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Aired June 12, 2005 - 18:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: New details tonight about interrogation tactics at the prison at Guantanamo Bay, a report from secret documents the media and others were never supposed to see.
Also...

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HOWARD DEAN, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And then we're going to Washington D.C. to take back the White House. Yeah!

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LIN: Well, there was more sounding off from Howard Dean. Our Carlos Watson has a fresh take on what Dean has to mean to the Democrats. And whether his hard talk really has to become the party line.

It is June 12. And you're watching CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

Good evening from the CNN center in Atlanta. I'm Carol Lin. Our top story in just a moment, but first these are the stories making news right now.

A bomb on the tracks derailed a Russian passenger train 90 miles outside of Moscow today. The explosion knocked six cars off the tracks, injuring 15 people. The train was bound for Moscow from the Chechen capital of Grozny.

A rare wave of terror bombings in Iran today, the majority of them targeting the capital of an oil rich province near the border with Iraq-Iran border. At least nine people are dead, nearly 80 others were wounded.

And back in this country; every penny helps. Gas prices dipped more than a penny in the past three weeks. The national average price for self-serve regular gas is now $2.13 a gallon.

In the meantime, our top story -- they are described as some of the worst of the worst in the war on terror: 540 men under lock and key at the Guantanamo Bay prison, most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks. Well, tonight, their fate is the focus of a heated and increasingly political debate. And fueling the fire, a new report that offers an inside glimpse at the techniques investigators use to get the detainees to talk. CNN congressional correspondent Joe Johns is at the White House with more details. Joe, what have you learned.

JOE JOHNS, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Carol. Guantanamo Bay and its the 540 detainees are attracting more and more unwanted attention on Capitol Hill.

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JOHNS (voice-over): Spotlight on the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay where government designated enemy combatants are taken and interrogated. The question: should the place be closed? Even some congressional Republicans are starting to wonder.

SEN. CHUCK HAGEL, (R) NEBRASKA: This can't be a situation where we hold them forever and ever and ever and die of old age. What are our plans here?

JOHNS: Republican senator Mel Martinez of Florida asked over the weekend whether the political cross of the camp starting to outweigh the benefits. But the view of many of many controlling the Congress is that a prisoner at Gitmo gets pretty good treatment.

REP. DUNCAN HUNTER, (R) CALIFORNIA: We're going to serve him rice pilaf. We're going to serve him oven fried chicken. We're going to serve him three types of fruit and pita bread. And he's going to top that all off with a glass of tea.

JOHNS: Among the detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Mohammed al- Kahtani, a 20th suspected hijacker who never made it to the plan on September 11. A new report in "Time" magazine citing a secret diary says the government used stress strategies on him like standing for prolonged periods, isolation for as long as 30 days, removal of clothing, forced shaving of facial hair, playing on individual phobias such as dogs. Interrogation techniques that are not new and some say not over the line.

REP. PETER KING, (R) NEW YORK: Quite frankly, if it is going to save American lives, just by shaving someone's hair or by holding them in isolation, I think we have to keep this in context and not be so quick to criticize the military.

JOHNS: A Pentagon statement said Guantanamo provides valuable intelligence information. And said al-Kahtani's interrogation was guided by a very detailed plan and conducted by trained professionals. The administration has been clear on its views of the Guantanamo detainees.

SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: They are enemy combatants for a reason, because they seek to do harm to the American people.

JOHNS: But the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee calls Guantanamo a legal black hole.

SEN. PATRICK LEAHY, (D) VERMONT: I think Guantanamo Bay has become a black eye for the United States. We have people there held under dubious reasons. We won't -- we're unwilling to follow even our own rules in holding them. We a ought to either charge these people or release them.

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JOHNS: Problem is, many Republicans say there's no clear alternative to Guantanamo right now. And if that's true, they say, there's no sense to talking right now about shutting it down.

Carol, back to you.

LIN: Joe, thank you very much.

Now, obviously CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security. So stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.

In the meantime, Philadelphia is official is calling it a tragedy for the entire city -- five children died in a fire that raced through this row house this morning. Two adults are in critical condition. A fire marshal is investigating whether the children could not escape, because of security bars installed on some of the home's windows. Neighbors say the house was a death trap.

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IRENE WEAL, NEIGHBOR: I saw the flames coming out of the front door and stuff. And him and her jumping out the windows. But I didn't see no children. They was in a back room all of them.

DENISE FLYNN, PHILADELPHIA POLICE: We pulled up with Engine 25. The flames were shooting out the front door, the down stairs. The mother's screaming my babies are inside. My babies are inside.

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LIN: That's got to be so hard.

Two of the children were pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital. The other three soon died after.

Well, dozens of aftershocks are rolling across Southern California after a moderate earthquake. A 5.6 magnitude quake struck 20 miles south of Palm Springs this morning and was felt as far west as downtown Los Angeles, that's about a two-hour drive away. The quake caused just a few jittery moments as we see in this surveillance tape of a store in Palm Desert. But we have no reports of injuries or damage which is good news, indeed.

Now, they're dealing with quite a different kind of mess today in western Wisconsin. Yesterday, a twister damaged two dozen homes near Hammond. That's about 35 miles east of Saint Paul, Minnesota. Mari Glover with CNN affiliate KMSP talked to a daring amateur photographer who caught the tornado on tape.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looking kind of scary. MARI GLOVER, KMSP CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When the sirens went off over Hammond, Wisconsin, Matt Ries grabbed his video camera and ran outside.

MATT RIES, VIDEOTAPED TORNADO: I was shaking pretty bad holding the camera. You know, the way it was moving, I didn't know which way it was headed really at first. And a couple of times I had to start heading towards the house, but I kept it rolling.

GLOVER: This is what he saw, a tornado touching down less than a mile away. Those tiny black dots swirling around the base of the tornado, that's debris from Ries' neighbors directly to the south.

PHILLIP MEIER, HAMMOND RESIDENT: The roof is gone, just gone. And the garage, gone. A lot of stuff gone. A bean field back there.

GLOVER: The tornado left a path of destruction roughly two miles long, damaging or destroying nearly 30 homes in the Meadows subdivision on the west side of town.

PAM BRION, HAMMOND RESIDENT: I actually spotted it really before it came across. And as I saw it coming, literally. So that's what saved me and I got out of that room before it struck otherwise I probably would have been hurt.

GLOVER: Pam Brion had to hide in her bathtub while she waited for the storm to blow over.

BRION: Yes, I was scared. I was on the phone kind of screaming bloody murder. But I'm much luckier than my neighbors, so I guess I can't complain. They lost more than I did.

GLOVER: The winds so powerful they ripped the roofs off of homes and snapped dozens of mature trees in half. In all, the tornado left two dozen families temporarily homeless. But town officials say amazingly no one was hurt.

MONICA FRERICHS, HAMMOND RESIDENT: I'm glad that we're fine. But it's emotionally very -- it is pretty stressful.

RIES: Turning ahead towards Baldwin now a little bit -- kind of north...

GLOVER: Even though the tornado missed Matt Ries' house, he hopes the storm clouds over Hammond are gone, at least for awhile.

RIES: I don't want to see it again.

GLOVER: Once is enough?

RIES: Yeah. I don't need my house wrecked.

Have you seen anything like that?

(END VIDEOTAPE) LIN: Wow. And there was also some violent weather in other parts of the country. Remnants of Arlene soaking parts of the nation today. The once tropical storm caused only minor damage in parts of Florida and Alabama when it slammed ashore yesterday. The storm canceled flights and knocked out power to thousands of people, but most of that has been restored. It is still producing thunderstorms, though, from western Tennessee all the way to Ohio today.

And on the island of Aruba, a desperate search. Test results are back on the evidence collected in the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. CNN's Karl Penhaul is following the developments from Palm Beach, Aruba.

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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Law enforcement sources close to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have told CNN that a sample resembling blood taken from one of the cars of the suspects confiscated on Thursday was sent to an FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia for analysis. Those sources also told CNN that the sample has proved negative. It wasn't blood as first suspected.

On Saturday, a judge ordered three suspects detained on Thursday to be held in custody for a further eight days while police and prosecutors gather more evidence to find out clues about the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway and what happened to her. Those three suspects are the three young men last seen in Natalee Holloway's company on May 30, the day she disappeared two weeks ago now. Defense lawyers for the three had this to say.

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY: My client states -- keeps on saying that he is not guilty. And, he hasn't -- he is not the one that I've been reading in the press that has confessed. Up to now that I know, nobody has.

