Return to Transcripts main page
PAULA ZAHN NOW
Captive Love; Helping Kids Overcome Cutting; Internet Site for Beauties; Tennessee Fugitives
Aired August 10, 2005 - 20:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, everyone. Glad to have you with us tonight.
Captive love, women who fall head-over-heels in love with criminals.
ZAHN (voice-over): She may have murdered to help him escape. What attracts seemingly normal women to men behind bars?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They live in their fantasy land. So, they imagine kissing them. They imagine making love to them and holding them and walking down the aisle with them. And that's enough to keep them going.
ZAHN: Women falling badly in love.
It's the most intriguing form of self-mutilation, not in some foreign land, but in your child's bedroom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I use my nails and razor, piece of glass.
ZAHN: Why does cutting make some kids feel better?
And online dating for beautiful people only. So, if you have to ask, "Am I beautiful?" you probably can't join.
ZAHN: We start tonight with a developing story, the massive manhunt for this couple, convicted burger George Hyatte and his wife, Jennifer.
Police have now found what may be the van the couple used outside a motel in Erlanger, Kentucky. That's just south of Cincinnati, Ohio, and about 200 miles north of Kingston, Tennessee, where they escaped. Police say, Tuesday morning, Jennifer Hyatte shot and killed a guard who was escorting her husband, her new husband, outside a courthouse. The couple drove off, George Hyatte still shackled, hand and foot, his wife possibly wounded.
She was a prison nurse until she was fired last year, after she and inmate George Hyatte started a love affair. They got married in May. It turns out, women fall for inmates a lot more often than you might think. And we're going to get to that part of the story in just a moment.
But, first, let's go straight to reporter Sheree Paolello of WLWT. She joins us from Erlanger, Kentucky, where that van was found late today.
Are police confirming this in fact was the van this couple used?
SHEREE PAOLELLO, WLWT REPORTER: They certainly are, Paula. They are confirming that that's the van and that the couple was here as few as just a few hours ago.
Again, we are in Erlanger, Kentucky. It's the motel right behind me here, the Econo Lodge. Federal agents surrounded this motel just two hours ago, Paula. They got a tip that apparently George and his wife, Jennifer Hyatte, were here at the Econo Lodge, that their van was here.
And, immediately, police responded. As you can imagine, they busted in the door to room 111. And we want to go ahead. And Tennessee official Mark Gwyn tells us exactly what unfolded here this afternoon and then we will fill you in on all the details.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MARK GWYN, DIRECTOR, TENNESSEE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: The motel was evacuated. Entry was made approximately 6:00 p.m. Eastern time. Unfortunately, George or Jennifer Hyatte were not inside any of the rooms of the hotel.
We believe the couple had been there. They had left just minutes -- probably minutes early prior to the entry into the rooms.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PAOLELLO: And so, the manhunt was on out here in Kentucky. Police weren't sure if they were in the area. They apparently ditched that van, the gold van that authorities had been looking for. The van has been taken into custody. Police are searching through that for evidence. Also, inside that room, we just learned that police apparently found blood inside that room.
Now, I want to tell you, Paula, we just got some new information in from some witnesses who actually talked to this couple at a gas station next door. The -- apparently, his wife was not injured. We are told that it was George whose hand was injured, and, also, that his wife, Jennifer, had dyed her hair to black.
So, they are changing their disguise. And, again, now, the manhunt continues from -- for this couple, who has apparently left northern Kentucky. And who knows where they are headed now -- back to you, Paula.
ZAHN: But, Sheree, are police confirming that those eyewitnesses are at all reliable?
PAOLELLO: Well, these witnesses -- yes, actually. We are told by police, in fact, U.S. Marshals questioned this couple. It's a cook and another worker that works at a Days Inn next door. They saw these people, apparently, last night, actually gave them information, gave them directions to, apparently, a White Castle and a Kroger nearby.
These people said, hey, we didn't even know who they were. We gave them directions. They seemed a little bit fidgety, but that was it.
