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Pentagon Releases Military Base Report; 'Gimme a Minute'

Aired May 13, 2005 - 09:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Ahead this morning, Sanjay Gupta's back to tell us how the television show "CSI" is actually changing the course of murder trials all across the country.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: We'll go to that. First, back to the headlines, though. And here's Kelly Wallace with those. Good morning.

KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Bill. Good morning again, everyone.

"Now in the News," this just in to CNN. We are getting early word on the Pentagon's recommendations for U.S. military base closings. More than 150 U.S. bases are on that list. An official announcement is expected within the hour. Lawmakers on Capitol Hill have gotten an early look at the report. Copies of that report delivered just a short while ago. This would mark the first round of base closing in 10 years. Some lawmakers, though, criticizing the move, saying the timing is wrong.

And for more on all this, we go to our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr. Barbara, what's the latest from there?

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Kelly, CNN has just obtained from congressional sources a copy of the base closure list. It is 28 pages long, a very detailed list, state by state, of what the Pentagon plans to do. Some closures. Some bases remain opening. A good deal of them listed as realigned, if you will. Consolidation, moving of forces and various operations around the country, consolidating and realigning them. As first blush, it does appear that California is one state that is going to have a number of bases closed, perhaps as many as 11.

Two bases that we are going to watch very closely, Ft. McPherson, Georgia. It looks that base will be closed. That is the headquarters of the U.S. Army Forces Command, the part of the United States army that directs deployment for all U.S. Army personnel. Now that function certainly will not go away. We will learn more details about exactly how the Army will now undertake that function. Another base listed in South Dakota, Ellsworth Air Force Base, which is a major base for the B-1 bomber. No indication the B-1 bomber is going away, of course. We expect to hear more shortly about where those operations may go.

This is a very initial blush, a first look at the 28-page list. What we do know is that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says if this list is enacted, it will save the military up to $50 billion over the next 20 years, eventually saving the military about $5 billion a year, simply from the cost of not having to operate these bases. This list will now go to the Independent Base Closure Commission.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld scheduled to testify before that commission on Monday, to explain the Pentagon's rationale about this 28-page base closure list -- Kelly.

WALLACE: OK, Barbara, giving us the latest from there. Barbara Starr, a Pentagon correspondent. Again, as Barbara saying, those recommendations go to that Independent Base Closure Commission and then that commission ultimately presents a report to President Bush.

Well, continuing on with other stories "Now in the News," thousands of protesters in Eastern Uzbekistan are clashing with police. They are calling for the resignation of Uzbek president Islam Karimov. The unrest began when rebels stormed a prison, freeing thousands of inmates. At least nine people in have been killed.

Back here in the United States, in California, jurors in the Michael Jackson trial could hear today from Jackson's former lawyer, Mark Geragos. A judge rejected a request by Geragos's attorney to delay his appearance, threatening him with arrest if he doesn't show. Proceedings set to pick up again in the next two hours.

That gets you caught up. Back to Bill and Soledad.

HEMMER: All right, Kelly, thanks for that.

It is Friday. Time for "Gimme A Minute," a rapid fire look at some of the week's interesting stories.

From New York today, back with us, WABC radio host Mark Simone. Good morning, Mark.

MARK SIMONE, WABC RADIO HOST: Hey, Bill.

HEMMER: In Washington, Jennifer Palmieri with the Center for American Progress. Jennifer, welcome back to you, as well.

JENNIFER PALMIERI, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS: Thank you, Bill.

HEMMER: And here in New York, Andy Borowitz from borowitzreport.com, hanging out over there on the couch. Good morning, Drew.

ANDY BOROWTIZ, BOROWITZREPORT.COM: Good morning, Bill.

HEMMER: Hey, Mark, you're first. D.C.'s evacuating on Wednesday, the president's working out. He was not informed. Was this the right way to handle this?

SIMONE: Well, actually, hundreds of airplanes penetrate the airspace every year. You can't bust in on the president every time that happens. And he doesn't make any decisions here. He doesn't decide when to shoot or how to protect the White House. That's the Secret Service and the military.

HEMMER: What do you think, Jennifer?

PALMIERI: Well, I think this is a good rule of thumb for the White House to use: If it's serious enough to evacuate the White House, it's serious enough to get the president off the bike.

HEMMER: Andy?

BOROWITZ: I think they did the right thing. The last thing you want to do is make him fall off his bike again.

HEMMER: Imagine how many times that bike ride would be interrupted, huh?

PALMIERI: That's true.

HEMMER: Second topic. Jennifer, if John Bolton gets through the Senate, he will be the next U.S. ambassador to the U.N. But does the controversy right now in Washington make him any less effective if he gets that post?

