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Special Operations Team Member Successfully Rescued By Special Forces; Dan Healy Family Interview; Karl Rove Spoke To Reporter Before CIA Operative Name Leak; Search Continues for Dylan Groene; Warplanes Search for Natalee Holloway; Egypt's Convoy Kidnapped; Live 8 Review; Chilling Confessions From BTK Killer Dennis Rader; Interview With Author David McCullough

Aired July 03, 2005 - 16:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (video clip): I just want everybody to know that he was a hero, and I don't want them to forget it.
FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: A daughter remembers a father. One of 16 men killed in the mountains of Afghanistan. And this ...

AMBER DEAHN, WAITRESS (video clip): I said honey, what's your name? She said Shasta Groene and started crying, and I couldn't help myself, I picked her straight up and just held her.

WHITFIELD: Now details how a missing eight-year-old was found alive, plus the latest on the search for her brother.

Hello, and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. All that and more after a look at the headlines.

A new development in the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba. Police escorted three suspects to corroborate their stories. Natalee Holloway vanished almost five weeks ago, we'll have a live report from Aruba coming up in a few minutes.

A Saudi official says high-ranking member of al Qaeda was killed in a clash in Riyadh today. Younis Mohammad Ibrahim al-Hayyari was wanted for terrorism in Saudi Arabia. He died in a battle between Saudi security forces and suspected militants.

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A rescue in Afghanistan is no doubt elating U.S. troops. A missing U.S. special ops recon soldier evaded enemy forces and is now safe. A U.S. military helicopter bringing reinforcements to the special ops unit crashed on Tuesday. Our Kathleen Koch is tracking developments from the pentagon. Kathleen?

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Obviously, this is very welcome news, in particular for the family members of the members of the special operations reconnaissance team that's been missing there on the ground in Afghanistan since Tuesday. A U.S. official tells CNN that one member of this special operations team did manage to, quote, evade the enemy and has been successfully rescued by U.S. forces.

The official would not give details about the other members of the team missing in the region near the Pakistan border. You remember this was the Special Forces team that had been in a fire fight with suspected al Qaeda militants Tuesday and called for reinforcements prompting the dispatch of four Chinook helicopters.

One of those helicopters was struck by enemy fire, crashed to the ground killing 16, and the same official would give no precise details about the circumstances of the serviceman's rescue. He said is to be in good shape and family has been notified he is safe. So right now the search is continuing there in the mountains, U.S. and Afghan soldiers participates. They may have better information to go on with the one team member's rescue.

So while this has been a weekend of mourning, those who have been killed in the crash on Tuesday, in the helicopter crash, it's also a weekend of renewed hope for the members of the families of these service members still missing on the ground, now that the least one of them has been found safe. Fredricka?

WHITFIELD: And Kathleen, you mentioned that special ops member is in good condition. Will the Department of Defense elaborate further on the condition of that person?

KOCH: Not at all. Standard practice in a situation like this would be if that service member is wounded, his wounds obviously would be treated as best they could be there on the ground in Afghanistan. Then if they were more severe, certainly it would be standard pressure to Landstuhl, Germany, and eventually onto the United States. But the Pentagon is not saying much more about this. Obviously with the members missing on the ground not wanting to jeopardize them in any way.

WHITFIELD: All right. Kathleen Koch from the Pentagon, thanks so much.

Their names will go down in the hallowed halls of honor. Sixteen U.S. servicemen killed Tuesday in the helicopter crash in Afghanistan. The pentagon has released their names. Eight were special operations soldiers from bases in Georgia and Kentucky. Eight were Navy SEALS based in Hawaii.

Among them 33 year old Petty Officer First Class Jeffrey Lucas from Corbut (ph), Oregon; 36-year-old Chief Petty Officer Jacques Fontan from New Orleans, Louisiana; 31-year old Petty Officer First Class Jeffrey Taylor of Midway, West Virginia; and Lieutenant Commander Eric Christensen. The 33 year old Christensen was from San Diego, California.

