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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, breaking news. Eighteen-year-old Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway disappeared into thin air during her high school senior trip. And tonight, the mystery intensifies on the tiny island of Aruba. In the last 24 hours, a fourth suspect behind bars tonight in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
No body has been found. Is there a hope this girl is still alive?
And tonight, we need your help in the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger. She`s a 20-year-old freshman at BYU gone missing.
And his name is Dr. Nyce. But he did brutally beat his cheating wife to death? Cracking this case, it`s all about forensics.
GRACE: Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. And I want to thank you for being with us tonight.
Dr. Jonathan Nyce, a prominent New Jersey scientist and medical researcher, stands charged tonight with the brutal murder of his wife after her body was found in what at first to be appearing as a car crash.
And tonight, please help us. The desperate search for a college freshman, Brooke Wilberger, is not forgotten.
But first, breaking news in the Natalee Holloway case. Aruba police take a fourth suspect into custody tonight.
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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: The frustration is unimaginable. It`s unimaginable. And I have waited, and I have waited, and I have waited, and I have listened, and I have heard lie after lie after lie unfold. And I have to have some answers, and I better get them soon.
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GRACE: That`s Natalee`s mother.
Tonight, in Atlanta, defense attorney Lisa Wayne; in New York, defense attorney David Schwartz; psychiatrist Dr. Joseph Deltito is with us.
But first, let`s go down to Aruba and CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Karl, an incredible development, yet a fourth suspect behind bars tonight. Why?
KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The fourth suspect that has been arrested has been named as Steven Croes, Steve Croes. Police arrested him around dawn.
What the chief police commissioner, Jan Van Der Straaten, told me when I talked to him was that his name had come up during an interrogation of the three young suspects already in custody for around ten days. What we`re also hearing is that this arrest could have been based on some kind of electronic surveillance.
Steve Croes is a D.J. on the tattoo party boat. That`s 150-foot three-deck catamaran that sails just off the west coast of Aruba with partygoers on board, usually in the evenings. And he is the D.J. on that ship. But his boss, Marcus Williams (sic), has also told us that he is an experienced seaman, as well, Nancy.
GRACE: You know what, Karl Penhaul, a lot of what you`re telling me, very, very interesting the fact that no sight nor sound, hide nor hair of Natalee Holloway, and you`re saying this guy D.J.s on a cruise ship. Explain that. What, does he go out for the evening, they party hardy, and then come back?
PENHAUL: Exactly that cruise ship, called the tattoo party boat, like I say, a 110-foot catamaran, that usually leaves the pier in front of the Aruba Grand Hotel. That`s about 300 yards down the beach from the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying. That boat leaves most evenings at around 8 o`clock in the evening, gets back about 12 o`clock.
The staff, the crew of the boat, are usually leaving the pier and going home around 1 o`clock. But according to the owner, that boat generally doesn`t go out on a Sunday night, unless, of course, there`s a special party booked. You`ll remember that Natalee Holloway went missing late Sunday night, very early Monday morning -- Nancy?
GRACE: Karl, do we know if there was a special party booked that Sunday night that she went missing?
PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy.
GRACE: Hmm. Let me quickly go to David Schwartz, defense attorney. David, these three guys, Van Der Sloot and the other two young guys that took Natalee, it was not against her will, but went with her from the bar that night. At this juncture, they`re being held separately. They`ve not been able to meet with their family.
David, don`t you believe they`ll be willing to say anything to pin this on somebody else, not saying they did it, but to just get the heat off them?
DAVID SCHWARTZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, at this point, from a defense standpoint, Nancy, they should just shut their mouths at this point. They`re being detained on a murder case. And you know, they should have the right not to speak.
Now, I don`t understand how it works in Aruba. Every time somebody`s name gets popped around, they could go ahead and arrest people.
GRACE: We don`t know that. We don`t know that. These three people have been...
SCHWARTZ: We know that about the two security guards, Nancy. We know that they went out and arrested these two security guards. I`d still like to know what evidence they had against these two security guards to hold them from the time that they did.
