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President Bush, Hamid Karzai Speak to Reporters
Aired May 23, 2005 - 10:58 ET
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DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Let's take a look at what's happening "Now in the News."
President Bush and Afghan President Hamid Karzai will be speaking with reporters at the White House shortly. They met last hour against the backdrop of deadly protests, alleged detainee abuse and concerns of opium production in Afghanistan. We'll have live coverage of their news conference just ahead.
First lady Laura Bush is in Egypt, the latest stop on her Middle East tour. She is downplaying the demonstrations that erupted during her visit to Jerusalem. Protesters surrounded the first lady at the Dome of the Rock, one of Islam's holiest sites. Earlier, about 40 Jews demonstrated as she visited the Western Wall.
More insurgent attacks in Iraq -- actually, the U.S. Supreme Court is stepping back into the abortion debate. Within the last hour, the high court agreed to hear a state appeal from New Hampshire. It's an attempt to reinstate a parental notification law for a minor to have an abortion.
Now on to Iraq. More insurgent attacks in Iraq today. An adviser to the Iraqi prime minister's office was gunned down this morning in Baghdad. Police say he was killed by a drive-by shooting.
Also in Baghdad, a deadly car bomb outside a restaurant in a Shiite neighborhood. The explosion killed at least 10 Iraqis and wounded more than 100.
U.S. and Iraqi forces have carried out their largest joint operation so far. Officials say a substantial number of suspected terrorists have been detained. The search is dubbed Operation Squeeze Play. It targeted insurgents in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib district. They're suspected attacks on the prison and on the road linking the capital to the airport.
And let's check the time. 11:00 a.m. on the East Coast, 8:00 a.m. on the West. From the CNN Center in Atlanta, good morning once again. I'm Daryn Kagan.
First up, Afghanistan's leader is in Washington this morning. Hamid Karzai has much to discuss with President Bush. Protesters in the streets allege prisoner abuse, Taliban insurgents, a blossoming drug trade. Live coverage when presidents Bush and Karzai meet with reporters in just a moment.
First, though, to CNN's Bob Franken at the White House for us this morning.
Bob, good morning.
BOB FRANKEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: So much to talk about, Daryn. So little time. The presidents are in the Oval Office now. Their agenda is quite full.
Hamid Karzai, of course, is coming back to the White House since -- for the first time since he was elected in December. And he has to leave an impression, or undo an impression that Afghanistan is just really a client state of the United States. By the way, you're looking at the East Room, where the news conference is going to be held in just a couple of minutes.
There are some people who use the pejorative term "puppet" to refer to Karzai. The White House this morning refuted that, saying that he is a partner, always has been. Of course, there is strong symbolic value here. Afghanistan, even though it's been overshadowed by Iraq, is where the first international part of the war on terror was being fought for all the obvious reasons.
Much to talk about, as I said. Probably most notably is the question about the U.S. military and the U.S. military treatment of all its Afghan detainees, both in Afghanistan and around the world. There have been many, many reports that the treatment has been mistreatment. Karzai has made it very clear, including his comments on CNN's "LATE EDITION" yesterday, that this is a priority for him, that it's an outrage that this has been going on, and that he wants some changes.
Among them, more Afghan involvement in the military operations in Afghanistan, which, of course, are under the control of the United States. But he wants more participation by his government in those decisions.
On the other side of the ledger, there is criticism, even within the United States government, that one of the priorities of the U.S. is not being properly handled by the Afghan government, and that is the eradication of the poppy fields. Poppy, of course, the fundamental ingredient in opium. It is such a large supplier to the world.
The State Department, according to "The New York Times," put out a memo that said that the Karzai government isn't being aggressive enough in pursuing the eradication. Karzai has responded, saying that the real problem is a lack of support on the part of the international community.
Now, these news conferences under these circumstances are usually quite brief. But there are any -- any other number of subjects to talk about. But first, let's hear what they have to say.
(INTERRUPTED BY LIVE EVENT)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you. Welcome. Mr. President, welcome back to the White House. I am honored to stand by the first democratically elected leader in the 5,000-year history of Afghanistan. Congratulations.
HAMID KARZAI, PRESIDENT OF AFGHANISTAN: Thank you, sir, very much.
BUSH: I want to thank you for your friendship and your commitment to freedom. I especially want to thank you for being such a wonderful host to my wife, Laura.
She came back overwhelmed by the experience, touched by the people she met and optimistic about the future for your country.
So thanks for being a good host and thanks for being such a fine inspiration to not only the people of your country but showing the countries in your neighborhood what's possible. And your leadership has been strong.
And it's in our interests that Afghanistan be free. Afghanistan is no longer a safe haven for terrorists. Afghanistan is a key partner in the global war on terror. Our troops have fought and will continue to fight side by side to defeat the few who want to stop the ambitions of the many.
Increasing numbers of low-level Taliban are getting the message that Afghanistan's society is peaceful and optimistic. And I appreciate your efforts to reach out to the low-level members of the Taliban.
I am impressed by the progress that you're making toward a market economy and a full-fledged democracy.
One of the things that's very important -- that is a shift of opinions taking place in Afghanistan, where now women are equal partners in society. Over 40 percent of the voters on that October day were women voters. Girls are now going to school. Women entrepreneurs are opening businesses.
BUSH: The president was telling me that there's quite a number of candidates who filed for the upcoming legislative elections who are women.
The model, the example being set by Afghanistan in that part of the world is an important message, because you can't have a free and hopeful society unless women are full participants in the society.
And so, Mr. President, thank you for your leadership.
We're looking forward to watching and helping make sure these elections go forward in a peaceful manner.
The number of candidates who have filed is quite impressive. I think you maybe told me over 5,000.
