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Could We Really See a New Pope as Early as Today?; American Aid Worker Killed by Roadside Car Bomb in Baghdad
Aired April 18, 2005 - 09:30 ET
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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: It's just about half past the hour this Monday morning. Bill Hemmer is covering the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing this morning.
Miles O'Brien helping us out from here, though. Thanks, Appreciate it.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Good to be here. Thank you.
S. O'BRIEN: Coming up this morning, could we really see a new pope as early as today? The conclave to elect the next pope starts in just about an hour. We're going to talk this morning to John Allen. He wrote the book on the conclave, to tell us what we can expect today.
M. O'BRIEN: Also a boy from the heart of Red Sox country who is going to have to be a Yankee fan for the rest of his life. He already was, but he really will be now. He was just seconds from being hit by a truck last week, when A-Rod, of all people, scooped him up and saved his life. We'll hear his story and what he thinks of A-Rod now, Golden Glove at least, I would think.
S. O'BRIEN: He loved him before. He loves him even more right now. That's a cute story.
Let's get the headlines first, though. Carol Costello this morning, hello.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and good morning everyone.
Now in the news, convicted sex offender David Onstott is facing a first-degree murder charge for the killing of a Florida teenager. Onstott arriving in court a short time ago. He did not enter a plea, and a judge ordered him held without bond. Sarah Lunde's partially clothed body was found Saturday in a pond near her home.
A Texas businessman indicted in the Oil-for-Food scandal appeared in court this morning. David Chalmers being arraigned, along with an associate, they are accused of paying millions of dollars in secret kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's regime.
A Norwegian cruise ship rocked by a freak wave on the high seas is making its way toward New York now. The Norwegian Dawn docked in South Carolina after an extremely bumpy ride. At least four people were injured. One of the passengers said it felt like being on the Titanic. And a new crew arriving at the International Space Station. A Soyuz spacecraft carrying an American, a Russian and an Italian docked at the space station over the weekend. The old crew is set to return to Earth next week. We await their return.
M. O'BRIEN: Big doings in space. You know the shuttle will be flying next month, and one of their big jobs for that crew will be take very copious, detailed pictures of the shuttle as it approaches the space station to ensure that its heat shield is intact. So that's one of their big jobs.
Anyway, the crew is having a news conference now. If anything comes out of that, we'll let you know later about that as well.
S. O'BRIEN: Thank you, Carol. Thank you, Miles, for that.
Well, in just about an hour, a Roman Catholic cardinal is going to begin the process of choosing a new pope. All the voting cardinals celebrated mass together at the Vatican this morning. It is the first in a series of precise rituals that they will follow until their work is done.
CNN Vatican analyst John Allen live for us this morning.
Nice to see you, John, again. Thank you. Appreciate it.
What's going to happen exactly today? What goes through what the process and the ritual really is?
JOHN ALLEN, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: Sure. Well, right now, the cardinals are probably taking a little nap. We presume the lunch is finished up in the (INAUDIBLE).
4:30 they will gather in the Apostolic Palace. That's of course the large building where the pope has his apartments. They will meet in a hallway call the Hall of Blessings, and at that stage, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the dean of the college, will lead them in prayer. Then they will begin a ceremonial procession down that hallway through a room called the Solorage (ph). This is a room in which the pope holds his annual meeting with the diplomatic corps here at the Vatican, and then they will enter the Sistine Chapel.
As they do that, will be intoning the litany of saints, saints both east and west, symbolizing the universality of the church. Then they will enter the Sistine Chapel. Cardinal Ratzinger will then sing the (INAUDIBLE), or "Come Creator Spirit," of course referring to the belief that Catholics hold that the election of the pope is inspired by the holy spirit.
Then they will swear an oath, first collectively, and then individually, to observe secrecy of the conclave, and that whoever is elected will defend the temporal and spiritual interests of the Vatican and the holy seat.
And then, at that stage, the master of ceremonies, Archbishop Gera Marina (ph), will utter those two fateful words, extra ulnes (ph), which means, in effect, everybody out, and everyone who is a non-cardinal, save two people, will leave. Marina himself will remain in. An over-80 cardinal, an 85-year-old by the named of Thomas Shpidlic (ph) from the Czech Republic will stay, because he's going to give them a final meditation. After that, Cardinal Shpidlic and Marina themselves will exit, the door will be locked, and then the cardinals have the option either of discussing any other questions about the rules, procedure, if anyone has them. If not, they can move directly to a first ballot. And if that happens, Soledad, we would expect somewhere around 8:00 p.m. local time, we would be seeing the first burst of smoke.
Now, it would be extremely unlikely that that smoke would be white, signifying a new pope. Usually in the first ballot we get black smoke. Then tomorrow, two ballots in the morning, two ballots in the afternoon, until we have a pope.
S. O'BRIEN: So if not today, when do you think it could happen? What do you think say realistic time line for the election of a new pope?
