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Anti-Terror Fatwa; London Terror Investigation; Hot Energy Demand

Aired July 29, 2005 - 06:30   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We reject anyone of any faith who commits such brutal acts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we'll not allow our faith to be hijacked by criminals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Islam is not about hatred and violence. It's about peace and justice.

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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: And, you know, I ask you again, will these sentiments at all sway the seemingly endless supply of young men throughout the world willing to become suicide bombers?

SALAM AL-MARAYATI, MUSLIM PUBLIC AFFAIRS COUNCIL: It definitely will, and it should.

COSTELLO: But how?

AL-MARAYATI: For two reasons. For two reasons.

Number one, as we are collecting these voices and unifying our voices, it isolates the extremists from the audience. And I think that's the main goal of counterterrorism policy.

Number two, you're speaking to the young minds, and you're saying, don't be swayed by these extremist forgeries of Islam that these radicals are trying to sell you with. It will not work, it is not Islam. So I think by raising and amplifying this voice it should work.

COSTELLO: You know, and I'm just thinking about how young people think and how they buy into the romance of things. Are you doing things like going into people's homes, running schools to educate people within the mosques, things like that?

AL-MARAYATI: Again, our national grassroots campaign has three points.

Number one, amplifying Islam's message against terrorism.

Number two, developing mosque guidelines so they can monitor what's going on in their own mosques. If any outsider comes and tries to exploit the goodwill of the Muslim community, then they will be the first to alert us.

Number three, develop partnership with law enforcement.

The other thing that we are doing is organizing student councils and student associations throughout the United States. So I think that the message is loud and clear in the Muslim community. I just hope that the American public realizes the good work of the American- Muslim community in preventing another terrorist attack on our country.

COSTELLO: Salam Al-Marayati, the executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. Thank you for joining DAYBREAK this morning.

AL-MARAYATI: Thank you.

COSTELLO: One of the suspected London bombing suspects is being questioned again today, but police desperately want to find those three other suspects in the July 21 bombing attempts.

Mallika Kapur is at Scotland Yard. She had the latest for us.

Hello, Mallika.

MALLIKA KAPUR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Carol.

You're absolutely right, the focus of the investigation now very much on the manhunt for these three suspected terrorists. We've seen a number of arrests this week, a number of raids taking place. And one very significant breakthrough, as you just mentioned.

Earlier, police did arrest one man on Wednesday. That man is Yasin Hassan Omar, who police believe tried to explode a bomb on the Warren Street underground tube station on July the 21st. They do have him in custody. He's being held here in London at the high security Paddington Green center, where they are continuing to question him. But the focus very much on finding his three accomplices.

Police have issued photographs of these people. We know the names of one of them. One of them is said to be Muktar Said Ibrahim, who is said to have tried to explode a bomb on the number 26 bus in the Hackney region. We do not know the names of the other two suspects, but police have released those photographs to the public with an urgent plea to them to look out for these men and to call in if they have any further information on these men -- Carol.

COSTELLO: Mallika Kapur, live in London this morning.

A possible player in the July 7 attack could have been in custody long before the bombings. The U.S. had asked for permission to detain Haroon Rashid Aswat in South Africa a month before the attack. Britain balked and Aswat disappeared. It's believe he offered support for the July 7 bombers.

Reports say Aswat was detained last week, well after both the July 7 and the July 21 bombings. He's now in custody in Zambia. In other stories "Across America" now, people living near an oil refinery in Texas City, Texas, are being asked to stay inside their homes following an unexplained explosion. No one was injured at the blast at the British Petroleum plant. Fifteen people died after a larger explosion rocked the plant in March.

A California teen has been sentenced to 12 years in a detention center for beating another boy to death. You'll remember this was the incident where one teen attacked the other with an aluminum baseball bat after a little league game. The 13-year-old who was convicted of the crime said he used the bat after he felt threatened.

Divers will be back in the water this morning near Garry, Indiana, but their efforts have turned from rescue to recovery. They've been searching the river for a 2-year-old girl. The girl flew out of a car window when her SUV crashed. And then her body went over a highway bridge and into the river on Wednesday night.

