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Disaster in Hills of Southern California; Michael Jackson's Fate to be Delivered into Hands of Jury Just Hours From Now

Aired June 03, 2005 - 08:00   ET

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BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Disaster in the hills of Southern California. Does the wet weather mean this week's landslide is only the beginning? A geologist knows the area. She'll join us to answer that critical question in a moment.
Michael Jackson's fate delivered into the hands of the jury just hours from now.

And a shocking discovery in New York. A man in his '80s quietly stashing away hundreds and hundreds of guns. Trying to find out why, on AMERICAN MORNING.

ANNOUNCER: From the CNN broadcast center in New York, this is AMERICAN MORNING with Bill Hemmer and Soledad O'Brien.

HEMMER: It's Friday. It feels like it. Good morning.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning.

I'm Carol Costello in for Soledad today.

Also ahead, the two people who can fill in more of the details on Deep Throat than anyone, Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward.

HEMMER: Also, they were on "LARRY KING LIVE" last night for a full hour, talked about Mark Felt, about being scooped by "Vanity Fair" and took some viewer calls through most of the interesting parts of their reporting on Watergate. Fascinating stuff, too, watching and listening last night.

We will hear part of that in a moment, too, here. So stay tuned for more.

COSTELLO: Jack?

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What?

Go.

COSTELLO: I think it's your turn now.

CAFFERTY: Coming up in "The Cafferty File," a town in Massachusetts passes a resolution against spanking your kids. I would be moving to another town immediately. What you smell dictates how you drive. And a house cleaning orangutan caught on tape -- Carol.

HEMMER: Thanks.

COSTELLO: It wasn't me.

HEMMER: Thanks, Jack.

CAFFERTY: I know it wasn't. I didn't mean to imply it was.

HEMMER: To the headlines now.

Here's Valerie Morris with us -- good morning.

VALERIE MORRIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And good morning, again, Bill, Carol and Jack.

HEMMER: See that?

CAFFERTY: Valerie.

MORRIS: Now in the news, jurors in the Michael Jackson trial could begin their first day of deliberations today. Jackson's lawyers are expected to wrap up their closing arguments less than four hours from now. The prosecution will then make a rebuttal.

The U.S. is warning Americans in Indonesia to beware. Officials say terrorists are planning to bomb hotels in the capital, Jakarta. The warning comes after an unspecified security threat prompted the U.S. to temporarily close its diplomatic facilities in Indonesia last week.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair is preparing for his meeting with President Bush next week. Topping the agenda, plans to lift Africa out of poverty and to talk about global warming. The prime minister is due to arrive in Washington on Monday.

OK, so you think you've got rhythm? You need to thank your mom. A new study suggests that gently bouncing a baby while singing will help to wire the baby's brain to hear rhythm. The findings appear in the journal "Science."

And speaking of babies, actress Denise Richards is the proud mom of a second daughter, a baby girl named Lola. The birth comes three months after Richards filed for divorce from her husband, Charlie Sheen. "People" magazine reports Sheen was in the delivery room. We report that mother and daughter are said to be doing just fine.

Congratulations to them.

HEMMER: Yes, congratulations.

Thank you, Valerie.

MORRIS: Sure.

HEMMER: From Laguna Beach, California, residents are returning home after this massive landslide on Wednesday. Two hundred and fifty of 350 homes have been declared safe and residents were allowed back there. But 26 homes are now being yellow tagged, which means there is still a threat to those particular homes. Twenty-two homes are red- tagged, which means they are destroyed.

Some scientists say the cause is almost certainly related to heavy winter storms.

And Pam Irvine is a senior engineer and geologist with the California Geological Survey.

She is up early with us.

And, Pam, good morning.

You were poking around yesterday.

What did you find...

PAM IRVINE, CALIFORNIA GEOLOGICAL SURVEY: Good morning, Bill.

HEMMER: What did you find in your own survey of the area?

IRVINE: Well, it's much as we might have suspected. It was similar to the 1978 Bluebird Canyon slide. And we got a good view of the general extent of the sliding. I was sent down here at the request of the city and county through the governor's office of emergency services and as one of the state's efforts to aid -- to give assistance to local communities during disasters.

And so I give my observations, make my observations and kind of summarize what I've seen and make recommendations.

