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Hillary Clinton's Tough Talk; Jackson Jury Resumes Deliberations
Aired June 07, 2005 - 08:30 ET
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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: A judge in Aruba could rule today on a case in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager. Police are treating the search for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway as a criminal investigation. A judge is being asked to determine if police can legally hold two possible suspects. It not is not clear what charges they would face.
Mark Hacking. Remember him? He admitted to shooting his wife Lori. He could spend the rest of his life in prison. A judge handed down the sentence of six years to life at a hearing on Monday, but a parole board will determine how long Hacking will ultimately serve. Hacking told the court is he is tormented every waking moment by what he did and he said he doesn't know to this day why he did it.
President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair will discuss African aid and global warming at the White House today. The president is expected to offer $674 million for famine relief in Africa. It's the first meeting for the two leaders since Blair was elected to a third term in office. CNN will have live coverage for you of that joint news conference. That will start around 4:45 Eastern.
And get this. Talk about confusion. I guess it's good news for couch potatoes, though. Six minutes of intense exercise per week may be all you need to stay fit.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: That's garbage.
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: I can do that. Six minutes a week?
COSTELLO: Six minutes a week. Current guidelines recommend 20 to 30 minutes of moderate exercise three to five times a week. But experts warn intense exercise may only be good for people who are already in good shape. So if you're not in good shape, six minutes a week is all you need.
O'BRIEN: Aw, that's great.
COSTELLO: The study appears in the "Journal of Applied Physiology."
O'BRIEN: That's the best news we've had all day.
COSTELLO: I'm with Bill. I think it's garbage.
HEMMER: Total bunk. O'BRIEN: I have six minutes a week to exercise. I could fit that in fine.
HEMMER: Carol can't report that story with a straight face.
O'BRIEN: I know.
COSTELLO: I can't -- it's like I could barely read it. Especially since I exercise so much and nothing happens.
O'BRIEN: I'm going to go for the six minutes. You watch. Thanks, Carol.
Well, New York senator Hillary Clinton has opened her re-election campaign with a slam at Republicans and the Bush administration.
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SEN. HILLARY CLINTON, (D) NEW YORK: There has never been an administration, I don't believe in our history, more intent upon consolidating and abusing power to further their own agenda than the current administration.
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O'BRIEN: CNN senior political analyst, Bill Schneider, in Washington in this morning. Hey, Bill, good morning. Nice to see you.
WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: Hi, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: Wow. What about a different tone here? I mean, if you consider that compared to just a couple of months ago, where she sounded very conciliatory, really moderate in her remarks.
SCHNEIDER: Yes, this sounds like a new new Hillary. You know, Howard Dean has been making tough remarks like this, and some Democrats, like Joe Biden and John Edwards, have been distancing themselves from Dean. It will be interesting to see if some of them try to distance themselves from this new tough talk line from Senator Clinton.
O'BRIEN: I mean, she really, basically, calls Republicans liars. I mean, here is a clip, here's a chunk.
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CLINTON: It is very hard to stop people who have never been acquainted with the truth. It is very hard (INAUDIBLE) that They must think about the country's future, not just their own partisan political advantage.
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O'BRIEN: Not exactly mincing words there.
SCHNEIDER: No.
O'BRIEN: This is all about strategy, obviously, so let's talk about that. I mean, is this, essentially, a clear sign she's running for the White House in 2008?
SCHNEIDER: Oh, look, she's got to be re-elected senator for New York for a second term first. New York is a very Democratic, fairly liberal state. Look, and the view of Democrats, they're very angry right now. And she's reflecting that. And Bush looks very vulnerable right now, so there's an opportunity here for Democrats.
And remember something else. If she does decide to run for president -- her husband made an interesting remark at the end of 2002, after the Democrats fared poorly in that midterm. He said strong and wrong beats weak and right. Which I think he would also argue is an analysis of what happened last year in the presidential election. In other words, you have to prove that you're strong before people are going to listen to you.
Well, Hillary Clinton, if she does decide to run for president, is going to have to demonstrate she's strong, she's tough, particularly because every president has to meet the test of commander-in-chief. And I think that's what she's trying to do.
O'BRIEN: OK. So if she's talking tough to prove she's strong, let's listen to what she said about the deficit.
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CLINTON: You know, the president has two principle financial priorities: the tax cuts for the wealthiest among us and funding the war in Iraq. And, of course, it's inconvenient -- it's another one of these inconvenient facts that he's the first president in history that took us to war and cut taxes at the same time.
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O'BRIEN: OK. She sounds strong. Is she wrong or right?
SCHNEIDER: Well, I think she's right. That point has been made. But Democrats have to do that very carefully, because when they say first president in history to raise taxes and go to war at the same -- rather to cut taxes and go to war at the same, Republicans say, a-ha, there's a Democrat who wants to raise your taxes. So Democrats feel very inhibited about making that critique.