PENHAUL: Despite the searches, despite all the interrogations, though, there's still no clue as to whereabouts of Natalee Holloway or her possible remains. And this week, the police and prosecutors will continue those interrogations of a total of five suspects now and continue to hunt for evidence as to what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Karl Penhaul, CNN, Palm Beach, Aruba.

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LIN: Later tonight, I'm going to be interviewing the spokesman for the Aruban government. He's going to talk about where the investigation stands and a status of the five men jailed in the case. So that is tonight, CNN SUNDAY NIGHT at 10:00 Eastern.

Howard Dean, he is fighting Republicans and many members of his own party. But is Howard Dean's tell it like it is style exactly what the Democrats need? CNN political analyst Carlos Watson has a "Fresh Take" on this. In the meantime, the death of Jesus Christ -- Christians say he was crucified, but how exactly did he die? Well, there's a new theory. And it's challenging popular belief.

And later, looking for the fountain of youth -- you might find it in the refrigerator. Grab a long neck, pop a top. Stay tuned, because it may be the last beer you drink depending on what these doctors have to say.

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LIN: Howard Dean is still a man very much in the fight to stay Democratic Party Chairman and fend off critics in his own party. Now, in the staid world of politics, saying something like this doesn't win you many points.

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DEAN: The Republicans are not very friendly to different types of people. I mean, they're a pretty monolithic party. They're pretty much -- they all behave the same and they all look the same. And they all, you know, it's pretty much the white, Christian party.

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LIN: OK. Now, this is what he told his own national party's executive committee this weekend.

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DEAN: People want us to fight. We are here to fight.

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LIN: There you go. Democratic leaders came out swinging against Dean last week. And he may be down at the bottom of the ninth, but so was Bobby Thompson back in 1951 when his home run won the Giants the pennant.

We always get a "Fresh Take" from Carlos Watson, CNN's political analyst. You gave us that baseball story, in fact, because you have a baseball story of your own when it comes to Howard Dean.

CARLOS WATSON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I do. Not quite Bobby Thompson, but I was recently at a Major League Baseball game with several members of Congress -- several Democratic members of Congress -- and what stood out talking privately, it was clear that they share as much frustration as maybe Howard Dean.

In other words, they don't control the Senate. They don't control the House. They don't control the White House, or the supreme court. The situation from a Democratic perspective maybe as bad as its been in 50 years. And in some ways, they sometimes want a Howard Dean who can be a little bit of a lightning rod. In fact, in some cases you can argue he sets the lead and they ultimately follow.

Carol, in fact, listen to what Howard Dean had to say in December of 2003 as an example of where he sometimes leads the party.

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DEAN: The capture of Saddam is a good thing, which I hope keeps the soldiers in Iraq and around the world safer. But the capture of Saddam has not made America safer.

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WATSON: Now, you remember that right after that, Carol, he was criticized heavily by quote unquote Washington Democrats, including John Kerry. But then listen to what Kerry had to say just a couple months later after criticizing Dean for making that point about not being safer.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY, (D-MA) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure.

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WATSON: You know, Carol, many ways Howard Dean is to Democrats what New York is to fashion. Meaning, he's often kind of six months ahead of where they ultimately end up.

Now sometimes you go, that's fashion and rather not see walking down the street. But other time, you say, you know what, maybe leg warmers are a fashion statement, maybe that does make sense. So, whether it's on that issue or confederate flags. And later on John Edwards shows up saying, essentially something very similar, which is we need to go after the south. Howard Dean is often kind of the lead dog.

LIN: OK. So, you're saying he can be useful to the party. So, what does a party do with a man that they don't know how to channel? I mean, if the Democrats had a Karl Rove, what would that Karl Rove tell the party to do with this man?

WATSON: You would channel your political provacateur. You would send him into states where they're open Senate seats this upcoming year like Minnesota, like Maryland, like Tennessee. And where the actual candidate herself or himself may not be able to change the topic to healthcare or to national security. You let Howard Dean throw out the explosive statement either about an issue or about a candidate. And that way, you might actually start to get a foothold. You know, good cop/bad cop. Let Howard Dean be your bad cop more often than not.

LIN: Make a statement. Be memorable.

WATSON: Without a doubt.

And you know what's so interesting that is that Republicans already do it. In fact, Republicans have a whole chorus, if you will of political provacateurs. They're are in the media, whether it's Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly or others and the reality is with the exception of Michael Moore who shows up with a movie every two or three years, Democrats don't really have that political provacateur to move the needle and ultimately reshape debate. So there's a role for Howard Dean if he's managed and used properly.

LIN: All right. Managed and used properly, because, you know, if we're talking about -- go ahead.

WATSON: Well, you know what, Carol I want the directors to pull up a screen, if you will, of a guy filled with tattoos. And you're going to wonder why I'm asking them to do this.

LIN: Yes. Dennis Rodman?

WATSON: Dennis Rodman, you remember him. The old basketball star. Now, Dennis Rodman with his multicolored hair and his sometimes wild antics, put on the wrong team could be a detriment and the team could go nowhere -- his time with the Los Angeles Lakers. But produced properly, and choreographed well, and put with the right players, Michael Jordan and the right coach, Bill Jackson, he can help you win two or three championships.

I think of Howard Dean similarly to the extent of Democrats used him to be a lead dog, whether on the healthcare issue, whether it's on the upcoming Supreme Court fight, whether it's frankly on some of the bills that is have passed the Democrats think are still problematic -- around tax cuts, et cetera, I think he actually could be of help. But Democrats have to work with him and choreograph the message with him.

LIN: All right. Howard Dean scream in a different way these days. We'll see what happens. Thanks very much, Carlos.

WATSON: Good to see you.

LIN: A fresh take as always.

All right. So, what's it like to be inside the mafia. Coming up, a former undercover FBI agent shows and tells about the cutthroat deals, the vicious rivalries and the brutal assassinations -- he saw it all.

And religious history is being challenged. Did a loss of blood cause Jesus' death on the cross, a new theory emerges.

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LIN: News in our world wrap tonight. A festive display as Filipinos mark their independence day in Manila. But the celebrations are clouded by tension over recent election results. Some accuse the Philippines's president of cheating and election fraud, allegations she denies.

Casting ballots in Lebanon again -- it is the third round of voting for the general election and taking place region by region. And is expected to wrap up on June 19. Early results show anti-Syrian candidates lost ground this weekend. A former ally who broke ranks enlisting pro-Syrian aid for his candidacy is leading the polls. Final results are expected tomorrow.

Thousands celebrating in Tel Aviv this weekend in Israel's annual gay pride parade. Nearly 100,000 people were expected to join in gay pride events that began Friday.

A show of military force in one troubled region of Iraq. But has it paid off? And freedom for a woman held hostage for five months. Those stories straight ahead.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's been in my blood for a very long time. And it's tradition. And I just want to be patriotic.

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LIN: Recruiting future soldiers, it is not easy for the U.S. Army but it is not all bad, either. A look at where recruiting is most effective.

And what's the secret to being young and healthy? You are going to go nuts when you find out the secrets to living longer. Straight ahead on CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

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LIN: Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross. Few religious historians dispute that, but an Israeli professor is challenging the popular conception that he died from blood loss during his crucifixion. That story from CNN's Guy Raz.

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GUY RAZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): 17 hours in economy class may be torturous for some, even deadly for a few. Scientists have linked restricted movement on long haul flights to deep vein thrombosis, a blood clot that travels from the legs to the lungs. But what does it have to do with Jesus? Israeli scientist Benjamin Brenner says deep vein thrombosis is probably the cause of Jesus' death on the cross.

BENJAMIN BRENNER, RAMBAM MEDICAL CENTER: The real cause was probably a formation of blood clots in the legs which then embolized into the lungs.

RAZ: Brenner makes the case in an article in the "Journal of Thrombosis." For thousands of years, it was thought Jesus died of massive blood loss from the crucifixion, but Brenner says all the conditions were there for him to have met a far more painful death.

BRENNER: The dehydration, multiple trauma -- nailing like, you know, orthopedic surgery and upright position with immobilization without moving the legs. All of these was found in the story of the last day of Jesus Christ.

RAZ: Roman era crucifixions were a common punishment handed (ph) out to both criminals and trouble makers, a slow, painful death commemorated by Christians the world over.

REV. MICHAEL MCGARRY, TANTUR THEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE: I think the matters to the believer how Jesus died more that he was crucified as a result of the Romans effort to get rid of troublemakers rather than some sort of scientific diagnosis.

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LIN: That was our Guy Raz.

Here is a quick look at what's happening right now in the news.

Results are in on a specimen taken from a car of one of the young men detained in Aruba in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. Sources tell CNN FBI tests have concluded the specimen was not blood.

