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ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES
London Again Targeted for Terror; Electricity Grid Holding; Marital Infidelity
Aired July 21, 2005 - 19:00 ET
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HEIDI COLLINS, GUEST HOST: Good evening, everybody. The heart of London is hit again. It's 7:00 p.m. on the East Coast, 4:00 p.m. in the West. 360 starts now.
COLLINS (voice-over): A stunning second act. In London once again, the target was commuters on subways and a bus. Afraid this could shut down the city, British Prime Minister Tony Blair urges calm.
Scorched Earth. How hot is it? Deaths in Arizona, 91 degrees at night, droughts. What you don't know about this extreme heat.
Family, faith and the Supreme Court nominee John Roberts. His wife was active in Feminists for Life, a group that opposes abortion. Will that affect his nomination?
And runaway suspicions. After our piece on affairs and cheating, we heard from so many of you worrying, how can you really tell? More answers tonight.
ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.
COLLINS: Hello, everyone. Welcome to 360. I'm Heidi Collins in for the vacationing Anderson Cooper.
Here are the questions we mean to take up tonight.
First, what exactly happened today in London? Was it good fortune alone that kept things from being very much worse?
Two, do today's events make other terrorist attacks more or less likely? In London or American cities? In every way but the most important one -- no lives were lost today, as opposed to 56 deaths two weeks ago -- the news from London otherwise sounded eerily familiar. Three attempted bombings in the subway and one above ground on a bus.
CNN's chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour is standing by live at one of the sites, Warren Street station in London.
Christiane, are there any similarities between what happened today and two weeks ago in London? CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, yes, in that there were four attempts to attack subway systems and a bus, just like there were two weeks ago, and almost precisely the same pattern.
But the fact of the matter is, that there were no casualties. And this is a huge, huge difference. And there's a real sense tonight that London has been extremely lucky.
As far as we can gather from the police, they believe that these -- this could have been more serious. The police commissioner said that the intent was to kill, but many of the devices simply did not explode, and those are going to be the forensic evidence. And behind me is still a crime scene, as at the other stations.
It happened at around noon today, shortly after noon. And afterwards, Prime Minister Blair was asked about it. He was asked whether he believed that anything -- that the fact that the support for the Iraq war had made Britain more at risk for these kinds of attacks, and he said no.
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TONY BLAIR, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The roots of this are deep. This is the mistake of people thinking this suddenly began in the past couple of years. The roots of this were deep. The terrorist attacks go back over 10 years. And the way of defeating it is to defeat it of course by security measures, but also by going after the ideas of these people, the ideology of these people, their arguments, as well as their methods -- taking them on and defeating them.
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AMANPOUR: Politically, the Blair government and Prime Minister Blair is on the defensive, because a new influential study has said that in fact, although terrorism started before Iraq, Iraq has made it much more likely that countries that support the Iraq war will be targets -- for instance, Britain. And two-thirds of the British people believe that Britain's support for the Iraq war has been the cause of the attacks, certainly two weeks ago.
The British police, as I say, are still treating these subway stations and the bus as crime scenes, looking for forensic evidence and for the perpetrators -- Heidi.
COLLINS: Christiane, do we know anything more, though, about the actual devices used today? And if in fact there are any similarities to those used two weeks ago?
AMANPOUR: We don't. The police commissioner was very specific about not going into details of the investigation, wouldn't describe anything in terms of what the bombs or the devices were like. But he did say that it did appear that they were fortunate that there was perhaps significant breakthroughs in the forensic evidence left, in other words, the unexploded devices left.
COLLINS: All right, Christiane Amanpour tonight. Christiane, thanks.
Londoners know a great deal about living with danger. They have had German rockets rain down on them, IRA bombs go off in the sunshine of an ordinary day, and now the backpacks of terrorists explode below ground and on their famous double-decker red buses. And it's attempted a second time.
Any one of those might be enough to make people elsewhere say "uncle." As it happens, though, the English will have no part of that definition of the word. CNN senior international correspondent Matthew Chance now.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Every day, they face the terrorist threat, refusing to buckle. People like John Fadden (ph), a City banker, who takes a London bus to work and back, not out of necessity, but out of choice.
JOHN FADDEN, BANKER: Our normal route used to be the tube every day, but because of what has gone on, we thought, well, it's just absolutely ridiculous to use the tube. So we don't use that. But we won't give in to the terrorists. So every day, we're on the number 30 bus, and we go on the top deck, because we owe that to the people, not to be beaten by the terrorists.
