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Aired May 21, 2005 - 16:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Scanning the skies over Washington. The U.S. military steps up its protection of the Nation's Capital. Will these warning lights affect you?
And then ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (video clip): I have family. I've got a great life. I do not want to die in the mountains, and I've always said it's got to be a round trip. You don't just go to the summit. That's half the climb. The second, most important half of the climb is coming down.

LIN: It's a journey, not just a destination for this mountain climber.

Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Carol Lin. Fredricka is off today. All that and much more after this check of the headlines.

A children's sleepover at a home in Cleveland has ended in tragedy. A fire ripped through the house in the middle of the night, killing seven of the children and two adults. Police say the children ranged in age from 4 to 17. Officials are investigating the cause of the fire.

A single engine plane has crashed on the beach in New York's Coney Island. Police say all four people on board died. There are no reported injuries on the ground, even though the beach was crowded with people.

And President Bush is urging college graduates to get involved in faith-based organizations. He gave that advice today during a commencement speech at the Christian Calvin College in Michigan. But not everyone was happy he was there. A small demonstration was held outside the event and a third of the faculty signed a letter protesting his visit.

First up, the U.S. focusing on damage control following the release of the jailhouse photos of Saddam Hussein. A photo splashed on the cover of a British tabloid of Hussein only in his underwear was followed by another photo today. Now this one shows the ousted Iraqi leader wearing a robe. The Pentagon says it is clueless as to how the photos were leaked but that isn't sitting well with some Iraqis.

CNN's Ryan Chilcote has reaction from Baghdad.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

RYAN CHILCOTE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the news stands of Baghdad, beneath the glamour shots of Arab and Western models, front page photos of a half-naked Saddam Hussein. Iraqis snapped them up, but draw different views. Dr. Amare Sabara (ph) found them distasteful and had no doubt about why they'd appeared in the newspapers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's to humiliate the Iraqi people.

CHILCOTE: In a country where proper opinion polls are impossible, our unscientific survey came up one universal conclusion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): These photos are unacceptable, immoral and hurt all Iraqis, regardless of whether we like or dislike the previous regime. At the end of the day, Saddam was the president of Iraq. It is unacceptable for the American administration.

CHILCOTE: One man did get a kick out of them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): He is sitting in the cell he deserves. With no A.C. in there, maybe he got hot and decided to take off some clothes. Besides, he'd already humiliated himself and his country with what he did to it.

CHILCOTE: At an Internet cafe we found two women who looked but refused to talk. Kamal Hasan (ph) had just finished a Google search for Saddam and sex when we walked up. He, like everyone we spoke with, blamed the U.S. government for the photo's release.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I'm sure the new photos were published on purpose. It's a clear message to all the Arab leaders who oppose America, they'll end up in a small jail facing humiliation.

CHILCOTE: Some of the people we talked to recalled the photos of Abu Ghraib.

(on camera): While few in Iraq have any pity for Saddam, the leak of the photos has done nothing for the reputation of the U.S. presence here. It's also raised the prospect of Saddam Hussein suing his captors. Ryan Chilcote, CNN, Baghdad.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: We haven't heard from the inmate himself. But do these photographs violate the Geneva Conventions designed to protect detainees? Here to answer that is renowned civil rights attorney Avery Friedman, who happens to be in town. Pleasure to have you on set.

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Nice to be with you, Carol. LIN: You've been doing some research, taking a look at the Geneva Conventions. Does Saddam Hussein have a right to file a complaint or anybody else, for that matter, on his behalf?

FRIEDMAN: Well, you know, it's interesting. Because there is a section of the Geneva Conventions that prohibit humiliating detainees. So the question really becomes, at this point, an evidence one. What tie is there between the formal position of the United States government and the release of those photographs? And those are answers we don't know right now, Carol.

LIN: We don't know what who actually took the photographs.

FRIEDMAN: That's exactly right.

LIN: There's some speculation it was taken from a surveillance camera. You have theories it was a low-level military, maybe a private who was just monitoring the camera, we don't know yet. So what are the guidelines here under Article 13 in the Geneva Conventions to guide a decision?

FRIEDMAN: The important thing is there has to be a tie-in to formal government action. The fact is that the sanctions, if there are any, apply to governments, generally, not individuals. And individuals who are punished are usually engaged in something for serious, for example, mutilation, medical experimentation or even death. Here we have a humiliation, and I think many people feel that, but the question is, what are the consequences and under the Geneva Accords, Carol, there really is no penalty. No one goes to jail; no one is fined for violating Article 13, with respect to an insult.

