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U.S. Military Camp Trains Soldiers to Think Like Terrorists; U.S. Military Vows Investigation into Leak of Invasive Hussein Photographs; Laura Bush on Goodwill Tour of Mid East to Promote Women's Rights; Death Row Inmate Asks to Donate His Liver; "Weekend Getaway:" California Wine Country; "Autism is a World," Preview of Academy-award Nominated Documentary

Aired May 21, 2005 - 12:00   ET

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TONY HARRIS, HOST: It is 12:00 Noon on the East coast, 9:00 am in the West. I'm Tony Harris at CNN's Global Headquarters. Fredricka Whitfield has the afternoon off. Ahead this hour:
Fallout from Saddam Hussein's secret photos. What impact it may have in Iraq and fighting insurgents.

Also:

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terrorists are train today attack in certain ways. So, when you're out there defending, you need to be aware, it really is important to kind of know thy enemy.

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HARRIS: In-depth on understanding the mind of a terrorist. We have rare, behind the scenes access to a terror training camp, but this on teaches U.S. soldiers how terrorists think and act. This give U.S. soldiers a better change to defend and defeat the insurgents.

Also, this is new video of the missing girl in Idaho. Live with the latest on the search for this girl and her brother, but, first, a look at top stories now in the news.

President Bush is heading to Michigan to deliver a commencement address. Mr. Bush is the key note speaker at Calvin College's graduation ceremonies. The event in Grand Rapids begins a couple of hours from now.

A face to face meeting between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas appears to be just weeks away. An official for the Palestinian leader tells CNN the meeting will take place June 7. Israel has not confirmed the date.

NASA has wrapped up a fuel tank test on the space shuttle Discovery. The test is said to have been a success. And right now, Discovery's return to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) is set for mid-July. The shuttle fleet been grounded since Columbia broke apart over Texas two years ago. We begin with another twist in the jailhouse photo scandal involving Saddam Hussein. A British tabloid the "Sun" of London has published another picture of a former Iraqi dictator. And in Washington, the U.S. military vows to aggressively investigate the leaked photos. The latest now from CNN's senior Pentagon correspondent, Jamie McIntyre.

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JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The "Sun" newspapers flashed the picture of the underwear-clad dictator on its front page. The British tabloid claimed the photo, along with several others showing Saddam Hussein in captivity were handed over by U.S. military sources who, it said, hoped to deal a body blow to the resistance in Iraq. Instead, the unauthorized release dealt the U.S. military another public relation's nightmare, by provoking outrage from many Iraqis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): It is not acceptable to show a president in such way. It must respect the name of a president all over the world, regardless of if he is a dictator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): What we saw on TV is not right. Saddam Hussein is an Iraqi and we are a civilized country.

MCINTYRE: In a statement the U.S. military in Baghdad said the photos were taken in clear violation of DOD directives and possibly Geneva Convention guidelines, and expressed disappointment that someone responsible for the security, welfare, and detention of Saddam would provide these photos for public release.

Military sources tell CNN, based on the way Saddam looks and the backgrounds, the images appear to have been taken between January and April of 2004 and may have come from a security camera that monitors Saddam around the clock. The military says it is taking the unauthorized release very seriously.

The last thing the U.S. needs is a repeat of the violent demonstrations that is followed an erroneous report that military investigators confirmed U.S. interrogators desecrated a Koran. "Newsweek" magazine retracted the story and President Bush downplayed the idea that the Saddam pictures could spark similar protests.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't think a photo inspires murders. I think they're inspired by an ideology that is so barbaric and backwards that it's hard for many in the Western world to comprehend how they think.

MCINTYRE: A second set of pictures published by the "Sun" Saturday, shows Saddam Hussein is shown praying behind barbed wire, but also shows two other captives: The man dubbed "Chemical Ali" for his alleged role in using poison gas against the Kurds, and a woman nicknamed "Chemical Sally" or "Mrs. Anthrax" for her part in Iraq's germ program.

(on camera): The military says only a small number of people have access to the super secure jail where Saddam Hussein is being held and that personal cameras are banned from the facility. The U.S. is promising an aggressive investigation. Jamie McIntyre, CNN, the Pentagon.

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HARRIS: Well, Iraqis are getting their first look at the revealing photos of their former dictator. For some reaction we turn now to Baghdad and CNN's Ryan Chilcote -- Ryan.

RYAN CHILCOTE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Tony. Well, the photos didn't get on to all of the Arab -- al of the Arabic language channels here, all of the regional channels. Al Jazeera, for one, said that the photos don't live up to their requirements for decency on their air, nor did the photos make it into the Friday papers, here, but they were certainly in the papers today.

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CHILCOTE (voice-over): On the news stands of Baghdad, beneath the glamour shots of Arab and Western models, front page photos of a half-naked saddam hussein. Iraqis snapped them up, but draw different views. Dr. Amar Sabar (ph) found them distasteful and had no doubt about why they've appeared in the newspapers.

DR. AMAR SABAR, IRAQI CITIZEN: I think to humiliate Iraqi people.

CHILCOTE: In country where proper opinion polls are impossible, our unscientific survey came up with one universal conclusion. .

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): These photos are unacceptable, immoral, and hurt all Iraqis regardless of whether we like or disliked the previous regime. At the end of the day, Saddam was the president of Iraq. It is unacceptable for the American administration.

CHILCOTE: One man did get a kick out of them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): He is sitting in the cell he deserves. With no A/C in there maybe he got hot and decided to take off some clothes. Besides, he'd already humiliated himself and his country with what he did to it.

CHILCOTE: At an internet cafe, we found two women who looked, but refused to talk. Tabal Hassin (ph) had just finished a Google search for Saddam and sex when we walked up. He, like everyone we spoke with, blamed the U.S. government for the photo's release.

TABAL HASSIN, INTERNET SEARCHER (through translator): I am sure the new photos were published on purpose. It's a clear message to all the Arab leaders who oppose America. They will end up in a small jail facing humiliation.

CHILCOTE: Some of the people we spoke with recalled the photos from Abu Ghraib. (END VIDEOTAPE)

CHILCOTE: And that's just the thing, Tony. There's very little, if you will, pity for Saddam Hussein in Iraq, but this is clearly going to hurt the U.S.'s reputation, particularly after a similar incident with those photos from Abu Ghraib.

HARRIS: Yeah. OK, Ryan Chilcote for us in Baghdad. Ryan, thank you.

As Iraq continues its path toward democracy, the battle against the insurgency goes on. Colonel David Bishop is with us now, from Baghdad, to talk about the ongoing operations there. He is the commander of the U.S. Army's 3rd Brigade, 1st Armored Division.

Colonel, thanks for talking with us.

COL. DAVID BISHOP, U.S. ARMY 3RD BRIGADE, 1ST ARMORED DIV.: Good to be here.

HARRIS: Well, first of all, let me get your reaction to the news of these photos all over the papers there in Iraq. Is it going to make the job, your job and the job of your soldiers more difficult on the ground, battling the insurgency?

BISHOP: Well clearly, it was the wrong thing to do. We share the same opinion as most other people that you shouldn't treat people like that regardless of what they've done. Thus far, though, we haven't seen any backlash from the local community here regarding the photos.

HARRIS: Colonel, let me ask you, a lot of us thought the elections would stem the tide, so to speak, of the insurgency in Iraq. Did you share that opinion?

BISHOP: Well, we weren't sure what to expect following the elections. I can tell you that over the last year, the level of attacks has remained pretty much constant. There's been some spikes and some trofs, but over the year, it's been pretty much the same. In fact, April, May of last year, we had 100 attacks in this brigade area. And thus far, we're at 83 with a few weeks remaining. So, it's pretty much the same. The good news is, we're losing fewer American soldiers. Of course, any American soldier killed is significant, but the good news is, that's on a decline.

HARRIS: You mentioned the spikes. You do acknowledge there has been a spike recently in violence. How do you explain that? And what is going on? Give us a sense of what you're seeing on the ground.

BISHOP: Well, there's been a few spikes throughout the year, but there's also been periods of very low activity, as well. And this week, we had three days in this brigade area with no significant activities to report. I think that it takes the enemy considerable time to amass his resources, plan and coordinate operations and that's when we see the lulls. And then when we see the spike is when he carries out his attacks. I think it's just as simple as that. HARRIS: Colonel, how concerned are you about the possibility of sectarian violence, a civil war in Iraq?