She doesn't feel so inhibited, in part because there's a very sour mood in the United States right now. People are becoming anxious about what's happening in Iraq. They don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. They hear news of the insurgency day after day and they feel the economy is very sour. So I think this is a moment when it's safe for a Democrat to make that comment, that criticism.
O'BRIEN: For those who think that, in fact, Hillary Clinton will run for president in 2008 -- I know we're jumping ahead a little bit here -- what are her chances of winning, realistically? SCHNEIDER: Look, I've been in this business long enough to know that under the right circumstances, just about anybody can get elected. I've seen too many people who were called unelectable like Ronald Reagan or Jimmy Carter get elected. Sure, she could be elected. I mean, this would be the first time you have a serious woman nominee, if she wins the nomination.
There would be unusual hurdles. Her husband was president. How are people going to deal with that? What would his role be? But if people are fed up, if they're angry, if they're tired, if they really wanted change, I'm not going to say her chances are not good. The problem is a lot of Democrats believe she can't win and they've said so directly, outrightly. And she has to cope with that, as well.
O'BRIEN: I'm always worried when you start off by saying, I've been in the business too long. Bill Schneider, joining us from Washington, D.C. Bill, thanks.
SCHNEIDER: Sure.
O'BRIEN: Bill?
HEMMER: 36 minutes now past the hour.
In his first live interview since the Scott Peterson trial, defense attorney Mark Geragos spoke exclusively with CNN's Larry King. This was last night, Monday night, about why he took that case originally. Listen in.
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MARK GERAGOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: My role as a criminal defense lawyer, as all criminal defense lawyers, is to see that a client gets a fair trial. And that's -- what goes into that is that you must test the government's case or the people's case, whatever it is, at every possible turn. And I suppose sometimes it's an added bonus and sometimes it's a detriment, depending on whether or not you believe in the client's innocence. I mean, a lot of lawyers have said -- I think Edward Bennett Williams (ph), who is somebody you knew well...
LARRY KING, CNN ANCHOR: Very well.
GERAGOS: ... was quoted as saying a lot of times God save me from the innocent client. Because there is no greater pressure for a defense lawyer than somebody that you truly believe is innocent who you're defending.
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HEMMER: Scott Peterson was given the death penalty back in March for killing his wife Laci and their couple's unborn son. He is currently on death row at San Quentin State Prison in the state of California.
Also in California -- three hours from now, the jury in Michael Jackson's case resumes deliberations. That case began more than a year ago. It has turned out at times to include one show-stopping act after the next.
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HEMMER (voice-over): Day after day, adoring fans have waited for a glimpse and, hopefully, a wave as the pop star enters and leaves the courthouse. The trial began in February, but the show first came to town more than a year before. That's when Jackson showed up late for his arraignment, was scolded by the judge, and then jumped on top of his SUV, danced and saluted fans.
His antics then seemed to foreshadow the bizarre events that would follow during the trial. Not long after opening statements, Jackson showed up 90 minutes late wearing pajamas and slippers after apparently being treated at a local hospital for back problems. The judge threatened to revoke Jackson's $3 million bail, causing his attorney, Tom Mesereau, to have anxious moments outside the courthouse.
In all, the prosecution presented 91 witnesses but suffered a number of self-inflicted wounds. Some observers believe the accuser's mother was a big misfire, when she refused to answer some questions and was often evasive on the stand.
JIM MORET, LEGAL ANALYST: So much of what she said seemed so outrageous, so unbelievable.
HEMMER: And Jackson's ex-wife, Debbie Rowe. She was supposed to be one of the state's strongest witnesses, but many believe she simply backfired.
MICHAEL CARDOZA, LEGAL ANALYST: They put her on and it's like looking at a light at the end of the tunnel and that light is not the end of the tunnel, but it's a train coming right at the prosecution. That train was being driven by Debbie Rowe. She was devastating.
HEMMER: The defense throughout contend Jackson was the real victim and they offered up celebrity witnesses to drive that point home. Actor Macaulay Culkin called the allegations against his friend ridiculous. Jay Leno's turn on the stand seemed more beneficial for his "Tonight Show" than for the defense. And comedian Chris Tucker was the final witness, telling jurors he found the accuser cunning at times. But the man at the center of all of this, one of the most recognizable figures in the world, did not testify.
CRAIG SMITH, LEGAL ANALYST: Frankly, that's not surprising to me. Not calling Michael Jackson as a witness is the biggest no- brainer in the history of mankind.
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HEMMER: Jackson is charged with ten counts of felony. He maintains he is not guilty. As expected, watching the courthouse in Santa Maria once deliberations begin again in a few hours there -- Soledad. O'BRIEN: 20 minutes before the hour.
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HEMMER: Let's get a break here. In a moment, for years, parents have encouraged parents to drink their milk. But is that advice making them overweight? A look at new study out addressing that in a moment.