PALMIERI: Well, I certainly don't think that the -- that his confirmation process has promoted him with the global community. And he'll probably start from behind. He is the U.S. ambassador. He will be taken seriously by the United Nations, provided he's confirmed, but he's probably going to have to work harder than another U.S. ambassador would to be effective. I mean, it's be different to be -- he'll be taken seriously, but if he really wants to be effective, I think he's going to have to work a lot harder to show that he's willing to be diplomatic.

HEMMER: Mark, is he bruised at all?

SIMONE: No, not at all. You know, the U.N.'s got all kinds of scandals. Financial scandals, sexual abuse scandals. It's a VIP lounge for dictators. Gadhafi (ph)'s on the Human Rights Commission. He's going to seem like Mary Poppins there. We probably should be sending a tougher guy in there.

HEMMER: Mary Poppins, Andy?

BOROWTIZ: I think he's headed for the U.N. and I'm thinking, just what New York needs, one more really angry person.

HEMMER: Come join the club!

Third topic. Mark, back to you now. Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich now, working on health issues together. This is our e-mail question today, in fact. Make sense of this for us.

SIMONE: It makes a lot of sense.

HEMMER: Is it a photo op or a new strategy?

SIMONE: Well, she's been doing this all year. She's not going to use that losing strategy of trying all Republicans crooks and evil. You know, she was talking about prayer in the beginning of the year, how much she hates abortion. Now she's with Newt. By the end of the year, she'll be on hunting trips with Dick Cheney.

HEMMER: Middle of the road, what do you think, Jennifer? Is that's where she's moving?

PALMIERI: Well, she -- she's a very effective legislator and she knows that if she wants to get something done on healthcare, she's much more likely to get it done with a conservative Republican standing next to her, saying that he it's a good idea. So I think it's a very savvy and effective thing for her to do.

HEMMER: How about this combination, Andy?

BOROWITZ: I say, you go, Hillary! You have been without a man for way too long.

PALMIERI: Oh, my.

HEMMER: We'll leave it there. Have a great weekend. Mark, Jennifer, Andy Borowitz, thanks for being with us this morning.

PALMIERI: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: It's about 20 minutes before the hour.

(WEATHER REPORT)

HEMMER: An American sports tycoon buying his way into the world's richest sports team. Andy looks at the immense new value of this franchise, "Minding Your Business" in a moment here.

O'BRIEN: And millions of folks are hooked to the "CSI" shows, but you can't always believe everything you see on television. Sanjay joins us to separate fact from fiction, ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: Billions of viewers watch "CSI" and its two television spinoffs every week, and it's led to something called the CSI effect.

Sanjay is here with the final part of the series on the science behind crime-scene investigation.

What's the CSI effect?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's really interesting. We've been working on this for some time. As we've traveled to crime labs and police departments around the country, everyone was talking about the CSI effect. We weren't planning on making this part of the special, but as we learned more about it, we decided to. So here's what it is.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a homicide. Not simply was the victim killed, he was bound at the hands, bound at the feet, a sheet wrapped around his head, his bedroom ransacked.

GUPTA (voice-over): It's a murder with no witnesses. Miami City homicide detective Freddy Pontes (ph) and Sergeant Moses Velasquez (ph) head up the investigation and immediately call on the team of CSI technicians. They spend the next 10 hours processing the crime scene, finding clues to help detectives piece together what happened the night 60-year-old Thomas Clark was killed.

This is a person that's desperate. He's not concerned with wearing rubber gloves, and you know, making sure he collects his hair samples and everything else. So we got him inside the (INAUDIBLE). So the eyewitness he wasn't counting on is going to be forensic science.

GUPTA: On television's "CSI: Miami," the case would be solved within the hour.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: We never close, ever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUPTA: In the real world, prosecutors are starting to complain that juries expect too much.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SR. LEGAL ANALYST: Some people are calling it the CSI effect, jurors getting demanding about scientific proof of guilt for refusing to produce convictions.

GUPTA: Barry Fisher is director of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's crime lab, one of the biggest and best in the country.

BARRY FISHER, L.A. CO. SHERIFF'S CRIME LAB: What's happened is that courts, jurors, even cops have this expectation that we can constantly pull rabbits out of the hat, and it's just not possible to do that.

GUPTA (on camera): It adds a lot of sex appeal to the profession as well, don't it?

FISHER: Oh, we were sexy before.

GUPTA: Yes, you were.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we have a time of death?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Between 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUPTA: Dr. Satish Chundru is the medical examiner who did the autopsy on Thomas Clark. He estimates that Clark was killed 18 to 33 hours before he was found.

DR. SATISH CHUNDRU, MEDICAL EXAMINER: The shows on TV, they say yes he died between 10:30 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. It's unrealistic, but it makes for a good TV show.

