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Development In Case Of Natalee Holloway; Investigators Try To Find Dylan Groene; U.S. Special Ops Recon Soldier Rescued In Afghanistan; International Olympic Committee To Select Host City For 2012 Summer Games; New Skin Products; Alberto Gonzales Goes On Surprise Trip To Iraq; Rove Talked To Reporter Prior To CIA Name Leak; Egypt Convoy Kidnapped; Interview With Dan Healy's Family; NASA To Crash Spacecraft Into Comet; Annin & Company Flags

Aired July 03, 2005 - 18:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Carol Lin. Our top story in just a moment, but first the stories making news right now. A development in the case of a missing teen in Aruba. Police escorted three suspects, one at the time to the beach near the hotel where Natalee Holloway was staying. Investigators wanted to compare the suspect's accounts of what happened on the beach. The Alabama teen has been missing now, five weeks.
A top al-Qaeda terrorist was killed today in a clash in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. He was wanted for terrorist acts in that country. A senior Saudi official said the al-Qaeda member was killed between Saudi security forces and suspected militants.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez to day made a surprise visit to Baghdad. The trip was kept secret for security reasons. Gonzalez told U.S. troops that what they're doing is important for promoting freedom around the world.

And remember, you can view more "CNN Reports" on-line, just visit CNN.com, and click on "Watch" to check out the most popular stories including more on the Idaho girl just found, Shasta Groene.

In the mean time, in Aruba, some new developments in the Natalee Holloway investigation. Three suspects in the teen's disappearance were escorted from jail to the beach, today. Chris Lawrence joins us live from Palm Beach, Aruba.

Chris, what were they trying to accomplish with these suspects?

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well Carol, they had them reconstruct what happened on that beach to see if the details of their stories would match up or don't fit. Remember, all three of the suspects say their involvement with Natalee Holloway ended at that beach, just about a 10 minute walk up the shoreline.

Just to give you a little bit of background, all three of the initially said they dropped Natalee Holloway off back at her hotel. The stories changed a couple of times, the latest one we are hearing, is that two brothers dropped off Natalee and Joran on that particular beach. Joran van der Sloot says that he spent some time with her there, but at some point in the night, he wanted to go, she wanted to stay and he says he left her alone on that beach and then went home.

Now, prosecutors have been interrogating them all day and they have to realize that time may be running out, because tomorrow, they've got to go to court and prove to a judge why they should be able to hold these suspects in custody for up to another two months without actually filing formal charges against them. The judge could rule they have the evidence to do so. On the other hand, he could say there's not enough evidence and let on or all of them walk free -- Carol.

LIN: All right, Chris Lawrence, thanks for very much for the very latest.

You were taking a look at those pictures, there, well, Jossy Mansur is the owner and publisher of "Diario" a newspaper in Aruba. He joins me live from Palm Beach with insight to the latest trip to the beach, since his publication got these exclusive photos.

Jossy, how did you get the photos? What the photographer tipped off by authorities?

JOSSY MANSUR, PUBLISHER/OWNER, "DIARIO": Well, of course, we got a tip-off and one of the people that work for us as a photographer, went and took these pictures.

LIN: And from your understanding, what were investigators -- what did they actually accomplish with this trip?

MANSUR: What they accomplished was -- is normal in police investigations here in Aruba, is to match the declarations of the suspects to the actual spots. It's called a "spot verification," we call it "reconstruction." They just wanted to go over every single step that these boys have told them that they made that early morning when Natalee disappeared.

LIN: Did their stories match up?

MANSUR: We don't know that yet, but only the police knows that now.

LIN: All right, I'm taking a look at the pictures, Jossy, and it's incredible to me, I have never seen a criminal suspect taken to the scene of the crime. And then look at this, you know, they're wearing handcuffs, people are walking around in their bikinis. Did it seem bizarre to you?

MANSUR: It seemed very bizarre to me, yes, because of the ambiance involved, no? But not as far as the procedure is concerned, it is normal procedure in police work in Aruba, but not this way...

LIN: Is it your...

MANSUR: But not...

LIN: Yeah, not this way. It was very unusual.

MANSUR: Not on the beach. That was rather unusual.

LIN: I mean, what was the reaction of the people on the beach to these guys?

MANSUR: They were look -- they were flabbergasted looking at with this. This guy walking around handcuffed behind his back and police escorting him from all over, and on photographer taking official shots for the police department.

LIN: I mean, they had to know who these guys were, right?

MANSUR: Of course. Of course.

LIN: This is a big story in Aruba?

MANSUR: It is, ma'am, it's been talked about in every household from the beginning.

LIN: Is it your sense now that the investigation is picking up steam? Or does it feel like to you investigators are grappling?