BISHOP: Well, that's a possibility I think everyone is concerned about, but thus far, I haven't seen any indicators of a lack of restraint. In fact, I'm very pleased with the amount of restraint shown by the Shia, in particular, with the new Iraqi government. We don't see a whole lot of signs of abuse by the Iraqi security forces and things of that nature. So, I'm hopeful and optimistic, so far.

HARRIS: With so much of the violence being centered, when you do get these spikes that you mentioned, with so much of it being centered in that Sunni Triangle, in the Baghdad area, just a question, is it possible to launch a kind of Fallujah-style offensive in and around greater Baghdad?

BISHOP: Well, I don't want to speculate on any future plans or operations. I could tell you that we don't want to conduct major offensive operations in urban areas unless we absolutely have to. And I don't see any indicator that that's necessary or likely to occur in the near future.

HARRIS: OK. Colonel David Bishop is with us from Baghdad. Colonel, we appreciate your time. Thanks for talking to us.

BISHOP: Thank you.

HARRIS: Some are calling it a charm offensive. First Lady Laura Bush, is on a Mideast tour to soften anti-American sentiment and press for women's rights. CNN White House correspondent, Suzanne Malveaux is with the first lady, whose mission begins in Jordan.

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): First Lady, Laura Bush, atop the mountain where Moses once stood.

LAURA BUSH, FIRST LADY: It's a beautiful place to come. I'm really thrilled to be here.

MALVEAUX: Her focus, however, on this overseas trip, promoting progress for women in the Middle East.

L. BUSH: All people, men and women, want to contribute to the success of their country. And all people, men and women, must have the opportunity to do so.

MALVEAUX: At the World Economic Forum, the first lady delivered that no-nonsense message before a polite audience made up of mostly of Middle Eastern government and business officials.

L. BUSH: Freedom, especially freedom for women, is more than the absence of oppression.

MALVEAUX: Mrs. Bush used the aftermath of America's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as some examples of women's liberation. L. BUSH: Afghan women are relishing their new freedom. More than two million little girls are back in school.

MALVEAUX: New opportunities for women, a welcomed message for some.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's now more than ever coming also from within the countries to develop women and empowering women.

MALVEAUX: But, others here say while they may agree with the first lady's message, the problem is with the messenger, since the Iraq war and the Abu Ghraib Prison abuse scandal, the united states has suffered a poor image in the Middle East. Some, here, say the Bush administration would fair better if it changed its tone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the Middle East needs an emotional tone, it needs a friendndship, emotional tone rather than a public speech.

MALVEAUX: Later in the day, Mrs. Bush visited students with Jordan's King Abdullah and Queen Rania to highlight their educational system as a model for the Middle East. Afterwards, it was lunch with those who benefited from that education, Jordanian business women.

(on camera): Mrs. Bush's next stop, Israel and the West Bank to visit Christian, Muslim, and Jewish holy sites, in an effort for the administration to focus on what they say is a new broader approach in the Middle East, rewarding those who are engaged in economic and political reforms.

Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, the Dead Sea, Jordan.

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HARRIS: The search continues for two Idaho children. This is new video of the little girl. We'll have a report next from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.

And this was not typical fight after school. A violent bus beating was caught on tape between a bus driver and some students. Plus:

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today, the war is amorphous, it's global.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What people need to understand now is that there is no front line. It's everywhere.

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HARRIS: A unique training camp that teaches American soldiers how to think like a terrorist. Can it help in the fight?

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ROB MARCIANO, CNN METEOROLOGIST: I'm Rob Marciano at the CNN Weather Center. It's time for our check on the pollens. The allergy forecast, once again, pretty much south of the Mason Dixon line is where you're going to see the worst case scenario where pollens are still high still across the deep South: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. Now the hardwoods are kicking in as well as the grasses. And hardwood is starting to sneak into the picture as far as ragweeds out west. The farther north you go and the more rain you see this weekend, the better you'll feel. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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HARRIS: Nine deaths are reported after a fire swept through a house in Ohio early today. The blaze on Cleveland's east side started around 3:00 in the morning, killing seven children and two adults. Neighbors say they tried to put out the fire, but the flames were too strong. Paul Thomas from our affiliate WKYC has more.

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LEHEMA (ph) COLLINS, NEIGHBOR: I was woke up by breaking glass. It was shooting out the sides and had just started shooting out the front.

PAUL THOMAS, WKYC: Lehema (ph) Collins couldn't believe what she saw next door.

COLLINS: Whole bunch.

THOMAS: Eleven people inside the burning home, including seven kids, only two adults made it out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were neighbors who were attempting to gain entry into the structure. Obviously, you know, they were overwomened with the amount of fire.

THOMAS: Richard Carter lost his daughter and several grandchildren who lived here. Trembling, he asked for just one thing.

RICHARD CARTER, GRANDFATHER: I just want somebody to pray for me and my family.

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HARRIS: That was Paul Thomas from Cleveland affiliate WKYC.

The disappearance of two Idaho children is still a mystery. The search continues today for the brother and sister who vanished after three murders at their home. Now, CNN has obtained new video of the missing girl. CNN's Alina Cho is live from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, with the latest -- Alina.

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And Tony, that home video we've obtained was taken nine days ago just four days before 9-year-old Dylan and 8-year-old Shasta Groene disappeared. It is the first time we've seen any video of either of the two children. That video, by the way, shows little Shasta at school, presenting a science project. It was taken by a parent who has a child in Shasta's class and that parent apparently decided to release the video late yesterday, because he believed it might help someone recognize the children and help bring the children home. The two children have not been seen since the bodies of their mother, 13-year-old brother, and mother's boyfriend were found at their home on Monday night. Crime scene investigators do hope to wrap up their work at the home later today, and they have already begun sealing it up. And new details are emerging, too, about how the bodies were discovered. We have also obtained a tape of the 911 call made by a neighbor.

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BOB HOLLINGSWORTH, NEIGHBOR: I went to the door to pay the little kid $10 for mowing the lawn and there's blood all over the door. No one comes to the door and there car is there. And I tried to call them today and I didn't get them.

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CHO: The father of the children has asked for his privacy during this difficult time, understandably so, he has, however, granted one lengthy interview to "America's Most Wanted" in a show that will air tonight. Here is a portion of that interview.

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STEVE GROENE, FATHER OF MISSING CHILDREN: Somebody inflicted this, not only on everybody that was involved at the house, but on three families. And there is no preparing for something like this. A parent should not have to bury a child and burying three is unthinkable. I don't know that I would ever come to grips with that.

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CHO: Remember, Steve Groene lost his 13-year-old son, already. He is hoping he won't have to bury his two other missing children. Of course, investigators say they are still holding out hope that the two children will be found alive. They say they are in it, Tony, for the long haul.

HARRIS: For the long haul. All right. CNN's Alina Cho reporting for us. Alina, we appreciate it. Thank you.

In Florida, a bus brawl involving students and the school bus driver. It was caught on tape. Authorities in Punta Gorda released video of the fight. Take a look. They say it all began when the driver tried to get a student to the front of the bus. Investigators claim the student began cursing at the driver and the fight escalating. We're going to see more of that here in a second. The bus driver is charged with misdemeanor battery. Two students, 13 and 15 year olds have been charged with felonies.

Well, it's an unusual request. A death row inmate wants to donate his liver, but the patrol board may have a different view. Bruce Weinstein, our ethics guy, weighs in on the dilemma.

And understanding the mind of a terrorist: One camp has the training to tackle this problem, details ahead.

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HARRIS: A death row inmate convicted of murder is denied a chance to save his own sister's life. The Indiana patrol board, yesterday, rejected a bid for clemency from death row for death row inmate Gregory Scott Johnson. He also wanted a 90-day repreev to see if his liver would be a match for his sick sister. Johnson is scheduled to be executed Wednesday for the 1985 beating death of an elderly woman. Let's talk more about this case now with the "Ethics Guy." Bruce Weinstein is author of a new book "Life Principles: Feeling Good by Doing Good." Bruce joins us live from New York.

All right Bruce, here we go. Here is the ethical dilemma. Should the state of Indiana postpone the execution just to give the inmate a chance to donate his liver to his sister? What do you think?