ALLEN: Well, you know, Soledad, the longest conclave in history was two years and nine months, but I don't think anyone expects something quite that long this time around. Most cardinals say that they would like to have a conclave that was not too short, that is if they did it in a half day or a day it would look like they had sort of rushed to judgment. If it went on more than four or five days, it would look like they were divided, and of course they don't want that to be the case; they want the new pope to be elected by consensus. So I think most of us are expecting a conclave that would be somewhere in the neighborhood of three, four, or maybe at the outside, five days.
S. O'BRIEN: We will see. John Allen for us this morning, thanks a lot, John -- Miles.
M. O'BRIEN: Family and friends say Marla Ruzicka was a courageous activist with a tremendous open heart. The 28-year-old American aid worker was killed by a roadside car bomb in Baghdad Saturday.
Thelma Gutierrez with more.
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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Marla Ruzicka grew up in this home north of San Francisco, on the water in Lakeport, California. It was an idyllic life, far from the misery she witnessed, far from the war-ravaged countries.
CLIFFORD RUZICKA, MARLA'S FATHER: She had been to a lot of places that had had troubling events going on.
GUTIERREZ: The last place was Baghdad, where Marla worked to help civilian victims of the war.
NANCY RUZICKA, MARLA'S MOTHER: Before Iraq, she went to Afghanistan, and for Global Exchange, and I think that she decided she needed to stay in that part of the country to maybe make a difference, and she went into Iraq the day Saddam's statue fell.
GUTIERREZ: Clifford and Nancy Ruzicka are Marla's parents, in mourning, over the girl, they say, was a born activist.
N. RUZICKA: Well, she came into the world kicking and screaming.
GUTIERREZ: As Marla grew up, her parents said she was the kind of kid who stood up for others and worried for those with less.
N. RUZICKA: We're so fortunate in the United States to have so much, and she always wanted to share that.
C. RUZICKA: She had a lot of zeal and a lot of purpose in her life, and it was early on, we recognized that, you know, she was going to do the humanitarian-types of work.
GUTIERREZ: Marla had gone to school in Cuba, Jerusalem, Zimbabwe and Costa Rica. In 2003, she found the nonprofit organization CIVIC, to bring attention to civilian casualties of war.
C. RUZICKA: She's taught the government and the military how to pay attention to the collateral damage they do to countries and to all of the civilians that they harm, and then they've learned that, you know, you need to take care of that issue, as well as win the battles.
GUTIERREZ: The Ruzickas worried about their daughter all the time. They talked or e-mailed almost daily.
C. RUZICKA: My parting words were, Marla, be careful, and Marla's words were "Daddy, I am being careful."
GUTIERREZ: Twenty-eight-year-old Marla Ruzicka died Saturday in a car bombing near the Baghdad Airport.
N. RUZICKA: We heard from her the night before. We didn't get to the phone fast enough, and she left a message, "Mom and dad, I love you. I'm safe."
GUTIERREZ: Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Los Angeles.
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M. O'BRIEN: Funeral service for Marla Ruzicka will be held Saturday in Lakeport, California -- Soledad.
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S. O'BRIEN: Just ahead this morning, Andy is "Minding Your Business." He's got word of a developing story involving Martha Stewart. She's apparently ready to make a huge announcement.
M. O'BRIEN: And it may have been A-Rod's greatest catch. No, I think question say it is his greatest catch. We'll talk to the boy whose life was saved by one of baseball's superstars. Stay with us for more AMERICAN MORNING.
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M. O'BRIEN: Here's one of the most popular stories running on cnn.com right now. New York Yankees' owner George Steinbrenner fuming over his team's performance, or really lack thereof lately. The Yankees are four and eight, last place, a tie, in the American League East. Steinbrenner said the highest paid team in baseball, $200 million worth, ain't playin' like true Yankees.
Now, what one of the great baseball rivalries was renewed in Boston last week. One young Yankee fan had the run-in of his life -- well near run-in, let's say. 8-year-old Patrick McCarthy owes Alex Rodriguez, A-Rod we'll call him, not only his inspiration, but really his life, as well. As he was about to step into his car, A-Rod saw Patrick walking on a busy street. A truck was coming barreling right toward him. Without skipping a beat, the Yankee slugger swept the boy out of harm's way.
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ALEX RODRIQUEZ, NEW YORK YANKEES: Right place, right time, I guess. For him.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did you see the car coming the entire time?
RODRIGUEZ: Well, I was getting away from the car and I was getting away from it. He was coming into the car. So it was one of those incidents that I put my arm in front of him and the car almost ran us both over.
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M. O'BRIEN: All right. And joining us now, great pleasure to have them here, Patrick McCarthy, his father Joe, in full Yankee regalia. We'll excuse that for a moment. Because they are from the Vineyard -- they're from Martha's Vineyard, they really should be Red Sox fans, I guess.
But, Patrick, tell us about this moment. First of all, you obviously didn't see the truck coming?
PATRICK MCCARTHY, 8-YEAR-OLD SAVED BY A-ROD: No, because there was a van parked in my way.
M. O'BRIEN: Right, and you were walking out and kind of in your blindspot. And just remember, what -- did you realize who it was right away or did you just get scooped up and look up and say holy cow?
