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Showbiz Tonight for July 6, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 06, 2005 - 19:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
JASON CARROLL, CO-HOST: I`m Jason Carroll.
KARYN BRYANT, CO-HOST: And I`m Karyn Bryant. TV`s only live entertainment news show starts right now.
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BRYANT (voice-over): Tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Angelina Jolie adopts again. Tonight, the baby`s tragic story, what Angelina plans to do, and how Brad Pitt fits into the picture.
CARROLL (voice-over): Stunning news. Tonight, a "New York Times" reporter is in jail for refusing to name her sources. How long will she be there, and what does it mean for the way we get news?
BRYANT: It`s the last waltz. The smash summer hit that has tangoed its way into America`s living room all comes down to tonight. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT goes dancing with the stars of "Dancing with the Stars."
KELLY MONACO, ACTRESS: Hi, I`m Kelly Monaco.
ALEC MAZO, ACTOR: And I`m Alec Mazo.
MONACO: And we`re with "Dancing with the Stars."
MAZO: If it happened today.
MONACO: It`s on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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CARROLL: Hello, I`m Jason Carroll. A.J. Hammer is off tonight.
BRYANT: I`m Karyn Bryant.
Tonight, Angelina Jolie is getting ready to be a mom again, but how much did Brad Pitt help out?
CARROLL: Jolie is adopting another child, and today we found out the full story. And it is a compelling one, one that includes saving a baby from a life of tragedy.
Let`s get right to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s Brooke Anderson, who is live in Hollywood with the very latest -- Brooke.
BROOKE ANDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Jason, Karyn, many here in Hollywood are saying "move over Brad Pitt." Angelina Jolie is over the moon about someone else. The Oscar winning actress is adopting a daughter.
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ANDERSON (voice-over): Baby makes three for Angelina Jolie. Here`s what SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you. The little girl is an orphan who lost her parents to AIDS. The actress is adopting her from the African country of Ethiopia. And she`s less than a year old.
The actress told "People" magazine the baby`s full name is Zahara Marley Jolie.
Angelina went on to say that her 3-year-old son, Maddox, who we`ve all watched grow up since she adopted him from a Cambodian orphanage, has been asking for an African brother or sister.
The twice divorced Jolie often spoke of adopting a second child. She has long been involved in international humanitarian efforts, currently serving as goodwill ambassador to the United Nations.
Just a few weeks ago, in a CNN interview you saw on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, she teared up when describing the first time she saw a young child die in a refugee camp.
ANGELINA JOLIE, ACTRESS/ACTIVIST: I saw him dying. And, you know, it was my first trip, my first moment and my thought was -- being somebody from the states and had a bit of money, I thought, well, we`ll just airlift him and take him to the hospital. I can solve this in a second.
And then you suddenly -- it was that moment where you look around and realize that there are, you know, hundreds of thousands people in the exact same situation and that -- and that a lot of these kids were going to die. And then I went home and I thought, "I should have at least taken one."
ANDERSON: Well she made good on that wish. Jolie visited Ethiopia last week to file her adoption request, and that`s not all. Her, quote unquote, "good friend" actor Brad Pitt -- here they are recently playing at Jolie`s England estate -- is said to have accompanied Jolie and Maddox on the trip to Africa.
So will Brad be a dad? Not so fast. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT went straight to "People" magazine`s Jess Cagle for the full story.
JESS CAGLE, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: She has gone out of her way to say that she is adopting this baby on her own. She is adopting the child as a single mother.
I think that Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have made it pretty clear that they are in the process of figuring out her own relationship, and so for many reasons she is making sure that she is doing this adoption on her own, and Brad`s involvement with her family, in general, sort of remains to be seen.
ANDERSON: Over the weekend, Angelina and Maddox were at the Live 8 benefit concert in Cornwall, England, her a-list name helping to raise awareness of something she now knows first hand.
Ethiopia has more than five million orphans. Caring for the children is estimated to cost $115 million a month: a catastrophe for a country whose annual health budget is only $140 million.
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ANDERSON: Ethiopia has very strict laws to thwart questionable adoption agents, and to ensure that the orphan really exists, that the paperwork is not fraudulent and that no AIDS-infected children are being passed off as healthy.
Zahara is described as an AIDS orphan, but no confirmation if the child has HIV. Jolie has not released details on the age, weight or height of the child.
I spoke with the managing director of the American for African Adoptions organization. She told me the adoption cost is typically $6,500 and up -- Karyn.
BRYANT: All right. Brooke Anderson, thank you very much for that report.
CARROLL: And tonight, a court decision is rocking the news world from coast to coast, and SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is all over the story.
A federal judge today ordered a "New York Times" reporter to go to jail for refusing to reveal a source in an explosive case that led to the unmasking of a CIA agent.
CNN national correspondent Bob Franken is live in Washington for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with the very latest on what we know -- Bob.
BOB FRANKEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it`s a convoluted story, Jason, and I think the best way to sum it up is that, at the end of the day, it was a mixed bag.
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FRANKEN (voice-over): She came to the court a free person, but "New York Times" reporter Judith Miller was fully aware she could leave a prisoner, and she did, taken from the courthouse by U.S. marshals, on her way to jail after telling federal Judge Thomas Hogan that she would defy his order and would not reveal her source to a grand jury.