O'BRIEN: Plus, a child therapist ditches the office in favor of the great outdoors. We're "Paging Dr. Gupta" about therapy that's designed for Generation Y. That's up next on AMERICAN MORNING.
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O'BRIEN: Encouraging your kids to drink lots of milk might be making them fat. A study of more than 12,000 kids found that those who drank more than three glasses of milk every day than those who drank less. Surprisingly enough, skim milk is no better than whole milk. Researchers say that's because calories, not dairy fat, are what's causing the weight gain.
Some therapists are trying a new approach to helping their patients using the great outdoors to conquer serious emotional issues. We are "Paging Dr. Gupta" for more on this unique therapy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What about with the kids at school, when you're having difficulties with them, what do you do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing, really. Just ignore them.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This might look like a father and son rollerblading in the park at first glance, but it is an actually an outdoor therapy session hand crafted for Generation Y. Thirteen-year-old Alex was a patient of Dr. Erik Fisher, trying to get to the root of some anger issues. Alex's mother knew he had a serious rage issue when he threw a desk in his classroom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So let me ask you this, do you ever feel like you are just a piece of a tree?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And do you feel like people are picking the bark off you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when they pull the bark off, how do you feel?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mad. So what are you going to do when you feel like they're pick the bark off of you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Peel the bark off.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Peel their bark off.
GUPTA: Dr. Fisher is one of a growing number of therapists who takes his sessions outdoor, rollerblading, walking and throwing football with his patient. The theory is this, go ahead and allow patients to become distracted by their activities. This allows them to open up about problems they may have not otherwise discussed, and it may even speed up the healing process.
ERIK FISHER, PSYCHOLOGIST/AUTHOR: So it's a matter of, for me, it's stepping out of the box, knowing that we often, People often do therapy from these boxes, and this is the way we're taught, and I just see that there's so much more to life and to therapy and to what we're doing to help people grow that's not in our office, and it's not in our books. It's in our souls, and that's what I try to reach, is somebody's soul.
GUPTA: For Alex, it seems to be working. He says he's learned a lot of valuable coping skills while simply being outside with Dr. Fisher.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you do when you get angry now?
ALEX GLASS, DR. FISHER'S PATIENT: Wait until I get home and talk to my mom about it.
GUPTA: Alex's mom says she started seeing results in Alex as soon as they branched out from traditional therapy methods.
SHERI MUSSELMAN, ALEX'S MOTHER: The key is, I don't think Alex felt like he was going to therapy. So there wasn't the stigma of, hey, I've got to go to therapy. There's something wrong with me, because I'm going to a therapist. It wasn't like going to a therapist. So he felt OK with what was going on.
ALEX GLASS: Hopefully, you know...
FISHER: How old is he?
GLASS: Six.
FISHER: Really? Wow.
GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN reporting.
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O'BRIEN: Sanjay says that while this type of therapy is beneficial to lots of people, there are some things to consider. For example, confidentiality issues. What happens if you become emotional while you're taking a walk in public. You also have to consider whether you have access to a park or a quiet area to exercise -- Bill. HEMMER: Soledad, in a moment here, Jack's back with the file. How did John Kerry's grades stack up to the president's when they both were at Yale? We'll look at that going back 40 years next here on AMERICAN MORNING.
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HEMMER: All right, welcome back. Here's jack.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: New York City's bid to host the 2012 Olympics is in real trouble. Here to explain why is Andy Serwer. He's minding our business.
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Yes, I mean, I think this thing could be dead, don't you?
CAFFERTY: Yes. They gave a deadline. They said you got to tell us whether you're going to build a stadium by a certain date, and the city got to screwing around and didn't do it.
SERWER: Yes, and now the state's not going to fund it.
Let's talk about the markets, though, first of all, Jack, this morning.
Yesterday, an up day of sorts. Well, it is an up day. It was just a small up day for Wall Street, kind of light trading. One stock, though, moving to the upside in its inexorable March to $300, Google up $10 to $290. I crunched the math on those two founders, Larry Page and Sergei Brin. Now both each worth $11 billion, $11 billion these young men.
And a milestone achieved for this company yesterday as well, becoming now the most valuable media company in the world, surpassing our parent company Time-Warner.
Here's the tale of the tape. Let's look at this here. Time Warner founded in 1903. Google, well, a couple years ago. Then you look at revenues here. Time Warner has got a lot more, like 10 times more. Stock market value, though, Google just surpasses, you can see there. Now one thing that's different from back in the 1990s with these Internet companies is Google is actually going to make a lot of money. They're going to make a billion dollars this year.
CAFFERTY: Google stock price is how much?
SERWER: Two-hundred and ninety dollars.
CAFFERTY: And how much is Time Warner's stock price?
SERWER: Seventeen, it's just right there at 17. It's very consistent.
CAFFERTY: Do they do any television over there at Google?
O'BRIEN: They're thinking about it. CAFFERTY: They do any TV programs over there?