The controversy surrounding Guantanamo Bay military prison continues to grow. A "Time" Magazine article details the treatment of a man whom officials plan to be the 20th hijacker on September 11. Now, according to a prison logbook, obtained at the time, interrogators forced Mohammad al-Kahtani to urinate on himself, stand for long periods of time, hung pictures of scantily clad women around his neck.

A month after lawmakers granted women the right to vote and the right to hold office, it's another history making day in Kuwait. The nation has appointed the first woman cabinet minister. University teacher Massouma al-Mubarek will serve as planning minister and minister of state for administrative development affairs.

And flash flooding in northeastern China has claimed at least 91 lives. More than two dozen other people are injured. Most of the victims are children, killed when raging waters slammed into a primary school on Friday. Teens are still searching for 17 missing students.

Fallujah, Tikrit, Mosul: all Iraqi cities that have become infamous for the violence that has claimed countless Iraqi and coalition lives. But now a new city is emerging in the mission to route out insurgents: Al Tafar (sic). That is where for days now U.S. and Iraqi forces have been working together in a show of force.

CNN's Jane Arraf is embedded with U.S. troops and has an exclusive look.

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JANE ARRAF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): A major operation here in Tal Afar is over, but the effort and the fight to find, capture or kill insurgents in the city which has essentially been held hostage is continuing. This is city where people are afraid to go to the hospital, where mothers have been afraid to send their children to school. U.S. forces say that they're rounding up, along with their Iraqi army counterparts, insurgents throughout the town working with tribal leaders to re-establish the police here. And south west of this area, in western Al Anbar province, that fight as well continues. We spoke to the Marine commander in charge of that area, Colonel Stephen Davis, who tells us that an airstrike that as killed, what he says, are at least 40 insurgents was a matter of getting lucky and finding a safe house where they believe they were hiding.

COL. STEPHEN DAVIS, U.S. MARINE CORPS: You have a fairly elusive enemy. And we spend a lot of our time trying to find out where he is. And our efforts were successful yesterday. We were able to find a gathering of them. And were able to bring the combined arms affects available in the joint inventory out here to pretty good effect.

ARRAF: This is a huge stretch of territory, fully one third of Iraq with very few U.S. forces, very few Iraqi forces. And a Syrian border where officials say insurgents and foreign fighters are still coming through. A lot of efforts are focused on that border, but it continues to be porous and continues to have insurgents coming throughout the area to towns like this.

Jane Arraf, CNN, reporting from near Tal Afar, Iraq.

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LIN: And elsewhere in Iraq, the U.S. death toll continues to grow. Four U.S. troops were killed in the last 24 hours in two separate bomb attacks, both took place Saturday less than 50 miles west of Baghdad. And both happened during combat operations.

Meanwhile, Iraqi authorities are reporting a grizzly discovery: 28 bodies showing signs of torture in and around Baghdad. None has been identified. A 29th victim was found alive, but later died.

A French journalist held hostage for five months in Iraq is back home. Florence Aubenas landed in Paris today after being released earlier this weekend. French president Jacques Chirac was among those greeting her at the airport. The woman's Iraqi interpreter was also freed.

Every week, we like to bring you the more personal stories from the front lines. And today, we are focusing on the increasingly difficult job the military is having attracting new recruits. With the daily images of violence in Iraq, some wonder why anyone would sign up for duty. Still, men and women willing to go to war in a war zone keep showing up.

CNN's senior Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre takes a look at who is doing it and why.

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JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN SENIOR PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Despite the Army's recruiting woes, it can still find tens of thousands of young people willing to sign up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's been in my blood for very long time, and it's tradition and I just want to be patriotic pretty much.

MCINTYRE: 18-year-old Amanda McArthur followed her father's footsteps right into this recruiting station in Stockbridge, Georgia where Sergeant Gregory Davis admits the Army is a tough sell with a war raging.

SGT. 1ST CLASS GREGORY DAVIS, U.S. ARMY RECRUITER: It's a little more difficult to talk to some of the kids now.

MCINTYRE: Sergeant Davis has his work cut out for him. If the Army make it is year end goal of 80,000 recruits by September 30, recruiters across the country will have to bring in as many fresh troops over the next four months as they did over the last eight.

Where will they come from? This map shows the army's success rate so far. Green eras have high rates of signing up, red areas are low.

And if you look at the greenest areas, you'll notice something interesting, four of the five are near big army bases.

So, Amanda McArthur is an example of what the Army concludes is one of the biggest factors influencing recruits, being from a military family or living near a military town. And then there is that money for college and a chance for an exciting career.

DAVIS: In this area, the kids are really interested in the training. In particular, they want to fly helicopters, or they want to do special forces, or something where there's plenty of adventure for them.

MCINTYRE (on camera): The Army knows money is a lure. It increased bonuses to as much as $20,000 as recruiting got tougher. And it's considering bonuses of up to $40,000 for some specialties.

But the Army claims its own analysis refutes what some critics claim, that it's drawing disproportionately from poorer Americans, those desperate for jobs.

(voice-over): And experts agree, money is rarely the sole deciding factor.

JAMES CARAFANO, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: People serve because they want to serve, but economics is part of the decision of whether they come in or whether they go. You don't have to be poor to see the attractiveness of being in the military.

MCINTYRE: In fact, the latest Army statistics from 2004 show that at least racially, the Army is more closely reflecting the larger society. For instance, African-Americans, who used to be overrepresented in the Army at 22 percent of the force, now make up closer to 16 percent, roughly the same percentage they are of the U.S. population.

More women are signing up at Sergeant Davis' suburban Atlanta recruiting station, but nationwide, the percentage of women enlisting has dropped. And while it has used to be the Army was seen as a great color blind job opportunity for minorities, recruiters say increasingly, politics is a consideration.

DAVIS: A lot of people in that area just don't really support who we have as president. And they say they're not signing up, because of who is in office.

MCINTYRE: But there is no secret about the biggest obstacle recruiters have to overcome. It's not the reluctance of recruits, but of their parents.

So the Army's latest ad campaign is aimed directly at them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So dad, there's something I need to tell you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much is this going to cost me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, it's not like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it the motorcycle thing again?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE; It's not the motorcycle. It's about what you said the other day about doing something for myself, maybe something important.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Go ahead.

DAVIS: Oh I say, well, ma'am, your son or daughter can get killed right out there on the street of Atlanta. And, you know, when you compare the numbers of people that have died as a result of combat, compared to the numbers that die here in the metro Atlanta area, I don't -- you would think there was more war going on here.

MCINTYRE: Sergeant Davis says the No. 1 question asked by potential recruits is -- will I go to war? His answer, there's a 50/50 chance. Jamie McIntyre, CNN, the Pentagon.

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LIN: He didn't just crack the mafia, he became the mafia. And now Joe Pastone is telling us the secrets from the organization that he was part of for more than 20 years.

And we're talking health when CNN LIVE SUNDAY returns. Want to stay young forever, or at least feel pretty young? From exercise to what foods -- exactly what foods you need to eat, straight ahead.

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LIN: Everyone wants to know the secrets to longevity. What is it to keep us young and healthy? Well, a new best selling book says the secrets to living longer lies simply in what we eat and what we do. The book is called "You: the Owner's Manual." While the concepts and ideas are not necessarily revolutionary, they are surprising.

Authors, Dr. Mehmet Oz and Michael Roizon join me from now New York. Good to see both of you.

And what I love about this book, is that it literally is an owner's manual. I mean, you take people from A to Z, the very basics of the body. And if we know how the machine works, maybe we'll know how to take care of it.

Dr. Oz, let me start with you, is there a -- a myth that we have about our bodies? I mean, if you wanted us to know one thing about our bodies, what would it be?

DR. MEHMET OZ, "YOU: THE OWNERS MANUAL": The most important myth is you cannot test yourself to safety. And what that means is you can get the tests you want -- ultra fast CT scans, total body scans, every blood test you can imagine. At the end of the day, they're a simple spot moment in your life. The only way to truly live healthy is to behave healthily. And that's what the book is really about, to give you the simple lessons you need to allow you to live the life you deserve.

LIN: OK. Let's talk about fuel in, fuel out. What we eat. Because you spend a lot of time on that. Dr. Roizen, is there a No. 1 anti-aging food?

DR. MICHAEL ROIZEN, "YOU: THE OWNER'S MANUAL": Well, the best foods are those that look like when you eat them, they came right out of the ground. So...

LIN: That doesn't sound very appealing.

ROIZEN: Well, God didn't make any white bread trees, so you avoid white bread. And have fruits, vegetables -- if I was going to say there are great foods, the most important number you can know is your blood pressure. You can do it easily with a device like this.