MANSUR: No, no, it is picking up speed. They have a lot of other things to go on that we don't know because they don't let on much, they don't give out much information. But I think that this latest that you saw here today on the beach is to beef up, to boost their knowledge of the case so that tomorrow, they will feel more confident in going and asking for an extension of 60 days detention for all three of them.

LIN: You know, looking at these suspects, they seem relaxed. Their body language doesn't seem to me they seem very worried or tense at all.

MANSUR: No, they seem very relaxed to me, too.

LIN: An unusual demeanor, there. Jossy, thank you very much. Jossy Mansur, for sharing those pictures with us and giving us what little progress, perhaps, is made in this investigation. Thank you.

We want to move now on to another important story, this one out of Idaho. Investigators are pouring over evidence to find 9-year-old Dylan Groene. Dylan's younger sister, Shasta, was found yesterday, alive. Sean Callebs is live now from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho right now, with the very latest on that story.

Sean, you covered a news conference that happened a short time ago. What are investigators saying about the possibility of finding this little boy alive?

SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, really there's not very much good news on this topic. This is something, of course, everybody in this community is certainly holding out hope for, but the authorities have been very blunt, saying, all the information they have at this time leads them to believe that young 9-year-old Dylan Groene is no longer alive. Certainly a very agonizing time, very bittersweet time for the family members in this area. We can tell you, however, Shasta Groene is at the hospital. We can only imagine what she's been through over the past six weeks. But the authorities say, given her ordeal, she is in pretty good condition.

She has been reunited with her father. This after in the early morning hours of Saturday, some patrons and some sharp-eyed employees at a local Denny's noticed eight year-old Shasta walking into that Denny's with 42-year-old Joseph Duncan. This is a repeat sex offender.

Now, he was arrested and almost immediately, authorities made some calls, and the authorities were able to come down, but at that time, Shasta was taken into custody, into protective custody. She was taken to the hospital, and we'll let the authorities tell you how she's doing.

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CAPT. BEN WOLFINGER, KOOTENAI CO. SHERIFF'S DEPT: Shasta is resting comfortably at the hospital. She was joined by her father yesterday. Her father spent the night at the hospital with her. She's doing well. Hospital spokesperson told us that her condition is "good."

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CALLEBS: Now, as for Duncan, he is in the local jail, here. He will make his first appearance in court after the July 4 holiday, on Tuesday. He has been charged with kidnapping, as well as being a fugitive from justice. This is somebody who has spent most of his adult life in prison for child molestation. Now, the authorities were able to speak with Shasta somewhat extensively, yesterday. They're taking all that information, they've been going out, doing what they can in their search for Dylan -- Carol.

LIN: Sean, but it's true that since Joseph Duncan isn't going to be in court until Tuesday, he doesn't get an attorney then -- until then, and therefore authorities can't even question him right now, can they?

CALLEBS: Right, he has evoked his right not to be questioned until he has a lawyer and when he does go to court, they do things a little bit different here in the Kootenai County. Instead of actually traveling to the courthouse, he will be in the jail via a video hook- up, he will be able to see and hear the judge and that's the way they will do it and that's the first time we will hear and get a chance to look at Joseph Duncan.

LIN: And it seems like there's more questions than answers because authorities can't absolutely assume that Joseph Duncan was actually at the murder scene. They still don't know how he hooked up with Shasta Groene.

CALLEBS: Exactly, if you listened to this news conference today, it was long on questions, but the answers were not that forthcoming, they were -- at this point, they were either keeping tight-lipped, or they simply don't know. They were asking the public for any information about this red 2005 Jeep Loredo that Duncan was driving. It was a car that was stolen.

He had stolen plates from the Missouri area. So, they're trying to find out from local residents if they saw this car in the area. Trying to set up some kind of timeline to see if, indeed, Duncan was here, and if anybody could have seen Duncan with either Dylan or Shasta during that time period.

LIN: Right, and I should add, the murder scene is where Shasta Groene and Dylan's mother and her boyfriend and their brother were found bludgeoned to death in Idaho.

Thanks very much Sean Callebs...

CALLEBS: Back on May 16, right.

LIN: Yeah, the middle of May. All right, coming up in a few minutes, I'm going take you back to Coeur d'Alene and talk to the FBI agents in charge of the case to see what evidence they have they actually found in that Jeep and where they'd go to try to find this little boy.

In the meantime, trapped in hostile territory, a U.S. Special Ops Recon soldier evaded the enemy and survived. He is safe now, rescued by U.S. troops and said to be in good shape, today. But, others members of his unit are still missing. Kathleen Koch is at the Pentagon with the very latest on this -- Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Carol, it's welcome news in what has otherwise been a grim story: 16 killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan on Tuesday. And those they went to rescue, missing until now.