Then, this afternoon, U.S. Marshals came in and said, hey, did you see these people? We're busting into a hotel next door. And they said, yes, we actually gave them directions yesterday. So, they were very startled and, of course, a little bit frightened as well to find out that they were standing very close to these possible killers.
ZAHN: Sheree Paolello, thanks so much for that late information.
We're going to go back to where it all started, Kingston, Tennessee.
That's where we find David Mattingly there.
David, there's a lot of conflicting information we have got to wade through tonight, first of all, this report that police have now told Sheree that this in fact was the van used in the escape, and then, secondly, police also confirming the accounts of eyewitnesses that Jennifer, one of the suspects, has dyed her hair black. And the wife told these eyewitnesses that she in fact was not injured. It was her husband who had been bleeding from his hand.
What are you hearing from central command there? Is this stuff credible?
DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that would come as a big surprise to the investigators here. They were very confident, speaking very candidly, that this blood in the car that they recovered here was on the driver's side, leading them to believe that it was the wife who was injured and not the husband.
The husband at the time was shackled. And they said, because he was shackled, it would be very unlikely that he would be able to drive a car, much less be in the driver's seat and moving the vehicle. So, this is information that they are probably looking at with just a little bit of surprise.
ZAHN: Let's talk a little bit more about how strategic police believe this attack was. They now think this van was placed well ahead of time to aid in the escape.
MATTINGLY: There's been a great deal of speculation about whether or not the wife had help in setting this up, because how does this one woman bring two vehicles to this town to prepare for this -- this event, where she springs her husband?
They are -- they are very clear that this was something that was in planning for a long time and that she was able to carry out fairly effectively. ZAHN: I want to bounce a report off the Associated Press from you right now. They are reporting that, in neighboring Hamilton, that the sheriff, John Cupp, had said late this afternoon that authorities know where George Hyatte is and that he is not in fact in Hamilton County. What are you hearing?
MATTINGLY: Well, immediately after that statement, the officials here from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation said that comment was irresponsible, considering how serious this investigation is and that the sheriff did not speak for this investigation.
But then, just about an hour later, we find out that there's information about the van being recovered in northern Kentucky and possible police knew that this couple might still be up there. It was extraordinary when they came out and actually said, we believe this couple is still in the area where the van was recovered in northern Kentucky.
Prior to that point, they said that they believed that they could be anywhere and they were treating this investigation as a nationwide search.
ZAHN: David, very briefly, in closing, this couple is armed and considered dangerous. What are the people in these neighboring areas saying tonight?
MATTINGLY: Well, here, there was a great deal of nervousness. We talked to a convenience store clerk who was working the night shift. She said police were checking on her every 15 minutes last night. Extra officers from other agencies were brought in here to continue looking in this area, because, again, they had no reason to believe they had left. They had no reason to believe they had gone anywhere else.
But they were looking everywhere and following up on every tip that they got, that investigation now very focused on northern Kentucky and this investigation, again, this manhunt, very energized by that focus.
ZAHN: And this investigation -- investigation moving very fast. David, we're going to come back to you at the back end of the hour for an update on this, to make sure we're on top of all the latest details. Thanks so much.
Now, the Bonnie and Clyde part of the story is only rare in its violence. I was actually surprised to find out how often women, thousands of them, fall in love with prison inmates.
Here is Dan Simon.
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Falling for a felon might seem strange, but it happens all the time and all over the United States.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
SIMON: There are the famous ones. Erik and Lyle Menendez, convicted and serving life sentences for killing their parents, both got married behind bars.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "LARRY KING LIVE")
TAMMI MENENDEZ, WIFE OF ERIK MENENDEZ: He's always there for me emotionally.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SIMON: That's Erik's wife, Tammi. She told Larry King that, despite Erik's full-time incarceration, the relationship fulfills all of her needs.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "LARRY KING LIVE")
MENENDEZ: The holding of the hands when I'm with him is -- is a big -- big thing. You wouldn't think so, but just being next to him and...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SIMON: Here is another glowing bride.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just wanted to say I'm ecstatically happy today.