HEMMER: Yes, the winter has been over for five, six months right now. And if it's true that all that wet weather back in the wintertime caused this landslide, why did it take until June before these hills started moving, Pam?

IRVINE: Well, this is quite typical following a heavy rain, rainfall. We typically see in California it takes a lot of time for the water, the rainfall to percolate down into the rock or mass. And then the groundwater, as it rises, it creates weight on the rocks and it also decreases the strength of the rocks and increases the likelihood of sliding.

HEMMER: Back in January, you remember the scene in La Conchita. We all watched that from here in New York City, too. Just -- here's the tape, in fact. Just devastating stuff coming down there in daylight.

Does this mean -- and somebody suggested this week with the Geological Survey -- that we're not out of the woods yet? That was a quote from just yesterday, I believe.

Does it mean more landslides are in the offing, Pam?

IRVINE: Yes. We can certainly expect more of these deep-seated -- they're slower moving than the landslide that occurred in La Conchita in January. But they still can be destructive. And the entire coastal California is susceptible to these types of landslides.

HEMMER: There are some residents out there, and the "L.A. Times" is writing about this possibility here, there is apparently a home that was built four years ago that's 5,500 square feet. They refer to it as the Sinatra house locally because they believe some of Sinatra's relatives lived in the home. It was unoccupied and had not sold.

Could a home of that size cause what happened on Wednesday, Pam?

IRVINE: Well, I have not seen any of the geotechnical reports of any of the homes in the Bluebird Canyon area, so I can't really comment on that, because I don't know how much soil was moved or what the -- how much grading was involved. Because of the heavy rains, that appears to be, according to most geologists, including me, at this point, that's the most likely trigger. If further investigation turns up other possibilities, other contributing factors. But by and large, the heavy rainfall is the likely culprit.

HEMMER: All right, Pam, thanks.

Interesting stuff.

Pam Irvine with the California Geological Survey.

Appreciate your time there.

Here's Carol.

IRVINE: Thank you, Bill.

COSTELLO: Watergate reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein admit they got scooped on their own story.

On CNN's "LARRY KING LIVE" Thursday night, Bernstein and Woodward described their involvement with Mark Felt and said they were surprised he went public with the Deep Throat secret.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM CNN'S "LARRY KING LIVE")

LARRY KING, HOST: In a sense, Carl, this became bigger by him breaking it than if he had died and you said it was him.

CARL BERNSTEIN, FORMER "WASHINGTON POST" REPORTER: If history -- I don't know, you're probably right...

KING: I mean this is huge... BERNSTEIN: I'm amazed at how you (INAUDIBLE) story...

KING: Are you? BERNSTEIN: Yes, I am. You know, you always tend to underestimate something when you're in the middle of it. And this has become...

KING: So, this is bigger than you thought it would be? BERNSTEIN: Yes, it really is. But also, as Bob says, the circumstances are different than we anticipated. And the importance to us over 30 years was, not just with Mark Felt and Deep Throat, but to protect all of our confidential sources who had said we cannot release them from the pledge of confidentiality.

KING: How did you hear?

BOB WOODWARD, THE "WASHINGTON POST": He was what we always called "the reluctant source," somebody who did not come to us, somebody who would not say this is everything that's going on, this is what the story is, these are documents. He would only guide us and steer us. And when we would find out something, he would confirm it. And there are many specifics in our book, "All the President's Men." But you see it was really shoe leather, knocking on doors, Carl going down, finding various people like the bookkeeper who said, you know, there's a secret fund. And then I could go to Mark Felt and say, OK, is that in the FBI files, what does it mean? And then we could talk to other sources, so we were on really solid ground when we were writing these stories.

KING: Did you know...

WOODWARD: He was critical, but all these other people were also.

This is a man who's 91 now, cared for lovingly by his family, by his daughter, Joan, who I got to know some over the years, who is interested in his welfare. She believed he was Deep Throat. But he is somebody who's -- I think this is a man, during Watergate and during the years since Watergate, was in turmoil, profound ambivalence about what he had done, whether he had broken the code within the FBI or whether he had done something that was absolutely necessary to explain that there was this massive law breaking and obstruction of justice going on, led by, as we now know from the tapes, the president himself.