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KOCH: The search through rugged mountains near the border of Pakistan yielded some results, Saturday, a U.S. official says one member of the missing ground unit evaded the enemy and was rescued by U.S. forces. The Special Operations Reconnaissance Team went missing in Afghanistan Tuesday, after it was caught in a fierce firefight with suspected al-Qaeda militants and called for help.

Chinook helicopters were dispatched, but one crashed after being hit by what the military believes was a rocket propelled grenade, killing all onboard. The official would give no details about the others members of the ground teams still missing or described as circumstances of the serviceman's rescue other than to say he was in good shape. So the search continues with both U.S. and Afghan forces participating.

Meanwhile, the bodies of some of the 16 killed in the helicopter crash were due to arrive at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. The Pentagon released the names were released Saturday night. (END VIDEOTAPE)

KOCH: And so while one family has learned that their loved one has been found, for others, this has been a weekend of mourning, and of waiting, to find if other missing service members will come home alive -- Carol.

LIN: Kathleen, why is the Pentagon being so cautious of not naming the number of people still missing in this operation?

KOCH: Well Carol, obviously, the Pentagon does not want to give any advantage whatsoever to the enemy, to these al-Qaeda militants that might be there in the area. These militants that the Special Ops forces the ground were involved in a firefight with. They just don't want to do anything to put these men's lives at risk.

LIN: All right, should they still be alive and let's hope they are.

KOCH: That's right.

LIN: Thanks very much, Kathleen Koch reporting live at the Pentagon.

Coming up later in this program, from the from lines, you are going to see the lasting legacy of one of the men killed aboard the chopper that crashed in Afghanistan.

And, tonight, at 10:00 Easter, I'm going to talk with our military intelligence analyst, Ken Robinson, about how they're going to rescue the rest of the missing Special Ops Recon soldiers.

In the meantime, we know how that Sandra Day O'Connor has resigned and President Bush has the opportunity he has been waiting for. We're going to go live to the White House.

It is decision time for the International Olympic Committee, as well. This week, it picks the site of the 2012 games. My guest is pretty sure about which city is going to get the bid.

Also, a look at what's new in summer skin care? What are the new products, and what can you do if you are already wrinkled and spotted? Is there are solution?

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LIN: Now back to Idaho. Investigators are teaming with the FBI to try to find Dylan Groene. He is only nine years old and disappeared with Shasta Groene seven weeks ago. Investigators are pretty sure Dylan is dead, but they are not giving up hope. FBI special agent in charge, Tim Fuhrman, is working with Idaho investigators right now.

Mr. Fuhrman, evidence has been collected from Joseph Duncan's red Jeep and is being sent to an FBI crime lab for analysis. What are you hoping that this physical evidence is going to tell you? TIM FUHRMAN, FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: Well clearly, as with any evidence, we hope that it will lead us to the ability to find Dylan, which of course, is our number one priority in the investigation, at this particular time. We will process that evidence over various laboratories and proceed according to the findings that the laboratory makes.

LIN: Can you characterize the nature of the evidence collected?

FUHRMAN: Fredricka (SIC), I'd prefer not to characterize the nature. I would say that we were successful in obtaining some evidence and once we get it further analyzed by the labs, we will go ahead and set up the leads accordingly to follow up on what the labs are able to obtain.

LIN: Can you tell me whether Shasta Groene has been helpful in your investigation?

FUHRMAN: Well obviously, it is a young girl who has been through a lot. We clearly did talk to her and, you know, I think any information that she can provide is helpful. We have to balance her individual needs, the needs of her family, and the investigators needs throughout the situation.

LIN: All right Mr. Fuhrman, because I am just trying to do my job, here, but reading between the lines, what you are telling me is that Shasta, it sounds like that she is still recovering from this ordeal and that she maybe still too traumatized to even have a coherent conversation with investigators about any details?

FUHRMAN: Well, I am not going to read between the lines. Clearly, Shasta was interviewed by investigators and we hope to do that, she is still, as far as I know, in the hospital and she is recovering nicely and we will discuss this case with her at a later time, when we feel it is appropriate and necessary.

LIN: All right, well how do you think, at this point, knowing what you know, how do you think Joseph Duncan came across Shasta Groene?

FUHRMAN: At this point in time, I have no idea. As you are probably aware, Mr. Duncan has evoked his right to a lawyer and we do not have any information from him at this point in time as to how he came across Shasta Groene.

LIN: So, you're not even sure if he was actually at the murder scene where her mother and her mother's boyfriend and her brother were bludgeoned to death?

FUHRMAN: At this point in time that's one of the things we do want to develop during the course of our investigation. No only if he was there, or there were any other individuals that were at the murder scene.