KARZAI: Over 5,000. BUSH: Yes, 5,000 people have filed for office. Democracy's flourishing.
We spent a lot of time talking about the challenges we continue to face. Our objective is to continue to train the Afghan army so that they're capable of defeating the terrorists.
However, today it's important for the Afghan people to understand that we have a strategic vision about our relationship with Afghanistan.
I signed a strategic partnership with the president. It's a partnership that we've been working on for quite a while. It's a partnership that establishes regular high-level exchanges on political security and economic interests -- economic issues of mutual interest.
We will consult with Afghanistan if it perceives its territorial integrity, independence or security is at risk.
We will help the Afghan people build strong, lasting government and civic institutions.
We'll continue to support reconstruction, economic development and investments that will help educate and build the skills of the Afghan people.
I've got great faith in the future in Afghanistan.
First, I've got great faith in the ability of democracy to provide hope.
And I've got faith in this man as a leader. He has shown tremendous courage in the face of difficult odds. He's been a strong leader. He's a good friend to our country.
BUSH: And, Mr. President, it's my honor to welcome you back here. Congratulations.
KARZAI: Thank you very much.
My turn?
BUSH: Your turn.
Don't give these an opening; they'll jump in there at a moment's notice.
KARZAI: Yes.
Mr. President, it's a great pleasure and privilege to be visiting the United States again, to be visiting you in the White House with the usual warmth and hospitality.
I was in Boston yesterday meeting with all of the students on their commencement day. I was given an honorary degree which was a great honor for me, and received tremendous warmth there as well.
The United States has been a country with whose help we have rebuilt our country -- are in the process of rebuilding our country. And you have been at the forefront of that effort with us in Afghanistan and in the rest of the world.
I am here today to thank you, Mr. President, once again for your leadership in providing Afghanistan the security, the reconstruction and the freedoms that the Afghan people have today.
BUSH: Thank you, sir.
KARZAI: You cannot imagine, Mr. President, and I cannot tell you that in a few words -- there are so many words that it has to take much longer time for me to describe to you what Afghanistan was going through three years ago. So it's difficult to say and sometimes -- rather, often neither our press, nor your press, nor the press in the rest of the world pick up the miseries of the Afghans three years ago and what has been achieved since then till today.
KARZAI: We have a constitution. We have a presidential election. And I'm glad it turned out to be good for me.
(LAUGHTER)
And we...
BUSH: I know how you feel.
KARZAI: Yes, well, I believe we share that feeling, yes.
(LAUGHTER)
And we are going to have a parliamentary election in three months' time.
And I just informed the president that we have, as of the day before yesterday, over 5,000 candidates for the national assembly and for the provincial assemblies. There are women from all the provinces of the country who will be coming to the parliament.
So the country is moving forward.
We have been talking with your officials in Afghanistan and have conveyed to you, through your embassy and government, the desire of the Afghan people to have a strategic partnership with America because, after the completion of the parliamentary elections, the Bonn process will come to an end.
From that point onwards, we'd like the world to recognize that, with the completion of the Bonn process and the arrival of the Afghan parliament, Afghanistan will not suddenly stand on its own feet.
Politically, we would have done the process. Politically, we would have completed the process. But in terms of institutional strength, Afghanistan will continue to need a lot of support. And I'm glad that he signed with me today a memorandum of understanding on the long-term partnership between Afghanistan and the United States of America, which will make sure that Afghanistan continues to receive reconstruction assistance; which will make sure that Afghanistan continues to receive training from the U.S. for its military and the police; and which will enable Afghanistan to stand on its own feet eventually and be a good, active member of the region contributing to peace and stability in the region and be a bridge between various parts of that part of the world for trade and values.
KARZAI: Mr. President, I'm here today to thank you for all that you have done for Afghanistan.
And we are very, very happy -- we are grateful you sent the vice president of the United States to come and attend the inauguration in Afghanistan. It was a tremendous honor for us to receive him there -- to have him there.
It was the manifestation of the commitment of the United States and yourself to the Afghan people to have that day attended by the vice president.
And we are very, very happy, more importantly, to have had the first lady visit us in Afghanistan. We were thrilled. The Afghan women were thrilled. The Afghan society was thrilled. And now you guess whose turn it is now to come to Afghanistan.
(LAUGHTER)
So we will be hoping to see you there very soon. The country's much greener than it was in the past few years.
I thank you once again for receiving us here and for the support you have given to us all along and will continue to do so.
BUSH: Thank you.
Of course I don't want to correct my friend, but I must. In thanking me, you're really thanking the American people.
KARZAI: Of course.
BUSH: And the American people are most impressed by the progress you've made, Mr. President. And it's progress that we look forward to working with you so that you can continue to make progress.
In the spirit of free press, we'll answer a couple of questions.
KARZAI: Yes, we all know that, yes.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
Mr. President, will you give the Karzai government custody of Afghan citizens detained by the United States? And are you willing to give Afghanistan more say in U.S. military matters in their country?
And to President Karzai, did you discuss the prisoner abuse at Bagram issue with the president?
BUSH: First, in terms of more say over our military, our relationship is one of cooperate and consult. Of course our troops will respond to U.S. commanders, but our U.S. commanders and our diplomatic mission there is in a consultative relationship with the government.
It's a free society. There's a democratically elected government. They've invited us in. And we'll consult with them in terms of how to achieve mutual goals.
And that is to root out the remnants of Al Qaida and to deal with those folks who would come and like to create harm to U.S. citizens and/or Afghan citizens.
I'm must say, the Afghan military is making great progress. It hadn't been all that long ago that we started a training mission. Now there's over 25,000 troops who are trained and ready to fight. And they take the fight to these thugs that are coming across the border to create havoc.
And we've got another, I think, 22,000 to train, to get this army fully stood up.