SERWER: Yes, I see where you're going with this.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
SERWER: Yes, and incidentally, by the way, Google is up $4 in premarket to almost $295. Maybe we'll get some cupcakes when it hits $300.
Let's talk about this stadium deal. As Jack indicated, this looks dead. Yesterday the public authorities control board of New York State decided not to give a $300 million grant to the city to build this giant stadium. Now, that means no NFL in Manhattan. It also means no Olympics in Manhattan, because they were bidding for the 2012...
CAFFERTY: Good. We have enough stuff in New York.
SERWER: You know, I agree with you completely.
People come here to see things other than the NFL. The football would be -- I mean, the Olympics would be a gridlock and security nightmare.
HEMMER: I couldn't disagree with you guys more.
SERWER: Really?
HEMMER: Bring the Games to New York City. What other city in the world represents the international flavor...
SERWER: But we don't need the Olympics for that, right?
O'BRIEN: I think it would be very cool to have the Olympics here, but I don't necessarily want a stadium, because it would kind of be in my backyard.
SERWER: I think for quality of life, a park would be better. I mean, a huge complex like that would be better for people who live here and for visitors.
CAFFERTY: I think some of the people that are in New York should leave. It's too crowded. It's just too crowded.
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CAFFERTY: That's right. They should go. France is the front- runner for this thing. It's a good place for the Olympics, by the Paris.
SERWER: They are, yes. Gay Paris.
CAFFERTY: Yes, let them have it in France, and we get some of the people who are already in New York, making this a very crowded city to go over there and work on the building of the stuff. HEMMER: Huge events come to this town, and you don't even blink, because you don't notice it because the influx of people.
O'BRIEN: I think you would notice the Olympics, but I think it would be very cool to have an Olympics.
SERWER: Well, you can go to Paris.
O'BRIEN: Well, it's not going to happen.
SERWER: No.
O'BRIEN: For now at least.
CAFFERTY: Time for the "Cafferty File." Apparently sex and violence are not all they're cracked up to be. A new survey shows G- rated movies make more money than PG, PG-13 and R-rated movies combined. A study done by the Dove Foundation, which is an outfit that promotes G-rated flicks, found that between 1989 and 1993, the average G-rated movie made $79 million profit. The average R-rated movie made less than $7 million. So for the time period, there were 12 times as many R-rated movies as G-rated movies on the big screen.
New York's famous red-tailed hawks, Pale Male and Lola, famous in part because of the attention they've received on this program, may soon be Hollywood moviestars. "Variety" magazine reports there is a movie deal in the works based loosely on a book by "Wall Street Journal" columnist Marie Wynn (ph) titled "Red Tails in Love." It's going to be a romance about a group of bird watchers in Central Park who become fascinated with the red-tailed hawks and each other. The climax of this film is when the evil upper eastside co-op owners decide to evict Pale Male and Lola. Although the hawks are eventually allowed to return to their co-op after much public outrage, they do lose their eggs that year.
SERWER: Ethan Hawke will play the lead.
CAFFERTY: Yes, Ethan Hawke. That's good.
O'BRIEN: Very good.
CAFFERTY: Finally this, Senator John Kerry's report card from Yale University is in. It's not much to brag about, and it's not much different from President Bush's either. Kerry's cumulative average for the four years, 76, which is really mediocre. President Bush had 77. Kerry got four D's his freshman year. He says he told his dad 'D' stood for distinction. He said no, dummy. Kerry grades did improve with time. By his senior year, he got his highest grade of his career there. He got an 89 in political scientists.
These are not rocket scientists that are trying to run this country, are they?
As for George W., his highest grade was an 88 in anthropology history and philosophy. Bush got one 'D' in his four years at Yale. He got a 69 in astronomy. Kerry declined to release his transcript during the presidential campaign. But according to "The Boston Globe," he did give permission to release the documents last month. The reason he didn't want it out during the campaign is because people like me would sit on national television and make fun what a bad student he was while he was at Yale University, and that would take away from his gravitas when it came to the issues.
SERWER: D's? He got D's?
O'BRIEN: Four.
HEMMER: For distinction.
SERWER: D's?
O'BRIEN: Distinction, that's right.
SERWER: You've got to work at that. You've got to work at a 'D.'
CAFFERTY: You know, there is a reason Hillary Clinton has a real chance of being elected in this country. It's not exactly a crowded field of great candidates.
SERWER: She probably sat in the front row and got a lot of A's.
CAFFERTY: How did she do in school?
SERWER: I don't know.
CAFFERTY: My hunch is she probably did very well.
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CAFFERTY: Except in everything except her social skills.
SERWER: There you go.
O'BRIEN: We're going to move on from that.
Jack, thank you very much.