P. MCCARTHY: I -- the second thing, I just looked up and I was amazed that it was A-Rod.
M. O'BRIEN: And you knew right away. It wasn't like any doubt in your mind?
P. MCCARTHY: Yes. M. O'BRIEN: And so what did you think, you were dreaming or gone to heaven or something?
P. MCCARTHY: Kind of, yes. I just looked up and I saw Alex Rodriguez. And I said, my name's Patrick McCarthy and I'm going to pitch for the Yankees some day.
M. O'BRIEN: And what did he say to that?
P. MCCARTHY: He just asked me if I was OK and I was like yes, and then people started to notice him, so he started walking away, and then people started to ask him for autographs.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes, because he probably didn't want to get mobbed in all that. Did you know how close you came to getting hurt?
P. MCCARTHY: Yes.
M. O'BRIEN: So you were a little scared, right?
P. MCCARTHY: Very scared.
M. O'BRIEN: Now, Dad, you weren't there?
JOE MCCARTHY, PATRICK'S FATHER: No, I was...
M. O'BRIEN: Mom was there.
J. MCCARTHY: Mom was there.
M. O'BRIEN: So you didn't have to witness this whole thing. I had a similar incident with my son when he was 7 years old. Somebody scooped him out of the path of a car. We have never gotten over it. It is a scary thing. But to add this whole other element of having A- Rod involved has made quite a story, hasn't it?
J. MCCARTHY: St. Alex, as we like to call him these days. And I'm certain any good samaritan, any decent human being, would have done the same, but it just turned out that this superstar athlete chose to protect a child and save a child.
M. O'BRIEN: Well, it's something we all would do. It's a human thing to do, but it just, the fact that he happens to be one of your heroes, Patrick. So this wasn't the end of the story, right? He went off, because as you say, he was getting mobbed. Ultimately, you got to see him again, didn't you? Tell us about that.
P. MCCARTHY: Actually, I didn't get to see him again, but I saw other players. I saw Tino Martinez, Jorge Posada and Randy Johnson.
M. O'BRIEN: Well, that's not so bad, is it?
P. MCCARTHY: Right.
M. O'BRIEN: Was that quite a thrill for you?
P. MCCARTHY: Yes, it was, because Randy Johnson's my favorite pitcher, and I really like all of the other players that I saw.
M. O'BRIEN: Now, you're going to the game tonight? Is that right?
J. MCCARTHY: We're going tonight again.
M. O'BRIEN: You think you might get a chance to see some more of the players? Are you sort of in the clubhouse now?
P. MCCARTHY: Yes, well, when I go there, the Yankees are going to have a long winning streak.
M. O'BRIEN: Oh, really? Tell me about this.
P. MCCARTHY: Well, I think when I get there, the Yankees are going to win lots and lots of games.
M. O'BRIEN: All right, Patrick, you got to tell me, what's going on with the Yankees this year? All that money, I mean, A-Rod?
P. MCCARTHY: They're not doing too good.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes, why?
P. MCCARTHY: I don't know why not.
M. O'BRIEN: I mean, you were the highlight of the season. You know that, right?
P. MCCARTHY: Um-hum.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes. What's it been like, this whole media flurry since, Joe? Has it been a little much, too much attention, or have you been enjoying it in a way?
J. MCCARTHY: Well, first and foremost, thank God he wasn't injured and thank you again to Alex Rodriguez. But, it's amazing how many Yankee fans and how many people really love Alex Rodriguez. The phone's been ringing off the hook with just questions about the good nature of this superstar athlete, saving this young boy's life.
M. O'BRIEN: Boy, all right.
J. MCCARTHY: We're just glad it wasn't Bill Buckner who was there.
M. O'BRIEN: Oh, man, you set us up for that one! All right, gents, just remember, they're four and eight. They're four and eight.
J. MCCARTHY: Patrick's in the house tonight. The winning streak begins tonight.
M. O'BRIEN: The winning streak begins. We'll call it the Patrick McCarthy winning streak. You know, if they win tonight, you might have to go to the whole season. Who knows? You might be with them. All right, well, listen. Congratulations to you. We're glad you're with us and safe and sound. And we're glad it all came out the way it did. Patrick and Joe McCarthy.
J. MCCARTHY: Thank you so much. Thanks for having us.
M. O'BRIEN: Enjoy the game, enjoy the season.
J. MCCARTHY: Go Yankees!
M. O'BRIEN: Soledad.
S. O'BRIEN: Ahead this morning, business news. There's word of a big announcement from Martha Stewart. Andy's got the lowdown on the domestic diva. He is "Minding Your Business," up next on AMERICAN MORNING.
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S. O'BRIEN: We've got this news just in to CNN. You're looking at the aftermath of a collision between a school bus and what they're describing as a dump truck. A number of children were inside the school bus, Arlington County school bus, that collided with a truck this morning. The local news channel there, News Channel 8, reporting that several children have already been sent to the hospital, and there were reports that someone, they may have been trying to rescue somebody who was pinned inside the dump truck.
