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KARYN BRYANT, CO-HOST: I`m Karyn Bryant.
A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST: I`m A.J. Hammer. TV`s only live nightly entertainment show starts right now.
HAMMER (voice-over): Tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Oprah uh-oh. The queen of daytime goes shopping and gets the royal brush-off. We`ll tell you what happened.
BRYANT: Also, "Inside the Paparazzi," our weeklong in-depth series continues. Tonight who`s buying their pictures, and how much do they charge for those must have shots? We`ll ask two of the most feared and most loved celebrity photographers, live.
HAMMER: And summer loving, how your wedding can be a blast. We`ll show you how you, too, can walk down the aisle celeb style.
SEAL, MUSICIAN: Hi, I`m Seal.
HEIDI KLUM, MODEL: And I`m Heidi Klum.
SEAL: And if it happens today.
KLUM: It happens on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
BRYANT: Hello, I`m Karyn Bryant.
HAMMER: I`m A.J. Hammer.
The queen of daytime says she had a moment right out of the movie "Crash."
BRYANT: That film is all about racism, and tonight, Oprah Winfrey says that one of the fanciest stores wouldn`t open their doors for her.
HAMMER: SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s Sibila Vargas is live in Hollywood with the latest on what may have been the French fashion house`s faux pas.
SIBILA VARGAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Karyn and A.J. Tonight, Oprah Winfrey, the most powerful black woman in the entertainment world, is accusing one of the fanciest stores in the world with snubbing her.
VARGAS (voice-over): Oprah, queen of American television, recognized worldwide as one of America`s billionaires. But sacre bleu, there`s a fury in France about what did or didn`t happen at this store. And now it has one of the world`s most luxurious brands saying pardon.
It all started last week when Hermes staffers allegedly turned Oprah away from their Paris store. The store says they were closed. Excuse moi?
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT went to get the true story. We called Hermes. This is the statement they issued. "Hermes regrets not having been able to accommodate Miss Winfrey and her team and provide her with the service and care that Hermes strives to provide to each and every one of its customers worldwide."
They went on to stay the store was closed at 6:30 when Winfrey showed up 15 minutes later asking to come in. And they tell SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, quote, "Hermes apologizes for any offense taken due to such circumstances."
Why such a big deal? And why the very public damage control? Well, she is, after all, Oprah. And Oprah has legions of fans. Hermes, named after the messenger of the Greek gods, had this message for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. "It`s not a case of racism."
But Oprah`s people are calling this her "Crash" moment, referring to the movie, released in May, about race relations. Here`s a clip.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She got colder as soon as she saw us.
VARGAS: SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has learned that Oprah will discuss the snob snub when it returns from hiatus in September.
VARGAS: Just a few weeks ago on her web site, Oprah praised the movie "Crash," saying she couldn`t stop thinking about it. As for the store, they say the security counter videotape of the whole encounter will support their side of the story -- Karyn.
BRYANT: All right. Thank you very much, Sibila Vargas.
HAMMER: Well, moments ago, Tom Cruise just back from his round the world news making tour met the press like we`ve seen him do all week long all over the world. But the big news tonight, the press really pushed him on questions about his connection to Scientology.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s all over this story, of course. David Haffenreffer live here in New York -- David.
DAVID HAFFENREFFER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A.J., yes, the "War of the Worlds" world tour continued today with a pit stop here in New York City. And this entire rollout of this particular movie has been such a media spectacle, not so much about the film but a bit about, of course, Tom Cruise`s very public private life with actress Katie Holmes, and even the speculation that maybe she`ll be converting to his religion of Scientology.
The press conference today also attended by the director of the film, Steven Spielberg. And there was a tense moment when Tom Cruise was asked by a reporter from Boston about whether or not aliens played a role in his belief of Scientology. Here`s how it played out.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One major (UNINTELLIGIBLE) from the novel was to have the aliens, you know, laying dormant on earth for eons, rather than coming out of the sky. And I wonder, you know, what resonance that had for you as a scientologist.
TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: In what way?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, in that some of the tenants of Scientology deal with, you know, the past of aliens on this planet.
CRUISE: That`s not true.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No?
CRUISE: And if you`re interested in Scientology, you should read "Evolution of Science." I don`t know if you`ve ever read that. Or "Fundamentals of Thought." And that will give you a greater understanding.
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HAFFENREFFER: Tense moment indeed.
Noticeably absent from today`s press conference was actress Katie Holmes. Of course, we`ve been a part of their very public private life ever since this relationship between Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes got under way about two months ago.
In the press conference itself today, the reporters gave it at least 20 minutes before they felt the need to ask a question about Tom Cruise`s private life. Here`s how this played out.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You had an incredibly romantic proposal at the Eiffel Tower. You talked about your last press conference. How are you going to top it for the wedding? Have you thought about it?
CRUISE: I`m sorry? How am I...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are you going to top the romance for the wedding?
CRUISE: Do you have to top it? I didn`t know that was like a thing? I don`t know. We haven`t -- we haven`t decided yet. We haven`t decided yet. I don`t know. We`ll see.