GRACE: Dr. Joseph Deltito, these three have been behind bars for a considerable period of time. I doubt very seriously that just because somebody`s name pops up they get arrested. Look how long it took to get these three behind bars. But what I`m thinking about right now, remember the two Kalpoe brothers spoke to the security guards?
Everybody, you were just looking at a shot of Van Der Sloot, the judge`s son, and the Kalpoe brothers. These three are the ones behind bars in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. We know that they were willing to lay the blame on the security guards, OK? So how do we know anything`s different with this fourth suspect?
JOSEPH DELTITO, PSYCHIATRIST: No, we don`t know what they`re saying, and they may just have offered a name, as you say, just to get attention away from them.
GRACE: Heat off them.
DELTITO: You really don`t know. And we don`t know where this guy, Croes, fits into the whole story right now. So it`s speculation based on not much evidence that we can really work with.
GRACE: Dr. Deltito, take a listen to this.
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TWITTY: I really didn`t speak with all three of the suspects. Only one of the suspects approached the vehicle that I was seated in. And what was given to me from him was a very condescending, arrogant, and very cold and somewhat powerful attitude.
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GRACE: That`s Natalee`s mother. She is vowing not to leave the island without her girl, Natalee Holloway.
Back to Karl Penhaul, CNN correspondent there in Aruba. Karl, you mentioned electronic surveillance. Now, what that means to me, in America, would either be a wiretap, a GPS locator. What kind of electronic surveillance has led to the arrest of the fourth suspect, Steve Croes?
PENHAUL: Well, we don`t know for sure that it was, in fact, electronic surveillance. That is one theory that is being put out, because police themselves are being tight-lipped.
The police commissioner, Van Der Straaten, did tell me that the name came up during interrogation in part of the investigation. When I got back to him and asked him about the possibility of electronic surveillance, we wouldn`t go further into this. Of course, we do know that the investigators and police are playing cards very close to their chest in order not to prejudice their investigation at this stage, Nancy.
GRACE: Lisa Wayne, when we`re talking about electronic surveillance, we`re normally talking about a wiretap, that could be a cell phone, a home phone, even a pay phone that someone is known to use.
And Lisa, another issue is, from the time that these three young men were taken into custody, and now, many days later, almost two weeks later, that is plenty of time to get authority for a wiretap and to listen to it, Lisa Wayne.
LISA WAYNE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree. I mean, maybe someone`s phone number came up on one of their phones. Maybe they`re trying to set up some phone calls. I mean, you know, it seems like the police are casting a very broad net.
We don`t know if that`s the pressure of this mother, and they need some leads, and they`re trying to develop things as they come. But maybe they set up a phone call. Maybe they got a phone number off one of these kids` phones. And that could be the surveillance.
GRACE: Very quickly, back to Karl Penhaul, Karl, before we go to break, what can you tell me about this fourth suspect, his age, his family situation, what?
PENHAUL: He`s a 26-year-old, originally born on Curacao, but he has lived on Aruba for many years now. He`s a recent divorcee. He`s the father of a 2-year-old son. He was living in the town of Santa Cruz. That`s a town in the center of the island near the national park. He was living at that house with his grandfather and his grandmother, living next door to his uncle. His uncle is a retired police chief inspector, Nancy.
GRACE: Karl, what if any connection is there between -- this is a grown man, he`s a 26-year-old divorced father -- and these three young guys who are partying hardy at Carlos and Charlie`s. What`s the connection?
PENHAUL: Police and prosecutors haven`t told us of any connection. But talking to Steven Croes` boss, Marcus Williams, he says that he believes that he knew one of the Kalpoe brothers through the Internet Cafe. Now, we know that Deepak, the eldest of the Kalpoe brothers, the 21-year- old, worked at the Cyberzone Internet Cafe. And it seems as it`s there where he knew Steve Croes, Nancy.
GRACE: We are live in Aruba tonight with CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. In a stunning new development in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, a fourth suspect behind bars tonight. Is there a break in the case? Please stay with us.
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TWITTY: When I say it`s just beginning, I think everyone can see. Everyone can see that. It`s just beginning, because we don`t even have one answer yet. We have to find Natalee. They have to find our daughter.