Let's give you some of the numbers we're getting this morning, 17 people injured, at least three of them are reported in critical condition. Three men have medevac choppers on the scene, this happened 8:45 Eastern Time, and this, again, happening in Arlington County in Arlington, Virginia this morning. We're going to continue to look into this story, update you on any changes as we get them.
Let's get some business news first, tired of ATM fees? Some banks are easing the pain, and we've got more news from Martha.
With those stories and a check on Wall Street, Andy Serwer is "Minding Your Business" this morning.
Good morning.
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Good morning, Soledad.
Let's start with the stock market. Unfortunately the sell-off continues on Wall Street. Let's check out the big board, down 18, not so bad, 3M leading to the downslide this morning. Martha Stewart up a bit, though.
Ever notice how all news stories seem to converge? Well, this is one instance where that seems to be happening. Martha Stewart, Sirius Satellite Radio, it was inevitable, they're getting together. There's going to be a press conference this morning in New York, and Martha gets her own Sirius Satellite radio show apparently. We don't know the details. I'm sure we'll be hearing about them ad nauseaum.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Isn't that where Howard Stern is going to work? (CROSSTALK)
SERWER: Yes, that could be sweet, cooking with Howard, drapes with Howard.
CAFFERTY: Plant this, with Howard and Martha.
SERWER: Beautiful. I'm all for that one, Jack.
Let's talk a little bit about bank fees, then, shall we? How about that? You know, I paid $2.50 the other day at an ATM. Yes, you get charged on both sides. But now a couple of banks are cutting these fees all together, (INAUDIBLE) transactions. PNC and Commerce Bank, we're going to name them -- PNC and Commerce Bank. We're going to start a new trend here. With the stock market doing so badly, any companies that are cutting fees, lowering fees, lowering prices, hiring workers, we're happy to discuss that on air. So send them in to our news desk.
S. O'BRIEN: I like that.
All right, Andy, thank you very much.
SERWER: You're welcome.
M. O'BRIEN: All right, Jack's here, Question of the Day.
CAFFERTY: Should students be paid to tell on their classmates is the question. Some schools starting these programs in the wake of those shootings up in Red Lake, Minnesota.
Sandy in Massachusetts writes, "The old 'the ends justify the means' crowd is at it again. I guess it's too difficult for parents to teach their kids self-respect, respect for others and compassion. With everything for sale in this country, why wouldn't the adults think that purchasing integrity wouldn't work?"
Roger in Michigan writes, "Sure they should, and they'll make even more money when the government starts paying them to tattle on their parents and neighbors. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Will we call them the Bush youth corps?"
And Barbara in New York writes, "I don't feel that kids should be paid to tell on their classmates. The kids should be taught that when someone's thinking of hurting them or someone else in the school, the right thing to do is to report this to the teacher or principal. Getting paid to do something right is wrong."
M. O'BRIEN: Good points.
S. O'BRIEN: Nobody agrees with me on this one today. I don't know if I totally agree with it.
CAFFERTY: What do you think about that Howard Stern and Martha Stewart idea?
M. O'BRIEN: I love plant this. I think that's a high concept.
S. O'BRIEN: We'll work with it.
All right, a short break ahead. We're going to talk to Bill Hemmer in Oklahoma City right after this break. Stay with us.
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S. O'BRIEN: Several events are scheduled this week to mark the 10th-year anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Our Bill Hemmer in Oklahoma City this morning.
Hey, Bill, good morning again.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Hey, Soledad. Tomorrow we will be here for the memorial, and we're also working on a few stories to bring here to our viewers exclusively here on AMERICAN MORNING. One involves a woman, The first victim into surgery that day in April of 1995. She lived, but just barely. She went on to raise millions of dollars to help build the memorial and world-class museum you see behind me in downtown Oklahoma City.
The other story you might remember Bailey Alma (ph). She was 1 year old. That baby that was cradled in the arms of a firefighter that day. Bailey died. She was only a year and a day old, April 19, 1995. We're going to bring together her mother, and also the firefighter who was caught in that photograph and see how they are coping together, 10 years later.
And the tragedy of 10 years ago, Soledad, is truly remarkable for this town. There were estimates that say 300 buildings were either destroyed or damaged. Another estimate says close to 400,000 people in this city alone knew someone who died that day or who was injured.
This memorial certainly will be moving tomorrow here in Oklahoma City. The vice president, Dick Cheney, will be here, and the former President Bill Clinton will be here as well. And so, too, will we here on AMERICAN MORNING. That comes your way tomorrow morning, the Tuesday edition.
Back to you, Soledad.
S. O'BRIEN: All right, Bill, thanks.
I think no question it's going to be very emotional tomorrow. We look forward to Bill's reports from there tomorrow.
M. O'BRIEN: Hard to believe it's been ten years.
S. O'BRIEN: No question about that.
That's it, we're out of time. Parting is such sweet sorrow, as we like to say. You guys, as always, see you back here next time.
M. O'BRIEN: You're big on Shakespeare this morning.
S. O'BRIEN: I know.
M. O'BRIEN: To snitch or not to snitch.
S. O'BRIEN: My parents spent a lot of money on my English degree, and I've managed to work it in twice.
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KAGAN: Let's check in with Daryn Kagan. She's over at the CNN Center this morning.