CHANCE: These are uncertain days for a city already on edge, memories of the carnage two weeks ago still vivid. And with fears rife of a bombing campaign without end, legendary British nerve is under strain.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the next two weeks could be very interesting. Thursday in two weeks, I think we're all going to tread very carefully, avoiding the tube, I'm sure, and bus, but I think, yeah, I think this is clearly a pattern of behavior.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I suppose from an intellectual level, you think there is going to be another attack soon, but in reality you don't think it is going to happen, especially not so soon. So it's pretty -- pretty undermining.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'd just like our country back as it was before.
CHANCE: And in most ways, the country is as it was. English pubs still packed with drinkers, if not oblivious, then trying hard to be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I myself remain completely unaffected by all the events that happened, and therefore those while I have sympathy for those that have been affected, I try to make my life as disaffected by it as possible.
CHANCE: But on the streets, attitudes are more sober. London's transport system plunged into chaos yet again.
(on camera): For the second time in two weeks, these are the scenes on the streets of central London. Roads normally jam-packed with traffic empty, of buses, of trucks and of cars. What's more, thousands of commuters are struggling to make it home.
(voice-over): But for most, like John Fadden, it is a struggle worth making, never to surrender to terrorism, but to fight it.
FADDEN: The English people, London people in particular, take it on the chin. We'll stand up. We'll be (INAUDIBLE). We've taken two world wars, we've taken the Irish terrorism, and we'll continue. And if anybody out there thinks they're going to beat us, they can do one (ph).
CHANCE: British resolve, under assault again, seems for the moment to be holding.
CHANCE: Heidi, there is a big difference, though, between holding up under the pressure of one or two attacks and withstanding a prolonged campaign of bombing. Already, there's a deep sense of shock and concern that a second attack in London has taken place just two weeks to the day after that first very damaging attack two weeks ago. People here are now just bracing for what might happen next.
COLLINS: And, Matthew, it is an awful question, but can you really protect everyone who lives in London?
CHANCE: Well, it's very difficult, obviously to provide 100 percent security, particularly on these underground railway systems, one of the most extensive underground railway systems in the world. So many people use it.
What officials say is that the best kind of technology to protect public transport is the same kind of technology, the same kind of security that you get on airplanes and airports, with people going through X-ray machines, emptying their pockets, taking their shoes off, things like that. With 3 million people a day on the London tube, that's just not going to be possible.
COLLINS: All right, Matthew Chance, live tonight. Thank you, Matthew.
To talk more about today's events in London and other related matters, we are joined now by CNN security analyst Pat D'Amuro, who is also the chairman and CEO of the firm of Giuliani Security and Safety. Pat, thanks so much for being here.
It has been 12 hours, as we've been saying. I think the question on everybody's mind is, what are investigators looking for exactly at this point?
PAT D'AMURO, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: Well, at this point, they're looking to try to find what we call a fingerprint as to who could have constructed this device, taking a look at what type of material was used. Not exactly a fingerprint on an item to say this individual person did that, but what group of people construct the same type of devices? The explosive material used, the triggering device, and so on.
COLLINS: How will they go about answering whether or not these incidents are connected?
D'AMURO: Well, that's one of the ways they'll look at that. Because from that information, they'll develop leads that they can go out and follow those leads, and try to develop further investigative material, to lead them to the individuals that were responsible for this. And they'll use a vast array of other type of techniques, too.
COLLINS: What about the strategy, if it is even a strategy, of having a hit one day, waiting two weeks, the same type of hits, same type of targets?
D'AMURO: Well, we know for a fact that al Qaeda has planned to do that in the past. For example, in 1998, when we deployed -- when the FBI deployed to East Africa to investigate those bombings, there was intelligence that was developed and received that al Qaeda was going to wait for that deployment, and then actually try to attack and kill FBI agents and CIA agents that had deployed there.
COLLINS: What do we need to be doing here, in the United States, to be safer?
D'AMURO: Well, we're doing it. The country is doing it. Homeland Security is trying to find better ways to harden the security, the infrastructure of this country. The local agencies and state agencies are trying to find better ways.
Technology, in my opinion, is the answer. We must improve the technology. As Matthew said, people traveling on the trains are going to have to go through some type of device to determine if they're carrying a bomb or a metal object or something to that extent.
COLLINS: CNN security analyst Pat D'Amuro tonight. Pat, thanks.
D'AMURO: My pleasure.
COLLINS: Erica Hill from HEADLINE NEWS joins us now with some of the other stories we're following tonight. Hi, Erica.
ERICA HILL, CNNHN ANCHOR: Hi, Heidi.
So, new details tonight about a State Department memo at the center of the investigation into the leak of a CIA officer's names. The "Washington Post" reporting the paragraph that contains information about CIA officer Valerie Plame is marked "S" for "Secret." Prosecutors are looking into whether the memo tipped off White House officials to Plame's undercover statues. Now, remember, it's against federal law to reveal the identity of an undercover CIA agent.