In a moment, actress Peggy Lipton is going to join us. Her revealing new book exposes her internal struggle as she lived the wild life in Hollywood. She names names of her affairs with legends in the music business. That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: A judge in Aruba could rule today on a case in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager. Police are treating the search for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway as a criminal investigation. A judge is being asked to determine if police can legally hold two possible suspects. It not is not clear what charges they would face.
Mark Hacking. Remember him? He admitted to shooting his wife Lori. He could spend the rest of his life in prison. A judge handed down the sentence of six years to life at a hearing on Monday, but a parole board will determine how long Hacking will ultimately serve. Hacking told the court is he is tormented every waking moment by what he did and he said he doesn't know to this day why he did it.
President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair will discuss African aid and global warming at the White House today. The president is expected to offer $674 million for famine relief in Africa. It's the first meeting for the two leaders since Blair was elected to a third term in office. CNN will have live coverage for you of that joint news conference. That will start around 4:45 Eastern.
And get this. Talk about confusion. I guess it's good news for couch potatoes, though. Six minutes of intense exercise per week may be all you need to stay fit.
BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: That's garbage.
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: I can do that. Six minutes a week?
COSTELLO: Six minutes a week. Current guidelines recommend 20 to 30 minutes of moderate exercise three to five times a week. But experts warn intense exercise may only be good for people who are already in good shape. So if you're not in good shape, six minutes a week is all you need.
O'BRIEN: Aw, that's great.
COSTELLO: The study appears in the "Journal of Applied Physiology."
O'BRIEN: That's the best news we've had all day.
COSTELLO: I'm with Bill. I think it's garbage.
HEMMER: Total bunk. O'BRIEN: I have six minutes a week to exercise. I could fit that in fine.
HEMMER: Carol can't report that story with a straight face.
O'BRIEN: I know.
COSTELLO: I can't -- it's like I could barely read it. Especially since I exercise so much and nothing happens.
O'BRIEN: I'm going to go for the six minutes. You watch. Thanks, Carol.
Well, New York senator Hillary Clinton has opened her re-election campaign with a slam at Republicans and the Bush administration.
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SEN. HILLARY CLINTON, (D) NEW YORK: There has never been an administration, I don't believe in our history, more intent upon consolidating and abusing power to further their own agenda than the current administration.
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O'BRIEN: CNN senior political analyst, Bill Schneider, in Washington in this morning. Hey, Bill, good morning. Nice to see you.
WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: Hi, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: Wow. What about a different tone here? I mean, if you consider that compared to just a couple of months ago, where she sounded very conciliatory, really moderate in her remarks.
SCHNEIDER: Yes, this sounds like a new new Hillary. You know, Howard Dean has been making tough remarks like this, and some Democrats, like Joe Biden and John Edwards, have been distancing themselves from Dean. It will be interesting to see if some of them try to distance themselves from this new tough talk line from Senator Clinton.
O'BRIEN: I mean, she really, basically, calls Republicans liars. I mean, here is a clip, here's a chunk.
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CLINTON: It is very hard to stop people who have never been acquainted with the truth. It is very hard (INAUDIBLE) that They must think about the country's future, not just their own partisan political advantage.
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O'BRIEN: Not exactly mincing words there.
SCHNEIDER: No.
O'BRIEN: This is all about strategy, obviously, so let's talk about that. I mean, is this, essentially, a clear sign she's running for the White House in 2008?
SCHNEIDER: Oh, look, she's got to be re-elected senator for New York for a second term first. New York is a very Democratic, fairly liberal state. Look, and the view of Democrats, they're very angry right now. And she's reflecting that. And Bush looks very vulnerable right now, so there's an opportunity here for Democrats.
And remember something else. If she does decide to run for president -- her husband made an interesting remark at the end of 2002, after the Democrats fared poorly in that midterm. He said strong and wrong beats weak and right. Which I think he would also argue is an analysis of what happened last year in the presidential election. In other words, you have to prove that you're strong before people are going to listen to you.
Well, Hillary Clinton, if she does decide to run for president, is going to have to demonstrate she's strong, she's tough, particularly because every president has to meet the test of commander-in-chief. And I think that's what she's trying to do.
O'BRIEN: OK. So if she's talking tough to prove she's strong, let's listen to what she said about the deficit.
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CLINTON: You know, the president has two principle financial priorities: the tax cuts for the wealthiest among us and funding the war in Iraq. And, of course, it's inconvenient -- it's another one of these inconvenient facts that he's the first president in history that took us to war and cut taxes at the same time.
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O'BRIEN: OK. She sounds strong. Is she wrong or right?
SCHNEIDER: Well, I think she's right. That point has been made. But Democrats have to do that very carefully, because when they say first president in history to raise taxes and go to war at the same -- rather to cut taxes and go to war at the same, Republicans say, a-ha, there's a Democrat who wants to raise your taxes. So Democrats feel very inhibited about making that critique.