So he found his duty, but never, I think, felt totally comfortable with it. BERNSTEIN: The country was served because here was a man who told the truth while the president of the United States and the Justice Department and the apparatus of the government was engaged in massive corruption and would not tell the truth about the most serious constitutional crimes in our history.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

COSTELLO: According to the White House transcripts, former President Nixon and his aides suspected Felt was the Watergate inside source, but determined he could not be prosecuted.

Tonight, Barbara Walters turns the tables on Larry King, though. She will interview him as part of CNN's 25th anniversary. That's tonight at 9:00 Eastern.

HEMMER: Kind of a cool twist, huh?

COSTELLO: Yes, it's a cool twist.

HEMMER: That was a great show last night, by the way, with Woodward and Bernstein. And even they admit, Carol, that they're still finding out answers to questions that they have today, because they don't feel as if they know the whole story. COSTELLO: I'm always wondering how Mark Felt is feeling about all of this now, I mean, because some people think that he did obstruct justice and that he is the villain in this case, and that's why it took him so many years to come out with, you know, his secret. And you wonder if it's hurting him or if he understands it.

HEMMER: Sure. I think mental capacity is a question. And Bob Woodward has referred to that this past week, about his own mental condition now. Age 91, a lot of people are very lucid at that age. Others show the effects of aging, too.

COSTELLO: Well, I'm sure he's got a book coming out, so we'll see.

HEMMER: We'll see.

COSTELLO: Let's head down to Atlanta now and check-in with Chad Myers -- good morning, Chad.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Good morning, Carol.

(WEATHER REPORT)

HEMMER: In a moment here, a deformity that occurs in the headlines of otherwise healthy newborns.

ANGELA TONER, PAUL'S MOTHER: And he said did his hair look like that before or is it different? And then the next day I called the pediatrician and he said he needs to have a helmet, I think.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HEMMER: Could following common advice from pediatricians cause misshapen heads? We're "Paging Dr. Gupta" on that.

COSTELLO: Also, "Gimme A Minute." Jeb Bush says the White House is not for him. But if his father gets his way, that could change.

HEMMER: Also, the stunning discovery in the home of a elderly couple. The National Guard found it and we'll tell you what they found in a moment, when we continue in a moment, right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HEMMER: Now 16 minutes past the hour.

Parents of newborns may notice an unusually flat spot on their baby's head.

And as Dr. Sanjay Gupta now reports, that's a condition that can be corrected.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Before little Paul Toner was old enough to wear his bicycle helmet, he donned a helmet of a different sort.

TONER: I said did his head look like that before or is it different? And then the next day I called the pediatrician and he said he needs to have a helmet, I think.

GUPTA: First, they noticed a small bump on Paul's forehead when he was three months old; first on the front, then on the back.

TONER: The back of his head was like sheered. It was flat. His head was resting on the pelvic bone, and it was from birth. And it just exaggerated as he slept on his back. And he would always go to the flat spot because it was comfortable.

GUPTA: It's called deformational plagiocephaly, a fancy term for a misshapen head, usually caused by infants' heads resting on the same spot. All the Toners were doing was following their pediatrician's instructions, to lie Paul on his back when he slept. It's a very common practice that the American Academy of Pediatrics started recommending in 1992 to decrease the incidence of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, or SIDS

DR. HENRY SPINELLI, CRANIOFACIAL SURGEON: Babies have enormous heads per unit volume and size compared to us. They're not able to get their head turned or lifted out of the pillow or out of the mattress, so they're probably suffocating in SIDS. And that's the theory behind it.

GUPTA: And the Academy's recommendations have worked. National SIDS rates have gone down by more than 40 percent. But positional head deformities went up, from one in 400 to one in 60.

For babies whose heads are misshapen from their sleeping position, the treatment is purely cosmetic. The greatest risk, if not corrected by 24 to 28 months, when the skull permanently fuses -- the child's head may look somewhat asymmetrical. After that point, changing the shape of the head generally requires an operation. If noticed early on, parents can often correct the problem by alternating the position of the child's head during sleep, which in most cases helps the head eventually round out to a more normal appearance. But the Toners were not willing to take the risk.

TONER: I think he would have been looked at differently and teased and that kind of thing. If your dentist told you you needed braces, you would. You wouldn't -- if you could afford it, you would. And that was it.

GUPTA: The Toners could afford it, but not everyone can. Paul had two different helmets over the course of his treatment to accommodate his growing head, each costing about $800. And they had to go back every three weeks to have the helmet adjusted.

