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Oklahoma City Marks Ten Year Anniversary of Bombing; Awaiting Word of New Pope

Aired April 19, 2005 - 11:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: No pope yet. Black smoke rose from the Sistine Chapel chimney this morning, but another round of voting should come soon.
CNN correspondent Jim Bittermann is in Rome with the latest on the voting there. Hi, Jim.

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Betty. In fact, it's probably taken place already. About an hour and a half ago, the cardinals, if they were on schedule, went back into their session at the Sistine Chapel. We figured it takes about hour and 15, hour and a half or so, to vote. So we could be seeing smoke at any time, if it is a successful vote. If it's not a successful vote, then we'll have to wait until somewhere around 7:00, about an hour and a half from now, when we'll see what happens with the ballots from both votes this afternoon.

Now, this morning, as you mentioned, there was some black smoke come out of the chimney. Well, at least they said it was black. It started off a little gray, then it got a little darker, then it got a little grayer, a little whiter. And then the noon bells went off. We have been told that the Vatican will ring the big bell, the campagna, the ten-ton, three-yard across bell when there is white smoke.

When the noon bells went off, of course, everybody got very excited, and decided that this was white smoke, indeed. In fact, it wasn't and the smoke continued for another 20 minutes or so, turned black and gray, and all sorts of colors, but no pope. So in any case, we're standing by, we're keeping an eye on a chimney, and if there is any smoke this afternoon, we'll let you know about it.

NGUYEN: Jim, a two-thirds majority is required in order for a new pope to be elected. They could go for days without getting that two-thirds majority. What happens then? Show us the process.

BITTERMANN: Well, basically -- I mean, you're absolutely right. I mean, it could go on for some time here. And I noticed that some of our colleagues are already saying well, the conclave is deadlocked. It's far too early to say that. The fact is that any one of these voters is also a candidate. They're all potential candidates. So you have 115 voters and 115 candidates. It's going to take a while to sort through those and come up with one name that's pleasing everybody.

Now, like you say, after a few days, it's going to -- they have to get to this two-thirds before they can say that they've elected a pope. After about three days or so, though, they have the option to take a day off; that is, to rest for a day, and that with the idea being that that day of rest would actually be for doing a little politicking, you know, making arrangements between people. Perhaps someone would drop out at that point.

And then they'd go on, they'd carry on for another seven votes, then they can take another day. All this is by choice. They don't have to. It's not specified that they have to. But they can if they feel that it will solve the deadlock, to take a day off and rethink things. That continues to about the 33rd or 34th vote and it's not absolutely precise, whether it's the 33rd or 34th.

But in any case, at that point, they can vote to go to a simple majority vote, which would be a lot easier to attain, rather than two- thirds. So there is a mechanism there, down the line, that if they do get stuck getting two-thirds, they could go to simple majority. But in the past, that hasn't been necessary.

The fact is, well -- it hasn't been possible in the past. But also, it hasn't taken that long to get to two-thirds. John Paul II, for instance, was elected after eight votes. So we would see, I think -- as each vote goes by here, I think we're getting closer and closer to a pope.

NGUYEN: CNN's Jim Bittermann in Rome. We'll keep watching that chimney. Thank you, Jim.

Cnn.com has a section filled with information on the papal election and the Roman Catholic Church. Dot-com correspondent Veronica De La Cruz fills us in.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN.COM CORRESPONDENT: The death of Pope John Paul II has set off a tradition-rich process to select his successor. At cnn.com/pope, a look inside the conclave and how the church and global affairs might affect the next papacy. Cardinal electors have begun the selection process. View potential successors in this interactive gallery.

More than one billion people around the world are Roman Catholic, a number that has grown by nearly 400 million since the last time a pope was selected in 1978. This interactive map breaks down where the bulk of Catholics live. Europe remains the historical home of the Catholic Church. Italy alone boasts 38 cardinals, while the U.S., the country with the second greatest amount, has only 13.

The new pope will be greeted with a host of new issues, unimaginable centuries ago. End-of-life issues brought up recently by the Terri Schiavo case and questions over the validity of the popular novel "The Da Vinci Code" illustrated some of the complexities the Vatican now faces. What are the most important issues facing the church? You can read what others around the globe think and give us your thoughts, as well.