Senior Chief Petty Officer Dan Healy was a member of the SEAL team killed in the chopper crash. His family is dealing with two emotions, pride and grief, and they're talking about the lasting legacy of their father, their hero, and they talked to Peter Viles.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): About 10 days ago, Dan Healy wrote his son a letter an e-mail from Afghanistan and the message was simple, try your best, never give up.

JAKE HEALY, DAN HEALY'S SON: My dad always tried his best like in anything, he threw anything at him, he would always do his best and just ace it.

VILES: Those who knew him like his younger sister Jennifer had heard that message a lot.

JENNIFER HEALY, DAN HEALY'S SISTER: That's his thing, you don't give up. You find a different way around it, find a different way to handle it and just be true to yourself.

VILES: Dan Healy, here he is in Afghanistan knew something about perseverance. He was a Navy SEAL for 15 years, the training to become a SEAL is so punishing, more than half of the recruits who say they want to be SEALS drop out.

JENNIFER HEALY: He was a proud SEAL, he was a damn good SEAL. And a damn good man.

VILES: Dan Healy was in the helicopter shot down in Afghanistan last week. He died in the mountains along with 15 other American servicemen.

VIANNE CENTENO, DAN HEALY'S EX WIFE: I know every other family that lost a loved one. I know what they felt. I know they thought that that man was invincible. That that man would always be there because they made you feel safe.

JENNIFER HEALY: But he was there because he wanted to be there. And he never complained.

JAKE HEALY: My dad went into the war knowing that there's a possibility of him dying. But I mean dad's a SEAL. He wanted to be out there for sure, that's all he wanted.

VILES: Now, most families in this situation want their privacy. This family wants America to know who Dan Healy was.

JENNIFER HEALY: He was just an amazing person. He made us laugh, he made us cry he made us want to go, arghhh.

CHELSEA HEALY, DAUGHTER OF DAN HEALY: I just want everybody to know he was a hero and I don't want them to forget it.

VILES: His teenaged children are poised and brave, but they miss their father.

CHELSEA HEALY: Everything just -- spending time with him.

JAKE HEALY: Every moment, you know. Will always be precious, and just remember everything and appreciate it. VILES: In the letter he wrote just before he died, Dan Healy told his son, quote, "give it everything you've got, you may not get another chance." Peter Viles for CNN, Bonita, California.

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WHITFIELD: "Newsweek" magazine is reporting e-mails between "Time" magazine reporter Matt Cooper and his editor show that President Bush's top political advisor Karl Rove spoke to Cooper the days before a CIA operative was revealed in the media.

It's not clear exactly what the two discussed. Rove's attorney claims Cooper called Rove in 2003 but he tells CNN his client did not disclose confidential information. A special prosecutor is investigating whether senior Bush administration officials leak the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame to the media in retaliation after her husband wrote an opinion piece critical of the administration.

A team of 40 investigators is following numerous leads today in the case of Dylan Groene, he's the nine-year-old Idaho boy who disappeared with his sister Shasta nearly seven weeks ago now. Shasta was found alive yesterday the question remains where is Dylan and is he alive. CNN's Sean Callebs is in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and brings us the latest. Sean?

SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fredricka, we're really no closer to the answer than we were earlier today. We can tell you, as you mentioned, investigators spent as much time with Shasta Groene yesterday. She's been through, of course, a very difficult ordeal over the past six weeks.

The chief investigator did get a number of tips and the 40 investigators fanned out all over the area trying to follow up the information as best they can. We can tell you that the little eight- year-old girl has been reunited with her father. She spent as much time with Steve Groene since yesterday when the young girl arrived at the hospital. Steve Groene was out of town when he received the good news his daughter had been found alive and rushed back.

Shasta had been missing since May 16th. That is when authorities found a grisly crime scene. Shasta's mother, brother and mother's boyfriend had been beaten to death. And authorities at that time discovered that both Shasta and nine-year-old Dylan were missing. Now authorities have no positive news on Dylan. To the best of their knowledge, they believe Dylan is no longer alive.

CAPT. BEN WOLFINGER, KOOTENAI CO. SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT (video clip): Based on the information, the investigators were able to put together yesterday, in totality led them to believe that Dylan is dead. And that's why we're working so diligently to try to verify that or find it's not true, because quite frankly, I'd be more than happy to stand up here and tell you that was the biggest mistake we ever made. Unfortunately, we don't think it's going to be there.

