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Chimpanzees Maul Man and Wife; Apparitions of Virgin Mary Reported.

Aired April 20, 2005 - 19:00   ET

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Enemy within: are homegrown terrorists a bigger threat to you than al Qaeda? Tonight, meet a white supremacist who wants to build an alliance with bin Laden.

The Virgin Mary in Illinois? Hundreds of faithful flock to an underpass apparition. Tonight, judge for yourself. See the mark some are calling a miracle.

And chimp-attack survivors: her thumb was ripped off, her husband nearly killed by chimps gone wild. How come no charges have been filed nearly two months after the unbelievable animal attack?

ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

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COOPER: Good evening again. For three-and-a-half years, we've been worried in this country about foreign terrorists. But here is a startling fact. CNN today learned there are more than 300 active FBI field investigations targeting 22 domestic terror organizations. We're talking about a variety of groups, but notably white supremacists -- including the National Alliance and the Aryan Nations.

And there are worries those domestic groups may be trying to reach out to foreign terrorists as well. CNN's Rick Sanchez sat down with the leader of the Aryan Nations and heard his chilling offer to al Qaeda. We are warning you some of this is full of hate and disturbing.

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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): August Kreis is a white supremacist and the leader of a group of the Aryan Nations -- not someone you would think would be making a common cause with the Islamic terrorists who attacked the U.S. on 9/11.

AUGUST KREIS, ARYAN NATIONS: You say they are terrorists, I say they are freedom fighters. And I want to instill the same jihadic feeling in our people's heart, in the Aryan race, that they have for their father who they call Allah.

SANCHEZ: Kreis, who is trying to build this unholy alliance between al Qaeda and the Aryan Nations from of all places, Florida. (on camera): I want to show you something that's ironic about this particular story in relation to the state of Florida. This is Palm Beach County Airport, one of the places where Mohammed Atta, the supposed mastermind of the 9/11 attack, came to try to learn to fly one of these planes.

And now we're in the orange groves of Central Florida. This is where Aryan Nations has now set up shop. And there's more. This is where Aryan Nations' leader is now thanking al Qaeda and praising those very same hijackers that we just told you about.

You want Americans to appreciate the efforts of the very people who attacked us on 9/11.

KREIS: I don't believe that they were the ones that attacked us. And even if they did, even if you are saying they did, I don't care. I don't care. We have no say in this country now. We Aryan, the Aryan race has no say anymore in a country that our forefathers fought and died for.

SANCHEZ: From its compound in Idaho, Aryan Nations used to be one of the most feared extremist groups. Its ideology is very anti- Semitic and anti-government. It calls the government ZOG, which stands for Zionist Occupation Government.

(on camera): What is August Kreis and the Aryan Nations' main goal?

KREIS: The end goal would be a white United States, the whole country, white only.

SANCHEZ: Which would seem to rule out any sympathy with Arabs or Muslims. So then what connects them? Simply put, a hatred of Jews and the U.S. government.

Aryan Nations' followers have held marches, been convicted of robbing banks, even of shooting children at a Jewish community center in Los Angeles. But then a civil suit stripped the organization of its headquarters and its founder Richard Butler died.

In steps August Kreis, first from Pennsylvania.

(on camera): In Pennsylvania, there were some officials, one of which called you a village idiot.

KREIS: Well, I don't really care what titles or tags they want to put on me. You know I'm no idiot. You might think I'm radical to the extreme, but you know I'm no idiot.

SANCHEZ (voice-over): Kreis, who says he lives on a military disability pension, recently moved to Sebring, Florida, where he's been trying to rebuild Aryan Nations by promoting an alliance with the likes of al Qaeda especially over the Internet.

However, he didn't want us to visit his house, fearing trouble from his neighbors. So he met us at a local park. (on camera): How many people do you think out there in America agree with your ideology.

KREIS: I have no idea. I have no idea.

SANCHEZ: Give me a guess.

KREIS: I have no idea. I don't want to -- if they believe in my philosophy, I don't really even want them to call me or contact me.

SANCHEZ: Why?

KREIS: Why?

SANCHEZ: Why?

KREIS: Because I don't want them identified. What do you think the lone-wolfism is all about?

SANCHEZ: This is how it's going to work from now on?

KREIS: This is the way it's going to work from now on.

SANCHEZ: Lone-wolfism is the idea that domestic terrorists can act on their own or in small cells, as in the case of Timothy McVeigh when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City ten years ago.

The idea of an alliance between neo-Nazi and Islamic extremists is actually not at all new -- it dates back to contacts between Hitler, the Third Reich and the Muslim Brotherhood, the very genesis of al Qaeda itself.

We contacted FBI officials who tell us they are trying to keep an eye out for neo-Nazis trying to make contact with jihadis. But they say so far they have not seen any evidence of it.

Those who monitor hate groups call it a dangerous proposition.

MARK POTOK, SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER: The notion of radical Islamists from abroad actually getting together with American neo- Nazis I think is an absolutely frightening one. It's just that so far we really have no evidence at all to suggest that this is any kind of real collaboration.

SANCHEZ: It's not clear that August Kreis's alliance exists anywhere except in his own mind and on the Internet. But he's hoping someone, somewhere in al Qaeda is listening.

Rick Sanchez, CNN, Sebring, Florida.

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COOPER: Well our special series "Enemy Within" continues in a moment with the lone wolf, the Unabomber. See for the first time exclusive pictures into the shack where Ted Kaczynski plotted murder and mayhem. Plus, new details on what may have drove him to terror. Also ahead tonight, a shocking chimp attack. They bit off a woman's finger, nearly killed her husband, ripped his face off. Tonight, an update. Why has no one been charged?

Also ahead tonight: One man's quest for immortality. His routine that he says could add years to your life. Our 360 MD Sanjay Gupta shares his secrets. All that ahead. First, your picks of the most popular stories on CNN.com right now.

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COOPER: Well, that's how the terror ended. April, 1996 Ted Kaczynski, the so-called Unabomber, arrested after 18 years, 16 attacks, three people dead, 29 others injured.

Today in Salt Lake City, one of those 29 injured, Gary Wright, who had 200 pieces of shrapnel removed from his body in three separate surgeries, and spent years in and out of casts, joined with David Kaczynski, the brother of the Unabomber, to address some high school kids on the subject of forgiveness.

Tonight, Rusty Dornin has exclusive photos, ones you've never seen before, inside the shack where the Unabomber plotted to kill.

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RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In his remote 10-by-12 mountainside shack -- no plumbing, no electricity -- a rare glimpse of the primitive lifestyle of Unabomber Ted Kaczynski in these previously unpublished evidence photos.

He lived on less than $300 a year, shooting snowshoe rabbits and eating roots and vegetables. Three antique typewriters were found in the cabin. A meticulous record-keeper, Kaczynski wrote down every detail of his bombings, providing keys to nearly all of the Unabomber puzzles, like why he quit his bombing spree for six years from '87 to '93.

MAX NOEL, FORMER FBI AGENT: And, in his writings, he said he was completely frustrated. Why did these two bombs not -- constructed exactly the same -- why were they ineffective? And -- so, he took the time off to develop what he considered to be a bomb that could kill effectively.

DORNIN: In his cabin, hung the gray sweatshirt investigators believe when he was wearing when a witness spotted him in 1987 planting a bomb in Salt Lake City. She described him as having blonde hair and glasses. One of the lead investigators, former FBI Agent Max Noel says Kaczynski would collect blonde hair from restroom washbasins.

NOEL: He would bring it home, catalog it, clean it, and then he would tape it inside the bomb as he was constructing it, hoping...

DORNIN: ...hoping to fool investigators into thinking the bomb- maker was blonde. Kaczynski was filthy, dressed in tatters on the night of his arrest. On the right, in the baseball cap, FBI Agent Max Noel. Noel and three other agents spent nearly three months in the tiny town of Lincoln, Montana, waiting for the right moment to nab Kaczynski.

NOEL: Butch came up here and we checked the road to make sure there weren't any fresh footprints, and checked the canyon here to make sure he hadn't come out during the evening.

DORNIN: And he never left the cabin?

NOEL: He never left the area of the cabin for three months.

DORNIN: They figured he was in there building a bomb. Hoping to avoid a bloody standoff, investigators wanted to grab Kaczynski as he rode this bicycle to town, but those plans were spoiled when a television network threatened to identify Kaczynski as the Unabomber suspect in April of '96. They had to go in.

Noel and Forest Ranger Jerry Burns, now retired, took us back to that moment. They said they disguised themselves at mining company surveyors along with another FBI agent, Tom McDaniels.

JERRY BURNS, US FOREST SERVICE (RET.): We came in under the pretext of checking his property lines because there had been some mining claims that had been filed.

DORNIN: When they got close to the cabin, Burns yelled out to Kaczynski from outside, and asked him to show them where his property line was.

BURNS: Ted opened the door, stuck his head out and one hand on the door sill, and I grabbed his hand real quick, and I pulled him, and out he came, and Tom McDaniels put him in a head lock.

DORNIN: When were you sure you found the Unabomber?