She doesn't feel so inhibited, in part because there's a very sour mood in the United States right now. People are becoming anxious about what's happening in Iraq. They don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. They hear news of the insurgency day after day and they feel the economy is very sour. So I think this is a moment when it's safe for a Democrat to make that comment, that criticism.
O'BRIEN: For those who think that, in fact, Hillary Clinton will run for president in 2008 -- I know we're jumping ahead a little bit here -- what are her chances of winning, realistically? SCHNEIDER: Look, I've been in this business long enough to know that under the right circumstances, just about anybody can get elected. I've seen too many people who were called unelectable like Ronald Reagan or Jimmy Carter get elected. Sure, she could be elected. I mean, this would be the first time you have a serious woman nominee, if she wins the nomination.
There would be unusual hurdles. Her husband was president. How are people going to deal with that? What would his role be? But if people are fed up, if they're angry, if they're tired, if they really wanted change, I'm not going to say her chances are not good. The problem is a lot of Democrats believe she can't win and they've said so directly, outrightly. And she has to cope with that, as well.
O'BRIEN: I'm always worried when you start off by saying, I've been in the business too long. Bill Schneider, joining us from Washington, D.C. Bill, thanks.
SCHNEIDER: Sure.
O'BRIEN: Bill?
HEMMER: 36 minutes now past the hour.
In his first live interview since the Scott Peterson trial, defense attorney Mark Geragos spoke exclusively with CNN's Larry King. This was last night, Monday night, about why he took that case originally. Listen in.
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MARK GERAGOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: My role as a criminal defense lawyer, as all criminal defense lawyers, is to see that a client gets a fair trial. And that's -- what goes into that is that you must test the government's case or the people's case, whatever it is, at every possible turn. And I suppose sometimes it's an added bonus and sometimes it's a detriment, depending on whether or not you believe in the client's innocence. I mean, a lot of lawyers have said -- I think Edward Bennett Williams (ph), who is somebody you knew well...
LARRY KING, CNN ANCHOR: Very well.
GERAGOS: ... was quoted as saying a lot of times God save me from the innocent client. Because there is no greater pressure for a defense lawyer than somebody that you truly believe is innocent who you're defending.
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HEMMER: Scott Peterson was given the death penalty back in March for killing his wife Laci and their couple's unborn son. He is currently on death row at San Quentin State Prison in the state of California.
Also in California -- three hours from now, the jury in Michael Jackson's case resumes deliberations. That case began more than a year ago. It has turned out at times to include one show-stopping act after the next.
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HEMMER (voice-over): Day after day, adoring fans have waited for a glimpse and, hopefully, a wave as the pop star enters and leaves the courthouse. The trial began in February, but the show first came to town more than a year before. That's when Jackson showed up late for his arraignment, was scolded by the judge, and then jumped on top of his SUV, danced and saluted fans.
His antics then seemed to foreshadow the bizarre events that would follow during the trial. Not long after opening statements, Jackson showed up 90 minutes late wearing pajamas and slippers after apparently being treated at a local hospital for back problems. The judge threatened to revoke Jackson's $3 million bail, causing his attorney, Tom Mesereau, to have anxious moments outside the courthouse.
In all, the prosecution presented 91 witnesses but suffered a number of self-inflicted wounds. Some observers believe the accuser's mother was a big misfire, when she refused to answer some questions and was often evasive on the stand.
JIM MORET, LEGAL ANALYST: So much of what she said seemed so outrageous, so unbelievable.
HEMMER: And Jackson's ex-wife, Debbie Rowe. She was supposed to be one of the state's strongest witnesses, but many believe she simply backfired.
MICHAEL CARDOZA, LEGAL ANALYST: They put her on and it's like looking at a light at the end of the tunnel and that light is not the end of the tunnel, but it's a train coming right at the prosecution. That train was being driven by Debbie Rowe. She was devastating.
HEMMER: The defense throughout contend Jackson was the real victim and they offered up celebrity witnesses to drive that point home. Actor Macaulay Culkin called the allegations against his friend ridiculous. Jay Leno's turn on the stand seemed more beneficial for his "Tonight Show" than for the defense. And comedian Chris Tucker was the final witness, telling jurors he found the accuser cunning at times. But the man at the center of all of this, one of the most recognizable figures in the world, did not testify.
CRAIG SMITH, LEGAL ANALYST: Frankly, that's not surprising to me. Not calling Michael Jackson as a witness is the biggest no- brainer in the history of mankind.
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HEMMER: Jackson is charged with ten counts of felony. He maintains he is not guilty. As expected, watching the courthouse in Santa Maria once deliberations begin again in a few hours there -- Soledad. O'BRIEN: 20 minutes before the hour.
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HEMMER: Let's get a break here. In a moment, for years, parents have encouraged parents to drink their milk. But is that advice making them overweight? A look at new study out addressing that in a moment.
O'BRIEN: Plus, a child therapist ditches the office in favor of the great outdoors. We're "Paging Dr. Gupta" about therapy that's designed for Generation Y. That's up next on AMERICAN MORNING.