More maneuvers for the Shuttle Discovery this morning. Within the next hour, the astronauts will start using the orbiter's robotic arm to get a better look at the craft. They're still looking for possible damage from that debris that flew off the space shuttle during liftoff.

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EILEEN COLLINS, SHUTTLE COMMANDER: Yes, we did get word on what the shuttle program knows at this point. We were actually quite surprised to hear that we had some large pieces of debris fall off the external tank. It wasn't what we had expected. But, you know, we certainly have a good plan in place here to observe that we did have such an event and to inspect the orbiter to see if we had any damage.

DR. ANDREW THOMAS, MISSION SPECIALIST: All of us on the crew, I think, were very surprised to hear that -- we weren't surprised from the point of view that we think there's a risk to our own entry. We were surprised that it had happened after so many good people had worked so hard to mitigate the problems with foam release and to make sure that it wouldn't happen again. So as you can imagine, to find that it had happened on this mission was a great surprise to us all.

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COSTELLO: NASA says the piece of foam may have hit the shuttle during the launch. We want to check in with CNN's Miles O'Brien for a look at what's coming up on "AMERICAN MORNING."

And I want to ask you specifically about his. Wayne Hale, NASA's deputy shuttle program manager, says the shuttle fleet is not grounded. He says, "We have a crew in flight."

Now, all yesterday we've been reporting that the shuttle crew is grounded.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN SPACE CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is a bit of a semantic discussion. Yes, I mean, on the face of it, when you ground a fleet and one of the aircraft is in the air, technically you're not really grounded. But the point is, once Discovery comes home, safe and sound -- and by all accounts, the orbiter is in good shape to do just that -- at the end of this mission, then they will be staying on the ground until they fix this significant problem, this big piece of foam that fell off the external fuel tank.

Take a look at those pictures. There you see that Canadian robot arm that is part of this survey to make sure that everything is safe and sound on Discovery.

I think the term "grounding" upsets a lot of people in the space business because their point is, when you're flying experimental vehicles, every vehicle is grounded until you do a bunch of checks. In other words, the burden of proof is kind of different.

So the bottom line is, though, when they -- when they start getting into those discussions, it sort of overlooks the big picture here. You know?

COSTELLO: Well, but exactly. And I wanted to ask you about that. There seems to be some difference of opinion as to what this piece of foam did within the NASA community.

O'BRIEN: Well, there's always going to be a debate. There will always be an engineering debate. But the good news is, the debate that is going on right now is a debate that is surrounded by a lot of data. And that is a big difference from two-and-a-half years ago.

And a lot of this discussion would not have even occurred if it weren't for the capability of seeing what we have seen so far. All of these views -- take a look -- this is animation. It's amazing how good our animation is. It almost looks like the real thing.

COSTELLO: I know.

O'BRIEN: You know? We almost have to put actual video on the other stuff. But there you see that little piece that came off there.

We know that piece came off. We know that piece is about a pound in size. We know that would cause a serious problem to the orbiter if it had fell off earlier. All that is just, you know, empirical facts.

So when they get into, you know, discussions about this, at least they're coming at it with a lot of data. And that's the difference.

COSTELLO: At least so. Of course you'll talk about this much more on "AMERICAN MORNING."

O'BRIEN: Absolutely. Lots in store. Good to see you.

COSTELLO: Thank you, Miles.

Have you been cranking the AC lately? Energy companies will be rolling in clover as we sweat it out in the summer. Trying to stay cool, they'll be collecting all of your fine cash.

Having money is one thing, but which women have real power in today's world? We've got the list for you.

But first, here's what else is making news this Friday.

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COSTELLO: A look at how the international markets are trading. Tokyo's Nikkei up 41 points. The London FTSE up 36. The German DAX up 14.

Time now for a little "Business Buzz."

Temperatures have finally called after this week's heat wave, but J.J. Ramberg tells us that energy demand is still red hot.

It certainly is.

JJ RAMBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Isn't it weird, though, when it's 85 degrees outside and you're like, "God, this is so nice?" You know? Where's my jacket?

COSTELLO: It's so cool. I know.