LIN: Are there any other search warrants issued at this time or any other suspects that you're looking for, anything the public can do to help?

FUHRMAN: No, there is nothing we're asking the public can do now, except, as has been mentioned repeatedly in the last 24 hours, whenever Mr. Duncan's picture is shown in that red Jeep he was found in, if people have seen him, to call the appropriate tip line.

LIN: All right, because frankly, he could have been anywhere in the country, sightings as far as Florida some tip lines have been saying.

FUHRMAN: We have had tips from all over the country and we have followed up on those, and we will continue to follow up on those. This -- at this point in time, this phase of the investigation, it's still a bit early, it's just a little over 24 hours. And we will continue and....

LIN: I know you will.

FUHRMAN: And work to find him and I appreciate your -- the media's help with this, too.

LIN: All right, Tim Fuhrman, thank you very much. FBI special agent in charge out there...

FUHRMAN: Thank you, Fredricka.

LIN: In Idaho.

FUHRMAN: Thank you.

LIN: I am sure Fredricka would have loved to have the pleasure to have spoken to him.

Anyway, still to come on CNN LIVE SATURDAY, the race for the 2012 Olympics heats up. We're going to talk about which city is leading the pack.

And later on, you are going to meet the men and women who keep America stocked in the red, white, and blue.

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LIN: Deja vu all over again. Roger Federer wins his third straight Wimbledon tennis title. Federer defeated Andy Roddick in the finals just like he did last year. And now, he is undefeated in five grand slam tournament finals.

Now, in the women's finals yesterday, Venus Williams claimed a come from behind victory, she beat top ranked Lindsay Davenport. It was the longest Wimbledon -- women's final ever, two hours and 45 minutes long.

And Lance Armstrong is trying for his seventh straight tour de France win. He finished in the main pack in the second stage, today. Yesterday, in a time trial, Armstrong came in second. Now, the International Olympic Committee will select a host city for the 2012 summer games pretty soon, and New York is one of the finalists. But "Newsweek" correspondent, Devin Gordon, is pretty sure who is going to get this bid.

Devin, don't keep us waiting, you don't think it's new York do you?

DEVIN GORDON, "NEWSWEEK": No, I'm afraid not. I think it would take a little bit of hail Mary at this point.

LIN: All let's talk about it in just a moment. Who do think the pick is going to be?

GORDON: It's -- I think all signs are pointing to Paris, right now. I think if Paris didn't get it it would be a tremendous upset and if it were to happen, it would probably be London, not New York.

LIN: Really, and what is it about Paris that would be appealing to the International Olympic Committee?

GORDON: Well, there's a couple of things, first of all. They haven't made any mistakes in the presentation; they have the tremendous support of their country behind this Olympic bid. They've been flawless throughout the process. And the IOC really rewards persistence. Paris has been through this process twice before, if I'm not mistaken, I believe it was '92 and 2008. They lost both times and are coming back a third time. And the IOC like to see cities stick with it and try to repeat and try to win. This will be their third shot and this will help.

LIN: Plus, they don't have to build anything, do they?

GORDON: I'm sorry?

LIN: They don't have to build anything.

GORDON: They don't have to build anything. Although, the fact is, that not having to build something can be helpful for them., because there's not going to be any last minute construction rush, a la Athens. But it can also help them, I mean, if London is going to sneak in, it could ironically be one of the reasons why.

I mean, the fact that Paris already has everything built, sort of takes a little bit of the wow factor out of their bill -- their bid. And London is building so much that getting the Olympics would basically transform a major portion of the city and the Olympics, the IOC, likes to have their Olympic leave a legacy on a city. You know, if they pick London, it would definitely do that.

LIN: But, at the same time there's a political equation with going with a European city now, right? Because that means in 2000 -- what, the next time would be 2016, that a U.S. city may have a better shot.

GORDON: Yeah, there's -- one of the things that could come back to hurt Paris' bid, theoretically, in fact all of the European bid, and potentially help New York, is the fact that there are some European cities floating out there that want to take a shot at 2016.

And their belief is that if Europe ends up with the Olympics in 2012, the IOC, which really likes to rotate the games around the world, might want to go away from Europe the next time. Maybe to New York, for example, or maybe even to somewhere like South America, like Rio de Janeiro.

LIN: But also, speaking of politics, I mean, it -- was there a sentiment with the IOC, or is there a sentiment with the IOC that if it were to pick an American city at a time when the United States is at war in Afghanistan and Iraq, not a choice when it comes to making a statement about international brotherhood?