CALLEBS: Now, the Kootenai County Sheriff's Office as well as the FBI has been involved in this investigation since back in mid-may. But it had really been a case that baffled them until quick-thinking Denny's employees in the early morning hours of Saturday found eight- year-old Shasta sitting with 42-year-old Joseph Duncan.

That is when they called the authorities. The authorities came down and arrested Duncan. He has the been charged with kidnapping as well as being a fugitive from justice. Authorities found a stolen car in Duncan's possession, that is a red Jeep Laredo, they're trying to get as much information out of that vehicle trying to get a timeline to determine exactly where Duncan has been over the past six weeks if he has any knowledge of Dylan, if he has any knowledge of the grisly crime and certainly trying to figure out what happened to Shasta over these past six weeks.

We can tell you that Duncan is a sexual predator, he spent most of his adult life in prison for molesting children. He was just released recently, he has been in school in North Dakota, was supposed to graduate there, but really, much of his life at this point to authorities in this area is up in the air. So Fredricka, they are trying to find out how he ended up in this area from North Dakota, and if indeed Duncan has been here over that six week period.

WHITFIELD: And Sean, authorities say so far Duncan is not talking, he's obtained a lawyer. He will be appearing before magistrate in a couple of days, right?

CALLEBS: Exactly. He invoked his right not to speak before he gets an attorney. He will not get one until he makes his first appearance in court. That is scheduled after the July Fourth holiday. But somewhat different here in Kootenai County, he will not go to the courthouse for that first appearance. The first appearance in court is done via video from the jail. He will hear from the judge from about 3 1/2 miles away as they read the charges. That's the first we'll see and hear from Duncan.

WHITFIELD: All right. Sean Callebs, thank you very much.

Well, police have released the tapes of the gripping 911 calls that led to Shasta's rescue. There were two calls, in fact. Both came from the Denny's restaurant where Shasta was rescued. One came from a customer who recognized Shasta as the missing girl, and a second from a Denny's manager who phoned 911 after a waitress became suspicious. Here's that call first.

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OPERATOR: Dispatch, Breanna.

CALLER: Yeah, hi, Breanna, this is Linda, the manager at Denny's.

OPERATOR: Yeah.

CALLER: I have got a little girl here with a tall gentleman and she looks so much like that Shasta.

OPERATOR: Okay, are they still in the building? CALLER: Yeah, they're at table 20.

OPERATOR: And can you describe the male to me?

CALLER: He is probably, how tall is he? He's probably six, I'd say 6'3.

OPERATOR: Okay.

CALLER: And really slim.

OPERATOR: Okay.

CALLER: Dark hair, curly, with a hat on.

OPERATOR: Yeah, I'm sorry, table 20.

CALLER: Uh huh, it's all the way in the back of the restaurant.

OPERATOR: Alright.

CALLER: And we're not sure. I just - She looks so much like her and I just - I don't know.

OPERATOR: All right. We'll have someone go that way.

OPERATOR: Central Dispatch, this is Jenna.

CALLER: Yeah, Jenna, I just have something to tell you. I am sitting down here at Denny's and there is a little girl hat just walked in that looks exactly like that Shasta girl.

OPERATOR: Okay, is she still inside?

CALLER: Yes, she is and she's with an older man.

OPERATOR: She's with an older man?

CALLER: Yeah. And the thing that really triggered me the most is I was reading the Nicklesworth and I'd seen her picture in the Nicklesworth and I showed it to one of the waitress here and she said, Oh my God, she's in here.

CALLER: 3-5-5 R-E-P.

OPERATOR: 3-5-5

CALLER: R-E-P

OPERATOR: R-E-P.

CALLER: Yeah. Red Elephant Piano.

OPERATOR: Okay.

CALLER: Okay? OPERATOR: Thank you.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

WHITFIELD: Those are the 911 calls that led to the rescue of Shasta.

A surprise visit from the U.S. attorney general. He's talking with the troops in Iraq this Fourth of July weekend. What he told them.

Plus, in Aruba, new developments in the search for missing teen Natalee Holloway. We'll go there live for the details.