RAMBERG: But yes, temperatures, you know, they've hit record highs it cities all across the United States. And during that time, a lot of us were looking for a way just to cool off. And for so many people, that means sitting in front of an air-conditioner. And most major cities, including New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, saw record energy demand this week.

Now, that could be great news for the energy companies, because as the record usage goes up -- or as usage goes up, that likely means that revenues will go up also. They could see some record revenues.

Now, in Midwest -- just in the Midwest, for an example, the price for a megawatt worth of energy for an hour was $189 in Michigan. Now, on June 27, that was the last time the record was set. That was only $116.

COSTELLO: Wow.

RAMBERG: That's a lot in just, you know, a month.

COSTELLO: Wow.

RAMBERG: Now, the utilities were urging people to conserve electricity when possible. The reason is because record demand could prove a major test to the nation's power grid. I'm sure most of us remember that blackout two years ago. Fifty million people lost power. And then I personally remember very well the blackouts in California, which were two years before that, because I lived in California at that time.

COSTELLO: Oh, it was terrible.

RAMBERG: So they don't want that to happen again. COSTELLO: Yes. You know, I did a story years ago because it seemed that electricity was more expensive in the summer than the winter. And indeed it was. But the electric company at the time told me they just charged less in the winter.

It's like -- so that means you do charge more in the summer? No, it means we charge less in the winter. I'll never forget that story.

RAMBERG: Yes, that's a good way of couching it.

COSTELLO: Exactly. A look at the futures?

RAMBERG: Futures so far pointing to open a little bit higher. Yesterday, the S&P and the Nasdaq both closed at four-year highs.

COSTELLO: All right. Thank you, JJ. We appreciate it.

"Forbes" magazine is out with a list of the world's 100 most powerful women.

We did not make the list JJ.

RAMBERG: Next year.

COSTELLO: Yes, maybe.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice did. She tops the list. The vice premier of China is next, followed by the prime minister of the Ukraine, the president of the Philippines and Margaret Whitman, the CEO of eBay. That rounds off the top five.

Some other notables you may be wondering about, Senator Hillary Clinton is number 26 on the list. "Harry Potter" author J.K. Rowling is number 40. First lady Laura Bush is number 46. And our very own correspondent, Christiane Amanpour, is number 72.

RAMBERG: Wow. That's exciting.

COSTELLO: Ooh. I'm going to have to sit next to her more often.

Britain's Queen Elizabeth, by the way, is number 75.

RAMBERG: You know what? I'm just looking at this list right now. It's pretty amazing that in the top, let's see, nine, one, two, three, four, five of them are American women -- American businesswomen.

COSTELLO: That means maybe the glass ceiling is cracking just a bit?

RAMBERG: Just a little bit, yes.

COSTELLO: Yes. Oprah must be in there.

RAMBERG: Oprah is. She is -- yes, she's number nine, right there, chairman, Harpo. COSTELLO: Number nine. I figured that.

RAMBERG: Good guess.

COSTELLO: Yes.

Your news, money, weather and sports. It's 6:44 Eastern. Here's what's all new this morning.

Stepping into the spotlight. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, "The New York Times" is reporting Frist, a Republican, is breaking with the president over stem cell policy. Frist will reportedly back legislation calling for more federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

In money news, cars made by Honda had the highest fuel efficiency for 2005 vehicles. The government says the fleet average for Hondas is 25 miles per gallon, followed by Toyota, at 23. The EPA puts Ford last, with 19.5

In pop culture, NBC is being sued over its "Average Joe" series. One of the former Joes and two other men say NBC used their ideas for "Average Joe: The Joes Strikes Back." They want $40 million, and there ain't nothing average about that.

In sports, the Toronto Blue Jays and the LA Angels played the longest game of the seasons, 10 minutes short of five hours.

Eighteen innings, Chad -- Chad?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Five...

COSTELLO: He's still asleep from watching the game yesterday.

MYERS: Actually, it just finished not that long ago. Because they're on -- they're on obviously Pacific Time, right?

Let me show you what's going on here across the country.

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COSTELLO: Thank you, Chad.

That's a look at the latest headlines for you.