From the dot-com newsdesk, I'm Veronica De La Cruz. (END VIDEOTAPE)

NGUYEN: You know that food pyramid you've been trying to follow for years? Well, you can forget about it. The government has a new eating plan for you and we have a live report detailing all of that, coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: There are new ideas created to help you get in shape. In today's "Daily Dose," we're talking about the USDA's new food guidelines that will replace the old food pyramid. The changes were revealed just over an hour ago, and CNN's medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is here to tell us what's new.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: What's new? Well, they decided the old pyramid wasn't working. The government says that people just weren't using it, so since people weren't using it, they decided to create 12 of them, 12 new food pyramids that you will use based on your weight and your height and your age and how many calories you need.

COHEN: The government says that people just weren't using it. So since people weren't using it, they decided to create 12 of them, 12 new food guide pyramids that you will use based on your weight, your height, and your age and how many calories you need, so 12 different pyramids based on someone's individual caloric needs. And if you remember the old pyramid, there were horizontal bands, the new pyramid is going to have vertical bands.

Here you see in this little video, what they did was took it and they flipped it on its side. And so you'll see soon that they have these vertical bands that help explain. One of those represents the meat group. One represents dairy. One represents fat and oils, and then in addition what they did put steps next to it. We'll see those in a bit, and that is to remind Americans that they need to exercise. Now two big differences between the new and old, is that the new one emphasizes getting whole grains, while the old pyramid you could eat white processed bread and that was fine with them, but with the new pyramid, they're saying whole grains.

Another big change is that they're telling people to eat low-fat meat and dairy. So let's take a look at the old versus the new pyramid. The old one said nine servings of grain. The new one, seven. The old one, four vegetables, the new one, six. The old three servings of fruit, the new one's four. The milk products have stayed about the same, 2 to 3, to 3, and now they emphasize low fat, and then the same for the meat, eggs and beans group.

Now it's interesting, this is all laid out on a Web site called mypyramid.gov. Now we've had a really hard time getting on this Web site. And even once you go to it, you put in your information about how old you are and how much exercise you get, and it's supposed to tell you what to eat.

But one of the problems, one of the criticisms the government is definitely going to get, is that it says things like eat six ounces of grains. When I put in my age and activity level, it said six ounces of grains. Well, I can't remember the last time I weighed my bread. So I think that's definitely going to be an area that people are going to say can improve.

NGUYEN: But are they getting more specific when it comes to serving sizes, because in the old pyramid, it would say, you know, you need one or two servings. What's a serving?

COHEN: Well, that's why they started doing this thing with the ounces. So for example, as I said, when I put in my age and my activity level, it said you should be getting, I forget what it was, but it was two or three cups of vegetables, and you should be getting six ounces of grains. Well, people don't always measure it. So that's going to be a real challenge, is people are going to have to think about, this piece of bread I'm eating, how many ounces in it?

NGUYEN: And before you would have one at the top, one at the bottom. So you kind of felt which was more important than the other. But now they're all going straight up, so you kind of get a look at the little line and see which one's fatter, and which one's not. It's a little confusing.

COHEN: It's a little confusing. I think that we really are going to hear criticism of this new pyramid, because of what you said. When you see those vertical bands, if you look really closely at them, some are wider than others. In other words, you're supposed to eat more vegetables than you're supposed to have of other kinds of foods, but it's really hard to tell. You really have to look to tell which is wider.

Now the criticism about the original pyramid, the one that came out in 1992, was that the was the bad food and bottom was the good food. Well, that's a little counterintuitive. Usual you think of top as being good and bottom as being was bad. I know my kids learned the pyramid in school, and they were confused about this (INAUDIBLE). But both of them are a little bit confusing.

NGUYEN: So I guess is key is to go the Web site, if you can get on.

COHEN: Go to the Web site, if you can get on, you put in your age and you put in your activity level, and it will give you a pyramid that's designed for you with exactly how many cups and ounces of each food group you're supposed to have.

NGUYEN: So your own diet designed by the government.

COHEN: There you go.

NGUYEN: All right, Elizabeth Cohen, thank you so much.

Well, do you want to say young and sharp? You might try surfing. Find out how one 70-year-old man swears it. And by surfing our health Web site at CNN.com/health, you'll also find the latest medical news, a health library, and information on diet and fitness. Again, that's CNN.com/health.

We're back in just a moment.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: Ten years ago today, tragedy struck Oklahoma City. Today family and friends have come to remember and reflect.

CNN's Gary Tuchman is there, live in Oklahoma City, with a family who was touched in so many ways by the bombing -- Gary.

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're standing, Betty, at the Oklahoma City Memorial. This is the site where the Murrah building used to stand. It's now a beautiful memorial.