And there are foods that help you keep the pressure down, foods that are rich in potassium and folate like orange juice, spinach, avocados. Those a great foods.

They are foods to help you keep your immune system well such as nuts, walnuts and tomatoes. So those are some of the foods. But if the basic rule is, if you eat it, the way it looks like it is in natural in the earth or that's great food.

LIN: Dr. Oz, what are the foods, if you name three to get rid of that you hear people eating almost on a daily basis or weekly basis, what would they did be?

OZ: Well, the first is not food, it's soda pop. It's carbonated beverages with lots of sugar in them. And those should come out of your diet. The second are all fried foods. There's just no excuse for that. You can take the healthiest food in the world -- salmon -- and fry it, and it's no longer the healthy...

LIN: Oh, really? Oh, because it's the fastest way to cook it, to be honest with you.

OZ: It is. And the last is white foods. Just cut the white foods out.

What's that? White bread, white rice, white pasta. You can have alternatives, but get them the way they were made naturally.

LIN: All right. You just wiped out my toddler's entire diet. But that's for another day.

All right. Let's talk about skin care. There are a plethora of skin products out there that make promises, but if there's one ingredient, one product that we should buy to keep our skin healthier and looking younger, what would it be?

ROIZEN: It's alpha hydroxy acid or AHA, or glycolic alph hydroxy acid. What it does is tricks your skin into thinking it needs to produce more of itself. So, you do produce more of itself and you get younger. Your skin looks younger.

LIN: And you actually don't have to buy the most expensive product, right?

ROIZEN: Right. Most of the most expensive products are the smell of them or some other things in them. The alpha hydroxy acid is a relatively cheap product.

Now, there's one other trick for your skin. And that's an aspirin a day or half of a regular aspirin, or two baby aspirins.

LIN: Why?

ROIZEN: Because one of the things that ages your skin the most is inflammation. Whether it's inflammation from the sun, or inflammation from cigarettes or natural inflammation, that ages it. And aspirin is incredibly effective at preventing that.

LIN: All right. So Dr. Oz, some of these solutions, does that mean, I can look, you know, 35 for the rest of my life? I mean, at some point, we do get older and we die.

OZ: Well, you get older and you die. But you can enjoy the life you're living. And one of the biggest challenges for our generation is that we're going to live longer than we're supposed to. And we want to look the best we can and live the best we can.

So in addition to what Mike pointed out, protecting your son from the biggest damager of all, the son, is critically important. You should wear SPF 30 or even 45. They cost the same every day your in the sun. It is a critically important way to live better.

LIN: We have a full screen that we want to show the audience, because you actually -- you both actually say that if people make these life saving changes, that they can reduce their chance of death or disability by 90 percent. That is an astonishing number.

And they're pretty simple solutions like -- well, Dr. Roizen, you talked about controlling blood pressure, avoiding tobacco, exercise 30 minutes a day, manage stress, healthy diet. We talked about the diet. Managing stress -- I mean, it's a stressful life. What do you mean by stress? Most of the stress we encounter, you know, we like to think inflicted upon us, right?

ROIZEN: There are two stresses that we call make your real age older. Those stresses are the major life stresses. They're 13 of them. Getting divorced, forcing a move, being sued, a friend or relative that's very close to you being ill. That's a major life stress.

The other stresses that age us are what we call nagging unfinished tasks. The screen door that has a hole in it that every time you come home, you see it and it bothers you that you haven't fixed it. Our usual running around, picking up the kids, having to do this, meeting deadlines, those things you deal with and don't age you. So it is the ones that are major life stresses or the nagging, unfinished tasks.

And there are easy ways to deal with it: having friends, refocusing activity whether through meditation or group activity or religious activity -- whatever you do to refocus -- exercise. These things are all great helping you manage stress so it doesn't age you.

LIN: Wow. All right. Great solutions. Simple solutions. Something everybody can do. May we live long and prosper. Thanks so much.

OZ: Thank you very much.

ROIZEN: Thank you.

LIN: Dr. Oz, Dr. Roizen, great advice, terrific book.

OZ: One last point, the book is wonderful for men.

LIN: You know what? You are right. It's not girlie book at all. All right.

OZ: Think about it for Father's Day.

LIN: Oh my goodness, you two. I'm going to talk to your publisher. Thanks so much.

All right. He was the real Donnie Brascoe -- Joe Pastone, the FBI undercover agent who infiltrated the mafia is back with a look inside the drug trade and the assassinations that made the organization. He's going to join me live next.

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BRAD GARRETT, COMEDIAN: Happy anniversary CNN. 25 years and still going strong.

(END VIDEO CLIP) LIN: Getting to know the ins and outs of the mob is dangerous business, but that didn't frighten off Joe Pastone. He immersed himself in the mob life an as undercover agent for the FBI for more than 20 years. He's perhaps best known as Donnie Brasco, his alias. And the name of the best selling book.

But now he's got a new book out. And it's featured in the National Geographic show, "Inside the Mafia." Joe Pastone joins me now from New York.

Joe, 20 years in the mob that you were under cover. You had to prove yourself. I mean, you went nearly to the top. What is it that you did to convince them that you were the real deal when you were under cover?

JOE PASTONE, FRM. FBI AGENT: Well basically, Carol, what I did was just -- I was myself. I kept my own personality. And I had a legend of being a jewel thief and burglar which I knew, you know, I knew about. So -- and a lot of good communications with individuals that I first met in the mafia.

LIN: But you were told at one point, I mean, you rose so high that to get to the next step, to be at the top of the game in the drug trade, that you would have to assassinate somebody. That was the point that the FBI pulled you out, right?

PASTONE: That's correct. There was a war going on within the Bonnano crime family -- that's the family I was with. And several individuals had gotten killed. And I had gotten contracts to kill two other individuals.

And, at that point in time, I had been proposed for membership in the family. And due to the killings going on -- and I was targeted myself to get killed, and also, the fact that, you know, as an FBI agent, I couldn't go out and carry out a contract hit, we had to terminate the operation.

LIN: You had to terminate the operation. And shortly after the termination, your boss, Sonny Block (sic), was killed himself.

PASTONE: Yes. When it was determined who I was Sonny Black was killed 17 days later. That's correct.

LIN: What was life inside the mob like? What did you actually have to do? I mean did you ever have to -- did you sell drugs? Did you beat people up? Did you torture anyone?

PASTONE: Well, I never tortured anyone. But yes, I was involved in illegal activities. I was involved in doing some narcotics deals, involved in moving swag, which is stolen goods and I had some physical confrontations with several individuals.

LIN: Physical confrontations, what's that -- that's polite a description, isn't it?

PASTONE: Yes. Very polite. LIN: Very polite indeed.

All right, you also observed that mobsters, they lead two very distinct lives. One at the -- shall we say at the office and a very different one at home with their families. What do you mean by that?

PASTONE: Well, you know, most mobsters don't go to an office every day but most of them are very family oriented. You know, they have -- they care about their kids. They care about their mothers, their fathers. But when they're at the social club, it is strictly mob business.

The one thing to remember is that the -- these individuals that are officially members of a mafia family, the mafia comes first. It's a mafia, then your other family, and then church and country.

LIN: How did your own family deal with this?

PASTONE: Well, when I -- obviously, my family knew I was a FBI agent and had no idea that I was immersed into this undercover operation to the extent that I was.

LIN: How do you deal with what you've seen and done?

PASTONE: Well, you know, you have to be a realist. And I am a realist. And I know that there are evil people in the world. And, these people, you just deal with and your job as a FBI agent or another law enforcement officer is to hopefully gather evidence to put them in jail.

LIN: The evil people, they're still out there and watching you on television right now. Do you still fear for your life?

PASTONE: No. You know, I don't fear for my life. I take precautions. What you worry about is a cowboy, somebody that wants to make a name for themselves. But you know, when that comes along, you deal with it.

LIN: Why do you think you are still alive?

PASTONE: Because I know how to stay alive. And I have, you know, I have the backing of the FBI so...

LIN: Because writing a book and doing a four-hour series for national geographic is not exactly the witness protection program.

PASTONE: No. And, you know being a FBI agent, former FBI agent, you are not eligible for the Witness Protection Program. But in this documentary, "Inside the Mafia," it gives a pretty good description of what both the Italian and Sicilian mafia is about and how as an FBI agent I was able to infiltrate and stay alive later.

LIN: Joe Pastone, thank you very much. We look forward to it. It debuts tomorrow night.

PASTONE: Thank you. LIN: On the National Geographic Channel.

PASTONE: Thank you.

LIN: That's all the time we have for this hour.