LIN: So a man, even a former leader of his country, standing there in his underwear is not severe enough?

FRIEDMAN: It's a violation. It may be a violation of Article 13 of the Geneva Conventions but there's no consequence to it in terms of a penalty. In terms of international derision and the role of the rule of law in the world, America could suffer as a consequence, but I still think it's going to be a very difficult burden to connect the evidence of the release of the photo and a formal policy of the United States government.

LIN: Right, as if the Pentagon or the White House ordered it to humiliate him.

FRIEDMAN: And some have argued that.

LIN: Torture him with that humiliation.

FRIEDMAN: That's exactly right but one must prove it. It's very easy to allege it, but when it gets down to it, Article 13 will be determined either violated or not based on the evidence of who is responsible.

LIN: International Red Cross says it was a violation of his privacy rights. Does a detainee have the right to privacy? FRIEDMAN: What it a wonderful question. The Geneva Accords addresses a multitude of issues but, you know what, Carol, there is no specific right of privacy set forth in the Geneva Convention.

LIN: All right. Avery Friedman, thank you.

FRIEDMAN: Nice to be with you.

LIN: Today lasers are scanning the skies over Washington. It is a new warning system to alert wayward pilots they've flown into restricted air space. It wasn't on yet when the small airplane forced evacuations in D.C. last week. Some pilots are worried, though, about the fallout from that incident. Our Kathleen Koch has that story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Flashing green and red lights, the new warning small planes will now get if they stray into Washington, D.C.'s off limits air space.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are so many high-valued targets in this area, it's the center of our government. We need to do everything we can to protect it.

KOCH: Dave Wills follows the rules when he flies into Maryland's College Park Airport, just outside Washington every day for work. His Cessna 150 the same type of plane that caused last week's evacuations is so light you can push it into place. Inside it's a tight squeeze.

(on camera): So just a place for two people to sit? Maybe two feet of space behind the seats?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. A large suitcase.

KOCH: Barely.

(voice-over): He's weary of ongoing restrictions that have made flying a chore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The restrictions that are in place have most, are mostly involve those of us who really couldn't do any damage to anyone.

JACK ROBSON, PILOT: Just annoying and annoying and annoying, but you deal with it.

KOCH: Jack Robson is one of many pilots who hoped he'd again be able to fly downtown to Reagan National Airport. Small aircraft have been banned there since 9/11 at a cost of $400 million a year to the local economy. The headline the day after the small plane fiasco was discouraging.

ROBSON: Ban on small plane aircraft at National likely to remain. I say, you know, what can you do? They're going to use it as another excuse to delay the process.

KOCH: No, say lawmakers who want back the convenience Reagan National offers.

REP. TOM DAVIS, (R) VA: Its should be open to the public. We should have appropriate safeguards and screening but there's no reason this can't and shouldn't have happened a long time ago.

KOCH (on camera): In fact, this week the House passed a measure giving the government 60 days to come up with a plan to reopen the airport to general aviation.

(voice-over): Some restrictions have already been loosened. Pilots from outside the area can now fly into three small airports near Downtown D.C.. A Band-Aid, but not a cure for an airport like College Park, that has lost 90% of its business because of post-9/11 security measures.

LEE SCHIEK, MANAGER, COLLEGE PARK AIRPORT: Today we're just hanging on by our fingernails. We're just looking forward to better times.

KOCH: Kathleen Koch, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security. So stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.

Turning now to Idaho, two missing children still missing. Alina Cho reports live from Coeur d'Alene on what police are asking the public to do.

And stem cell discoveries abroad. Where does that leave the United States?

And would you do this? A man who profiled the world's highest peaks and done so without carrying oxygen. Be right back!

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LIN: Well, it's been almost a week and there are very few clues. Authorities are pleading now for help in solving three murders and the disappearances of two children in Idaho. Today we have new pictures of one of those kids.

CNN's Alina Cho is live in Coeur d'Alene with the very latest on this investigation. Alina?

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And Carol, this new video is especially important now because the ground search for the two missing children has essentially ended. What we're able to show you is home video of 8-year-old Shasta Groene that was taken just a couple of days before she and her 9-year-old brother, Dylan, disappeared. It shows Shasta at school presenting a science project. The video was shot by a parent who has a child in Shasta's class. And that parent apparently decided to release that video in the hopes that someone might recognize her and that the children ultimately would be found alive and brought home.

