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Oklahoma City Bombing 10-Year Anniversary; 'Paging Dr. Gupta'

Aired April 18, 2005 - 08:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. You're looking at a closed-circuit TV picture of David Onstott. He has, according to police, confessed to killing Sarah Lunde. David Onstott is 36 years old. He was charged with first-degree murder on Sunday, and he faces a court hearing today in the death of the little girl.
He, of course, according to police, has not mentioned anything about a motive yet. They're being very close-mouthed in your interview about what exactly was behind that.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, actually the sheriff almost backpedaled on what he was releasing. But essentially, he says he has confessed, and there are reports there was some kind of altercation, which ultimately led to him strangling the girl. But this will not come out today. This is a quick appearance. No plea has been entered today.

S. O'BRIEN: Once again a convicted sex offender, now back for his arraignment this morning.

Welcome back, everybody. It's just about half past the hour on this AMERICAN MORNING.

Miles O'Brien is helping us out this morning. In just a few moments, we're going to get to Bill Hemmer. He's in Oklahoma City. Ceremonies commemorating the 10-year anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. The city with a powerful message for the rest of the country. We'll take a look at that this morning.

M. O'BRIEN: Also on the program, a story of generosity pushed to the absolute limits. Sanjay Gupta introducing us to a woman preparing to give birth not once but five times, five times, you count 'em, to help a couple realize their dreams. Wow.

S. O'BRIEN: Wow. That is a very giving person. Get her story ahead.

First, though, the headlines with Carol Costello. Good morning again.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. And good morning to all of you.

Now in the news, as you just heard, David Onstott a convicted sexual predator, charged with killing 13-year-old Sarah Lunde, is in court right now. Onstott was being held on unrelated charges when he apparently confessed to the murder. The sheriff in the investigation says society has to make some serious decisions about how it deals with sex offenders.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF DAVID GEE, HILLSBOROUGH CO., FLA.: I think the system in general, you know, has failed us all. The system is overburdened, and I don't think it's any particular judge's fault or anything like that. I just think the system's overwhelmed, and as a society, we just have to decide what are we going to do with these people.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: It's not yet be known if Lunde was sexually assaulted. An autopsy is expected.

In Vatican City, the cardinals of the Catholic Church praying for spiritual guidance as they prepare to choose the next pope. The cardinals met earlier this morning for official mass in St. Peter's Basilica. In just about two hours, the cardinals will proceed to the Sistine Chapel. The door will then be sealed and the first ballots could be cast.

The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser back on the stand this morning after a heated debate on Friday. The defense began trying to portray her as greedy and manipulative. But she fought back, accusing Jackson's lawyer of trying to humiliate and bully her. Things got so heated, the judge threatened to shutdown the trial for the day. CNN's Ted Rowlands has more on what's expected today, coming up in the next hour.

And Amtrak getting Acela Express service back on track after discovering brake problems. The spokeswoman says at least one train is up and running, the 8:00 a.m. express train from New York to Washington. Hopefully it already took off. The train will then make the 2:00 p.m. run -- that's Eastern Time -- from Washington to Boston. So just one Acela now running. The others still not in service.

M. O'BRIEN: In the case of trains, you don't want them to take off, on the ground. They prefer them on the tracks, you know.

COSTELLO: True.

I think they'd prefer them any way at this moment.

M. O'BRIEN: Really, with only one out of 18 going, yes, any old Acela will do.

S. O'BRIEN: If it flies, we'll take it.

Thanks, Carol.

Let's get to a painful anniversary this morning. Ten years ago tomorrow a truck bomb ripped through the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. It killed 168 people.

Bill Hemmer is in Oklahoma City this morning for the official remembrance. Good morning, Bill.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Soledad, good morning to you. The bronze wall behind me marks the minute after the bomb ripped through Oklahoma City. 9:03 a.m. It was the first time America started to focus on terrorism on its own soil here in the U.S. Six years later, we had 9/11, but something significant changed that day in April here in Oklahoma City, and it changed for all of us living in this country.

Kelly Wallace has more on that this morning.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Michael Reyes was in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building that fateful day. So was his father, Antonio Tony Reyes. Both were working for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Only one of them made it out alive. Ten years later, Reyes says despite his grief, he's moved on with his life.

MICHAEL REYES, FATHER KILLED IN OKC BOMBING: I knew what my father would say. He would have said, with a lot of love, that I need to get over it and move on.

WALLACE: Moving on, but not far away. In fact, Reyes can see the Oklahoma City memorial from the new federal building which he moved into last year. The $42 million, highly-secure structure is setback far from the street and protected by barriers, just some of the changes after a truck bomb ripped the old building apart and claimed the lives of Reyes' father and 167 others.