GORDON: It's entirely possible, I mean, politics definitely do play a role. I think that the politics that are going to come back and haunt New York are not necessarily global politics, but actually IOC politics. The last time the United States held the summer Olympics on its soil was in your town there in Atlanta. And the Atlanta Olympics of '96 were the exact example of what the IOC does want a summer Olympics to be. It was seen as over commercialized, of course it had...

LIN: And not to mention the Olympic Park bombing.

GORDON: Yeah, and the Olympic Park bombing, as well. That obviously, didn't leave a good mark on the games. And so, the U.S. definitely doesn't -- isn't sitting quite as high with the IOC right now, and also because of the bribing scandal that came along with the Salt Lake games. There's a lot of people in the IOC right now, who aren't that high on the United States for reasons that go far beyond any political situations they might have with war or Afghanistan, et cetera, et cetera.

LIN: All right. Devin Gordon, well, time heals all wounds, but maybe 2016, but we'll see if you're right about Paris. Paris gets a 10 tonight.

All right, well will both sides play nice? That is what several senators want. So, up coming, we're going to go live to the White House for an update on the Supreme Court vacancy and what President Bush is going to do.

And later on, a NASA spacecraft has a date with a comet tonight, and it's got a lot of people very excited.

You're watching CNN LIVE SATURDAY.



LIN: Welcome back I'm Carol Lin and here's a quick look at what's happening right now in the news. The FBI is analyzing evidence from the Jeep of the sex offender charged with kidnapping Shasta Groene in Idaho. Now, the girl is safe after being missing for more than six weeks, but her brother is feared dead at this point. Investigators in Aruba took three suspects to a beach near the hotel where American student Natalee Holloway stayed before she disappeared. They were taken one at a time and questioned to see if their stories match.

The Dutch government is sending two F-16 jets with special search equipment to look for Natalee Holloway.

Now, CNN has word of an American military success in Afghanistan. A U.S. official says one member of a missing Special Ops team evaded the enemy and has been rescued. Others remain missing and the search continues.

In Maine, a school bus taking kids to an amusement park, rolled over injuring several of them. There were no life threatening injuries and most of those who were hurt only suffered bumps and bruises.

Now, he has been the U.S. attorney general for only a few months, but Alberto Gonzales may already be running for a new job, and not just any job, either. Gonzales is considered a possible candidate to succeed retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. Well today, Gonzales was nowhere near Washington, and the speculation about his future. With more on that we go to CNN's Elaine Quijano at the White House.

Interesting time for him to be out of the country, Elaine.

ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It certainly is very interesting. But, just days after President Bush delivered that primetime address, you'll recall, trying to boost public support for the Iraq war, his attorney general, Alberto Gonzales took an unexpected an unannounced trip overseas to boost moral among the troops in Iraq. But his trip comes as speculation here in Washington is swirling about whether Gonzales might be President Bush's pick for a spot on the nation's high court.

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QUIJANO (voice-over): His visit came as a surprise.

ALBERTO GONZALES, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: And I'm here to tell you that you're not alone.

QUIJANO: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, delivering 4th of July greetings in Baghdad. He told U.S. troops and Justice Department staffers, now assisting the Iraqi government, their mission is worthwhile.

GONZALES: What you're doing here in Iraq is so very important to the security of our country and the promotion of freedom around the world. There is so much at stake here, so what you do is so very, very important.

QUIJANO: But, the attorney general is in the spotlight for another reason. With the White House now looking of a successor for retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, some conservatives are hoping the president will not choose Gonzales.

C. BOYDEN GRAY, THE COMMITTEE FOR JUSTICE: There's some in the conservative movement who are suspicious of him because of his rulings, when he was a judge, on abortion and his performance, some of the actions taken in his last counsel on Affirmative Action.

SEN. ORRIN HATCH (R), JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: If the president chooses Alberta Gonzales, I think Alberto Gonzales will do the job, do it well and I think we would all feel pretty good about.

QUIJANO: Both liberal and conservative groups are already mobilizing, ready to back or attack whomever President Bush nominates. But the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee is calling for decorum.

SEN. ARLEN SPECTER (R), JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN: There are predictions that it's going to be a tough battle, if it is we are prepared for it. But, what I think we need to do is to have a professional hearing.

QUIJANO: And the ranking democrat on the committee echoes that.

SEN. PATRICK LEAHY (D), JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: I really wish everybody would relax a little bit and let the process carry out.

QUIJANO: At the same time, democrats say the tenor of process will be determined how closely President Bush consults with them.

SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY (D), JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: This is up to the president, if he wants to pick a judge, we want to be able to support it. But, if he wants to have a fight about it, then, that is going to be the case.

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QUIJANO: Now, the president says he is looking forward to meeting with democrats when he returns from the G8 Summit in Europe this week, and aides are saying not to expect President Bush to announce a decision on a nominee until at least then -- Carol.