As it stands now, some, but not all, insurance companies cover the costs of this kind of treatment. Now, at 4-and-a-half, Paul has no signs of his formerly flattened head and no recollection of his helmet-wearing days.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

HEMMER: Thank you, Sanjay.

Doctors also recommending tummy time, making sure the baby spends plenty of time on his or her stomach, certainly during the waking hours -- Carol.

COSTELLO: And, Bill, there's another concern in the months after childbirth, postpartum depression. That's in the news since Tom Cruise criticized Brooke Shields for taking anti-depressants to treat her postpartum problems. We'll talk to a doctor about the best treatments.

That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: Let's check in now a Jack and the Question of the Day.

CAFFERTY: The British couple made it into the record books, Carol, this week. 105-year-old Percy Arrowsmith and his 100-year-old wife Florence celebrated their 80th wedding anniversary. He sleeps, she's talking. The secret to their success? Never go to sleep on an argument. They also say they always make sure to kiss and hold hands before retiring for the night.

The question is what's the secret to a successful marriage?

Stacey in Michigan writes: "As my mother told me, it's not 50-50 in a good relationship. Each partner should give 70 percent and expect only 30 percent in return. And then maybe everything will even out. Never stop trying to win over your mate."

Eric in Dallas writes: "One secret to a long marriage is not to run away to New Mexico before your wedding."

Mike in South Carolina: "There are two rules to a good marriage. Rule one, the wife is always right. Rule two, when the wife is wrong, refer back to rule number one and bite your tongue."

And Mike writes from North Carolina: "Marry an orphan."

COSTELLO: Ooh.

CAFFERTY: I like these. These are, this is good.

COSTELLO: Marry an orphan?

CAFFERTY: Well, you don't have the in-law problems that way.

COSTELLO: Oh.

HEMMER: There you go!

CAFFERTY: You know what I'm saying? That's -- marry an orphan.

HEMMER: I think that video is, I think that's the most charming video we've seen in a long time.

CAFFERTY: That's cute.

HEMMER: Just petting her head there, sitting on the couch talking away.

CAFFERTY: 105 and 100.

HEMMER: Wow!

CAFFERTY: Still getting it done. That's pretty cool.

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAFFERTY: Well, I mean, you know, the marriage thing.

HEMMER: Oh.

CAFFERTY: Isn't that sweet?

HEMMER: Oh. That is wonderful.

COSTELLO: Please read the next story now.

HEMMER: Why? I love watching them. One more time. One more time.

COSTELLO: Oh, come on.

CAFFERTY: This is, you know, play it again. This is better than a fish tank.

HEMMER: Yes.

CAFFERTY: It's very soothing. We're not going to see it again.

HEMMER: Stand by.

No, no, we've got this thing called a server.

CAFFERTY: Are they going to play it again?

HEMMER: It takes a while. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. There it is.

CAFFERTY: Look at that. How sweet are they?

HEMMER: Oh. Gee, he's just purring like a little dog.

CAFFERTY: Don't you wish you had somebody to rub your head like that?

HEMMER: I'm telling you. CAFFERTY: Absolutely.

HEMMER: Start shopping today.

COSTELLO: Oh, please read the next story now.

HEMMER: Thank you.

CAFFERTY: This is making Carol uncomfortable.

HEMMER: Yes, it is.

Dan Rather was talking with Larry King last night, his first prime time interview since leaving the anchor chair at CBS back in mid-March. He told CNN last night that while mistakes were made, he believes the whole story is still not known yet.

Here's Dan Rather.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM CNN'S "LARRY KING LIVE")

DAN RATHER, FORMER CBS NEWS ANCHOR: When people write about this story, they often say well, they dealt with fake documents or fraudulent documents. I'd just say gently that that's not known. That's not a fact. And if you're going to criticize us, and I think we should be criticized for some of the things we did and didn't do in reporting, then gently, I say, maybe you wouldn't want to say that. And the panel could not and did not conclude it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HEMMER: Dan Rather from last night.

Barbara Walters takes over for Larry later tonight.

She asks the questions, he gets the answers. Cool TV, 9:00 Eastern, 6:00 out on the West Coast; later tonight, prime time here on CNN.

In a moment, what are the chances of another Bush presidency? Is Jeb Bush ready to run for the White House? Thoughts from our "Gimme A Minute" panel coming up here in a moment, right after the break.