SIMON: Mrs. Richard Ramirez. Yes, she married the Night Stalker, the man who terrorized Los Angeles in the mid-'80s with a string of brutal rapes and murders.
The list goes on. Serial killers John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy both had committed relationships before they were put to death. And new death row inmate Scott Peterson apparently has no shortage of women who would just love to get involved with him.
(on camera): All these relationships beg the question, why? Just what kind of woman would want to get involved with a prisoner, especially one who has no hope of getting out?
STACY KAISER, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: These are women who have intimacy issues. They don't have the ability to have a real relationship with a person face to face, day to day.
SIMON: And the one common thread, says Stacy Kaiser, a psychotherapist, is, they lack self-esteem.
KAISER: They are women that really need their egos boosted up by somebody who can tell them a good story and write a good note.
SIMON: And there's no shortage of convicts. Dozens of Web site, like meetaninmate.com, list prisoner personals looking for love. "I'm very open-minded and speak from the heart. I'm also very caring and respectful," this inmate writes.
Among the nation's nearly two million male prisoners, tens of thousands have established relationships with women on the outside. Sometimes, it leads to marriage. For example, California's San Quentin maximum security prison sets aside six days a year for weddings. Annually, about two dozen inmates tie the knot.
It's not the usual course of love, but, for a surprising number of women, it fulfills their emotional needs.
KAISER: I don't think anyone is in a position to judge anybody else. If everybody in the situation is getting their needs met and they are both happy, who are we to say it's right or wrong?
ZAHN: Dan Simon reporting for us.
A short while ago, I actually spoke with a woman who married a man on death row. Marta Glass started writing to convicted murderer Jimmy Glass while she was campaigning against the death penalty. He has since been executed.
I asked her what it was like when she met him in prison for the first time, knowing that he had killed two people.
MARTA GLASS, WIDOW OF DEATH ROW INMATE: It was scary to the point that I had never been inside a prison before.
Before I went to the prison, I called his attorney and talked to her about him for some time. I wanted to know what I was getting myself into. She told me all about him, his case, etcetera. And I went -- but I went to visit. I'm stubborn.
GLASS: And I went to visit that day and the visit went very, very well.
ZAHN: At what point did you fall in love?
GLASS: Little by little, over a period of months. It was nothing that happened instantly. He was very gentle, very sweet. He was certainly not some big muscled-up, dirty-talking -- what you would expect a prisoner to be, he was not.
ZAHN: Ultimately you and Jimmy did talk about the crimes he was going to die for.
GLASS: Yes, we did, yes. Yes.
ZAHN: Did he say much about them? GLASS: How -- how sorry he was, how -- how it made him feel. He said, on one occasion, that how could I bother -- how could I touch his hand? He had blood on his hands. He felt that way, that he had blood on his hands.
ZAHN: At what point did the two of you decide to get married?
GLASS: Oh, we had been writing and visiting for years, three, four years.
And, at some point, he would be so sad when I would get ready to leave. He would look like -- almost like he was going to cry. And I started feeling really bad when I left. So, at one point, I was getting ready to leave and I said, Jimmy, do you still want to marry me? He had asked me several times. And he said, yes. And I said, then plan us a wedding.
And he was just -- the biggest smile you ever saw, just jumping up and down like a little -- almost like a child. He was so -- seemed so happy.
ZAHN: And were you happy?
GLASS: Yes, I was. By that time, I was very happy, yes.
ZAHN: What did you get out of this relationship with Jimmy Glass that you hadn't gotten out of any previous relationship?
GLASS: Completely, absolutely, I felt loved, absolutely loved for the first time in my life.
ZAHN: Marta, the one thing that's so difficult for all of us to understand is what it was that you actually got out of the relationship. You could have continued your pen pal status and never taken the plunge and gotten married.
GLASS: By that time, I would have done anything to make Jimmy Glass happy for the little time he had left. I knew he didn't have long to live. And I wanted to make him happy.
ZAHN: And, Marta, given the depth of your love, can you understand why a woman would help her husband escape from prison?
GLASS: Yes, I can, but that's not me.