And G8 leaders are meeting this week, why should the world's richest countries care about the poorest ones. All ahead this hour on CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

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WHITFIELD: Three specially rigged F-16 warplanes are due to arrive in Aruba to help in the search for Natalee Holloway. The Alabama teenager was last seen on the Caribbean island almost five weeks ago. The F-16s are being sent from the Netherlands at request of the justice minister. The planes are equipped with infrared and sonar scanning capacity.

Well, suspects in the missing teen case were escorted from jail to the beach today. Chris Lawrence joins us live from Palm Beach, Aruba, to explain why. Chris? What was the logic?

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fredricka, basically from what the government and police are telling us it was to compare stories to see if the exact details what individual suspect is saying match up with each other.

Over the course of a few hours, police did take them on what they call a locational. In this case, a section of the beach down the shoreline behind me, and the points where the suspects say they last saw Natalee Holloway on the night she disappeared.

Just to give you a little bit of background to explain why that location is important. All three of these suspects initially said they dropped Natalee off back here at her hotel. That story then changed. And the two brothers in custody said they dropped off Natalee and Joran Van der Sloot at that section of beach. Joran Van der Sloot says he spent time with Natalee on the beach and ended up leaving her there alone.

Again, the suspects were taken there separately to see if what they said about that location and the exact details would match up with each other, and we also told that all three of them have been interrogated separately all day long. Prosecutors very aware they are only guaranteed until tomorrow morning.

That's when they go back into court and prove to a judge why they should be able to keep the suspects in custody for two more months or if the judge feels there is not enough evidence to hold them, he could very well let one or all of them walk free. Fredricka?

WHITFIELD: And Chris, how unusual of a practice is this for the Aruban authorities to take the suspects away from jail into and to a location they believe evidence may be located or some of the pieces put together to solve a crime?

LAWRENCE: Yeah, interesting you ask that. It's sometimes very hard here to confirm specific bits of information. When we initially started making calls about, this several high-ranking people in the government were saying, that's not true. That never happens. We never do that.

And you could hear them on the phone asking people in the room about this, about taking them there, and they said, no, that never happens. We never do that. Then later you find out this is a very unusual case, a case that Aruba has not seen the likes of before. And so perhaps the techniques and tactics they are using may be newer to people here on the island.

WHITFIELD: Chris Lawrence, thanks so much for the update from Palm Beach, Aruba.

In Iraq, a high-profile kidnapping today, could the insurgents be sending a message? The details straight ahead.

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WHITFIELD: Two important developments in Iraq. A visiting diplomat representing an American ally has been kidnapped and a top ranking Bush administration official on a surprise visit from Washington. Aneesh Raman has our report from Baghdad.

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ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In the most high-profile kidnapping Iraq has seen in months, Egypt's top envoy, Ihab al Sherif taken from his car on Saturday, the Egyptian embassy itself sealed off by security forces. On the cusp of becoming ambassador, al Sherif arrived in Iraq at start of June, his presence one of enormous regional importance. In Brussels last month, Iraq's foreign minister charged Arab states to do more in the fight for stability.

HOSHYAR ZEBAR, IRAQI FOREIGN MINISTER: We feel really some of our neighbors have not been helpful enough to help us in the security field and they were all here today in the conference and they heard our message loud and clear.

RAMAN: A message where the country's president in late June pushed the process sending an ambassador to post war Iraq. Al Sherif's kidnapping now a response from insurgents, raising the stakes for other Arab countries. Amid the word of the kidnapping, a high profile visit Sunday from an American cabinet secretary, U.S. attorney general Alberto Gonzales making an unannounced stop in Iraq meeting with government leaders, Justice Department employees and U.S. troops. ALBERTO GONZALES, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: And I'm here to tell you that you're the not alone. That the American people are very much with you. As the president talked about this week, what you're doing here in Iraq is so very important to the security of our country and the promotion of freedom around the world. There is so much at stake here.

RAMAN: The visit, Gonzales' first to Iraq comes amid feverish judicial speculation in Washington over a Supreme Court vacancy, the attorney general often mentioned as a possible nominee.