GUPTA: Another myth, fingerprints are not just fed into computers, trained eyes and experience are still needed to make a match.

But what about DNA? In the Clark case, technicians swab every surface, knowing the smallest trace amount could nab a killer.

Unfortunately getting a DNA profile isn't as instant as the CSI: Miami" TV show portrays.

In real life, it requires sending samples to sophisticated labs, in this case the Miami-Dade crime lab. There's a lot of waiting.

WILLIAM STUVER, MIAMI-DADE CRIME LAB: A sample they removed from a crime scene usually takes about a week from the time we first opened the specimens to where we actually have DNA profiles coming off of the machine.

GUPTA: With no witnesses, no suspects, which piece of evidence, if any, will crack this case?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just like hunting down a ghost. Nobody knows him. Nobody's seen him before, and it's just picking out a face out of millions.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GUPTA: As you can see, though, even Jeff Toobin, says the CSI effect is real. One of the other things that we noticed about the "CSI" franchise, one of the most popular shows around the world, is that it's made forensics and science kind of cool again, you know, all of the sort of geeky kids who studied all of this stuff...

O'BRIEN: Sanjay, you're cool again!

GUPTA: Yes, I love this stuff!

O'BRIEN: Woo-hoo!

I want to ask you a couple of questions. Can you give us a hint of how the case turns out?

GUPTA: No.

O'BRIEN: Is there a resolution?

GUPTA: There is a resolution, and that's unusual, I will tell you, because we were on the shoot for a long time, following this from beginning to end, and it actually resolved itself within about a month. That's unusual. On the television program, it resolves itself in 44 minutes, an hour with commercial breaks, but yes, I won't tell you how it ends, but it does come to some sort of resolution.

O'BRIEN: The CSI effect that Jeff points out is real. How big of a problem is it?

GUPTA: It's becoming a significant problem. And you know, I think that a lot of judges and a lot of juries are being educated ahead of time about what the realities are of collecting forensic and physical evidence. You can't get DNA results back in a day. You can't have nicely packaged cases from a prosecution in just a day, and I think they're starting to get that, but you know, the show has had a significant impact.

O'BRIEN: It sure. All right, Sanjay, thanks.

GUPTA: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: Terrific series. You can see how a real crime-scene investigation turns out in Sanjay's special, "ANATOMY OF MURDER." That's Sunday night, 10:00 p.m. Eastern -- Bill.

"CNN LIVE TODAY" is next. Here's Daryn Kagan with a preview at the CNN Center.

What you working on, Daryn?

DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to you, Bill.

Coming up at the top of the hour, you're going to find out which U.S. military bases are on the dreaded closure list. We're going to look. We'll have the announcement live from the Pentagon. That is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Eastern.

Also undercover video, Are military recruiters bending the rules just to sign up new soldiers? We'll tell you what a determined teenager found out.

And more tips to save you money at the pump. Here is an early hint: Speed kills. It's all coming up on "CNN LIVE TODAY."

Ease up on the gas pedal, Billy.

HEMMER: I need some help on that.

Did hear about Manchester United?

KAGAN: Pardon?

HEMMER: They are not happy, Manchester United over Britain.

KAGAN: No, they don't want an American coming over buying the team.

HEMMER: Yes, the pride of Britain, American hands, Daryn. Thanks, Daryn. See you later.

Football fans may never get over this one. Andy is "Minding Your Business" in a moment.

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HEMMER: The world's most valuable sports franchise changing hands, and the Brits are none to happy about this.

Now to a check of Wall Street with Andy Serwer.

Good morning.

ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Good morning to you.

Let's go to the Big Board and see how things are faring on Wall Street. We're down a single point. That's what's faring on Wall Street. What's going, Dell Computer up 4 percent, to $38. That stock is active today.

Yes, indeed, billionaire dealmaker Malcolm Glazer, also owns the NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers, has bought control apparently of Manchester United, the most famous sports team in the world, I think it's safe to say.

However, in England, they are not happy about this at all. In fact they're incensed, livid. It has to do with the fact, not that he's American, but apparently he's going to saddle the team with debt.

There are the Red Devils right here.

And as Jack said earlier in the program, one of the problems Manchester has faced recently, is they haven't done so well over the past couple of years. Some of the protesters were wearing -- one guy had a big sign that said, "Yanks Out." This is the guy I love. Hold this a second. It says Yanks out. Look at his hat. It's a Yankee hat. I love that. That's the ironic picture.

HEMMER: Great irony.

SERWER: And Manchester united with this deal becomes the most valuable sports team in the world.

HEMMER: Who are they burning there?

SERWER: That's Malcolm Glazer, the poor guy. He's going to take this security seriously over there. How does it compare to other teams? Here we go, this bid is about $1.48, $1.47 billion. You can the Redskins, the Yankees are the most valuable sports franchises in the three big leagues here in the United States. It's a little unfair, because those are all private companies, and none of them have been for sale recently. But you can see Manchester United tops the list.