BRUCE WEINSTEIN, ETHICS GUY: Yes, Tony the state should allow this condemned prisoner to donate his liver. After all, if the choice is between saving a life and not saving a life, life is a precious gift and it is the right thing to do to -- if we can, to save a human life. Now, in this particular case, the question may be moot, because as Joseph -- as Dr. Joseph Tecter told the Indianapolis "Star" yesterday it may be possible for the inmate's sister to get a liver elsewhere and it's not even clear if the inmate is a good match. But, this raises a broader question, would a just society -- would a good society allow a condemned prisoner to donate his or her organs? And there's already legal president for that, condemned inmates have donated kidneys, for example, in the past. So, the right thing to do, the just thing to do would be -- is to allow a person, in this case, to donate his or her organ to save another life.

HARRIS: At the very least, would you allow for the testing for come pattability to go forward?

WEINSTEIN: Well that's -- yes, I mean that's a necessary condition.

HARRIS: Yeah.

WEINSTEIN: If the potential donor is not compatible, than it's not worth continuing. And also, it's better to donate the entire liver, for clinical reasons, than part of the liver. But, as this -- the head of the transplant team in Indianapolis University said yesterday, it's possible in this case for the man's sister to get a full liver elsewhere in the state, so that the debate may be moot in this case.

HARRIS: Right. OK Bruce, our next question for you: Computer aided drafting, these cad programs, they're said to be very expensive and many engineers feel the upgrades are overly expensive and are unfair to the customer. But here's the question. Is it OK to improperly get a free upgrade? In other words to cheat someone who you think is cheating you and your company? What do you think?

WEINSTEIN: Well, two wrongs don't make a right, Tony. They never have and they never will. And it's in the business's own interest to treat its customers fairly, because by doing so, in the long run, they will not only get more business, they will keep that business. So, the right thing for the potential thief, if you will, is to avoid cheating the company. And the right thing for the company to do is to prevent the possibility of theft by treating the customers fairly and not charging outrageous fees for upgrades.

HARRIS: But Bruce, it's right there. It's free. You know most folks, given that choice, would probably -- the other option is that you've got to go through lengthy negotiations and try to bargain down a better price. That's lengthy, that's time consuming. It's right there, it's free. Why not take it?

WEINSTEIN: Well, you could make the same argument. You go into a store and see a lot of candy. And I mean, it's just one candy bar and what is that possibly going to hurt? I mean, it is theft and you know, we like to think, in our society, that it's wrong to steal. So, it is -- now, psychologically, it might be a difficult case, but ethically it's quite straightforward.

HARRIS: Yeah, thought I would try anyway. OK, Bruce. Appreciate it.

If you have an ethics question, send your e-mail to ethics@CNN.com.

It is not your normal camp. In fact, it's quite the opposite. We'll take you inside where American soldiers and law officers learn to think like a terrorist.

Plus, she is an incredibly talented college student and she has autism. It's a story of overcoming challenges, ahead on CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: Checking the latest developments now, First Lady Laura Bush urged Mideast leaders to provide literacy skills to women and help them acquire political and economic power. At the World Economic Forum in Jordan, Mrs. Bush praised Kuwait's new law granting women the right to vote.

We have new video of a missing Idaho girl who, along with her brother, disappeared from their home earlier this week. A reported sighting of the two turned out to be mistaken and authorities say they just don't have much to go on. Eight-year-old Shasta K. Groene and 9- year-old Dylan were last seen Sunday. Their mother, their brother and their mother's boyfriend had been killed.

The military begins using a new laser warning system in the nation's capital today. When pilots see colored laser beams, it means they're flying in restricted air space and should turn away. The Pentagon says the goal is to avoid what happened earlier this month when a small place forced evacuations by getting too close to the White House. And now to "Security Watch" -- here are some of the week's major developments in the War on Terror. Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff wants to create a quicker system for some travelers. It would let so-called "trusted travelers" to get from point A to point B without constant screening at airports. He says that would let his department focus on those who are not on the trusted list.

Chertoff's comments follow to similar incidents in a single week. In both cases, transatlantic flights were diverted because a passenger's name appeared on the no-fly list. Both episodes were false alarms.

Meantime, lawmakers are trying to close a loophole in airline security. They want to get all cargo inspected before it's shipped on commercial airliners by 2008. Until then, they want airlines to notify passengers if unchecked cargo is on their flight. Both items have been proposed as amendments to the 2006 Homeland Security spending bill.

Well, those in the front lines in the War on Terrorism are learning that in order to fight the enemy, they must first learn to think like the enemy. CNN's Tom Foremen takes to us a terrorist training camp for American soldiers.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Call to Prayer comes at dawn, and the faithful answer. Disciplined, dedicated, pausing before their day explodes.

This is life at Mirror Image, a camp in the Carolina woods where American soldiers and law officers learn to think like radical Islamic terrorists and they do it in a radical way. In real life, many are engaged in such sensitive undercover work, we concealed their identities. But here for one week they read the Koran, pray and train just as real terrorists do.

MATTHEW DEVOST, TERRORISM RESEARCH CENTER: You want to understand the cultural and philosophical dimensions of it.

FOREMAN: Matthew Devost is the founder the Terrorism Research Center, a Washington, DC-based company which developed Mirror Image.

DEVOST: Terrorists are trained to attack in certain ways. So when you're out there defending, you need to be aware.

It really is important to kind of know thy enemy so that you're better prepared to defend against them.

DEVOST: To that end, real attacks in places such as Iraq are re- created here. But this roadside assault is not all make believe. The guns are real, outfitted to fire stinging paint ball-like bullets called Simunition.

These men and women have been taught to defend against such assaults but have never mounted one and that is a critical difference, because as instructor Walter Purdy points out, it is difficult to imagine what an enemy can do if you've never tried it.

WALTER PURDY, TERRORISM RESEARCH CENTER: We have seen lots of individuals that have good skills unfortunately get killed in these wars across the world because they didn't have the recognition of where a threat may come from.

FOREMAN: Teaching them to recognize the threats means showing them how terrorists' weapons work. How to build makeshift bombs, how to plot assassinations, how to kill from the back of a motorcycle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first time is rather hard. The second time gets a lot easier. The third time you feel like a pro.

FOREMAN (on camera): This is not the sort of thing that American soldiers are routinely taught. But this is the sort of thing that is being learned every day in terrorist camps all around the world.

(voice-over): How do the Mirror Image creators know that?

DEVOST: We have studied the manuals that they put out, the documents that they put out, translate some of their strategic thinking, do analysis of the videos that have been released.

FOREMAN: The result, see for yourself. Side by side, Mirror Image sessions are identical to real terrorist training. And there is something more.

DEVOST: We've got, you know, a diverse group of experts that have actually interacted with people in training camps that we bring in.

FOREMAN: Terrorist training camps.

DEVOST: Terrorist training camps, the real deal.

FOREMAN: Like Andrew Garfield, who spent years in the British army battling the IRA.

ANDREW GARFIELD, TERRORISM RESEARCH CENTER: There are always likely to be some terrorists. But we can make it almost impossible for them to succeed and to operate with impunity.

FOREMAN: The greatest challenge here, he says, is getting professional soldiers to understand the mindset of a terrorist whose aim is not to engage in open warfare, or to capture territory, but instead the terrorist seeks to exhaust, demoralize and scare his opponents.

GARFIELD: He's not trying to defeat us through force of arms. He can only achieve his goals by us determining that the cost of engagement of being involved in these conflicts is too great and the benefits are too small.

FOREMAN: Object lessons to make these students respect such enemies are prized. When the team goes the firing range, I'm asked to grab an automatic weapon and demonstrate how deadly an untrained combatant can be. It takes me five shots to find the target. But then every shot strikes home.

(on camera): It doesn't take that long for somebody that doesn't know that much about this to hit something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly.

GARFIELD: One round on target and they have achieved their objective. They getaway, great. If they don't, they're a martyr.

FOREMAN: It is surprising how much of what is taught here is about diplomacy and politics. But the instructors make it clear the greatest weapon of terrorists is the ability to manipulate public sentiment, to recruit followers.

GARFIELD: One has to look at what is motivating them. That's what we're trying to teach on this course. The human emotions, the human psychology, the community issues, the grievances, some of which are real.

FOREMAN: The students take it all in and within days, they are preaching the Gospel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today the war is amorphous. It is global.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What people need to understand now is there is no front line. It is everywhere.