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: New details tonight about interrogation tactics at the prison at Guantanamo Bay, a report from secret documents the media and others were never supposed to see.
Also...

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HOWARD DEAN, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And then we're going to Washington D.C. to take back the White House. Yeah!

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LIN: Well, there was more sounding off from Howard Dean. Our Carlos Watson has a fresh take on what Dean has to mean to the Democrats. And whether his hard talk really has to become the party line.

It is June 12. And you're watching CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

Good evening from the CNN center in Atlanta. I'm Carol Lin. Our top story in just a moment, but first these are the stories making news right now.

A bomb on the tracks derailed a Russian passenger train 90 miles outside of Moscow today. The explosion knocked six cars off the tracks, injuring 15 people. The train was bound for Moscow from the Chechen capital of Grozny.

A rare wave of terror bombings in Iran today, the majority of them targeting the capital of an oil rich province near the border with Iraq-Iran border. At least nine people are dead, nearly 80 others were wounded.

And back in this country; every penny helps. Gas prices dipped more than a penny in the past three weeks. The national average price for self-serve regular gas is now $2.13 a gallon.

In the meantime, our top story -- they are described as some of the worst of the worst in the war on terror: 540 men under lock and key at the Guantanamo Bay prison, most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks. Well, tonight, their fate is the focus of a heated and increasingly political debate. And fueling the fire, a new report that offers an inside glimpse at the techniques investigators use to get the detainees to talk. CNN congressional correspondent Joe Johns is at the White House with more details. Joe, what have you learned.

JOE JOHNS, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Carol. Guantanamo Bay and its the 540 detainees are attracting more and more unwanted attention on Capitol Hill.

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JOHNS (voice-over): Spotlight on the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay where government designated enemy combatants are taken and interrogated. The question: should the place be closed? Even some congressional Republicans are starting to wonder.

SEN. CHUCK HAGEL, (R) NEBRASKA: This can't be a situation where we hold them forever and ever and ever and die of old age. What are our plans here?

JOHNS: Republican senator Mel Martinez of Florida asked over the weekend whether the political cross of the camp starting to outweigh the benefits. But the view of many of many controlling the Congress is that a prisoner at Gitmo gets pretty good treatment.

REP. DUNCAN HUNTER, (R) CALIFORNIA: We're going to serve him rice pilaf. We're going to serve him oven fried chicken. We're going to serve him three types of fruit and pita bread. And he's going to top that all off with a glass of tea.

JOHNS: Among the detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Mohammed al- Kahtani, a 20th suspected hijacker who never made it to the plan on September 11. A new report in "Time" magazine citing a secret diary says the government used stress strategies on him like standing for prolonged periods, isolation for as long as 30 days, removal of clothing, forced shaving of facial hair, playing on individual phobias such as dogs. Interrogation techniques that are not new and some say not over the line.

REP. PETER KING, (R) NEW YORK: Quite frankly, if it is going to save American lives, just by shaving someone's hair or by holding them in isolation, I think we have to keep this in context and not be so quick to criticize the military.

JOHNS: A Pentagon statement said Guantanamo provides valuable intelligence information. And said al-Kahtani's interrogation was guided by a very detailed plan and conducted by trained professionals. The administration has been clear on its views of the Guantanamo detainees.

SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: They are enemy combatants for a reason, because they seek to do harm to the American people.

JOHNS: But the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee calls Guantanamo a legal black hole.

SEN. PATRICK LEAHY, (D) VERMONT: I think Guantanamo Bay has become a black eye for the United States. We have people there held under dubious reasons. We won't -- we're unwilling to follow even our own rules in holding them. We a ought to either charge these people or release them.

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JOHNS: Problem is, many Republicans say there's no clear alternative to Guantanamo right now. And if that's true, they say, there's no sense to talking right now about shutting it down.

Carol, back to you.

LIN: Joe, thank you very much.

Now, obviously CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security. So stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.

In the meantime, Philadelphia is official is calling it a tragedy for the entire city -- five children died in a fire that raced through this row house this morning. Two adults are in critical condition. A fire marshal is investigating whether the children could not escape, because of security bars installed on some of the home's windows. Neighbors say the house was a death trap.

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IRENE WEAL, NEIGHBOR: I saw the flames coming out of the front door and stuff. And him and her jumping out the windows. But I didn't see no children. They was in a back room all of them.

DENISE FLYNN, PHILADELPHIA POLICE: We pulled up with Engine 25. The flames were shooting out the front door, the down stairs. The mother's screaming my babies are inside. My babies are inside.

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LIN: That's got to be so hard.

Two of the children were pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital. The other three soon died after.

Well, dozens of aftershocks are rolling across Southern California after a moderate earthquake. A 5.6 magnitude quake struck 20 miles south of Palm Springs this morning and was felt as far west as downtown Los Angeles, that's about a two-hour drive away. The quake caused just a few jittery moments as we see in this surveillance tape of a store in Palm Desert. But we have no reports of injuries or damage which is good news, indeed.

Now, they're dealing with quite a different kind of mess today in western Wisconsin. Yesterday, a twister damaged two dozen homes near Hammond. That's about 35 miles east of Saint Paul, Minnesota. Mari Glover with CNN affiliate KMSP talked to a daring amateur photographer who caught the tornado on tape.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looking kind of scary. MARI GLOVER, KMSP CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When the sirens went off over Hammond, Wisconsin, Matt Ries grabbed his video camera and ran outside.

MATT RIES, VIDEOTAPED TORNADO: I was shaking pretty bad holding the camera. You know, the way it was moving, I didn't know which way it was headed really at first. And a couple of times I had to start heading towards the house, but I kept it rolling.

GLOVER: This is what he saw, a tornado touching down less than a mile away. Those tiny black dots swirling around the base of the tornado, that's debris from Ries' neighbors directly to the south.

PHILLIP MEIER, HAMMOND RESIDENT: The roof is gone, just gone. And the garage, gone. A lot of stuff gone. A bean field back there.

GLOVER: The tornado left a path of destruction roughly two miles long, damaging or destroying nearly 30 homes in the Meadows subdivision on the west side of town.

PAM BRION, HAMMOND RESIDENT: I actually spotted it really before it came across. And as I saw it coming, literally. So that's what saved me and I got out of that room before it struck otherwise I probably would have been hurt.

GLOVER: Pam Brion had to hide in her bathtub while she waited for the storm to blow over.

BRION: Yes, I was scared. I was on the phone kind of screaming bloody murder. But I'm much luckier than my neighbors, so I guess I can't complain. They lost more than I did.

GLOVER: The winds so powerful they ripped the roofs off of homes and snapped dozens of mature trees in half. In all, the tornado left two dozen families temporarily homeless. But town officials say amazingly no one was hurt.

MONICA FRERICHS, HAMMOND RESIDENT: I'm glad that we're fine. But it's emotionally very -- it is pretty stressful.

RIES: Turning ahead towards Baldwin now a little bit -- kind of north...

GLOVER: Even though the tornado missed Matt Ries' house, he hopes the storm clouds over Hammond are gone, at least for awhile.

RIES: I don't want to see it again.

GLOVER: Once is enough?

RIES: Yeah. I don't need my house wrecked.

Have you seen anything like that?

(END VIDEOTAPE) LIN: Wow. And there was also some violent weather in other parts of the country. Remnants of Arlene soaking parts of the nation today. The once tropical storm caused only minor damage in parts of Florida and Alabama when it slammed ashore yesterday. The storm canceled flights and knocked out power to thousands of people, but most of that has been restored. It is still producing thunderstorms, though, from western Tennessee all the way to Ohio today.

And on the island of Aruba, a desperate search. Test results are back on the evidence collected in the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. CNN's Karl Penhaul is following the developments from Palm Beach, Aruba.

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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Law enforcement sources close to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have told CNN that a sample resembling blood taken from one of the cars of the suspects confiscated on Thursday was sent to an FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia for analysis. Those sources also told CNN that the sample has proved negative. It wasn't blood as first suspected.

On Saturday, a judge ordered three suspects detained on Thursday to be held in custody for a further eight days while police and prosecutors gather more evidence to find out clues about the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway and what happened to her. Those three suspects are the three young men last seen in Natalee Holloway's company on May 30, the day she disappeared two weeks ago now. Defense lawyers for the three had this to say.

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY: My client states -- keeps on saying that he is not guilty. And, he hasn't -- he is not the one that I've been reading in the press that has confessed. Up to now that I know, nobody has.