HEMMER: And I think this guy, Glazer, might take them private. SERWER: Well, yes, he would. If buys them, Bill, he'll take over the whole thing.

HEMMER: Thank you, Andy.

SERWER: You're welcome.

HEMMER: Final he check of the Question of the Day.

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Indeed. What are Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich up to? They've been seen hanging out here the last couple of weeks, giving rise to all sorts of speculation.

James in Florida writes, "Hillary and Newt are merely proving" -- I love that name, Newt. Who names their kid Newt?

HEMMER: Mr. Newton names his kid Newt, Newt Jr. You want more from over mother here?

CAFFERTY: Yes, we want to get out of here by 10:00. Daryn will get upset.

HEMMER: Believe me, I'm watching the clock.

"Hillary and Newt are merely proving that they're willing to sell out any remaining principles, moral stance and integrity that they might once have had in order to convince the voting populous that they deserve to be elected. I'm not fooled." They both reportedly are going to run for president.

Gia (ph) in Halifax, Nova Scotia: "It means nothing. All this question demonstrates is the small minds that exist behind the question."

Hey, I'm the small mind behind the question, Gia, and it's just mine, singular. That would be me.

"Grow up and give your audience news instead of trash."

And finally, this last one makes a lot of sense: "For Newt, it's not about power. It's about a transformational change. Teaming with Hillary is a brilliant stroke toward solving one of the great threats to America's future. Hillary means well, but she was wrong on health care the first time. Newt has a great model, and he needs Hillary to make it happen."

Coming up this weekend, all of this stuff about United Airlines absconding on there -- or defaulting on their pensions, talk about Social Security. Is it going to go broke? Is there going to be anything when we retire? We're going to take a look at your retirement, and see if we're talking about the end of retirement here. "IN THE MONEY," Saturday at 1:00, Sunday at 3:00. Back in a flash.

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O'BRIEN: For families in one Denver suburb having no health insurance doesn't mean that their children will go without medical care. For more than a decade, the Carin' Clinic in the town of Arvada has risen to the occasion, thanks to the extra effort of two nursing pros.

Here's Sean Callebs.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Getting a routine medical checkup has never been as painless for Manuela Ramirez, a precocious 6-year-old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you drink lots of water and milk?

MANUELA RAMIREZ: I drink lots of milk. I drink like a cat.

CALLEBS: Manuella's mother, Isla (ph), is from South America. She doesn't have extra money for medical bills, but thanks to the Carin' Clinic, which opened up in the Denver area in 1993, medical visits are within reach.

MARIA RAMIREZ, MANUELA'S SISTER: She says, "It's really important for everything. It's close to where we live, so it's easy to get here. It's not expensive. So we can actually like get her checked often and be sure that she's all right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And this was the clinic.

CALLEBS: Karen Permenko, a former school nurse, helped found the Carin' Clinic to assist families who don't have insurance. She knew something had to be done after making a home visit to a sick child.

KAREN PERMENKO, CARIN' CLINIC FOUNDER: And the mom got up, and she threw open her cupboard door. Her cupboard was empty. She said if I had $40 to take her to the doctor, I wouldn't be going to the doctor. I would be going to the grocery store.

CALLEBS: Shortly after that, Karen launched into action. She received a grant for $15,000, $31,000 more from the town of Arvada and the generosity of a school principal who offered the women the corner of one of the classrooms.

PERMENKO: There was a desk here for our receptionist, and in the back were two exam rooms.

CALLEBS: Karen then met Vicki Erickson, head of the Pediatric Nurse Practitioner Program at the University of Colorado. The two worked out a deal to have university student nurses help treat the children. Visits to the clinic are no more than $10, and no one is ever turned away.

VICKI ERICKSON, PEDIATRIC NURSING PROGRAM: This is the time when we can make a difference, that really could be so measurable, like for instance, identifying obesity early, instead of waiting until somebody's 45 and has a heart attack.

CALLEBS: A pediatrician donates his time. The local hospital picks up lab work and X-rays, even an accountant does pro bono work.

ERICKSON: In many ways, this clinic mirrors the families we care for. We kind of live month to month.

CALLEBS: Despite the odds, they've managed to find a way to help thousands of children and often the only payment, a heart-warming smile.

Sean Callebs, Arvada, Colorado.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

O'BRIEN: Good for them.

HEMMER: Good way to end the week, too.

Have a good weekend.

SERWER: You, too.

O'BRIEN: Kelly helping us out.

See you back on Monday, guys.

HEMMER: Thanks, Kelly.

Here is Daryn Kagan at the CNN Center.