FOREMAN: Graduation Day. Trainees break into teams of 12, each team has a mission.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Truck drives in. Boom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boom.

FOREMAN: Using their new skills, they will invade a mock village, take out four highly trained guards.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you see the threat, engage them.

FOREMAN: And assassinate a government leader. Played by me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Move out!

FOREMAN: From the first shot, the first team performs well. They sweep in, hit fast, kill comes within a minute.

(on camera): I got hit here and here and here and here and here.

(voice-over): It takes the second team much longer. Their plan too cumbersome, too slow. They have not taken the terrorist lessons to heart and my guards quickly hustle me to safety.

(on camera): I think I might survive this time.

(voice-over): The last assault, however, is picture perfect. The team moves quickly, they take casualties, but like true terrorists, they don't care. My guards drop one by one. I grab a pistol. Too late, a blistering hail of gunfire ends the drill.

(on camera): It is all pretend, but you realize how confusing these situations are and you see it both from the people defending and the people who are attacking.

(voice-over): This is not war by the rules, but it is the type of war American soldiers face every day. It is, according to many military minds, a winnable war, but only if American fighters can learn to see the world as their enemies do, and find in that Mirror Image the understanding what it will take to defeat them.

Tom Foreman, CNN, Moyock, North Carolina.

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HARRIS: And stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

And, coming up on CNN LIVE SATURDAY, 200 people were on hand to wish one happy couple well. Find out why this particular wedding got so much attention.

Plus, taste-testing is always fun, but touring wine country in northern California can lead to some tough decisions. We'll tell you how to make the most out of your taste bud excursions.

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HARRIS: In "News Across America," saved by his badge, a Berkeley, California, police officer is thanking his lucky star. This one, his badge, backed up by a bullet-proof vest, appears to have saved his life. The officer was shot in the chest Tuesday by a suspect during a foot chase. The suspect is being held on attempted murder charges.

Former teacher, Mary Kay Letourneau is now married to the former sixth-grade student she was convicted of raping. He is now 22. The couple wed last night at a winery outside of Seattle. The two children that they have together attended. Letourneau spent more than seven years in prison for the rape. She was released last August.

And, in Breckenridge, Colorado, one skier is dead after an avalanche slid into the Arapaho base and ski area Friday morning. The unidentified male is the fifth skier to die in Colorado avalanches this season.

Now, for a quick check of weather across America, here's meteorologist Rob Marciano.

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HARRIS: If you are a wine lover, we have some tours for you. We will tell you how to get the most out of your experience and the best time of year to go. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HARRIS: This is going to be fun. Our "Weekend Getaway" takes us to the West Coast and America's wine country, miles of vineyards, quaint bed and breakfast, and glasses of wine for tasting. "The Wine Lover's Guide to the Wine Country" is our guide this Saturday. Authors Nancy Garfinkel and Lori Lyn Narlock join us from New York. Ladies, good to see you.

NANCY GARFINKEL "WINE LOVER'S GUIDE": Hi. How are you?

LORI LYN NARLOCK, "WINE LOVER'S GUIDE": Nice to be here.

HARRIS: You know what? Nancy, let me start with you. There are books upon books on shelves all over the place on wine country. What differentiates your book from those?

GARFINKEL: I think there are three important things. One is that our book is completely wine-centric. Everything in it is about the enjoyment, the purchase, the drinking and the love of wine.

Second is that we wrote it for wine lovers of every strife, from the neophyte drinker to the seasoned oenophile. And thirdly, it's a collaborative effort. Lori was born in the wine country and has wine running through her veins. I'm from the East Coast and bring a fresh visitor perspective and I think, combined, we bring a lot of information for people to have an efficient and really enjoyable trip.

HARRIS: Lori, OK, what are the areas -- what are the areas that are must-sees? No, no, no, let me start even before that. Am I landing in California, in Los Angeles, or am I flying into San Francisco? Where am I starting this trip?

NARLOCK: You're starting either in San Francisco, Oakland or Sacramento. Those are the three closest airports, and then you're going to drive up into the valleys, either Napa Valley or Sonoma Valley, and you can sort of go around one of those to get up to Mendocino and further out west in Sonoma County. But, really, you want to start -- for the best enjoyment, Napa Valley or Sonoma Valley and wind your way north.

HARRIS: You know, I mentioned Los Angeles because a lot of folks land in Los Angeles and drive on the PCH to get there, but you're saying either Oakland or San Francisco to make the trip?

NARLOCK: Absolutely. It would be a beautiful drive up from L.A., but would add another day or two to your whole visit.

HARRIS: Got you. OK, so, I'm in Napa. I'm in Napa. What are the must-sees, Lori, in Napa?

NARLOCK: Schramsberg. You have to go to Schramsberg. It's beautiful. It's historic. They do an amazing tour all through their caves. They're a sparkling wine producer, so it's a different perspective on the whole wine-making process, and it's followed by a tasting of their wines. They're superb. I would definitely hit Schramsberg.

HARRIS: Nancy, what do you think? What about Sonoma?

GARFINKEL: Sonoma? Well, actually...

NARLOCK: I'm going to answer this.

GARFINKEL: OK.

HARRIS: OK.

NARLOCK: Honsdale (ph). We love Honsdale, and it's a charming little property on its own little hillside in the town of Sonoma, in the town of Sonoma. And, they make a chardonnay and a pinot noir. They're very distinctive. They're for aging, and they've recently added some caves as well, but the historic building where they've been making the wine since they started in the '50s is just really quaint and lovely.

HARRIS: How much actual wine-tasting do we get to do on this trip?

GARFINKEL: A lot. The thing that you can expect at every winery is to taste wine.

HARRIS: Yes.

GARFINKEL: And there -- the policies around -- paying for it -- vary from place to place, but you can often taste for free, or for a nominal fee. You can taste a wide variety. Wineries tend to pour what they're in the mood to pour or what they're known for, and they pour it with great pleasure. And they'd like to educate you as well, so be sure to speak to your pourer about the area that they're in, about the kind of grapes used to make the wine you're about to drink.

HARRIS: Yes, and, quickly, is there a best time to visit?

NARLOCK: There's no bad time to visit, but harvest, I would suggest, if you really want to learn the most about wine-making, because you can see the whole thing, from bringing in the grapes, to crushing, to watching the wine being pressed from the tank and put into the barrels, but fall and all the way through spring, it gets quiet. It's lovely. It's green and lush and it's much easier to get into the wineries that might otherwise be crowded. It's a great time to visit. We always have moderate weather, so there's really no time bad time to visit but harvest would probably be a really magical time.

HARRIS: OK, let's push the book. One more time, "The Wine Lover's Guide to the Wine Country," authors Nancy Garfinkel and Lori Lyn Narlock. Thank you for visiting with us.

GARFINKEL: Thank you.

NARLOCK: Thank you.

HARRIS: A young woman suffering with autism finds her voice in a unique documentary.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love learning, yet being looked upon as feeble-minded is something I have been forced to endure my entire life.

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HARRIS: We'll show you how she overcomes many obstacles, including the challenge of attending college, straight ahead.

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HARRIS: For years, Sue Rubin says she was her own worst nightmare. She has autism and until age 13, she was unable to communicate or control her unusual behavior. Now, at 26, Sue has become a disabled rights advocate and a college student with a top IQ. She is the writer of "Autism is a World," coming up on "CNN PRESENTS." Actress Julianna Margulies gives voice to her words. Here is an excerpt.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm a junior at Whittier College majoring in history. I attend classes with Ashley (ph), my friend and support staff.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, ready to go inside? OK. One, two, three.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, the Cairo conference. Remember, they'll be talking about this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ashley takes notes for me and is available when I want to communicate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Randy Caldera (ph)? Jennifer Eastlake (ph)? Sue Rubin? Sully Vega (ph)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First thing we're going to do, I'm going to start talking a little bit about ideologies and philosophies that were brought into play by the arrival of colonialism first and then the rise of the national movement in parts of the Arab world.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Autism is a constant struggle. It takes every ounce of energy I have to sit somewhat quietly during a two-hour lecture.

I love learning, yet being looked upon as feeble-minded is something I have been force today endure my entire life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good job. You can make it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actually, in the times I'm not fully engaged in school, I find that I am more susceptible to awful autism.