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O'BRIEN: Encouraging your kids to drink lots of milk might be making them fat. A study of more than 12,000 kids found that those who drank more than three glasses of milk every day than those who drank less. Surprisingly enough, skim milk is no better than whole milk. Researchers say that's because calories, not dairy fat, are what's causing the weight gain.
Some therapists are trying a new approach to helping their patients using the great outdoors to conquer serious emotional issues. We are "Paging Dr. Gupta" for more on this unique therapy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What about with the kids at school, when you're having difficulties with them, what do you do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing, really. Just ignore them.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This might look like a father and son rollerblading in the park at first glance, but it is an actually an outdoor therapy session hand crafted for Generation Y. Thirteen-year-old Alex was a patient of Dr. Erik Fisher, trying to get to the root of some anger issues. Alex's mother knew he had a serious rage issue when he threw a desk in his classroom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So let me ask you this, do you ever feel like you are just a piece of a tree?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And do you feel like people are picking the bark off you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when they pull the bark off, how do you feel?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mad. So what are you going to do when you feel like they're pick the bark off of you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Peel the bark off.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Peel their bark off.
GUPTA: Dr. Fisher is one of a growing number of therapists who takes his sessions outdoor, rollerblading, walking and throwing football with his patient. The theory is this, go ahead and allow patients to become distracted by their activities. This allows them to open up about problems they may have not otherwise discussed, and it may even speed up the healing process.
ERIK FISHER, PSYCHOLOGIST/AUTHOR: So it's a matter of, for me, it's stepping out of the box, knowing that we often, People often do therapy from these boxes, and this is the way we're taught, and I just see that there's so much more to life and to therapy and to what we're doing to help people grow that's not in our office, and it's not in our books. It's in our souls, and that's what I try to reach, is somebody's soul.
GUPTA: For Alex, it seems to be working. He says he's learned a lot of valuable coping skills while simply being outside with Dr. Fisher.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you do when you get angry now?
ALEX GLASS, DR. FISHER'S PATIENT: Wait until I get home and talk to my mom about it.
GUPTA: Alex's mom says she started seeing results in Alex as soon as they branched out from traditional therapy methods.
SHERI MUSSELMAN, ALEX'S MOTHER: The key is, I don't think Alex felt like he was going to therapy. So there wasn't the stigma of, hey, I've got to go to therapy. There's something wrong with me, because I'm going to a therapist. It wasn't like going to a therapist. So he felt OK with what was going on.
ALEX GLASS: Hopefully, you know...
FISHER: How old is he?
GLASS: Six.
FISHER: Really? Wow.
GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN reporting.
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O'BRIEN: Sanjay says that while this type of therapy is beneficial to lots of people, there are some things to consider. For example, confidentiality issues. What happens if you become emotional while you're taking a walk in public. You also have to consider whether you have access to a park or a quiet area to exercise -- Bill. HEMMER: Soledad, in a moment here, Jack's back with the file. How did John Kerry's grades stack up to the president's when they both were at Yale? We'll look at that going back 40 years next here on AMERICAN MORNING.
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HEMMER: All right, welcome back. Here's jack.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: New York City's bid to host the 2012 Olympics is in real trouble. Here to explain why is Andy Serwer. He's minding our business.
ANDY SERWER, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: Yes, I mean, I think this thing could be dead, don't you?
CAFFERTY: Yes. They gave a deadline. They said you got to tell us whether you're going to build a stadium by a certain date, and the city got to screwing around and didn't do it.
SERWER: Yes, and now the state's not going to fund it.
Let's talk about the markets, though, first of all, Jack, this morning.
Yesterday, an up day of sorts. Well, it is an up day. It was just a small up day for Wall Street, kind of light trading. One stock, though, moving to the upside in its inexorable March to $300, Google up $10 to $290. I crunched the math on those two founders, Larry Page and Sergei Brin. Now both each worth $11 billion, $11 billion these young men.
And a milestone achieved for this company yesterday as well, becoming now the most valuable media company in the world, surpassing our parent company Time-Warner.
Here's the tale of the tape. Let's look at this here. Time Warner founded in 1903. Google, well, a couple years ago. Then you look at revenues here. Time Warner has got a lot more, like 10 times more. Stock market value, though, Google just surpasses, you can see there. Now one thing that's different from back in the 1990s with these Internet companies is Google is actually going to make a lot of money. They're going to make a billion dollars this year.
CAFFERTY: Google stock price is how much?
SERWER: Two-hundred and ninety dollars.
CAFFERTY: And how much is Time Warner's stock price?
SERWER: Seventeen, it's just right there at 17. It's very consistent.
CAFFERTY: Do they do any television over there at Google?
O'BRIEN: They're thinking about it. CAFFERTY: They do any TV programs over there?
SERWER: Yes, I see where you're going with this.