Neither Dylan nor Shasta have been seen since the bodies of their mother, 13-year-old brother and the mother's boyfriend were found at their home on Monday night. Investigators have boarded up that home and expect to finish gathering evidence sometime later today. Also today, we have been listening to a tape of a frantic 911 call made by the neighbor.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

BOB HOLLINGSWORTH, NEIGHBOR: I went to the door to pay the little kid $10 for mowing the lawn and there's blood all over the door. No one comes to the door and their car is their and I tried to call them today and I didn't get 'em.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

CHO: Authorities tell me as they move forward with this investigation, the central question remains, why would someone come into a home, kill three people, and take two children? And carol, authorities tell me that that is what is giving them hope, that they still might find these two children alive.

LIN: So, Alina, they're reaching out to the public. What do authorities expect the public to do and participate in this investigation?

CHO: Well, as I mentioned earlier, Carol, the ground search has essentially ended for these two children. They've canvassed 400 acres, they have looked at the shoreline, 73 miles around Lake Coeur d'Alene and so what they're relying on now is the media to show these pictures, videotapes and the still pictures of the two children to keep the story alive, so to speak and they're relying heavily, Carol, on the public, people like shopkeepers in the area there, asking them to, please, continue posting the two pictures of the children, in the hopes of course that someone might recognize them and that they might be brought home alive.

LIN: Alina, doesn't sound like they have anything at all, then, to go on.

CHO: Well, it's difficult, really, because Carol, you know, they have received nearly 500 -- more than 500 tips, actually, on the hotline and 40 investigators are chasing these tips, but you know, the sheriff told me sort of jokingly yesterday, "Listen, Jesus Christ himself has called." And so, you know, a vast majority of these tips will probably not pan out, and so they are hoping and praying really that they will get a break in this case, but of course, as time goes on, their hopes are dwindling.

LIN: You bet. They need one good tip or one great sighting, that's all they need to try to find these kids.

Thanks very much. Alina Cho, reporting live from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Well still ahead, caught on tape. Take a look at this, a school bus driver reaches his breaking point. We are going to show you the video.

And then we're off to the races. There's the school bus driver. More on that scene in a moment.

But here at the Kentucky Derby, was it a fluke or can Giacomo win the second leg of the Triple Crown? The odds at the Preakness Stakes in just one minute.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LIN: Authorities in Punta Gorda, Florida have released video involving a school bus driver and two students on his bus. Now, Tuesday's incident resulted in a misdemeanor battery charge against the driver and felony charges against the teens. Now the teens are the ones whose faces have been blurred because that is our policy, not to identify juveniles.

The other youngsters were not involved in the fight. Now, Charlotte County deputies say it started after the driver, Albert Taylor, called a rowdy student to the front of the bus, where the student refused, Taylor went back to get him.

Officers say the student's brother cursed the driver, who slapped him and grabbed his throat. Both boys struck the driver.

Well, here's what else is happening across America. The Cleveland, Ohio, fire department says this early morning house fire killed nine people, seven of them children. The fire broke out during a children's sleepover. Neighbors tried to rescue them but the raging flames turned them back. The cause is under investigation. But police say they believe it was a tragic accident.

A police officer in Berkeley, California, credits his badge for helping to save his life. The officer survived a gunshot to the chest as he tried to catch a robbery suspect earlier this week. The badge and his bullet-proof vest stopped a bullet fired at point blank range.

And former teacher Mary Kay Letourneau is now married to the youth she was convicted of raping when he was her sixth grade student. Vili Fualaau is now 22 years old.

Letourneau and Vili Fualaau we last night at a winery outside of Seattle. Their two daughters attended. Letourneau spent more than seven years in prison for her sexual relationship with that under-aged boy at the time. She was released last August.

Fourteen colts are eager to strut their stuff but only one will pick up the $650,000 top prize in the Preakness Today. The second leg of horse racing's Triple Crown begins in less than two hours. Our Larry Smith previews the field at Pimlico. And here is the report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) LARRY SMITH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When a 50-to-1 long shot named Giacomo won the Kentucky Derby two weeks ago, it didn't take long for the racing world to overcome its shock and begin calling the outcome a fluke. Giacomo is listed as the fourth pick by odds makers to win the second and shortest leg of the Triple Crown. For the lack of respect, it doesn't seem to bother the trainer.