On to Khartoum, Sudan. As Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with the country's president, some of her staff and members of the press were roughed up by Sudan's secret police. One of Rice's aides said, we have a free press in the U.S. A Sudanese official responded with, we don't here. Rice got an apology from the Sudanese foreign minister.
In the meantime, in China, a decision that could hit your wallet. China has re-valued its currency, the yuan. It is higher now against the dollar. So what does it mean? Well, it could cut competition for some U.S. companies, since Chinese products will be valued higher. What does that mean to you? It means that as a consumer, electronics and clothes from China could get more expensive.
And in Berlin, Germany, the big buzz reports Michael Jackson wants to move there. Jackson's father dishing out the information in a German newspaper and now their newspaper says Jackson feels he's been treated badly in the U.S. since his most recent trial and feels at home in Berlin. Last month you'll recall, Jackson was acquitted of child sex abuse charges.
And that's the latest from HEADLINE NEWS. Heidi, back over to you.
COLLINS: Sprechen sie Deutsche! That's all have to say. Erica, thanks. We'll see you again in about 30 minutes.
360 next, witness to terror. Much more on today's attempted bombings in London told from the people who were there on the scene when it happened.
Plus, in the spotlight. The wife of a Supreme Court nominee -- her position on abortion is getting a lot of attention.
And a little later, scorched Earth. Record temperatures coast-to- coast, the nation caught in a brutal heat wave and it's taking a deadly toll.
COLLINS: All across America, the air conditioners are blasting and the fans spinning, but this is July. It's supposed to be hot -- maybe not like this, though, and not for this long. Much of the nation is caught in the grip of a scorching heat wave. And with temperatures soaring past 100 degrees, and with no relief in sight, many of us are thinking cool thoughts and sweating it out.
Here's CNN's Rick Sanchez.
RICK SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT(voice-over): It is oppressive heat and it's clamping down on most of the country, but the Southwest seems to be suffering the most.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Excuse me, sir. Did you get enough water today?
SANCHEZ: Here in Phoenix, volunteers bring bottles of cold water to people on the streets. Eighteen have already died of heat-related causes, almost all of them homeless, prompting Phoenix officials to open air-conditioned shelters during the day, something they haven't done in years.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just been a little overwhelming these last many days as people have come for relief from the heat, for water, for food and for shelter.
SANCHEZ: Yes, they're used to the hot weather here, but for weeks, temperatures have been above average. For 10 straight days, they have soared to 109 degrees or higher and that isn't the only problem. There's little respite from the scorching heat even at night when lows still hover in the 90s and the drenching downpours that occur almost daily and normally help cool things off a bit this time of the year just haven't been happening.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had no idea that it could be so intense. I mean, the air is even hot when the wind blows. That has you feel like you're cooking.
SANCHEZ: And people who make their living predicting weather say they're not surprised.
JEFFREY SCHULTZ, CHIEF CLIMATOLOGIST, WEATHER 2000: We're absolutely having a hotter summer than normal. This is something that we actually saw coming for a while, thanks to -- one of the key ingredients is amount of drought or lack of precipitation.
SANCHEZ: Whatever the cause, the crushing heat is causing havoc from coast to coast and north of the border. In Las Vegas, temperatures have hovered around 115 degrees every day for a week now. Illinois has had more 90-degree days this summer, than in the past two summers combined.
Los Angeles, feeling the heat as well, with temperatures reaching from the high 90s to 104 and there seems to be no end in sight. Even the East Coast is baking with temperatures in Boston and New York hovering in and around the 90s and with high humidity, making it even more uncomfortable.
And in parts of normally cool Canada, officials have had to import power to help keep up with demand. So what can we do to keep cool? Follow the same advice your mother probably gave you years ago...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay out of the sun, plenty of fluids, you know, eat regularly, that's about it.
SANCHEZ: There's probably no place where it's more difficult than here in Phoenix, Arizona. It is difficult just to be outside, even on the inside. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to try and give you a sense of how hot it is outside and also, what some officials here in Phoenix are doing. This is a shelter that they've been kind enough to let us go into.
You can see in there, all the beds that been prepared for the people, but it's not just in there. If you can show them, Greg (ph), down here at night, they're actually putting down mats now as well, because they have people having to sleep here. They usually get about 400 people here year-round. They're now getting up to 420. Some have to still be turned away and officials here are telling me that in some cases, those may by the ones who have perished. Eighteen people died here in the last couple days and some of the officials say it's because of alcohol and drug problems in many cases. They're being more lenient, but they can't let them be disruptive as well.
What people are essentially getting here is counseling, food, but right now the two most important ingredients are water and air- conditioning; that they're able to get in this area as well.