And our mission in Afghanistan and Iraq is the same. I mean, we want these new democracies to be able to defend themselves. And so we will continue to work with the Afghans to train them and to cooperate and consult with the government.
The other aspect of the question?
QUESTION: It was about the prisoner (inaudible).
BUSH: Oh, the prisoners, yes.
Our policy, as you know, has been to work our way through those who are being held in Guantanamo and sent them back to the host countries. And we will do so over time with the Afghan government.
Part of the issue is to make sure there's a place where the prisoners can be held. As I explained to the president that our policy is one where we want the people to be sent home, but, two, we've got to make sure the facilities are there, facilities where these people can be housed and fed and guarded.
BUSH: Now, you asked about the prison. Yes, he did bring up the prison abuse.
KARZAI: On the question of the prisoner abuse, we are, of course, sad about that. But let me make sure that you all know that that does not reflect on the American people.
Right now in Afghanistan there is an Italian lady that has been kidnapped by an Afghan man, while there are hundreds of Afghan women demonstrating outside in the streets of Kabul demanding the release of that woman, the Italian lady. So the prisoner abuse thing is not at all a thing that we attribute to anybody else but those individuals. The Afghan people are grateful very, very much to the American people, and recognize that individual acts do not reflect either on governments or on societies. These things happen everywhere.
As we are sad, we recognize that the American people, kind as they are to Afghanistan, have nothing to do with that.
And I'm glad to tell you that I was reading today somewhere that one of those persons has been given a sentence of prison for three months and removed from his job, and that's a good thing.
We, I must repeat, strongly are fully aware of the tremendously good values of the American people and of their kind attitude toward us and others in this world.
Thank you.
BUSH: Somebody from the Afghan press?
KARZAI: Anybody from the Afghan press? Do we have an Afghan press? Oh, here he is.
QUESTION (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This question was for President Bush. The question was beside security and military assistance, Afghanistan needs more economic assistance. How can the U.S. assist more in building the economic infrastructure of Afghanistan?
BUSH: As you know, we cooperated early with Japan and Saudi Arabia and helped them build a very important highway. I can remember when then-Secretary of State Powell came in and asked whether or not I thought this made sense, and I did. And I think I talked to you about it when I first did this.
KARZAI: Yes, yes.
BUSH: I hope that highway is complete, if not, being completed.
KARZAI: It is.
BUSH: We talked today about electricity. Interestingly enough, Afghanistan has got natural gas resources. And those gas resources can be used to fire electricity plants, which will be helpful for the infrastructure.
And as a matter of fact, thanks to the United States Congress, there is reconstruction money in the supplemental and the budget, and that's good.
And so those are ways we can help. The truth of the matter, another way we can help is to diversify the agricultural sector, which leads to a subject which we spent some time on, and that is opium and poppies.
BUSH: As you know, there is too much poppy cultivation in Afghanistan. And I made it very clear to the president that we have got to work together to eradicate the poppy crop. And the president, not only in this meeting but in other meetings, has been very forthcoming about the desire to eradicate poppy.
And, as a matter of fact, according to the United Nations report, there is less poppy today than the previous year. The president can give you some statistics on that if you're interested.
One of the interesting issues, however, besides poppy crop eradication and, frankly, bringing people to justice who are running drugs, is for crop substitution.
And President Karzai was talking about how the quality of the pomegranate that used to be grown in Afghanistan evidently is quite famous for -- the country is quite famous for growing pomegranates.
KARZAI: Yes.
BUSH: Or honeydew melons. In other words, there's some speciality crops, along with wheat and corn, that can and should be grown in Afghanistan.
BUSH: The president brought his agricultural minister with him and we look forward to working on this aspect of economic development.
After all, Afghanistan has had a long history of farming and we can do a lot to help the farmers get back on their feet and diversify away from poppies.
And so there are some areas where we discussed help.
The truth of the matter is, though, that it's very important for your government to make -- continue to make -- and I'm confident the president will -- but continue to make the right decisions about rule of law and transparency and decisions that'll encourage an open marketplace so that people will feel comfortable investing in your country.
I don't know if you want to comment on the poppy issue.
KARZAI: On the drugs issue, yes, yes.
Mr. President, indeed Afghanistan is suffering from the cultivation of poppies, which is undermining our economy.
KARZAI: It's giving us a bad name, worst of all.
Just after the inauguration, a day after the vice president and Secretary Rumsfeld left Afghanistan for the U.S., we called a meeting of the Afghan elders and representatives and spoke to them about the curse of poppies in Afghanistan.
The response to that was very positive. A lot of provinces that were the biggest producers of poppy refrained from producing poppies.
Three years ago, I saw a report in the press that the province of Nangarhar, which used to produce poppies, has now reduced poppies by 80 percent -- the same as in Helmand, the same as in Badakhshan, the same as in other areas where poppies were grown.
KARZAI: So we are hoping that Afghanistan this year will have something between 20 percent to 30 percent reduction in poppies all over the country. And that is a lot.
When I was addressing the Afghan people a few months ago, I was not expecting the response to be so positive, or that we would have poppy reduction by so many percentages in a year.
Now, if this trend continues, we'll have no poppies, hopefully, in Afghanistan in another five or six years.
But equally important is the provision of alternative livelihoods to the Afghan people. The president mentioned pomegranates, honeydew melon. Lots of other things in Afghanistan that people destroyed in order to replace with poppies have to be now brought back to the lives of the Afghan farmers, alternative livelihood and our dedication to the arrest of drug dealers, Mafia, the producers of the labs is going on.
KARZAI: With this trend and with proper alternative livelihood, hopefully, in five to six years, Afghanistan should be free of poppies.
That's a promise we have given to the world and to the Afghan people, and that's a promise that we will deliver on. Hold us accountable on that.