REYES: I think it's one of the most safe buildings in the world. Again, I don't know, you know, if everyone can outguess the next terror threat, but I'd certainly take comfort knowing it's a very safe building.

WALLACE: John McCarthy studies security as director of the critical infrastructure protection program at George Mason School of Law. He calls Oklahoma City a water watershed event.

JOHN MCCARTHY, GEORGE MASON UNIV. SCHOOL OF LAW: Can't go into a building in Washington, D.C. now without checking I.D.s, without getting your -- going through a magnetic detectors.

WALLACE (on camera): Did all that start after Oklahoma city?

MCCARTHY: I think that was one of the immediate fallouts of Oklahoma City.

WALLACE (voice-over): Another fallout, the ultimate closing of Pennsylvania Avenue, banning traffic in front of the White House.

MCCARTHY: The way that this is structured and set up, in a buffer zone, where you're pushing out the border, you're moving the tactics of someone who potentially does it with a rifle or truck or car bomb, you want to push that away from the main target. WALLACE: After Oklahoma City, most federal buildings added concrete barriers, more police and security cameras. Law enforcement created task forces to prevent a another domestic terror attack, and Americans reacted to what, at that time, was the biggest act of terrorism on U.S. soil.

Cheryl Gidry Taeska spent 18 days in Oklahoma City helping victims immediately after the bombing.

CHERYL GIDRY TAESKA, NATL. ORG. FOR VICTIM ASSISTANCE: Oklahoma City was a wakeup call. People were made aware of things that they were not aware of before, but it did subside after a few years. And I think 9/11 took us by surprise, and it shouldn't have.

WALLACE: Michael Reyes concedes he was taken by surprise that September morning.

REYES: After the second plane hit, I thought, I'm not going into work today. It was -- that was really painful. It really was.

WALLACE: He says in some ways, September 11th affects him more than what happened here.

REYES: I think that that was a defining moment in the world, that said, OK, this is the kind of world we live in, and that's what we're going to have to live with.

WALLACE: He lives with it, without letting it keep him from living. Antonio Tony Reyes would have settled for nothing less.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HEMMER: Kelly Wallace reporting there for us.

Tomorrow, Vice President Dick Cheney will be here, and the former President Bill Clinton will be here as well, in what will certainly be a moving ceremony marking the 10-year mark since the destruction ripped through Oklahoma City -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Bill, thanks.

Tonight, Aaron Brown is going to host a "NEWSNIGHT" special, "DAY OF TERROR," on the eve of the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. That's tonight, 10:00 p.m. Eastern. And you want to join us tomorrow for full coverage of the 10th anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Bill's going to continue to report for us live from Oklahoma city.

(WEATHER REPORT)

S. O'BRIEN: Still to come this morning, one woman's extraordinary gift to a couple that desperately wanted a child. We are "Paging Dr. Gupta" about her gift of life times five.

M. O'BRIEN: That's right, five. And the train conductor who can own the train. As a matter of fact, has a big hunk of a railroad, but he still likes taking tickets, too. Why a multimillionaire won't give up the day job. There he is. He'll join us in just a moment on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

S. O'BRIEN: "Paging Dr. Gupta" this morning about an extra big bundle of joy, a surrogate mom who is carrying quintuplets. Sanjay's got the story of the expectant couple and a surrogate who got a lot more than she bargained for.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Luisa Gonzalez and her husband Enrique Moreno tried for nine years to have a baby. When their efforts failed, they sought out the services of a surrogate. They found Teresa Anderson.

Last September, doctors harvested eggs from Luisa, fertilized them with her husband's sperm and implanted five embryos into Teresa's uterus. She says they told her there was a one in three chance that one would take, but as she went through a series of ultrasounds, she was in for a shock.

TERESA ANDERSON, SURROGATE MOTHER: I understood there was a small chance one could take, so having five take is kind of extraordinary.

ENRIQUE MORENO, BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF QUINTS: We'll never know how these things happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were shocked, stunned. They had to take a seat and then they said thank you and I started crying at the time. I think we all did. It was very, very heartful moment.

GUPTA: Quintuplets are incredibly rare. In 2002, there were only 69 sets born, but higher order multiples are more common with in vitro fertilization and IBF has grown in popularity since the first successful case in 1981.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, by 2002, more than 45,000 births resulted from advanced reproductive technology such as IBF and fertility drugs. 548 of those were born to surrogate mothers.