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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: It's just about half past the hour this Monday morning. Bill Hemmer is covering the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing this morning.
Miles O'Brien helping us out from here, though. Thanks, Appreciate it.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Good to be here. Thank you.
S. O'BRIEN: Coming up this morning, could we really see a new pope as early as today? The conclave to elect the next pope starts in just about an hour. We're going to talk this morning to John Allen. He wrote the book on the conclave, to tell us what we can expect today.
M. O'BRIEN: Also a boy from the heart of Red Sox country who is going to have to be a Yankee fan for the rest of his life. He already was, but he really will be now. He was just seconds from being hit by a truck last week, when A-Rod, of all people, scooped him up and saved his life. We'll hear his story and what he thinks of A-Rod now, Golden Glove at least, I would think.
S. O'BRIEN: He loved him before. He loves him even more right now. That's a cute story.
Let's get the headlines first, though. Carol Costello this morning, hello.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and good morning everyone.
Now in the news, convicted sex offender David Onstott is facing a first-degree murder charge for the killing of a Florida teenager. Onstott arriving in court a short time ago. He did not enter a plea, and a judge ordered him held without bond. Sarah Lunde's partially clothed body was found Saturday in a pond near her home.
A Texas businessman indicted in the Oil-for-Food scandal appeared in court this morning. David Chalmers being arraigned, along with an associate, they are accused of paying millions of dollars in secret kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's regime.
A Norwegian cruise ship rocked by a freak wave on the high seas is making its way toward New York now. The Norwegian Dawn docked in South Carolina after an extremely bumpy ride. At least four people were injured. One of the passengers said it felt like being on the Titanic. And a new crew arriving at the International Space Station. A Soyuz spacecraft carrying an American, a Russian and an Italian docked at the space station over the weekend. The old crew is set to return to Earth next week. We await their return.
M. O'BRIEN: Big doings in space. You know the shuttle will be flying next month, and one of their big jobs for that crew will be take very copious, detailed pictures of the shuttle as it approaches the space station to ensure that its heat shield is intact. So that's one of their big jobs.
Anyway, the crew is having a news conference now. If anything comes out of that, we'll let you know later about that as well.
S. O'BRIEN: Thank you, Carol. Thank you, Miles, for that.
Well, in just about an hour, a Roman Catholic cardinal is going to begin the process of choosing a new pope. All the voting cardinals celebrated mass together at the Vatican this morning. It is the first in a series of precise rituals that they will follow until their work is done.
CNN Vatican analyst John Allen live for us this morning.
Nice to see you, John, again. Thank you. Appreciate it.
What's going to happen exactly today? What goes through what the process and the ritual really is?
JOHN ALLEN, CNN VATICAN ANALYST: Sure. Well, right now, the cardinals are probably taking a little nap. We presume the lunch is finished up in the (INAUDIBLE).
4:30 they will gather in the Apostolic Palace. That's of course the large building where the pope has his apartments. They will meet in a hallway call the Hall of Blessings, and at that stage, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the dean of the college, will lead them in prayer. Then they will begin a ceremonial procession down that hallway through a room called the Solorage (ph). This is a room in which the pope holds his annual meeting with the diplomatic corps here at the Vatican, and then they will enter the Sistine Chapel.
As they do that, will be intoning the litany of saints, saints both east and west, symbolizing the universality of the church. Then they will enter the Sistine Chapel. Cardinal Ratzinger will then sing the (INAUDIBLE), or "Come Creator Spirit," of course referring to the belief that Catholics hold that the election of the pope is inspired by the holy spirit.
Then they will swear an oath, first collectively, and then individually, to observe secrecy of the conclave, and that whoever is elected will defend the temporal and spiritual interests of the Vatican and the holy seat.
And then, at that stage, the master of ceremonies, Archbishop Gera Marina (ph), will utter those two fateful words, extra ulnes (ph), which means, in effect, everybody out, and everyone who is a non-cardinal, save two people, will leave. Marina himself will remain in. An over-80 cardinal, an 85-year-old by the named of Thomas Shpidlic (ph) from the Czech Republic will stay, because he's going to give them a final meditation. After that, Cardinal Shpidlic and Marina themselves will exit, the door will be locked, and then the cardinals have the option either of discussing any other questions about the rules, procedure, if anyone has them. If not, they can move directly to a first ballot. And if that happens, Soledad, we would expect somewhere around 8:00 p.m. local time, we would be seeing the first burst of smoke.
Now, it would be extremely unlikely that that smoke would be white, signifying a new pope. Usually in the first ballot we get black smoke. Then tomorrow, two ballots in the morning, two ballots in the afternoon, until we have a pope.
S. O'BRIEN: So if not today, when do you think it could happen? What do you think say realistic time line for the election of a new pope?
ALLEN: Well, you know, Soledad, the longest conclave in history was two years and nine months, but I don't think anyone expects something quite that long this time around. Most cardinals say that they would like to have a conclave that was not too short, that is if they did it in a half day or a day it would look like they had sort of rushed to judgment. If it went on more than four or five days, it would look like they were divided, and of course they don't want that to be the case; they want the new pope to be elected by consensus. So I think most of us are expecting a conclave that would be somewhere in the neighborhood of three, four, or maybe at the outside, five days.