NOEL: When I heard the cry go up, from his cabin, of the search team, after we had taken him down to the Williams cabin. I knew they were yelling because they discovered something that was critical to the case.

DORNIN: It was this, wrapped and ready, a fragmentation bomb Kaczynski had hidden under his bed. Investigators say it was his largest and most sophisticated.

Kaczynski sent his first bomb to the University of Illinois in 1978. By the time forestry executive Gilbert Murray was killed in Sacramento in '95, three people had died, 29 injured.

At first they called him the "Junkyard Bomber" -- crude, homemade devices, and for 18 years he stumped the experts.

NOEL: He had melted aluminum. He had -- in his devices -- to make particular parts for his devices, and everyone agreed -- the experts -- that you had to have a foundry to do that in. Ted Kaczynski was doing that on a pot-bellied stove.

DORNIN: FBI investigators worried that if Kaczynski figured out they were looking for him, he would lose himself in the mountains of Montana. They later discovered he had three different hideouts in the wilderness.

This one, a lean-to hidden in the mountains above his cabin had provisions hidden near by. Many believed, because of his Manifesto, Kacyznski killed because he hated technology. But there's little evidence of this in his 44,000 pages of manuscripts. The bomb diaries, in numerical code, revealed, not so much a political agenda, but a diatribe showing he was mad at the world and delighted to kill and maim.

Is there a chance that if his brother or somebody hadn't recognized his writings that you might never have found him?

NOEL: I probably never would have found him in my FBI career; eventually, they may have.

DORNIN: His cabin is gone. All that's left is this fence, put up by the FBI, to keep out vandals. Kaczynski, diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, will spend the rest of his life at the Super- max federal prison in Colorado...

QUESTION: Sir, are you the Unabomber?

DORNIN: ...leaving behind a reputation as the most notorious booby-trap bomber in U.S. history.

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Lincoln, Montana.

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COOPER: Amazing story. A number of other stories making headlines right now across country. Erica Hill from "HEADLINE NEWS" joins us with the latest. Hey, Erica.

ERICA HILL, "HEADLINE NEWS": Hey, Anderson, good to see you.

Well, it is now harder -- or, soon will be harder, we should say -- for Americans to wipe out their debts in bankruptcy court. This, after President Bush signed the broadest rewrite of U.S. bankruptcy law in a quarter century. Mr. Bush says the new law will help end abuse of bankruptcy laws. People who can afford to will have to repay some of what they owe. Opponents, however, say it is too harsh on the poor and middle class Americans.

Two grisly mass killings in Iraq. Interim President Jalal Talabani says more than 50 bodies have been recovered from the Tigris River. Women and children were among the dead. It is believed all had been held hostage. And, insurgents killed 20 Iraqi soldiers at a soccer stadium in western Iraq.

The world's biggest iceberg has collided with a glacier in the Antarctic. The crash snapped off a three square mile chunk of ice. Scientists say it's now possible the 100-mile long iceberg is headed back out to sea, and that could be good news, because it's been blocking supply and fuel ships in the region, and had threatened penguin breeding colonies.

And, could money have played a role in the case of the cruise ship that was hit by the 70-foot rogue wave over the weekend? Sources close to Donald Trump's TV show "The Apprentice" tell the "New York Post" Norwegian Cruise Lines paid producers a seven-figure sum to appear in an episode of the show. Now, they implied the captain didn't steer away from the storm because he was under pressure to return to port for the shoot. And, of course, if that's the case, you can imagine, Anderson, someone may be hearing a little something like, "you're fired."

COOPER: You know, I thought you weren't going to go there. I was hoping you weren't going to go there.

HILL: I had to, because if I hadn't, you would have gone. I had to beat you to it.

COOPER: Darn you, Erica Hill. All right, we'll see you again in about 30 minutes. Thanks.

Coming up next on 360, the quest for immortality. Ah, yes. See how far one man is willing to go to live longer. Our 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta has the story. Could it work for you? We'll see.

Also, tonight, meet a woman who survived a savage chimp attack, hear for yourself the 911 tapes and we'll try to find out why no one has been charged in the attack.

Also, a little later tonight, seeing the Virgin Mary. Do you see the apparition there? Find out why hundreds are flocking to an underpass in Illinois. We'll show it to you close up, and you can judge for yourself.

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COOPER: Woody Allen once said "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Sounds like a plan, but there's always that one nagging question, how?

Tonight, 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta introduces us to some people who say, they have the answer of living forever. And you don't need to find the fountain of youth.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fifty- seven-year-old Ray Kurzweil's daily routine -- 250 supplements, 10 cups of green tea, Four miles of brisk walking. All part of his quest for immortality.

RAY KURZWEIL, AUTHOR, "FANTASTIC VOYAGE": The diseases that kill 95 percent of us are not things that just hit us one day walking down the street. You can find out where you are on that process, and stop that process and reverse it fairly readily with the right lifestyle, the right supplements.

GUPTA: That right lifestyle is outlined in "Fantastic Voyage." Live long enough to live forever. Ray is not a doctor, but an award- winning scientist. He and co-author, Dr. Terry Grossman, recommend intravenous supplements for better digestion -- acupuncture and regular biological testing to determine body age. All geared of towards taking advantage of biotechical advances they say are just over the horizon.

KURZWEIL: I expect and hope to be in good shape when we have these powerful new techniques from biotechnology 10, 15 years from now. For example, have devices called the nanobots that can actually perform functions inside our bloodstream, augment our immune systems, destroy pathogens in cancer cells. Enhance our red blood cells, for example, so that we can breathe better.

GUPTA: Sound like science fiction? Well, oddly reminiscent of the 1966 film "Fantastic Voyage" in which scientists travel in vehicles through the blood system. In fact, humans have made giant leaps in life expectancy. Consider this, in 1900 the average American life span was 47 years. By 1960, I had risen to the early '60s. Now life expectancy is 77.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's for headache, earache, toothache...

DR. THOMAS PERLS, BOSTON UNIV. MEDICAL CENTER: We're always going to hear some special potion or nostrum for immortality, and that's not new.

GUPTA: Dr. Thomas Perls, a leading researcher on centenarians, says that living healthier, longer is a good message. But remind them, Ray's plan to do it is another.

PERLS: Much of the book is based upon Ray and Terry's own anecdotal personal experience of what works for them. What the book is asking people to do, is everybody to be a guinea pig. And I think that's very dangerous.

GUPTA: Anti-aging is a multimillion industry. And as Baby Boomers grow older, they want greater control over their own longevity.

KURZWEIL: I would like to keep on living indefinitely. I would like that decision to be in my own hands, and not in the figurative hands of fate.

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GUPTA: And life expectancy for now men 76, for women 79 -- average about 77. Interestingly, Anderson, not everybody wants to live forever. Maybe that doesn't surprise you. But they do say this in universal surveys, they want to live as long as they can in good health -- Anderson.

COOPER: You know, it always surprises me, because the people who are, like, always taking huge amounts of vitamins and stuff, they never look all that great. But that's all my opinion. How much of this is just common sense, though? I mean, some exercise, and eating healthy, getting tested -- is there anything new there?

GUPTA: Well, you know, there's a lot of focus, that is relatively new, on preventive medicine. Trying to fix problems before they occur in the first place. But you know, we're starting to see something here, Anderson, with the supplement industry. A lot of the stuff is not proven. Any doctor, any scientist will tell you that. But the coenzyme Q10, that they talk about, the Ginko Biloba, the grape seed extract -- all these things that he takes everyday, a lot of that we just don't know what it does. But we're starting to get the sense that maybe it does something in terms of their anti-oxidant properties. How long it's going to make you live, though, we have to wait and see.

COOPER: Well, you know, even if prevention and screening is good, isn't it expensive to be this medically conscious, I mean, taking all the tests, going through those MRI's all the time?

GUPTA: Yes, and you know, when we used to say that about the way we are now 10 years ago. We thought that when you described all the tests we go through nowadays, that was too expensive. And it may be still the case. You know, we're trying now to see -- cut costs in the healthcare system. Ray's plan, for example, cost about $1,700, but just for that initial two-day evaluation, $5,000. Is it worth it? You know, statin medications, all these MRI's that we go through nowadays, they're expensive. Maybe it is.

COOPER: Not cheap. Everyone has to make up their own mind.

All right, 360 M.D., Sanjay Gupta, thanks.

The Virgin Mary in Illinois? Hundreds of faithful flock to an underpass apparition. Tonight judge for yourself. See the mark some are calling a miracle.

And chimp attack survivors. Her thumb was ripped off. Her husband nearly killed by chimps gone wild. How come no charges have been filed nearly two months after the unbelievable animal attack. 360 continues.

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COOPER: Chimps break out of captivity. Savagely attack a married couple. Dramatic calls for help caught on tape, 360 next.

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COOPER: It was chimps like these that caused a vicious attack, out of the blue, last month at an animal sanctuary in California. As we reported then, two chimpanzees freed from their cages pounced on a man and began ripping his body apart -- tearing at his foot, his face, his testicles. Yesterday prosecutors announced they would not press charges against the sanctuary's owners, saying that the chimps figured out how to escape from the cages all on their own. But today investigators insisted that keepers failed to lock two cage doors. Meanwhile the victim remains unconscious and is still clinging to life.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fire department, what is the address of your emergency?