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Aired May 13, 2005 - 09:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Ahead this morning, Sanjay Gupta's back to tell us how the television show "CSI" is actually changing the course of murder trials all across the country.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: We'll go to that. First, back to the headlines, though. And here's Kelly Wallace with those. Good morning.

KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Bill. Good morning again, everyone.

"Now in the News," this just in to CNN. We are getting early word on the Pentagon's recommendations for U.S. military base closings. More than 150 U.S. bases are on that list. An official announcement is expected within the hour. Lawmakers on Capitol Hill have gotten an early look at the report. Copies of that report delivered just a short while ago. This would mark the first round of base closing in 10 years. Some lawmakers, though, criticizing the move, saying the timing is wrong.

And for more on all this, we go to our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr. Barbara, what's the latest from there?

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Kelly, CNN has just obtained from congressional sources a copy of the base closure list. It is 28 pages long, a very detailed list, state by state, of what the Pentagon plans to do. Some closures. Some bases remain opening. A good deal of them listed as realigned, if you will. Consolidation, moving of forces and various operations around the country, consolidating and realigning them. As first blush, it does appear that California is one state that is going to have a number of bases closed, perhaps as many as 11.

Two bases that we are going to watch very closely, Ft. McPherson, Georgia. It looks that base will be closed. That is the headquarters of the U.S. Army Forces Command, the part of the United States army that directs deployment for all U.S. Army personnel. Now that function certainly will not go away. We will learn more details about exactly how the Army will now undertake that function. Another base listed in South Dakota, Ellsworth Air Force Base, which is a major base for the B-1 bomber. No indication the B-1 bomber is going away, of course. We expect to hear more shortly about where those operations may go.

This is a very initial blush, a first look at the 28-page list. What we do know is that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says if this list is enacted, it will save the military up to $50 billion over the next 20 years, eventually saving the military about $5 billion a year, simply from the cost of not having to operate these bases. This list will now go to the Independent Base Closure Commission.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld scheduled to testify before that commission on Monday, to explain the Pentagon's rationale about this 28-page base closure list -- Kelly.

WALLACE: OK, Barbara, giving us the latest from there. Barbara Starr, a Pentagon correspondent. Again, as Barbara saying, those recommendations go to that Independent Base Closure Commission and then that commission ultimately presents a report to President Bush.

Well, continuing on with other stories "Now in the News," thousands of protesters in Eastern Uzbekistan are clashing with police. They are calling for the resignation of Uzbek president Islam Karimov. The unrest began when rebels stormed a prison, freeing thousands of inmates. At least nine people in have been killed.

Back here in the United States, in California, jurors in the Michael Jackson trial could hear today from Jackson's former lawyer, Mark Geragos. A judge rejected a request by Geragos's attorney to delay his appearance, threatening him with arrest if he doesn't show. Proceedings set to pick up again in the next two hours.

That gets you caught up. Back to Bill and Soledad.

HEMMER: All right, Kelly, thanks for that.

It is Friday. Time for "Gimme A Minute," a rapid fire look at some of the week's interesting stories.

From New York today, back with us, WABC radio host Mark Simone. Good morning, Mark.

MARK SIMONE, WABC RADIO HOST: Hey, Bill.

HEMMER: In Washington, Jennifer Palmieri with the Center for American Progress. Jennifer, welcome back to you, as well.

JENNIFER PALMIERI, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS: Thank you, Bill.

HEMMER: And here in New York, Andy Borowitz from borowitzreport.com, hanging out over there on the couch. Good morning, Drew.

ANDY BOROWTIZ, BOROWITZREPORT.COM: Good morning, Bill.

HEMMER: Hey, Mark, you're first. D.C.'s evacuating on Wednesday, the president's working out. He was not informed. Was this the right way to handle this?

SIMONE: Well, actually, hundreds of airplanes penetrate the airspace every year. You can't bust in on the president every time that happens. And he doesn't make any decisions here. He doesn't decide when to shoot or how to protect the White House. That's the Secret Service and the military.

HEMMER: What do you think, Jennifer?

PALMIERI: Well, I think this is a good rule of thumb for the White House to use: If it's serious enough to evacuate the White House, it's serious enough to get the president off the bike.

HEMMER: Andy?

BOROWITZ: I think they did the right thing. The last thing you want to do is make him fall off his bike again.

HEMMER: Imagine how many times that bike ride would be interrupted, huh?

PALMIERI: That's true.

HEMMER: Second topic. Jennifer, if John Bolton gets through the Senate, he will be the next U.S. ambassador to the U.N. But does the controversy right now in Washington make him any less effective if he gets that post?