We're going to try to walk outside, if we can, so we can show you exactly what the conditions are like outside where it's extremely difficult. If you'll pardon us, it going to get a little difficult because it's tight. They've got so many people in here right now.
We have placed, Heidi -- I want to show you this -- we've placed a thermostat in this area over here and we put it in the shade. I think you can tell. We have it in the shade just to be able to record what the temperatures are in some pockets here: 118 right now.
And what makes this worse is they're expecting monsoons, but they haven't come. But sometimes the winds do and then what happens is you get a dust storm coming into this area. So, right now all they can do now is hope and wait. We'll be following it. I'm Rich Sanchez. Heidi, back over to you.
COLLINS: All right. Just one day at a time, I guess. Rick Sanchez, thank you.
Still to come on 360, when the temperatures go up, the power could go out. We'll take you to a secret place. Because of security concerns, the location of one of the country's largest power grids is not public. Are they ready to prevent major blackouts this summer?
Also tonight, fear in London. What was going on underground when everyday commuters thought the worst was happening again.
Plus, meet Mrs. Roberts. We don't know her husband's stance on abortion yet, but we do know hers and it's getting a lot of attention.
COLLINS: The spouse of a Supreme Court nominee usually doesn't get much attention, but that's not the case with Jane Sullivan Roberts. The wife of Judge John Roberts is squarely in the spotlight. She's a mother, she's a lawyer, and unlike her husband, we know what her views are on abortion.
COLLINS (voice-over): Jane and John Roberts met on a blind date a decade ago and soon married. They both were lawyers, practicing Catholics, and in their early 40's. But a change in priorities hit a bump. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's what they really wanted, was to start a family right away and they tried and they tried and they tried, and nature didn't cooperate with them.
COLLINS: But the couple eventually adopted two children, Josephine, "Josie," age 5, and Jack every bit the fidgety 4-year-old. While his dad was introduced to the nation on Tuesday, young Jack's attention laid elsewhere. Even though it looked like mom wasn't happy, the kids are the focus of John and Jane's life.
SHANNEN COFFIN, ROBERTS FAMILY FRIEND: When I see her with those beautiful children, she manages to have complete attention on them, but be relaxed at the same time.
COLLINS: They're both 50 years old now. Jane loves to cook, John mows his own lawn and was spotted taking the kids to day camp in the minivan before heading off to talk with senators who will decide his fate. A good-luck kiss seals the all-American picture.
COFFIN: John is a very affable, warm man. Jane lights up the room. Jane is the bright light in that relationship.
COLLINS: Jane Sullivan was raised in suburban New York where the family was active in their local Catholic church. She attended Holy Cross College and later law school in Washington, where she then entered corporate law, specializing in technology regulations.
Jane Roberts is a devout Catholic. She does pro bono legal work for Feminists for Life, a mother's advocacy group that promotes alternatives to abortion, and has filed legal briefs with the Supreme Court challenging the right to an abortion. "Everybody Loves Raymond" actress Patricia Heaton is one of the honorary chairwomen.
One of the cases Jane Roberts argued for the group -- winning an appeal on behalf of two 17-year-old Kentucky mothers denied entry in 1999 to a high school honor society.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Practicing Catholics don't like to talk about their faith. They don't wear it on their sleeves. They live it. And John and Jane live their faith.
COLLINS: Scorched Earth. How hot is it? Deaths in Arizona, 91 degrees at night, droughts. What you don't know about this extreme heat.
And runaway suspicions. After our piece on affairs and cheating, we heard from so many of you worrying how can you really tell? More answers tonight. 360 continues.
COLLINS: We turn back to London now, where the early reports must have had made the fretful people of that city think they were living through the dreadful 7th of July all over again. In important ways, today turned out to not be a replay. But it was worrying enough, to say the least.
CNN chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour explains.
AMANPOUR (voice-over): Londoners had been warned that terrorists might strike again, but twice in two weeks?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it's worrying, yes, because you never know. You didn't think two weeks later it would happen again.
AMANPOUR: Three tube trains, one bus, same M.O. as July 7, but this time, no casualties. The devices did not explode properly. There was not much to see this time, rather, passengers on London's Underground smelled trouble.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It started to smell like burning wires and it felt like an unusual smell. I have experienced the smell of the train when it breaks before, and that was nothing like this (ph). And suddenly people panicked and started screaming, making their way to the next carriage. Then I realized it was more serious than that.
Frankly, they evacuated to the next one to give room to others to go through. And then some gentleman started shouting, don't panic, don't panic.