MARK CARRUTHERS, SON-IN-LAW OF SANCTUARY OWNERS: Yes, ma'am, I need an ambulance here immediately. The Animal Haven Chimpanzee Sanctuary.

COOPER (voice-over): It was clear something awful had happened at the Animal Haven Ranch. You could tell by the terror in the voice of the caller to the Kern County California Fire Department and by the sounds of the chimpanzees screeching in the background.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A chimpanzee?

CARRUTHERS: A man's been attacked by two chimpanzees. He is very critical.

COOPER; St. James Davis and his wife La Donna were visiting their own chimp, Mo, bringing him a birthday cake when other chimps escaped from their cages and two went on the attack. They bit La Donna on the hand, then turned on St. James nearly killing the former NASCAR driver.

CARRUTHERS: Five-month-old daughter, I have locked in my room here while they're running around. OK, baby. Hold on girl.

Now again, there are two chimp...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you with the patient now, Mark.

CARRUTHERSUNIDENTIFIED MALE: Excuse me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you with the patient?

CARRUTHERS: No. I am not not, ma'am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

CARRUTHERS: This is a cordless phone. But I believe we'll get disconnected if I take it out there.

COOPER: The panicked voice on the telephone belongs to Mark Carruthers, son-in-law of the sanctuary's owners Ralph and Virginia Brower (ph). He witnessed the attack and may have saved St. James Davis' life.

CARRUTHERS: Look, there are still two chimpanzee's loose. They are not dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

CARRUTHERS: The two that did attack him are down, I have just shot them.

COOPER: As St. James lay bleeding on the ground, a breathless Mark tries to describe the magnitude of the mauled man's injury to the 911 operator.

CARRUTHERS: Tell me his injuries and repeat them! They need to know!

They tore out his eye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They tore out his eye?

CARRUTHERS: What's that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Left hand.

CARRUTHERS: Left hand.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Left foot.

CARRUTHERS: Left foot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The left foot?

CARRUTHERS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. All right. I'm going to give to you some instructions and tell you how to help them. I need you to relay this for me, OK Mark?

COOPER: And he does, shouting instructions as St. James Davis' wife who worked feverishly to keep her husband alive.

CARRUTHERS: La Donna!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Go ahead.

CARRUTHERS: I want you to take these towels, apply pressure, as even pressure you can to all of those wounds and leave them there, OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't lift them up.

CARRUTHERS: And put all of the wounds that you can and apply pressure and hold them there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Now, are we getting some of that bleeding controlled?

CARRUTHERS: La Donna! Put the pressure on the wounds. Stay there with him. You need to stay there with him and apply pressure to those wounds!

COOPER: More than a month and a dozen surgeries later, St. James Davis remains in the hospital in a medically induced coma, fighting for his life.

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COOPER: Well no charges have been brought at this point. We're going take talk about the legal aspect of this case a little bit later on.

La Donna Davis joins me now from Los Angeles with her attorney Gloria Allred. It's good to see both of you.

La Donna, let me start off with you. Take us back. You were there with your husband. You were visiting your chimp Mo. You were giving a birthday party, cake and chocolate milk as I recall. All of a sudden you heard something behind you. What happened then?

LA DONNA DAVIS, HUSBAND ATTACKED BY CHIMPS: Basically, I was turning to cut me a small piece of cake. The cake was still in the box, by the way, because the box was going to be shared with the rest of the animals in the compound. So I was turning to cut my little piece of cake. When I heard a rustling noise to the side of me.

And as I thought, well OK, I should check it out. Because at that period of time it was very quiet. There was no movement anywhere. I didn't have any noise. There was nothing to indicate that there was going to be a problem.

And when I turned in a quiet fashion to see what it was. I realized that there were animals above us coming down toward the compound area that we were in which was very secluded, and very quiet at that time.

COOPER: How fast were they moving?

DAVIS: Once they made the motion around the house, and they came into our area. I must have heard them maybe hit something, something that rustles a little noise that made me look over. And once we -- once they saw who we were, and that we were there, there was little time to do anything. It was -- it was a full out charge.

COOPER: You looked in the animal's eyes. You knew there was going to be trouble.

DAVIS: I knew he was not a happy animal. I knew that he had a look that is something to be in awe about.

COOPER: And you were attacked first. He took your finger.

DAVIS: Yes. As he -- as I-- when turning back around to try and tell my husband and get things organized, the attack was really on at that time. And he came up behind me and knocked me into my husband. And as I'm going down, he must have come around to the front of me not knowing what to do. And I put my arm up. And that's when he -- his body must have come around and he just cracked off the left thumb.

COOPER: He bit it off?

DAVIS: He bit it off, yes.

COOPER: And then the -- went to your husband. What happened then?

DAVIS: My husband must have realized that this was something very, very bad, because as everything is falling, we never knocked over the table or the cake or any of the party favors. We never knocked any of that over. The cake was still in the box.

He pushed me backwards as everything is kind of coming down and I actually knocked the chair over that was sitting for me. And when he knocked me backwards, they just kind of passed me up. And went -- one -- the big male went to my husband's face. And the smaller male went to his back and lower foot and began to -- and began to pull him literally apart right there.

I could tell my husband was trying to keep things under control. He didn't yell to antagonize the situation. He pulled his extremities in to protect himself. There was very little time to -- there was no recourse for safety. The attack was on. And it was -- it was horrendous to say the least.

COOPER: La Donna, I am going to give you just moment to catch your breath. We're going to take a short break. And when we come back, we're going to talk again with you and also with Gloria Allred, your attorney about why no charges have been filed at this point in this case. And we also want to talk about your husband, how he is doing now. We'll be right back with that in a moment.

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COOPER: It's been nearly seven weeks since a pair of chimpanzees broke from their cage at a California sanctuary and attacked St. James and La Donna Davis. As you heard before the break, St. James was severely mauled. He is still in critical condition.

Once again, La Donna Davis joins us from Los Angeles with her attorney Gloria Allred. Again, appreciate both of you being with us. La Donna, I know this is tough for you.

I mean you are in the midst of this attack, your finger has been bitten off, your husband is being attacked by these two chimpanzees. Were you conscious, you were seeing this? What happened?

DAVIS: Yes, I was conscious. And yes I was seeing this. And I think -- I was trying to observe what my husband was going to do. And he was keeping very silent, keeping extremities in. Myself, I believe I -- somewhere in that, I was seeking help, seeking help from wherever I could get it at.

And eventually the son-in-law came out of the home, realized what was happening and went back in to get a gun. And came back out, approached where we were. And had to wait for several seconds to get a proper shot at the animal as to miss my husband.

After the large male was shot, I'm not quite sure -- Ralph -- Mark, the son-in-law, had to go back into the house for another round of ammunition, and I must have followed him somewhat to tell him to please hurry. The second chimp pulled my husband by the foot, down about a 30-foot path, and into the dirt parking area to continue the mauling on the left foot, and also put a gash in my husband's back, just below the shoulder blade all the way to his buttocks, about six inches deep and four inches wide. Before Mark came back out with his daughter in his arms, baby daughter, to put the second gunshot into the second chimp.

COOPER: So, even after that first chimp had been shot, the other chimp was still attacking, and is that the point when the chimp took your husband's foot?

DAVIS: Yes. He dragged him by the foot from the upper area, foot only -- and my husband's a big man -- all the way down to the lower level of the parking lot.

COOPER: Gloria Allred, the district attorney's office released this statement. It says, "This is a terrible, tragic accident which no one could have anticipated. Had there been some evidence that the chimpanzees escaped before or that Mrs. Brower was aware that the lock could be manipulated" -- she owns this facility -- "a misdemeanor prosecution might be appropriate; however, there was no such evidence."

Do you believe this was just a tragic accident?

GLORIA ALLRED, ATTORNEY: Well, Anderson, all I can tell you is that the sheriff held a news conference today, and said that, in his report to the district attorney, that he made a finding that there was a failure to secure the interior and exterior door. So, to us, it's obvious that there was, at least, at the minimum, negligence, and we're curious about the facts that convinced the district attorney to decide to blame the chimps, rather than to blame humans who failed to provide adequate locks that could not be jimmied by chimps.

COOPER: La Donna, how is your husband doing? I mean, his left foot is gone. He was mauled in his face, his testicles were taken.

DAVIS: He has undergone about four surgeries on his left foot, and at this time, it is still in a recovery stage. If it hasn't -- if it does not recover, they will have to amputate at the knee. His right hand is still being looked at and tended to, and is in a delicate position right now. The left hand is going to have to be his "using" hand, which has -- which has a baby finger and a thumb. The middle fingers are severed.

ALLRED: May I just say, Anderson, too, that we think of Mr. Davis as a real hero. We think that perhaps he pushed her aside in order to take the brunt of the attack himself, to save his wife, and she also is such a heroine, because, despite the trauma that she suffered, witnessing her husband being torn apart by chimpanzees, she goes to the hospital every day to spend many hours with her husband, at his bedside. And even though he's unconscious still, she talks to him, she is there to love him, to support him, and she keeps telling him she wants him to live, and she wants him to be with her, no matter what condition he ultimately is in.