ZAHN: What misconceptions do you think the public has about why any woman would enter into a marriage with a man they knew was sitting on death row and didn't have long to live?
GLASS: You fall in love with who you fall in love with, where you meet them. That's all.
I fell in love with Jimmy Glass behind bars and in Angola, Louisiana. It just happened where it happened. It wasn't planned or plotted or any of that sort of thing. It just happened. I don't regret not a minute of it and I would do it again tomorrow.
ZAHN: Well, Marta, I know this is all deeply personal. And we appreciate you sharing your story with us tonight. Thank you very much.
GLASS: You are welcome, Paula.
ZAHN: And joining me now is someone who knows an awful lot about inmates and women who fall for them. He's the author of "Prison Groupies," Clifford Linedecker.
Clifford, you just heard Marta talk about what she described as a deep love for Jimmy Glass. She said she felt absolutely loved for the first time. And she bought into his story that he felt great remorse for the double murder he had -- convicted. Is this a typical story?
CLIFFORD LINEDECKER, AUTHOR, "PRISON GROUPIES": Yes, that's very -- excuse me -- that's very typical.
Of course, these people, when they are about to be executed, they feel a lot of remorse and they want everybody to believe that they have changed their lives and they have changed their way of thinking and living. But these people are in prison because they are violent people. They have committed violent acts. And if they are ever released from prison, they will continue to commit violent acts.
Women who have married people that have been released later, some of these killers, many of them have been murdered by their husbands. So, that's -- you know, it's very dangerous. It creates problems for the corrections people. Women smuggle in dope. They smuggle in knives; they smuggle in knives; they smuggle saws; they smuggle guns.
They land helicopters in exercise yards and things like that. There's two sides to the thing. Yes, I feel sorry for anybody who thinks that she is in love with a serial killer, a mutilation murderer, some of these people like that.
ZAHN: But you hear Marta Glass...
ZAHN: ... and you don't deny what she expressed tonight, right?
LINEDECKER: Well, that's what she believes, yes.
She has convinced herself that she is in love with this guy, that he was a naughty boy who needed to have his boo-boos kissed away. And she's going to be -- she's going to be the Florence Nightingale. She is going to make his last days happier.
ZAHN: What is interesting about Marta, Clifford, is she describes herself as an educated woman, a mature woman who certainly had other choices she could have made. Is that also typical among some of these relationships you have examined?
LINEDECKER: Oh, that's very typical. They have -- of course, they have all kinds of women, just like they have all kinds of men, in the prisons there. And, by the way, they do have male groupies, too, who chase women in prison who have committed murder and things like that.
But, yes, that's very typical.
ZAHN: So, what is it you think the public needs to understand by why these relationships, at least, if not on the rise, are taking on a more high-profile spectrum?
LINEDECKER: Well, I think -- I think these relationships are on the rise. And it's because the groupies are getting more and more attention from the media, which I have been in the media myself and I write stories about it. I wrote a book about it.
But they see that and a lot of people lead very humdrum lives. They think they have been left behind, missed out somehow on all the excitement. This is their chance to grab the golden ring and have their five minutes of fame.
ZAHN: Clifford, just need a 10-second answer to this. So, what is unfolding in Kentucky and Tennessee and that part of the country tonight doesn't surprise you at all, where you have what police are calling a Bonnie-and-Clyde sort of scenario right before our eyes?
LINEDECKER: Not at all. Women commit a lot of violent acts trying to spring their men from prison.
ZAHN: Clifford Linedecker, thanks so much for your time. Appreciate it.
LINEDECKER: Thank you.
ZAHN: Still to come tonight, an intriguing look into a disturbing teenage fad. Why would kids take razor blades and cut themselves?
ZAHN: Coming up tonight, the latest wrinkle in the dating game. There's a Web site that says it's for beautiful people only. Have you got what it takes to join? Jeanne Moos decided to give it a try.
We're going to get to that in a little bit. But, first, Erica Hill at Headline News has an update on the other top stories tonight.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Paula. I'm looking forward to that story, actually. And if they don't pick Jeanne, then they have got something wrong with them.