(END VIDEO CLIP) HARRIS: The Academy-award nominated documentary, "Autism is a World," will premiere on "CNN PRESENTS" tomorrow night at 8:00 Eastern. There is much more ahead on CNN Saturday in a few moments.

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TONY HARRIS, HOST: It is 12:00 Noon on the East coast, 9:00 am in the West. I'm Tony Harris at CNN's Global Headquarters. Fredricka Whitfield has the afternoon off. Ahead this hour:
Fallout from Saddam Hussein's secret photos. What impact it may have in Iraq and fighting insurgents.

Also:

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terrorists are train today attack in certain ways. So, when you're out there defending, you need to be aware, it really is important to kind of know thy enemy.

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HARRIS: In-depth on understanding the mind of a terrorist. We have rare, behind the scenes access to a terror training camp, but this on teaches U.S. soldiers how terrorists think and act. This give U.S. soldiers a better change to defend and defeat the insurgents.

Also, this is new video of the missing girl in Idaho. Live with the latest on the search for this girl and her brother, but, first, a look at top stories now in the news.

President Bush is heading to Michigan to deliver a commencement address. Mr. Bush is the key note speaker at Calvin College's graduation ceremonies. The event in Grand Rapids begins a couple of hours from now.

A face to face meeting between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas appears to be just weeks away. An official for the Palestinian leader tells CNN the meeting will take place June 7. Israel has not confirmed the date.

NASA has wrapped up a fuel tank test on the space shuttle Discovery. The test is said to have been a success. And right now, Discovery's return to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) is set for mid-July. The shuttle fleet been grounded since Columbia broke apart over Texas two years ago. We begin with another twist in the jailhouse photo scandal involving Saddam Hussein. A British tabloid the "Sun" of London has published another picture of a former Iraqi dictator. And in Washington, the U.S. military vows to aggressively investigate the leaked photos. The latest now from CNN's senior Pentagon correspondent, Jamie McIntyre.

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JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The "Sun" newspapers flashed the picture of the underwear-clad dictator on its front page. The British tabloid claimed the photo, along with several others showing Saddam Hussein in captivity were handed over by U.S. military sources who, it said, hoped to deal a body blow to the resistance in Iraq. Instead, the unauthorized release dealt the U.S. military another public relation's nightmare, by provoking outrage from many Iraqis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): It is not acceptable to show a president in such way. It must respect the name of a president all over the world, regardless of if he is a dictator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): What we saw on TV is not right. Saddam Hussein is an Iraqi and we are a civilized country.

MCINTYRE: In a statement the U.S. military in Baghdad said the photos were taken in clear violation of DOD directives and possibly Geneva Convention guidelines, and expressed disappointment that someone responsible for the security, welfare, and detention of Saddam would provide these photos for public release.

Military sources tell CNN, based on the way Saddam looks and the backgrounds, the images appear to have been taken between January and April of 2004 and may have come from a security camera that monitors Saddam around the clock. The military says it is taking the unauthorized release very seriously.

The last thing the U.S. needs is a repeat of the violent demonstrations that is followed an erroneous report that military investigators confirmed U.S. interrogators desecrated a Koran. "Newsweek" magazine retracted the story and President Bush downplayed the idea that the Saddam pictures could spark similar protests.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't think a photo inspires murders. I think they're inspired by an ideology that is so barbaric and backwards that it's hard for many in the Western world to comprehend how they think.

MCINTYRE: A second set of pictures published by the "Sun" Saturday, shows Saddam Hussein is shown praying behind barbed wire, but also shows two other captives: The man dubbed "Chemical Ali" for his alleged role in using poison gas against the Kurds, and a woman nicknamed "Chemical Sally" or "Mrs. Anthrax" for her part in Iraq's germ program.

(on camera): The military says only a small number of people have access to the super secure jail where Saddam Hussein is being held and that personal cameras are banned from the facility. The U.S. is promising an aggressive investigation. Jamie McIntyre, CNN, the Pentagon.

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HARRIS: Well, Iraqis are getting their first look at the revealing photos of their former dictator. For some reaction we turn now to Baghdad and CNN's Ryan Chilcote -- Ryan.

RYAN CHILCOTE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Tony. Well, the photos didn't get on to all of the Arab -- al of the Arabic language channels here, all of the regional channels. Al Jazeera, for one, said that the photos don't live up to their requirements for decency on their air, nor did the photos make it into the Friday papers, here, but they were certainly in the papers today.

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CHILCOTE (voice-over): On the news stands of Baghdad, beneath the glamour shots of Arab and Western models, front page photos of a half-naked saddam hussein. Iraqis snapped them up, but draw different views. Dr. Amar Sabar (ph) found them distasteful and had no doubt about why they've appeared in the newspapers.

DR. AMAR SABAR, IRAQI CITIZEN: I think to humiliate Iraqi people.

CHILCOTE: In country where proper opinion polls are impossible, our unscientific survey came up with one universal conclusion. .

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): These photos are unacceptable, immoral, and hurt all Iraqis regardless of whether we like or disliked the previous regime. At the end of the day, Saddam was the president of Iraq. It is unacceptable for the American administration.

CHILCOTE: One man did get a kick out of them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): He is sitting in the cell he deserves. With no A/C in there maybe he got hot and decided to take off some clothes. Besides, he'd already humiliated himself and his country with what he did to it.

CHILCOTE: At an internet cafe, we found two women who looked, but refused to talk. Tabal Hassin (ph) had just finished a Google search for Saddam and sex when we walked up. He, like everyone we spoke with, blamed the U.S. government for the photo's release.

TABAL HASSIN, INTERNET SEARCHER (through translator): I am sure the new photos were published on purpose. It's a clear message to all the Arab leaders who oppose America. They will end up in a small jail facing humiliation.

CHILCOTE: Some of the people we spoke with recalled the photos from Abu Ghraib. (END VIDEOTAPE)

CHILCOTE: And that's just the thing, Tony. There's very little, if you will, pity for Saddam Hussein in Iraq, but this is clearly going to hurt the U.S.'s reputation, particularly after a similar incident with those photos from Abu Ghraib.

HARRIS: Yeah. OK, Ryan Chilcote for us in Baghdad. Ryan, thank you.

As Iraq continues its path toward democracy, the battle against the insurgency goes on. Colonel David Bishop is with us now, from Baghdad, to talk about the ongoing operations there. He is the commander of the U.S. Army's 3rd Brigade, 1st Armored Division.

Colonel, thanks for talking with us.

COL. DAVID BISHOP, U.S. ARMY 3RD BRIGADE, 1ST ARMORED DIV.: Good to be here.

HARRIS: Well, first of all, let me get your reaction to the news of these photos all over the papers there in Iraq. Is it going to make the job, your job and the job of your soldiers more difficult on the ground, battling the insurgency?

BISHOP: Well clearly, it was the wrong thing to do. We share the same opinion as most other people that you shouldn't treat people like that regardless of what they've done. Thus far, though, we haven't seen any backlash from the local community here regarding the photos.

HARRIS: Colonel, let me ask you, a lot of us thought the elections would stem the tide, so to speak, of the insurgency in Iraq. Did you share that opinion?

BISHOP: Well, we weren't sure what to expect following the elections. I can tell you that over the last year, the level of attacks has remained pretty much constant. There's been some spikes and some trofs, but over the year, it's been pretty much the same. In fact, April, May of last year, we had 100 attacks in this brigade area. And thus far, we're at 83 with a few weeks remaining. So, it's pretty much the same. The good news is, we're losing fewer American soldiers. Of course, any American soldier killed is significant, but the good news is, that's on a decline.

HARRIS: You mentioned the spikes. You do acknowledge there has been a spike recently in violence. How do you explain that? And what is going on? Give us a sense of what you're seeing on the ground.

BISHOP: Well, there's been a few spikes throughout the year, but there's also been periods of very low activity, as well. And this week, we had three days in this brigade area with no significant activities to report. I think that it takes the enemy considerable time to amass his resources, plan and coordinate operations and that's when we see the lulls. And then when we see the spike is when he carries out his attacks. I think it's just as simple as that. HARRIS: Colonel, how concerned are you about the possibility of sectarian violence, a civil war in Iraq?