PALMIERI: Well, I certainly don't think that the -- that his confirmation process has promoted him with the global community. And he'll probably start from behind. He is the U.S. ambassador. He will be taken seriously by the United Nations, provided he's confirmed, but he's probably going to have to work harder than another U.S. ambassador would to be effective. I mean, it's be different to be -- he'll be taken seriously, but if he really wants to be effective, I think he's going to have to work a lot harder to show that he's willing to be diplomatic.

HEMMER: Mark, is he bruised at all?

SIMONE: No, not at all. You know, the U.N.'s got all kinds of scandals. Financial scandals, sexual abuse scandals. It's a VIP lounge for dictators. Gadhafi (ph)'s on the Human Rights Commission. He's going to seem like Mary Poppins there. We probably should be sending a tougher guy in there.

HEMMER: Mary Poppins, Andy?

BOROWTIZ: I think he's headed for the U.N. and I'm thinking, just what New York needs, one more really angry person.

HEMMER: Come join the club!

Third topic. Mark, back to you now. Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich now, working on health issues together. This is our e-mail question today, in fact. Make sense of this for us.

SIMONE: It makes a lot of sense.

HEMMER: Is it a photo op or a new strategy?

SIMONE: Well, she's been doing this all year. She's not going to use that losing strategy of trying all Republicans crooks and evil. You know, she was talking about prayer in the beginning of the year, how much she hates abortion. Now she's with Newt. By the end of the year, she'll be on hunting trips with Dick Cheney.

HEMMER: Middle of the road, what do you think, Jennifer? Is that's where she's moving?

PALMIERI: Well, she -- she's a very effective legislator and she knows that if she wants to get something done on healthcare, she's much more likely to get it done with a conservative Republican standing next to her, saying that he it's a good idea. So I think it's a very savvy and effective thing for her to do.

HEMMER: How about this combination, Andy?

BOROWITZ: I say, you go, Hillary! You have been without a man for way too long.

PALMIERI: Oh, my.

HEMMER: We'll leave it there. Have a great weekend. Mark, Jennifer, Andy Borowitz, thanks for being with us this morning.

PALMIERI: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: It's about 20 minutes before the hour.

(WEATHER REPORT)

HEMMER: An American sports tycoon buying his way into the world's richest sports team. Andy looks at the immense new value of this franchise, "Minding Your Business" in a moment here.

O'BRIEN: And millions of folks are hooked to the "CSI" shows, but you can't always believe everything you see on television. Sanjay joins us to separate fact from fiction, ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

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O'BRIEN: Billions of viewers watch "CSI" and its two television spinoffs every week, and it's led to something called the CSI effect.

Sanjay is here with the final part of the series on the science behind crime-scene investigation.

What's the CSI effect?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's really interesting. We've been working on this for some time. As we've traveled to crime labs and police departments around the country, everyone was talking about the CSI effect. We weren't planning on making this part of the special, but as we learned more about it, we decided to. So here's what it is.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a homicide. Not simply was the victim killed, he was bound at the hands, bound at the feet, a sheet wrapped around his head, his bedroom ransacked.

GUPTA (voice-over): It's a murder with no witnesses. Miami City homicide detective Freddy Pontes (ph) and Sergeant Moses Velasquez (ph) head up the investigation and immediately call on the team of CSI technicians. They spend the next 10 hours processing the crime scene, finding clues to help detectives piece together what happened the night 60-year-old Thomas Clark was killed.

This is a person that's desperate. He's not concerned with wearing rubber gloves, and you know, making sure he collects his hair samples and everything else. So we got him inside the (INAUDIBLE). So the eyewitness he wasn't counting on is going to be forensic science.

GUPTA: On television's "CSI: Miami," the case would be solved within the hour.

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UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: We never close, ever.

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GUPTA: In the real world, prosecutors are starting to complain that juries expect too much.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SR. LEGAL ANALYST: Some people are calling it the CSI effect, jurors getting demanding about scientific proof of guilt for refusing to produce convictions.

GUPTA: Barry Fisher is director of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's crime lab, one of the biggest and best in the country.

BARRY FISHER, L.A. CO. SHERIFF'S CRIME LAB: What's happened is that courts, jurors, even cops have this expectation that we can constantly pull rabbits out of the hat, and it's just not possible to do that.

GUPTA (on camera): It adds a lot of sex appeal to the profession as well, don't it?

FISHER: Oh, we were sexy before.

GUPTA: Yes, you were.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we have a time of death?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Between 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUPTA: Dr. Satish Chundru is the medical examiner who did the autopsy on Thomas Clark. He estimates that Clark was killed 18 to 33 hours before he was found.

DR. SATISH CHUNDRU, MEDICAL EXAMINER: The shows on TV, they say yes he died between 10:30 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. It's unrealistic, but it makes for a good TV show.