PENHAUL: Despite the searches, despite all the interrogations, though, there's still no clue as to whereabouts of Natalee Holloway or her possible remains. And this week, the police and prosecutors will continue those interrogations of a total of five suspects now and continue to hunt for evidence as to what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Karl Penhaul, CNN, Palm Beach, Aruba.

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LIN: Later tonight, I'm going to be interviewing the spokesman for the Aruban government. He's going to talk about where the investigation stands and a status of the five men jailed in the case. So that is tonight, CNN SUNDAY NIGHT at 10:00 Eastern.

Howard Dean, he is fighting Republicans and many members of his own party. But is Howard Dean's tell it like it is style exactly what the Democrats need? CNN political analyst Carlos Watson has a "Fresh Take" on this. In the meantime, the death of Jesus Christ -- Christians say he was crucified, but how exactly did he die? Well, there's a new theory. And it's challenging popular belief.

And later, looking for the fountain of youth -- you might find it in the refrigerator. Grab a long neck, pop a top. Stay tuned, because it may be the last beer you drink depending on what these doctors have to say.

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LIN: Howard Dean is still a man very much in the fight to stay Democratic Party Chairman and fend off critics in his own party. Now, in the staid world of politics, saying something like this doesn't win you many points.

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DEAN: The Republicans are not very friendly to different types of people. I mean, they're a pretty monolithic party. They're pretty much -- they all behave the same and they all look the same. And they all, you know, it's pretty much the white, Christian party.

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LIN: OK. Now, this is what he told his own national party's executive committee this weekend.

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DEAN: People want us to fight. We are here to fight.

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LIN: There you go. Democratic leaders came out swinging against Dean last week. And he may be down at the bottom of the ninth, but so was Bobby Thompson back in 1951 when his home run won the Giants the pennant.

We always get a "Fresh Take" from Carlos Watson, CNN's political analyst. You gave us that baseball story, in fact, because you have a baseball story of your own when it comes to Howard Dean.

CARLOS WATSON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I do. Not quite Bobby Thompson, but I was recently at a Major League Baseball game with several members of Congress -- several Democratic members of Congress -- and what stood out talking privately, it was clear that they share as much frustration as maybe Howard Dean.

In other words, they don't control the Senate. They don't control the House. They don't control the White House, or the supreme court. The situation from a Democratic perspective maybe as bad as its been in 50 years. And in some ways, they sometimes want a Howard Dean who can be a little bit of a lightning rod. In fact, in some cases you can argue he sets the lead and they ultimately follow.

Carol, in fact, listen to what Howard Dean had to say in December of 2003 as an example of where he sometimes leads the party.

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DEAN: The capture of Saddam is a good thing, which I hope keeps the soldiers in Iraq and around the world safer. But the capture of Saddam has not made America safer.

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WATSON: Now, you remember that right after that, Carol, he was criticized heavily by quote unquote Washington Democrats, including John Kerry. But then listen to what Kerry had to say just a couple months later after criticizing Dean for making that point about not being safer.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY, (D-MA) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure.

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WATSON: You know, Carol, many ways Howard Dean is to Democrats what New York is to fashion. Meaning, he's often kind of six months ahead of where they ultimately end up.

Now sometimes you go, that's fashion and rather not see walking down the street. But other time, you say, you know what, maybe leg warmers are a fashion statement, maybe that does make sense. So, whether it's on that issue or confederate flags. And later on John Edwards shows up saying, essentially something very similar, which is we need to go after the south. Howard Dean is often kind of the lead dog.

LIN: OK. So, you're saying he can be useful to the party. So, what does a party do with a man that they don't know how to channel? I mean, if the Democrats had a Karl Rove, what would that Karl Rove tell the party to do with this man?

WATSON: You would channel your political provacateur. You would send him into states where they're open Senate seats this upcoming year like Minnesota, like Maryland, like Tennessee. And where the actual candidate herself or himself may not be able to change the topic to healthcare or to national security. You let Howard Dean throw out the explosive statement either about an issue or about a candidate. And that way, you might actually start to get a foothold. You know, good cop/bad cop. Let Howard Dean be your bad cop more often than not.

LIN: Make a statement. Be memorable.

WATSON: Without a doubt.

And you know what's so interesting that is that Republicans already do it. In fact, Republicans have a whole chorus, if you will of political provacateurs. They're are in the media, whether it's Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly or others and the reality is with the exception of Michael Moore who shows up with a movie every two or three years, Democrats don't really have that political provacateur to move the needle and ultimately reshape debate. So there's a role for Howard Dean if he's managed and used properly.

LIN: All right. Managed and used properly, because, you know, if we're talking about -- go ahead.

WATSON: Well, you know what, Carol I want the directors to pull up a screen, if you will, of a guy filled with tattoos. And you're going to wonder why I'm asking them to do this.

LIN: Yes. Dennis Rodman?

WATSON: Dennis Rodman, you remember him. The old basketball star. Now, Dennis Rodman with his multicolored hair and his sometimes wild antics, put on the wrong team could be a detriment and the team could go nowhere -- his time with the Los Angeles Lakers. But produced properly, and choreographed well, and put with the right players, Michael Jordan and the right coach, Bill Jackson, he can help you win two or three championships.

I think of Howard Dean similarly to the extent of Democrats used him to be a lead dog, whether on the healthcare issue, whether it's on the upcoming Supreme Court fight, whether it's frankly on some of the bills that is have passed the Democrats think are still problematic -- around tax cuts, et cetera, I think he actually could be of help. But Democrats have to work with him and choreograph the message with him.

LIN: All right. Howard Dean scream in a different way these days. We'll see what happens. Thanks very much, Carlos.

WATSON: Good to see you.

LIN: A fresh take as always.

All right. So, what's it like to be inside the mafia. Coming up, a former undercover FBI agent shows and tells about the cutthroat deals, the vicious rivalries and the brutal assassinations -- he saw it all.

And religious history is being challenged. Did a loss of blood cause Jesus' death on the cross, a new theory emerges.

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LIN: News in our world wrap tonight. A festive display as Filipinos mark their independence day in Manila. But the celebrations are clouded by tension over recent election results. Some accuse the Philippines's president of cheating and election fraud, allegations she denies.

Casting ballots in Lebanon again -- it is the third round of voting for the general election and taking place region by region. And is expected to wrap up on June 19. Early results show anti-Syrian candidates lost ground this weekend. A former ally who broke ranks enlisting pro-Syrian aid for his candidacy is leading the polls. Final results are expected tomorrow.

Thousands celebrating in Tel Aviv this weekend in Israel's annual gay pride parade. Nearly 100,000 people were expected to join in gay pride events that began Friday.

A show of military force in one troubled region of Iraq. But has it paid off? And freedom for a woman held hostage for five months. Those stories straight ahead.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's been in my blood for a very long time. And it's tradition. And I just want to be patriotic.

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LIN: Recruiting future soldiers, it is not easy for the U.S. Army but it is not all bad, either. A look at where recruiting is most effective.

And what's the secret to being young and healthy? You are going to go nuts when you find out the secrets to living longer. Straight ahead on CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

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LIN: Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross. Few religious historians dispute that, but an Israeli professor is challenging the popular conception that he died from blood loss during his crucifixion. That story from CNN's Guy Raz.

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GUY RAZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): 17 hours in economy class may be torturous for some, even deadly for a few. Scientists have linked restricted movement on long haul flights to deep vein thrombosis, a blood clot that travels from the legs to the lungs. But what does it have to do with Jesus? Israeli scientist Benjamin Brenner says deep vein thrombosis is probably the cause of Jesus' death on the cross.

BENJAMIN BRENNER, RAMBAM MEDICAL CENTER: The real cause was probably a formation of blood clots in the legs which then embolized into the lungs.

RAZ: Brenner makes the case in an article in the "Journal of Thrombosis." For thousands of years, it was thought Jesus died of massive blood loss from the crucifixion, but Brenner says all the conditions were there for him to have met a far more painful death.

BRENNER: The dehydration, multiple trauma -- nailing like, you know, orthopedic surgery and upright position with immobilization without moving the legs. All of these was found in the story of the last day of Jesus Christ.

RAZ: Roman era crucifixions were a common punishment handed (ph) out to both criminals and trouble makers, a slow, painful death commemorated by Christians the world over.

REV. MICHAEL MCGARRY, TANTUR THEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE: I think the matters to the believer how Jesus died more that he was crucified as a result of the Romans effort to get rid of troublemakers rather than some sort of scientific diagnosis.

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LIN: That was our Guy Raz.

Here is a quick look at what's happening right now in the news.

Results are in on a specimen taken from a car of one of the young men detained in Aruba in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. Sources tell CNN FBI tests have concluded the specimen was not blood.