This is a beautiful family, who I've known for two years. The people over there, the older people, the parents, are Jim and Claudia Denny. The children next to me are Rebecca and Brandon. Rebecca and Brandon were in day care center on the second floor of the Murrah building. They were the two most seriously hurt children in the building, brother and sister.

Rebecca, I'm going to talk to you first. You're the youngest lady here, so I need to talk to you first.

Tell everyone what happened to you, just to remind people what happened to you.

REBECCA DENNY, 12-YEAR-OLD OKC BOMBING SURVIVOR: I was blown up, all on my left side, and on my face, I had 240 stitches. And...

TUCHMAN: You are so beautiful now.

R. DENNY: Thank you.

TUCHMAN: I mean, you really are, you know that, right?

R. DENNY: No.

TUCHMAN: You're modest also, which is very impressive.

How does it make you feel when you come back to this memorial and see where you were. I know you don't remember, and that's a really, really good thing. But how do you feel being here right now?

R. DENNY: I feel sad and kind of happy at the same time, because I'm glad I survived, and then I feel sad because most people died.

TUCHMAN: You're so well spoken.

I want to talk to your brother, too. Brandon and I were especially good friends. I'm going to tell you why. Brandon was 3 and-a-half years old when this happened. And we found out from talking to his parents that my daughter and Brandon were born on the exact same day, two hours apart, September 4th, 1991. So my daughter and Brandon have become telephone friends since then, right? They've talked.

Brandon had a lot of the parts of the building in his head, and he's had several brain surgeries, and he's had a really difficult time. But he's an amazing kid and has done really well.

How are you feeling about being here, Brandon.

BRANDON DENNY, OKC BOMBING SURVIVOR: Great.

TUCHMAN: I mean, this is really nice to see so many people here, isn't it? It's sad in a lot of ways, but it's nice to be with your family, isn't it?

B. DENNY: Yes.

TUCHMAN: Thanks, Brandon, for talking with us. Your mom and dad, Jim and Claudia.

Claudia, I want to remind our viewers -- I'm going to stand over here, if you don't mind. Of course I'm the tallest one so they can see me over you.

(LAUGHTER)

I want to remind our viewers happened to Brandon on April 19th, 1995.

CLAUDIA DENNY: Well, he had an open-head injury with his brain exposed. They had to remove a portion of his brain that affected his right side and his speech. He had four major brain surgeries. Since then he developed seizure ours to the head injury and he's gone through...

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Aired April 19, 2005 - 11:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: No pope yet. Black smoke rose from the Sistine Chapel chimney this morning, but another round of voting should come soon.
CNN correspondent Jim Bittermann is in Rome with the latest on the voting there. Hi, Jim.

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Betty. In fact, it's probably taken place already. About an hour and a half ago, the cardinals, if they were on schedule, went back into their session at the Sistine Chapel. We figured it takes about hour and 15, hour and a half or so, to vote. So we could be seeing smoke at any time, if it is a successful vote. If it's not a successful vote, then we'll have to wait until somewhere around 7:00, about an hour and a half from now, when we'll see what happens with the ballots from both votes this afternoon.

Now, this morning, as you mentioned, there was some black smoke come out of the chimney. Well, at least they said it was black. It started off a little gray, then it got a little darker, then it got a little grayer, a little whiter. And then the noon bells went off. We have been told that the Vatican will ring the big bell, the campagna, the ten-ton, three-yard across bell when there is white smoke.

When the noon bells went off, of course, everybody got very excited, and decided that this was white smoke, indeed. In fact, it wasn't and the smoke continued for another 20 minutes or so, turned black and gray, and all sorts of colors, but no pope. So in any case, we're standing by, we're keeping an eye on a chimney, and if there is any smoke this afternoon, we'll let you know about it.

NGUYEN: Jim, a two-thirds majority is required in order for a new pope to be elected. They could go for days without getting that two-thirds majority. What happens then? Show us the process.

BITTERMANN: Well, basically -- I mean, you're absolutely right. I mean, it could go on for some time here. And I noticed that some of our colleagues are already saying well, the conclave is deadlocked. It's far too early to say that. The fact is that any one of these voters is also a candidate. They're all potential candidates. So you have 115 voters and 115 candidates. It's going to take a while to sort through those and come up with one name that's pleasing everybody.

Now, like you say, after a few days, it's going to -- they have to get to this two-thirds before they can say that they've elected a pope. After about three days or so, though, they have the option to take a day off; that is, to rest for a day, and that with the idea being that that day of rest would actually be for doing a little politicking, you know, making arrangements between people. Perhaps someone would drop out at that point.