BUSH: Thank you, sir.
QUESTION: Mr. President, on judicial nominees, are you willing to risk a stalling of your domestic agenda in order to get votes on judicial nominees? And what do you say to critics who say the Republicans did basically the same thing to some of President Clinton's nominees?
BUSH: Steve, I have made my position very clear, and that is: My job is to pick people who will interpret the Constitution, not use the bench from which to write law.
That's what I campaigned on. I said, "If I'm the president, I will pick people who do that."
I said I'll pick people who will bring great credit to the bench, and that's exactly what I've done.
I'm consistent with judicial philosophy in my picks, as well as the character of the people I pick.
BUSH: And I expect them to get an up-or-down vote. That's what I expect.
And I think the American people expect that as well. People ought to have a fair hearing, and they ought to get an up-or-down vote on the floor.
Why don't you go with one final question?
KARZAI: All right.
BUSH: We've got this lady reporter here.
KARZAI: Lady?
QUESTION: Just to follow up on the treatment of the prisoners, Mr. President, you know, anti-American feeling is running high in the Muslim world. We've seen it in Afghanistan after the alleged disintegration of the Koran in Guantanamo.
After meeting with the president, how do you assure the Muslim world and Afghan people, that they've seen death as a result of the article, that this incident in Bagram and other treatment of prisoners isolated incident and it's not systemic?
And if I may ask you, Mr. President, as you know, the casualties of Iraq is again high today, 50 more people dying. Do you think that insurgence is getting harder now to defeat militarily?
BUSH: No, I don't think so. I think they're being defeated, and that's why they continue to fight.
BUSH: The worst thing for them is to see democracy.
The president can speak to that firsthand.
The worst problem that an ideologue that uses terror to try to get their way is to see a free society emerge. And I'm confident we're making great progress in Iraq.
And clearly, it's dangerous, and we mourn the loss of life. On the other hand, the 8.5 million Iraqis who went to the polls sent a very clear message to the world that they want to be free.
KARZAI: Ma'am, yes, we discussed those questions.
On the demonstrations, or the so-called demonstrations in part of the -- parts of Afghanistan, you saw that government buildings were burned and private property was damaged, broken. Those demonstrations were in reality not related to the "Newsweek" story. They were more against the elections in Afghanistan.
KARZAI: They were more against the elections in Afghanistan. They were more against the progress in Afghanistan. They were more against the strategic partnership with the United States.
We know who did it. We know the guys. We know the people behind those demonstrations. And unfortunately you don't, here, follow the Afghan press. But if you listen to the Voice of America, the Radio Liberty and the BBC, the Afghan population condemned those acts of arson in Afghanistan. Of course, we are, as Muslims, very much unhappy with "Newsweek" bringing a matter so serious in the gossip column. It's really something that one shouldn't do, that responsible journalism shouldn't do at all.
KARZAI: But "Newsweek" story is not America's story. That's what we understand in Afghanistan.
America has over 1,000 mosques. I have gone and prayed in mosques here in America. I've prayed in Virginia. I've gone and prayed in Maryland. I've been to a mosque in Washington.
And thousands of Afghans have been to mosques and, as a matter of fact, hundreds of thousands of Muslims are going, on a daily basis, to mosques in America and praying.
And this is what was also reflected in Afghanistan. People spoke in the mosques, the clergy, and said, "What the hell are you doing?"
There's a respect, there's this freedom in America for religion, and there are Muslims, on a daily basis, praying in mosques in America. And there are Korans, holy Korans, all over America -- in homes and mosques.
So it was a political act against Afghanistan's stability, which we have condemned, which the Afghan people have condemned.
KARZAI: On the issue of prisoners, I spoke earlier. It does not reflect at all on American people. On the contrary, it's an individual act, just like that bad Afghan kidnapped an Italian lady and is not the work of the Afghan people. In the same way, we treat this case.
BUSH: Thank you, Mr. President.
KAGAN: We've been listening in to this news conference. In the East Room of the White House, you have presidents Bush and President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, touching on a number of topics that we expected in terms of the U.S. military in Afghanistan. And perhaps President Karzai looking for more control over military action. To that, President Bush said that there will be cooperation and consultation, but that U.S. troops answer to U.S. commanders.
Also touching on prisoner abuse and opium production in Afghanistan. And then one domestic question for President Bush on the question of judicial nominees and the showdown that looks like it's headed for the U.S. Senate later this week.
Our Bob Franken is at the White House today listening in as well -- Bob.
FRANKEN: Well, what strikes you about this event is the effort the two went to, to paint Afghanistan as a country that is independent of the United States, to finesse some of the issues that raised questions about that. First of all, the announcement that came out of it is that they signed a memorandum of understanding over a strategic partnership, a word that you hear over and over again at the White House, that the United States has a partnership with Afghanistan. The president of Afghanistan saying that it will still be quite some time "before the country can stand on its own feet eventually."
There were also the issues they say that they brought up, issues we expected. Primary, perhaps, the issue of the treatment of Afghan detainees, both in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Karzai repeatedly saying that he did not believe that the alleged mistreatment reflected the people of the United States. Nor, as a matter of fact, did he say that he believed the reports in the "Newsweek," as he called it, gossip column, reflected the view in the United States of Americans toward Muslims. He made that point over and over again.
But the larger point he was trying to make, and it seemed that they were both trying to make, is that Afghanistan is a country that is standing on its own feet, that it is not dictated to by the United States. And also, the other point, that about the upcoming filibuster vote in the Senate.
The president adamantly insists that he wants an up-or-down vote on each of his candidates for judicial nomination. Of course there are some negotiations going on which might at least get rid of a couple of those candidates. So he didn't really advance that at all -- Daryn.