"I cannot break my word," she said, "to stay out of jail."
In spite of arguments by her attorney, Robert Bennett, that jail would not coerce Miller to follow the court ruling, Judge Hogan insisted he had to enforce his contempt of court order to attempt to get her to comply.
BILL KELLER, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, "NEW YORK TIMES": I think that anybody who believes that the government and other powerful institutions should be closely and aggressively watched should feel a chill up their spine today.
FRANKEN: "TIME" magazine reporter Matthew Cooper avoided imprisonment, because he ultimately agreed to testify about his source, a last-minute decision, he said, that came only after he had left home and kissed his son good-bye, fully expecting he, too, would go to jail.
MATTHEW COOPER, REPORTER, "TIME" MAGAZINE: This morning in what can only be described as a stunning set of developments, that source agreed to give me a specific personal and unambiguous waiver to speak before the grand jury.
FRANKEN: Judith Miller insists she will not testify. Now comes the test to see if time in jail changes that, time that could last up to four months.
Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald insists that she can`t have special treatment. Fitzgerald was appointed to investigate a leak that identified then undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame. He says Miller`s testimony is necessary, as well as Cooper`s, to determine who leaked Plame`s name.
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FRANKEN: "We must obey the law," said the judge. "Otherwise, the nation will descend into an anarchy."
Journalists are concerned that this case is going to make it difficult for them to cover and inform the citizens of that country -- Jason.
CARROLL: Bob, thanks very much for that -- Karyn.
BRYANT: So should Judith Miller be jailed for not revealing her sources? In tonight`s "Showbiz In-Depth," what does this all mean, and how will this affect the news you get?
Joining us live here in New York is WABC radio host, Curtis Sliwa. And joining us live from Baltimore, Brian Stelter, who runs the very closely-watched blog site, TVNewser. Thanks for joining me here tonight, gentlemen.
Curtis, let her rip. What`s your take on this whole situation?
CURTIS SLIWA, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Lock her up, throw away the key. There she is, "Oh, do the Martha Stewart to me. Give me a bracelet, home detention. I won`t play with my computer."
Hey, it`s a law. You broke the law, pay the price, because then she`s going to go on tour. Every college she`ll be getting $50,000 a throw at every journalist school, because she`ll be their new Joan of Arc. Four months, that`s soft time. She`ll do that in a breeze.
BRYANT: Brian, you`re chuckling there. What`s your take on this situation?
BRIAN STELTER, TVNEWSER.COM: Four months in the D.C. jail. They wouldn`t even let her go in home detention or to a women`s prison. Here`s the thing about Miller. She hasn`t been convicted of a crime. She hasn`t even been accused of a crime. She`s being held in civil contempt, because they want to coerce her into talking. It`s a damn shame.
BRYANT: Yes, Brian, obviously, we mentioned that you have a very closely watched TVNewser blog site. What`s the climate there today? What are people writing about? What are you reading?
STELTER: Journalists, I think, are very conflicted, because this is such a confounding case. As "The New York Times" editor said today, this is very complicated. But I think journalists are worried about what effect this will have in the future, what other cases this could impact, and will sources talk to them the same way in the future. It`s an open question right now.
BRYANT: Curtis, what do you think about that? Do you think this is going to affect the way journalists get their sources and the way we see and hear the news in the future?
SLIWA: No, but it may force them to check, double-check, triple- check so we don`t have any Dan Rather bogus stories with phantom sources who don`t exist.
You know, journalists for too long have considered themselves above the law. Now, there is no federal shield law. That`s the law. Lobby Congress to impose a federal shield law.
But in the meantime, don`t cry when you decide to take a moral stand. Do we ever see Martin Luther king, who acted on civil disobedience suddenly say, "Oh, no, I shouldn`t be doing the time." He understood that`s part of the cause.
And if this is her cause celebre, well, then, trust me, she`s going to have to sit on her fanny, grow some barnacles on her backside, do her time and then eventually make all the moolah shmoolah, because she`s going to be rolling in dough out there.
BRYANT: I`m going to get your take on this in a second, but Brian, what about the idea that journalists are doing something quite noble, in they`re trying to protect and inform readers, and maybe they should be protected a little bit?
STELTER: That`s the idea I`d like to believe as someone who is a big fan of journalism since the day I was born. It`s in my blood, and I think we need it. We need it, every American, not just journalists. Every American needs journalists. It`s very important.
We have to forget, this case is about a leak from the White House, possibly, from a senior administration official about the war in Iraq, so it really comes back to that key issue that all Americans should care about.
SLIWA: This is no Watergate. This is not Pentagon papers. This is just buzz, nattering that took place. Novak, he ate the parmesan cheese. He ratted out his source.
BRYANT: Well, let`s talk about that. Robert Novak is the one who had written the article at first naming Valerie Plame. So are you curious at all why he`s at home right now?
SLIWA: Well, he`s lying. He`s lying. He says he didn`t cooperate with the feds. We know. He might as well be in the witness protection program. He gave up his source.