Gonzalez and Moreno face the future with five new mouths to feed and massive medical bills. One of the babies is already showing signs of a heart condition. So Teresa says she decided to forego her promised $15,000 fee.

ANDERSON: Well, Luisa and I became friends and Enrique -- became friends over the course of the time, and considering the extreme circumstances, you know, we're not well off by any means, but we know how much it is to care for children. And having two of our own, we just thought that it could be something that we could help them out, because it's going to be so expensive for everything. It's five children to be responsible for and we know how big of an issue that is.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

S. O'BRIEN: Teresa's doctor says he expects to deliver those quintuplets in the next couple of weeks -- Miles.

M. O'BRIEN: We wish them well.

Walter O'Rourke says he earned $2 million last year from his business investments. Yet instead of retiring, he decided to continue what he loves best, collecting tickets on a suburban New Jersey train. So why did this millionaire choose to bump shoulders with commuters?

Joining us from the Newark Train Station is New Jersey transit conductor Walter O'Rourke. Mr. O'Rourke, good to have you with us.

WALTER O'ROURKE, MILLIONAIRE TRAIN CONDUCTOR: Good morning, Miles. How are you?

M. O'BRIEN: I am well. I'm understand your annual salary as a conductor is $52,000 bucks. I think, based on your investments, you earned that in about ten days. So it's not about the money, obviously. Why do you do it?

O'ROURKE: It's fun. It really is. It is for me. I started out in a family of railroaders and it sticks in your blood.

M. O'BRIEN: You like being on the rails. Can you describe what it is about it? Because I mean there are a lot of ways that you could meet people and have fun and go places, when you're earning $2 million a year.

O'ROURKE: Well, we've done that too. I've traveled extensively. I enjoy traveling and adding this is kind of an addition to the family history, as well. As I said, we come from a family of railroaders, you know, maybe a bit of a macho thing. Can I really match what my other relatives have done? And I went ahead and did this.

M. O'BRIEN: Well, you know, a lot of people would say you've matched and then exceeded a lot of what your relatives have done, because you're part of a group that owns a majority interest in a railroad, even.

O'ROURKE: Well, that's true. We bought into a railroad in West Virginia, the Durbin and Greenbrier Valley railroad over in Durbin, West Virginia. That's done very well over the years. It's now eight years.

M. O'BRIEN: Now, just to -- I just want to clear it up for viewers, though. You didn't earn all this money as a conductor over the years. You've had a myriad of businesses over the years, real estate, insurance, all kinds of business ventures. A lot of railroad activity. Is there...

O'ROURKE: Construction, real estate, yes.

M. O'BRIEN: What's the common thread? What is your secret to success?

O'ROURKE: Well, probably following the advice of Benjamin Franklin. You don't murder the breeding sow. What he meant by that was you don't have a ham sandwich, you let the sow make you more sows and keep breeding. And you let -- you lead a frugal life at the beginning. After a while, it builds up.

M. O'BRIEN: All right. But you could live very large right now, and you still have to get up early, I trust, to do your job. Have you thought about quitting? Have you had enough of it yet, or do you think you'll do it a while?

O'ROURKE: Oh, well, we're retiring from transit at the end of this month. I'll be going over to West Virginia. It will be a quieter life there, maybe.

M. O'BRIEN: What are you going to do?

O'ROURKE: We're restoring the 1929 car, Pullman Salarium (ph) observation car, the Murray Hill (ph). That was a car that used to run on the New Haven and Pennsylvania, from Boston through New York to D.C.

M. O'BRIEN: You know, I think Walter this morning, Amtrak might be able to use your help a little bit with the Acela trains, huh?

O'ROURKE: Well, they have a little problem with the brake rotors. That happens with metal occasionally, and when you heat them and cool them, they sometimes get these thermal cracks.

M. O'BRIEN: All right, Walter O'Rourke, the wealthiest conductor we know. And we wish you well in the next phase of your career, restoring Pullman cars and whatever else suits you. And whatever you do, follow your passion. I'm sure you will.

O'ROURKE: I thank you.

M. O'BRIEN: All right -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Let's take you to see some pictures of the Norwegian Dawn right there. Those pictures coming to us courtesy of the chopper from WABC-TV. It's steaming into New York Harbor. The ship needs some repairs after it hit a big storm over the weekend. Passengers reporting some 47-foot waves hitting as high as the 12th floor. The freak wave happened on early Saturday morning. Some folks are still on the deck, though. Some of the passengers opted to remain in South Carolina and then just come with the ship when it came to New York.