GUPTA: Another myth, fingerprints are not just fed into computers, trained eyes and experience are still needed to make a match.

But what about DNA? In the Clark case, technicians swab every surface, knowing the smallest trace amount could nab a killer.

Unfortunately getting a DNA profile isn't as instant as the CSI: Miami" TV show portrays.

In real life, it requires sending samples to sophisticated labs, in this case the Miami-Dade crime lab. There's a lot of waiting.

WILLIAM STUVER, MIAMI-DADE CRIME LAB: A sample they removed from a crime scene usually takes about a week from the time we first opened the specimens to where we actually have DNA profiles coming off of the machine.

GUPTA: With no witnesses, no suspects, which piece of evidence, if any, will crack this case?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just like hunting down a ghost. Nobody knows him. Nobody's seen him before, and it's just picking out a face out of millions.

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GUPTA: As you can see, though, even Jeff Toobin, says the CSI effect is real. One of the other things that we noticed about the "CSI" franchise, one of the most popular shows around the world, is that it's made forensics and science kind of cool again, you know, all of the sort of geeky kids who studied all of this stuff...

O'BRIEN: Sanjay, you're cool again!

GUPTA: Yes, I love this stuff!

O'BRIEN: Woo-hoo!

I want to ask you a couple of questions. Can you give us a hint of how the case turns out?

GUPTA: No.

O'BRIEN: Is there a resolution?

GUPTA: There is a resolution, and that's unusual, I will tell you, because we were on the shoot for a long time, following this from beginning to end, and it actually resolved itself within about a month. That's unusual. On the television program, it resolves itself in 44 minutes, an hour with commercial breaks, but yes, I won't tell you how it ends, but it does come to some sort of resolution.

O'BRIEN: The CSI effect that Jeff points out is real. How big of a problem is it?

GUPTA: It's becoming a significant problem. And you know, I think that a lot of judges and a lot of juries are being educated ahead of time about what the realities are of collecting forensic and physical evidence. You can't get DNA results back in a day. You can't have nicely packaged cases from a prosecution in just a day, and I think they're starting to get that, but you know, the show has had a significant impact.

O'BRIEN: It sure. All right, Sanjay, thanks.

GUPTA: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: Terrific series. You can see how a real crime-scene investigation turns out in Sanjay's special, "ANATOMY OF MURDER." That's Sunday night, 10:00 p.m. Eastern -- Bill.

"CNN LIVE TODAY" is next. Here's Daryn Kagan with a preview at the CNN Center.

What you working on, Daryn?

DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to you, Bill.

Coming up at the top of the hour, you're going to find out which U.S. military bases are on the dreaded closure list. We're going to look. We'll have the announcement live from the Pentagon. That is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Eastern.

Also undercover video, Are military recruiters bending the rules just to sign up new soldiers? We'll tell you what a determined teenager found out.

And more tips to save you money at the pump. Here is an early hint: Speed kills. It's all coming up on "CNN LIVE TODAY."

Ease up on the gas pedal, Billy.

HEMMER: I need some help on that.

Did hear about Manchester United?

KAGAN: Pardon?

HEMMER: They are not happy, Manchester United over Britain.

KAGAN: No, they don't want an American coming over buying the team.

HEMMER: Yes, the pride of Britain, American hands, Daryn. Thanks, Daryn. See you later.

Football fans may never get over this one. Andy is "Minding Your Business" in a moment.

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HEMMER: The world's most valuable sports franchise changing hands, and the Brits are none to happy about this.

Now to a check of Wall Street with Andy Serwer.

Good morning.

ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Good morning to you.

Let's go to the Big Board and see how things are faring on Wall Street. We're down a single point. That's what's faring on Wall Street. What's going, Dell Computer up 4 percent, to $38. That stock is active today.

Yes, indeed, billionaire dealmaker Malcolm Glazer, also owns the NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers, has bought control apparently of Manchester United, the most famous sports team in the world, I think it's safe to say.

However, in England, they are not happy about this at all. In fact they're incensed, livid. It has to do with the fact, not that he's American, but apparently he's going to saddle the team with debt.

There are the Red Devils right here.

And as Jack said earlier in the program, one of the problems Manchester has faced recently, is they haven't done so well over the past couple of years. Some of the protesters were wearing -- one guy had a big sign that said, "Yanks Out." This is the guy I love. Hold this a second. It says Yanks out. Look at his hat. It's a Yankee hat. I love that. That's the ironic picture.

HEMMER: Great irony.

SERWER: And Manchester united with this deal becomes the most valuable sports team in the world.

HEMMER: Who are they burning there?

SERWER: That's Malcolm Glazer, the poor guy. He's going to take this security seriously over there. How does it compare to other teams? Here we go, this bid is about $1.48, $1.47 billion. You can the Redskins, the Yankees are the most valuable sports franchises in the three big leagues here in the United States. It's a little unfair, because those are all private companies, and none of them have been for sale recently. But you can see Manchester United tops the list.