S. O'BRIEN: We will see. John Allen for us this morning, thanks a lot, John -- Miles.
M. O'BRIEN: Family and friends say Marla Ruzicka was a courageous activist with a tremendous open heart. The 28-year-old American aid worker was killed by a roadside car bomb in Baghdad Saturday.
Thelma Gutierrez with more.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Marla Ruzicka grew up in this home north of San Francisco, on the water in Lakeport, California. It was an idyllic life, far from the misery she witnessed, far from the war-ravaged countries.
CLIFFORD RUZICKA, MARLA'S FATHER: She had been to a lot of places that had had troubling events going on.
GUTIERREZ: The last place was Baghdad, where Marla worked to help civilian victims of the war.
NANCY RUZICKA, MARLA'S MOTHER: Before Iraq, she went to Afghanistan, and for Global Exchange, and I think that she decided she needed to stay in that part of the country to maybe make a difference, and she went into Iraq the day Saddam's statue fell.
GUTIERREZ: Clifford and Nancy Ruzicka are Marla's parents, in mourning, over the girl, they say, was a born activist.
N. RUZICKA: Well, she came into the world kicking and screaming.
GUTIERREZ: As Marla grew up, her parents said she was the kind of kid who stood up for others and worried for those with less.
N. RUZICKA: We're so fortunate in the United States to have so much, and she always wanted to share that.
C. RUZICKA: She had a lot of zeal and a lot of purpose in her life, and it was early on, we recognized that, you know, she was going to do the humanitarian-types of work.
GUTIERREZ: Marla had gone to school in Cuba, Jerusalem, Zimbabwe and Costa Rica. In 2003, she found the nonprofit organization CIVIC, to bring attention to civilian casualties of war.
C. RUZICKA: She's taught the government and the military how to pay attention to the collateral damage they do to countries and to all of the civilians that they harm, and then they've learned that, you know, you need to take care of that issue, as well as win the battles.
GUTIERREZ: The Ruzickas worried about their daughter all the time. They talked or e-mailed almost daily.
C. RUZICKA: My parting words were, Marla, be careful, and Marla's words were "Daddy, I am being careful."
GUTIERREZ: Twenty-eight-year-old Marla Ruzicka died Saturday in a car bombing near the Baghdad Airport.
N. RUZICKA: We heard from her the night before. We didn't get to the phone fast enough, and she left a message, "Mom and dad, I love you. I'm safe."
GUTIERREZ: Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Los Angeles.
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M. O'BRIEN: Funeral service for Marla Ruzicka will be held Saturday in Lakeport, California -- Soledad.
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S. O'BRIEN: Just ahead this morning, Andy is "Minding Your Business." He's got word of a developing story involving Martha Stewart. She's apparently ready to make a huge announcement.
M. O'BRIEN: And it may have been A-Rod's greatest catch. No, I think question say it is his greatest catch. We'll talk to the boy whose life was saved by one of baseball's superstars. Stay with us for more AMERICAN MORNING.
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M. O'BRIEN: Here's one of the most popular stories running on cnn.com right now. New York Yankees' owner George Steinbrenner fuming over his team's performance, or really lack thereof lately. The Yankees are four and eight, last place, a tie, in the American League East. Steinbrenner said the highest paid team in baseball, $200 million worth, ain't playin' like true Yankees.
Now, what one of the great baseball rivalries was renewed in Boston last week. One young Yankee fan had the run-in of his life -- well near run-in, let's say. 8-year-old Patrick McCarthy owes Alex Rodriguez, A-Rod we'll call him, not only his inspiration, but really his life, as well. As he was about to step into his car, A-Rod saw Patrick walking on a busy street. A truck was coming barreling right toward him. Without skipping a beat, the Yankee slugger swept the boy out of harm's way.
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ALEX RODRIQUEZ, NEW YORK YANKEES: Right place, right time, I guess. For him.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did you see the car coming the entire time?
RODRIGUEZ: Well, I was getting away from the car and I was getting away from it. He was coming into the car. So it was one of those incidents that I put my arm in front of him and the car almost ran us both over.
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M. O'BRIEN: All right. And joining us now, great pleasure to have them here, Patrick McCarthy, his father Joe, in full Yankee regalia. We'll excuse that for a moment. Because they are from the Vineyard -- they're from Martha's Vineyard, they really should be Red Sox fans, I guess.
But, Patrick, tell us about this moment. First of all, you obviously didn't see the truck coming?
PATRICK MCCARTHY, 8-YEAR-OLD SAVED BY A-ROD: No, because there was a van parked in my way.
M. O'BRIEN: Right, and you were walking out and kind of in your blindspot. And just remember, what -- did you realize who it was right away or did you just get scooped up and look up and say holy cow?