Coming up in just a couple months, a new crop of fresh-faced college grads will hit the market. What will their first paychecks be worth? Andy has got the numbers, up next on AMERICAN MORNING. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

S. O'BRIEN: Welcome back, everybody.

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Big bucks for kids graduating college in May, assuming they can find a job. It's a good time to be a CEO, too. I guess that's all of the time. With those stories and a look at the markets, Andy Serwer is minding your business.

ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: It's always good to be a CEO, as you said, right?

CAFFERTY: It's nice to be the king.

SERWER: It's nicer than ever. We'll get to that in a second.

Let's talk about the markets, first of all, which have really been hitting the skids lately. Here's the year-to-date numbers. And do you still own tech stocks? Well, then, you're in bad shape. You can see the Nasdaq's down over 12 percent. This morning, futures were looking lower, but now they're up a little bit, because 3M and Bank of America numbers have come out, looking good.

Let's talk about starting salaries. Actually if the CEOs don't notice the stock market tanking, maybe this trend will continue, because it looks like it's going to be a pretty good year for people getting out of school. Here is some starting salaries. These are the top jobs, or the job categories that pay the highest. Mixing chemicals up, you get paid a lot of money. You can see that there. Accounting, yes, the bean counters need them badly after all the scandals have been going on. At the dot bottom of the list, but still up a little bit, are business administration, marketing. Liberal arts, you only get paid 30 grand. You spend all that time in college reading poetry on the campus lawn, you're not going to get paid a lot of money.

Thank you, Miles.

And as far as pay goes for CEOs, Jack, yes indeed, they're getting paid more. This trend will never stop. CEOs just get paid more and more and more money. In fact, up 12.6 percent last year, according to one study. Total Comp coming in right under $10 million. And here's the rub, that doesn't include stock options, which is sort of like saying you're going on a trip and here what happens my total trip costs, I'm ignoring airfare. I mean, stock options a whole lot of the game.

CAFFERTY: Or in the case of a cruise ship, I'm going on a cruise and I'm ignoring the weather.

SERWER: Yes, what were they doing? Did they pay attention to the weather forecast?

CAFFERTY: 1010 WINS, traffic and weather on the 1, every 10 minutes they'll tell you there's a storm out there.

SERWER: Big wave out there. Don't take your boat out. Small- craft and large-craft warnings.

(CROSSTALK)

S. O'BRIEN: Some of the folks on board said they were playing the theme from the Titanic onboard.

M. O'BRIEN: That's always encouraging, isn't it?

S. O'BRIEN: Yes, all right. Enough of that. Let's get to the File.

CAFFERTY: "Time" magazine is out with the names of America's best and worst mayors. The very best mayors in America include ours, Mike Bloomberg, here in New York, Chicago's Richard Daily, Shirley Franklin of Atlanta, Martin O'Malley of Baltimore and John Hickenlooper of Denver. The worst mayors are Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit, John Street in Philadelphia and Dick Murphy out there in San Diego.

That's all I'm going to do with that. Go to the hair balls.

A growing number of lobsters and crabs in Maine have hair balls.

SERWER: How?

CAFFERTY: Seems some lobster fishermen are using cowhide as bait in the lobster traps. It's cheaper by 100 bucks a bucket than the artificial bait, and if the hair is not removed from the cowhide, then the lobsters get hair balls, and there's nothing worse than going into a pricey restaurant with a tankful of live lobsters and seeing one of them coughing up a hair ball. I mean, it's just awful.

Maine lobsters are a $750 million-a-year business. The legislature has passed a law to protect the lobsters from the furry bait by requiring animal hide and hair to be removed.

My favorite story of the morning is this, Boulette (ph). She's 53. She has not lost the spring in her step. She is the oldest hippopotamus in Europe. Last week, zoo officials in Berlin put her on birth control. They observed Boulette and her long-term partner, Eddie, doing what hippos do in springtime and they got concerned. You see, she's already given birth to 20 calves, and zoo officials figure that's enough. Anymore could be dangerous. They also said that they were amazed she'd shown any interest in sex at her age. Wait until she finds out she can't get pregnant.

S. O'BRIEN: I'll ignore that.

SERWER: They're metaphors. They're places to go.

M. O'BRIEN: Places to go that we won't travel this morning.

SERWER: Fifty-three and still going strong.