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HAFFENREFFER: It almost seemed like every time he was asked about his private life today, Tom Cruise did his best to dodge giving up any new details after we`ve seen him with Katie virtually every stop between -- they`ve been inseparable ever since the relationship got underway.
Another question to Tom Cruise today had to do with how he maintained such energy and exuberance. We all remember that time at "The Oprah Winfrey Show" when he was jumping on the couches while talking about his newfound love for actress Katie Holmes. He explains how he keeps up such energy.
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CRUISE: I get excited about living, and I`m interested in people. And you know, there`s things in my life in Scientology and tools that I`ve spoken of before that I apply to my life that help me, you know, to overcome barriers and problems. And that has been extraordinary in my life. And I -- I have the privilege of doing something that I love.
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HAFFENREFFER: And on the Tom Cruise legal front today. Tom Cruise deciding to drop any charges or complaints against the fake crew and fake journalist who squirted him in the face earlier this week during the British premier of "War of the Worlds."
That wrap it is up from a rainy Essex House in New York City. A.J., back to you.
HAMMER: All right, David. Thanks very much. David Haffenreffer live in New York City.
Well, Cruise and Spielberg`s "War of the Worlds" news conference today was really remarkable for one key reason: everybody mostly talked about the movie. Now we haven`t seen much of that in the weeks since the Tom and Katie show took center stage.
Well, joining us live here in New York City, "Newsweek`s" Nicki Gostin.
Nicki, as I was mentioning, the movie is opening next week. It`s opening next week, and we haven`t heard anything about it, really, until today. Very little of the press conference talking about Tom and Katie, talking about Scientology.
Do you have the sense, then, that the movie studio is finally making the push to keep everybody focused on actually promoting the film?
NICKI GOSTIN, "NEWSWEEK": Yes, I think so. And even from that clip from the press conference, Tom Cruise is a lot more subdued than we`ve seen him before where he`s just been absolutely giddy, and sort of to the point of scarily giddy, talking about Katie, and not really talking about the movie.
I mean, this is sort of the first time we`ve heard about the movie. We`ve just been completely obsessed with the relationship and engagement. I mean, he even announced the engagement at a press conference in Paris.
HAMMER: And Steven Spielberg has even spoken out about some of the publicity, that non-movie related things have been getting. He actually lashed out in the new issue of "Newsweek" magazine...
HAMMER: ... about the whole jumping on the couch incident saying, quote, "I was a little upset. I was a little upset, not at Tom but at the press for making such a big deal out of kind of a small thing."
Is there a tense that Spielberg himself is getting pretty fed up with all of the publicity that doesn`t relate particularly to the film?
GOSTIN: I`m sure that they are very concerned at Paramount and at Steven Spielberg`s company about how the press for this movie is going. I mean, this is a huge, huge summer movie. And all we -- all of us have been talking about is Katie and Tom.
And for him to say, like, it`s a small thing. It was a big deal watching him jump up and down on that couch and, you know, pump his fists up in the air. I mean, it was weird. So there was a reason why we all made a big fuss out of it.
HAMMER: And with just a week left before the film actually opens, and they`re just now starting to talk about the actual content of the movie. Has the damage been done to "War of the Worlds"?
GOSTIN: Look, I mean, ultimately if the movie is good, people are going to see it, and they`re not going to worry about him raving about Katie Holmes. Basically, if it`s a good, people are going to tell their friends, and they`re going to go see it.
HAMMER: I guess we can`t forget Tom Cruise and Steven Spielberg, the biggest movie star and the biggest director in the world.
HAMMER: No real question it will open up at No. 1. Well, Nicki Gostin from "Newsweek," thanks very much for joining us here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
GOSTIN: Thank you. Thanks.
BRYANT: Well, now we want to hear from you. It is our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day. Tom Cruise, out of control? You can vote at CNN.com/ShowbizTonight. Or, if you`d like to tell us more, you can always e-mail us. The address is ShowbizTonight@CNN.com. We are going to share some of what you have to say later on in the show.
HAMMER: So what do you think is the most quotable line from a movie? Well, tonight the American Film Institute is out with its list of the best movie quotes. And stay with SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, because throughout the next hour, we`re going to count down the top ten.
Are you ready? We`re going to fire it up right now. Here are numbers 10, 9 and 8.
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ROBERT DE NIRO, ACTOR: You talking to me? You talking to me? Who the hell else are you talking to? You talking to me?
BETTY DAVIS, ACTRESS: Fasten your seatbelts; it`s going to be a bumpy night.
HARRISON FORD, ACTOR: May the force be with you.
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HAMMER: Classics every one. Stay tuned to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for the rest of the top 10, the best movie lines of all time. We`re counting them down for you throughout the show tonight.
BRYANT: Well, still ahead, how two shows are dancing and singing their way to the top of the ratings. We`re going to take a look at summer`s hottest TV hits.
HAMMER: Also, summertime is wedding time, of course. We`re going to show you how to party like a star. That`s coming up.