AMANPOUR: This time, there were no reported deaths, no suicide bombers, and the would-be killers may still be at large.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And suddenly, I saw a guy running from the stairs. And then people chasing him. And I was carrying two bags, so I couldn't really do anything. The time I put the bag on the ground he passed by me already. He run. And then just crossed the street and walked straight...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He walked?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Straight, yeah, by the park, you know?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was he running?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was running, yes. And then there was another guy, he was chasing him. And then by chance, we saw a police car. Then we waved -- both of us, we waved to the police that he was going straight that way. I don't know if they did catch him or whatever.
AMANPOUR: Near the 26 bus which had windows blown out, but again no injuries, a eyewitness recalls...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was on the bus behind. I saw a number 26 pulled over at the bus stop. People being evacuated. The police arrived very quickly on the spot, started cordoning off the bus. And I didn't see any sign of injury.
AMANPOUR: Twice in two weeks. It did frighten some away from the tube, some, but not all.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I live only minutes up that way. I work in the near town that way. And this is my home, so it's just taking it on the chin.
AMANPOUR: Londoners are left asking, could this be a pattern they'll have to learn to live with?
AMANPOUR: And amazing though it may seen, twice in two weeks, one with 56 casualties and 700 injuries, this time perhaps a lucky escape, a narrow escape. Londoners are still showing that they are unable to be ruffled, if you'd like. Even tonight in these areas which are now cordoned off, but in the streets around, people were having drinks in the pubs, people were out, people were determined to continue and to carry on -- Heidi.
COLLINS: Christiane, thank you.
In the wake of today's attempted bombings in London, the New York Police Department is stepping up its security. Officers will begin random bag searches in subways and buses. Can you imagine random searches with 7.7 million commuters every day?
Ever since September 11, New York has been on heightened alert. And to reduce the chance of another terror attack, the city's finest are keeping a close watch on the world.
CNN's Deborah Feyerick has more.
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Within minutes of the London attack, New York City's top cop was already in the loop. And that meant the mayor was, too.
MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG, NEW YORK: The police commissioner has talked to our police officer in London. They're just getting information.
FEYERICK: And it's not just in London, but in Israel and Iraq and Spain. New York City cops overseas, on the ground and gathering intelligence vital to a city that has been attacked or targeted at least half a dozen times in the last 15 years.
Security expert Brian Jenkins says intelligence, especially for police, is critical in the age of terror.
BRIAN JENKINS, SECURITY ANALYST: The ability to transfer information from one part of the word to another very rapidly is extremely important in dealing with a fast-moving enemy.
FEYERICK: It's the kind of information that affects how many police are deployed, where they're stationed and what kind of threat they're facing. New York cops talking to other cops in other countries, just like they did in Spain.
COMMISSIONER RAY KELLY, NEW YORK POLICE DEPT: We had our investigator in Madrid that day. He responded from the Middle East. We had additional investigators there the next day. So they were very cooperative, the Spanish authorities, with the New York City detectives, and it helped us.
FEYERICK: In some cases, the NYPD even helping on international cases like the arrest of London Sheikh Abu Hamza al Masri last year.
KELLY: The detective and special agent developed an excellent working relationship with cooperative sources. That was essential in breaking this case.
FEYERICK: It's a police strategy with an ever-changing game plan based on the latest intelligence, like this newest security measure for New York subways and trains stemming from the London attacks -- random bag checks.
KELLY: Every certain number of people will be checked. It won't be done on a -- certainly no racial profiling will be allowed. It's against our policies. But it will be a systemized approach to checking bags.
FEYERICK: Since 9/11, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, a former Marine, has revamped the NYPD. Counterterrorism and intelligence units that never existed before are now key. Teams of investigators scour city businesses gathering intelligence, anything out of the ordinary. And heavily armed teams often patrol sensitive areas and potential targets -- the city safer, though admittedly not invulnerable.
KELLY: No guarantee. There are no guarantees in the post-9/11 world. But we're very proactive.
FEYERICK: Now, not everyone is excited by the NYPD's new global presence. Sources say that some federal agencies see the NYPD cops as meddling even though they're only gathering intelligence, not working cases.
The top cop is not backing down. His goal, do whatever he can to make sure that what happens there doesn't happen here -- Heidi.
COLLINS: All right. Deb Feyerick, thanks.
There are more than 1.5 million police security cameras in London, but far less in New York. Here's the "Download". New York, the home of the largest mass transit system in the United States, has 5,723 surveillance cameras in place. But we were surprised to find out there are none in nearly half of the city's subway stations. And there are no cameras on the more than 6,000 subway cars.
But many of the black and white monitors are being replaced with a new set of digital video recorders. Each one can cost more than $10,000 to install and maintain. 360 next, we take you to a top secret location, due to security reasons -- one of the America's biggest power grids. See what's being done to make sure the power stays on for your AC this summer.