S. O'BRIEN: The road less traveled, that's what we're going to take today. M. O'BRIEN: They're all dead ends.

S. O'BRIEN: Coming up in the next hour, we're going to meet a little boy who got to meet his biggest hero under pretty incredible circumstances. An 8-year-old who is lucky to be alive, thanks to Yankees star Alex Rodriguez. We're going to talk to the little boy, ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

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Aired April 18, 2005 - 08:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. You're looking at a closed-circuit TV picture of David Onstott. He has, according to police, confessed to killing Sarah Lunde. David Onstott is 36 years old. He was charged with first-degree murder on Sunday, and he faces a court hearing today in the death of the little girl.
He, of course, according to police, has not mentioned anything about a motive yet. They're being very close-mouthed in your interview about what exactly was behind that.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, actually the sheriff almost backpedaled on what he was releasing. But essentially, he says he has confessed, and there are reports there was some kind of altercation, which ultimately led to him strangling the girl. But this will not come out today. This is a quick appearance. No plea has been entered today.

S. O'BRIEN: Once again a convicted sex offender, now back for his arraignment this morning.

Welcome back, everybody. It's just about half past the hour on this AMERICAN MORNING.

Miles O'Brien is helping us out this morning. In just a few moments, we're going to get to Bill Hemmer. He's in Oklahoma City. Ceremonies commemorating the 10-year anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. The city with a powerful message for the rest of the country. We'll take a look at that this morning.

M. O'BRIEN: Also on the program, a story of generosity pushed to the absolute limits. Sanjay Gupta introducing us to a woman preparing to give birth not once but five times, five times, you count 'em, to help a couple realize their dreams. Wow.

S. O'BRIEN: Wow. That is a very giving person. Get her story ahead.

First, though, the headlines with Carol Costello. Good morning again.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. And good morning to all of you.

Now in the news, as you just heard, David Onstott a convicted sexual predator, charged with killing 13-year-old Sarah Lunde, is in court right now. Onstott was being held on unrelated charges when he apparently confessed to the murder. The sheriff in the investigation says society has to make some serious decisions about how it deals with sex offenders.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF DAVID GEE, HILLSBOROUGH CO., FLA.: I think the system in general, you know, has failed us all. The system is overburdened, and I don't think it's any particular judge's fault or anything like that. I just think the system's overwhelmed, and as a society, we just have to decide what are we going to do with these people.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: It's not yet be known if Lunde was sexually assaulted. An autopsy is expected.

In Vatican City, the cardinals of the Catholic Church praying for spiritual guidance as they prepare to choose the next pope. The cardinals met earlier this morning for official mass in St. Peter's Basilica. In just about two hours, the cardinals will proceed to the Sistine Chapel. The door will then be sealed and the first ballots could be cast.

The mother of Michael Jackson's accuser back on the stand this morning after a heated debate on Friday. The defense began trying to portray her as greedy and manipulative. But she fought back, accusing Jackson's lawyer of trying to humiliate and bully her. Things got so heated, the judge threatened to shutdown the trial for the day. CNN's Ted Rowlands has more on what's expected today, coming up in the next hour.

And Amtrak getting Acela Express service back on track after discovering brake problems. The spokeswoman says at least one train is up and running, the 8:00 a.m. express train from New York to Washington. Hopefully it already took off. The train will then make the 2:00 p.m. run -- that's Eastern Time -- from Washington to Boston. So just one Acela now running. The others still not in service.

M. O'BRIEN: In the case of trains, you don't want them to take off, on the ground. They prefer them on the tracks, you know.

COSTELLO: True.

I think they'd prefer them any way at this moment.

M. O'BRIEN: Really, with only one out of 18 going, yes, any old Acela will do.

S. O'BRIEN: If it flies, we'll take it.

Thanks, Carol.

Let's get to a painful anniversary this morning. Ten years ago tomorrow a truck bomb ripped through the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. It killed 168 people.

Bill Hemmer is in Oklahoma City this morning for the official remembrance. Good morning, Bill.

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Soledad, good morning to you. The bronze wall behind me marks the minute after the bomb ripped through Oklahoma City. 9:03 a.m. It was the first time America started to focus on terrorism on its own soil here in the U.S. Six years later, we had 9/11, but something significant changed that day in April here in Oklahoma City, and it changed for all of us living in this country.

Kelly Wallace has more on that this morning.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Michael Reyes was in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building that fateful day. So was his father, Antonio Tony Reyes. Both were working for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Only one of them made it out alive. Ten years later, Reyes says despite his grief, he's moved on with his life.

MICHAEL REYES, FATHER KILLED IN OKC BOMBING: I knew what my father would say. He would have said, with a lot of love, that I need to get over it and move on.

WALLACE: Moving on, but not far away. In fact, Reyes can see the Oklahoma City memorial from the new federal building which he moved into last year. The $42 million, highly-secure structure is setback far from the street and protected by barriers, just some of the changes after a truck bomb ripped the old building apart and claimed the lives of Reyes' father and 167 others.