(on camera): Alberto Gonzales came to Iraq just days after President Bush addressed the American people. Clearly showing continued support for the ongoing struggle. But the very nature of the trip itself surprised and heavily guarded for security reasons shows how much work left there is to be done. Aneesh Raman, CNN, Baghdad.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Well, coming up -- from Live 8 to G-8, do these events really make a difference? Just like a dream you are not what you seem.

Plus here in the U.S. this weekend, we're celebrating independence. We'll go live to our nation's capital when CNN LIVE SUNDAY returns.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi. My name is Specialist Darrel Wilson (ph). I'm from ATC (ph) 108 Armor. I'm from Junpo (ph), Georgia. Currently stationed in Mahadia (ph), Iraq. I'd like to say hi to my wife Patricia Wilson. My little girls Shannon and Kerrigan (ph) and I'm on the PSD for colonel's PSD protection agency and I want to say happy Fourth of July. Hoo-ah.

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WHITFIELD: Here's what's happening now in the news. Eight-year- old Shasta Groene has reunited with her father at an Idaho hospital, while police question a sex offender about her missing brother Dylan. Investigators continue to search for the boy but fear she dead.

One member of a missing special ops team has been rescued in Afghanistan. The Pentagon is keeping details secret for now while the search for other members goes on. Sixteen troops died in a chopper crash as they were bringing reinforcements to the team.

U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales tells troops in Baghdad that they're not alone. The American people are with them. Gonzalez made a surprise trip to Iraq today. Exact itineraries are kept secret for security reasons.

And you can check out CNN's most popular video of the day at cnn.com, click on the video link at our Website. Watch it as many times as you want whenever you want, it's a whole new way to experience the power of CNN video, and it's free. Reviews are in for Live 8. The concert event rocked stages around the world on Saturday. It's receiving rave reviews from all corners, even Pope Benedict XVI is praising it. Live 8 organizers hope the marathon music event does what Live Aid did 20 years ago galvanized interest in African poverty, but it will pressure world leaders to help end the problem. Salih Booker is well acquainted with the extensive needs across Africa. He is the executive director of the Washington-based Africa Action. Good to see you, Salih.

SALIH BOOKER, AFRICA ACTION: Good to be here.

WHITFIELD: Well, are you convinced that the concerts did what they set out to do which is informing most of the world about the needs in Africa?

BOOKER: Well, it's done some good it. Certainly drew media attention to the problems of poverty in Africa. And it's possibly helped encourage a younger generation to learn more about Africa. But that good is at risk of being outweighed by the harm it's done and particularly this issue that celebrity's voices are obscuring the voices of Africans themselves. Indeed there was a little bit of a musical apartheid going on with African musicians not being invited to the major venues and being shunted aside.

WHITFIELD: Mostly being confined to the Johannesburg stage.

BOOKER: That's right, and another stage in Cornwall in the U.K. And so there's a danger here that the G-8 is listening to pop stars in the northern wealthy rich countries themselves, and not listening to the demands of Africans on the ground.

WHITFIELD: It does sound like you think the message was lost in the music, that perhaps people may have been mesmerized by the music, this great organization and conglomeration of all these great musicians coming to the various stages and perhaps not really getting why this is happening.

BOOKER: Well, we shouldn't expect that type of event to really be the educational vehicle. It can draw attention but celebrities cannot be the arbiters whether demands before the G-8 country should be, nor should they be the arbiters in deciding whether or not the G-8 should be praised for the actions they're going to take.

We know more or less what is going to come out of the G-8 meeting on issues of debt, on development assistance and on trade. The three critical areas of the agenda where action is desperately need to help address the problems of poverty in Africa.

WHITFIELD: But do you think there may be some benefit to a concert or series of concerts on this scale in that now there are people paying attention to the upcoming G-8 meeting, before they might not have understood or even cared that it was taking place because this perhaps, this event perhaps was a springboard of interest?

BOOKER: Well, there's a real question. Will the artists and fans joint existing global justice movement. There is a global justice movement that's been pestering the G-8, mobilizing against the G-8 for years now, demanding action. There was enormous demonstration hundreds of thousands in Edinburgh, Scotland, yesterday, in advance of the G-8 meeting.