CAFFERTY: Yes.
SERWER: Yes, and incidentally, by the way, Google is up $4 in premarket to almost $295. Maybe we'll get some cupcakes when it hits $300.
Let's talk about this stadium deal. As Jack indicated, this looks dead. Yesterday the public authorities control board of New York State decided not to give a $300 million grant to the city to build this giant stadium. Now, that means no NFL in Manhattan. It also means no Olympics in Manhattan, because they were bidding for the 2012...
CAFFERTY: Good. We have enough stuff in New York.
SERWER: You know, I agree with you completely.
People come here to see things other than the NFL. The football would be -- I mean, the Olympics would be a gridlock and security nightmare.
HEMMER: I couldn't disagree with you guys more.
SERWER: Really?
HEMMER: Bring the Games to New York City. What other city in the world represents the international flavor...
SERWER: But we don't need the Olympics for that, right?
O'BRIEN: I think it would be very cool to have the Olympics here, but I don't necessarily want a stadium, because it would kind of be in my backyard.
SERWER: I think for quality of life, a park would be better. I mean, a huge complex like that would be better for people who live here and for visitors.
CAFFERTY: I think some of the people that are in New York should leave. It's too crowded. It's just too crowded.
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CAFFERTY: That's right. They should go. France is the front- runner for this thing. It's a good place for the Olympics, by the Paris.
SERWER: They are, yes. Gay Paris.
CAFFERTY: Yes, let them have it in France, and we get some of the people who are already in New York, making this a very crowded city to go over there and work on the building of the stuff. HEMMER: Huge events come to this town, and you don't even blink, because you don't notice it because the influx of people.
O'BRIEN: I think you would notice the Olympics, but I think it would be very cool to have an Olympics.
SERWER: Well, you can go to Paris.
O'BRIEN: Well, it's not going to happen.
SERWER: No.
O'BRIEN: For now at least.
CAFFERTY: Time for the "Cafferty File." Apparently sex and violence are not all they're cracked up to be. A new survey shows G- rated movies make more money than PG, PG-13 and R-rated movies combined. A study done by the Dove Foundation, which is an outfit that promotes G-rated flicks, found that between 1989 and 1993, the average G-rated movie made $79 million profit. The average R-rated movie made less than $7 million. So for the time period, there were 12 times as many R-rated movies as G-rated movies on the big screen.
New York's famous red-tailed hawks, Pale Male and Lola, famous in part because of the attention they've received on this program, may soon be Hollywood moviestars. "Variety" magazine reports there is a movie deal in the works based loosely on a book by "Wall Street Journal" columnist Marie Wynn (ph) titled "Red Tails in Love." It's going to be a romance about a group of bird watchers in Central Park who become fascinated with the red-tailed hawks and each other. The climax of this film is when the evil upper eastside co-op owners decide to evict Pale Male and Lola. Although the hawks are eventually allowed to return to their co-op after much public outrage, they do lose their eggs that year.
SERWER: Ethan Hawke will play the lead.
CAFFERTY: Yes, Ethan Hawke. That's good.
O'BRIEN: Very good.
CAFFERTY: Finally this, Senator John Kerry's report card from Yale University is in. It's not much to brag about, and it's not much different from President Bush's either. Kerry's cumulative average for the four years, 76, which is really mediocre. President Bush had 77. Kerry got four D's his freshman year. He says he told his dad 'D' stood for distinction. He said no, dummy. Kerry grades did improve with time. By his senior year, he got his highest grade of his career there. He got an 89 in political scientists.
These are not rocket scientists that are trying to run this country, are they?
As for George W., his highest grade was an 88 in anthropology history and philosophy. Bush got one 'D' in his four years at Yale. He got a 69 in astronomy. Kerry declined to release his transcript during the presidential campaign. But according to "The Boston Globe," he did give permission to release the documents last month. The reason he didn't want it out during the campaign is because people like me would sit on national television and make fun what a bad student he was while he was at Yale University, and that would take away from his gravitas when it came to the issues.
SERWER: D's? He got D's?
O'BRIEN: Four.
HEMMER: For distinction.
SERWER: D's?
O'BRIEN: Distinction, that's right.
SERWER: You've got to work at that. You've got to work at a 'D.'
CAFFERTY: You know, there is a reason Hillary Clinton has a real chance of being elected in this country. It's not exactly a crowded field of great candidates.
SERWER: She probably sat in the front row and got a lot of A's.
CAFFERTY: How did she do in school?
SERWER: I don't know.
CAFFERTY: My hunch is she probably did very well.
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CAFFERTY: Except in everything except her social skills.
SERWER: There you go.
O'BRIEN: We're going to move on from that.
Jack, thank you very much.
In a moment, actress Peggy Lipton is going to join us. Her revealing new book exposes her internal struggle as she lived the wild life in Hollywood. She names names of her affairs with legends in the music business. That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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