LIN: All right, we'll be waiting. Thanks very much, Elaine Quijano, live at the White House.

"Newsweek" magazine is reporting that e-mails between "Time" magazine reporter, Matt Cooper, and his editors, show that President Bush's top political advisor, Karl Rove spoke to Cooper in the days before a CIA operative was revealed in the media. Now, it's not clear exactly what the two discussed. Rove's attorney confirms Cooper called Rove in July 2003, but he tells CNN his client did not disclose any confidential information.

A special prosecutor is investigating whether senior Bush administration officials leaked the name of CIA operative, Valerie Plame to the media in retaliation after her husband wrote an opinion piece critical of the administration. Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin tell CNN that prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, conferred to him, even last week, that Rove is not a target of the investigation. The head of Egypt's diplomatic mission to Iraq is missing today after being kidnapped in Baghdad, last night. The "Associated Press" quotes witness saying about eight gunmen pistol-whipped him forced him into a trunk. CNN's Aneesh Raman has more from Baghdad.

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ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the most high profile kidnapping Iraq has seen in months, Egypt's top envoy, Ihab al-Sherif taken from his car on Saturday. The Egyptian embassy, itself, sealed off by security forces. On the cusp of becoming ambassador, al-Sherif arrived in Iraq at the start of June, his presence, one of enormous regional importance. In Brussels last month, Iraq's foreign minister charged Arab states to do more in the fight for stability.

HOSHYAR ZEBARI, IRAQI FOREIGN MINISTER: So we feel really, some of our neighbors have not been helpful enough to help us in the security field and they are all here today in the conference, and they heard our message loud and clear.

RAMAN: A message heard in Egypt, where the country's president, in late June, became the first Arab leader pushing the process, sending an ambassador to post-war Iraq. Al-Sherif's kidnapping now, a response, it seems, from insurgents, raising the stakes for other Arab countries.

Aneesh Raman, CNN, Baghdad.

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LIN: Every week, we like to bring you the more personal stories from the front line. But today, the story is of a senior chief petty officer, Dan Healy. He was one of the U.S. Navy SEALs killed in Tuesday's chopper crash in Afghanistan. Now, his family says he left them with many memories and the legacy of a hero. Here's our Peter Viles.

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PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): About 10 days ago, Dan Healy wrote his son a letter, an e-mail from Afghanistan. The message was simple, "Always try your best. Never give up."

JAKE HEALY, DAN HEALY'S SON: My dad always tried his best, it's like, anything -- if you threw anything at him, he would always do his best and you know, just ace it.

VILES: Those who knew him, like his sister, Jennifer, had heard that message a lot.

JENNIFER HEALY, DAN HEALY'S SISTER: That's his thing. You don't give up, you know, you find a different way around it, you find a different way to handle it, and just be true to yourself.

VILES: Dan Healy, here he is in Afghanistan, knew about perseverance. He was a Navy SEAL for 15 years. Now, the training to become a SEAL is so punishing, that more than half the recruits who say they want to be SEALs, drop out.

JENNIFER HEALY: He was a proud SEAL, he was a damn good SEAL, and he was a damn good man.

VILES: Dan Healy was in that helicopter shot down in Afghanistan last week. He died in those mountains along with 15 other American servicemen.

VIANNE CENTENO, DAN HEALY'S EX-WIFE: I know every other family that lost a loved one, I know what they felt. I know they thought that that man was invincible. That that man would always be there, because they made you feel safe.

JENNIFER HEALY: But, he was there because he wanted to be there and he never complained.

JAKE HEALY: My dad went into the war, knowing that there was a possibility that him dying, but I mean, as it -- still, he wanted to be out there, for sure. That's all he wanted.

VILES: Now, most families in this situation want their privacy. This family wants America to know who Dan Healy was.

JENNIFER HEALY: He was just an amazing person. He made us laugh, made us cry, he made us want to go ahh!

CHELSEA HEALY, DAUGHTER OF DAN HEALY: I just want everybody to know that he was a hero. I mean, I don't want them to forget him.

VILES: His teen-aged children are poised and brave, but they miss their father.

C. HEALY: Everything just, spending time with him.

JAKE HEALY: Every moment, you know, will always be precious and, you want to just remember everything, appreciate it.

VILES: In the letter he wrote just before he died, Dan Healy told his son quote, "Give it all you've got. You may not get another chance."

Peter Viles for CNN, Bonita, California.

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LIN: well, It's summer, you are outside a lot, and your skin is glowing with the tan that will, frankly, leave you spotted and wrinkled for years to come. OK, it's not that bad, but there are a whole bunch of new products that can help protect your skin and you can actually shift those spots and wrinkles into reverse.