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DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: The people here has been have been absolutely amazing. We`ve been with Red Cross on some occasions. And those ladies have been awesome. And it`s truly -- the whole island wants to be helpful and wants resolution to this case.
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GRACE: That is Natalee Holloway`s father, also there on Aruba.
Welcome back, everybody. A stunning development in the Natalee Holloway search. As you know, the Alabama beauty, also an honors student with a full scholarship at University of Alabama waiting on her upon her return, went missing on her senior trip. Tonight, a fourth suspect behind bars.
Straight down to Aruba and CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Karl, take a listen to what Steve Croes` employer had to say.
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MARCUS HIGGINS, FOURTH SUSPECT`S EMPLOYER: He had told me that he had a friendship with one of the -- a superficial friendship, in the sense that I believe they went to the same Internet caf' and that he did know one of the suspects. And that was all that he had ever told me about his association with this disappearance.
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GRACE: You know, Karl Penhaul, it disturbed a lot of legal experts that it took so long for Aruban police to seize the car Natalee left the bar in that night, the night of her disappearance. So I understand that, today, Steve Croes, the fourth suspect arrested, they`ve already searched his home. Is that true?
PENHAUL: We don`t know how thorough the search of his home was. By the time that we arrived at Steve Croes` home in midmorning, possibly four hours, five hours after the arrest, there was no sign of police there. Steve Croes` uncle told us that police came and left pretty quickly.
What we do know is that Steve Croes` car, a black Honda, was still parked in the driveway outside the house. What we also know is that tattoo party boat, where Steve Croes was D.J., has not been searched by police. And Steve Croes` employer, Marcus Wiggins, not Williams, as I said earlier, but Wiggins, has said that he has not been contacted by the police to give any references or, in fact, to ask any more about the boat itself, Nancy.
GRACE: Karl, I`m stunned. History is repeating itself. Aruba police, listen! Search the guy`s car. Search the cruise ship. Talk to everybody this guy knows.
David Schwartz, have you ever seen anything like it? You think this guy may be connected to the disappearance of an American girl. They take him into custody, and his car is sitting there in the driveway. Hello? Search it! Fiber, hair, semen, blood, fingerprints, same thing for the boat. What are they thinking?
SCHWARTZ: You stole my thunder, Nancy. I totally agree with you. I`ve never heard of anything like this. Where I practice, the arrest is made, the search warrants are in place, and then they search either the house or the car. Sure, there`s evidence -- there is potential evidence there.
There could be DNA, there could be hair fibers, there could be semen, there could be condoms, there could be e-mails, computers, anything.
SCHWARTZ: And also, with Van Der Sloot, don`t forget, it took them ten days. What is going on there? How could it take them ten days? It`s OK for them to detain Van Der Sloot, but then again, the attorney general stated that he would be acting like a cowboy if he just ran into the house. I don`t understand it.
GRACE: Well, that is what search warrants are for.
Back to Karl Penhaul, Karl, you mention the Internet cafe. Do we have any idea whether Natalee Holloway logged on to her e-mail while she was down there? You know, there is the Internet cafes, cruise ships have Internet for Americans that want to use it. Any idea about that?
PENHAUL: We don`t have any exact feed on that, Nancy. What I can tell you about the Internet is that, during the search of the Kalpoe brothers` houses around ten days ago, the CPU, the hard drive of a computer, was seized from that house and taken away.
A law enforcement source close to this investigation has said that that computer is still being searched. Internet information is being analyzed. But that source didn`t tell us whether that has produced any leads.
What we also know is that Joran Van Der Sloot, on a number of occasions, went to the Cyberzone Internet Cafe to meet his friend, Deepak Kalpoe, who is an employee at the Cyberzone Cafe. And what we also understand, from the owner of the Cyberzone Caf', is that none of the hard drives or none of the computers from the Cyberzone Cafe where Deepak worked have been impounded or seized, Nancy.
GRACE: Oh, when will it end? You know, I hate to keep comparing it to the American investigation, but the first thing you do is look at the e- mail, the hard drives of all of the computers that these suspects had access to. What can you tell me about a helicopter equipped with infrared technology, Karl? Was it used?