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Aired June 3, 2005 - 08:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Disaster in the hills of Southern California. Does the wet weather mean this week's landslide is only the beginning? A geologist knows the area. She'll join us to answer that critical question in a moment.
Michael Jackson's fate delivered into the hands of the jury just hours from now.

And a shocking discovery in New York. A man in his '80s quietly stashing away hundreds and hundreds of guns. Trying to find out why, on AMERICAN MORNING.

ANNOUNCER: From the CNN broadcast center in New York, this is AMERICAN MORNING with Bill Hemmer and Soledad O'Brien.

HEMMER: It's Friday. It feels like it. Good morning.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning.

I'm Carol Costello in for Soledad today.

Also ahead, the two people who can fill in more of the details on Deep Throat than anyone, Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward.

HEMMER: Also, they were on "LARRY KING LIVE" last night for a full hour, talked about Mark Felt, about being scooped by "Vanity Fair" and took some viewer calls through most of the interesting parts of their reporting on Watergate. Fascinating stuff, too, watching and listening last night.

We will hear part of that in a moment, too, here. So stay tuned for more.

COSTELLO: Jack?

JACK CAFFERTY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What?

Go.

COSTELLO: I think it's your turn now.

CAFFERTY: Coming up in "The Cafferty File," a town in Massachusetts passes a resolution against spanking your kids. I would be moving to another town immediately. What you smell dictates how you drive. And a house cleaning orangutan caught on tape -- Carol.

HEMMER: Thanks.

COSTELLO: It wasn't me.

HEMMER: Thanks, Jack.

CAFFERTY: I know it wasn't. I didn't mean to imply it was.

HEMMER: To the headlines now.

Here's Valerie Morris with us -- good morning.

VALERIE MORRIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And good morning, again, Bill, Carol and Jack.

HEMMER: See that?

CAFFERTY: Valerie.

MORRIS: Now in the news, jurors in the Michael Jackson trial could begin their first day of deliberations today. Jackson's lawyers are expected to wrap up their closing arguments less than four hours from now. The prosecution will then make a rebuttal.

The U.S. is warning Americans in Indonesia to beware. Officials say terrorists are planning to bomb hotels in the capital, Jakarta. The warning comes after an unspecified security threat prompted the U.S. to temporarily close its diplomatic facilities in Indonesia last week.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair is preparing for his meeting with President Bush next week. Topping the agenda, plans to lift Africa out of poverty and to talk about global warming. The prime minister is due to arrive in Washington on Monday.

OK, so you think you've got rhythm? You need to thank your mom. A new study suggests that gently bouncing a baby while singing will help to wire the baby's brain to hear rhythm. The findings appear in the journal "Science."

And speaking of babies, actress Denise Richards is the proud mom of a second daughter, a baby girl named Lola. The birth comes three months after Richards filed for divorce from her husband, Charlie Sheen. "People" magazine reports Sheen was in the delivery room. We report that mother and daughter are said to be doing just fine.

Congratulations to them.

HEMMER: Yes, congratulations.

Thank you, Valerie.

MORRIS: Sure.

HEMMER: From Laguna Beach, California, residents are returning home after this massive landslide on Wednesday. Two hundred and fifty of 350 homes have been declared safe and residents were allowed back there. But 26 homes are now being yellow tagged, which means there is still a threat to those particular homes. Twenty-two homes are red- tagged, which means they are destroyed.

Some scientists say the cause is almost certainly related to heavy winter storms.

And Pam Irvine is a senior engineer and geologist with the California Geological Survey.

She is up early with us.

And, Pam, good morning.

You were poking around yesterday.

What did you find...

PAM IRVINE, CALIFORNIA GEOLOGICAL SURVEY: Good morning, Bill.

HEMMER: What did you find in your own survey of the area?

IRVINE: Well, it's much as we might have suspected. It was similar to the 1978 Bluebird Canyon slide. And we got a good view of the general extent of the sliding. I was sent down here at the request of the city and county through the governor's office of emergency services and as one of the state's efforts to aid -- to give assistance to local communities during disasters.

And so I give my observations, make my observations and kind of summarize what I've seen and make recommendations.

HEMMER: Yes, the winter has been over for five, six months right now. And if it's true that all that wet weather back in the wintertime caused this landslide, why did it take until June before these hills started moving, Pam?