That's what's needed. It's a political movement, not an entertainment event. So if those fans and if those artists joint larger global justice movement, I think progress can be made. But we must anticipate that these leaders of the richest countries on the face of the earth are not quite prepared to do what's necessary to end the structural inequalities that exist in the world today.

WHITFIELD: So say once the G-8 meetings take place to pour more resources and money into Africa to help out, stamp out many of these needs, is it your concern at all as to how and when these moneys will be coordinated throughout Africa to make sure that these funds do make it to those who are in the greatest need?

BOOKER: Well, that is, of course key, and again, we shouldn't be trying to save Africa without Africans. Africans themselves are the forefront of the struggles against poverty and their own countries. So with regard to the issue of debt cancellation, the G-8 have announced an agreement to cancel the debts of some 14 African countries, that leaves the majority of African countries out of deal.

Still paying back largely illegitimate debts to the richly country creditors and the international financial institutions, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund. This is money needed to stay home in Africa to contribute to fighting issues like HIV/AIDS and strengthening the health care delivery systems.

On development assistance there may be promises made from the rich countries of increasing aid but thus far, there's a very poor track record of the rich countries living up to the promises they've made in the past.

WHITFIELD: All right. Salih Booker, executive director of Africa Action, thank you for joining us this afternoon from Washington.

BOOKER: Thank you for having me.

WHITFIELD: Chilling confessions in court this week from BTK murderer Dennis Rader. How could a man, a leader in his community commit such horrible crimes? A former FBI agent joins me coming up next.

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WHITFIELD: Looking back on one of the big stories we followed. A chilling courtroom confession from notorious BTK serial killer Dennis Rader in Wichita, Kansas. Rader waived his right to a jury trial and pleaded guilty to ten brutal murders. For an entire hour, Rader explained in shockingly dispassionate detail how and why he killed his victims. Here is some of what we said, which we warn you, could be disturbing to some viewers.

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JUDGE GREG WALLER, WICHITA, KANSAS: Did you know these people?

DENNIS RADER, BTK KILLER: No, that's -- part of my, I guess what you call my fantasy. These people were selected.

WALLER: You were engaged in some kind of fantasy during this period of time?

RADER: Yes, sir.

WALLER: All right. When you use the term fantasy, is this something you were doing for your personal pleasure?

RADER: Sexual fantasy, sir.

Mr. Otero was strangled. A bag put over his head and strangled. Then I thought he was going down, and I went over and strangled Mrs. Otero. I thought she was down. And I strangled Josephine, and she was down. And went over to junior, put the bag on his head. After that, Mrs. Otero woke back up and, you know, she was pretty upset, what's going on, so I came back and at that point in time strangled her for the death strangle that the time.

WALLER: With your hands or what?

RADER: No, with a cord with, a rope. No.

WALLER: You indicated this woman lived down the street from you. Did she know you?

RADER: Casually, we'd walk by and wave. She liked to work in her yard. Just a neighborly-type thing. It wasn't anything personal, just a neighbor.

WALLER: All right. So she was in her bed when you turned on the lights in the bathroom.

RADER: Yeah, in the bathroom, so I could get some light in there.

WALLER: What did you do then?

RADER: I manually strangled her when she started to scream.

WALLER: You used your hands?

RADER: Yes, sir.

WALLER: And you strangled her. Did she die?

RADER: Yes, sir.

WALLER: What did you do next?

RADER: After that, since I was in the sexual fantasy, I went ahead and stripped her and probably went ahead -- I'm not sure if I tied her up at that point in time, anyway, she was nude, and I put her on a blanket, went through her purse, some personal items in the house, and figured out how I was going to get her out of there. Eventually moved her to the trunk of the car. Took the car over to Christ Lutheran Church, this is the older church, and took pictures of her.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WHITFIELD: To give us insight into the mind of serial killers like Rader return to Candice Delong, former FBI agent and profiler who worked on the BTK case. Good to see you, Candice. Well is Dennis Rader unique compared to other serial killers?

CANDICE DELONG, FORMER FBI PROFILER: No, not really. Most of them are able to talk about what they did dispassionately or talking about it turns them on. But they certainly don't display remorse.