BRYANT: And "Inside the Paparazzi": who buys the pictures and how do they run their business? We are going to get the scoop from two of the biggest shooters out here. Live right here as our special series continues. That`s a little bit later on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
But first, we want to get to tonight`s "Entertainment Weekly Great American Pop Culture Quiz." What is the name of the Manhattan deli owned by frequent "Letterman" guest Rupert Jee? Is it the Hello Deli, the Welcome Deli, the Corner Deli or the Broadway Deli? We`re going to be right back with the answer.
BRYANT: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. So once again, tonight`s "Entertainment Weekly Great American Pop Culture Quiz." What is the name of the Manhattan deli owned by frequent "Letterman" guest Rupert Jee? Is it the Hello Deli, the Welcome Deli, the Corner Deli or the Broadway Deli? Well, Hello Deli. The answer is A. And by the way, it`s only five short blocks from our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT studio.
HAMMER: That`s where I`m going down there for a Slurpee right after the program tonight.
Robert De Niro ripped off, and Mel Gibson`s stalker. It is time now for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s "Legal Lowdown."
The Idaho drifter was sentenced today to three years in a California prison for stalking Mel Gibson. Zack Sinclair was convicted of felony stalking in March. Prosecutors say he repeatedly showed up at Gibson`s California home back in 2004 and asked to pray with "The Passion of the Christ" director.
Gibson was not in court for the sentencing and he had no statement when we called about it today.
Robert De Niro`s maid cleaned up but also cleaned him out. That`s what New York officials are saying. Police arrested a 35-year-old woman, accusing her of stealing diamond earrings from De Niro`s wife worth nearly $100,000.
De Niro had no comment about the arrest but did say this about an unidentified member of the media who apparently tried to talk to a young boy who lives in his building about the maid. Quote, "To approach a 9- year-old is outrageous, and someone in the news business deserves to lose their press card over this one."
BRYANT: Well, it is time now for the "Show`s Biz," summer TV. What`s working? What`s not working? When the sun comes out, the TVs usually turn off, so what are the networks doing to keep you watching?
Well, ABC is turning the cha-cha into cha-ching. The networks: "Dancing with the Stars" is currently the No. 1 show on television. NBC`s "Hit Me Baby One More Time" features music stars from the past, and that show is drawing surprising ratings. Now, this talent show is getting lots of buzz all while going up against some very tough competition.
Sp will networks continue to ride the reality TV band wagon this summer? And will they continue to bring yesterday`s stars with them? Well, joining us live from Hollywood to talk about this, Joe Adalian from "Daily Variety."
Thanks for joining us, Joe.
JOE ADALIAN, "DAILY VARIETY": Thanks very much.
BRYANT: First question. What are the networks doing this summer to bring in the viewers? Is it experimentation? Is it unscripted programming?
ADALIAN: The networks that are succeeding this summer are the ones that are being original. You know, for awhile there we had a lot of copy cats of "The Apprentice" and copycats of "Survivor." What`s really working this summer is originality.
The reason people are flocking to "Hit Me Baby One More Time" and even more so to "Dancing with the Stars," is because these are different concepts. These are fresh original ideas. And viewers like to be entertained, and they like things that they haven`t seen before.
And summertime is really the perfect time for people to try something different and try something new. And the networks that are having luck are the ones that are being bold and being different. Particularly ABC.
BRYANT: OK. ABC is having great success with "Dancing with the Stars." What is not working then, currently?
ADALIAN: What`s not working as well are some scripted programs on the broadcast networks. FOX has a show called "The Inside" that they really promoted. It didn`t do too well. The WB is airing original episodes of "Summerland," not doing well. There are some things that are working, scripted, such as "Family Guy" and "American Dad" on FOX. Thos are doing very well.
BRYANT: Also, TNT has "The Closer," which opened very well, with Kyra Sedgwick.
ADALIAN: Exactly. And I think the interesting lesson here is for cable networks, scripted shows tend to work best in the summer. For broadcast networks, it`s better to go with reality.
BRYANT: So with this trend of seeing some of the celebrities in the shows like "Dancing with the Stars" and "Hit Me Baby," are we going to see a continuation of bringing celebrities into reality shows?
ADALIAN: You know, pretty soon the TV dial is going to look like the news stand, with "Us" and all sorts of shows like that. You know, essentially Americans love celebrities. Already we`ve got FOX doing skating with celebrities. We`ve got NBC planning "I`m a Celebrity, But I Want to be a Pop Star." And you`re going to see a lot more shows like that. I think people -- networks want to capitalize on people`s fascination with celebrities.
And they don`t even have to be Tom and Katie level -- or excuse me, Tomkat level of celebrities. As long as people sort of know their faces, it`s interesting to see these people you sort of know doing something totally different, something challenging like ballroom dancing.
BRYANT: All right. Well, thank you. Indeed, I think it is often much more fun to see the B- and C-list people getting into the act.
Joe Adalian from "Daily Variety," thank you for joining us.
ADALIAN: Thanks very much.
HAMMER: As we mentioned earlier, the American Film Institute has named the top ten best movie lines of all time. And throughout the show, we`re counting them down for you. Here are 7, 6 and 5.
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GLORIA SWANSON, ACTRESS: All right, Mr. De Mille, I`m ready for my close-up.
CLINT EASTWOOD, ACTOR: Go ahead, make my day.