PENHAUL: That`s what we understand. I haven`t seen the helicopter, but I have heard talk of that helicopter, equipped possibly with a forward- looking infrared camera, a heat-seeking camera, if you like, Nancy.
What we do also know from the search-and-rescue teams here is that the Dutch marines at a certain stage of this search did bring in what they call the mole. That`s also a device that is typically used for searching mines and that kind of thing. I don`t believe that on this occasion it was used to search mines. But search-and-rescue do tell us it was used in searches in parts of the island, a pretty sophisticated piece of equipment, Nancy.
GRACE: Well, Karl, I`m very familiar with the mole. It`s used to search specifically mines that have been flooded with water, quite often. It can go down and detect if there is another object in the water. Now, it`s my understanding there are mines, vacant mines, abandoned mines, at one end of the island in Aruba. Is that true?
PENHAUL: Toward the northern side of the island, there are abandoned gold mine shafts. Those were abandoned about 100 years ago when the gold mining industry came to an end here on the island.
Some of those mines, we`re told by search-and-rescue teams, are very deep. They haven`t been blocked off. And yes, they are flooded, in large part with seawater, Nancy. We don`t know for sure. And the search-and- rescue leaders weren`t able to tell us if other agencies such as police and the marines have searched them.
GRACE: Karl, any particular reason these abandoned mines are not blocked off?
PENHAUL: Nothing that I can detect. Some of them are blocked off. Others have been partially filled with debris and such like. But others, we understand, are still open, but no reason why they`ve been left open.
GRACE: Karl Penhaul joining us from Aruba with the latest in the search for an 18-year-old missing American girl, Natalee Holloway.
Quickly to "Trial Tracking." Tonight, convicted child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller may have had as many as 36,000 victims. During a search of Schwartzmiller`s bedroom, police discover massive binders filled with child porn, logs of children`s names and codes that appear to indicate exactly how he molested each child. Police believe Schwartzmiller`s crimes, that we know of so far, span five states in the U.S., Mexico and Brazil.
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LT. SCOTT CORNFIELD, SAN JOSE POLICE: These binders contain thousands, literally thousands, of names of children that we believe Mr. Schwartzmiller may have molested.
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GRACE: Schwartzmiller`s roommate, also a convicted sex offender, arrested and charged in new molestation counts.
GRACE: This is 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger. She is now 20. She`s a freshman at BYU. What a beauty. And she is missing. We need your help.
Very quickly tonight, let`s go to Eugene, Oregon. Brooke Wilberger`s mother, Cami Wilberger is with us.
But first to Portland, Oregon, and KOIN reporter Drew Mikkelsen. Drew, bring us up-to-date.
DREW MIKKELSEN, KOIN REPORTER COVERING STORY: Well, Nancy, it`s been just over a year now, May 24, 2004, that 19-year-old girl, Brooke Wilberger, disappeared from Corvallis, Oregon, small town here in the state of Oregon. But this is a story that`s been getting a lot of attention over the last year-plus.
She disappeared in the middle of the day, broad daylight. She was working at her sister and brother-in-law`s apartment complex. Just home for the summer making a living, and then she vanished. She was last seen washing some of the light fixtures out in the parking lot of the apartment complex, and then disappeared.
All that was left behind were some sandals, and a bucket of soapy water that she had been using. We talked with the police and with the Wilberger family last month, as the year anniversary came. And the police admitted that really they didn`t have much more to work with today than they did on May 24, 2004.
The family, as I`m sure you`re about to hear, refuses to give up hope, though. They have been a lot of touch with the Smart family. And so they know that sometimes these sort of situations can have happy endings.
They`re holding out hope. They know that the chances of her being found alive diminish every day. But this has been a story that everyone in the state of Oregon has been paying a lot of attention to and probably our most emotional story over the last year.
GRACE: I have only got a few moments before we go break, but, Drew, what can you tell me about this girl?
MIKKELSEN: Well, she was a 19-year-old student from BYU, home for the summer. As you have seen there in the pictures, blonde, tall, tall, young lady. And she just vanished.
The family said she didn`t have any problems, didn`t have any enemies. No one has any logical explanation for why she would have left. They don`t think she ran away. And they haven`t been able to see her since.