Still to come on DAYBREAK, want to break a sweat and burn some calories but don't know which gym is right for you? We will help you make that important decision.

You're watching DAYBREAK for a Friday.

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COSTELLO: In a DAYBREAK follow-up, arson charges have been filed against two Ohio teenagers for burning American flags. The flags were taken from a soldier's memorial and set on fire underneath that car. The flags were to honor Army Private Time Hines. He died from wounds suffered in Iraq. Hines was buried last Friday.

Fairfield police say the boys, 15 and 13, took the flags early Saturday and committed other vandalism that day. That's Fairfield, Ohio.

It is now 6:50 Eastern. Here's what will be making news today.

President Bush will sign the Patient Safety Bill into law. It establishes a system for reporting medical errors in a voluntary and confidential manner so they can be analyzed. The American Medical Association says that will reduce the number of patient injuries and deaths caused by medical mistakes.

"New York Times" reporter Judith Miller is praising her prison guards. But she says she's been outside only twice in three weeks. Miller is in prison in Virginia for refusing to name a confidential source in the CIA leak investigation.

And the National Slavery Museum will put some of its exhibits and its architectural design on display today at a preview event. The museum is scheduled to open in 2007.

A new plan in Congress aims to cut down on medical mistakes. CNN's Soledad O'Brien joins us now for a look at what's coming up on that on "AMERICAN MORNING."

Good morning.

SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Hey, Carol. Good morning to you.

This morning we're going to take a closer look at that Patient Safety Bill you were just talking about. It's supposed to -- and maybe we should underscore "supposed to" -- cut down on the number of patient injuries and deaths that are caused by medical errors. But does it have any teeth that will make it actually work? We're going to take a look at that ahead this morning.

Also, we're going to meet a family that is challenging its heartache into something positive. Sixteen years ago, Kim and Stu Leonard's 2-year-old son drowned after falling into the family pool. Well, now the Leonards are dedicating their lives to making sure that other children don't suffer that same fate.

We're going to tell you about a special program that they have started. And, of course, you know, I think those kind of accidental drownings and things like that for any parent who has their kid near the water is really, really worrisome. So we'll talk a little bit more about that on "AMERICAN MORNING" as well.

We'll see you at the top of the hour.

COSTELLO: All right. Thanks, Soledad.

You can get a workout just trying to find the best place to work out. There's the cost, of course, but also the location, the equipment, and the gym's personnel to consider.

Neal Boulton is editor-in-chief of "Men's Fitness" magazine. He's here to tell us how to not get clubbed when finding a club.

NEAL BOULTON, "MEN'S FITNESS": That's right.

COSTELLO: That's pretty clever, wasn't it?

BOULTON: Yes, it was good, very good. I like that one.

COSTELLO: So one of the first things you should do is check out the gym within the hours you're actually going to go to the gym.

BOULTON: Absolutely. You know, folks often take a lunch break and they go, "Let me check this gym out here." And it's empty, and there's some lovely music playing and no one's there. And then they go during peak hours, the hours that most folks go, after work, and they can't get a spot on the treadmill.

So you really want to make sure you go during the peak hours.

COSTELLO: Yes. And you say visit the gym during the peak hours even if you're not going to go there at that time. Why?

BOULTON: That's right. That's right. Well, because you want to see what kind -- you know, what is the gym really performing in, you know, peak service?

Are they attentive to your needs? Is it clean? I mean, you know, one of the things that you see is that when you're hunting for a gym, folks are going to just sell, sell, sell you. So you want to see what it's like when no one's around to sell you.

COSTELLO: Got you.

OK. Make sure the gym has what you need.

BOULTON: That's right. That's right. You know, you want to make sure that there are two dumbbells for every weight size you have. You don't want to be hunting around for something.

You also want to make sure that they have the kind of classes that you want. Do you want a spinning class? Do you want a yoga class? And you want to make sure that they have them, and also if those classes are often overbooked or full or often canceled.

COSTELLO: Yes. And usually gyms don't offer classes like early in the afternoon.

BOULTON: That's right.

COSTELLO: Which for me is not a good thing.