IRVINE: Well, this is quite typical following a heavy rain, rainfall. We typically see in California it takes a lot of time for the water, the rainfall to percolate down into the rock or mass. And then the groundwater, as it rises, it creates weight on the rocks and it also decreases the strength of the rocks and increases the likelihood of sliding.

HEMMER: Back in January, you remember the scene in La Conchita. We all watched that from here in New York City, too. Just -- here's the tape, in fact. Just devastating stuff coming down there in daylight.

Does this mean -- and somebody suggested this week with the Geological Survey -- that we're not out of the woods yet? That was a quote from just yesterday, I believe.

Does it mean more landslides are in the offing, Pam?

IRVINE: Yes. We can certainly expect more of these deep-seated -- they're slower moving than the landslide that occurred in La Conchita in January. But they still can be destructive. And the entire coastal California is susceptible to these types of landslides.

HEMMER: There are some residents out there, and the "L.A. Times" is writing about this possibility here, there is apparently a home that was built four years ago that's 5,500 square feet. They refer to it as the Sinatra house locally because they believe some of Sinatra's relatives lived in the home. It was unoccupied and had not sold.

Could a home of that size cause what happened on Wednesday, Pam?

IRVINE: Well, I have not seen any of the geotechnical reports of any of the homes in the Bluebird Canyon area, so I can't really comment on that, because I don't know how much soil was moved or what the -- how much grading was involved. Because of the heavy rains, that appears to be, according to most geologists, including me, at this point, that's the most likely trigger. If further investigation turns up other possibilities, other contributing factors. But by and large, the heavy rainfall is the likely culprit.

HEMMER: All right, Pam, thanks.

Interesting stuff.

Pam Irvine with the California Geological Survey.

Appreciate your time there.

Here's Carol.

IRVINE: Thank you, Bill.

COSTELLO: Watergate reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein admit they got scooped on their own story.

On CNN's "LARRY KING LIVE" Thursday night, Bernstein and Woodward described their involvement with Mark Felt and said they were surprised he went public with the Deep Throat secret.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM CNN'S "LARRY KING LIVE")

LARRY KING, HOST: In a sense, Carl, this became bigger by him breaking it than if he had died and you said it was him.

CARL BERNSTEIN, FORMER "WASHINGTON POST" REPORTER: If history -- I don't know, you're probably right...

KING: I mean this is huge... BERNSTEIN: I'm amazed at how you (INAUDIBLE) story...

KING: Are you? BERNSTEIN: Yes, I am. You know, you always tend to underestimate something when you're in the middle of it. And this has become...

KING: So, this is bigger than you thought it would be? BERNSTEIN: Yes, it really is. But also, as Bob says, the circumstances are different than we anticipated. And the importance to us over 30 years was, not just with Mark Felt and Deep Throat, but to protect all of our confidential sources who had said we cannot release them from the pledge of confidentiality.

KING: How did you hear?

BOB WOODWARD, THE "WASHINGTON POST": He was what we always called "the reluctant source," somebody who did not come to us, somebody who would not say this is everything that's going on, this is what the story is, these are documents. He would only guide us and steer us. And when we would find out something, he would confirm it. And there are many specifics in our book, "All the President's Men." But you see it was really shoe leather, knocking on doors, Carl going down, finding various people like the bookkeeper who said, you know, there's a secret fund. And then I could go to Mark Felt and say, OK, is that in the FBI files, what does it mean? And then we could talk to other sources, so we were on really solid ground when we were writing these stories.

KING: Did you know...

WOODWARD: He was critical, but all these other people were also.

This is a man who's 91 now, cared for lovingly by his family, by his daughter, Joan, who I got to know some over the years, who is interested in his welfare. She believed he was Deep Throat. But he is somebody who's -- I think this is a man, during Watergate and during the years since Watergate, was in turmoil, profound ambivalence about what he had done, whether he had broken the code within the FBI or whether he had done something that was absolutely necessary to explain that there was this massive law breaking and obstruction of justice going on, led by, as we now know from the tapes, the president himself.

So he found his duty, but never, I think, felt totally comfortable with it. BERNSTEIN: The country was served because here was a man who told the truth while the president of the United States and the Justice Department and the apparatus of the government was engaged in massive corruption and would not tell the truth about the most serious constitutional crimes in our history.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

COSTELLO: According to the White House transcripts, former President Nixon and his aides suspected Felt was the Watergate inside source, but determined he could not be prosecuted.