COOPER: Well, La Donna, I can't imagine what you have been going through, and we wish you the best, and your husband the best, as well, and our thoughts and prayers are with you both at this time. Appreciate you being with us, La Donna and Gloria Allred, as well. Thank you so much.

DAVIS: Thank you.

ALLRED: Thank you, Anderson.

COOPER: Want to take a look very quickly -- we've got some other stories making headlines. Erica Hill has the latest with that. Erica?

HILL: Hi, Anderson.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Russia must go further in developing a democratic society. She met with President Vladimir Putin for two hours in Moscow today. Earlier, in a radio interview, Secretary Rice urged Putin to relax his tight grip on power, and said Russian media needs to be free of Kremlin pressure.

Pope Benedict XVI made his first appearance outside Vatican City today. He returned briefly to his apartment nearby in Rome, where cheering crowds had gathered. The new pontiff greeted some of the well-wishers. He told reporters, as he was leaving to return to the Vatican that he is truly moved by his election.

In Ecuador, congress voted to remove President Lucio Gutierrez from office today, following a week of escalating street protests. Last night, as many as 30,000 people marched on the presidential palace. Opponents accuse Gutierrez of trying to control Ecuador's courts and congress. A warrant has been issued for his arrest. Meantime, the country's vice president was sworn in to replace him.

And, a man who says he's a Vietnam veteran, stood in line at a book signing for 90 minutes to spit tobacco juice in Jane Fonda's face. Michael Smith calls Fonda a traitor for the trip she made to Hanoi in 1972, during which she was photographed on a Vietnamese anti- aircraft tank. Fonda recently called the episode a, quote, "betrayal of the American military," and said it was a lapse of judgment.

And, Anderson, that is the latest from "HEADLINE NEWS" at this hour. Back to you.

COOPER: All right, Erica -- and do you like elephants, Erica?

HILL: I love elephants.

COOPER: All right, well, you are going to like this next video, though, and it's nice to have a lighter animal story after that horrible story we were just having about the chimps.

In Seoul, South Korea, six elephants that were part of a zoo's parade escaped, after one of them apparently became startled and bolted; the others followed. Eventually, all were caught, but before that, they roamed the city and three of them crashed their way into a restaurant. It was all caught on tape. Take a look. OK, now, to be honest, I have watched this video, now, about 20 times, and there's so many things I find odd about it. I just want to show it to you again, and just point out some of the stranger things about it. And, again, no one was injured; it could have been much worse. But it's bizarre. Take a look.

OK, first of all, who are these guys? Turquoise cowboys? Are there a lot of turquoise cowboys in Seoul, Korea?

Check out this guy, with a chain, see him? He's going to play an important role later on.

I guess they're the -- the elephant handlers, but clearly, they don't really seem to know how to handle these elephants. That woman just emerged from beneath the elephants. I'm not sure where she was. She was wise to get out. A lot of people standing around, not sure what to do. The most confused seem to be these elephant handlers, these turquoise cowboys. At least they match the elephants.

Look at this guy -- there's the guy -- he used to have the chain. He's now got a stick in his hand. This guy is my favorite. Look at him, he decides he's going to be helpful by just whacking the elephant. Yes, that helps a lot. Thanks, appreciate that.

Oh, that guy checks his fly just to make sure. Always good to check the fly when the elephants are on a rampage. In the midst of a rampage, check your fly, rule number one.

360 next, the sighting of the Virgin Mary. In a moment, a close- up look at the apparition that has the faithful flocking in Illinois.

And, a little later, Ann Coulter -- she's on the cover of "Time," but is she happy? No. We'll tell you why.

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COOPER: Well take a look -- imagination or divine intervention. A plain old stain or a sign from above? The faithful are flocking, to of all places, an underpass in Chicago, where they believe the Virgin Mary is making a very special appearance. Some say it's just salt runoff on a concrete wall, others insist it's a vision of the Blessed Mary.

This story of the Virgin Mary has been one of the most popular stories on CNN.com all day. Every day, 360's Rudi Bakhtiar looks into the Web stories to bring us an angle you won't find anywhere else.

Rudi, what did you find out?

RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, Virgin Mary sightings, like this one in Chicago are nothing new. In fact, they've been documented for centuries. And often associated with prophecies and healings.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) BAKHTIAR (voice-over): Take a close look at this window in the Florida office building -- see anything familiar? What about this tree limb in a California cemetery, or this fence post in Australia? Many have looked at these same images and seen the Virgin Mary. Apparitions of the Virgin Mary have been reported for centuries, but only a handful have been authenticated by the Catholic Church. The first one dating back to 1531 in Guadalupe, Mexico.

Another occurred in 1858 in Lourdes, France a small village in the foothills of the Pyrenees, where it's said that the Madonna appeared before a teenage girl named Bernadette. Today, nearly five million believers make the pilgrimage to Lourdes every year, some hoping to be cured of their illness, others simply coming to pray. The 20th century has seen a big increase in reports of Virgin Mary apparitions. 1917 Fatima, Portugal, three children say they got a message from the Virgin, and tens of thousands claim they saw light in the sky.

Randall Sullivan, author of "The Miracle Detective" has investigated Virgin Mary apparitions around the world. I asked him why people flock to these sightings?

RANDALL SULLIVAN, AUTHOR, "THE MIRACLE DETECTIVE": Well, people want affirmation of their faith. Everyone wants some visible sign.

BAKHTIAR: Of the apparitions that are not yet church approved, Medugorje, Bosnia is perhaps the most famous. Millions of all faiths have visited since the apparitions were first reported in 1981. Of the more recent sightings closer to home, Campbell, Ohio, some saw the eyes of this Virgin Mary statue glowing. The Virgin was also spotted on the window of this office building in Clearwater, Florida. And this woman sold her 10-year-old grilled cheese sandwich with the image of the Virgin Mary for $28,000 to an online casino. But the legions of the faithful who visit Mary's shrines every year hold little sway with church officials.

SULLIVAN: The church dismisses the vast majority of these things, and even those that they say may be credible. They generally pull the visionaries or the seers aside, and say this is a personal private thing for you, and you shouldn't speak of it to others. And we don't want a cult of devotion to grow up around this.

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BAKHTIAR: And so far, Anderson, only three of these -- of apparitions have been authenticate by the church. It's actually a really long process. It took them 70 to 80 years to authenticate Fatima in Portugal. What they do is, believe it or not, they bring in a psychologist first to actually talk to the person who says I've seen this, and make sure that they're stable -- of stable mind, and that they're not trying to pull a prank. And then they bring in scientists. They bring in theologians. They bring in all sorts of people from very different levels and it takes years and years.

COOPER: All right. We'll see what happens here in Illinois. Rudi Bakhtiar, thanks very much. Now, let's find out what is coming up on the top of the hour on "PAULA ZAHN NOW." Hey, Paula.

PAULA ZAHN, HOST "PAULA ZAHN NOW": Hi, Anderson. We're going to start our night off with an extremely disturbing question -- was the Oklahoma City bombing part of a larger conspiracy?

You don't want to miss my exclusive conversation with Terry Nichols ex-wife.

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LANA PADILLA, FORMER WIFE OF OKLAHOMA CITY BOMB CONSPIRATOR TERRY NICHOLS: I truly believe that McVeigh had threatened Terry and his family, and was capable of hurting them.

ZAHN: Threatened him if he got out?

PADILLA: If he backed out. Terry would have protected his family. So, if there was any danger, he would be doing it not so much for himself, but for his family.

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ZAHN: More from my exclusive talk with Terry Nichols ex-wife at the top of the hour. As well as a message to the country from Nichols himself, and a chilling one at that.

COOPER: Fascinating. That's about five minutes from now. Paula, thanks very much.

ZAHN: Thank you.

COOPER: Coming up next on 360, Ann Coulter on the cover of "Time," but is she happy? No, that wouldn't get as much attention as being unhappy, now would it. We'll talk about that ahead.

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COOPER: Tonight taking the lens of the beholder to "The Nth Degree."

Ann Coulter, the made-for-cable liberal-seeking missile of the conservative movement is miffed. Not because she's on the cover of "Time" magazine -- who'd be miffed about that? -- but because of the way she's presented thereon. Her legs have been made to look much longer and thinner than they actually are, she says. And her body therefore seems ridiculously small by comparison, while the opposite is true of her feet -- which appear gigantic and as sharp as a pair of prisoners shanks.

She doesn't outright say so, but we're certainly invited to think of this distortion as being part of a left-wing plot. Because, after all, what isn't? By the way, we understand Miss Coulter still hasn't forgiven Pablo Picasso, who not only elongated those legs of hers, but apparently, also gave her an extra one while he was at it. Or the sculptor Alberto Giacometti, who like the "Time" magazine cover photographer, played fast and loose with her overall dimensions. And then to add insult to injury made her look to be a figure teased out of chopped liver. Yes, well, of course, needless to say Giacometti and Picasso, were both well-known radical leftists.