Peggy Northrup is in New York, she's editor in chief of "More" magazine.

Peggy, that is good news at least to know that if damage has been done that there are ways to correct it. But let's first talk about what's new out there. What are some of the new products out there, in general, ingredients that you think might be interesting to people?

PEGGY NORTHRUP, "MORE" MAGAZINE: One of the wonderful things that's happened in the industry is that people are really taking our concern seriously and all of us who said, well, it's too greasy, too heavy, my make-up won't stay on. The companies that make sunscreen have really done a good job of addressing those concerns. So, you now have gel-based formulas, you have moisturizers with sunscreen in them so they're so much easier to use.

LIN: And anything sunscreen more appealing and gets people to use is a good thing, but it's always still very confusing about SPF thing. I mean, most moisturizers out on the counter, cosmetic moisturizers, have an SPF of 15, but I always feel like I should be shooting for a higher number.

NORTHRUP: You should be shooting for a higher number if you're spending any significant amount of time outside. If you're just walking to your car and you know you're going to be indoors all day, 15 is really fine, but it does get too diluted or protection out in the sun, especially over a holiday weekend where people are really outside with their families. You need at least a 30, that's what everyone is recommending these days.

LIN: You know, overseas you can get like SPF of 90.

NORTHRUP: You can, and I can't find any dermatologist to tell me that a 90 is worth it, so I think we're really safe with 30.

LIN: OK.

NORTHRUP: It's up to you, 45 you know, you want to pay that much, that's fine.

LIN: All right. All right, so let's say you have a few brown spots already and a few fine wrinkles, you actually say you can do things in all this in reverse, and actually help your skin start healing itself?

NORTHRUP: You can do that. There are a lot of anti-aging products out on the market that will start to use AHAs, for example. To...

LIN: Alphahydroxy acids?

NORTHRUP: That's right. The thing you have to be careful about, though, is a lot of us, especially my readers who are in their 40s and 50s, we're experimenting with these wonderful anti-aging and anti- wrinkle products, but that means we're even more vulnerable to the sun. So, you have to step up your sun protection when you're using those kinds of products. I mean, even microdermabrasion, puts -- thins out the top layer of your skin, so you have to be doubly vigilant.

LIN: But you're a big fan of Retinol and we're putting up some of your advice on the screen right now. Retinol, vitamin C, and products with cooper.

NORTHRUP: That's right. That's right, those can actually help your skin heal itself. And again, the message with using sunscreen, it's almost like quitting smoking, if you had that habit, you had that sun habit, stopping it now, and getting into a different level of protection will allow your skin and these new products to help it work to repair it.

LIN: All right, good advice. And I was thumbing through your latest edition because Maria Shriver was on the cover. I thought it was an interesting interview, and it was.

NORTHRUP: Yes.

LIN: But, you make 40 and 50 look pretty fun.

NORTHRUP: That's the idea. I am glad you noticed.

LIN: All right, and 40 is the new 30 then?

NORTHRUP: That's right, it certainly is.

LIN: OK. Something to look forward to. Thanks very much.

NORTHRUP: Thank you.

LIN: Turning to news now that is out of this world. NASA scientists are excited about a suicide mission half a million miles away. NASA is intentionally crashing a space probe into the Temple 1 comet in about seven hours. It's the scientist's way of digging into the origins of the solar system. Our Daniel Sieberg sets the stage.

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DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN SCI-TECH CORRESPONDENT: This isn't the only celestial show this holiday, look further skyward for 4th of July fireworks courtesy of NASA, a collision with a comet.

Deep Impact was launched aboard on a Delta 2 in January. After a long journey, 173 days and 268 million miles, the NASA spacecraft is set to intercept comet Temple 1 at 2:00 a.m. on July 4.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get the hell out of there!

SIEBERG: OK, so it's not exactly like the movie, "Deep Impact" in which Robert Duvall tries to blow up a comet with nuclear weapons. But the real life deep impact could be spectacular. Here's the plan:

When the 11 foot craft is 500,000 miles from Temple 1, it releases a small copper fortified probe into the path of the comet. Scientists back on earth then steer the mothership into a front row position to take pictures of the impact event. It will only be 300 miles away when the probe hits the comet's surface.

The impactor probe is on autopilot for the final two hours, course-correcting for a head-on collision, producing an explosion comparable to five tons of TNT and leaving a crater that could be as large as a football. Though for a comet about half the size of Manhattan, it'll be the equivalent of jet liner hitting a mosquito. The fly-by ship will take pictures, 800 seconds worth of the collision debris and crater. The glimpse beneath the surface of comet is the whole purpose of the mission.