REYES: I think it's one of the most safe buildings in the world. Again, I don't know, you know, if everyone can outguess the next terror threat, but I'd certainly take comfort knowing it's a very safe building.

WALLACE: John McCarthy studies security as director of the critical infrastructure protection program at George Mason School of Law. He calls Oklahoma City a water watershed event.

JOHN MCCARTHY, GEORGE MASON UNIV. SCHOOL OF LAW: Can't go into a building in Washington, D.C. now without checking I.D.s, without getting your -- going through a magnetic detectors.

WALLACE (on camera): Did all that start after Oklahoma city?

MCCARTHY: I think that was one of the immediate fallouts of Oklahoma City.

WALLACE (voice-over): Another fallout, the ultimate closing of Pennsylvania Avenue, banning traffic in front of the White House.

MCCARTHY: The way that this is structured and set up, in a buffer zone, where you're pushing out the border, you're moving the tactics of someone who potentially does it with a rifle or truck or car bomb, you want to push that away from the main target. WALLACE: After Oklahoma City, most federal buildings added concrete barriers, more police and security cameras. Law enforcement created task forces to prevent a another domestic terror attack, and Americans reacted to what, at that time, was the biggest act of terrorism on U.S. soil.

Cheryl Gidry Taeska spent 18 days in Oklahoma City helping victims immediately after the bombing.

CHERYL GIDRY TAESKA, NATL. ORG. FOR VICTIM ASSISTANCE: Oklahoma City was a wakeup call. People were made aware of things that they were not aware of before, but it did subside after a few years. And I think 9/11 took us by surprise, and it shouldn't have.

WALLACE: Michael Reyes concedes he was taken by surprise that September morning.

REYES: After the second plane hit, I thought, I'm not going into work today. It was -- that was really painful. It really was.

WALLACE: He says in some ways, September 11th affects him more than what happened here.

REYES: I think that that was a defining moment in the world, that said, OK, this is the kind of world we live in, and that's what we're going to have to live with.

WALLACE: He lives with it, without letting it keep him from living. Antonio Tony Reyes would have settled for nothing less.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HEMMER: Kelly Wallace reporting there for us.

Tomorrow, Vice President Dick Cheney will be here, and the former President Bill Clinton will be here as well, in what will certainly be a moving ceremony marking the 10-year mark since the destruction ripped through Oklahoma City -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Bill, thanks.

Tonight, Aaron Brown is going to host a "NEWSNIGHT" special, "DAY OF TERROR," on the eve of the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. That's tonight, 10:00 p.m. Eastern. And you want to join us tomorrow for full coverage of the 10th anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Bill's going to continue to report for us live from Oklahoma city.

(WEATHER REPORT)

S. O'BRIEN: Still to come this morning, one woman's extraordinary gift to a couple that desperately wanted a child. We are "Paging Dr. Gupta" about her gift of life times five.

M. O'BRIEN: That's right, five. And the train conductor who can own the train. As a matter of fact, has a big hunk of a railroad, but he still likes taking tickets, too. Why a multimillionaire won't give up the day job. There he is. He'll join us in just a moment on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

S. O'BRIEN: "Paging Dr. Gupta" this morning about an extra big bundle of joy, a surrogate mom who is carrying quintuplets. Sanjay's got the story of the expectant couple and a surrogate who got a lot more than she bargained for.

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SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Luisa Gonzalez and her husband Enrique Moreno tried for nine years to have a baby. When their efforts failed, they sought out the services of a surrogate. They found Teresa Anderson.

Last September, doctors harvested eggs from Luisa, fertilized them with her husband's sperm and implanted five embryos into Teresa's uterus. She says they told her there was a one in three chance that one would take, but as she went through a series of ultrasounds, she was in for a shock.

TERESA ANDERSON, SURROGATE MOTHER: I understood there was a small chance one could take, so having five take is kind of extraordinary.

ENRIQUE MORENO, BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF QUINTS: We'll never know how these things happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were shocked, stunned. They had to take a seat and then they said thank you and I started crying at the time. I think we all did. It was very, very heartful moment.

GUPTA: Quintuplets are incredibly rare. In 2002, there were only 69 sets born, but higher order multiples are more common with in vitro fertilization and IBF has grown in popularity since the first successful case in 1981.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, by 2002, more than 45,000 births resulted from advanced reproductive technology such as IBF and fertility drugs. 548 of those were born to surrogate mothers.