The problem is now, he gives up his source, "TIME" magazine, they fold like a cheap camera, but the old gray lady, she says, "Oh, no, I`m the spirit of liberty."
Well, you know something, journalists have to abide by the laws, too, and I don`t think this is such a great case to fight a First Amendment right of free speech and a journalist`s right of protecting their sources on.
BRYANT: All right, Brian, last -- you get the last word, 30 seconds.
STELTER: Well, that is true, it`s not the perfect case to prove that we need a federal shield law, but we`re certainly going to see that pushed for.
What`s ironic about this is Judy Miller never even mentioned Valerie Plame`s name. She never put it in print. Matt Cooper eventually did, but Robert Novak was first. And Robert Novak is the one that`s getting off completely scott free for all this.
BRYANT: All right. Well, thank you for joining us, gentlemen. Certainly the debate will continue. Brian Stelter and Curtis Sliwa, thanks for joining us.
CARROLL: And we have much more on this story coming up, including CNN`s Kelly Wallace, who was the last person to interview Miller.
BRYANT: Plus, world politics makes for strange bedfellows. The stars come out for the G-8 summit. We`ll take you to Scotland, coming up.
CARROLL: Also coming up, we`re on the set of "Dancing with the Stars" as the hit series gets ready to cha-cha into the sunset and our reporter gets to get down with the stars.
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CARROLL: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m Jason Carroll.
From Blair to Bono, and from George Clooney to George Bush, major world leaders and major celebrities are rubbing elbows and taking meetings in Scotland today. That`s where the leaders of the eight richest nations are meeting for the G-8 summit, and stars are bringing the message of this weekend`s Live 8 concerts, in hopes of ending poverty in Africa.
Our man in the UK, CNN`s Richard Quest, tells us how it`s all going.
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RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The events here in Scotland have turned into an interesting combination. I`m in Edinburgh, which has been the scene of some of the demonstrations, and many of the campaign rallies. The road, of course, is Gleneagles. That`s where the politicians are meeting over the next two days, the G-8 summit leaders.
But there`s a connection between the two, because every now and then, the pop stars come along, and the celebrities get involved. They start off here in Edinburgh. They go up to meet the politicians. It`s a very odd crossover world, where celebrities and pop stars are in many cases making the running.
BONO, MUSICIAN/ACTIVIST: There is a lot at stake. There`s faith in the politic process, as well. There`s two alternatives, and out on the streets, very angry, and -- or making your case and organizing in the boring old fashioned way that we have done it, and we must not let our people down here.
TONY BLAIR, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Now, it`s never an easy relationship between people who are campaigning on issues and politic leaders who are trying to take decisions, but this is one occasion in which I think those in positions of politic leadership and those in the positions of leadership in the campaigns have wanted to come together.
QUEST: For instance, earlier, George Clooney told me why he was involved in what he hoped would happen.
GEORGE CLOONEY, ACTOR: In America, you know, there aren`t that many people that even know what the G-8 summit is. That`s not putting down America; it`s just simply the truth. It`s not -- it hasn`t been that big of a part of our history. There`s a lot of things we have to educate ourselves on, and so part of the job for us being here is to talk about what this specifically can do.
QUEST: So what`s going to happen in the next few hours? Well, here in Edinburgh there`s the usual largy-bargy (ph) of the extreme protesters against the police.
But tonight, at the Murray Field Stadium, there`s a big concert. It`s not quite Live 8 Philadelphia or Live 8 London. This is known as Live 8, The Final Push. And this is going to have Dido. It`s going to have Bono. Also performing there will be James Brown and Annie Lennox, so a lot of stars that will give the final impetus for the call to make poverty history.
And then, well, Edinburgh and all these other places take second fiddle; it`s all at Gleneagles with the G-8.
Back to you guys in New York.
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CARROLL: OK, that was our man in the UK, Richard Quest.
You may be wondering how George Clooney got involved in the effort to help end poverty in Africa. Well, it`s all because of a phone call from his "Ocean`s 11" co-star, Brad Pitt. Clooney told "The Today Show" this morning that Pitt asked him to appear in a public service announcement about global poverty. Clooney says Pitt has shown up for everything Clooney ever asked him to be involved in, so Clooney decided to return the favor.
Now we want to hear from you. It`s our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day. The G-8 summit: do celebrities belong there? Vote at CNN.com/ShowbizTonight. And send us an e-mail at ShowbizTonight@CNN.com. We`ll read some of your thoughts later in the show.
BRYANT: Get ready for the last dance on "Dancing with the Stars." Tonight`s the season finale of the smash hit television show. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT takes you behind the scenes.
Our Sibila Vargas is live in Hollywood with some dance moves of her own.
Sibila, I`m guessing the tango is your dance.
SIBILA VARGAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, how did you guess? And the salsa. And the rumba. I`ve got more.
Well, if you`ve got dance fever, you`re definitely not alone. "Dancing with the Stars" coaxed 18.6 million viewers to the small screen last week, according to Nielson Media Research. It was by far the most popular show of the normally quiet summer week. Its rerun last week even made Nielson`s top ten.
So, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT decided to see what all the fuss was about. We put on our dancing shoes and went "Dancing with the Stars."
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VARGAS (voice-over): From the Viennese waltz to the samba.
Emotional good-byes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m so lucky I had a fabulous partner who would try anything.
VARGAS: To near wardrobe malfunctions.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nice cover with the wardrobe malfunction.
VARGAS: ABC`s summer reality show, "Dancing with the Stars," is sweeping audiences off their feet.
JENNIFER ARMSTRONG, "ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY": It`s just one of those strange magical combinations of things that comes together as the exact right time in the exact right season, and just works.
VARGAS: The concept is simple. Celebs partner with professional dancers, and fans help determine who stays in the competition. Dance studio director Kent Sterling today SHOWBIZ TONIGHT he thinks he knows why people are responding.
KENT STERLING, DANCE STUDIO DIRECTOR: Deep inside they`re saying to themselves, when they`re watching other people dance, they`re saying, "Oh, I`d love to be able to do that."
So, you know, at home, in the privacy of -- you know, in their living room they can turn that on and kind of fantasize and watch others dance. And, again, sometimes it gives a few of them courage to do it themselves.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Welcome to the quarterfinals.
VARGAS: Recent films like the critically acclaimed documentary "Mad Hot Ballroom" and Richard Gere and Jennifer Lopez`s "Shall We Dance?" are adding to the ballroom blitz. The attendance (ph) is up, and the number of professional ballroom competitions are at an all-time high.
STERLING: They were able to see Richard Gere and the other actors in that movie taking the dance lessons and having fun with it.
VARGAS: Well, with all this talk of dancing, I decided to have a little fun with it. I met with "Dancing with the Stars" underdog Kelly Monaco of "General Hospital" and her partner, who gave me a few pointers.
(on camera) Exactly.
MONACO: Oh, girl, you can move!
VARGAS: I have the Latin in me.
(voice-over) Mastering the turn, however, would take a little time.
MAZO: One, two, three.
There you go.
Four...
VARGAS (on camera): Woo! OK.
(voice-over) But as fan favorite John O`Hurley as "Seinfeld" fame reminded me, it`s all about having fun.
JOHN O`HURLEY, ACTOR: It is what it is and let`s just throw up the floor and have the time of our lives. And that`s all we do. We just look in each other`s eyes and let the moment carry us. And that`s for the joy of this entire experience.
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VARGAS: And you can watch John O`Hurley and Kelly Monaco face off on tonight`s finale. It`s on ABC.
And with the success of "Dancing with the Stars," you can bet there`s going to be a lot more to follow. In fact, FOX and TLC are already working on dance shows of their own. So expect a lot of two- stepping, Karyn.
And I`ll continue to work on my spin.
BRYANT: You do. Very nicely done, Sibila Vargas. Thanks for joining us.
So what is a better story, the runaway bride or Martha Stewart going to jail? We`ll have the results of a new poll, next.
CARROLL: Plus, is Lil` Kim going to the big house? We have the scoop on her sentence coming up.
BRYANT: And, did Janice Dickinson quit as a judge on "America`s Next Top Model," or was she fired? We`ll ask her about that and much more when she joins us live. That`s coming up.
Now tonight`s "Entertainment Weekly Great American Pop culture Quiz." Which actor filmed a cameo in "Ocean`s 12" that didn`t make a final cut? Was it Peter Fonda, Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty or David Carradine? We`re going to come right back with the answer.
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BRYANT: Once again tonight`s "Entertainment Weekly Great American Pop Culture Quiz." Which actor filmed a cameo in "Ocean`s 12" that did not make the final cut? Was it Peter Fonda, Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty, or David Carradine? The answer is A. Peter Fonda.
Well, Lil` Kim is going to be doing a little time in jail. In New York today, the rapper was sentenced to a year and a day in prison for lying to a federal grand jury to protect friends involved in a shooting outside a radio station. She was also fined $50,000.
The shootout happened back in 2001, when Lil` Kim`s entourage crossed paths with a rival rap group. Lil` Kim could have faced up to 20 years behind bars.
CARROLL: Martha Stewart is just about done with her sentence. But do people find that more fascinating than the story of the runaway bride? Well, tonight, more fascinating results from a "Parade" magazine poll that SHOWBIZ TONIGHT was first to bring you last night.
So what`s the most fascinating real-life crime drama? The runaway bride got most of your attention: 24 percent of you find her story most intriguing. Martha Stewart`s not-so-good stock sale story is just behind, with 22 percent. Followed by the recently acquitted Michael Jackson; 21 percent of you think Michael`s trial was the most thrilling.
And what`s your opinion of the paparazzi? Fifty-eight percent of you think the paparazzi should only take celebrity photos on the red carpet and at other industry events. Eighteen percent feel they should be able to photograph celebs at any time in public. Fourteen percent think celebs are fair game, anytime, anywhere. Only 10 percent think the paparazzi should just leave celebrities alone.
BRYANT: Up next, more of our coverage of "The New York Times" reporter who was sent to jail tonight for refusing to give up her confidential sources. Coming up, CNN`s Kelly Wallace, who was the last to interview Judith Miller.