BISHOP: Well, that's a possibility I think everyone is concerned about, but thus far, I haven't seen any indicators of a lack of restraint. In fact, I'm very pleased with the amount of restraint shown by the Shia, in particular, with the new Iraqi government. We don't see a whole lot of signs of abuse by the Iraqi security forces and things of that nature. So, I'm hopeful and optimistic, so far.

HARRIS: With so much of the violence being centered, when you do get these spikes that you mentioned, with so much of it being centered in that Sunni Triangle, in the Baghdad area, just a question, is it possible to launch a kind of Fallujah-style offensive in and around greater Baghdad?

BISHOP: Well, I don't want to speculate on any future plans or operations. I could tell you that we don't want to conduct major offensive operations in urban areas unless we absolutely have to. And I don't see any indicator that that's necessary or likely to occur in the near future.

HARRIS: OK. Colonel David Bishop is with us from Baghdad. Colonel, we appreciate your time. Thanks for talking to us.

BISHOP: Thank you.

HARRIS: Some are calling it a charm offensive. First Lady Laura Bush, is on a Mideast tour to soften anti-American sentiment and press for women's rights. CNN White House correspondent, Suzanne Malveaux is with the first lady, whose mission begins in Jordan.

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): First Lady, Laura Bush, atop the mountain where Moses once stood.

LAURA BUSH, FIRST LADY: It's a beautiful place to come. I'm really thrilled to be here.

MALVEAUX: Her focus, however, on this overseas trip, promoting progress for women in the Middle East.

L. BUSH: All people, men and women, want to contribute to the success of their country. And all people, men and women, must have the opportunity to do so.

MALVEAUX: At the World Economic Forum, the first lady delivered that no-nonsense message before a polite audience made up of mostly of Middle Eastern government and business officials.

L. BUSH: Freedom, especially freedom for women, is more than the absence of oppression.

MALVEAUX: Mrs. Bush used the aftermath of America's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as some examples of women's liberation. L. BUSH: Afghan women are relishing their new freedom. More than two million little girls are back in school.

MALVEAUX: New opportunities for women, a welcomed message for some.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's now more than ever coming also from within the countries to develop women and empowering women.

MALVEAUX: But, others here say while they may agree with the first lady's message, the problem is with the messenger, since the Iraq war and the Abu Ghraib Prison abuse scandal, the united states has suffered a poor image in the Middle East. Some, here, say the Bush administration would fair better if it changed its tone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the Middle East needs an emotional tone, it needs a friendndship, emotional tone rather than a public speech.

MALVEAUX: Later in the day, Mrs. Bush visited students with Jordan's King Abdullah and Queen Rania to highlight their educational system as a model for the Middle East. Afterwards, it was lunch with those who benefited from that education, Jordanian business women.

(on camera): Mrs. Bush's next stop, Israel and the West Bank to visit Christian, Muslim, and Jewish holy sites, in an effort for the administration to focus on what they say is a new broader approach in the Middle East, rewarding those who are engaged in economic and political reforms.

Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, the Dead Sea, Jordan.

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HARRIS: The search continues for two Idaho children. This is new video of the little girl. We'll have a report next from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.

And this was not typical fight after school. A violent bus beating was caught on tape between a bus driver and some students. Plus:

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today, the war is amorphous, it's global.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What people need to understand now is that there is no front line. It's everywhere.

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HARRIS: A unique training camp that teaches American soldiers how to think like a terrorist. Can it help in the fight?

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ROB MARCIANO, CNN METEOROLOGIST: I'm Rob Marciano at the CNN Weather Center. It's time for our check on the pollens. The allergy forecast, once again, pretty much south of the Mason Dixon line is where you're going to see the worst case scenario where pollens are still high still across the deep South: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. Now the hardwoods are kicking in as well as the grasses. And hardwood is starting to sneak into the picture as far as ragweeds out west. The farther north you go and the more rain you see this weekend, the better you'll feel. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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HARRIS: Nine deaths are reported after a fire swept through a house in Ohio early today. The blaze on Cleveland's east side started around 3:00 in the morning, killing seven children and two adults. Neighbors say they tried to put out the fire, but the flames were too strong. Paul Thomas from our affiliate WKYC has more.

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LEHEMA (ph) COLLINS, NEIGHBOR: I was woke up by breaking glass. It was shooting out the sides and had just started shooting out the front.

PAUL THOMAS, WKYC: Lehema (ph) Collins couldn't believe what she saw next door.

COLLINS: Whole bunch.

THOMAS: Eleven people inside the burning home, including seven kids, only two adults made it out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were neighbors who were attempting to gain entry into the structure. Obviously, you know, they were overwomened with the amount of fire.

THOMAS: Richard Carter lost his daughter and several grandchildren who lived here. Trembling, he asked for just one thing.

RICHARD CARTER, GRANDFATHER: I just want somebody to pray for me and my family.

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HARRIS: That was Paul Thomas from Cleveland affiliate WKYC.

The disappearance of two Idaho children is still a mystery. The search continues today for the brother and sister who vanished after three murders at their home. Now, CNN has obtained new video of the missing girl. CNN's Alina Cho is live from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, with the latest -- Alina.

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And Tony, that home video we've obtained was taken nine days ago just four days before 9-year-old Dylan and 8-year-old Shasta Groene disappeared. It is the first time we've seen any video of either of the two children. That video, by the way, shows little Shasta at school, presenting a science project. It was taken by a parent who has a child in Shasta's class and that parent apparently decided to release the video late yesterday, because he believed it might help someone recognize the children and help bring the children home. The two children have not been seen since the bodies of their mother, 13-year-old brother, and mother's boyfriend were found at their home on Monday night. Crime scene investigators do hope to wrap up their work at the home later today, and they have already begun sealing it up. And new details are emerging, too, about how the bodies were discovered. We have also obtained a tape of the 911 call made by a neighbor.

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BOB HOLLINGSWORTH, NEIGHBOR: I went to the door to pay the little kid $10 for mowing the lawn and there's blood all over the door. No one comes to the door and there car is there. And I tried to call them today and I didn't get them.

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CHO: The father of the children has asked for his privacy during this difficult time, understandably so, he has, however, granted one lengthy interview to "America's Most Wanted" in a show that will air tonight. Here is a portion of that interview.

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STEVE GROENE, FATHER OF MISSING CHILDREN: Somebody inflicted this, not only on everybody that was involved at the house, but on three families. And there is no preparing for something like this. A parent should not have to bury a child and burying three is unthinkable. I don't know that I would ever come to grips with that.

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CHO: Remember, Steve Groene lost his 13-year-old son, already. He is hoping he won't have to bury his two other missing children. Of course, investigators say they are still holding out hope that the two children will be found alive. They say they are in it, Tony, for the long haul.

HARRIS: For the long haul. All right. CNN's Alina Cho reporting for us. Alina, we appreciate it. Thank you.

In Florida, a bus brawl involving students and the school bus driver. It was caught on tape. Authorities in Punta Gorda released video of the fight. Take a look. They say it all began when the driver tried to get a student to the front of the bus. Investigators claim the student began cursing at the driver and the fight escalating. We're going to see more of that here in a second. The bus driver is charged with misdemeanor battery. Two students, 13 and 15 year olds have been charged with felonies.

Well, it's an unusual request. A death row inmate wants to donate his liver, but the patrol board may have a different view. Bruce Weinstein, our ethics guy, weighs in on the dilemma.

And understanding the mind of a terrorist: One camp has the training to tackle this problem, details ahead.

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HARRIS: A death row inmate convicted of murder is denied a chance to save his own sister's life. The Indiana patrol board, yesterday, rejected a bid for clemency from death row for death row inmate Gregory Scott Johnson. He also wanted a 90-day repreev to see if his liver would be a match for his sick sister. Johnson is scheduled to be executed Wednesday for the 1985 beating death of an elderly woman. Let's talk more about this case now with the "Ethics Guy." Bruce Weinstein is author of a new book "Life Principles: Feeling Good by Doing Good." Bruce joins us live from New York.

All right Bruce, here we go. Here is the ethical dilemma. Should the state of Indiana postpone the execution just to give the inmate a chance to donate his liver to his sister? What do you think?