I'm Anderson Cooper. Thanks very much for watching 360 this evening. CNN's prime time coverage continues now with Paula Zahn. Hey Paula.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Enemy within: are homegrown terrorists a bigger threat to you than al Qaeda? Tonight, meet a white supremacist who wants to build an alliance with bin Laden.

The Virgin Mary in Illinois? Hundreds of faithful flock to an underpass apparition. Tonight, judge for yourself. See the mark some are calling a miracle.

And chimp-attack survivors: her thumb was ripped off, her husband nearly killed by chimps gone wild. How come no charges have been filed nearly two months after the unbelievable animal attack?

ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

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COOPER: Good evening again. For three-and-a-half years, we've been worried in this country about foreign terrorists. But here is a startling fact. CNN today learned there are more than 300 active FBI field investigations targeting 22 domestic terror organizations. We're talking about a variety of groups, but notably white supremacists -- including the National Alliance and the Aryan Nations.

And there are worries those domestic groups may be trying to reach out to foreign terrorists as well. CNN's Rick Sanchez sat down with the leader of the Aryan Nations and heard his chilling offer to al Qaeda. We are warning you some of this is full of hate and disturbing.

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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): August Kreis is a white supremacist and the leader of a group of the Aryan Nations -- not someone you would think would be making a common cause with the Islamic terrorists who attacked the U.S. on 9/11.

AUGUST KREIS, ARYAN NATIONS: You say they are terrorists, I say they are freedom fighters. And I want to instill the same jihadic feeling in our people's heart, in the Aryan race, that they have for their father who they call Allah.

SANCHEZ: Kreis, who is trying to build this unholy alliance between al Qaeda and the Aryan Nations from of all places, Florida. (on camera): I want to show you something that's ironic about this particular story in relation to the state of Florida. This is Palm Beach County Airport, one of the places where Mohammed Atta, the supposed mastermind of the 9/11 attack, came to try to learn to fly one of these planes.

And now we're in the orange groves of Central Florida. This is where Aryan Nations has now set up shop. And there's more. This is where Aryan Nations' leader is now thanking al Qaeda and praising those very same hijackers that we just told you about.

You want Americans to appreciate the efforts of the very people who attacked us on 9/11.

KREIS: I don't believe that they were the ones that attacked us. And even if they did, even if you are saying they did, I don't care. I don't care. We have no say in this country now. We Aryan, the Aryan race has no say anymore in a country that our forefathers fought and died for.

SANCHEZ: From its compound in Idaho, Aryan Nations used to be one of the most feared extremist groups. Its ideology is very anti- Semitic and anti-government. It calls the government ZOG, which stands for Zionist Occupation Government.

(on camera): What is August Kreis and the Aryan Nations' main goal?

KREIS: The end goal would be a white United States, the whole country, white only.

SANCHEZ: Which would seem to rule out any sympathy with Arabs or Muslims. So then what connects them? Simply put, a hatred of Jews and the U.S. government.

Aryan Nations' followers have held marches, been convicted of robbing banks, even of shooting children at a Jewish community center in Los Angeles. But then a civil suit stripped the organization of its headquarters and its founder Richard Butler died.

In steps August Kreis, first from Pennsylvania.

(on camera): In Pennsylvania, there were some officials, one of which called you a village idiot.

KREIS: Well, I don't really care what titles or tags they want to put on me. You know I'm no idiot. You might think I'm radical to the extreme, but you know I'm no idiot.

SANCHEZ (voice-over): Kreis, who says he lives on a military disability pension, recently moved to Sebring, Florida, where he's been trying to rebuild Aryan Nations by promoting an alliance with the likes of al Qaeda especially over the Internet.

However, he didn't want us to visit his house, fearing trouble from his neighbors. So he met us at a local park. (on camera): How many people do you think out there in America agree with your ideology.

KREIS: I have no idea. I have no idea.

SANCHEZ: Give me a guess.

KREIS: I have no idea. I don't want to -- if they believe in my philosophy, I don't really even want them to call me or contact me.

SANCHEZ: Why?

KREIS: Why?

SANCHEZ: Why?

KREIS: Because I don't want them identified. What do you think the lone-wolfism is all about?

SANCHEZ: This is how it's going to work from now on?

KREIS: This is the way it's going to work from now on.

SANCHEZ: Lone-wolfism is the idea that domestic terrorists can act on their own or in small cells, as in the case of Timothy McVeigh when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City ten years ago.

The idea of an alliance between neo-Nazi and Islamic extremists is actually not at all new -- it dates back to contacts between Hitler, the Third Reich and the Muslim Brotherhood, the very genesis of al Qaeda itself.

We contacted FBI officials who tell us they are trying to keep an eye out for neo-Nazis trying to make contact with jihadis. But they say so far they have not seen any evidence of it.

Those who monitor hate groups call it a dangerous proposition.

MARK POTOK, SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER: The notion of radical Islamists from abroad actually getting together with American neo- Nazis I think is an absolutely frightening one. It's just that so far we really have no evidence at all to suggest that this is any kind of real collaboration.

SANCHEZ: It's not clear that August Kreis's alliance exists anywhere except in his own mind and on the Internet. But he's hoping someone, somewhere in al Qaeda is listening.

Rick Sanchez, CNN, Sebring, Florida.

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COOPER: Well our special series "Enemy Within" continues in a moment with the lone wolf, the Unabomber. See for the first time exclusive pictures into the shack where Ted Kaczynski plotted murder and mayhem. Plus, new details on what may have drove him to terror. Also ahead tonight, a shocking chimp attack. They bit off a woman's finger, nearly killed her husband, ripped his face off. Tonight, an update. Why has no one been charged?

Also ahead tonight: One man's quest for immortality. His routine that he says could add years to your life. Our 360 MD Sanjay Gupta shares his secrets. All that ahead. First, your picks of the most popular stories on CNN.com right now.

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COOPER: Well, that's how the terror ended. April, 1996 Ted Kaczynski, the so-called Unabomber, arrested after 18 years, 16 attacks, three people dead, 29 others injured.

Today in Salt Lake City, one of those 29 injured, Gary Wright, who had 200 pieces of shrapnel removed from his body in three separate surgeries, and spent years in and out of casts, joined with David Kaczynski, the brother of the Unabomber, to address some high school kids on the subject of forgiveness.

Tonight, Rusty Dornin has exclusive photos, ones you've never seen before, inside the shack where the Unabomber plotted to kill.

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RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In his remote 10-by-12 mountainside shack -- no plumbing, no electricity -- a rare glimpse of the primitive lifestyle of Unabomber Ted Kaczynski in these previously unpublished evidence photos.

He lived on less than $300 a year, shooting snowshoe rabbits and eating roots and vegetables. Three antique typewriters were found in the cabin. A meticulous record-keeper, Kaczynski wrote down every detail of his bombings, providing keys to nearly all of the Unabomber puzzles, like why he quit his bombing spree for six years from '87 to '93.

MAX NOEL, FORMER FBI AGENT: And, in his writings, he said he was completely frustrated. Why did these two bombs not -- constructed exactly the same -- why were they ineffective? And -- so, he took the time off to develop what he considered to be a bomb that could kill effectively.

DORNIN: In his cabin, hung the gray sweatshirt investigators believe when he was wearing when a witness spotted him in 1987 planting a bomb in Salt Lake City. She described him as having blonde hair and glasses. One of the lead investigators, former FBI Agent Max Noel says Kaczynski would collect blonde hair from restroom washbasins.

NOEL: He would bring it home, catalog it, clean it, and then he would tape it inside the bomb as he was constructing it, hoping...

DORNIN: ...hoping to fool investigators into thinking the bomb- maker was blonde. Kaczynski was filthy, dressed in tatters on the night of his arrest. On the right, in the baseball cap, FBI Agent Max Noel. Noel and three other agents spent nearly three months in the tiny town of Lincoln, Montana, waiting for the right moment to nab Kaczynski.

NOEL: Butch came up here and we checked the road to make sure there weren't any fresh footprints, and checked the canyon here to make sure he hadn't come out during the evening.

DORNIN: And he never left the cabin?

NOEL: He never left the area of the cabin for three months.

DORNIN: They figured he was in there building a bomb. Hoping to avoid a bloody standoff, investigators wanted to grab Kaczynski as he rode this bicycle to town, but those plans were spoiled when a television network threatened to identify Kaczynski as the Unabomber suspect in April of '96. They had to go in.

Noel and Forest Ranger Jerry Burns, now retired, took us back to that moment. They said they disguised themselves at mining company surveyors along with another FBI agent, Tom McDaniels.

JERRY BURNS, US FOREST SERVICE (RET.): We came in under the pretext of checking his property lines because there had been some mining claims that had been filed.

DORNIN: When they got close to the cabin, Burns yelled out to Kaczynski from outside, and asked him to show them where his property line was.

BURNS: Ted opened the door, stuck his head out and one hand on the door sill, and I grabbed his hand real quick, and I pulled him, and out he came, and Tom McDaniels put him in a head lock.

DORNIN: When were you sure you found the Unabomber?

NOEL: When I heard the cry go up, from his cabin, of the search team, after we had taken him down to the Williams cabin. I knew they were yelling because they discovered something that was critical to the case.