ZAHN: I agree. HILL: Yes.
ZAHN: Beautiful inside and out, our Jeanne Moos.
HILL: Absolutely. Absolutely.
ZAHN: And funny, too.
HILL: Hey, you know what? She has got the whole package. There you go.
ZAHN: I know you have got to morph into more serious news now, so go ahead, Erica.
HILL: I do. I do. So, we will do that right now.
Six more American troops died in an inside attack and car bombing today in Iraq, bringing the U.S. death toll to 43 so far this month. The casualties come as the U.S. military wrapped up a major push against insurgents west of Baghdad.
There are reports that airports in several states, meantime, have been running low on jet fuel supplies -- comforting, huh? -- because of high demand and more flights. Couple that with crude oil prices hitting another new high today at $65 a barrel.
Meantime firefighters near Missoula, Montana, struggling now to get a grip on wildfires that threaten a major power line. It feeds electricity to the Northwest. One fire chief says high winds have pushed the flames over fire breaks as if they weren't even there.
And check out this crater. That's where a Utah highway used to be. A truck carrying 17 tons of explosives crashed and started burning just about 60 miles south of Salt Lake City. The driver managed to wave off others before the explosion vaporized his truck. Several people, though, were injured.
Absolutely incredible, Paula, when you see the damage.
ZAHN: Pictures say it all. Erica, thanks so much. See you a little bit later on in the hour.
I want to give you a quick heads up about our next story. Some of you might find it pretty difficult to watch. But it involves a very important question. Why in the world would our children intentionally cut their skin and make themselves bleed?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I tried it. It hurt really bad. But the -- around the second or third time, I was already used to it. And there was my relief.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ZAHN: Relief? What relief? Stay with us for some eye-opening and, frankly, disturbing answers.
ZAHN: One of the more alarming things I have heard lately as a parent is that more and more children in emotional pain are turning to physical pain for relief. The experts call it self-injury. And they describe it as a deliberate destruction or alteration of body tissue without suicidal intent.
What all of that means, if you couldn't follow it, is that they bruise themselves. They burn themselves or scratch or cut themselves, any of those, as a way to managing their pain.
Now the story of two young girls who publicly tell their story of cutting themselves.
ZAHN (voice-over): Jasmine Garcia (ph) and Thea Rowan (ph) have never met, but share a common bond, the urge to cut.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Razor, piece of glass, whatever is there.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Instead of a drug addict going to their drug for their daily fix, that was my fix.
ZAHN: Jasmine and Thea aren't alone. The late Princess Diana, arguably the most famous cutter, revealed she harmed herself after her marriage fell apart. Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp, Christina Ricci all have admitted to self-mutilation.
Bands like the Goo Goo Dolls sing about it, with lyrics like:
GOO GOO DOLLS (singing): Yes, you bleed just to know you're alive.
ZAHN: And then there are the movies like "Thirteen," which actually show teens struggling with the desire to hurt themselves.
Dr. Alec Miller, the chief of adolescent psychology at New York's Montefiore Hospital, says cutting is on the rise among today's kids.
DR. ALEC MILLER, CHIEF OF ADOLESCENT PSYCHOLOGY, MONTEFIORE MEDICAL CENTER: There is this kind of in-vogue aspect of it in this day and age, which is of concern to me. For some kids, it becomes almost part of their identity.
ZAHN: Jasmine Garcia began cutting when she started high school. Her new friends told her cutting helped them cope.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I tried it. It hurt really bad. But the -- around the second or third time, I was already used to it. And there was my relief.
ZAHN: Soon, the more stress Jasmine experienced, the more often she cut. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How deep I wanted it to be, how much I wanted to cut was the only thing I felt that I had strong control over.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, so it looks like you have a five on urges to hurt yourself. OK.
ZAHN: Jasmine's therapist, Dr. Jennifer Muehlenkamp, says, for most cutters, self-harm is about emotion control.