JOHN SHIRREFS, TRAINER, GIACOMO: You have to have a nice horse to win the Derby. It doesn't happen without having a nice horse. That was the best of the crop right there. Every horse that lined up in the Derby to run had won a major prep. They were all there, they all ran, and Giacomo won.

SMITH: Afleet Alex, who finished third in the Derby, the only favorite to finish in the money, is the favorite in the Preakness, although being listed as such has been a curse in the Derby with only two winning since 1980. That hasn't been the case in the Preakness, where the favorite has won the last four times.

TIM RITCHEY, TRAINER, AFLEET ALEX: I think he's a very happy horse. I think he's physically in good shape and fit, and you know, we just have to have a little more luck than we did in the Derby.

SMITH: The fan favorite will likely be Malibu Moonshine, a Maryland horse trained by King Leatherbury, the state's all-time winningist trainer. It's the first time in two decades the 72-year- old has entered a horse in Baltimore's most prestigious racing event.

KING LEATHERBURY, TRAINER, MALIBU MOONSHINE: Naturally I'll be pumped up and when they play "Maryland, My Maryland," and you get all hepped-up over there that.

SMITH: And for those that think lightning will strike twice, there's always Hal's Image, the longest of long shots at the Preakness, who was listed 50-to-1 odds after Wednesday's post position draw. Larry Smith, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: Coming up, the politics of science.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stem cells in the U.S., it's not about the science. I think it's solely about politics.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LIN: The latest on stem cell research and whether the U.S. is falling behind in this historic race.

Plus the science of sweat. Could you be perspiring too much? I'm going to talk to Bill Lloyd, Dr. Bill Lloyd, coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LIN: Now the controversy over embryonic stem cell research. President Bush is threatening to issue his first veto over a bill that would boost funding for the research, and it's that type of political climate that's prompted one of the leading stem cell researchers in the U.S. to move to Great Britain, where politics is not so much of a concern.

CNN's Matthew Chance reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are these still batch three? Are these human?

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He's one of America's leading medical researchers. But Dr. Stephen Minger chooses to work here. His expertise, human embryo stem cell research, virtually taboo, he says, back home.

DR, STEPHEN MINGER, GUY'S HOSPITAL: Stem cells in the U.S., it's not about the science. I think it's solely about the politics, and from my perspective, if you compare the U.S. and the U.K., it's like night and day. So we'd like to do is be able to take these cells and actually inject them back into a damaged heart and see if these cells will replace those that have been damaged.

CHANCE: His work at this top London hospital is focused on regenerating human organs, growing new cells to treat heart disease, liver failure or Parkinson's. The raw material, human embryos, simply more controversial in America than in Britain, he says.

MINGER: I think it's the moral climate in the U.S. I think there's a lot less public support for this. I think, you know, people who don't really understand the technology think that there's this wholesale slaughter of embryos, which if not used for stem cell research were destined to become children and actually nothing can be further from the truth.

The embryos that are used for stem cell research which are donated by couples undergoing fertility treatment in many cases have no future.

CHANCE: But, tight restrictions on publicly-funded research in the U.S. mean researchers like Dr. Minger feel they're forced elsewhere.

(on camera): There's not exactly been a brain drain of U.S. expertise. In Britain there's one other American scientist working in stem cell research. Instead, American scientists with real talent, people who could really make a difference are choosing not to work in the field at all.

MINGER: They either don't have the money that allow them to do it or in many cases don't want the hassle. Here, on the other hand, if you want to do human embryonic stem cell research there are really no barriers to doing that. And I think that's true in Singapore, I think that's true in China, I think that's true in South Korea.

I think that's where the major advances are being made, in Europe and the Far East. And unfortunately not in the U.S.

CHANCE (voice-over): Bad for American science, perhaps. Diabetics, though, needn't necessarily worry.

MINGER: If any of us in the world figure out how to turn embryonic stem cells into cells that make insulin, those therapies will be available in the U.S., and Americans will benefit from it despite the fact they might not have contributed much in terms of the research.

CHANCE: Buying therapies and contributing to the profits of the overseas researchers along the way.

Matthew Chance, CNN, London.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: And you can hear more from Dr. Minger on tomorrow morning, CNN SUNDAY MORNING. CNN's Tony Harris and Betty Nguyen will join you at 9:00 a.m. Eastern.