Gonzalez and Moreno face the future with five new mouths to feed and massive medical bills. One of the babies is already showing signs of a heart condition. So Teresa says she decided to forego her promised $15,000 fee.

ANDERSON: Well, Luisa and I became friends and Enrique -- became friends over the course of the time, and considering the extreme circumstances, you know, we're not well off by any means, but we know how much it is to care for children. And having two of our own, we just thought that it could be something that we could help them out, because it's going to be so expensive for everything. It's five children to be responsible for and we know how big of an issue that is.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Atlanta.

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S. O'BRIEN: Teresa's doctor says he expects to deliver those quintuplets in the next couple of weeks -- Miles.

M. O'BRIEN: We wish them well.

Walter O'Rourke says he earned $2 million last year from his business investments. Yet instead of retiring, he decided to continue what he loves best, collecting tickets on a suburban New Jersey train. So why did this millionaire choose to bump shoulders with commuters?

Joining us from the Newark Train Station is New Jersey transit conductor Walter O'Rourke. Mr. O'Rourke, good to have you with us.

WALTER O'ROURKE, MILLIONAIRE TRAIN CONDUCTOR: Good morning, Miles. How are you?

M. O'BRIEN: I am well. I'm understand your annual salary as a conductor is $52,000 bucks. I think, based on your investments, you earned that in about ten days. So it's not about the money, obviously. Why do you do it?

O'ROURKE: It's fun. It really is. It is for me. I started out in a family of railroaders and it sticks in your blood.

M. O'BRIEN: You like being on the rails. Can you describe what it is about it? Because I mean there are a lot of ways that you could meet people and have fun and go places, when you're earning $2 million a year.

O'ROURKE: Well, we've done that too. I've traveled extensively. I enjoy traveling and adding this is kind of an addition to the family history, as well. As I said, we come from a family of railroaders, you know, maybe a bit of a macho thing. Can I really match what my other relatives have done? And I went ahead and did this.

M. O'BRIEN: Well, you know, a lot of people would say you've matched and then exceeded a lot of what your relatives have done, because you're part of a group that owns a majority interest in a railroad, even.

O'ROURKE: Well, that's true. We bought into a railroad in West Virginia, the Durbin and Greenbrier Valley railroad over in Durbin, West Virginia. That's done very well over the years. It's now eight years.

M. O'BRIEN: Now, just to -- I just want to clear it up for viewers, though. You didn't earn all this money as a conductor over the years. You've had a myriad of businesses over the years, real estate, insurance, all kinds of business ventures. A lot of railroad activity. Is there...

O'ROURKE: Construction, real estate, yes.

M. O'BRIEN: What's the common thread? What is your secret to success?

O'ROURKE: Well, probably following the advice of Benjamin Franklin. You don't murder the breeding sow. What he meant by that was you don't have a ham sandwich, you let the sow make you more sows and keep breeding. And you let -- you lead a frugal life at the beginning. After a while, it builds up.

M. O'BRIEN: All right. But you could live very large right now, and you still have to get up early, I trust, to do your job. Have you thought about quitting? Have you had enough of it yet, or do you think you'll do it a while?

O'ROURKE: Oh, well, we're retiring from transit at the end of this month. I'll be going over to West Virginia. It will be a quieter life there, maybe.

M. O'BRIEN: What are you going to do?

O'ROURKE: We're restoring the 1929 car, Pullman Salarium (ph) observation car, the Murray Hill (ph). That was a car that used to run on the New Haven and Pennsylvania, from Boston through New York to D.C.

M. O'BRIEN: You know, I think Walter this morning, Amtrak might be able to use your help a little bit with the Acela trains, huh?

O'ROURKE: Well, they have a little problem with the brake rotors. That happens with metal occasionally, and when you heat them and cool them, they sometimes get these thermal cracks.

M. O'BRIEN: All right, Walter O'Rourke, the wealthiest conductor we know. And we wish you well in the next phase of your career, restoring Pullman cars and whatever else suits you. And whatever you do, follow your passion. I'm sure you will.

O'ROURKE: I thank you.

M. O'BRIEN: All right -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Let's take you to see some pictures of the Norwegian Dawn right there. Those pictures coming to us courtesy of the chopper from WABC-TV. It's steaming into New York Harbor. The ship needs some repairs after it hit a big storm over the weekend. Passengers reporting some 47-foot waves hitting as high as the 12th floor. The freak wave happened on early Saturday morning. Some folks are still on the deck, though. Some of the passengers opted to remain in South Carolina and then just come with the ship when it came to New York.