GRACE: Quick break, everybody. We`re going to be right back with Brooke`s mother.
As we go to break, we at NANCY GRACE want very much to help solve unsolved homicides, find missing people. Tonight, take a look at Brenda Heist, 45-years-old, mother of two. Brenda disappeared Feb. 2002 from Lititz, Pennsylvania. If you have any information on this woman, Brenda Heist, please, call the Carole Sund Carrington Foundation toll-free, 888- 813-8389. Please help us.
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BROOKE WILBERGER, MISSING FOR A YEAR: Hey, Mom, this is Brooke. I know you`re at Justin`s (ph) recital or visiting with Pat. But if you get this message, give me a call because I just wanted to know if -- when you guys were getting home, if you`ve already eaten, if you haven`t eaten, if you want me to make something. Anyway, just give me a call. OK. `Bye.
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GRACE: The voice of this young girl, Brooke Wilberger, a freshman at BYU, Brigham Young University. With us now, her mother, Cami Wilberger. Cami, tell us what you recall of the last day you saw Brooke.
CAMI WILBERGER, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL: I saw Brooke the morning that she went missing. That morning -- I`m a teacher. I got up, got ready for school, and she was getting ready to go Corvallis to spend three days with her sister, working at the apartment complex. And I went in, gave her a big hug and kissed her, and told her I loved her and went out the door.
GRACE: Cami, what -- knowing all the evidence that you know of -- you`re in touch with the police -- what do you believe is the best guess as to where Brooke is?
WILBERGER: Well, as a parent, we hope that she`s still alive. That hope is faint as the time goes on. We`re not sure where she is. You know, we believe she was abducted. It was a stranger abduction. And we`re just hoping that some tip will come in that will lead them to where we can find her and bring her home.
GRACE: Dr. Deltito, what about this suggests a stranger-on-stranger abduction?
DELTITO: Well, she had just arrived there. It wasn`t her usual place. She wasn`t known to frequent it. She was out washing or cleaning something. The bucket was found with her flip-flops...
GRACE: Well, she was where she was supposed to be. She working at a job, on break at an apartment complex, cleaning outside.
GRACE: She was cleaning some lamps. That was her job for that day, cleaning some lamps in the parking lot.
DELTITO: Right. So it sounded like she just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Certainly sounds like she was taken by somebody.
GRACE: What else suggests stranger-on-stranger...
DELTITO: That the flip-flops were there, that the shoes were there. I believe her car was nearby. Her keys or her wallet or some other personal effects, that if she would have bolted or taken off in some way, she would have had with her. It didn`t seem like anyone that was around her that day, that there was any conflict going on.
GRACE: Mrs. Wilberger, question. Had Brooke ever left before without telling you?
WILBERGER: No. No.
GRACE: Take a listen to this.
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LT. RON NOBLE, CORVALLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT: I`m somewhat encouraged, in that at least we have some persons of interest that have been developed from the tips. And we want to encourage more tips. I still think this is a matter of gathering the right pieces, so we can put the puzzle together. And the more tips we get, it`s going to help us out.
JACK ROGERS, DIR. OF PUBLIC SAFETY, OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY: The fact that it was Brooke, who`s to say it couldn`t have been somebody else? Those calls are coming in, and we`re using those calls as an opportunity to reassure the parents that we`re doing everything we can.
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GRACE: To Cami Wilberger Was Brooke dating anyone at the time?
WILBERGER: She really wasn`t dating anyone. She had a special friend who was on a mission in Venezuela. In fact, he`s getting home tonight.
GRACE: Back to Drew Mikkelsen, KOIN reporter. Drew, did the police have any suspects? Where are they now in the investigation for Brooke Wilberger?
MIKKELSEN: Well, they don`t share everything with us, as you can imagine, but what we`ve been told is that they have had more than 60 people that they have looked at as what they call the persons of interest -- 60 people have been on this list in the last 13 months or so. And last we heard, they had two people on that list. They are not sharing the names of those persons of interest with us.