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Aired May 21, 2005 - 16:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Scanning the skies over Washington. The U.S. military steps up its protection of the Nation's Capital. Will these warning lights affect you?
And then ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (video clip): I have family. I've got a great life. I do not want to die in the mountains, and I've always said it's got to be a round trip. You don't just go to the summit. That's half the climb. The second, most important half of the climb is coming down.

LIN: It's a journey, not just a destination for this mountain climber.

Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY. I'm Carol Lin. Fredricka is off today. All that and much more after this check of the headlines.

A children's sleepover at a home in Cleveland has ended in tragedy. A fire ripped through the house in the middle of the night, killing seven of the children and two adults. Police say the children ranged in age from 4 to 17. Officials are investigating the cause of the fire.

A single engine plane has crashed on the beach in New York's Coney Island. Police say all four people on board died. There are no reported injuries on the ground, even though the beach was crowded with people.

And President Bush is urging college graduates to get involved in faith-based organizations. He gave that advice today during a commencement speech at the Christian Calvin College in Michigan. But not everyone was happy he was there. A small demonstration was held outside the event and a third of the faculty signed a letter protesting his visit.

First up, the U.S. focusing on damage control following the release of the jailhouse photos of Saddam Hussein. A photo splashed on the cover of a British tabloid of Hussein only in his underwear was followed by another photo today. Now this one shows the ousted Iraqi leader wearing a robe. The Pentagon says it is clueless as to how the photos were leaked but that isn't sitting well with some Iraqis.

CNN's Ryan Chilcote has reaction from Baghdad.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

RYAN CHILCOTE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the news stands of Baghdad, beneath the glamour shots of Arab and Western models, front page photos of a half-naked Saddam Hussein. Iraqis snapped them up, but draw different views. Dr. Amare Sabara (ph) found them distasteful and had no doubt about why they'd appeared in the newspapers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's to humiliate the Iraqi people.

CHILCOTE: In a country where proper opinion polls are impossible, our unscientific survey came up one universal conclusion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): These photos are unacceptable, immoral and hurt all Iraqis, regardless of whether we like or dislike the previous regime. At the end of the day, Saddam was the president of Iraq. It is unacceptable for the American administration.

CHILCOTE: One man did get a kick out of them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): He is sitting in the cell he deserves. With no A.C. in there, maybe he got hot and decided to take off some clothes. Besides, he'd already humiliated himself and his country with what he did to it.

CHILCOTE: At an Internet cafe we found two women who looked but refused to talk. Kamal Hasan (ph) had just finished a Google search for Saddam and sex when we walked up. He, like everyone we spoke with, blamed the U.S. government for the photo's release.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I'm sure the new photos were published on purpose. It's a clear message to all the Arab leaders who oppose America, they'll end up in a small jail facing humiliation.

CHILCOTE: Some of the people we talked to recalled the photos of Abu Ghraib.

(on camera): While few in Iraq have any pity for Saddam, the leak of the photos has done nothing for the reputation of the U.S. presence here. It's also raised the prospect of Saddam Hussein suing his captors. Ryan Chilcote, CNN, Baghdad.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: We haven't heard from the inmate himself. But do these photographs violate the Geneva Conventions designed to protect detainees? Here to answer that is renowned civil rights attorney Avery Friedman, who happens to be in town. Pleasure to have you on set.

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Nice to be with you, Carol. LIN: You've been doing some research, taking a look at the Geneva Conventions. Does Saddam Hussein have a right to file a complaint or anybody else, for that matter, on his behalf?

FRIEDMAN: Well, you know, it's interesting. Because there is a section of the Geneva Conventions that prohibit humiliating detainees. So the question really becomes, at this point, an evidence one. What tie is there between the formal position of the United States government and the release of those photographs? And those are answers we don't know right now, Carol.

LIN: We don't know what who actually took the photographs.

FRIEDMAN: That's exactly right.

LIN: There's some speculation it was taken from a surveillance camera. You have theories it was a low-level military, maybe a private who was just monitoring the camera, we don't know yet. So what are the guidelines here under Article 13 in the Geneva Conventions to guide a decision?

FRIEDMAN: The important thing is there has to be a tie-in to formal government action. The fact is that the sanctions, if there are any, apply to governments, generally, not individuals. And individuals who are punished are usually engaged in something for serious, for example, mutilation, medical experimentation or even death. Here we have a humiliation, and I think many people feel that, but the question is, what are the consequences and under the Geneva Accords, Carol, there really is no penalty. No one goes to jail; no one is fined for violating Article 13, with respect to an insult.