P. MCCARTHY: I -- the second thing, I just looked up and I was amazed that it was A-Rod.
M. O'BRIEN: And you knew right away. It wasn't like any doubt in your mind?
P. MCCARTHY: Yes. M. O'BRIEN: And so what did you think, you were dreaming or gone to heaven or something?
P. MCCARTHY: Kind of, yes. I just looked up and I saw Alex Rodriguez. And I said, my name's Patrick McCarthy and I'm going to pitch for the Yankees some day.
M. O'BRIEN: And what did he say to that?
P. MCCARTHY: He just asked me if I was OK and I was like yes, and then people started to notice him, so he started walking away, and then people started to ask him for autographs.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes, because he probably didn't want to get mobbed in all that. Did you know how close you came to getting hurt?
P. MCCARTHY: Yes.
M. O'BRIEN: So you were a little scared, right?
P. MCCARTHY: Very scared.
M. O'BRIEN: Now, Dad, you weren't there?
JOE MCCARTHY, PATRICK'S FATHER: No, I was...
M. O'BRIEN: Mom was there.
J. MCCARTHY: Mom was there.
M. O'BRIEN: So you didn't have to witness this whole thing. I had a similar incident with my son when he was 7 years old. Somebody scooped him out of the path of a car. We have never gotten over it. It is a scary thing. But to add this whole other element of having A- Rod involved has made quite a story, hasn't it?
J. MCCARTHY: St. Alex, as we like to call him these days. And I'm certain any good samaritan, any decent human being, would have done the same, but it just turned out that this superstar athlete chose to protect a child and save a child.
M. O'BRIEN: Well, it's something we all would do. It's a human thing to do, but it just, the fact that he happens to be one of your heroes, Patrick. So this wasn't the end of the story, right? He went off, because as you say, he was getting mobbed. Ultimately, you got to see him again, didn't you? Tell us about that.
P. MCCARTHY: Actually, I didn't get to see him again, but I saw other players. I saw Tino Martinez, Jorge Posada and Randy Johnson.
M. O'BRIEN: Well, that's not so bad, is it?
P. MCCARTHY: Right.
M. O'BRIEN: Was that quite a thrill for you?
P. MCCARTHY: Yes, it was, because Randy Johnson's my favorite pitcher, and I really like all of the other players that I saw.
M. O'BRIEN: Now, you're going to the game tonight? Is that right?
J. MCCARTHY: We're going tonight again.
M. O'BRIEN: You think you might get a chance to see some more of the players? Are you sort of in the clubhouse now?
P. MCCARTHY: Yes, well, when I go there, the Yankees are going to have a long winning streak.
M. O'BRIEN: Oh, really? Tell me about this.
P. MCCARTHY: Well, I think when I get there, the Yankees are going to win lots and lots of games.
M. O'BRIEN: All right, Patrick, you got to tell me, what's going on with the Yankees this year? All that money, I mean, A-Rod?
P. MCCARTHY: They're not doing too good.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes, why?
P. MCCARTHY: I don't know why not.
M. O'BRIEN: I mean, you were the highlight of the season. You know that, right?
P. MCCARTHY: Um-hum.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes. What's it been like, this whole media flurry since, Joe? Has it been a little much, too much attention, or have you been enjoying it in a way?
J. MCCARTHY: Well, first and foremost, thank God he wasn't injured and thank you again to Alex Rodriguez. But, it's amazing how many Yankee fans and how many people really love Alex Rodriguez. The phone's been ringing off the hook with just questions about the good nature of this superstar athlete, saving this young boy's life.
M. O'BRIEN: Boy, all right.
J. MCCARTHY: We're just glad it wasn't Bill Buckner who was there.
M. O'BRIEN: Oh, man, you set us up for that one! All right, gents, just remember, they're four and eight. They're four and eight.
J. MCCARTHY: Patrick's in the house tonight. The winning streak begins tonight.
M. O'BRIEN: The winning streak begins. We'll call it the Patrick McCarthy winning streak. You know, if they win tonight, you might have to go to the whole season. Who knows? You might be with them. All right, well, listen. Congratulations to you. We're glad you're with us and safe and sound. And we're glad it all came out the way it did. Patrick and Joe McCarthy.
J. MCCARTHY: Thank you so much. Thanks for having us.
M. O'BRIEN: Enjoy the game, enjoy the season.
J. MCCARTHY: Go Yankees!
M. O'BRIEN: Soledad.
S. O'BRIEN: Ahead this morning, business news. There's word of a big announcement from Martha Stewart. Andy's got the lowdown on the domestic diva. He is "Minding Your Business," up next on AMERICAN MORNING.
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S. O'BRIEN: We've got this news just in to CNN. You're looking at the aftermath of a collision between a school bus and what they're describing as a dump truck. A number of children were inside the school bus, Arlington County school bus, that collided with a truck this morning. The local news channel there, News Channel 8, reporting that several children have already been sent to the hospital, and there were reports that someone, they may have been trying to rescue somebody who was pinned inside the dump truck.
Let's give you some of the numbers we're getting this morning, 17 people injured, at least three of them are reported in critical condition. Three men have medevac choppers on the scene, this happened 8:45 Eastern Time, and this, again, happening in Arlington County in Arlington, Virginia this morning. We're going to continue to look into this story, update you on any changes as we get them.