Also tonight, life after infidelity. How to overcome the heartache. Two couples share how they stuck it out.
COLLINS: Erica Hill from HEADLINE NEWS joins us with some of the day's top stories once again. Hi, Erica.
HILL: Hi, Heidi.
We start off in Tblisi, Georgia. A man confesses to throwing a live grenade near President Bush. Now, the suspect was detained yesterday after being wounded in an exchange of gunfire with police. One officer was killed. The grenade he confessed to throwing in May during President Bush's visit to Georgia never went off.
In the meantime near the Canadian border. What's this all "aboot"? Get it? It wasn't a very good Canadian accent. Sorry to all of our viewers to the north. U.S. and Canadian agents acting on a tip spied on the construction of this tunnel until it was completed, and then arrested the three Canadians who allegedly built it. They're going to face drug smuggling charges. The 360 foot tunnel is the first of its kind discovered on the northern border.
And in the Atlantic, here we go again. You're looking at live satellite pictures here. Tropical depression six forming just east of the Bahamas. It could become Tropical Storm Franklin tonight or tomorrow. That would, of course, make it the sixth named storm of the season. And it's not even August yet. That has actually never happened before. As of now, it doesn't appear to be a major threat to the U.S. coastline.
But, of course, Heidi, as we know, that can all change with a drop of a hat.
COLLINS: It can change just about any minute.
HILL: There you go, eh.
COLLINS: Thanks, Erica. See you again in 30 minutes or so.
With record temperatures coast to coast, this summer's heat wave has taken a heavy toll on the nation's power grids. They are struggling to keep up with the demands for electricity, trying to avoid a repeat of the 2003's crippling blackout.
Joining us now is Stephen G. Whitley, the chief operations officer of ISO New England, one of the largest power grids in the country.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) COLLINS: Stephen, as we look at you there, you are in this huge cavernous room and I know that you've asked us not to disclose your actual location. Tell us just how vulnerable the power grid is to a terrorist attack?
STEPHEN G. WHITLEY, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER: Well, the power grid itself it well-protected. However, it's a basic security policy we have not to disclose the location of our control center.
COLLINS: All right, understood. You are at ground zero of your operation as we can see. So talk to us about that huge map that we see in the background and what it means.
WHITLEY: Well, this map board is a depiction of the bulk power system in New England and the interconnections that we have on the east end of our system with New Brunswick; the middle part of our system with Quebec; and the eastern part of our system with New York.
We have -- it represents 350 generating plants, 8,000 miles of transmission lines and all the substations that connect that grid together. And it's the job of these folks here to operate that system in a reliable manner and dispatch at the lowest possible cost.
COLLINS: You can see just how highly complicated that looks. As you know, the country has been having some record-high temperatures, though. Can you tell us in real-world terms just how much energy we're using because of that?
WHITLEY: Well, first of all, we really broke all kinds of records in New England this week. We hit a demand that was five-and-a-half percent higher than any demand we've ever seen before and we did it because of the great work of the folks in this room, the system operators, the transmission owners that maintained a very good transmission system to keep the lights on and the power plant operators that gave the generation to the grid we needed.
So, our demand was 1,400 megawatts higher than anything we've ever seen before. We actually used enough electricity for that day in New England that would take the Niagara Falls Power Plant two weeks to generate.
COLLINS: All right. So, that is a huge number because I know that one megawatt services something like a thousand homes. But in addition to the heat, what are the other reasons why Americans are using more electricity these days?
WHITLEY: Well, there are more homes and more homes are putting in air conditioning. In addition, the electronic society is happening. Everybody is putting in bigger, faster computers -- small businesses, businesses in the homes. And that drives the need for electricity. That's really happening here in New England and we're especially sitting in an air-conditioning demand in the summertime in New England as well.
COLLINS: All right. Stephen Whitley, thanks so much for the inside look at the power plant. We appreciate it. 360 next, surviving infidelity. Two couples who've been there share how you can mend a broken heart. Plus your e-mails have been pouring in on this subject tonight. We'll get some answers.
COLLINS: Ever since we heard actor Jude Law had an affair, we've been exploring the reasons why people cheat and we looked at ways to overcome infidelity. We hear a lot about break-ups and affairs in Hollywood, but this week we've shown you that this is a very real problem happening across America.
Soon we'll hear some of your stories of heartbreak and get some advice. But first Gary Tuchman introduces us to two couples hurt by infidelity, thatt somehow stayed together.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Victor and Jennifer Skillings of Anaheim, California, were high school sweethearts. They got married at 20, pregnant at 21 and like so many couples, they've not had an easy time of it.