LIN: So a man, even a former leader of his country, standing there in his underwear is not severe enough?

FRIEDMAN: It's a violation. It may be a violation of Article 13 of the Geneva Conventions but there's no consequence to it in terms of a penalty. In terms of international derision and the role of the rule of law in the world, America could suffer as a consequence, but I still think it's going to be a very difficult burden to connect the evidence of the release of the photo and a formal policy of the United States government.

LIN: Right, as if the Pentagon or the White House ordered it to humiliate him.

FRIEDMAN: And some have argued that.

LIN: Torture him with that humiliation.

FRIEDMAN: That's exactly right but one must prove it. It's very easy to allege it, but when it gets down to it, Article 13 will be determined either violated or not based on the evidence of who is responsible.

LIN: International Red Cross says it was a violation of his privacy rights. Does a detainee have the right to privacy? FRIEDMAN: What it a wonderful question. The Geneva Accords addresses a multitude of issues but, you know what, Carol, there is no specific right of privacy set forth in the Geneva Convention.

LIN: All right. Avery Friedman, thank you.

FRIEDMAN: Nice to be with you.

LIN: Today lasers are scanning the skies over Washington. It is a new warning system to alert wayward pilots they've flown into restricted air space. It wasn't on yet when the small airplane forced evacuations in D.C. last week. Some pilots are worried, though, about the fallout from that incident. Our Kathleen Koch has that story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Flashing green and red lights, the new warning small planes will now get if they stray into Washington, D.C.'s off limits air space.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are so many high-valued targets in this area, it's the center of our government. We need to do everything we can to protect it.

KOCH: Dave Wills follows the rules when he flies into Maryland's College Park Airport, just outside Washington every day for work. His Cessna 150 the same type of plane that caused last week's evacuations is so light you can push it into place. Inside it's a tight squeeze.

(on camera): So just a place for two people to sit? Maybe two feet of space behind the seats?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. A large suitcase.

KOCH: Barely.

(voice-over): He's weary of ongoing restrictions that have made flying a chore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The restrictions that are in place have most, are mostly involve those of us who really couldn't do any damage to anyone.

JACK ROBSON, PILOT: Just annoying and annoying and annoying, but you deal with it.

KOCH: Jack Robson is one of many pilots who hoped he'd again be able to fly downtown to Reagan National Airport. Small aircraft have been banned there since 9/11 at a cost of $400 million a year to the local economy. The headline the day after the small plane fiasco was discouraging.

ROBSON: Ban on small plane aircraft at National likely to remain. I say, you know, what can you do? They're going to use it as another excuse to delay the process.

KOCH: No, say lawmakers who want back the convenience Reagan National offers.

REP. TOM DAVIS, (R) VA: Its should be open to the public. We should have appropriate safeguards and screening but there's no reason this can't and shouldn't have happened a long time ago.

KOCH (on camera): In fact, this week the House passed a measure giving the government 60 days to come up with a plan to reopen the airport to general aviation.

(voice-over): Some restrictions have already been loosened. Pilots from outside the area can now fly into three small airports near Downtown D.C.. A Band-Aid, but not a cure for an airport like College Park, that has lost 90% of its business because of post-9/11 security measures.

LEE SCHIEK, MANAGER, COLLEGE PARK AIRPORT: Today we're just hanging on by our fingernails. We're just looking forward to better times.

KOCH: Kathleen Koch, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security. So stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.

Turning now to Idaho, two missing children still missing. Alina Cho reports live from Coeur d'Alene on what police are asking the public to do.

And stem cell discoveries abroad. Where does that leave the United States?

And would you do this? A man who profiled the world's highest peaks and done so without carrying oxygen. Be right back!

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LIN: Well, it's been almost a week and there are very few clues. Authorities are pleading now for help in solving three murders and the disappearances of two children in Idaho. Today we have new pictures of one of those kids.

CNN's Alina Cho is live in Coeur d'Alene with the very latest on this investigation. Alina?

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And Carol, this new video is especially important now because the ground search for the two missing children has essentially ended. What we're able to show you is home video of 8-year-old Shasta Groene that was taken just a couple of days before she and her 9-year-old brother, Dylan, disappeared. It shows Shasta at school presenting a science project. The video was shot by a parent who has a child in Shasta's class. And that parent apparently decided to release that video in the hopes that someone might recognize her and that the children ultimately would be found alive and brought home.