Let's get some business news first, tired of ATM fees? Some banks are easing the pain, and we've got more news from Martha.
With those stories and a check on Wall Street, Andy Serwer is "Minding Your Business" this morning.
Good morning.
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Good morning, Soledad.
Let's start with the stock market. Unfortunately the sell-off continues on Wall Street. Let's check out the big board, down 18, not so bad, 3M leading to the downslide this morning. Martha Stewart up a bit, though.
Ever notice how all news stories seem to converge? Well, this is one instance where that seems to be happening. Martha Stewart, Sirius Satellite Radio, it was inevitable, they're getting together. There's going to be a press conference this morning in New York, and Martha gets her own Sirius Satellite radio show apparently. We don't know the details. I'm sure we'll be hearing about them ad nauseaum.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Isn't that where Howard Stern is going to work? (CROSSTALK)
SERWER: Yes, that could be sweet, cooking with Howard, drapes with Howard.
CAFFERTY: Plant this, with Howard and Martha.
SERWER: Beautiful. I'm all for that one, Jack.
Let's talk a little bit about bank fees, then, shall we? How about that? You know, I paid $2.50 the other day at an ATM. Yes, you get charged on both sides. But now a couple of banks are cutting these fees all together, (INAUDIBLE) transactions. PNC and Commerce Bank, we're going to name them -- PNC and Commerce Bank. We're going to start a new trend here. With the stock market doing so badly, any companies that are cutting fees, lowering fees, lowering prices, hiring workers, we're happy to discuss that on air. So send them in to our news desk.
S. O'BRIEN: I like that.
All right, Andy, thank you very much.
SERWER: You're welcome.
M. O'BRIEN: All right, Jack's here, Question of the Day.
CAFFERTY: Should students be paid to tell on their classmates is the question. Some schools starting these programs in the wake of those shootings up in Red Lake, Minnesota.
Sandy in Massachusetts writes, "The old 'the ends justify the means' crowd is at it again. I guess it's too difficult for parents to teach their kids self-respect, respect for others and compassion. With everything for sale in this country, why wouldn't the adults think that purchasing integrity wouldn't work?"
Roger in Michigan writes, "Sure they should, and they'll make even more money when the government starts paying them to tattle on their parents and neighbors. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Will we call them the Bush youth corps?"
And Barbara in New York writes, "I don't feel that kids should be paid to tell on their classmates. The kids should be taught that when someone's thinking of hurting them or someone else in the school, the right thing to do is to report this to the teacher or principal. Getting paid to do something right is wrong."
M. O'BRIEN: Good points.
S. O'BRIEN: Nobody agrees with me on this one today. I don't know if I totally agree with it.
CAFFERTY: What do you think about that Howard Stern and Martha Stewart idea?
M. O'BRIEN: I love plant this. I think that's a high concept.
S. O'BRIEN: We'll work with it.
All right, a short break ahead. We're going to talk to Bill Hemmer in Oklahoma City right after this break. Stay with us.
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S. O'BRIEN: Several events are scheduled this week to mark the 10th-year anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Our Bill Hemmer in Oklahoma City this morning.
Hey, Bill, good morning again.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Hey, Soledad. Tomorrow we will be here for the memorial, and we're also working on a few stories to bring here to our viewers exclusively here on AMERICAN MORNING. One involves a woman, The first victim into surgery that day in April of 1995. She lived, but just barely. She went on to raise millions of dollars to help build the memorial and world-class museum you see behind me in downtown Oklahoma City.
The other story you might remember Bailey Alma (ph). She was 1 year old. That baby that was cradled in the arms of a firefighter that day. Bailey died. She was only a year and a day old, April 19, 1995. We're going to bring together her mother, and also the firefighter who was caught in that photograph and see how they are coping together, 10 years later.
And the tragedy of 10 years ago, Soledad, is truly remarkable for this town. There were estimates that say 300 buildings were either destroyed or damaged. Another estimate says close to 400,000 people in this city alone knew someone who died that day or who was injured.
This memorial certainly will be moving tomorrow here in Oklahoma City. The vice president, Dick Cheney, will be here, and the former President Bill Clinton will be here as well. And so, too, will we here on AMERICAN MORNING. That comes your way tomorrow morning, the Tuesday edition.
Back to you, Soledad.
S. O'BRIEN: All right, Bill, thanks.
I think no question it's going to be very emotional tomorrow. We look forward to Bill's reports from there tomorrow.
M. O'BRIEN: Hard to believe it's been ten years.
S. O'BRIEN: No question about that.
That's it, we're out of time. Parting is such sweet sorrow, as we like to say. You guys, as always, see you back here next time.
M. O'BRIEN: You're big on Shakespeare this morning.
S. O'BRIEN: I know.
M. O'BRIEN: To snitch or not to snitch.
S. O'BRIEN: My parents spent a lot of money on my English degree, and I've managed to work it in twice.
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KAGAN: Let's check in with Daryn Kagan. She's over at the CNN Center this morning.
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