KAGAN: Bob Franken at the White House. Bob, thank you.
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DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Let's take a look at what's happening "Now in the News."
President Bush and Afghan President Hamid Karzai will be speaking with reporters at the White House shortly. They met last hour against the backdrop of deadly protests, alleged detainee abuse and concerns of opium production in Afghanistan. We'll have live coverage of their news conference just ahead.
First lady Laura Bush is in Egypt, the latest stop on her Middle East tour. She is downplaying the demonstrations that erupted during her visit to Jerusalem. Protesters surrounded the first lady at the Dome of the Rock, one of Islam's holiest sites. Earlier, about 40 Jews demonstrated as she visited the Western Wall.
More insurgent attacks in Iraq -- actually, the U.S. Supreme Court is stepping back into the abortion debate. Within the last hour, the high court agreed to hear a state appeal from New Hampshire. It's an attempt to reinstate a parental notification law for a minor to have an abortion.
Now on to Iraq. More insurgent attacks in Iraq today. An adviser to the Iraqi prime minister's office was gunned down this morning in Baghdad. Police say he was killed by a drive-by shooting.
Also in Baghdad, a deadly car bomb outside a restaurant in a Shiite neighborhood. The explosion killed at least 10 Iraqis and wounded more than 100.
U.S. and Iraqi forces have carried out their largest joint operation so far. Officials say a substantial number of suspected terrorists have been detained. The search is dubbed Operation Squeeze Play. It targeted insurgents in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib district. They're suspected attacks on the prison and on the road linking the capital to the airport.
And let's check the time. 11:00 a.m. on the East Coast, 8:00 a.m. on the West. From the CNN Center in Atlanta, good morning once again. I'm Daryn Kagan.
First up, Afghanistan's leader is in Washington this morning. Hamid Karzai has much to discuss with President Bush. Protesters in the streets allege prisoner abuse, Taliban insurgents, a blossoming drug trade. Live coverage when presidents Bush and Karzai meet with reporters in just a moment.
First, though, to CNN's Bob Franken at the White House for us this morning.
Bob, good morning.
BOB FRANKEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: So much to talk about, Daryn. So little time. The presidents are in the Oval Office now. Their agenda is quite full.
Hamid Karzai, of course, is coming back to the White House since -- for the first time since he was elected in December. And he has to leave an impression, or undo an impression that Afghanistan is just really a client state of the United States. By the way, you're looking at the East Room, where the news conference is going to be held in just a couple of minutes.
There are some people who use the pejorative term "puppet" to refer to Karzai. The White House this morning refuted that, saying that he is a partner, always has been. Of course, there is strong symbolic value here. Afghanistan, even though it's been overshadowed by Iraq, is where the first international part of the war on terror was being fought for all the obvious reasons.
Much to talk about, as I said. Probably most notably is the question about the U.S. military and the U.S. military treatment of all its Afghan detainees, both in Afghanistan and around the world. There have been many, many reports that the treatment has been mistreatment. Karzai has made it very clear, including his comments on CNN's "LATE EDITION" yesterday, that this is a priority for him, that it's an outrage that this has been going on, and that he wants some changes.
Among them, more Afghan involvement in the military operations in Afghanistan, which, of course, are under the control of the United States. But he wants more participation by his government in those decisions.
On the other side of the ledger, there is criticism, even within the United States government, that one of the priorities of the U.S. is not being properly handled by the Afghan government, and that is the eradication of the poppy fields. Poppy, of course, the fundamental ingredient in opium. It is such a large supplier to the world.
The State Department, according to "The New York Times," put out a memo that said that the Karzai government isn't being aggressive enough in pursuing the eradication. Karzai has responded, saying that the real problem is a lack of support on the part of the international community.
Now, these news conferences under these circumstances are usually quite brief. But there are any -- any other number of subjects to talk about. But first, let's hear what they have to say.
(INTERRUPTED BY LIVE EVENT)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you. Welcome. Mr. President, welcome back to the White House. I am honored to stand by the first democratically elected leader in the 5,000-year history of Afghanistan. Congratulations.
HAMID KARZAI, PRESIDENT OF AFGHANISTAN: Thank you, sir, very much.
BUSH: I want to thank you for your friendship and your commitment to freedom. I especially want to thank you for being such a wonderful host to my wife, Laura.
She came back overwhelmed by the experience, touched by the people she met and optimistic about the future for your country.
So thanks for being a good host and thanks for being such a fine inspiration to not only the people of your country but showing the countries in your neighborhood what's possible. And your leadership has been strong.
And it's in our interests that Afghanistan be free. Afghanistan is no longer a safe haven for terrorists. Afghanistan is a key partner in the global war on terror. Our troops have fought and will continue to fight side by side to defeat the few who want to stop the ambitions of the many.
Increasing numbers of low-level Taliban are getting the message that Afghanistan's society is peaceful and optimistic. And I appreciate your efforts to reach out to the low-level members of the Taliban.
I am impressed by the progress that you're making toward a market economy and a full-fledged democracy.
One of the things that's very important -- that is a shift of opinions taking place in Afghanistan, where now women are equal partners in society. Over 40 percent of the voters on that October day were women voters. Girls are now going to school. Women entrepreneurs are opening businesses.
BUSH: The president was telling me that there's quite a number of candidates who filed for the upcoming legislative elections who are women.
The model, the example being set by Afghanistan in that part of the world is an important message, because you can't have a free and hopeful society unless women are full participants in the society.
And so, Mr. President, thank you for your leadership.
We're looking forward to watching and helping make sure these elections go forward in a peaceful manner.
The number of candidates who have filed is quite impressive. I think you maybe told me over 5,000.
KARZAI: Over 5,000. BUSH: Yes, 5,000 people have filed for office. Democracy's flourishing.