HUMPHREY BOGART, ACTOR: Here`s looking at you, kid.
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HAMMER: The most movie lines ever, and they`re going to keep on coming. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is going to keep the countdown going for you throughout the show tonight.
BRYANT: Well, tonight SHOWBIZ TONIGHT takes you inside celebrity weddings. Now, with Tom Cruise and Katie just announcing their engagement and, of course, June always being the most popular month to get married, we decided to meet up with one expert who told SHOWBIZ TONIGHT how you can personalize your wedding like a star.
BRYANT (voice-over): Heidi Klum and Seal tied the knot in Costa Careyes, Mexico. It was an intimate affair, only 40 people. And they did everything they could to make sure their guests felt welcome. They made it more intimate by adding personalized touches.
AMANDA POSES, FILL-R-UP STORE: When their guests arrived, they really tried to set the mood with their gift basket. They had cowboy hats, Perreiro`s (ph). They also gave Heidi`s favorite products, which are Keio`s (ph) for the beach.
BRYANT: Amanda Poses should know how to do it right. She`s got her own shop that specializes in the art of personalization.
POSES: Personalization is becoming creepingly popular, because it`s another way for the bride and grown make their guests stand out in a special way.
BRYANT: And to recreate Heidi and Seal`s special personalization?
POSES: Some general tips would be starting with the container, picking something that could represent the area where they`re getting married. So if you`re getting ready in New York, do a New York type of fortune cookie.
BRYANT: And what about the way Renee Zellweger and Kenny Chesney did it, on the beach, bare foot?
POSES: If you were having a beach wedding, you might want to do some sunscreen. You might want to do a water bottle and a beach ball. So keeping it with the theme has been really peaceful (ph).
BRYANT: Another couple in wedded bliss who personalized their wedding in their own special way, Britney Spears and Kevin Federline. Britney gave her bridesmaids track suits with their role emblazoned on the back. Federline did the same.
POSES: Kevin`s groomsman wore track suits that said "pimp" on them, and his father actually wore one that said, "pimp daddy."
BRYANT: You can get that same personalization with or maybe without the words "pimp" in it.
POSES: This is our sample of "pimp daddy." This is a golf towel. You can obviously put any message you would like, or the guest`s name.
BRYANT: Also, a more sophisticated version of the pimped out track suit, think Donald Trump Jr. Personalized polo shirts, courtesy of Polo.com.
POSES: The other great thing about Polo.com is you can pick and choose your own tie. You pick the color of the tie. You pick the stripe and on the back would be the initial, and you can also add the date of the wedding.
BRYANT: It was June of last year when J. Lo and Marc Anthony got married. So for the dynamic diva in you, think opulent for your bridesmaids, a gorgeous monogrammed bathrobe or sachet bag.
POSES: It`s lavender. It`s very pretty. it has their name on it. And it also could act as a place card, as well.
BRYANT: And now, on to a celebrity honeymoon. "People" magazine reports that newlyweds Renee Zellweger and Kenny Chesney carved out some time from their hectic schedule for a five-day honeymoon in Las Vegas -- A.J.
HAMMER: Karyn, well Destiny`s Child might be splitting up, but they`re still sticking together for a good cause. And we are going to tell you what that is.
BRYANT: Plus, still giving it the best that she`s got. R&B`s Anita Baker back in the music business after a decade out of it. Why did she pull a disappearing act? We`re going to find out when she joins us live.
HAMMER: And "Inside the Paparazzi," our special series continues. Tonight how these celebrity photographers run their business, live from the front line. That`s still to come.
BRYANT: The women of Destiny`s Child say they are thrilled to be a part of Live 8, which is coming up July 2. Well, just over a week ago, the band announced that they`ll be breaking up after the current tour, in order to pursue other projects. They`ll play Live 8, rather, in Philadelphia shortly after the American leg of the tour starts.
Today, Beyonce said that the anti-poverty concert is an effort close to their hearts.
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BEYONCE, SINGER: Bono and I went to South Africa, and we went to some of the townships and we visited a lot of orphanages. I held a lot of the children with AIDS, and -- sorry. It was really emotional, and anything we can do to help that.
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BRYANT: Obviously moved there, Beyonce. Well, the last Destiny`s Child concert is scheduled for September 10 in Vancouver. But the group says don`t rule out a reunion in five or 10 years.
HAMMER: Have camera, will travel. It`s the business side of celebrity photographers. Some of the most loved and hated celebrity paparazzi will join us live for part three of our special series, "Inside the Paparazzi," coming up next.
BRYANT: And former "American Idol" contestant Corey Clark has more to say about Paula Abdul. We`re going to share that with you next.
THOMAS ROBERTS, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hi, everybody. I`m Thomas Roberts. And here is your "Headline Prime Newsbreak."
In Iraq, more insurgent attacks five car bombings rock the capital city of Baghdad today. At 23 people are reported dead, another 46 wounded. Now, the bombs were detonated about the same time by remote control.
Several wildfires are burning around parts of Arizona and one has forced residents to evacuate. Residents are being forced to leave the recreation area in Tonto National Forest. Fire officials are concerned about high temperatures and dry conditions that usually drive a dangerous fire season. So far, more than 35,000 acres have burned.