But they say that throughout all those tips, they`ve had some people come up. They`ve looked at the obvious people, as far as sex offenders, people who have been involved in recent kidnappings or similar attacks with similar sorts of victims. But as of now, it`s still a mystery. As we said, 60 people have been looked at. And they are keeping one full-time detective on this case at all times. If they have a few tips come in, as they have since the one-year anniversary, they`ll put a few more detectives on it. But right now, they are not treating this as a cold case, by any means.
GRACE: Take a listen to this.
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NOBLE: Last night, towards the end of the searching on the east side of the river, searchers came across something that appeared to be just strange. We have no indication that Brooke is there. That is not what`s going on. But to be honest with you, we don`t know what is there.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have no specific tips or anything that draws us here, other than Corvallis asking us to just eliminate this area as something that might have evidence or a clue or anything that may help them locate Brooke.
Currently, there is not an end in sight. And at the point where they think that our resources and the volunteer resources can be used in a better way, we`ll switch our strategy.
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GRACE: Drew, what can you tell me about a green van?
MIKKELSEN: Yes. Well, about three weeks ago, right after the year anniversary, police released some information about a green Dodge van that they were looking for. And they actually weren`t looking for the van, they were looking for people who may have seen the van a year ago, on May 24, 2004. They were asking for two things. One, they wanted to speak with a man named Brian, who called 911, saying that he had seen a green van driving erratically through a real small town about a half hour north of where Brooke was last seen. But that`s the only description they got. That 911 call was disconnected. They never were able to call that 911 caller back. All they know is that his name is Brian, and they would desperately like to speak with him.
They also wanted to know if anyone had seen a green Dodge van like that anywhere suspicious, on the side of a road, on a forest road, near a river, around the time of her disappearance. They admitted it was kind of a shot in the dark, looking out, you know, a year later. But they were hoping to get something, and they haven`t yet.
GRACE: Drew, this green van -- now, you said the list of suspects -- people of interest, once that 60 has been honed down to about 2, are either of these two linked to a green van?
MIKKELSEN: We`re told one of the two is associated with the van -- doesn`t own the van but is associated with it. And police have been in contact with that person of interest. It`s not clear whether or not they`ve actually inspected that van. But they just want to find out where that suspect, or I`m sorry, that person of interest was on May 24, 2004. If he happened to be in this small town, if that Brian saw a license plate, they want to try to piece that together. They`re trying to see if that person of interest truly is a person of interest.
GRACE: Back to Cami Wilberger. This is Brooke`s mom. Mrs. Wilberger, What can you tell us about Brooke? What is she like? What does she do? What are her favorite things? Where would she go?
WILBERGER: Oh, she`s a really vivacious, full-of-life young woman. She likes all sorts of things. She`s just fun to be with. She likes the beach. You know, we`re certain that she didn`t leave on her own. And so I don`t know, you know, where she would be that way. But we just really miss her and know that she was taken by someone.
GRACE: Is there a reward, Cami?
WILBERGER: Yes, there is. There`s a reward for any information to the whereabouts of Brooke. It doesn`t have to be for her safe return. I think any information that`s valid, there`s $6,000, and that`s for any piece of information. And then there`s a large sum also available for the safe return of Brooke.
GRACE: Cami, what was she studying?
WILBERGER: She was actually looking into speech therapy.
GRACE: She is a beautiful girl. Everyone, take a look at Brooke Wilberger. Elizabeth, do we have a number for people to dial if they have any information regarding Brooke? You`re putting it up? There you go, 1- 800-THE-LOST.
Cami Wilberger with us tonight, Brooke`s mother, the search still on for this Brigham Young University freshman, Brooke Wilberger. Thank you, Cami. Thank you so much for being with us. And also to KOIN reporter Drew Mikkelsen, thank you.
WILBERGER: Thank you.
MIKKELSEN: Thank you.
GRACE: Quickly, to tonight`s "All Points Bulletin." FBI and law enforcement across the country on the lookout for this man. Wayne Silsbee, wanted in connection with multiple sex assaults on several girls between ages 8 and 10 in Oregon in the mid-`90s. Silsbee, 49 years old, 6-2, 270 pounds, brown receding hair, blue eyes. If you have any information on Silsbee, call the FBI, 503-224-4181.