We spent a lot of time talking about the challenges we continue to face. Our objective is to continue to train the Afghan army so that they're capable of defeating the terrorists.
However, today it's important for the Afghan people to understand that we have a strategic vision about our relationship with Afghanistan.
I signed a strategic partnership with the president. It's a partnership that we've been working on for quite a while. It's a partnership that establishes regular high-level exchanges on political security and economic interests -- economic issues of mutual interest.
We will consult with Afghanistan if it perceives its territorial integrity, independence or security is at risk.
We will help the Afghan people build strong, lasting government and civic institutions.
We'll continue to support reconstruction, economic development and investments that will help educate and build the skills of the Afghan people.
I've got great faith in the future in Afghanistan.
First, I've got great faith in the ability of democracy to provide hope.
And I've got faith in this man as a leader. He has shown tremendous courage in the face of difficult odds. He's been a strong leader. He's a good friend to our country.
BUSH: And, Mr. President, it's my honor to welcome you back here. Congratulations.
KARZAI: Thank you very much.
My turn?
BUSH: Your turn.
Don't give these an opening; they'll jump in there at a moment's notice.
KARZAI: Yes.
Mr. President, it's a great pleasure and privilege to be visiting the United States again, to be visiting you in the White House with the usual warmth and hospitality.
I was in Boston yesterday meeting with all of the students on their commencement day. I was given an honorary degree which was a great honor for me, and received tremendous warmth there as well.
The United States has been a country with whose help we have rebuilt our country -- are in the process of rebuilding our country. And you have been at the forefront of that effort with us in Afghanistan and in the rest of the world.
I am here today to thank you, Mr. President, once again for your leadership in providing Afghanistan the security, the reconstruction and the freedoms that the Afghan people have today.
BUSH: Thank you, sir.
KARZAI: You cannot imagine, Mr. President, and I cannot tell you that in a few words -- there are so many words that it has to take much longer time for me to describe to you what Afghanistan was going through three years ago. So it's difficult to say and sometimes -- rather, often neither our press, nor your press, nor the press in the rest of the world pick up the miseries of the Afghans three years ago and what has been achieved since then till today.
KARZAI: We have a constitution. We have a presidential election. And I'm glad it turned out to be good for me.
(LAUGHTER)
And we...
BUSH: I know how you feel.
KARZAI: Yes, well, I believe we share that feeling, yes.
(LAUGHTER)
And we are going to have a parliamentary election in three months' time.
And I just informed the president that we have, as of the day before yesterday, over 5,000 candidates for the national assembly and for the provincial assemblies. There are women from all the provinces of the country who will be coming to the parliament.
So the country is moving forward.
We have been talking with your officials in Afghanistan and have conveyed to you, through your embassy and government, the desire of the Afghan people to have a strategic partnership with America because, after the completion of the parliamentary elections, the Bonn process will come to an end.
From that point onwards, we'd like the world to recognize that, with the completion of the Bonn process and the arrival of the Afghan parliament, Afghanistan will not suddenly stand on its own feet.
Politically, we would have done the process. Politically, we would have completed the process. But in terms of institutional strength, Afghanistan will continue to need a lot of support. And I'm glad that he signed with me today a memorandum of understanding on the long-term partnership between Afghanistan and the United States of America, which will make sure that Afghanistan continues to receive reconstruction assistance; which will make sure that Afghanistan continues to receive training from the U.S. for its military and the police; and which will enable Afghanistan to stand on its own feet eventually and be a good, active member of the region contributing to peace and stability in the region and be a bridge between various parts of that part of the world for trade and values.
KARZAI: Mr. President, I'm here today to thank you for all that you have done for Afghanistan.
And we are very, very happy -- we are grateful you sent the vice president of the United States to come and attend the inauguration in Afghanistan. It was a tremendous honor for us to receive him there -- to have him there.
It was the manifestation of the commitment of the United States and yourself to the Afghan people to have that day attended by the vice president.
And we are very, very happy, more importantly, to have had the first lady visit us in Afghanistan. We were thrilled. The Afghan women were thrilled. The Afghan society was thrilled. And now you guess whose turn it is now to come to Afghanistan.
(LAUGHTER)
So we will be hoping to see you there very soon. The country's much greener than it was in the past few years.
I thank you once again for receiving us here and for the support you have given to us all along and will continue to do so.
BUSH: Thank you.
Of course I don't want to correct my friend, but I must. In thanking me, you're really thanking the American people.
KARZAI: Of course.
BUSH: And the American people are most impressed by the progress you've made, Mr. President. And it's progress that we look forward to working with you so that you can continue to make progress.
In the spirit of free press, we'll answer a couple of questions.
KARZAI: Yes, we all know that, yes.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
Mr. President, will you give the Karzai government custody of Afghan citizens detained by the United States? And are you willing to give Afghanistan more say in U.S. military matters in their country?
And to President Karzai, did you discuss the prisoner abuse at Bagram issue with the president?
BUSH: First, in terms of more say over our military, our relationship is one of cooperate and consult. Of course our troops will respond to U.S. commanders, but our U.S. commanders and our diplomatic mission there is in a consultative relationship with the government.
It's a free society. There's a democratically elected government. They've invited us in. And we'll consult with them in terms of how to achieve mutual goals.
And that is to root out the remnants of Al Qaida and to deal with those folks who would come and like to create harm to U.S. citizens and/or Afghan citizens.
I'm must say, the Afghan military is making great progress. It hadn't been all that long ago that we started a training mission. Now there's over 25,000 troops who are trained and ready to fight. And they take the fight to these thugs that are coming across the border to create havoc.
And we've got another, I think, 22,000 to train, to get this army fully stood up.