DORNIN: It was this, wrapped and ready, a fragmentation bomb Kaczynski had hidden under his bed. Investigators say it was his largest and most sophisticated.

Kaczynski sent his first bomb to the University of Illinois in 1978. By the time forestry executive Gilbert Murray was killed in Sacramento in '95, three people had died, 29 injured.

At first they called him the "Junkyard Bomber" -- crude, homemade devices, and for 18 years he stumped the experts.

NOEL: He had melted aluminum. He had -- in his devices -- to make particular parts for his devices, and everyone agreed -- the experts -- that you had to have a foundry to do that in. Ted Kaczynski was doing that on a pot-bellied stove.

DORNIN: FBI investigators worried that if Kaczynski figured out they were looking for him, he would lose himself in the mountains of Montana. They later discovered he had three different hideouts in the wilderness.

This one, a lean-to hidden in the mountains above his cabin had provisions hidden near by. Many believed, because of his Manifesto, Kacyznski killed because he hated technology. But there's little evidence of this in his 44,000 pages of manuscripts. The bomb diaries, in numerical code, revealed, not so much a political agenda, but a diatribe showing he was mad at the world and delighted to kill and maim.

Is there a chance that if his brother or somebody hadn't recognized his writings that you might never have found him?

NOEL: I probably never would have found him in my FBI career; eventually, they may have.

DORNIN: His cabin is gone. All that's left is this fence, put up by the FBI, to keep out vandals. Kaczynski, diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, will spend the rest of his life at the Super- max federal prison in Colorado...

QUESTION: Sir, are you the Unabomber?

DORNIN: ...leaving behind a reputation as the most notorious booby-trap bomber in U.S. history.

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Lincoln, Montana.

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COOPER: Amazing story. A number of other stories making headlines right now across country. Erica Hill from "HEADLINE NEWS" joins us with the latest. Hey, Erica.

ERICA HILL, "HEADLINE NEWS": Hey, Anderson, good to see you.

Well, it is now harder -- or, soon will be harder, we should say -- for Americans to wipe out their debts in bankruptcy court. This, after President Bush signed the broadest rewrite of U.S. bankruptcy law in a quarter century. Mr. Bush says the new law will help end abuse of bankruptcy laws. People who can afford to will have to repay some of what they owe. Opponents, however, say it is too harsh on the poor and middle class Americans.

Two grisly mass killings in Iraq. Interim President Jalal Talabani says more than 50 bodies have been recovered from the Tigris River. Women and children were among the dead. It is believed all had been held hostage. And, insurgents killed 20 Iraqi soldiers at a soccer stadium in western Iraq.

The world's biggest iceberg has collided with a glacier in the Antarctic. The crash snapped off a three square mile chunk of ice. Scientists say it's now possible the 100-mile long iceberg is headed back out to sea, and that could be good news, because it's been blocking supply and fuel ships in the region, and had threatened penguin breeding colonies.

And, could money have played a role in the case of the cruise ship that was hit by the 70-foot rogue wave over the weekend? Sources close to Donald Trump's TV show "The Apprentice" tell the "New York Post" Norwegian Cruise Lines paid producers a seven-figure sum to appear in an episode of the show. Now, they implied the captain didn't steer away from the storm because he was under pressure to return to port for the shoot. And, of course, if that's the case, you can imagine, Anderson, someone may be hearing a little something like, "you're fired."

COOPER: You know, I thought you weren't going to go there. I was hoping you weren't going to go there.

HILL: I had to, because if I hadn't, you would have gone. I had to beat you to it.

COOPER: Darn you, Erica Hill. All right, we'll see you again in about 30 minutes. Thanks.

Coming up next on 360, the quest for immortality. Ah, yes. See how far one man is willing to go to live longer. Our 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta has the story. Could it work for you? We'll see.

Also, tonight, meet a woman who survived a savage chimp attack, hear for yourself the 911 tapes and we'll try to find out why no one has been charged in the attack.

Also, a little later tonight, seeing the Virgin Mary. Do you see the apparition there? Find out why hundreds are flocking to an underpass in Illinois. We'll show it to you close up, and you can judge for yourself.

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COOPER: Woody Allen once said "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Sounds like a plan, but there's always that one nagging question, how?

Tonight, 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta introduces us to some people who say, they have the answer of living forever. And you don't need to find the fountain of youth.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fifty- seven-year-old Ray Kurzweil's daily routine -- 250 supplements, 10 cups of green tea, Four miles of brisk walking. All part of his quest for immortality.

RAY KURZWEIL, AUTHOR, "FANTASTIC VOYAGE": The diseases that kill 95 percent of us are not things that just hit us one day walking down the street. You can find out where you are on that process, and stop that process and reverse it fairly readily with the right lifestyle, the right supplements.

GUPTA: That right lifestyle is outlined in "Fantastic Voyage." Live long enough to live forever. Ray is not a doctor, but an award- winning scientist. He and co-author, Dr. Terry Grossman, recommend intravenous supplements for better digestion -- acupuncture and regular biological testing to determine body age. All geared of towards taking advantage of biotechical advances they say are just over the horizon.

KURZWEIL: I expect and hope to be in good shape when we have these powerful new techniques from biotechnology 10, 15 years from now. For example, have devices called the nanobots that can actually perform functions inside our bloodstream, augment our immune systems, destroy pathogens in cancer cells. Enhance our red blood cells, for example, so that we can breathe better.

GUPTA: Sound like science fiction? Well, oddly reminiscent of the 1966 film "Fantastic Voyage" in which scientists travel in vehicles through the blood system. In fact, humans have made giant leaps in life expectancy. Consider this, in 1900 the average American life span was 47 years. By 1960, I had risen to the early '60s. Now life expectancy is 77.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's for headache, earache, toothache...

DR. THOMAS PERLS, BOSTON UNIV. MEDICAL CENTER: We're always going to hear some special potion or nostrum for immortality, and that's not new.

GUPTA: Dr. Thomas Perls, a leading researcher on centenarians, says that living healthier, longer is a good message. But remind them, Ray's plan to do it is another.

PERLS: Much of the book is based upon Ray and Terry's own anecdotal personal experience of what works for them. What the book is asking people to do, is everybody to be a guinea pig. And I think that's very dangerous.

GUPTA: Anti-aging is a multimillion industry. And as Baby Boomers grow older, they want greater control over their own longevity.

KURZWEIL: I would like to keep on living indefinitely. I would like that decision to be in my own hands, and not in the figurative hands of fate.

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GUPTA: And life expectancy for now men 76, for women 79 -- average about 77. Interestingly, Anderson, not everybody wants to live forever. Maybe that doesn't surprise you. But they do say this in universal surveys, they want to live as long as they can in good health -- Anderson.

COOPER: You know, it always surprises me, because the people who are, like, always taking huge amounts of vitamins and stuff, they never look all that great. But that's all my opinion. How much of this is just common sense, though? I mean, some exercise, and eating healthy, getting tested -- is there anything new there?

GUPTA: Well, you know, there's a lot of focus, that is relatively new, on preventive medicine. Trying to fix problems before they occur in the first place. But you know, we're starting to see something here, Anderson, with the supplement industry. A lot of the stuff is not proven. Any doctor, any scientist will tell you that. But the coenzyme Q10, that they talk about, the Ginko Biloba, the grape seed extract -- all these things that he takes everyday, a lot of that we just don't know what it does. But we're starting to get the sense that maybe it does something in terms of their anti-oxidant properties. How long it's going to make you live, though, we have to wait and see.

COOPER: Well, you know, even if prevention and screening is good, isn't it expensive to be this medically conscious, I mean, taking all the tests, going through those MRI's all the time?

GUPTA: Yes, and you know, when we used to say that about the way we are now 10 years ago. We thought that when you described all the tests we go through nowadays, that was too expensive. And it may be still the case. You know, we're trying now to see -- cut costs in the healthcare system. Ray's plan, for example, cost about $1,700, but just for that initial two-day evaluation, $5,000. Is it worth it? You know, statin medications, all these MRI's that we go through nowadays, they're expensive. Maybe it is.

COOPER: Not cheap. Everyone has to make up their own mind.

All right, 360 M.D., Sanjay Gupta, thanks.

The Virgin Mary in Illinois? Hundreds of faithful flock to an underpass apparition. Tonight judge for yourself. See the mark some are calling a miracle.

And chimp attack survivors. Her thumb was ripped off. Her husband nearly killed by chimps gone wild. How come no charges have been filed nearly two months after the unbelievable animal attack. 360 continues.

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COOPER: Chimps break out of captivity. Savagely attack a married couple. Dramatic calls for help caught on tape, 360 next.

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COOPER: It was chimps like these that caused a vicious attack, out of the blue, last month at an animal sanctuary in California. As we reported then, two chimpanzees freed from their cages pounced on a man and began ripping his body apart -- tearing at his foot, his face, his testicles. Yesterday prosecutors announced they would not press charges against the sanctuary's owners, saying that the chimps figured out how to escape from the cages all on their own. But today investigators insisted that keepers failed to lock two cage doors. Meanwhile the victim remains unconscious and is still clinging to life.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fire department, what is the address of your emergency?