CARROLL: Plus, why is the woman who calls herself the world`s first supermodel moving in with Omarosa from "The Apprentice"? Janice Dickinson joins us live with the answers, coming up.
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SOPHIA CHOI, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hello, I`m Sophia Choi. And here`s your "Headline Prime Newsbreak."
A "New York Times" reporter is in jail after refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating the leak of a CIA operative`s name. Judith Miller says she has no choice but to protect her anonymous sources. Another reporter, "Time" magazine`s Matthew Cooper, has agreed to testify.
Tropical Storm Dennis is now a category-one hurricane with sustained winds of 80 miles-an-hour. Parts of Cuba, Haiti and Jamaica are bracing now for the storm. Eventually, forecasters think, Dennis will hit Cuba and then the Alabama-Florida border.
And the father of 8-year-old Shasta Groene says his daughter is doing well and is upbeat. Police say Shasta Groene was abducted and held for six weeks by a convicted sex offender before being rescued this weekend. Groene also says the family will continue to hold out hope that their son, Dylan, is still alive. Human remains found at a Montana campsite are being tested now by the FBI.
That`s the news for now. I`m Sophia Choi. Now back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
CARROLL: Tonight, tough times. A "New York Times" reporter is reporting to jail. How today`s stunning court decision may change the news business forever.
BRYANT: And Model, Inc. She created a one-woman empire, and now one of the most famous models in real life is getting surreal. Janice Dickinson is joining us live.
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JAMIE LYNN DISCALA, SINGER-ACTRESS: Hi, I`m Jamie Lynn DiScala.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m Joy de Mateo (ph).
DISCALA: If it happens today, it`s on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If it happens today, it`s on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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BRYANT: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, TV`s only live entertainment news show. It`s almost 32 minutes past the hour. I`m Karyn Bryant.
CARROLL: And I`m Jason Carroll. Here are tonight`s "Hot Headlines."
Angelina`s a mom again. Tonight, Angelina Jolie is adopting her second child, a little girl from Ethiopia. She`s less than a year old and lost her parents to AIDS. Jolie told "People" magazine that the baby`s full name is Zahara Marley Jolie.
BRYANT: Lovely name.
Well, the "Times" are certainly changing. In a decision today that could change the way you get your news, a New York federal judge ordered "New York Times" journalist Judith Miller jailed.
Miller refused to reveal confidential sources to a grand jury investigating the 2003 leak of an undercover CIA agent`s identity. "Time" magazine reporter Matthew Cooper, who also faced jail time, was spared from the slammer after he said his confidential source said that he could reveal his identity.
CARROLL: CNN national correspondent Kelly Wallace was one of the last people to interview "New York Times" reporter Judith Miller is here for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with more on the story that has pitted a long- standing journalistic tradition against the federal courts.
Kelly, tell us all about it.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Jason, what a dramatic day, because this case has really turned into one of the biggest constitutional battles between the media and the government in decades.
Judith Miller of "The New York Times," in some of her last moments of freedom, pushing through a pack of reporters before entering the federal courthouse. Inside, she told the judge she would not reveal her source. The judge listened, and then ordered her to a jail in the D.C. area for up to 120 days.
In an interview late last month, one of the last interviews she did, Miller, who never even wrote a story about the CIA agent in question, said confidential sources were vital in uncovering matters of public concern.
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JUDITH MILLER, "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTER: You either want to inspire people to come forward and talk about what they know, and that means we have to protect them. It`s pretty basic when you come down to it.
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WALLACE: And in a dramatic reversal, Matt Cooper of "Time" magazine told the judge that he would now testify before a federal grand jury. Cooper said he had said his good-byes to his 6-year-old son and was fully expecting to be sent behind bars, but that a call from his source, just hours before the hearing, changed everything.
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MATT COOPER, "TIME" MAGAZINE REPORTER: That source gave me a personal, unambiguous, un-coerced waiver to speak to the grand jury. And it was only then when I was satisfied that that source was comfortable with me speaking and, indeed, wanted me to speak to the grand jury that I felt free after two years under threat of jail to go speak to the grand jury. I have kept my word.
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WALLACE: Cooper would not reveal his source. At issue here, who revealed the identity of a CIA operative? The operative is married to an ambassador who was critical of the Bush administration`s Iraq policy.
Jason, the special prosecutor in the case said that his investigation was basically wrapped up without the testimony of Miller and Cooper, so that investigation continues.
CARROLL: Great job getting that interview, Kelly, CNN national correspondent, Kelly Wallace.
BRYANT: Our coverage of today`s decision to send Judith Miller to jail continues now with "Showbiz In-depth," once again. This time joining us tonight from the "Washington Post" newsroom is "Post" reporter Carol Leonnig who was in the courtroom today when the judge ordered Miller to jail. Also with us, CNN special correspondent Frank Sesno, live from the CNN bureau in Washington.
OK, Carol, I want to start with you. Carol, if you could, please, fill us in on the mood inside the courtroom today.
CAROL LEONNIG, "WASHINGTON POST" REPORTER: You can`t really imagine the amount of drama or pump it up. You`ve got a reporter being taken away by U.S. marshals through a back entrance that usually gang members and drug co-conspirators are hauled away through.