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DR. JONATHAN NYCE, CHARGED WITH MURDERING HIS WIFE: I never had any ill intent toward my wife at any point, and this, what happened, was a pure accident.
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GRACE: All the money and education in the world may not be able to get Dr. Nyce out of jail. He is facing serious charges in the death of his wife. At first, it appeared to be a car crash. Next thing you know, police are looking at him. Tonight, in New York, "New York Times" contributor Jonathan Miller. Straight to Jonathan Miller. What is the story?
JONATHAN MILLER, "NEW YORK TIMES" CONTRIBUTOR: Well, the story is this, that Dr. Nyce was very successful head of a pharmaceutical company, and he had come up with a very successful drug, it seemed. And then things started to go awry. The company started going downhill. He was, in fact, very deep into debt. And it turns out that his wife was cheating on him. And that was apparently something that sent him into, you know, a bit of a tailspin.
And what happened was on the night of January 15, 2004, there was a tryst between Mrs. Nyce and her lover, a landscaper who worked at the house. And when he returned -- when Mrs. Nyce returned, in fact, to her home, Dr. Nyce was there, waiting for her. And he claims there was an altercation and he accidentally pushed her down. That is a matter that prosecutors say is unlikely, that, in fact...
GRACE: So his defense is he pushed her down and she died?
MILLER: Well, when he...
GRACE: He pushed her down and she died?
MILLER: What he is saying is that she, in fact, went after him with some sort of weapon or knife, an object that investigators have not been able to find, in fact. And then he, in fact, took her, after he had apparently pushed her into the concrete in the garage, into the car, drove her down to the creek about a mile from the house and left her there. And investigators, in fact, found her the next day and quickly concluded it was not an accident.
GRACE: Any defensive wounds on the doctor`s body?
MILLER: There was some marks on the hands that they were able to find, some cuts. that sort of thing. And that sort of evidence, it seems like, is the only thing that was found on him. But there was other physical evidence that was found in his house, some blood, in fact. Some boots that were found in tracks in the snow away from the car seemed to match...
GRACE: Oh, good Lord! Are you telling me the man actually left footprints from the car crash to his house?
MILLER: Well, he left boot prints from the car in the creek, and those seem to match boots that he then cut up and left in the basement of his house.
GRACE: Jonathan, apparently, you cannot see me because when I said car crash, I put it in quoteys. I got you. I know it probably wasn`t a single car crash.
Very quickly, I think we need a shrink right now, Jonathan. To Dr. Deltito. Tailspin. Tailspin. Am I smelling an insanity defense? She cheats, so has a tailspin defense?
DELTITO: Well, you know, the impulse that one cannot control to kill someone is not a good defense these days.
DELTITO: One has to have at least a formal...
GRACE: See, I was mad, so acquit me.
DELTITO: ... at least a formal psychiatric illness that was rearing its ugly head at the time. We can imagine the guy was upset. We don`t know what she said to him, what exactly transpired. He was very angry. Maybe it was some sort of manslaughter, not murder. I don`t know.
GRACE: Well, just because you an argument does not necessarily negate a murder charge.
Take a listen to this.
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JOE BOCCHINI, MERCER COUNTY PROSECUTOR: She had had a meeting with her paramour earlier in the evening and was returning from that rendezvous. When she pulled into the garage, that`s when she was accosted by her husband. defendant indicates that he pulled her from the car, and then he smashed her head to the garage floor.
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GRACE: To Jonathan Miller. It`s my understanding that Mrs. Nyce is a native from the Philippines.
MILLER: Yes, that`s right.
GRACE: And they met through an ad in a magazine. What kind of ad, something to do with a bride, possibly?
MILLER: Well, what happened in this case -- what Michelle (ph) and Jonathan told one another -- friends, in fact, when they were married, was that they met each other on a beach in Hawaii when he was at a conference there. Now, what the family of Michelle, when I spoke to them, told me was that they met through a pen pal arrangement, that he found an ad in a paper when he was in North Carolina, and started corresponding with each other. Now, they claim that there was no money exchanged. So the conclusion -- you can make your own, I suppose.
GRACE: Well, Jonathan, that`s quite a comment on the courtship, there was no money exchanged. OK, I`ll keep that in mind.