The Cub Scout who captured the nation`s attention after he was lost in the Utah mountains is up and around already and reports that he`s good. Brennan Hawkins was missing for four days. And in a press conference, his parents say they don`t think he`s ready to talk about the ordeal just yet.
That is the news for now. Thanks for joining us. I`m Thomas Roberts.
BRYANT: The business of the paparazzi. When they get the shot, what comes next? Who buys it? And how do they decide what to charge? We`ll get the answers, live from people who know from experience.
HAMMER: And what does Grammy-winning artist Anita Baker have in common with Martha Stewart? We`re going to find out. She joins us live, that`s Anita Baker, in the "Showbiz Sitdown."
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COLIN QUINN, COMEDIAN: Hi, I`m Colin Quinn. If it happened today, it`s on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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HAMMER: And welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 31 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer.
BRYANT: I`m Karyn Bryant. Here on tonight`s "Hot Headlines."
HAMMER: An Hermes Store in Paris is apologizing tonight, but says Oprah Winfrey was turned away because they were closed, pure and simple. It happened last week when Oprah went to get a watch for Tina Turner, who she was having dinner with that night, and was not allowed in the store. Oprah`s spokespeople are calling it her "Crash" moment, referring to the current movie that deals with race relations.
BRYANT: Tom Cruise and Steven Spielberg appeared together in New York this afternoon for a press conference promoting "War of the Worlds." Now, last night, we had heard that Spielberg wouldn`t be attending, and there was speculation that Cruise`s high-profile whirlwind romance with Katie Holmes was the reason.
Now, that does lead to our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." Tom Cruise: Out of control? You can keep voting at CNN.com/showbiztonight. You can also e-maul us at firstname.lastname@example.org We`re going to read some of your e-mails at 54 past the hour.
HAMMER: Well, of course, one thing Tom Cruise is certainly familiar with, the paparazzi. Tonight, as we continue our special series, "Inside the Paparazzi," we`re talking with the people on the frontlines, the paparazzi themselves.
Celebrity photographers have been making a lot of headlines lately. Of course, there was the recent incident involving actress Lindsay Lohan where a paparazzi photographer allegedly ran into her car and got arrested. And at the recent "Bewitched" premiere, Nicole Kidman exchanged words with one photographer on the red carpet line.
But it`s not all conflict. Paris Hilton`s mom, Kathy Hilton, was on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT last night. And she told us the paparazzi and the stars need each other.
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KATHY HILTON, MOTHER OF PARIS HILTON: The people are all very, very nice. And I think if you stop, and you take the darn picture, and you give them what you want, you know, they help make you. And you know, when you`re running, and you`re doing all of that, it that just antagonizes them. I kind of feel like it`s like having a lot of security guards around you. Yes, serious.
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HAMMER: So how does the paparazzi business work? Well, joining us live here in New York City, celebrity photographer Steve Sands. Also here with us, celebrity photographer Dennis Van Tine. And live in Hollywood, Pablo Grosby of the Grosby Group. That`s an international celebrity photo agency.
And Steve, I want to start with you. When Kathy Hilton was speaking there, you were clapping your hands because she seems to recognize the unwritten agreement that the paparazzi and celebrities have, at least most of them. Can you sort of explain what that agreement is and how that works?
STEVE SANDS, CELEBRITY PHOTOGRAPHER: It`s just the way things have been going since celebrities and movie stars being made. Magazines would invite photographers to come to shoot events.
And back in the `50s, they used to set up events just for photographers. The Marilyn Monroe dress blowing up in the air is just probably the most famous of those type of pictures, and to promote "Seven Year Itch," I think it was. That was a promotional stunt for photographers. And it seems to have changed. As the more money has gotten into the business, it seems to have become more proprietary.
HAMMER: But basically, there is this idea that you guys are out doing your job and you`re there to help them.
SANDS: Absolutely. Absolutely.
HAMMER: And of course, along the way -- and, Dennis, I want you to chime in on this -- the term "stalkerazzi" has arisen. Can you kind of differentiate for us the stalkerazzi from the paparazzi?
DENNIS VAN TINE, CELEBRITY PHOTOGRAPHER: Stalkerazzi, that`s an interesting term. That`s sort of newspeak, we see that as on the street. It`s sort of taking paparazzi and using the word "stalker," wish there were stalker laws. There are people that want different laws, special people that want stars of whatnot that want laws to be changed, to change the laws of journalism.
And that`s becoming a big issue on the street. And stalkerazzi is just park of the newspeak to maybe -- the first step in maybe changing, you know, First Amendment laws in this country. And it`s a very scary term, to be quite honest.
HAMMER: It sure is, for you guys.
SANDS: Not just for us. For all Americans.
HAMMER: Sure, OK.
And for Pablo, too, who, you know, you make your money selling these photographs. I want to understand exactly how the process works, Pablo. If a photographer you represent gets a shot that`s usable, how do you go through the process of selling that shot and determining how much it`s worth?
PABLO GROSBY, THE GROSBY GROUP: It`s basically very simple. The photographer needs an agency. That`s what we are. There are several agencies in the country. The photographers know them all.