WHITFIELD: He eluded authorities for so long, and here he was right under their noses. He seemed to blend in with the community. He was considered an upstanding citizen, someone who was involved with the church, boy scouts, et cetera, have s this what made him, obviously, so elusive and that much more baffling?

DELONG: Yes. Although, that is not inconsistent with the type of person that we see involved in this type of crime.

WHITFIELD: Really? In what way?

DELONG: Well, if they didn't blend in, and people took notice of them more than they do or were suspicious of them, they might come to the attention of police sooner than they do. When they are as unassuming and bland as Dennis Rader is, nobody thinks anything of it. I mean, of their personality.

WHITFIELD: So what can profilers such as yourself or investigators take away from what we've since learned about Dennis Rader, as it pertains to investigating other serial killers?

DELONG: Well, I would want to know from him how did he elude police? Was there ever a time when he felt he was going to get caught because he had done something wrong. What profilers are interested in the purpose of interviewing people like this and the people that commit these horrible crimes is to gain insight not only into why they commit the crimes in his case fulfilling a fantasy. But how do they commit the crimes? How do they get the victim? How do they elude detection and get rid of evidence? Things like that.

WHITFIELD: So based on the testimony you heard from him or his confession his taped confession there in court. Is there anything in particular that you learned from him that you thought was so unique that particularly will stand out as you investigate other crimes involving serial killers?

DELONG: Not particularly, but one of the reason is you can't automatically assume that everything he's saying in the courtroom or that he said last Monday in the courtroom is truthful. There is no one left alive to talk about exactly what happened in the homes with those people.

WHITFIELD: Serial killers are known to play a cat and mouse game, while they are elusive. While in court, do you feel like by him giving details in a very calm, matter of fact way, that once again, he was playing this sort of cat and mouse?

DELONG: Well, there were certain things he knew the police knew. So there was no getting around the fact that he killed every member of the Otero family. We know how they were killed. What he is probably leaving out are things that make him look even worse than he already looks. The sadistic things that I'm guessing happened there. I don't think he killed dispassionately killed these people as coolly and calmly as he's relating it.

WHITFIELD: In a way, do you think he took pride in describing the crimes in detail, feeling that law enforcement felt like they had uncovered every rock, that perhaps he is tormenting them by giving these details in court?

DELONG: I don't know about that. He had to give the details. The judge is asking him questions, he had to answer. So I'm not sure how much cat and mouse stuff is in there, you did ask did I think he was enjoying it or upset about recounting it? Absolutely not. Not upset at all. There is no hesitancy when he talks, he has no trouble saying the things he was saying that we find horrifying.

WHITFIELD: Candice Delong, former FBI profiler, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it.

DELONG: You're welcome.

WHITFIELD: Elsewhere across America -- a grim outcome to a missing child case in Oregon. The body of four-year-old Matal Zachary Sanchez was found yesterday. The primary cause of death has been listed as homicidal violence. His step grandmother has been charged with aggravated murder. Police say Christine Coffman led them to the heavily wooded area where the little boy's body was found.

Remember a former statesman and conservations. Gaylord Nelson died this morning at the age of 89. He served two terms as Wisconsin governor and three as a U.S. senator. His claim to fame, the founding of earth day two decades ago.

And once again, a small plane flies into restricted airspace over the presidential retreat at Camp David. Two F-16 fighter jets intercepted and forced the pilot to land at a nearby airport. The Secret Service says the pilot was interviewed and released.

Your Fourth of July celebrations may be all about fireworks, hot dogs and hamburgers, right some our next guest says it's about much more. Up next a little history lesson on 1776, and the reason we celebrate the Fourth of July.

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WHITFIELD: Live pictures now of people beginning to gather there for the dress rehearsal of a real tradition there at the nation's capital. A star-studded Fourth of July concert in Washington taking place with fireworks in the background on the Fourth of July, that taking place tomorrow. Just moment ago, Gloria Estefan did a sound check, and among the other performers expected the Ojays as well as Jimmy Smits, and it will be part of a PBS live show. It's usually called the "Capital Fourth." That's what it's called again this year as well.