Very quickly, to Lisa Wayne. Do you remember Robert Durst, the multi- millionaire, that admitted to the jury, Yes, I cut my neighbor`s head off and threw it in Galveston Bay, but it was self-defense to start with? That`s where this is going. He`s claiming self-defense, and then he set up a car accident to hide the death.
LISA WAYNE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I don`t know if he set it up, Nancy. I think probably it looks like he panicked.
GRACE: Well, he said he did.
WAYNE: I mean, this -- well, he panicked. I mean, this is a guy who clearly panicked. He`s been betrayed by his wife with a paramour that he knows, who`s not a nice guy, who there is an indication that this is a guy who was threatening his own family. He finds out his wife is involved with someone he knows, who`s been working in his house, and he`s betrayed. He feels betrayed. Maybe he kills her, at that point. And he panics because he`s trying to cover up.
GRACE: You know, somehow, Lisa, I like the way you mixed in the lover was a bad guy, she was betraying him, having an affair, he killed her...
GRACE: ... and then he -- you left out the he killed her part. I mean, isn`t that the headline here, he killed his wife?
WAYNE: But it`s not done in this empty void. I mean, you can`t talk about this is a guy lying in wait, waiting to kill his wife. There are a lot of, clearly, circumstances here that drove him over the brink.
GRACE: You know what?
WAYNE: He seems like a good guy who lost it.
GRACE: Authorities say the doctor bashed her head against the garage floor repeatedly!
WAYNE: Right. Completely evidence of someone who completely loses it. He`s betrayed. He loses it. He kills her. He panics. He knows that he`s done something wrong, and he tries to cover it up. But you know, again, that just feeds into the fact that he panicked.
GRACE: I don`t know about your jurisdiction, but I never heard of the panic defense.
We`ll all be right back, everyone.
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GRACE: What a week in America`s courtrooms. Take a look at the stories, and more important, the people who touched all of our lives.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Michael Jackson jury handing down a verdict that stunned the nation. Not guilty on all counts.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people of the state of California, plaintiff versus Michael Joe Jackson, defendant, not guilty -- not -- not -- not guilty.
GRACE: What do you think Jackson was doing with these little boys all those nights in bed alone?
PAUL RODRIGUEZ, JACKSON JURY FOREMAN: Well, that`s a personal view that I don`t want to talk about right now.
GRACE: No, sir, you tried him -- you tried him for that. He was tried. You were on his jury. That`s what he was accused of. What do you think he was doing?
RODRIGUEZ: I know, and that`s why I say we -- we had to just rely on the -- I`m not going to stick my neck out there on this.
GRACE: A 17-year-old star student bludgeoned to death, his 16-year- old brother the suspect.
BARRY HORSTMAN, "CINCINNATI POST": Johnny had accompanied his mother to the local juvenile court as part of a job-shadowing exercise. One week later, his younger brother sat in that courtroom, accused of killing Johnny.
GRACE: Everybody, hold on to your seats. Jennifer Wilbanks, the runaway bride, set to score a reported half million dollars to sell her story. Talk about jackpot justice. Cha-ching!
ANDY KAHAN, DIR., VICTIMS CRIME OFFICE FOR HOUSTON MAYOR: I am sick and tired of convicted criminals who are using the ill-gotten deeds, the notoriety that they achieved by committing crimes and now being able to profit off it! This to me is the end of the line!
ANNE BREMNER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Hope springs eternal. Maybe she has something to say that`s helpful, and maybe she`ll donate the money.
GRACE: The search goes on for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the American girl. She went to the tiny island of Aruba and disappeared into thin air. Her mother vows not leave the island without the girl.
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MISSING GIRL`S MOTHER: The frustration is -- is unimaginable. And I have waited and I have waited and I have waited. And I have listened and I have heard lie after lie after lie unfold. And I have to have some answers, and I better get them soon.
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GRACE: I want to thank all of my guests tonight. But as always, my biggest thank you is to you for being with us, inviting all of us into your homes.
Coming up, headlines from all around the world, Larry on CNN. I`m Nancy Grace, signing off for tonight. I`ll see you right here Monday night, 8:00 o`clock sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.