And because they can do both things right, they either shoot well or sell well. It`s very hard to shoot and sell well. So most of them work with an agency backing them up, marketing their material all over the world. It`s like a network of agencies that can get those pictures out.
In regards to the value of the picture, that demands on -- it`s just pure market value, what celebrity is hot, and what did the picture show, and how exclusive it is or not. A photo in the lineup in a premiere where 100 guys shot the same picture, of course, doesn`t cost as much as a unique, exclusive photo of a celebrity doing something that the picture tells a story.
Not just the celebrity crossing the street, but maybe, I don`t know, with a new baby, with a new boyfriend, you know, with an eight-month pregnant belly, anything that tells a story. That`s what the magazines want. And they want it because their readers want it.
HAMMER: And very broadly, what`s the sort of range that one can expect to get for from the most basic of shots to one of those storytelling type of shots?
GOSBY: Oh, it`s all over the place, because it also depends on the markets. The photos are marketed territorially, country by country. And they cost different -- a photo will cost different for a newspaper, let`s say, in Bolivia than, you know, a national paper in the U.S.
So they call all over the rates. It could be, I don`t know, from, you know, $10 to sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars, again depending on the exclusiveness, the opportunity that that great picture.
HAMMER: Right. And those are great paydays when they are. When your agent calls you up and says, "Yes, I can get you a couple hundred thousand dollars for that shot," that can`t hurt.
And you guys basically have to play sort of a game with the publicists, don`t you? There`s sort of a, I don`t know, maybe a little bit of friction that maybe goes on. Could you explain how that is? Because obviously, you have to get tipped off when celebrities are showing up somewhere.
SANDS: Nobody knows better that than me. I prefer not to play with the publicists, and I prefer to work with the celebrities directly, like the old way. That`s the way photographers used to be able to do it.
HAMMER: So will you actually get a phone call from a celebrity, you know, from a Paris Hilton or someone like that?
SANDS: Certain celebrities I am in direct communication with. Other celebrities I will -- usually, I like to work on movie sets, because that`s where I can negotiate better, especially with the celebrities that don`t know me. And there`s always a couple people who are inside with the celebrities that will say, "He`s a good guy, and these are the kind of photos he takes." So usually, when I show up on a set, it`s usually pre- known that I`m OK.
And Dennis, I imagine, you know, we always think that, you know, the doormen at clubs are tipping you guys off and calling your cellphone.
VAN TINE: It`s funny, because when you do a premiere in Midtown Manhattan, you get a lot of people from out of town in this country. And they come, and they ask you. They say, "How do you know where these celebrities are?"
And I say, well, you know what? I really don`t stand outside hotels. Ninety percent of the stuff I do, if not 95 percent, is a tip-sheet that comes in from publicists that are promoting either their film, some DVD they`re promoting, a car, maybe automobiles or something like that. It`s a promotional event.
And these pictures are taken -- we take the picture with the car. We take the picture with the CD. Also we also take headshots, clean headshots, with non-generic backgrounds, no logos behind them. And those are the shots, more or less, that you see in "People" and "US," a majority of them, although that is going much more to the street stuff.
But still, there are so many magazines that use these pictures. You know, the cup runneth over.
HAMMER: Pablo, do you want to chime in?
GROSBY: Yes, I want to say, even though Steve is one of the fortunate ones that can make deals directly with the celebrities, a lot of times the deals have to be made with some of the publicists. It doesn`t mean they all do that.
But when a publicist trusts, usually, a photographer or an agency, then they can produce some sort of shoot because that trust gives the publicists control over the pictures. The publicist has the rights to kill the photos they don`t like or accept the ones they like.
And also, over distribution, they can make a deal with their favorite agency and say, "OK, we`ll take these pictures. But sell it to the tabloids. Only sell it to the major weeklies, or only sell it to this or that other client." And it`s all about control.
HAMMER: I want Steve to jump in here right here. We have about 30 seconds left.
SANDS: And that is the big problem about what`s happening with this business, is that a lot of these so-called exclusive sessions are done, I don`t want to say for payola, but they`re done for specific reasons. There`s usually some under-the-table agreement with the publicists. And what that does is it leaves the other members of the press out in the street in favor...
VAN TINE: Well, I would say the members of press with ethics. I mean, you give up a lot when you start dealing with publicists. Once you make the deal with them, I think society on a whole loses. You have to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) from a journalistic standpoint that will represent best what`s in front of your camera.
HAMMER: Plenty of insight there, guys. I really appreciate you giving -- you know, who knows better than you? Steve, Dennis and Pablo, thank you very much for joining us tonight on our special series.
Tomorrow night on our "Inside the Paparazzi" series, continuing with the paparazzi and publicists. It is this working relationship that we`ve been talking about here. It does help out both the photographers and the stars. It can be tough at times.
Our guests are going to be Joe Simpson, the father of singers Jessica and Ashlee Simpson, and celebrity publicist Ken Sunshine. So we`ll get a little more insight into this part of the business tomorrow night right here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
BRYANT: Well, tonight, we are counting down the top 10 movie lines of all time, according to the American Film Institute. We are getting close to number one. Here are numbers four, three and two.