And you have another reporter making a surprise announcement, Matt Cooper of "Time" magazine, that his source freed him to speak to the grand jury in this investigation and to discuss their conversations that are at the center of this probe.
BRYANT: And what, though, was Miller`s personal sort of expression? Was she defiant? Was she contrite?
LEONNIG: She was a little mix of both. She said that she did not believe she was above the law, but she felt like it was her duty and her strong fundamental belief that she had to protect the conversations she`d had with sources, and that the promise that she`d made to them not to reveal their identity, although their identity is already known to the prosecutor and although that source has already waived the confidentiality agreement that she made. She said she felt like she had to keep that promise.
She did, however, get a lot of talkback from the judge. He said he disagreed with her. He didn`t think she was speaking for a free press. He didn`t think she was defending a promise, and he questioned her motives.
BRYANT: OK, Frank, I want to move on to you. How often in the history of journalism has this happened? Because certainly, it seems as though it`s a big deal with not a lot of precedence.
FRANK SESNO, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: Oh, it`s a big deal, but there`s precedent. In fact, the precedent goes back to 1972 in the Supreme Court itself. And in that case, Branzburg, is when a reporter had gone out -- he`d reported on a bunch of drug dealers doing illegal activity.
Subsequently, he was summoned before a grand jury. He refused to testify. It went all the way to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court said, "You as a reporter cannot refuse to testify before a grand jury looking into criminal activity if you`ve witnessed a crime." And that`s exactly what was at issue here.
In this particular case, however, the crime that these reporters may have witnessed was an individual divulging the name of a CIA operative. That`s against the law, if the individuals did it knowingly, intentionally, and if they`d access to classified information, a lot of ifs. We don`t know whether a crime was committed here at all.
BRYANT: Right.
Now, Carol, what happened when you left the courtroom? Certainly, other journalists were there. Did this, you know, put fear in their boots? Are they shaking now? What was the mood outside the courtroom?
LEONNIG: There was a lot of postmortems. I mean, remember, this is a packed courtroom in Judge Hogan`s court. Almost everybody there is a reporter or a reporter`s attorney.
You have a series of high-level editors outside the courthouse steps doing their Monday-morning quarterbacking about whether or not this was a good case, why the case was lost, why the judge ruled against the reporters, and also a lot of discussion about whether or not this really makes reporters` lives more complicated and makes it more difficult for the public to get information about secret government operations and activities.
BRYANT: Right, Frank, I wanted to end with you on that, that subject. How will this affect the future of how we see and hear news?
SESNO: Well, it`s going to make it more complicated, because if a reporter comes into a bureau chief`s office and says, "I`ve got some good information here," the bureau chief`s going to say, "Wait, let me get the lawyers." And then they`re going to say, "Where did the information come from?"
And the source may not have gone from -- you know, is going to say, "Can you protect me?" And the reporter is going to say, "Well, maybe, only if, you know, if they don`t subpoena me."
It`s going to be especially felt, I think, in Washington where sources are dealing with very sensitive information, in particular in the area of national security.
BRYANT: Right.
SESNO: I don`t think it`s going to be the end of the world. I don`t think anonymous sources are going to go away. That`s not the way it works. There are plenty of shield laws. But in this particular instance, in this particular place, you`re going to know it, and the public may come up on the short end because of it.
BRYANT: All right. Well, thank you for joining us here tonight, Carol Leonnig from "The Washington Post" and CNN`s special correspondent and former bureau chief Frank Sesno.
CARROLL: As we reported earlier, tonight, some of the world`s biggest movie and music stars are at the G-8 Economic Summit in Scotland, and we`re asking you to vote on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." G-8 Summit: Do celebrities belong there? Keep voting at CNN.com/showbiz tonight, and write us at showbiztonight@cnn.com. Your e-mails are coming up at 54 past the hour.
BRYANT: Former "America`s Top Model" judge Janice Dickinson will tell us why she`s hanging out with the "Apprentice`s" Amorosa, and what it`s like to have a very "Surreal" life. Janice Dickinson is live, next on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
CARROLL: And "Hairspray" is a Tony award-winning Broadway show. Today, we`re going to introduce you to the guy that gave us the movie "Hairspray" before it came to the great white way, a "Showbiz Sit-down" with John Waters, coming up.
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CARROLL: And welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m Jason Carroll.
Well, she`s not a superhero, but she was a supermodel. Time for another "Showbiz Sitdown," now with Janice Dickinson. In the `70s, she was on top of the modeling world. Dickinson graced the covers of every top magazine, and rubbed elbows with Hollywood elite, dating such A- listers like Mick Jagger, Warren Beatty, Sylvester Stallone, the list goes on.
Most recently, she was the sharp-tongued judge on "America`s Next Top Model" and a national best-selling author. This Sunday, you can catch her in the new, fifth edition of VH1`s "The Surreal Life."
Janice Dickinson, thanks so much for being here with us. Let`s clear the air. Let`s talk about "America`s Next Top Model" first.
JANICE DICKINSON, "THE SURREAL LIFE": OK.