The controversy surrounding Guantanamo Bay military prison continues to grow. A "Time" Magazine article details the treatment of a man whom officials plan to be the 20th hijacker on September 11. Now, according to a prison logbook, obtained at the time, interrogators forced Mohammad al-Kahtani to urinate on himself, stand for long periods of time, hung pictures of scantily clad women around his neck.

A month after lawmakers granted women the right to vote and the right to hold office, it's another history making day in Kuwait. The nation has appointed the first woman cabinet minister. University teacher Massouma al-Mubarek will serve as planning minister and minister of state for administrative development affairs.

And flash flooding in northeastern China has claimed at least 91 lives. More than two dozen other people are injured. Most of the victims are children, killed when raging waters slammed into a primary school on Friday. Teens are still searching for 17 missing students.

Fallujah, Tikrit, Mosul: all Iraqi cities that have become infamous for the violence that has claimed countless Iraqi and coalition lives. But now a new city is emerging in the mission to route out insurgents: Al Tafar (sic). That is where for days now U.S. and Iraqi forces have been working together in a show of force.

CNN's Jane Arraf is embedded with U.S. troops and has an exclusive look.

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JANE ARRAF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): A major operation here in Tal Afar is over, but the effort and the fight to find, capture or kill insurgents in the city which has essentially been held hostage is continuing. This is city where people are afraid to go to the hospital, where mothers have been afraid to send their children to school. U.S. forces say that they're rounding up, along with their Iraqi army counterparts, insurgents throughout the town working with tribal leaders to re-establish the police here. And south west of this area, in western Al Anbar province, that fight as well continues. We spoke to the Marine commander in charge of that area, Colonel Stephen Davis, who tells us that an airstrike that as killed, what he says, are at least 40 insurgents was a matter of getting lucky and finding a safe house where they believe they were hiding.

COL. STEPHEN DAVIS, U.S. MARINE CORPS: You have a fairly elusive enemy. And we spend a lot of our time trying to find out where he is. And our efforts were successful yesterday. We were able to find a gathering of them. And were able to bring the combined arms affects available in the joint inventory out here to pretty good effect.

ARRAF: This is a huge stretch of territory, fully one third of Iraq with very few U.S. forces, very few Iraqi forces. And a Syrian border where officials say insurgents and foreign fighters are still coming through. A lot of efforts are focused on that border, but it continues to be porous and continues to have insurgents coming throughout the area to towns like this.

Jane Arraf, CNN, reporting from near Tal Afar, Iraq.

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LIN: And elsewhere in Iraq, the U.S. death toll continues to grow. Four U.S. troops were killed in the last 24 hours in two separate bomb attacks, both took place Saturday less than 50 miles west of Baghdad. And both happened during combat operations.

Meanwhile, Iraqi authorities are reporting a grizzly discovery: 28 bodies showing signs of torture in and around Baghdad. None has been identified. A 29th victim was found alive, but later died.

A French journalist held hostage for five months in Iraq is back home. Florence Aubenas landed in Paris today after being released earlier this weekend. French president Jacques Chirac was among those greeting her at the airport. The woman's Iraqi interpreter was also freed.

Every week, we like to bring you the more personal stories from the front lines. And today, we are focusing on the increasingly difficult job the military is having attracting new recruits. With the daily images of violence in Iraq, some wonder why anyone would sign up for duty. Still, men and women willing to go to war in a war zone keep showing up.

CNN's senior Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre takes a look at who is doing it and why.

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JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN SENIOR PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Despite the Army's recruiting woes, it can still find tens of thousands of young people willing to sign up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's been in my blood for very long time, and it's tradition and I just want to be patriotic pretty much.

MCINTYRE: 18-year-old Amanda McArthur followed her father's footsteps right into this recruiting station in Stockbridge, Georgia where Sergeant Gregory Davis admits the Army is a tough sell with a war raging.

SGT. 1ST CLASS GREGORY DAVIS, U.S. ARMY RECRUITER: It's a little more difficult to talk to some of the kids now.

MCINTYRE: Sergeant Davis has his work cut out for him. If the Army make it is year end goal of 80,000 recruits by September 30, recruiters across the country will have to bring in as many fresh troops over the next four months as they did over the last eight.

Where will they come from? This map shows the army's success rate so far. Green eras have high rates of signing up, red areas are low.

And if you look at the greenest areas, you'll notice something interesting, four of the five are near big army bases.

So, Amanda McArthur is an example of what the Army concludes is one of the biggest factors influencing recruits, being from a military family or living near a military town. And then there is that money for college and a chance for an exciting career.

DAVIS: In this area, the kids are really interested in the training. In particular, they want to fly helicopters, or they want to do special forces, or something where there's plenty of adventure for them.

MCINTYRE (on camera): The Army knows money is a lure. It increased bonuses to as much as $20,000 as recruiting got tougher. And it's considering bonuses of up to $40,000 for some specialties.

But the Army claims its own analysis refutes what some critics claim, that it's drawing disproportionately from poorer Americans, those desperate for jobs.

(voice-over): And experts agree, money is rarely the sole deciding factor.

JAMES CARAFANO, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: People serve because they want to serve, but economics is part of the decision of whether they come in or whether they go. You don't have to be poor to see the attractiveness of being in the military.

MCINTYRE: In fact, the latest Army statistics from 2004 show that at least racially, the Army is more closely reflecting the larger society. For instance, African-Americans, who used to be overrepresented in the Army at 22 percent of the force, now make up closer to 16 percent, roughly the same percentage they are of the U.S. population.

More women are signing up at Sergeant Davis' suburban Atlanta recruiting station, but nationwide, the percentage of women enlisting has dropped. And while it has used to be the Army was seen as a great color blind job opportunity for minorities, recruiters say increasingly, politics is a consideration.

DAVIS: A lot of people in that area just don't really support who we have as president. And they say they're not signing up, because of who is in office.

MCINTYRE: But there is no secret about the biggest obstacle recruiters have to overcome. It's not the reluctance of recruits, but of their parents.

So the Army's latest ad campaign is aimed directly at them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So dad, there's something I need to tell you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much is this going to cost me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, it's not like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it the motorcycle thing again?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE; It's not the motorcycle. It's about what you said the other day about doing something for myself, maybe something important.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Go ahead.

DAVIS: Oh I say, well, ma'am, your son or daughter can get killed right out there on the street of Atlanta. And, you know, when you compare the numbers of people that have died as a result of combat, compared to the numbers that die here in the metro Atlanta area, I don't -- you would think there was more war going on here.

MCINTYRE: Sergeant Davis says the No. 1 question asked by potential recruits is -- will I go to war? His answer, there's a 50/50 chance. Jamie McIntyre, CNN, the Pentagon.

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LIN: He didn't just crack the mafia, he became the mafia. And now Joe Pastone is telling us the secrets from the organization that he was part of for more than 20 years.

And we're talking health when CNN LIVE SUNDAY returns. Want to stay young forever, or at least feel pretty young? From exercise to what foods -- exactly what foods you need to eat, straight ahead.

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LIN: Everyone wants to know the secrets to longevity. What is it to keep us young and healthy? Well, a new best selling book says the secrets to living longer lies simply in what we eat and what we do. The book is called "You: the Owner's Manual." While the concepts and ideas are not necessarily revolutionary, they are surprising.

Authors, Dr. Mehmet Oz and Michael Roizon join me from now New York. Good to see both of you.

And what I love about this book, is that it literally is an owner's manual. I mean, you take people from A to Z, the very basics of the body. And if we know how the machine works, maybe we'll know how to take care of it.

Dr. Oz, let me start with you, is there a -- a myth that we have about our bodies? I mean, if you wanted us to know one thing about our bodies, what would it be?

DR. MEHMET OZ, "YOU: THE OWNERS MANUAL": The most important myth is you cannot test yourself to safety. And what that means is you can get the tests you want -- ultra fast CT scans, total body scans, every blood test you can imagine. At the end of the day, they're a simple spot moment in your life. The only way to truly live healthy is to behave healthily. And that's what the book is really about, to give you the simple lessons you need to allow you to live the life you deserve.

LIN: OK. Let's talk about fuel in, fuel out. What we eat. Because you spend a lot of time on that. Dr. Roizen, is there a No. 1 anti-aging food?

DR. MICHAEL ROIZEN, "YOU: THE OWNER'S MANUAL": Well, the best foods are those that look like when you eat them, they came right out of the ground. So...

LIN: That doesn't sound very appealing.

ROIZEN: Well, God didn't make any white bread trees, so you avoid white bread. And have fruits, vegetables -- if I was going to say there are great foods, the most important number you can know is your blood pressure. You can do it easily with a device like this.