(on camera): Was your marriage happy when it first started?
VICTOR SKILLINGS, HUSBAND: No.
TUCHMAN (on camera): How come?
V. SKILLINGS: Well, with a new baby and my long work hours, it was very demanding. I worked a lot and when I came home, I was expected to keep working a little more.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Jennifer says Victor wasn't pulling his weight and didn't seem to care.
JENNIFER SKILLINGS, WIFE: It wasn't what I dreamed it would be. He was acting very distant. It just -- I felt like he didn't want to be married anymore.
TUCHMAN: At work, Victor met a younger woman, a college co-ed. And then...
V. SKILLINGS: We played pool for a while and then we went outside and we started kissing. I think I liked the attention and I wanted to pursue more of it.
TUCHMAN: He would come home to his wife and son, but then leave without explanation to pursue his affair.
(on camera): Hotels, parks -- so, I mean, actually you were so not afraid of being caught at that time you would go to parks.
V. SKILLINGS: I'd go to parks right out in the middle of everywhere. Yes. I'd be seen by my bosses driving by and --
TUCHMAN (on camera): You didn't care?
V. SKILLINGS: No.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Jennifer had no clue about the affair and was stunned when a year-and-a-half after their baby was born, Victor asked for a divorce and walked out.
J. SKILLINGS: I cried, I begged, I pleaded. I was pulling on him so he wouldn't leave. I just wanted him back.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Jennifer had no idea what to do.
J. SKILLINGS: Every night he was gone, I cried.
TUCHMAN (on camera): Were you able to function?
J. SKILLINGS: Not really, no. I had to take care of our son. I had to be strong for him, but aside from that, when he was asleep, I just pretty much fell apart.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): And that brings us to another couple whose marriage was devastated because of cheating, but this time it was the wife. Patty Klein is the daughter of a minister.
PATTY KLEIN, WIFE: It became an addiction with me. And for a four-year period I had multiple affairs.
TUCHMAN: Her husband Jim, who was also a minister, knew nothing. B ut once he did, he couldn't stop imagining his wife with another man.
JIM KLEIN, HUSBAND: Well, it was hugely painful, you know, just the idea that she would be doing that with anybody else was hard to face and yet, knowing the details was just horrid.
P. KLEIN: It started out just friendly flirting at work.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): But for the mother of two, it was just the beginning. She craved the attention of other men.
TUCHMAN (on camera): When did Jim find out?
P. KLEIN: When I told him.
TUCHMAN: So, he didn't find out on his own?
P. KLEIN: No.
TUCHMAN: And what did you say to him?
P. KLEIN: I wrote him a note, a Post-it note -- one of those little yellow Post-it notes -- "I'm having an affair. I'm leaving you."
J. KLEIN: I saw the note and knew I had to do, you know, do something. I mean, I loved her and that didn't change it. I still loved her.
P. KLEIN: Hello.
TUCHMAN: That was 20 years ago. Over time, Jim would find a way to forgive Patty and take her back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here in the world of real marriages, I'm sorry, is a very necessary and often underused expression. So is the phrase I forgive you.
TUCHMAN: The Kleins' painful marital struggles and finding the success led them to organize in a unique class, where instructors help others in the same situation. The Kleins personally taught Victor and Jennifer Skillings.
Hundreds of couples have walked through these doors over the years to participate in this program. They come with good and hopeful intentions.
(on camera): But most of the time, it turns out not to be enough.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And so I tend to get focused on me and my needs, wants, and desires. I know there's things that I do or say to him that hurt him or make him angry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I'm going to stay married, then I have to get over that stuff. It can't be a part of our lives.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): A lesson from the heart, learned the hard way -- a lesson they teach over and over again, even though it still doesn't work for at least six out of every 10 couples that come in. But the Kleins, who happen to be on vacation and away from the class for a couple of weeks, believe the failure rate would be much higher if the couples didn't join up.
J. KLEIN: A lot of people don't choose to patch things up. They try to go on and try to encourage people, no, they don't have to do that. There's a better way.
TUCHMAN: Victor moved back home shortly after he started going to the group.
V. SKILLINGS: Our second child was conceived that night.
J. SKILLINGS: Say hi, daddy. Are you going to color?
TUCHMAN: That second child is Ashley, who is now five. Her brother is 8-year old Andrew, who was a toddler when his father left. And now there's another toddler, 15-month old Amy.
J. SKILLINGS: Does Amy want to color?
He's so different. Just the way he talks, the way he looks at me, just everything is so much different than it was before.
TUCHMAN: They're 29 now, but they hold fast to advice the Kleins once gave them when it seemed all was lost.
J. KLEIN: The kind of person you're going to become is the kind of person your spouse can fall in love with all over again.