CARROLL: What happened there? Did you leave? Were you asked to leave? What`s the back story?
DICKINSON: Do you have a ball and gag? I`m under a confidentiality...
CARROLL: I`m releasing it now. I`m releasing it.
DICKINSON: ... agreement from UPON that I can`t talk about it.
CARROLL: Is it safe to say that it just -- creative differences, perhaps?
DICKINSON: No. You know, you`re going to have to tune in and watch. This sounds like I`m really kind of hyping the show, but I am.
I love "America`s Next Top Model." I love working for Tyra. I said "working." I say I loved working.
You know, I`ve got a big mouth. That`s why I was hired in the first place, but I can`t really say whether I left or I got the boot. You`re going to have to do the math, and tune in, and find out for yourself.
CARROLL: OK, we`re going to have to read between the lines on that one. Also, best-selling author, you wrote a book called "Everything About Me is Fake ... and I`m Perfect." That`s about plastic surgery. You`re very open about having plastic surgery, correct?
DICKINSON: I am.
CARROLL: Now, in terms of from a modeling standpoint, is that something you think models need to do, have to do, why do?
DICKINSON: Well, I did it because, you know, I turned 50. Yes, it`s true, I turned 50. And you know, I decided to take in the trim so I could look a little bit better for a little bit longer on reality television, which seems to be paying the bills.
You know, so I did it because my skin started to sag, you know. I was having, like, morning problems. I was getting so -- I decided to take in the trim and then talk about it. But I also wrote in "Everything About Me is Fake ... And I`m Perfect" the ugly side of being beautiful, all the photo retouching, that everything isn`t all there for young girls who wanted breast implants at age 17. I wanted to save them from doing that.
CARROLL: Also, you`ve also talked about the many guys that you`ve dated. Let`s play like sort of like...
DICKINSON: Millions.
CARROLL: Let`s play a word association game here just with some of them. Sylvester Stallone.
DICKINSON: Yeah.
CARROLL: OK, that`s what comes to mind. What comes to mind when I say the name Mick Jagger?
DICKINSON: I can`t get no satisfaction.
CARROLL: Jon Lovitz. Let`s talk Jon Lovitz. What about him?
DICKINSON: Jon Lovitz, he`s great. What can I say about Lovitz? He asked me to do -- have privacy, as far as Lovitz is going. Lovitz, I`m not going to do it. You`re fabulous, you`re sexy, you`re the hottest guy alive. He`s going to kill me.
CARROLL: No, I`m sure he`ll love that. Also, let`s bring up another name, Amorosa. I`m just sure the two of you, you`re a strong- willed women, she`s a strong-willed woman...
DICKINSON: I didn`t have sex with Amorosa.
CARROLL: But you`re both strong-willed women, and I`m sure that the two of you just got along like sorority sisters during the "Surreal Life," huh?
DICKINSON: Not true. Amorosa was toxic from day one. And they pitted us against each other. Very clever casting from the "Surreal Life" producers. I did it for money so I could put my daughter in private education next year in her private school. Schools cost a lot, Jason.
CARROLL: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
DICKINSON: How would you know?
CARROLL: Well, you know, you told me. Remember, I saw you at gym. You were very proud of your kids.
DICKINSON: This guy works out harder than anybody, anyway.
Yes, so I kind of duked it out with Amorosa, but she did cross the line. She called me kind -- she mentioned that I was an unfit mother, and that I took drugs, and that I needed therapy. Well, she`s going to -- y`all are going to see some therapy when you see me hurling a chair across a plate-glass window. This woman was trying to prod me the entire time I was on the show.
CARROLL: Well, it sounds like it`s going to make for great reality TV.
Janice Dickinson, thanks so very, very much.
DICKINSON: It was fun. Thanks so much.
CARROLL: Absolute pleasure having you.
DICKINSON: I love this guy.
CARROLL: Love you right back.
Karyn, off to you.
BRYANT: OK. Well, you can catch Janice on "The Surreal Life," which does start airing on VH1 this Sunday.
Well, his films are outrageous, crass, and wildly funny. John Waters used to be an underground filmmaker, and now he`s a mainstream success story with hits like "Dirty Shame" and the classic film "Hairspray," which is also now a Tony-award-winning Broadway musical.
He sat down recently with SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s A.J. Hammer to talk about his career, his inspiration, and his new DVD box set.
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A.J. HAMMER, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT HOST: Hey, John. Welcome.
JOHN WATERS, DIRECTOR: Thank you. Nice to be here.
HAMMER: You were always known, and you always have been known, as an outrageous filmmaker, whether or not that`s what you intended. But whether or not it`s what you intended, you kind of wound up more in the mainstream, you know, working through the Hollywood system. Was it your intention when you first started out to go mainstream?
WATERS: I made my first movie 41 years ago when I was in high school. So I only wanted to make the best underground movie I could make then, and then it went to midnight movie, and then independent film, and then Hollywood film, and then I think "A Dirty Shame" was a Hollywood underground movie.
So I think all of those terms have become kind of meaningless today and have all become one thing. I mean, now the studios are looking for the next little weird movie to come out from somewhere. So it`s very different from when I started, the business aspect of it.