Whether it's fireworks or family get-togethers, Americans usher in the Fourth of July with festive celebrations but the original independence day followed a long and painful period as brave soldiers battled the British in the Revolutionary War. I recently got a chance to sit down with author David McCullough who details fascinating facts about the struggle for independence in his best-seller book "1776."

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WHITFIELD: So, Mr. McCullough, you have mastered the colossal challenge of taking on in detail writing history, rewriting history. You have focused in recent years primarily of biographies of presidents. In this instance, you decided to talk about the founding year, why?

DAVID MCCULLOUGH, HISTORY: The most important year and the most important conflict in our history, the Revolutionary War, which is what gave birth to the country and the ideals and principles upon which we hope the country will always be based.

And it was an exciting time, of course a time when people are faced with terrible hardships and suffering because they were trying to overcome the greatest military power in the world. Nor were all of the American people for the revolution, probably only a third were for it.

WHITFIELD: You talk about not only the battles on the surface people are expecting to read about, but you talk about the battles within about everything from camp fever to the sanitation issues, prostitution.

MCCULLOUGH: Yes. WHITFIELD: Where do you get your research? Where do you get the detail in which to talk further about it in your book?

MCCULLOUGH: Well, you go to what are called primary sources, letters, diaries, orderly books, government records, city records, and there's an enormous amount material. Enormous. I must have worked with 70 or 75 diaries, and a lot that's in London because the archives there are rich with material.

I had the privilege of writing about marvelous people, men in the ranks, shoemakers, farmers, as well as some of the lesser-known officers under George Washington. Washington is really the principal character of the book but it's not a biography of Washington.

WHITFIELD: But there is something fascinating about him you choose to write about. His role in the Revolutionary War, this period, isn't it?

MCCULLOUGH: There are several things about him people don't understand. First of all, he was quite young. He was only 43 when he took command. He has never commanded an army before in his life, and he had a lot to learn. And he made serious mistake, particularly in the year 1776, especially in the year 1776.

But he was a man who learned from his mistakes here, he learned from experience which was one of his great strengths. He also never forgot what the war was about and never, ever gave up, never quit. And he wasn't an intellectual like Adams or Jefferson, and wasn't a great orator, he wasn't a brilliant general like Napoleon, let's say, he was a leader. And men would follow him. They'd follow him through hell.

WHITFIELD: What are you most proud about with this book?

MCCULLOUGH: That I have told the other side of the story of what happened in 1776 beside the drama of Philadelphia and Independence Hall and the writing and the signing of the Declaration of Independence so that people will understand that we are the home of the free and the brave, but we couldn't be free unless we are brave. And the bravery of those troops who fought with Washington is a story every American should understand, and the suffering they went through.

We've got to know who we are and where we came from and how we got where we are, and realize that it's up to us to carry on with what might be called work in progress. America is work in progress. This is where it began.

I think if history isn't written as something for people to read, if it doesn't at least aspire to be literature, it will die. And we can't let that happen. It's also what I love to do.

WHITFIELD: Well, so many of us love do it so well and that you love your work. And we appreciate reading all of your documents.

MCCULLOUGH: Thank you very much.

WHITFIELD: Mr. McCullough, thanks so much and happy independence weekend.

MCCULLOUGH: Happy independence forever.

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WHITFIELD: And once again, David McCullough's book is entitled "1776." Living on a dollar a day. It's a reality for many families in Africa's poorest countries. Still ahead we'll introduce to you one of the families from Kenya. An inside look how they get by day after day.

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WHITFIELD: Ahead this hour. Back to the Aruban beach where suspects say they saw Natalee Holloway. A live update on the hunt for the missing teen is just moments away.

Also ahead, a child is safe but police fear the worst for her brother. We'll explain why in a live report from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.

And the dramatic rescue of a Special Forces member missing in Afghanistan. The latest details ahead from the Pentagon.

Hello, and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. All that and more ahead after a look at the headlines.

Government officials say a single engine Cessna strayed too close to Camp David where President Bush is spending the weekend. The plane was intercepted by two fighter jets and escorted to a nearby airfield. The Secret Service says the pilot was released.

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