Neither Dylan nor Shasta have been seen since the bodies of their mother, 13-year-old brother and the mother's boyfriend were found at their home on Monday night. Investigators have boarded up that home and expect to finish gathering evidence sometime later today. Also today, we have been listening to a tape of a frantic 911 call made by the neighbor.

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BOB HOLLINGSWORTH, NEIGHBOR: I went to the door to pay the little kid $10 for mowing the lawn and there's blood all over the door. No one comes to the door and their car is their and I tried to call them today and I didn't get 'em.

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CHO: Authorities tell me as they move forward with this investigation, the central question remains, why would someone come into a home, kill three people, and take two children? And carol, authorities tell me that that is what is giving them hope, that they still might find these two children alive.

LIN: So, Alina, they're reaching out to the public. What do authorities expect the public to do and participate in this investigation?

CHO: Well, as I mentioned earlier, Carol, the ground search has essentially ended for these two children. They've canvassed 400 acres, they have looked at the shoreline, 73 miles around Lake Coeur d'Alene and so what they're relying on now is the media to show these pictures, videotapes and the still pictures of the two children to keep the story alive, so to speak and they're relying heavily, Carol, on the public, people like shopkeepers in the area there, asking them to, please, continue posting the two pictures of the children, in the hopes of course that someone might recognize them and that they might be brought home alive.

LIN: Alina, doesn't sound like they have anything at all, then, to go on.

CHO: Well, it's difficult, really, because Carol, you know, they have received nearly 500 -- more than 500 tips, actually, on the hotline and 40 investigators are chasing these tips, but you know, the sheriff told me sort of jokingly yesterday, "Listen, Jesus Christ himself has called." And so, you know, a vast majority of these tips will probably not pan out, and so they are hoping and praying really that they will get a break in this case, but of course, as time goes on, their hopes are dwindling.

LIN: You bet. They need one good tip or one great sighting, that's all they need to try to find these kids.

Thanks very much. Alina Cho, reporting live from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Well still ahead, caught on tape. Take a look at this, a school bus driver reaches his breaking point. We are going to show you the video.

And then we're off to the races. There's the school bus driver. More on that scene in a moment.

But here at the Kentucky Derby, was it a fluke or can Giacomo win the second leg of the Triple Crown? The odds at the Preakness Stakes in just one minute.

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LIN: Authorities in Punta Gorda, Florida have released video involving a school bus driver and two students on his bus. Now, Tuesday's incident resulted in a misdemeanor battery charge against the driver and felony charges against the teens. Now the teens are the ones whose faces have been blurred because that is our policy, not to identify juveniles.

The other youngsters were not involved in the fight. Now, Charlotte County deputies say it started after the driver, Albert Taylor, called a rowdy student to the front of the bus, where the student refused, Taylor went back to get him.

Officers say the student's brother cursed the driver, who slapped him and grabbed his throat. Both boys struck the driver.

Well, here's what else is happening across America. The Cleveland, Ohio, fire department says this early morning house fire killed nine people, seven of them children. The fire broke out during a children's sleepover. Neighbors tried to rescue them but the raging flames turned them back. The cause is under investigation. But police say they believe it was a tragic accident.

A police officer in Berkeley, California, credits his badge for helping to save his life. The officer survived a gunshot to the chest as he tried to catch a robbery suspect earlier this week. The badge and his bullet-proof vest stopped a bullet fired at point blank range.

And former teacher Mary Kay Letourneau is now married to the youth she was convicted of raping when he was her sixth grade student. Vili Fualaau is now 22 years old.

Letourneau and Vili Fualaau we last night at a winery outside of Seattle. Their two daughters attended. Letourneau spent more than seven years in prison for her sexual relationship with that under-aged boy at the time. She was released last August.

Fourteen colts are eager to strut their stuff but only one will pick up the $650,000 top prize in the Preakness Today. The second leg of horse racing's Triple Crown begins in less than two hours. Our Larry Smith previews the field at Pimlico. And here is the report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) LARRY SMITH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When a 50-to-1 long shot named Giacomo won the Kentucky Derby two weeks ago, it didn't take long for the racing world to overcome its shock and begin calling the outcome a fluke. Giacomo is listed as the fourth pick by odds makers to win the second and shortest leg of the Triple Crown. For the lack of respect, it doesn't seem to bother the trainer.