HAMMER: All of your films are undoubtedly John Waters` films. How do you maintain your edge? What is it?
WATERS: Well, I don`t know that I have a choice. You know, I guess the edgiest thing I ever did is, I think, is the one film I made that turned into a play that won the Tony that everybody thinks is my most mainstream. But I think it`s my edgiest, because I have families watching a man playing a woman sing a love song to another man, or a movie that encouraged interracial dating with teenagers.
And they don`t notice it. They don`t think that that`s something weird when they`re watching "Hairspray." So my other movies maybe are more obviously insane, but the ones that people think are the most commercial, I think, are the most devious ones.
HAMMER: Right. The DVD box set that`s coming out with your best films has some interesting features, including -- and this may be unprecedented, John -- a scratch-and-sniff card.
WATERS: It has a scratch-and-sniff card. That`s with "Polyester." It`s got, I think -- how many of my movies? I don`t know, eight or nine of them, really.
HAMMER: It has eight of your films.
WATERS: Eight of my films. And a bonus disc...
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HAMMER: You just asked sc me. If you need any help with what you`ve done, I`ve got it right here.
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WATERS: But it also has a scrapbook, too, that`s a five-hour thing of all interviews with all the people that have been in it and something.
And then "Cry Baby," the only movie that`s not in that box set, is also coming out, the director`s cut, in July, where they went and found everybody again, what they look like today, when I haven`t seen them, you know? And even Johnny Depp came back, and it was amazing how similar he looks today.
HAMMER: How do you spend a Saturday night?
WATERS: I usually am home on Saturday night, but I always go out on Friday night, like a coal miner with a paycheck. And Friday night, I like to go to bars that are kind of scary. In Baltimore, I go to blue- collar bars by myself, like biker bars, or anything, because that`s where I get material, really.
I go to one that`s actually in a trailer park. And you go over speed bumps to get to it. I love to take my friends. They love to see it. They can`t believe the entrance.
HAMMER: So you`re a regular in a couple of these places?
WATERS: Yes, yes, I am. Yes.
HAMMER: Nice.
WATERS: And then I film in them. And then once I film in them, it`s kind of over, you know, because then people know that I went there.
HAMMER: And then you go back, and they have stills from the movie literally hanging up.
WATERS: They did. Actually, in "A Dirty Shame," there`s a great biker bar, a great bar I like very much called the Holiday House in Baltimore. But after it was over, the sign out front said, "Home of `A Dirty Shame.`" So I didn`t want to go back in for a while until they took that sign down.
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BRYANT: Waters says the next film he`d like to take to the stage, "Polyester on Ice." He says he envisions an ice show of scratching and sniffing and skating. His DVD box set is in stores now.
CARROLL: And you still have time to vote in our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day. G-8 summit: Do celebrities belong there? Vote at CNN.com/SHOWBIZTONIGHT or write us at showbiztonight@CNN.com. We`ll read some of your e-mails live, coming up next.
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CARROLL: And it`s time to get your laugh on in "Laughter Dark." As we do every night, we bring you the late-night laughs you may have missed. So you may have watched Live 8 this past weekend, but guess who was jamming with the Who at the worldwide concert? Jay Leno knows.
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JAY LENO, HOST, "THE TONIGHT SHOW": Actually, President Bush went to the Live 8 concert. Did you see him on the news? Yes, he was on stage with the Who. Show it. Take a look.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Can`t get fooled again. Can`t get fooled again.
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CARROLL: Classic. Tonight on "The Tonight show," Roseanne Barr and "American Idol`s" Bo Bice.
BRYANT: Oh, John Entwistle, we miss you, buddy.
Well, throughout the show, we`ve been asking you to vote online on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." G-8 summit: Do celebrities belong there?
Let`s take a look at how the vote is going so far. Seventeen percent of you say yes, they do; 83 percent of you saying celebrities do not belong there.
We`ve also got some e-mails. Kathy from Montana writes, "If the celebrities are doing it for the good of the world, every voice helps."
But Barry from Georgia writes, "Celebrities do not belong there. They should stop telling my government how to spend my money and spend theirs instead." You can keep voting at CNN.com/showbiztonight.
CARROLL: And time now to see what`s playing on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT tomorrow.
BRYANT: Let`s take a look at the "Showbiz Marquee." Marquee Guy, take it away.
MARQUEE GUY: Tomorrow, Alicia Keys, and we`ve locked her in. She`s just back from Live 8. She sings, she plays, and she opens up to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. What`s next for this Grammy winner? Unlocking the secrets of Alicia Keys, tomorrow on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Also tomorrow, Hulkamania comes to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Hulk Hogan, he handled himself in the ring, but how does he wrestle with family issues? We`ll find out if Hogan knows best, when Hulk, his wife, and kids stop by to talk about their new reality show, live on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, tomorrow.
This is the Marquee Guy. And Jas and Karyn, can you smell what the Marquee Guy is cooking?
CARROLL: I don`t think I want to smell that.
BRYANT: The guns on the Marquee Guy are insane! That is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m Karyn Bryant.
CARROLL: And I`m Jason Carroll. Stay tuned for the latest from CNN Headline News.
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