(on camera): Scientists call comets "undercooked leftovers" from the sprawling cloud of dust and gas, that formed our sun and planets more than four-and-a-half billion years ago. They hope this up-close look will provide a look back in time, studying the ingredients of a comet could provide answers to basic questions about the origins of our solar system.

Daniel Sieberg, CNN, Atlanta.

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LIN: Daniel is tracking all the developments in this impending comet collision, so he's going to join me live tonight at 10:00 Eastern with the latest on the probe's flight path and its movements. But in the meantime, we're going to get some good advice from Bonnie Schneider. She's going to check the forecast.

But first, Bonnie what's the best place to actually see the comet? Because you can do it with the naked eye, right?

BONNIE SCHNEIDER, METEOROLOGIST: In some places, Carol, that's the key. This isn't going to be as spectacular of a show as we had in 1997 with the Hale-Bopp comet where everybody went out and saw it. This time it's going to be tough to find, even when you have the most pristine sky.

In fact, the best places of the country is if you drew a line from Atlanta to Chicago, south and west, so the good the view, is the southwestern states like Arizona, like New Mexico. You'll probably need a telescope to see it, but that's a pretty decent view on the West Coast.

Head over all the way to Hawaii, they're expecting a great view of this spectacular event. It'll be in the Hawaiian Islands, that's where the University of Hawaii, its scientists are saying you'll see a pretty good view of this coming through.

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LIN: You bet, all right, thanks, Bonnie.

SCHNEIDER: Sure.

LIN: The naked eye, in Hawaii. All right, we will be watching for that comet collision. In the meantime, following the footsteps of Betsy Ross: They are the modern day men and women who make the American flags and you're going to meet them next.

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LIN: All right, check this out. You're looking at live pictures of preparations for a star-studded 4th of July concert in Washington. Gloria Estefan, the Ojays, Jimmy Smits, those are just some of the celebrities taking part in the PBS live show a Capital 4th. The event will be held ahead of the nation's capital's famous fireworks show.

I got a chance to talk to Gloria Estefan. You can see that interview at 10:00 Eastern, tonight.

In the meantime, the United States has a grand ol' flag, and it's flying high this Independence Day weekend. Americans raise the red, white and blue wherever they go around the world. But, in an age of international trade, Allan Chernoff shows us that there is still no place like home when it comes to making Old Glory.

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ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In moments of celebration, in defiance of catastrophe, and in times of great change, there have been three constants, the American spirit, the American flag, and an American flag maker, Annin & Company. The nation's largest and oldest flag manufacturer says its flags have been a part of many American milestones.

CARTER BEARD, ANNIN & COMPANY: When you've been in business since 1847 making American flags, your flag with be associated with a lot of important events in U.S. history. The first one we always mention is that our flag draped the coffin of Abraham Lincoln at his funeral. We've actually had our flag at every inauguration for America president from -- since Zachary Taylor in 1849 up to the present day.

And after all of these years, Annin & Company is still family- owned and operated. Well, I'm the sixth generation, myself and my two cousins, both work at the business today, and we're very proud to have lasted through six generations to ourselves.

CHERNOFF: The company manufacturers in four different factories. Demand for flags of all sizes at this time of year is enormous.

RICK MERRELL, ANNIN & COMPANY: And would make them the 4x7 inch, we could make -- we're making around 100,000 a week. In the stick flag, 8x12, 12x18, some combination will be around 100,000. And then in the traditional 3x.5 flag, we make approximately 25 thousand every week. Despite fierce competition from other country, the company says, it takes pains to keep production all American.

MERRELL: Well I think you can buy a lot of things from overseas and their lookalikes and they may work, and the quality may be there, but I think an American flag is truly something that has to made in America. All of our material is made in this country. It's dyed in this country, it's embossed in this county, it's sewn in the country, and, you know, that's what we pride ourselves on. CHERNOFF: The pride of making Old Glory seems to be a motivation for may employees. Jackie Darr has been with the company for 25 years.

JACKIE DARR, ANNIN & COMPANY: Well, I think it is very heart- warming, we have our troops in Iraq and you look on TV and see that that's our flag flying there, over their platoons, and whatever. It gives you a really good feeling, knowing that we have a part over there, too.

CHERNOFF: At Annin & Company, loving your job and loving your country go hand in hand.

Allan Chernoff, CNN, New York.

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LIN: That's all the time we have this hour. Coming up next, "People in the News" looks at the new out-spoken Tom Cruise.

At 8:00 Eastern, we count down to the top business stories of the last 25 years. And at 9:00 Eastern, "Larry King Weekend." Larry's guest tonight, Joel Ostine, a rising star on the pulpit.

And I'll be back at 10:00 Eastern tonight, with Gloria Estefan, talking about this year's 4th of July celebrations and her new award. The hour's headlines when I come back, and then "People in the News."

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