HEMMER: And I think this guy, Glazer, might take them private. SERWER: Well, yes, he would. If buys them, Bill, he'll take over the whole thing.

HEMMER: Thank you, Andy.

SERWER: You're welcome.

HEMMER: Final he check of the Question of the Day.

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Indeed. What are Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich up to? They've been seen hanging out here the last couple of weeks, giving rise to all sorts of speculation.

James in Florida writes, "Hillary and Newt are merely proving" -- I love that name, Newt. Who names their kid Newt?

HEMMER: Mr. Newton names his kid Newt, Newt Jr. You want more from over mother here?

CAFFERTY: Yes, we want to get out of here by 10:00. Daryn will get upset.

HEMMER: Believe me, I'm watching the clock.

"Hillary and Newt are merely proving that they're willing to sell out any remaining principles, moral stance and integrity that they might once have had in order to convince the voting populous that they deserve to be elected. I'm not fooled." They both reportedly are going to run for president.

Gia (ph) in Halifax, Nova Scotia: "It means nothing. All this question demonstrates is the small minds that exist behind the question."

Hey, I'm the small mind behind the question, Gia, and it's just mine, singular. That would be me.

"Grow up and give your audience news instead of trash."

And finally, this last one makes a lot of sense: "For Newt, it's not about power. It's about a transformational change. Teaming with Hillary is a brilliant stroke toward solving one of the great threats to America's future. Hillary means well, but she was wrong on health care the first time. Newt has a great model, and he needs Hillary to make it happen."

Coming up this weekend, all of this stuff about United Airlines absconding on there -- or defaulting on their pensions, talk about Social Security. Is it going to go broke? Is there going to be anything when we retire? We're going to take a look at your retirement, and see if we're talking about the end of retirement here. "IN THE MONEY," Saturday at 1:00, Sunday at 3:00. Back in a flash.

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O'BRIEN: For families in one Denver suburb having no health insurance doesn't mean that their children will go without medical care. For more than a decade, the Carin' Clinic in the town of Arvada has risen to the occasion, thanks to the extra effort of two nursing pros.

Here's Sean Callebs.

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SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Getting a routine medical checkup has never been as painless for Manuela Ramirez, a precocious 6-year-old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you drink lots of water and milk?

MANUELA RAMIREZ: I drink lots of milk. I drink like a cat.

CALLEBS: Manuella's mother, Isla (ph), is from South America. She doesn't have extra money for medical bills, but thanks to the Carin' Clinic, which opened up in the Denver area in 1993, medical visits are within reach.

MARIA RAMIREZ, MANUELA'S SISTER: She says, "It's really important for everything. It's close to where we live, so it's easy to get here. It's not expensive. So we can actually like get her checked often and be sure that she's all right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And this was the clinic.

CALLEBS: Karen Permenko, a former school nurse, helped found the Carin' Clinic to assist families who don't have insurance. She knew something had to be done after making a home visit to a sick child.

KAREN PERMENKO, CARIN' CLINIC FOUNDER: And the mom got up, and she threw open her cupboard door. Her cupboard was empty. She said if I had $40 to take her to the doctor, I wouldn't be going to the doctor. I would be going to the grocery store.

CALLEBS: Shortly after that, Karen launched into action. She received a grant for $15,000, $31,000 more from the town of Arvada and the generosity of a school principal who offered the women the corner of one of the classrooms.

PERMENKO: There was a desk here for our receptionist, and in the back were two exam rooms.

CALLEBS: Karen then met Vicki Erickson, head of the Pediatric Nurse Practitioner Program at the University of Colorado. The two worked out a deal to have university student nurses help treat the children. Visits to the clinic are no more than $10, and no one is ever turned away.

VICKI ERICKSON, PEDIATRIC NURSING PROGRAM: This is the time when we can make a difference, that really could be so measurable, like for instance, identifying obesity early, instead of waiting until somebody's 45 and has a heart attack.

CALLEBS: A pediatrician donates his time. The local hospital picks up lab work and X-rays, even an accountant does pro bono work.

ERICKSON: In many ways, this clinic mirrors the families we care for. We kind of live month to month.

CALLEBS: Despite the odds, they've managed to find a way to help thousands of children and often the only payment, a heart-warming smile.

Sean Callebs, Arvada, Colorado.

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O'BRIEN: Good for them.

HEMMER: Good way to end the week, too.

Have a good weekend.

SERWER: You, too.

O'BRIEN: Kelly helping us out.

See you back on Monday, guys.

HEMMER: Thanks, Kelly.

Here is Daryn Kagan at the CNN Center.

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