And there are foods that help you keep the pressure down, foods that are rich in potassium and folate like orange juice, spinach, avocados. Those a great foods.

They are foods to help you keep your immune system well such as nuts, walnuts and tomatoes. So those are some of the foods. But if the basic rule is, if you eat it, the way it looks like it is in natural in the earth or that's great food.

LIN: Dr. Oz, what are the foods, if you name three to get rid of that you hear people eating almost on a daily basis or weekly basis, what would they did be?

OZ: Well, the first is not food, it's soda pop. It's carbonated beverages with lots of sugar in them. And those should come out of your diet. The second are all fried foods. There's just no excuse for that. You can take the healthiest food in the world -- salmon -- and fry it, and it's no longer the healthy...

LIN: Oh, really? Oh, because it's the fastest way to cook it, to be honest with you.

OZ: It is. And the last is white foods. Just cut the white foods out.

What's that? White bread, white rice, white pasta. You can have alternatives, but get them the way they were made naturally.

LIN: All right. You just wiped out my toddler's entire diet. But that's for another day.

All right. Let's talk about skin care. There are a plethora of skin products out there that make promises, but if there's one ingredient, one product that we should buy to keep our skin healthier and looking younger, what would it be?

ROIZEN: It's alpha hydroxy acid or AHA, or glycolic alph hydroxy acid. What it does is tricks your skin into thinking it needs to produce more of itself. So, you do produce more of itself and you get younger. Your skin looks younger.

LIN: And you actually don't have to buy the most expensive product, right?

ROIZEN: Right. Most of the most expensive products are the smell of them or some other things in them. The alpha hydroxy acid is a relatively cheap product.

Now, there's one other trick for your skin. And that's an aspirin a day or half of a regular aspirin, or two baby aspirins.

LIN: Why?

ROIZEN: Because one of the things that ages your skin the most is inflammation. Whether it's inflammation from the sun, or inflammation from cigarettes or natural inflammation, that ages it. And aspirin is incredibly effective at preventing that.

LIN: All right. So Dr. Oz, some of these solutions, does that mean, I can look, you know, 35 for the rest of my life? I mean, at some point, we do get older and we die.

OZ: Well, you get older and you die. But you can enjoy the life you're living. And one of the biggest challenges for our generation is that we're going to live longer than we're supposed to. And we want to look the best we can and live the best we can.

So in addition to what Mike pointed out, protecting your son from the biggest damager of all, the son, is critically important. You should wear SPF 30 or even 45. They cost the same every day your in the sun. It is a critically important way to live better.

LIN: We have a full screen that we want to show the audience, because you actually -- you both actually say that if people make these life saving changes, that they can reduce their chance of death or disability by 90 percent. That is an astonishing number.

And they're pretty simple solutions like -- well, Dr. Roizen, you talked about controlling blood pressure, avoiding tobacco, exercise 30 minutes a day, manage stress, healthy diet. We talked about the diet. Managing stress -- I mean, it's a stressful life. What do you mean by stress? Most of the stress we encounter, you know, we like to think inflicted upon us, right?

ROIZEN: There are two stresses that we call make your real age older. Those stresses are the major life stresses. They're 13 of them. Getting divorced, forcing a move, being sued, a friend or relative that's very close to you being ill. That's a major life stress.

The other stresses that age us are what we call nagging unfinished tasks. The screen door that has a hole in it that every time you come home, you see it and it bothers you that you haven't fixed it. Our usual running around, picking up the kids, having to do this, meeting deadlines, those things you deal with and don't age you. So it is the ones that are major life stresses or the nagging, unfinished tasks.

And there are easy ways to deal with it: having friends, refocusing activity whether through meditation or group activity or religious activity -- whatever you do to refocus -- exercise. These things are all great helping you manage stress so it doesn't age you.

LIN: Wow. All right. Great solutions. Simple solutions. Something everybody can do. May we live long and prosper. Thanks so much.

OZ: Thank you very much.

ROIZEN: Thank you.

LIN: Dr. Oz, Dr. Roizen, great advice, terrific book.

OZ: One last point, the book is wonderful for men.

LIN: You know what? You are right. It's not girlie book at all. All right.

OZ: Think about it for Father's Day.

LIN: Oh my goodness, you two. I'm going to talk to your publisher. Thanks so much.

All right. He was the real Donnie Brascoe -- Joe Pastone, the FBI undercover agent who infiltrated the mafia is back with a look inside the drug trade and the assassinations that made the organization. He's going to join me live next.

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BRAD GARRETT, COMEDIAN: Happy anniversary CNN. 25 years and still going strong.

(END VIDEO CLIP) LIN: Getting to know the ins and outs of the mob is dangerous business, but that didn't frighten off Joe Pastone. He immersed himself in the mob life an as undercover agent for the FBI for more than 20 years. He's perhaps best known as Donnie Brasco, his alias. And the name of the best selling book.

But now he's got a new book out. And it's featured in the National Geographic show, "Inside the Mafia." Joe Pastone joins me now from New York.

Joe, 20 years in the mob that you were under cover. You had to prove yourself. I mean, you went nearly to the top. What is it that you did to convince them that you were the real deal when you were under cover?

JOE PASTONE, FRM. FBI AGENT: Well basically, Carol, what I did was just -- I was myself. I kept my own personality. And I had a legend of being a jewel thief and burglar which I knew, you know, I knew about. So -- and a lot of good communications with individuals that I first met in the mafia.

LIN: But you were told at one point, I mean, you rose so high that to get to the next step, to be at the top of the game in the drug trade, that you would have to assassinate somebody. That was the point that the FBI pulled you out, right?

PASTONE: That's correct. There was a war going on within the Bonnano crime family -- that's the family I was with. And several individuals had gotten killed. And I had gotten contracts to kill two other individuals.

And, at that point in time, I had been proposed for membership in the family. And due to the killings going on -- and I was targeted myself to get killed, and also, the fact that, you know, as an FBI agent, I couldn't go out and carry out a contract hit, we had to terminate the operation.

LIN: You had to terminate the operation. And shortly after the termination, your boss, Sonny Block (sic), was killed himself.

PASTONE: Yes. When it was determined who I was Sonny Black was killed 17 days later. That's correct.

LIN: What was life inside the mob like? What did you actually have to do? I mean did you ever have to -- did you sell drugs? Did you beat people up? Did you torture anyone?

PASTONE: Well, I never tortured anyone. But yes, I was involved in illegal activities. I was involved in doing some narcotics deals, involved in moving swag, which is stolen goods and I had some physical confrontations with several individuals.

LIN: Physical confrontations, what's that -- that's polite a description, isn't it?

PASTONE: Yes. Very polite. LIN: Very polite indeed.

All right, you also observed that mobsters, they lead two very distinct lives. One at the -- shall we say at the office and a very different one at home with their families. What do you mean by that?

PASTONE: Well, you know, most mobsters don't go to an office every day but most of them are very family oriented. You know, they have -- they care about their kids. They care about their mothers, their fathers. But when they're at the social club, it is strictly mob business.

The one thing to remember is that the -- these individuals that are officially members of a mafia family, the mafia comes first. It's a mafia, then your other family, and then church and country.

LIN: How did your own family deal with this?

PASTONE: Well, when I -- obviously, my family knew I was a FBI agent and had no idea that I was immersed into this undercover operation to the extent that I was.

LIN: How do you deal with what you've seen and done?

PASTONE: Well, you know, you have to be a realist. And I am a realist. And I know that there are evil people in the world. And, these people, you just deal with and your job as a FBI agent or another law enforcement officer is to hopefully gather evidence to put them in jail.

LIN: The evil people, they're still out there and watching you on television right now. Do you still fear for your life?

PASTONE: No. You know, I don't fear for my life. I take precautions. What you worry about is a cowboy, somebody that wants to make a name for themselves. But you know, when that comes along, you deal with it.

LIN: Why do you think you are still alive?

PASTONE: Because I know how to stay alive. And I have, you know, I have the backing of the FBI so...

LIN: Because writing a book and doing a four-hour series for national geographic is not exactly the witness protection program.

PASTONE: No. And, you know being a FBI agent, former FBI agent, you are not eligible for the Witness Protection Program. But in this documentary, "Inside the Mafia," it gives a pretty good description of what both the Italian and Sicilian mafia is about and how as an FBI agent I was able to infiltrate and stay alive later.

LIN: Joe Pastone, thank you very much. We look forward to it. It debuts tomorrow night.

PASTONE: Thank you. LIN: On the National Geographic Channel.

PASTONE: Thank you.

LIN: That's all the time we have for this hour.

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