JENNIFER MUEHLENKAMP, THERAPIST: They have this really intense, overwhelming sensation of their feelings or the emotions, anger a lot of time, sadness a lot of time, self-loathing. And they just don't know what to do with it, how to get it out. And so, the cutting, for them, allows them to get it out and to release it. And then they do end up feeling a sense of relief from it.
ZAHN: That sense of relief isn't entirely in their head. When injured, the human body releases endorphins, which act like morphine, blocking pain and producing a pleasurable sensation.
MILLER: There's a certain calming effect in their brain, which I think, is exactly what some of these kids who are feeling stressed out to the hilt, is what they're looking for.
ZAHN: Stressed out and emotionally weighed down, that's how the Rowans describe their daughter, Thea.
SUSAN ROWAN, THEA'S MOTHER: We would tell her it's OK to be angry. Have you a right to be angry at times, but she just was so easygoing. But we suspected that she was keeping a lot in.
ZAHN: Emotionally overwhelmed in ninth grade, Thea cut herself for the first time in class.
THEA ROWAN, CUTTER: I was kind of having like a mini-panic attack and then, I realized that I've been scratching my hip and it's bleeding and it kind of felt good, in a twisted way.
ZAHN: Cutting was Thea's secret habit until her mom saw the marks.
S. ROWAN: I guess her shirt must have ridden up and I just noticed marks that we -- you wouldn't usually find marks like that on your hip.
ZAHN: Both Thea and Jasmine were enrolled in Dialectical Behavior Therapy or DBT, what experts like Dr. Miller believe is the most effective treatment for cutters.
MILLER: So, we teach awareness skills, emotion regulation skills, something called distress tolerance skills. What do you do in a crisis so you don't make the problem worse, so you don't have to cut?
ZAHN: Their scars may have heeled, but both girls admit changing the behavior has been difficult.
T. ROWAN: Cutting is a symptom of what I'm feeling. So, for the cutting to stop, the original feelings have to stop.
GARCIA: It's an addiction and you don't grow out of an addiction. You can go cold turkey, but it's hard.
ZAHN: And I also spoke with Jasmine and Thea earlier and asked them to try to explain to all of us exactly how they were feeling when they reached for a razor blade.
T. ROWAN: Any time that I cut, it would be either I wasn't feeling enough. I was feeling kind of numb or I was feeling too much and I didn't know how to handle it. The first time I did it, I was overwhelmed with emotion.
ZAHN: Now, help me to understand. When you take a razor and you take it to your skin and you take a chunk of skin out, how that makes you feel better. Doesn't it hurt?
T. ROWAN: You know what, as you're cutting, the only thing that hurts is mental pain. I mean, if you are going so far to hurt yourself for purpose it doesn't hurt the way it would hurt somebody else and it was just -- it was relieving. It wasn't painful.
ZAHN: But physically you felt a sense of relaxation?
GARCIA: Yes. It was like if I went into my own world and I didn't see what was going on until I kind of woke up, maybe a minute- and-a-half later, to see what was going on. And then, I just clean it up and keep going.
ZAHN: Describe to me how you would do it. Where would you be. How long would it take?
T. ROWAN: You could be anywhere with any objects. I did it at school, at home. If I was out somewhere and I just didn't know how to handle however I was feeling, I would just go into the bathroom and do it.
GARCIA: I would cut with razor blades and I would cut on my arm or my hips and I would unscrew sharpeners to get the blade so it would be really small, so no one would be able to see it. So, I could slide it in my pocket. I could put it in the battery of my cell phone. I just found any way so that people wouldn't notice what I was doing.
ZAHN: Was there ever a point where you cut more deeply than you wanted and you kind of freaked out, because you saw what was flowing out of there?
GARCIA: Yes, I saw the blood and it wouldn't stop. Usually it would just go and stop. It wasn't stopping and it stained my clothing that I just hurried up and I threw away, so that no one would see.
ZAHN: At one point you were cutting three times a day.
T. ROWAN: Yes.
ZAHN: And when you were doing it that frequently, what kind of objects did you do it with?
T. ROWAN: Well, either a razor, a pocket knife. If there was a shard of glass, I -- it could have been anything, but most commonly it was a pocket knife that I had.