TUCHMAN: Words Jennifer and Victor tried to work on.
Gary Tuchman, CNN, Anaheim, California.
COLLINS: Let's find out what's coming up at the top of the hour now on PAULA ZAHN NOW. Hi, Paula.
PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, Heidi. Thanks so much. Of course, we'll have the very latest in London on the investigation into that wild and very confusing day.
Plus, one man's struggle to overcome tragedy and save a life. Jason Torres and his wife Susan were expecting their second child when she suddenly suffered a stroke. Well, she's now brain dead. Her body is being kept alive so their unborn child can come into the world. But there is a complication now that can ruin everything. We're going to have this story at the top of the hour. It's one of those that's heart-wrenching every single minute of the piece.
COLLINS: Heartbreaking, that's for sure. Paula, thank you.
360 next, your concerns about infidelity. Many of you have written in and shared your lives. After the break, we'll talk with a sex therapist and get some answers to your questions.
COLLINS: On Tuesday, we looked at the reasons why people cheat with sex therapist and author Ian Kerner. Well, after the interview, his e-mail account was flooded with your thoughts and questions. So tonight Ian Kerner joins us once again from Los Angeles to answer some of those e-mails.
Ian, thanks. Let's get straight to the first one here, OK.
IAN KERNER, SEX THERAPIST: OK. My pleasure.
COLLINS: The first e-mail -- of course, we've taken out the names here to protect everybody. But a married man writes to us, "two years ago, I had an affair and my wife found out. She forgave me. But I guess we never really totally recovered. Now, I just found out that she's having an affair. She says she wants to work on the marriage. But I just can't bring myself to forgive her."
Do men have a harder time when a woman cheats? And isn't there sort of a double standard here?
KERNER: Oh, definitely. You know, female infidelity is really on the rise now. And men have to get used to it. They need to learn how to talk about it, communicate it and work through it. And right now, we really have a double standard. There is a culture of forgiveness for male infidelity that does not exist for female infidelity. So, if a guy cheats, a woman can turn on the TV, she can open a magazine, she can talk to her friends and she's basically going to be reinforced to forgive and forget. She's going to hear, you know hey, guys cheat, guys are dogs, guys think with their penises.
But if a woman cheats, she's more likely to be ostracized. And for a guy, there really isn't any outlet for him out there for him to begin with the emotional turmoil. So he is much less likely to forgive and forget.
COLLINS: Doesn't seem quite right.
KERNER: It's not right.
COLLINS: Number two, another one now. A young married woman writes to us, "My husband and I have been married for a year. We recently had a baby. Ever since, my sex drive has gone down. I'm afraid my husband might go off and look for sex elsewhere. Am I just paranoid?"
Well, post-baby, this is a question we talked about, is he more likely to stray?
KERNER: Well, you know, we have this idea that when you have a baby as a couple, it's the biggest event to bring you together as a couple. But very often marital and sexual dissatisfaction begins after the birth of the first baby.
You know, think about it for a second. You know, mom is with her baby, the hormones are raging, oxytocin levels, which help her bond with her baby are particularly high. And when oxytocin levels get higher, testosterone levels get lower, so she really doesn't have as much sexual desire for her husband.
And, you know, the truth is I think that women sometimes don't understand about men. You know, we don't have a lot of emotional outlets. We're not so good at crying. We're not so great at hugging or talking about our feelings. Sex very much is for us an emotional outlet. And if we are sexually disconnected, you know, are going to start feeling emotionally disconnected. And when a guy is emotionally disconnected, that's when he is most vulnerable to infidelity.
COLLINS: All right. Ian, this is the last one. Real quick for us. Another one from a married man, "Is it OK that your wife shares her sexual fantasies over the Internet with different men rather than sharing them with her husband." Is Internet sex cheating?
KERNER: I think it definitely is. I think it's definitely the beginning of a sexual separation. And the Internet is playing a bigger and bigger role in infidelity.
And we have to watch out for this. I mean, instead of experiencing your fantasy life off on the Internet with strangers, you really need to have the comfort and the intimacy to express those fantasies at home with your partner.
COLLINS: All right. Ian Kerner, you know what, this is pretty popular, we're going to do it again next week.
COLLINS: If anybody has any questions, go ahead and e-mail us at Anderson Cooper 360.
Meanwhile, before we go, we want to recap our top story -- today's four attempted bombings in London in three underground trains and on a double-decker bus. Luckily, no one was hurt. But it was eerily similar to the attacks just two weeks ago when 56 people were killed, including the four bombers. Police say it's too early to say whether there was a connection between the two days' events.
I'm Heidi Collins. CNN prime-time coverage continues with Paula Zahn. Hi, Paula.
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