BOULTON: Right.

COSTELLO: Not a good thing. Look under the cardio equipment. Why?

BOULTON: It sounds bizarre, but, you know, you want to see, is this clean? Is the -- you know, is the gym clean? Are they regularly, you know, kind of tidying it up?

And you definitely don't want to go to a place where, you know, it's not clean. It's a basic -- you know, basic requirement.

COSTELLO: Yes. So if there's dust under there, that probably means the locker rooms aren't going to be very clean either.

BOULTON: That's right. And you don't even want to think about the showers.

COSTELLO: No. No, you really don't.

I wanted to ask you about this...

BOULTON: Yes.

COSTELLO: ... because when you join a gym nowadays, they offer you a personal trainer, and you get a couple of sessions for free. And then they bother the living daylights out of you.

BOULTON: That's right. You know, one of the things -- and, you know, "Men's Fitness" is a real big proponent of avoiding the personal trainer.

I'm sorry for all you personal trainers out there. Reality is that many of the personal trainers that are on the floor may not be as experienced as, you know, advertised. And that's OK. You know, they can help motivate you, and they're often there to, you know, explain sort of safety and how to do a move properly.

But the reality is that, you know, you're at the gym. Folks -- you know, you can ask your neighbor. You know, you can really keep yourself motivated. That's one of the reasons of going to a gym versus, say, having a workout system in your home.

COSTELLO: So what I'm wondering is -- because it can be quite expensive.

BOULTON: Yes, it can.

COSTELLO: And, you know, you get the first couple of sessions free. How does the gym benefit from that? Do they get a cut?

BOULTON: Well, actually, you know, they do not get a cut. But the reality is that they can begin to charge you more as time goes on. You usually have a very small window of inexpensive service, but then as you start using the personal trainer, they can start adding on fees to your monthly bill.

COSTELLO: Yes. So don't do it. Resist.

BOULTON: I wouldn't do it.

COSTELLO: Resist. Resist. Although, I've had some good personal trainers, I must say.

BOULTON: Sure.

COSTELLO: But they become too expensive.

BOULTON: Right.

COSTELLO: And then that's it.

BOULTON: That's it.

COSTELLO: Neal Boulton, thank you for joining us once again.

BOULTON: Thank you. Always good to see you.

COSTELLO: Hopefully, you'll be back soon.

BOULTON: Yes.

COSTELLO: Time now to do some exercise, Chad. Exercise of the mind.

MYERS: All right. Two questions to exercise your mind, and then two we answered yesterday.

Here you go. The questions from yesterday and the winner.

What does CAFTA stand for, C-A-F-T-A? And that is the Central America Free Trade Agreement.

And under British law, how long can police detain terror suspects? That is right now seven days.

The winner now, I have it here from North Carolina. Sean Reeves. Congratulations, Sean. The mug is in the mail.

And now the questions for today if you didn't get that mug from yesterday or couldn't get those questions. Here are a couple easier ones.

What is the word for an Islamic religious ruling? Just had that on the air about 10 minutes ago.

And what percentage of Niger is desert land?

Carol, go to CNN.com/DAYBREAK.

COSTELLO: I will, but I'm not eligible for the contest.

MYERS: Well, everyone else should.

COSTELLO: They should.

Thank you, Chad.

MYERS: You're welcome.

COSTELLO: We'll be right back.

MYERS: OK.

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COSTELLO: Chad has an update for all of you business travelers out there.

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COSTELLO: Thank you, Chad.

MYERS: You're welcome.

COSTELLO: "Now in the News," recovery teams will be back on the riverbanks today to look for a toddler thrown from an SUV during a crash in Indiana. A witness who called 911 after the accident says the dispatcher thought her call was a prank.

A major break with the White House and Christian conservatives over stem cell policy. Today's "New York Times" reports Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist plans to announce his support this morning for providing more money for embryonic stem cell research.

About 220 miles above Earth, the crew of the Shuttle Discovery has been up almost seven hours now. They've been transferring 15 tons of supplies and equipment to the space station.

From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Carol Costello, along with Chad Myers.

"AMERICAN MORNING" starts right now.

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