Coming up in just a couple months, a new crop of fresh-faced college grads will hit the market. What will their first paychecks be worth? Andy has got the numbers, up next on AMERICAN MORNING. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

S. O'BRIEN: Welcome back, everybody.

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Big bucks for kids graduating college in May, assuming they can find a job. It's a good time to be a CEO, too. I guess that's all of the time. With those stories and a look at the markets, Andy Serwer is minding your business.

ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: It's always good to be a CEO, as you said, right?

CAFFERTY: It's nice to be the king.

SERWER: It's nicer than ever. We'll get to that in a second.

Let's talk about the markets, first of all, which have really been hitting the skids lately. Here's the year-to-date numbers. And do you still own tech stocks? Well, then, you're in bad shape. You can see the Nasdaq's down over 12 percent. This morning, futures were looking lower, but now they're up a little bit, because 3M and Bank of America numbers have come out, looking good.

Let's talk about starting salaries. Actually if the CEOs don't notice the stock market tanking, maybe this trend will continue, because it looks like it's going to be a pretty good year for people getting out of school. Here is some starting salaries. These are the top jobs, or the job categories that pay the highest. Mixing chemicals up, you get paid a lot of money. You can see that there. Accounting, yes, the bean counters need them badly after all the scandals have been going on. At the dot bottom of the list, but still up a little bit, are business administration, marketing. Liberal arts, you only get paid 30 grand. You spend all that time in college reading poetry on the campus lawn, you're not going to get paid a lot of money.

Thank you, Miles.

And as far as pay goes for CEOs, Jack, yes indeed, they're getting paid more. This trend will never stop. CEOs just get paid more and more and more money. In fact, up 12.6 percent last year, according to one study. Total Comp coming in right under $10 million. And here's the rub, that doesn't include stock options, which is sort of like saying you're going on a trip and here what happens my total trip costs, I'm ignoring airfare. I mean, stock options a whole lot of the game.

CAFFERTY: Or in the case of a cruise ship, I'm going on a cruise and I'm ignoring the weather.

SERWER: Yes, what were they doing? Did they pay attention to the weather forecast?

CAFFERTY: 1010 WINS, traffic and weather on the 1, every 10 minutes they'll tell you there's a storm out there.

SERWER: Big wave out there. Don't take your boat out. Small- craft and large-craft warnings.

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S. O'BRIEN: Some of the folks on board said they were playing the theme from the Titanic onboard.

M. O'BRIEN: That's always encouraging, isn't it?

S. O'BRIEN: Yes, all right. Enough of that. Let's get to the File.

CAFFERTY: "Time" magazine is out with the names of America's best and worst mayors. The very best mayors in America include ours, Mike Bloomberg, here in New York, Chicago's Richard Daily, Shirley Franklin of Atlanta, Martin O'Malley of Baltimore and John Hickenlooper of Denver. The worst mayors are Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit, John Street in Philadelphia and Dick Murphy out there in San Diego.

That's all I'm going to do with that. Go to the hair balls.

A growing number of lobsters and crabs in Maine have hair balls.

SERWER: How?

CAFFERTY: Seems some lobster fishermen are using cowhide as bait in the lobster traps. It's cheaper by 100 bucks a bucket than the artificial bait, and if the hair is not removed from the cowhide, then the lobsters get hair balls, and there's nothing worse than going into a pricey restaurant with a tankful of live lobsters and seeing one of them coughing up a hair ball. I mean, it's just awful.

Maine lobsters are a $750 million-a-year business. The legislature has passed a law to protect the lobsters from the furry bait by requiring animal hide and hair to be removed.

My favorite story of the morning is this, Boulette (ph). She's 53. She has not lost the spring in her step. She is the oldest hippopotamus in Europe. Last week, zoo officials in Berlin put her on birth control. They observed Boulette and her long-term partner, Eddie, doing what hippos do in springtime and they got concerned. You see, she's already given birth to 20 calves, and zoo officials figure that's enough. Anymore could be dangerous. They also said that they were amazed she'd shown any interest in sex at her age. Wait until she finds out she can't get pregnant.

S. O'BRIEN: I'll ignore that.

SERWER: They're metaphors. They're places to go.

M. O'BRIEN: Places to go that we won't travel this morning.

SERWER: Fifty-three and still going strong.

S. O'BRIEN: The road less traveled, that's what we're going to take today. M. O'BRIEN: They're all dead ends.

S. O'BRIEN: Coming up in the next hour, we're going to meet a little boy who got to meet his biggest hero under pretty incredible circumstances. An 8-year-old who is lucky to be alive, thanks to Yankees star Alex Rodriguez. We're going to talk to the little boy, ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

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