And our mission in Afghanistan and Iraq is the same. I mean, we want these new democracies to be able to defend themselves. And so we will continue to work with the Afghans to train them and to cooperate and consult with the government.
The other aspect of the question?
QUESTION: It was about the prisoner (inaudible).
BUSH: Oh, the prisoners, yes.
Our policy, as you know, has been to work our way through those who are being held in Guantanamo and sent them back to the host countries. And we will do so over time with the Afghan government.
Part of the issue is to make sure there's a place where the prisoners can be held. As I explained to the president that our policy is one where we want the people to be sent home, but, two, we've got to make sure the facilities are there, facilities where these people can be housed and fed and guarded.
BUSH: Now, you asked about the prison. Yes, he did bring up the prison abuse.
KARZAI: On the question of the prisoner abuse, we are, of course, sad about that. But let me make sure that you all know that that does not reflect on the American people.
Right now in Afghanistan there is an Italian lady that has been kidnapped by an Afghan man, while there are hundreds of Afghan women demonstrating outside in the streets of Kabul demanding the release of that woman, the Italian lady. So the prisoner abuse thing is not at all a thing that we attribute to anybody else but those individuals. The Afghan people are grateful very, very much to the American people, and recognize that individual acts do not reflect either on governments or on societies. These things happen everywhere.
As we are sad, we recognize that the American people, kind as they are to Afghanistan, have nothing to do with that.
And I'm glad to tell you that I was reading today somewhere that one of those persons has been given a sentence of prison for three months and removed from his job, and that's a good thing.
We, I must repeat, strongly are fully aware of the tremendously good values of the American people and of their kind attitude toward us and others in this world.
Thank you.
BUSH: Somebody from the Afghan press?
KARZAI: Anybody from the Afghan press? Do we have an Afghan press? Oh, here he is.
QUESTION (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This question was for President Bush. The question was beside security and military assistance, Afghanistan needs more economic assistance. How can the U.S. assist more in building the economic infrastructure of Afghanistan?
BUSH: As you know, we cooperated early with Japan and Saudi Arabia and helped them build a very important highway. I can remember when then-Secretary of State Powell came in and asked whether or not I thought this made sense, and I did. And I think I talked to you about it when I first did this.
KARZAI: Yes, yes.
BUSH: I hope that highway is complete, if not, being completed.
KARZAI: It is.
BUSH: We talked today about electricity. Interestingly enough, Afghanistan has got natural gas resources. And those gas resources can be used to fire electricity plants, which will be helpful for the infrastructure.
And as a matter of fact, thanks to the United States Congress, there is reconstruction money in the supplemental and the budget, and that's good.
And so those are ways we can help. The truth of the matter, another way we can help is to diversify the agricultural sector, which leads to a subject which we spent some time on, and that is opium and poppies.
BUSH: As you know, there is too much poppy cultivation in Afghanistan. And I made it very clear to the president that we have got to work together to eradicate the poppy crop. And the president, not only in this meeting but in other meetings, has been very forthcoming about the desire to eradicate poppy.
And, as a matter of fact, according to the United Nations report, there is less poppy today than the previous year. The president can give you some statistics on that if you're interested.
One of the interesting issues, however, besides poppy crop eradication and, frankly, bringing people to justice who are running drugs, is for crop substitution.
And President Karzai was talking about how the quality of the pomegranate that used to be grown in Afghanistan evidently is quite famous for -- the country is quite famous for growing pomegranates.
KARZAI: Yes.
BUSH: Or honeydew melons. In other words, there's some speciality crops, along with wheat and corn, that can and should be grown in Afghanistan.
BUSH: The president brought his agricultural minister with him and we look forward to working on this aspect of economic development.
After all, Afghanistan has had a long history of farming and we can do a lot to help the farmers get back on their feet and diversify away from poppies.
And so there are some areas where we discussed help.
The truth of the matter is, though, that it's very important for your government to make -- continue to make -- and I'm confident the president will -- but continue to make the right decisions about rule of law and transparency and decisions that'll encourage an open marketplace so that people will feel comfortable investing in your country.
I don't know if you want to comment on the poppy issue.
KARZAI: On the drugs issue, yes, yes.
Mr. President, indeed Afghanistan is suffering from the cultivation of poppies, which is undermining our economy.
KARZAI: It's giving us a bad name, worst of all.
Just after the inauguration, a day after the vice president and Secretary Rumsfeld left Afghanistan for the U.S., we called a meeting of the Afghan elders and representatives and spoke to them about the curse of poppies in Afghanistan.
The response to that was very positive. A lot of provinces that were the biggest producers of poppy refrained from producing poppies.
Three years ago, I saw a report in the press that the province of Nangarhar, which used to produce poppies, has now reduced poppies by 80 percent -- the same as in Helmand, the same as in Badakhshan, the same as in other areas where poppies were grown.
KARZAI: So we are hoping that Afghanistan this year will have something between 20 percent to 30 percent reduction in poppies all over the country. And that is a lot.
When I was addressing the Afghan people a few months ago, I was not expecting the response to be so positive, or that we would have poppy reduction by so many percentages in a year.
Now, if this trend continues, we'll have no poppies, hopefully, in Afghanistan in another five or six years.
But equally important is the provision of alternative livelihoods to the Afghan people. The president mentioned pomegranates, honeydew melon. Lots of other things in Afghanistan that people destroyed in order to replace with poppies have to be now brought back to the lives of the Afghan farmers, alternative livelihood and our dedication to the arrest of drug dealers, Mafia, the producers of the labs is going on.
KARZAI: With this trend and with proper alternative livelihood, hopefully, in five to six years, Afghanistan should be free of poppies.
That's a promise we have given to the world and to the Afghan people, and that's a promise that we will deliver on. Hold us accountable on that.
BUSH: Thank you, sir.