MARK CARRUTHERS, SON-IN-LAW OF SANCTUARY OWNERS: Yes, ma'am, I need an ambulance here immediately. The Animal Haven Chimpanzee Sanctuary.

COOPER (voice-over): It was clear something awful had happened at the Animal Haven Ranch. You could tell by the terror in the voice of the caller to the Kern County California Fire Department and by the sounds of the chimpanzees screeching in the background.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A chimpanzee?

CARRUTHERS: A man's been attacked by two chimpanzees. He is very critical.

COOPER; St. James Davis and his wife La Donna were visiting their own chimp, Mo, bringing him a birthday cake when other chimps escaped from their cages and two went on the attack. They bit La Donna on the hand, then turned on St. James nearly killing the former NASCAR driver.

CARRUTHERS: Five-month-old daughter, I have locked in my room here while they're running around. OK, baby. Hold on girl.

Now again, there are two chimp...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you with the patient now, Mark.

CARRUTHERSUNIDENTIFIED MALE: Excuse me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you with the patient?

CARRUTHERS: No. I am not not, ma'am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

CARRUTHERS: This is a cordless phone. But I believe we'll get disconnected if I take it out there.

COOPER: The panicked voice on the telephone belongs to Mark Carruthers, son-in-law of the sanctuary's owners Ralph and Virginia Brower (ph). He witnessed the attack and may have saved St. James Davis' life.

CARRUTHERS: Look, there are still two chimpanzee's loose. They are not dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

CARRUTHERS: The two that did attack him are down, I have just shot them.

COOPER: As St. James lay bleeding on the ground, a breathless Mark tries to describe the magnitude of the mauled man's injury to the 911 operator.

CARRUTHERS: Tell me his injuries and repeat them! They need to know!

They tore out his eye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They tore out his eye?

CARRUTHERS: What's that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Left hand.

CARRUTHERS: Left hand.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Left foot.

CARRUTHERS: Left foot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The left foot?

CARRUTHERS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. All right. I'm going to give to you some instructions and tell you how to help them. I need you to relay this for me, OK Mark?

COOPER: And he does, shouting instructions as St. James Davis' wife who worked feverishly to keep her husband alive.

CARRUTHERS: La Donna!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Go ahead.

CARRUTHERS: I want you to take these towels, apply pressure, as even pressure you can to all of those wounds and leave them there, OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't lift them up.

CARRUTHERS: And put all of the wounds that you can and apply pressure and hold them there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Now, are we getting some of that bleeding controlled?

CARRUTHERS: La Donna! Put the pressure on the wounds. Stay there with him. You need to stay there with him and apply pressure to those wounds!

COOPER: More than a month and a dozen surgeries later, St. James Davis remains in the hospital in a medically induced coma, fighting for his life.

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COOPER: Well no charges have been brought at this point. We're going take talk about the legal aspect of this case a little bit later on.

La Donna Davis joins me now from Los Angeles with her attorney Gloria Allred. It's good to see both of you.

La Donna, let me start off with you. Take us back. You were there with your husband. You were visiting your chimp Mo. You were giving a birthday party, cake and chocolate milk as I recall. All of a sudden you heard something behind you. What happened then?

LA DONNA DAVIS, HUSBAND ATTACKED BY CHIMPS: Basically, I was turning to cut me a small piece of cake. The cake was still in the box, by the way, because the box was going to be shared with the rest of the animals in the compound. So I was turning to cut my little piece of cake. When I heard a rustling noise to the side of me.

And as I thought, well OK, I should check it out. Because at that period of time it was very quiet. There was no movement anywhere. I didn't have any noise. There was nothing to indicate that there was going to be a problem.

And when I turned in a quiet fashion to see what it was. I realized that there were animals above us coming down toward the compound area that we were in which was very secluded, and very quiet at that time.

COOPER: How fast were they moving?

DAVIS: Once they made the motion around the house, and they came into our area. I must have heard them maybe hit something, something that rustles a little noise that made me look over. And once we -- once they saw who we were, and that we were there, there was little time to do anything. It was -- it was a full out charge.

COOPER: You looked in the animal's eyes. You knew there was going to be trouble.

DAVIS: I knew he was not a happy animal. I knew that he had a look that is something to be in awe about.

COOPER: And you were attacked first. He took your finger.

DAVIS: Yes. As he -- as I-- when turning back around to try and tell my husband and get things organized, the attack was really on at that time. And he came up behind me and knocked me into my husband. And as I'm going down, he must have come around to the front of me not knowing what to do. And I put my arm up. And that's when he -- his body must have come around and he just cracked off the left thumb.

COOPER: He bit it off?

DAVIS: He bit it off, yes.

COOPER: And then the -- went to your husband. What happened then?

DAVIS: My husband must have realized that this was something very, very bad, because as everything is falling, we never knocked over the table or the cake or any of the party favors. We never knocked any of that over. The cake was still in the box.

He pushed me backwards as everything is kind of coming down and I actually knocked the chair over that was sitting for me. And when he knocked me backwards, they just kind of passed me up. And went -- one -- the big male went to my husband's face. And the smaller male went to his back and lower foot and began to -- and began to pull him literally apart right there.

I could tell my husband was trying to keep things under control. He didn't yell to antagonize the situation. He pulled his extremities in to protect himself. There was very little time to -- there was no recourse for safety. The attack was on. And it was -- it was horrendous to say the least.

COOPER: La Donna, I am going to give you just moment to catch your breath. We're going to take a short break. And when we come back, we're going to talk again with you and also with Gloria Allred, your attorney about why no charges have been filed at this point in this case. And we also want to talk about your husband, how he is doing now. We'll be right back with that in a moment.

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COOPER: It's been nearly seven weeks since a pair of chimpanzees broke from their cage at a California sanctuary and attacked St. James and La Donna Davis. As you heard before the break, St. James was severely mauled. He is still in critical condition.

Once again, La Donna Davis joins us from Los Angeles with her attorney Gloria Allred. Again, appreciate both of you being with us. La Donna, I know this is tough for you.

I mean you are in the midst of this attack, your finger has been bitten off, your husband is being attacked by these two chimpanzees. Were you conscious, you were seeing this? What happened?

DAVIS: Yes, I was conscious. And yes I was seeing this. And I think -- I was trying to observe what my husband was going to do. And he was keeping very silent, keeping extremities in. Myself, I believe I -- somewhere in that, I was seeking help, seeking help from wherever I could get it at.

And eventually the son-in-law came out of the home, realized what was happening and went back in to get a gun. And came back out, approached where we were. And had to wait for several seconds to get a proper shot at the animal as to miss my husband.

After the large male was shot, I'm not quite sure -- Ralph -- Mark, the son-in-law, had to go back into the house for another round of ammunition, and I must have followed him somewhat to tell him to please hurry. The second chimp pulled my husband by the foot, down about a 30-foot path, and into the dirt parking area to continue the mauling on the left foot, and also put a gash in my husband's back, just below the shoulder blade all the way to his buttocks, about six inches deep and four inches wide. Before Mark came back out with his daughter in his arms, baby daughter, to put the second gunshot into the second chimp.

COOPER: So, even after that first chimp had been shot, the other chimp was still attacking, and is that the point when the chimp took your husband's foot?

DAVIS: Yes. He dragged him by the foot from the upper area, foot only -- and my husband's a big man -- all the way down to the lower level of the parking lot.

COOPER: Gloria Allred, the district attorney's office released this statement. It says, "This is a terrible, tragic accident which no one could have anticipated. Had there been some evidence that the chimpanzees escaped before or that Mrs. Brower was aware that the lock could be manipulated" -- she owns this facility -- "a misdemeanor prosecution might be appropriate; however, there was no such evidence."

Do you believe this was just a tragic accident?

GLORIA ALLRED, ATTORNEY: Well, Anderson, all I can tell you is that the sheriff held a news conference today, and said that, in his report to the district attorney, that he made a finding that there was a failure to secure the interior and exterior door. So, to us, it's obvious that there was, at least, at the minimum, negligence, and we're curious about the facts that convinced the district attorney to decide to blame the chimps, rather than to blame humans who failed to provide adequate locks that could not be jimmied by chimps.

COOPER: La Donna, how is your husband doing? I mean, his left foot is gone. He was mauled in his face, his testicles were taken.

DAVIS: He has undergone about four surgeries on his left foot, and at this time, it is still in a recovery stage. If it hasn't -- if it does not recover, they will have to amputate at the knee. His right hand is still being looked at and tended to, and is in a delicate position right now. The left hand is going to have to be his "using" hand, which has -- which has a baby finger and a thumb. The middle fingers are severed.

ALLRED: May I just say, Anderson, too, that we think of Mr. Davis as a real hero. We think that perhaps he pushed her aside in order to take the brunt of the attack himself, to save his wife, and she also is such a heroine, because, despite the trauma that she suffered, witnessing her husband being torn apart by chimpanzees, she goes to the hospital every day to spend many hours with her husband, at his bedside. And even though he's unconscious still, she talks to him, she is there to love him, to support him, and she keeps telling him she wants him to live, and she wants him to be with her, no matter what condition he ultimately is in.