Tonight, Barbara Walters turns the tables on Larry King, though. She will interview him as part of CNN's 25th anniversary. That's tonight at 9:00 Eastern.

HEMMER: Kind of a cool twist, huh?

COSTELLO: Yes, it's a cool twist.

HEMMER: That was a great show last night, by the way, with Woodward and Bernstein. And even they admit, Carol, that they're still finding out answers to questions that they have today, because they don't feel as if they know the whole story. COSTELLO: I'm always wondering how Mark Felt is feeling about all of this now, I mean, because some people think that he did obstruct justice and that he is the villain in this case, and that's why it took him so many years to come out with, you know, his secret. And you wonder if it's hurting him or if he understands it.

HEMMER: Sure. I think mental capacity is a question. And Bob Woodward has referred to that this past week, about his own mental condition now. Age 91, a lot of people are very lucid at that age. Others show the effects of aging, too.

COSTELLO: Well, I'm sure he's got a book coming out, so we'll see.

HEMMER: We'll see.

COSTELLO: Let's head down to Atlanta now and check-in with Chad Myers -- good morning, Chad.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Good morning, Carol.

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HEMMER: In a moment here, a deformity that occurs in the headlines of otherwise healthy newborns.

ANGELA TONER, PAUL'S MOTHER: And he said did his hair look like that before or is it different? And then the next day I called the pediatrician and he said he needs to have a helmet, I think.

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HEMMER: Could following common advice from pediatricians cause misshapen heads? We're "Paging Dr. Gupta" on that.

COSTELLO: Also, "Gimme A Minute." Jeb Bush says the White House is not for him. But if his father gets his way, that could change.

HEMMER: Also, the stunning discovery in the home of a elderly couple. The National Guard found it and we'll tell you what they found in a moment, when we continue in a moment, right after this.

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HEMMER: Now 16 minutes past the hour.

Parents of newborns may notice an unusually flat spot on their baby's head.

And as Dr. Sanjay Gupta now reports, that's a condition that can be corrected.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Before little Paul Toner was old enough to wear his bicycle helmet, he donned a helmet of a different sort.

TONER: I said did his head look like that before or is it different? And then the next day I called the pediatrician and he said he needs to have a helmet, I think.

GUPTA: First, they noticed a small bump on Paul's forehead when he was three months old; first on the front, then on the back.

TONER: The back of his head was like sheered. It was flat. His head was resting on the pelvic bone, and it was from birth. And it just exaggerated as he slept on his back. And he would always go to the flat spot because it was comfortable.

GUPTA: It's called deformational plagiocephaly, a fancy term for a misshapen head, usually caused by infants' heads resting on the same spot. All the Toners were doing was following their pediatrician's instructions, to lie Paul on his back when he slept. It's a very common practice that the American Academy of Pediatrics started recommending in 1992 to decrease the incidence of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, or SIDS

DR. HENRY SPINELLI, CRANIOFACIAL SURGEON: Babies have enormous heads per unit volume and size compared to us. They're not able to get their head turned or lifted out of the pillow or out of the mattress, so they're probably suffocating in SIDS. And that's the theory behind it.

GUPTA: And the Academy's recommendations have worked. National SIDS rates have gone down by more than 40 percent. But positional head deformities went up, from one in 400 to one in 60.

For babies whose heads are misshapen from their sleeping position, the treatment is purely cosmetic. The greatest risk, if not corrected by 24 to 28 months, when the skull permanently fuses -- the child's head may look somewhat asymmetrical. After that point, changing the shape of the head generally requires an operation. If noticed early on, parents can often correct the problem by alternating the position of the child's head during sleep, which in most cases helps the head eventually round out to a more normal appearance. But the Toners were not willing to take the risk.

TONER: I think he would have been looked at differently and teased and that kind of thing. If your dentist told you you needed braces, you would. You wouldn't -- if you could afford it, you would. And that was it.

GUPTA: The Toners could afford it, but not everyone can. Paul had two different helmets over the course of his treatment to accommodate his growing head, each costing about $800. And they had to go back every three weeks to have the helmet adjusted.