ZAHN: And where would you cut? Would you do it at home or at school?
GARCIA: I would do it in my room or if I had an argument at school, I'd run to the bathroom, lock myself into a stall and cut.
ZAHN: It's been almost a year, Jasmine, since you've cut yourself. Are you still tempted to cut?
GARCIA: I still have urges, but I know that there are different ways to deal with my anger or frustration.
ZAHN: What then can you substitute for the same kind of release that you're looking for? Is there anything else you found?
GARCIA: Yes. If I wanted to cut, I would take a cube of ice and I just hold it in the palm of my hand.
ZAHN: And let it melt?
GARCIA: Yes. Just let it melt in my hand.
ZAHN: And that sensation will help kill the urge.
GARCIA: Yes. Yes.
ZAHN: Now, you haven't cut yourself in four months, Thea.
T. ROWAN: Yes. I guess so.
ZAHN: Do you still have the urge to cut?
T. ROWAN: Yes, I do and it's tough, but I have tried the ice trick.
ZAHN: Does that work for you?
T. ROWAN: It does work, because it hurts after a while.
ZAHN: So, do you still have a pocket knife in your room? T. ROWAN: Well, no, I don't. My mom doesn't let me have a pocket knife in my room, but I'm allowed to shave my legs. I'm allowed to keep a razor in the shower.
ZAHN: Thea, what do you want kids out there to know who are tempted to try this?
T. ROWAN: That it's not worth it and like any other addiction, it's hard to stop and it's easy to get hooked, but it's also easy to be curious about it. But you don't want to get hooked on it.
ZAHN: Do you think there will ever be a time in your life where either one of you won't be tempted to cut?
GARCIA: I would hope so.
ZAHN: I think I'll get there at some point.
ZAHN: Well, you've traveled a very long and impressive road.
T. ROWAN: Thank you.
GARCIA: Thank you.
ZAHN: Thank you so much for being so honest. I know it's not easy to relive a lot of that pain. Appreciate both of you being here.
ZAHN: Now, there are some things to look out for if you are afraid your children may be hurting themselves: Wearing long sleeves or pants in hot weather, covering wrists with bracelets or rubber bands, being more self-conscious about their bodies, also signs of depression, anxiety or feelings of shame.
Coming up, a story about some kids who are actually doing the right thing. It's something we all should probably be doing.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
I feel great, because my pants are getting looser and my shirts are getting looser.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ZAHN: How did she do? You might be surprised, when we continue our series on weight loss camp. Don't go away.
ZAHN: We continue to follow two teenagers this summer as they both go through a vary dramatic chapter in their lives. They're both overweight, both determined to change their lives by going to a weight-loss camp where they go through the culture shock of mandatory exercise and rigidly limited meals. Seana tells us she's been comforted by being around other overweight kids for the very first time in her life. And then, we've also seen Nathan, the other teen we're following, struggle with homesickness.
Tonight, as you'll see, Nathan's next challenge is literally climbing up a mountain. Here's medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have your climbing buddy's life in your hands. So, this is serious stuff. OK?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A little too serious for Nathan Ruffin (ph). Just two weeks ago almost overwhelmed by home sickness, Nathan was on the verge of leaving camp. Despite all his pleas, his mother forced him to stay and now they want him to do this?
NATHAN RUFFIN, WEIGHT-LOSS CAMP MEMBER: I'm not going to go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going to try it.
COHEN: His friends try to convince him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once you get up past this little bit, it's easy. You fly up like I did.
COHEN: But it doesn't work.
RUFFIN: I don't know. I'm nervous. I'm going to let Neal go first.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why has that been go ahead, Neal? Why not go ahead, Nathan?
RUFFIN: I don't know. I've got to think about it some more.
COHEN: So, what does all of this have to do with losing weight? Everything. Kids like Nathan got heavy in the first place because they used food as a crutch; as a coping mechanism.
When the going gets tough, they eat. The lesson here for Nathan at Well Spring Adventure Camp in the rugged mountains of North Carolina: How to be scared out of your mind and deal with it without relying on food.