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JUDY GARLAND, PORTRAYING DOROTHY IN "THE WIZARD OF OZ": Toto, I have a feeling we`re not in Kansas anymore.
MARLON BRANDO, PORTRAYING TERRY IN "ON THE WATERFRONT": You don`t understand. I could have had class! I could have been a contender. I could have been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am.
MARLON BRANDO, PORTRAYING DON VITO CORLEONE IN "THE GODFATHER": I`m going to make him an offer he can`t refuse.
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HAMMER: So what do you think the number one movie quote is? Stay tuned, because we`re going to have it for you in just a few minutes.
Plus, he has a song called "Paulatics." That`s P-a-u-l-a. But Corey Clark says it`s not necessarily about Paula Abdul. More on that just ahead.
And what made R&B legend Anita Baker pick up the mike once again after ten years? We`re going to find out when she joins us live in the "Showbiz Sitdown," next.
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KYRA SEDGWICK, ACTRESS: Hi, I`m Kyra Sedgwick, and I`m listening to Otis Redding, because you can`t go wrong with Otis.
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HAMMER: No, you can`t, Kyra. Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Former "American Idol" contestant Corey Clark is out promoting his CD these days. You may remember that Clark is the contestant who said he had an affair with "Idol" judge Paula Abdul.
Well, last night, we reported that he is cooperating with FOX`s investigations of his claims. Corey also said that Paula gave him some help throughout the contest. And at his CD release party last night, when asked how much influence Paula Abdul did have on his songs, Clark had this to say.
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COREY CLARK, FORMER "AMERICAN IDOL" CONTESTANT: It`s not, you know, necessarily about Paula. I mean, the song is called "Paulatics." It is about an older woman that kind of takes advantage of a younger guy and, you know, ends up dissing him at the end of the relationship.
But you know, there is other connotations, you know, from other relationships that I`ve witnessed, you know, for people that have gone through the same thing. Not necessarily with Paula Abdul. But you know, she had a little influence, most definitely.
Well, my allegations aren`t against Paula. They`re against "American Idol," you know? So for FOX to investigate, they`re going to have to investigate "American Idol." And you know, if they want to investigate Paula Abdul along with that, that`s cool. But I`m not going to give them an investigation on Paula. I`m going to give them an investigation on the show.
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HAMMER: Corey Clark`s self-titled album and DVD on shelves now.
BRYANT: Tonight, in the "Showbiz Sitdown," multiple Grammy-winner Anita Baker. You know her hit songs "Sweet Love" and "Giving You the Best that I Got." You hear them on the radio all the time.
Anita`s about to hit the road for the first time in twelve years, touring in support of her latest album, "My Everything," which is her first disc in ten years. Anita Baker joins us now live from Los Angeles.
Thank you for joining us, Anita. And first and foremost, please tell us why were you were gone. I hear it`s for some very personal reasons. The fans want to know, why the ten-year absence?
ANITA BAKER, R&B ARTIST: Well, you know, anybody who is married, and has a couple of babies, that`s going to take a lot of your time, not to mention -- unfortunately, my parents passed away during that time. So there was just a lot of life to be lived during that time. And I had to leave the music business in order to do it.
BRYANT: Sure. And what was it, though, that made you come to the realization that it was time to get back in the business and time to start writing again?
BAKER: Well, unfortunately, my mother passed away. And that sort of -- it just sort of gave me this zest for living. I mean, once I got over the grief, of course. But there is something about coming to terms with your own mortality that makes you want to just get on with it. And music is kind of it for me.
BRYANT: Well, I mean, it`s certainly one way to get over the pain, to envelope yourself in something else that you love to do. And you`re so known for writing love songs. You know, I`m sure you hear them at weddings all the time. People must come up to you all the time saying, "Anita, you wrote my song." What`s the strangest place you ever heard one of your own love songs?
BAKER: The supermarket. The dairy aisle. It`s weird. It sounds totally normally, but it`s very cold in the dairy aisle.
BAKER: You don`t want to hear your love songs in the dairy aisle. It`s not pretty.
BRYANT: Now, I personally love dairy, so I would sing a song to cheese every day. But that`s just me.
BAKER: Song to cheese. OK, I`m remember that.
BRYANT: Speaking of the dairy aisle, speaking of the grocery store, I hear that you`re sort of a scratch chef. You`ve got a little Martha Stewart in you. You like to cook, is that true?
BAKER: Oh, it`s a good thing. Absolutely. I`m a mom. I have got a house full of men. So I have to know sports and I have to know the kitchen very well.
BRYANT: Sure. What`s your favorite recipe?
BAKER: Oh, my goodness. Daddy`s corn chowder from scratch. From scratch.
BRYANT: OK. Couple highlights of the highlights in there? Because I myself love to cook, too.
BAKER: I`m sorry?
BRYANT: I love to cook, as well. What are the highlights from that recipe, if you could just give me a couple...
BAKER: The highlights from that recipe and pretty much any recipe is the base. The base is bacon drippings, sliced white onions, corn, fresh corn from the cob. You have to cut it from the cob. And the basis is the secret.