JOHN SHIRREFS, TRAINER, GIACOMO: You have to have a nice horse to win the Derby. It doesn't happen without having a nice horse. That was the best of the crop right there. Every horse that lined up in the Derby to run had won a major prep. They were all there, they all ran, and Giacomo won.

SMITH: Afleet Alex, who finished third in the Derby, the only favorite to finish in the money, is the favorite in the Preakness, although being listed as such has been a curse in the Derby with only two winning since 1980. That hasn't been the case in the Preakness, where the favorite has won the last four times.

TIM RITCHEY, TRAINER, AFLEET ALEX: I think he's a very happy horse. I think he's physically in good shape and fit, and you know, we just have to have a little more luck than we did in the Derby.

SMITH: The fan favorite will likely be Malibu Moonshine, a Maryland horse trained by King Leatherbury, the state's all-time winningist trainer. It's the first time in two decades the 72-year- old has entered a horse in Baltimore's most prestigious racing event.

KING LEATHERBURY, TRAINER, MALIBU MOONSHINE: Naturally I'll be pumped up and when they play "Maryland, My Maryland," and you get all hepped-up over there that.

SMITH: And for those that think lightning will strike twice, there's always Hal's Image, the longest of long shots at the Preakness, who was listed 50-to-1 odds after Wednesday's post position draw. Larry Smith, CNN, Atlanta.

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LIN: Coming up, the politics of science.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stem cells in the U.S., it's not about the science. I think it's solely about politics.

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LIN: The latest on stem cell research and whether the U.S. is falling behind in this historic race.

Plus the science of sweat. Could you be perspiring too much? I'm going to talk to Bill Lloyd, Dr. Bill Lloyd, coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LIN: Now the controversy over embryonic stem cell research. President Bush is threatening to issue his first veto over a bill that would boost funding for the research, and it's that type of political climate that's prompted one of the leading stem cell researchers in the U.S. to move to Great Britain, where politics is not so much of a concern.

CNN's Matthew Chance reports.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are these still batch three? Are these human?

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He's one of America's leading medical researchers. But Dr. Stephen Minger chooses to work here. His expertise, human embryo stem cell research, virtually taboo, he says, back home.

DR, STEPHEN MINGER, GUY'S HOSPITAL: Stem cells in the U.S., it's not about the science. I think it's solely about the politics, and from my perspective, if you compare the U.S. and the U.K., it's like night and day. So we'd like to do is be able to take these cells and actually inject them back into a damaged heart and see if these cells will replace those that have been damaged.

CHANCE: His work at this top London hospital is focused on regenerating human organs, growing new cells to treat heart disease, liver failure or Parkinson's. The raw material, human embryos, simply more controversial in America than in Britain, he says.

MINGER: I think it's the moral climate in the U.S. I think there's a lot less public support for this. I think, you know, people who don't really understand the technology think that there's this wholesale slaughter of embryos, which if not used for stem cell research were destined to become children and actually nothing can be further from the truth.

The embryos that are used for stem cell research which are donated by couples undergoing fertility treatment in many cases have no future.

CHANCE: But, tight restrictions on publicly-funded research in the U.S. mean researchers like Dr. Minger feel they're forced elsewhere.

(on camera): There's not exactly been a brain drain of U.S. expertise. In Britain there's one other American scientist working in stem cell research. Instead, American scientists with real talent, people who could really make a difference are choosing not to work in the field at all.

MINGER: They either don't have the money that allow them to do it or in many cases don't want the hassle. Here, on the other hand, if you want to do human embryonic stem cell research there are really no barriers to doing that. And I think that's true in Singapore, I think that's true in China, I think that's true in South Korea.

I think that's where the major advances are being made, in Europe and the Far East. And unfortunately not in the U.S.

CHANCE (voice-over): Bad for American science, perhaps. Diabetics, though, needn't necessarily worry.

MINGER: If any of us in the world figure out how to turn embryonic stem cells into cells that make insulin, those therapies will be available in the U.S., and Americans will benefit from it despite the fact they might not have contributed much in terms of the research.

CHANCE: Buying therapies and contributing to the profits of the overseas researchers along the way.

Matthew Chance, CNN, London.

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LIN: And you can hear more from Dr. Minger on tomorrow morning, CNN SUNDAY MORNING. CNN's Tony Harris and Betty Nguyen will join you at 9:00 a.m. Eastern.

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