And then they'd go on, they'd carry on for another seven votes, then they can take another day. All this is by choice. They don't have to. It's not specified that they have to. But they can if they feel that it will solve the deadlock, to take a day off and rethink things. That continues to about the 33rd or 34th vote and it's not absolutely precise, whether it's the 33rd or 34th.

But in any case, at that point, they can vote to go to a simple majority vote, which would be a lot easier to attain, rather than two- thirds. So there is a mechanism there, down the line, that if they do get stuck getting two-thirds, they could go to simple majority. But in the past, that hasn't been necessary.

The fact is, well -- it hasn't been possible in the past. But also, it hasn't taken that long to get to two-thirds. John Paul II, for instance, was elected after eight votes. So we would see, I think -- as each vote goes by here, I think we're getting closer and closer to a pope.

NGUYEN: CNN's Jim Bittermann in Rome. We'll keep watching that chimney. Thank you, Jim.

Cnn.com has a section filled with information on the papal election and the Roman Catholic Church. Dot-com correspondent Veronica De La Cruz fills us in.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN.COM CORRESPONDENT: The death of Pope John Paul II has set off a tradition-rich process to select his successor. At cnn.com/pope, a look inside the conclave and how the church and global affairs might affect the next papacy. Cardinal electors have begun the selection process. View potential successors in this interactive gallery.

More than one billion people around the world are Roman Catholic, a number that has grown by nearly 400 million since the last time a pope was selected in 1978. This interactive map breaks down where the bulk of Catholics live. Europe remains the historical home of the Catholic Church. Italy alone boasts 38 cardinals, while the U.S., the country with the second greatest amount, has only 13.

The new pope will be greeted with a host of new issues, unimaginable centuries ago. End-of-life issues brought up recently by the Terri Schiavo case and questions over the validity of the popular novel "The Da Vinci Code" illustrated some of the complexities the Vatican now faces. What are the most important issues facing the church? You can read what others around the globe think and give us your thoughts, as well.

From the dot-com newsdesk, I'm Veronica De La Cruz. (END VIDEOTAPE)

NGUYEN: You know that food pyramid you've been trying to follow for years? Well, you can forget about it. The government has a new eating plan for you and we have a live report detailing all of that, coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: There are new ideas created to help you get in shape. In today's "Daily Dose," we're talking about the USDA's new food guidelines that will replace the old food pyramid. The changes were revealed just over an hour ago, and CNN's medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is here to tell us what's new.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: What's new? Well, they decided the old pyramid wasn't working. The government says that people just weren't using it, so since people weren't using it, they decided to create 12 of them, 12 new food pyramids that you will use based on your weight and your height and your age and how many calories you need.

COHEN: The government says that people just weren't using it. So since people weren't using it, they decided to create 12 of them, 12 new food guide pyramids that you will use based on your weight, your height, and your age and how many calories you need, so 12 different pyramids based on someone's individual caloric needs. And if you remember the old pyramid, there were horizontal bands, the new pyramid is going to have vertical bands.

Here you see in this little video, what they did was took it and they flipped it on its side. And so you'll see soon that they have these vertical bands that help explain. One of those represents the meat group. One represents dairy. One represents fat and oils, and then in addition what they did put steps next to it. We'll see those in a bit, and that is to remind Americans that they need to exercise. Now two big differences between the new and old, is that the new one emphasizes getting whole grains, while the old pyramid you could eat white processed bread and that was fine with them, but with the new pyramid, they're saying whole grains.

Another big change is that they're telling people to eat low-fat meat and dairy. So let's take a look at the old versus the new pyramid. The old one said nine servings of grain. The new one, seven. The old one, four vegetables, the new one, six. The old three servings of fruit, the new one's four. The milk products have stayed about the same, 2 to 3, to 3, and now they emphasize low fat, and then the same for the meat, eggs and beans group.

Now it's interesting, this is all laid out on a Web site called mypyramid.gov. Now we've had a really hard time getting on this Web site. And even once you go to it, you put in your information about how old you are and how much exercise you get, and it's supposed to tell you what to eat.

But one of the problems, one of the criticisms the government is definitely going to get, is that it says things like eat six ounces of grains. When I put in my age and activity level, it said six ounces of grains. Well, I can't remember the last time I weighed my bread. So I think that's definitely going to be an area that people are going to say can improve.

NGUYEN: But are they getting more specific when it comes to serving sizes, because in the old pyramid, it would say, you know, you need one or two servings. What's a serving?