BRUCE WEINSTEIN, ETHICS GUY: Yes, Tony the state should allow this condemned prisoner to donate his liver. After all, if the choice is between saving a life and not saving a life, life is a precious gift and it is the right thing to do to -- if we can, to save a human life. Now, in this particular case, the question may be moot, because as Joseph -- as Dr. Joseph Tecter told the Indianapolis "Star" yesterday it may be possible for the inmate's sister to get a liver elsewhere and it's not even clear if the inmate is a good match. But, this raises a broader question, would a just society -- would a good society allow a condemned prisoner to donate his or her organs? And there's already legal president for that, condemned inmates have donated kidneys, for example, in the past. So, the right thing to do, the just thing to do would be -- is to allow a person, in this case, to donate his or her organ to save another life.

HARRIS: At the very least, would you allow for the testing for come pattability to go forward?

WEINSTEIN: Well that's -- yes, I mean that's a necessary condition.

HARRIS: Yeah.

WEINSTEIN: If the potential donor is not compatible, than it's not worth continuing. And also, it's better to donate the entire liver, for clinical reasons, than part of the liver. But, as this -- the head of the transplant team in Indianapolis University said yesterday, it's possible in this case for the man's sister to get a full liver elsewhere in the state, so that the debate may be moot in this case.

HARRIS: Right. OK Bruce, our next question for you: Computer aided drafting, these cad programs, they're said to be very expensive and many engineers feel the upgrades are overly expensive and are unfair to the customer. But here's the question. Is it OK to improperly get a free upgrade? In other words to cheat someone who you think is cheating you and your company? What do you think?

WEINSTEIN: Well, two wrongs don't make a right, Tony. They never have and they never will. And it's in the business's own interest to treat its customers fairly, because by doing so, in the long run, they will not only get more business, they will keep that business. So, the right thing for the potential thief, if you will, is to avoid cheating the company. And the right thing for the company to do is to prevent the possibility of theft by treating the customers fairly and not charging outrageous fees for upgrades.

HARRIS: But Bruce, it's right there. It's free. You know most folks, given that choice, would probably -- the other option is that you've got to go through lengthy negotiations and try to bargain down a better price. That's lengthy, that's time consuming. It's right there, it's free. Why not take it?

WEINSTEIN: Well, you could make the same argument. You go into a store and see a lot of candy. And I mean, it's just one candy bar and what is that possibly going to hurt? I mean, it is theft and you know, we like to think, in our society, that it's wrong to steal. So, it is -- now, psychologically, it might be a difficult case, but ethically it's quite straightforward.

HARRIS: Yeah, thought I would try anyway. OK, Bruce. Appreciate it.

If you have an ethics question, send your e-mail to ethics@CNN.com.

It is not your normal camp. In fact, it's quite the opposite. We'll take you inside where American soldiers and law officers learn to think like a terrorist.

Plus, she is an incredibly talented college student and she has autism. It's a story of overcoming challenges, ahead on CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: Checking the latest developments now, First Lady Laura Bush urged Mideast leaders to provide literacy skills to women and help them acquire political and economic power. At the World Economic Forum in Jordan, Mrs. Bush praised Kuwait's new law granting women the right to vote.

We have new video of a missing Idaho girl who, along with her brother, disappeared from their home earlier this week. A reported sighting of the two turned out to be mistaken and authorities say they just don't have much to go on. Eight-year-old Shasta K. Groene and 9- year-old Dylan were last seen Sunday. Their mother, their brother and their mother's boyfriend had been killed.

The military begins using a new laser warning system in the nation's capital today. When pilots see colored laser beams, it means they're flying in restricted air space and should turn away. The Pentagon says the goal is to avoid what happened earlier this month when a small place forced evacuations by getting too close to the White House. And now to "Security Watch" -- here are some of the week's major developments in the War on Terror. Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff wants to create a quicker system for some travelers. It would let so-called "trusted travelers" to get from point A to point B without constant screening at airports. He says that would let his department focus on those who are not on the trusted list.

Chertoff's comments follow to similar incidents in a single week. In both cases, transatlantic flights were diverted because a passenger's name appeared on the no-fly list. Both episodes were false alarms.

Meantime, lawmakers are trying to close a loophole in airline security. They want to get all cargo inspected before it's shipped on commercial airliners by 2008. Until then, they want airlines to notify passengers if unchecked cargo is on their flight. Both items have been proposed as amendments to the 2006 Homeland Security spending bill.

Well, those in the front lines in the War on Terrorism are learning that in order to fight the enemy, they must first learn to think like the enemy. CNN's Tom Foremen takes to us a terrorist training camp for American soldiers.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Call to Prayer comes at dawn, and the faithful answer. Disciplined, dedicated, pausing before their day explodes.

This is life at Mirror Image, a camp in the Carolina woods where American soldiers and law officers learn to think like radical Islamic terrorists and they do it in a radical way. In real life, many are engaged in such sensitive undercover work, we concealed their identities. But here for one week they read the Koran, pray and train just as real terrorists do.

MATTHEW DEVOST, TERRORISM RESEARCH CENTER: You want to understand the cultural and philosophical dimensions of it.

FOREMAN: Matthew Devost is the founder the Terrorism Research Center, a Washington, DC-based company which developed Mirror Image.

DEVOST: Terrorists are trained to attack in certain ways. So when you're out there defending, you need to be aware.

It really is important to kind of know thy enemy so that you're better prepared to defend against them.

DEVOST: To that end, real attacks in places such as Iraq are re- created here. But this roadside assault is not all make believe. The guns are real, outfitted to fire stinging paint ball-like bullets called Simunition.

These men and women have been taught to defend against such assaults but have never mounted one and that is a critical difference, because as instructor Walter Purdy points out, it is difficult to imagine what an enemy can do if you've never tried it.

WALTER PURDY, TERRORISM RESEARCH CENTER: We have seen lots of individuals that have good skills unfortunately get killed in these wars across the world because they didn't have the recognition of where a threat may come from.

FOREMAN: Teaching them to recognize the threats means showing them how terrorists' weapons work. How to build makeshift bombs, how to plot assassinations, how to kill from the back of a motorcycle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first time is rather hard. The second time gets a lot easier. The third time you feel like a pro.

FOREMAN (on camera): This is not the sort of thing that American soldiers are routinely taught. But this is the sort of thing that is being learned every day in terrorist camps all around the world.

(voice-over): How do the Mirror Image creators know that?

DEVOST: We have studied the manuals that they put out, the documents that they put out, translate some of their strategic thinking, do analysis of the videos that have been released.

FOREMAN: The result, see for yourself. Side by side, Mirror Image sessions are identical to real terrorist training. And there is something more.

DEVOST: We've got, you know, a diverse group of experts that have actually interacted with people in training camps that we bring in.

FOREMAN: Terrorist training camps.

DEVOST: Terrorist training camps, the real deal.

FOREMAN: Like Andrew Garfield, who spent years in the British army battling the IRA.

ANDREW GARFIELD, TERRORISM RESEARCH CENTER: There are always likely to be some terrorists. But we can make it almost impossible for them to succeed and to operate with impunity.

FOREMAN: The greatest challenge here, he says, is getting professional soldiers to understand the mindset of a terrorist whose aim is not to engage in open warfare, or to capture territory, but instead the terrorist seeks to exhaust, demoralize and scare his opponents.

GARFIELD: He's not trying to defeat us through force of arms. He can only achieve his goals by us determining that the cost of engagement of being involved in these conflicts is too great and the benefits are too small.

FOREMAN: Object lessons to make these students respect such enemies are prized. When the team goes the firing range, I'm asked to grab an automatic weapon and demonstrate how deadly an untrained combatant can be. It takes me five shots to find the target. But then every shot strikes home.

(on camera): It doesn't take that long for somebody that doesn't know that much about this to hit something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly.

GARFIELD: One round on target and they have achieved their objective. They getaway, great. If they don't, they're a martyr.

FOREMAN: It is surprising how much of what is taught here is about diplomacy and politics. But the instructors make it clear the greatest weapon of terrorists is the ability to manipulate public sentiment, to recruit followers.

GARFIELD: One has to look at what is motivating them. That's what we're trying to teach on this course. The human emotions, the human psychology, the community issues, the grievances, some of which are real.

FOREMAN: The students take it all in and within days, they are preaching the Gospel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today the war is amorphous. It is global.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What people need to understand now is there is no front line. It is everywhere.

FOREMAN: Graduation Day. Trainees break into teams of 12, each team has a mission.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Truck drives in. Boom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boom.