As it stands now, some, but not all, insurance companies cover the costs of this kind of treatment. Now, at 4-and-a-half, Paul has no signs of his formerly flattened head and no recollection of his helmet-wearing days.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, New York.

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HEMMER: Thank you, Sanjay.

Doctors also recommending tummy time, making sure the baby spends plenty of time on his or her stomach, certainly during the waking hours -- Carol.

COSTELLO: And, Bill, there's another concern in the months after childbirth, postpartum depression. That's in the news since Tom Cruise criticized Brooke Shields for taking anti-depressants to treat her postpartum problems. We'll talk to a doctor about the best treatments.

That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

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COSTELLO: Let's check in now a Jack and the Question of the Day.

CAFFERTY: The British couple made it into the record books, Carol, this week. 105-year-old Percy Arrowsmith and his 100-year-old wife Florence celebrated their 80th wedding anniversary. He sleeps, she's talking. The secret to their success? Never go to sleep on an argument. They also say they always make sure to kiss and hold hands before retiring for the night.

The question is what's the secret to a successful marriage?

Stacey in Michigan writes: "As my mother told me, it's not 50-50 in a good relationship. Each partner should give 70 percent and expect only 30 percent in return. And then maybe everything will even out. Never stop trying to win over your mate."

Eric in Dallas writes: "One secret to a long marriage is not to run away to New Mexico before your wedding."

Mike in South Carolina: "There are two rules to a good marriage. Rule one, the wife is always right. Rule two, when the wife is wrong, refer back to rule number one and bite your tongue."

And Mike writes from North Carolina: "Marry an orphan."

COSTELLO: Ooh.

CAFFERTY: I like these. These are, this is good.

COSTELLO: Marry an orphan?

CAFFERTY: Well, you don't have the in-law problems that way.

COSTELLO: Oh.

HEMMER: There you go!

CAFFERTY: You know what I'm saying? That's -- marry an orphan.

HEMMER: I think that video is, I think that's the most charming video we've seen in a long time.

CAFFERTY: That's cute.

HEMMER: Just petting her head there, sitting on the couch talking away.

CAFFERTY: 105 and 100.

HEMMER: Wow!

CAFFERTY: Still getting it done. That's pretty cool.

COSTELLO: Yes.

CAFFERTY: Well, I mean, you know, the marriage thing.

HEMMER: Oh.

CAFFERTY: Isn't that sweet?

HEMMER: Oh. That is wonderful.

COSTELLO: Please read the next story now.

HEMMER: Why? I love watching them. One more time. One more time.

COSTELLO: Oh, come on.

CAFFERTY: This is, you know, play it again. This is better than a fish tank.

HEMMER: Yes.

CAFFERTY: It's very soothing. We're not going to see it again.

HEMMER: Stand by.

No, no, we've got this thing called a server.

CAFFERTY: Are they going to play it again?

HEMMER: It takes a while. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. There it is.

CAFFERTY: Look at that. How sweet are they?

HEMMER: Oh. Gee, he's just purring like a little dog.

CAFFERTY: Don't you wish you had somebody to rub your head like that?

HEMMER: I'm telling you. CAFFERTY: Absolutely.

HEMMER: Start shopping today.

COSTELLO: Oh, please read the next story now.

HEMMER: Thank you.

CAFFERTY: This is making Carol uncomfortable.

HEMMER: Yes, it is.

Dan Rather was talking with Larry King last night, his first prime time interview since leaving the anchor chair at CBS back in mid-March. He told CNN last night that while mistakes were made, he believes the whole story is still not known yet.

Here's Dan Rather.

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DAN RATHER, FORMER CBS NEWS ANCHOR: When people write about this story, they often say well, they dealt with fake documents or fraudulent documents. I'd just say gently that that's not known. That's not a fact. And if you're going to criticize us, and I think we should be criticized for some of the things we did and didn't do in reporting, then gently, I say, maybe you wouldn't want to say that. And the panel could not and did not conclude it.

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HEMMER: Dan Rather from last night.

Barbara Walters takes over for Larry later tonight.

She asks the questions, he gets the answers. Cool TV, 9:00 Eastern, 6:00 out on the West Coast; later tonight, prime time here on CNN.

In a moment, what are the chances of another Bush presidency? Is Jeb Bush ready to run for the White House? Thoughts from our "Gimme A Minute" panel coming up here in a moment, right after the break.

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