QUESTION: Mr. President, on judicial nominees, are you willing to risk a stalling of your domestic agenda in order to get votes on judicial nominees? And what do you say to critics who say the Republicans did basically the same thing to some of President Clinton's nominees?
BUSH: Steve, I have made my position very clear, and that is: My job is to pick people who will interpret the Constitution, not use the bench from which to write law.
That's what I campaigned on. I said, "If I'm the president, I will pick people who do that."
I said I'll pick people who will bring great credit to the bench, and that's exactly what I've done.
I'm consistent with judicial philosophy in my picks, as well as the character of the people I pick.
BUSH: And I expect them to get an up-or-down vote. That's what I expect.
And I think the American people expect that as well. People ought to have a fair hearing, and they ought to get an up-or-down vote on the floor.
Why don't you go with one final question?
KARZAI: All right.
BUSH: We've got this lady reporter here.
KARZAI: Lady?
QUESTION: Just to follow up on the treatment of the prisoners, Mr. President, you know, anti-American feeling is running high in the Muslim world. We've seen it in Afghanistan after the alleged disintegration of the Koran in Guantanamo.
After meeting with the president, how do you assure the Muslim world and Afghan people, that they've seen death as a result of the article, that this incident in Bagram and other treatment of prisoners isolated incident and it's not systemic?
And if I may ask you, Mr. President, as you know, the casualties of Iraq is again high today, 50 more people dying. Do you think that insurgence is getting harder now to defeat militarily?
BUSH: No, I don't think so. I think they're being defeated, and that's why they continue to fight.
BUSH: The worst thing for them is to see democracy.
The president can speak to that firsthand.
The worst problem that an ideologue that uses terror to try to get their way is to see a free society emerge. And I'm confident we're making great progress in Iraq.
And clearly, it's dangerous, and we mourn the loss of life. On the other hand, the 8.5 million Iraqis who went to the polls sent a very clear message to the world that they want to be free.
KARZAI: Ma'am, yes, we discussed those questions.
On the demonstrations, or the so-called demonstrations in part of the -- parts of Afghanistan, you saw that government buildings were burned and private property was damaged, broken. Those demonstrations were in reality not related to the "Newsweek" story. They were more against the elections in Afghanistan.
KARZAI: They were more against the elections in Afghanistan. They were more against the progress in Afghanistan. They were more against the strategic partnership with the United States.
We know who did it. We know the guys. We know the people behind those demonstrations. And unfortunately you don't, here, follow the Afghan press. But if you listen to the Voice of America, the Radio Liberty and the BBC, the Afghan population condemned those acts of arson in Afghanistan. Of course, we are, as Muslims, very much unhappy with "Newsweek" bringing a matter so serious in the gossip column. It's really something that one shouldn't do, that responsible journalism shouldn't do at all.
KARZAI: But "Newsweek" story is not America's story. That's what we understand in Afghanistan.
America has over 1,000 mosques. I have gone and prayed in mosques here in America. I've prayed in Virginia. I've gone and prayed in Maryland. I've been to a mosque in Washington.
And thousands of Afghans have been to mosques and, as a matter of fact, hundreds of thousands of Muslims are going, on a daily basis, to mosques in America and praying.
And this is what was also reflected in Afghanistan. People spoke in the mosques, the clergy, and said, "What the hell are you doing?"
There's a respect, there's this freedom in America for religion, and there are Muslims, on a daily basis, praying in mosques in America. And there are Korans, holy Korans, all over America -- in homes and mosques.
So it was a political act against Afghanistan's stability, which we have condemned, which the Afghan people have condemned.
KARZAI: On the issue of prisoners, I spoke earlier. It does not reflect at all on American people. On the contrary, it's an individual act, just like that bad Afghan kidnapped an Italian lady and is not the work of the Afghan people. In the same way, we treat this case.
BUSH: Thank you, Mr. President.
KAGAN: We've been listening in to this news conference. In the East Room of the White House, you have presidents Bush and President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, touching on a number of topics that we expected in terms of the U.S. military in Afghanistan. And perhaps President Karzai looking for more control over military action. To that, President Bush said that there will be cooperation and consultation, but that U.S. troops answer to U.S. commanders.
Also touching on prisoner abuse and opium production in Afghanistan. And then one domestic question for President Bush on the question of judicial nominees and the showdown that looks like it's headed for the U.S. Senate later this week.
Our Bob Franken is at the White House today listening in as well -- Bob.
FRANKEN: Well, what strikes you about this event is the effort the two went to, to paint Afghanistan as a country that is independent of the United States, to finesse some of the issues that raised questions about that. First of all, the announcement that came out of it is that they signed a memorandum of understanding over a strategic partnership, a word that you hear over and over again at the White House, that the United States has a partnership with Afghanistan. The president of Afghanistan saying that it will still be quite some time "before the country can stand on its own feet eventually."
There were also the issues they say that they brought up, issues we expected. Primary, perhaps, the issue of the treatment of Afghan detainees, both in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Karzai repeatedly saying that he did not believe that the alleged mistreatment reflected the people of the United States. Nor, as a matter of fact, did he say that he believed the reports in the "Newsweek," as he called it, gossip column, reflected the view in the United States of Americans toward Muslims. He made that point over and over again.
But the larger point he was trying to make, and it seemed that they were both trying to make, is that Afghanistan is a country that is standing on its own feet, that it is not dictated to by the United States. And also, the other point, that about the upcoming filibuster vote in the Senate.
The president adamantly insists that he wants an up-or-down vote on each of his candidates for judicial nomination. Of course there are some negotiations going on which might at least get rid of a couple of those candidates. So he didn't really advance that at all -- Daryn.
KAGAN: Bob Franken at the White House. Bob, thank you.
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