FOREMAN: Using their new skills, they will invade a mock village, take out four highly trained guards.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you see the threat, engage them.

FOREMAN: And assassinate a government leader. Played by me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Move out!

FOREMAN: From the first shot, the first team performs well. They sweep in, hit fast, kill comes within a minute.

(on camera): I got hit here and here and here and here and here.

(voice-over): It takes the second team much longer. Their plan too cumbersome, too slow. They have not taken the terrorist lessons to heart and my guards quickly hustle me to safety.

(on camera): I think I might survive this time.

(voice-over): The last assault, however, is picture perfect. The team moves quickly, they take casualties, but like true terrorists, they don't care. My guards drop one by one. I grab a pistol. Too late, a blistering hail of gunfire ends the drill.

(on camera): It is all pretend, but you realize how confusing these situations are and you see it both from the people defending and the people who are attacking.

(voice-over): This is not war by the rules, but it is the type of war American soldiers face every day. It is, according to many military minds, a winnable war, but only if American fighters can learn to see the world as their enemies do, and find in that Mirror Image the understanding what it will take to defeat them.

Tom Foreman, CNN, Moyock, North Carolina.

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HARRIS: And stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

And, coming up on CNN LIVE SATURDAY, 200 people were on hand to wish one happy couple well. Find out why this particular wedding got so much attention.

Plus, taste-testing is always fun, but touring wine country in northern California can lead to some tough decisions. We'll tell you how to make the most out of your taste bud excursions.

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HARRIS: In "News Across America," saved by his badge, a Berkeley, California, police officer is thanking his lucky star. This one, his badge, backed up by a bullet-proof vest, appears to have saved his life. The officer was shot in the chest Tuesday by a suspect during a foot chase. The suspect is being held on attempted murder charges.

Former teacher, Mary Kay Letourneau is now married to the former sixth-grade student she was convicted of raping. He is now 22. The couple wed last night at a winery outside of Seattle. The two children that they have together attended. Letourneau spent more than seven years in prison for the rape. She was released last August.

And, in Breckenridge, Colorado, one skier is dead after an avalanche slid into the Arapaho base and ski area Friday morning. The unidentified male is the fifth skier to die in Colorado avalanches this season.

Now, for a quick check of weather across America, here's meteorologist Rob Marciano.

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HARRIS: If you are a wine lover, we have some tours for you. We will tell you how to get the most out of your experience and the best time of year to go. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HARRIS: This is going to be fun. Our "Weekend Getaway" takes us to the West Coast and America's wine country, miles of vineyards, quaint bed and breakfast, and glasses of wine for tasting. "The Wine Lover's Guide to the Wine Country" is our guide this Saturday. Authors Nancy Garfinkel and Lori Lyn Narlock join us from New York. Ladies, good to see you.

NANCY GARFINKEL "WINE LOVER'S GUIDE": Hi. How are you?

LORI LYN NARLOCK, "WINE LOVER'S GUIDE": Nice to be here.

HARRIS: You know what? Nancy, let me start with you. There are books upon books on shelves all over the place on wine country. What differentiates your book from those?

GARFINKEL: I think there are three important things. One is that our book is completely wine-centric. Everything in it is about the enjoyment, the purchase, the drinking and the love of wine.

Second is that we wrote it for wine lovers of every strife, from the neophyte drinker to the seasoned oenophile. And thirdly, it's a collaborative effort. Lori was born in the wine country and has wine running through her veins. I'm from the East Coast and bring a fresh visitor perspective and I think, combined, we bring a lot of information for people to have an efficient and really enjoyable trip.

HARRIS: Lori, OK, what are the areas -- what are the areas that are must-sees? No, no, no, let me start even before that. Am I landing in California, in Los Angeles, or am I flying into San Francisco? Where am I starting this trip?

NARLOCK: You're starting either in San Francisco, Oakland or Sacramento. Those are the three closest airports, and then you're going to drive up into the valleys, either Napa Valley or Sonoma Valley, and you can sort of go around one of those to get up to Mendocino and further out west in Sonoma County. But, really, you want to start -- for the best enjoyment, Napa Valley or Sonoma Valley and wind your way north.

HARRIS: You know, I mentioned Los Angeles because a lot of folks land in Los Angeles and drive on the PCH to get there, but you're saying either Oakland or San Francisco to make the trip?

NARLOCK: Absolutely. It would be a beautiful drive up from L.A., but would add another day or two to your whole visit.

HARRIS: Got you. OK, so, I'm in Napa. I'm in Napa. What are the must-sees, Lori, in Napa?

NARLOCK: Schramsberg. You have to go to Schramsberg. It's beautiful. It's historic. They do an amazing tour all through their caves. They're a sparkling wine producer, so it's a different perspective on the whole wine-making process, and it's followed by a tasting of their wines. They're superb. I would definitely hit Schramsberg.

HARRIS: Nancy, what do you think? What about Sonoma?

GARFINKEL: Sonoma? Well, actually...

NARLOCK: I'm going to answer this.

GARFINKEL: OK.

HARRIS: OK.

NARLOCK: Honsdale (ph). We love Honsdale, and it's a charming little property on its own little hillside in the town of Sonoma, in the town of Sonoma. And, they make a chardonnay and a pinot noir. They're very distinctive. They're for aging, and they've recently added some caves as well, but the historic building where they've been making the wine since they started in the '50s is just really quaint and lovely.

HARRIS: How much actual wine-tasting do we get to do on this trip?

GARFINKEL: A lot. The thing that you can expect at every winery is to taste wine.

HARRIS: Yes.

GARFINKEL: And there -- the policies around -- paying for it -- vary from place to place, but you can often taste for free, or for a nominal fee. You can taste a wide variety. Wineries tend to pour what they're in the mood to pour or what they're known for, and they pour it with great pleasure. And they'd like to educate you as well, so be sure to speak to your pourer about the area that they're in, about the kind of grapes used to make the wine you're about to drink.

HARRIS: Yes, and, quickly, is there a best time to visit?

NARLOCK: There's no bad time to visit, but harvest, I would suggest, if you really want to learn the most about wine-making, because you can see the whole thing, from bringing in the grapes, to crushing, to watching the wine being pressed from the tank and put into the barrels, but fall and all the way through spring, it gets quiet. It's lovely. It's green and lush and it's much easier to get into the wineries that might otherwise be crowded. It's a great time to visit. We always have moderate weather, so there's really no time bad time to visit but harvest would probably be a really magical time.

HARRIS: OK, let's push the book. One more time, "The Wine Lover's Guide to the Wine Country," authors Nancy Garfinkel and Lori Lyn Narlock. Thank you for visiting with us.

GARFINKEL: Thank you.

NARLOCK: Thank you.

HARRIS: A young woman suffering with autism finds her voice in a unique documentary.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love learning, yet being looked upon as feeble-minded is something I have been forced to endure my entire life.

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HARRIS: We'll show you how she overcomes many obstacles, including the challenge of attending college, straight ahead.

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HARRIS: For years, Sue Rubin says she was her own worst nightmare. She has autism and until age 13, she was unable to communicate or control her unusual behavior. Now, at 26, Sue has become a disabled rights advocate and a college student with a top IQ. She is the writer of "Autism is a World," coming up on "CNN PRESENTS." Actress Julianna Margulies gives voice to her words. Here is an excerpt.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm a junior at Whittier College majoring in history. I attend classes with Ashley (ph), my friend and support staff.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, ready to go inside? OK. One, two, three.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, the Cairo conference. Remember, they'll be talking about this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ashley takes notes for me and is available when I want to communicate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Randy Caldera (ph)? Jennifer Eastlake (ph)? Sue Rubin? Sully Vega (ph)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First thing we're going to do, I'm going to start talking a little bit about ideologies and philosophies that were brought into play by the arrival of colonialism first and then the rise of the national movement in parts of the Arab world.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Autism is a constant struggle. It takes every ounce of energy I have to sit somewhat quietly during a two-hour lecture.

I love learning, yet being looked upon as feeble-minded is something I have been force today endure my entire life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good job. You can make it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actually, in the times I'm not fully engaged in school, I find that I am more susceptible to awful autism.

(END VIDEO CLIP) HARRIS: The Academy-award nominated documentary, "Autism is a World," will premiere on "CNN PRESENTS" tomorrow night at 8:00 Eastern. There is much more ahead on CNN Saturday in a few moments.

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