BRYANT: OK. And in the Baker household right now, what are you guys watching on TV? We were talking about summer shows. What`s a big hit in your household?
BAKER: Are you kidding me? It`s playoff season. Are you joking? The all-star game is coming to Detroit. It`s a sports town right now. The Pistons are about to win back-to-back championships. Are you kidding?
BRYANT: All right. Well, great, well, thank you for...
BAKER: Go Pistons!
BRYANT: Go Pistons. Thanks for joining us, Anita Baker.
Of course, "My Everything," her album, is in stores now. Anita`s tour kicks off this Saturday in Hollywood.
HAMMER: Anita in the dairy aisle. I don`t think it would be so bad.
Well, we`ve been counting down the top ten movie quotes all night. And we`ve now reached number one. So here we go. Karyn, would you give me a drum roll please?
Here`s the quote -- that was weak -- here`s the quote from the American Film Institute, chosen as the best of all time.
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VIVIEN LEIGH, PORTRAYING SCARLETT O`HARA IN "GONE WITH THE WIND": Rhett, if you go, where shall I go? What shall I do?
CLARK GABLE, PORTRAYING RHETT BUTLER IN "GONE WITH THE WIND": Frankly, my dear, I don`t give a damn.
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HAMMER: That`s right. A classic from 1939`s "Gone with the Wind." And for more of the American Film Institute`s top movie quotes, frankly, my dear, you can just go to cnn.com/showbiztonight.
BRYANT: Well, what do you think President Bush thinks about everyday? The "Daily Show knows." And we`ve got their answer, coming up next in "Laughter Dark."
HAMMER: And there is still time for you to sound off in our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." Tom Cruise: Out of control? You can vote by going to cnn.com/showbiztonight. Or if you got more to say, you can write to us, email@example.com is our address. We`ll read some of your e-mails live, next.
BRYANT: It is time to get your laugh on in "Laughter Dark." We do it every night. We bring you the late-night laughs you may have missed.
Now, on "The Daily Show," Jon Stewart had a question for the president.
JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": All right. Anyway, Vice President Dick Cheney recently said the insurgency is in its last throes. The question is, do you agree?
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think about Iraq every day, every single day.
STEWART: Really? You think about the war you started every day? "Yes, tie a little string around my finger. Sometimes I look down on it, I think to myself, what`s that doing there?" And then I remember, I`ve been thinking about something, I remember, "Oh (bleep) that`s right, that war."
BRYANT: Oh, I do love Jon Stewart. Tonight on "The Daily Show," Bill Moyers.
HAMMER: Well, throughout the show tonight, we have been asking you to vote on-line on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." Tom Cruise: Out of control?
Let`s see how the vote`s been going so far. Seventy-three percent of you say yes, out of control; 27 percent of you say no, he is not. We`ve got some e-mails, too.
From Julie (ph) in Missouri, who wrote, "I like Tom Cruise for the most part, but he needs to get a grip. It`s nice to be in love, but he has lost his mind."
Also, from Tom (ph) in Illinois, he writes this about Tom, "He has given us some great entertainment over the years. Give the guy a break."
Remember, there is still time to vote by going to cnn.com/showbiztonight.
BRYANT: Well, it is time to see what`s playing on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT tomorrow.
HAMMER: My favorite time of the night.
BRYANT: Is it?
HAMMER: Marquee Guy, take it away.
MARQUEE GUY: Lindsey Lohan, one-on-one. She opens up about the paparazzi, her weight, her new movie, and what she says is the biggest misconception people have about her. Lindsay Lohan on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT tomorrow.
Also tomorrow, we`re cruising right over to the premiere of "War of the Worlds." SHOWBIZ TONIGHT will be live on the red carpet with the little green men and the big, big stars. Hmm, I wonder if Katie Holmes with be there? Uh, duh!
This is the Marquee Guy. And if one more person around me calls me a space cadet, I`m going to smack him.
HAMMER: I would like somebody to beam him up, quickly.
BRYANT: Yes, immediately.
HAMMER: That is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer.
BRYANT: I`m Karyn Bryant. Please stay tuned for the latest from CNN Headline News.
THOMAS ROBERTS, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hi, everybody. I`m Thomas Roberts. And let`s get your "Headline Prime Newsbreak" now.
The Pentagon is confirming the pilot of a U-2 spy plane was killed earlier today when it crashed in the United Arab Emirates. Earlier reports gave no indication of hostile fire. It reportedly was flying in support of U.S. operations in Afghanistan.
Eleven-year-old Cub Scout Brennan Hawkins has just one word to describe how he`s feeling after being lost in the Utah wild for four days: "Good." The shy boy`s family says he`s doing well and showing a remarkable ability to bounce back after being found yesterday.
And a 13-year-old boy is recanting his claim against Lionel Tate, once the youngest American sentenced to life in prison. The boy says, contrary to his original testimony, Tate did not rob a pizza delivery man at gunpoint last month in Florida. A hearing has been scheduled to determine whether Tate will be released on bail. He was sentenced to life in prison when he was just 12 for a 1999 stomping death of a 6-year-old girl. That sentence later overturned.
That`s the news for now. I`m Thomas Roberts.