COHEN: Well, that's why they started doing this thing with the ounces. So for example, as I said, when I put in my age and my activity level, it said you should be getting, I forget what it was, but it was two or three cups of vegetables, and you should be getting six ounces of grains. Well, people don't always measure it. So that's going to be a real challenge, is people are going to have to think about, this piece of bread I'm eating, how many ounces in it?

NGUYEN: And before you would have one at the top, one at the bottom. So you kind of felt which was more important than the other. But now they're all going straight up, so you kind of get a look at the little line and see which one's fatter, and which one's not. It's a little confusing.

COHEN: It's a little confusing. I think that we really are going to hear criticism of this new pyramid, because of what you said. When you see those vertical bands, if you look really closely at them, some are wider than others. In other words, you're supposed to eat more vegetables than you're supposed to have of other kinds of foods, but it's really hard to tell. You really have to look to tell which is wider.

Now the criticism about the original pyramid, the one that came out in 1992, was that the was the bad food and bottom was the good food. Well, that's a little counterintuitive. Usual you think of top as being good and bottom as being was bad. I know my kids learned the pyramid in school, and they were confused about this (INAUDIBLE). But both of them are a little bit confusing.

NGUYEN: So I guess is key is to go the Web site, if you can get on.

COHEN: Go to the Web site, if you can get on, you put in your age and you put in your activity level, and it will give you a pyramid that's designed for you with exactly how many cups and ounces of each food group you're supposed to have.

NGUYEN: So your own diet designed by the government.

COHEN: There you go.

NGUYEN: All right, Elizabeth Cohen, thank you so much.

Well, do you want to say young and sharp? You might try surfing. Find out how one 70-year-old man swears it. And by surfing our health Web site at CNN.com/health, you'll also find the latest medical news, a health library, and information on diet and fitness. Again, that's CNN.com/health.

We're back in just a moment.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: Ten years ago today, tragedy struck Oklahoma City. Today family and friends have come to remember and reflect.

CNN's Gary Tuchman is there, live in Oklahoma City, with a family who was touched in so many ways by the bombing -- Gary.

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're standing, Betty, at the Oklahoma City Memorial. This is the site where the Murrah building used to stand. It's now a beautiful memorial.

This is a beautiful family, who I've known for two years. The people over there, the older people, the parents, are Jim and Claudia Denny. The children next to me are Rebecca and Brandon. Rebecca and Brandon were in day care center on the second floor of the Murrah building. They were the two most seriously hurt children in the building, brother and sister.

Rebecca, I'm going to talk to you first. You're the youngest lady here, so I need to talk to you first.

Tell everyone what happened to you, just to remind people what happened to you.

REBECCA DENNY, 12-YEAR-OLD OKC BOMBING SURVIVOR: I was blown up, all on my left side, and on my face, I had 240 stitches. And...

TUCHMAN: You are so beautiful now.

R. DENNY: Thank you.

TUCHMAN: I mean, you really are, you know that, right?

R. DENNY: No.

TUCHMAN: You're modest also, which is very impressive.

How does it make you feel when you come back to this memorial and see where you were. I know you don't remember, and that's a really, really good thing. But how do you feel being here right now?

R. DENNY: I feel sad and kind of happy at the same time, because I'm glad I survived, and then I feel sad because most people died.

TUCHMAN: You're so well spoken.

I want to talk to your brother, too. Brandon and I were especially good friends. I'm going to tell you why. Brandon was 3 and-a-half years old when this happened. And we found out from talking to his parents that my daughter and Brandon were born on the exact same day, two hours apart, September 4th, 1991. So my daughter and Brandon have become telephone friends since then, right? They've talked.

Brandon had a lot of the parts of the building in his head, and he's had several brain surgeries, and he's had a really difficult time. But he's an amazing kid and has done really well.

How are you feeling about being here, Brandon.

BRANDON DENNY, OKC BOMBING SURVIVOR: Great.

TUCHMAN: I mean, this is really nice to see so many people here, isn't it? It's sad in a lot of ways, but it's nice to be with your family, isn't it?

B. DENNY: Yes.

TUCHMAN: Thanks, Brandon, for talking with us. Your mom and dad, Jim and Claudia.

Claudia, I want to remind our viewers -- I'm going to stand over here, if you don't mind. Of course I'm the tallest one so they can see me over you.

(LAUGHTER)

I want to remind our viewers happened to Brandon on April 19th, 1995.

CLAUDIA DENNY: Well, he had an open-head injury with his brain exposed. They had to remove a portion of his brain that affected his right side and his speech. He had four major brain surgeries. Since then he developed seizure ours to the head injury and he's gone through...

(INTERRUPTED BY BREAKING NEWS)

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