COOPER: Well, La Donna, I can't imagine what you have been going through, and we wish you the best, and your husband the best, as well, and our thoughts and prayers are with you both at this time. Appreciate you being with us, La Donna and Gloria Allred, as well. Thank you so much.

DAVIS: Thank you.

ALLRED: Thank you, Anderson.

COOPER: Want to take a look very quickly -- we've got some other stories making headlines. Erica Hill has the latest with that. Erica?

HILL: Hi, Anderson.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says Russia must go further in developing a democratic society. She met with President Vladimir Putin for two hours in Moscow today. Earlier, in a radio interview, Secretary Rice urged Putin to relax his tight grip on power, and said Russian media needs to be free of Kremlin pressure.

Pope Benedict XVI made his first appearance outside Vatican City today. He returned briefly to his apartment nearby in Rome, where cheering crowds had gathered. The new pontiff greeted some of the well-wishers. He told reporters, as he was leaving to return to the Vatican that he is truly moved by his election.

In Ecuador, congress voted to remove President Lucio Gutierrez from office today, following a week of escalating street protests. Last night, as many as 30,000 people marched on the presidential palace. Opponents accuse Gutierrez of trying to control Ecuador's courts and congress. A warrant has been issued for his arrest. Meantime, the country's vice president was sworn in to replace him.

And, a man who says he's a Vietnam veteran, stood in line at a book signing for 90 minutes to spit tobacco juice in Jane Fonda's face. Michael Smith calls Fonda a traitor for the trip she made to Hanoi in 1972, during which she was photographed on a Vietnamese anti- aircraft tank. Fonda recently called the episode a, quote, "betrayal of the American military," and said it was a lapse of judgment.

And, Anderson, that is the latest from "HEADLINE NEWS" at this hour. Back to you.

COOPER: All right, Erica -- and do you like elephants, Erica?

HILL: I love elephants.

COOPER: All right, well, you are going to like this next video, though, and it's nice to have a lighter animal story after that horrible story we were just having about the chimps.

In Seoul, South Korea, six elephants that were part of a zoo's parade escaped, after one of them apparently became startled and bolted; the others followed. Eventually, all were caught, but before that, they roamed the city and three of them crashed their way into a restaurant. It was all caught on tape. Take a look. OK, now, to be honest, I have watched this video, now, about 20 times, and there's so many things I find odd about it. I just want to show it to you again, and just point out some of the stranger things about it. And, again, no one was injured; it could have been much worse. But it's bizarre. Take a look.

OK, first of all, who are these guys? Turquoise cowboys? Are there a lot of turquoise cowboys in Seoul, Korea?

Check out this guy, with a chain, see him? He's going to play an important role later on.

I guess they're the -- the elephant handlers, but clearly, they don't really seem to know how to handle these elephants. That woman just emerged from beneath the elephants. I'm not sure where she was. She was wise to get out. A lot of people standing around, not sure what to do. The most confused seem to be these elephant handlers, these turquoise cowboys. At least they match the elephants.

Look at this guy -- there's the guy -- he used to have the chain. He's now got a stick in his hand. This guy is my favorite. Look at him, he decides he's going to be helpful by just whacking the elephant. Yes, that helps a lot. Thanks, appreciate that.

Oh, that guy checks his fly just to make sure. Always good to check the fly when the elephants are on a rampage. In the midst of a rampage, check your fly, rule number one.

360 next, the sighting of the Virgin Mary. In a moment, a close- up look at the apparition that has the faithful flocking in Illinois.

And, a little later, Ann Coulter -- she's on the cover of "Time," but is she happy? No. We'll tell you why.

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COOPER: Well take a look -- imagination or divine intervention. A plain old stain or a sign from above? The faithful are flocking, to of all places, an underpass in Chicago, where they believe the Virgin Mary is making a very special appearance. Some say it's just salt runoff on a concrete wall, others insist it's a vision of the Blessed Mary.

This story of the Virgin Mary has been one of the most popular stories on CNN.com all day. Every day, 360's Rudi Bakhtiar looks into the Web stories to bring us an angle you won't find anywhere else.

Rudi, what did you find out?

RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, Virgin Mary sightings, like this one in Chicago are nothing new. In fact, they've been documented for centuries. And often associated with prophecies and healings.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) BAKHTIAR (voice-over): Take a close look at this window in the Florida office building -- see anything familiar? What about this tree limb in a California cemetery, or this fence post in Australia? Many have looked at these same images and seen the Virgin Mary. Apparitions of the Virgin Mary have been reported for centuries, but only a handful have been authenticated by the Catholic Church. The first one dating back to 1531 in Guadalupe, Mexico.

Another occurred in 1858 in Lourdes, France a small village in the foothills of the Pyrenees, where it's said that the Madonna appeared before a teenage girl named Bernadette. Today, nearly five million believers make the pilgrimage to Lourdes every year, some hoping to be cured of their illness, others simply coming to pray. The 20th century has seen a big increase in reports of Virgin Mary apparitions. 1917 Fatima, Portugal, three children say they got a message from the Virgin, and tens of thousands claim they saw light in the sky.

Randall Sullivan, author of "The Miracle Detective" has investigated Virgin Mary apparitions around the world. I asked him why people flock to these sightings?

RANDALL SULLIVAN, AUTHOR, "THE MIRACLE DETECTIVE": Well, people want affirmation of their faith. Everyone wants some visible sign.

BAKHTIAR: Of the apparitions that are not yet church approved, Medugorje, Bosnia is perhaps the most famous. Millions of all faiths have visited since the apparitions were first reported in 1981. Of the more recent sightings closer to home, Campbell, Ohio, some saw the eyes of this Virgin Mary statue glowing. The Virgin was also spotted on the window of this office building in Clearwater, Florida. And this woman sold her 10-year-old grilled cheese sandwich with the image of the Virgin Mary for $28,000 to an online casino. But the legions of the faithful who visit Mary's shrines every year hold little sway with church officials.

SULLIVAN: The church dismisses the vast majority of these things, and even those that they say may be credible. They generally pull the visionaries or the seers aside, and say this is a personal private thing for you, and you shouldn't speak of it to others. And we don't want a cult of devotion to grow up around this.

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BAKHTIAR: And so far, Anderson, only three of these -- of apparitions have been authenticate by the church. It's actually a really long process. It took them 70 to 80 years to authenticate Fatima in Portugal. What they do is, believe it or not, they bring in a psychologist first to actually talk to the person who says I've seen this, and make sure that they're stable -- of stable mind, and that they're not trying to pull a prank. And then they bring in scientists. They bring in theologians. They bring in all sorts of people from very different levels and it takes years and years.

COOPER: All right. We'll see what happens here in Illinois. Rudi Bakhtiar, thanks very much. Now, let's find out what is coming up on the top of the hour on "PAULA ZAHN NOW." Hey, Paula.

PAULA ZAHN, HOST "PAULA ZAHN NOW": Hi, Anderson. We're going to start our night off with an extremely disturbing question -- was the Oklahoma City bombing part of a larger conspiracy?

You don't want to miss my exclusive conversation with Terry Nichols ex-wife.

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LANA PADILLA, FORMER WIFE OF OKLAHOMA CITY BOMB CONSPIRATOR TERRY NICHOLS: I truly believe that McVeigh had threatened Terry and his family, and was capable of hurting them.

ZAHN: Threatened him if he got out?

PADILLA: If he backed out. Terry would have protected his family. So, if there was any danger, he would be doing it not so much for himself, but for his family.

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ZAHN: More from my exclusive talk with Terry Nichols ex-wife at the top of the hour. As well as a message to the country from Nichols himself, and a chilling one at that.

COOPER: Fascinating. That's about five minutes from now. Paula, thanks very much.

ZAHN: Thank you.

COOPER: Coming up next on 360, Ann Coulter on the cover of "Time," but is she happy? No, that wouldn't get as much attention as being unhappy, now would it. We'll talk about that ahead.

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COOPER: Tonight taking the lens of the beholder to "The Nth Degree."

Ann Coulter, the made-for-cable liberal-seeking missile of the conservative movement is miffed. Not because she's on the cover of "Time" magazine -- who'd be miffed about that? -- but because of the way she's presented thereon. Her legs have been made to look much longer and thinner than they actually are, she says. And her body therefore seems ridiculously small by comparison, while the opposite is true of her feet -- which appear gigantic and as sharp as a pair of prisoners shanks.

She doesn't outright say so, but we're certainly invited to think of this distortion as being part of a left-wing plot. Because, after all, what isn't? By the way, we understand Miss Coulter still hasn't forgiven Pablo Picasso, who not only elongated those legs of hers, but apparently, also gave her an extra one while he was at it. Or the sculptor Alberto Giacometti, who like the "Time" magazine cover photographer, played fast and loose with her overall dimensions. And then to add insult to injury made her look to be a figure teased out of chopped liver. Yes, well, of course, needless to say Giacometti and Picasso, were both well-known radical leftists.

I'm Anderson Cooper. Thanks very much for watching 360 this evening. CNN's prime time coverage continues now with Paula Zahn. Hey Paula.

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