RUFFIN: It's OK.
COHEN: So, will Nathan conquer his fears? Will he scale this mountain?
Seana Rubeck (ph), the other camper we're following this summer, has climbed her own mountain.
(on camera): Did you ever think about leaving? SEANA RUBECK, WEIGHT-LOSS CAMP MEMBER: I thought about it all the time. You know, like I wanted to leave, but I wasn't -- I didn't want to at the same time, because this is where I want to be. You know, I'm doing this for myself.
COHEN (voice-over): She started out determined, but after about a week, Seana began to miss her parents terribly. They've been writing her letters.
RUBECK: I'm so proud of you Seana, I can't believe what you're doing for yourself at such a young age. You're almost halfway through your experience, Seana. I'm very proud of you.
COHEN: But they weren't right here to help her and her usual comfort foods ice cream, pizza, French fries, also not available.
COHEN (on camera): If you were at home and having a really bad day, how would you deal with that really bad day?
RUBECK: I would gorge and I would just go to the fridge and start eating or I'd just sit on my butt and do nothing.
COHEN: And now how do you deal with a really bad day?
RUBECK: I talk to people about it and you know, they cheer you up like that. It's really amazing, because we're all here for the same reason and they know what you're going through.
COHEN: It's been tough, but talking instead of eating has paid off. At the camp's weekly ceremony, Seana reaches the next level.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you willing to commit to the responsibilities of being a hunter?
RUBECK: Yes, I am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations.
COHEN: In 14 days, Seana's lost 13 pounds.
(on camera): Two hundred and thirty-nine.
RUBECK: Two hundred and thirty-nine.
COHEN: To 226
COHEN: In two weeks?
COHEN: And how do you feel?
RUBECK: I feel great, because my pants are getting looser and my shirts are getting looser.
COHEN (voice-over): Seana has done more than just lose weight, she's gained confidence.
RUBECK: Before, I really didn't like mirrors. I didn't like what was looking back at me and now, I love to look in the mirror now, because I really think I'm pretty.
COHEN: Meanwhile, back at the base of the mountain, Nathan still doesn't know what to do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before I knew it, I was already up at the top.
COHEN: Nathan decides he can't make it to the top like his friend David, but he does resolve to try to go up at least part of the way.
RUFFIN: You see where that rock is with the green like, mold stuff sticking out right there, that's my goal for right now. I think I can do it. Actually, I know I can do it. I have to do it.
COHEN: At first.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have to use all the your power to walk backward.
RUFFIN: Can you make it tighter?
COHEN: Then he gets it. But then...
RUFFIN: I'm about to get down. Really.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nathan, where did you set your goal to get to?
COHEN: The camp director reminds him that he'd set a goal for himself and he's not even close. So, Nathan who never thought he could do it climbs and he climbs. He ends up going past his original goal and making it to the top.
RUFFIN: Am I doing all right? OK.
COHEN: Quite a journey for a young man who's only desire two weeks ago, was to go back home.
RUFFIN: Hey, I may do this again.
ZAHN: And I bet he will. Elizabeth Cohen reporting for us.
Coming up, we found a Web site you've just got to see to believe. It's a dating service, but it's exclusively for the most beautiful in the country. Do you qualify? Well, Jeanne Moos wanted to see if she was.
ZAHN: And we're back at about 12 minutes before the hour. Time for another update of the top stories from Erica Hill at "HEADLINE NEWS."
ERICA HILL, "HEADLINE NEWS": Thanks, Paula.
Iran has restarted its nuclear enrichment program. It happened today with a warning to the West. An Iranian official says his country is determined to produce nuclear energy and if someone tries to stop that, everyone will lose. Some observers see it as a warning about a possible disruption of Iranian oil supplies to the West.
More than half the companies that participated in the U.N.'s oil for food program with Iraq paid bribes or kick-backs to Saddam Hussein's government. That comes to us from an independent investigation led by former Treasury Secretary Paul Volcker.
More than 100,000 Jews streamed toward Jerusalem's western wall today, to pray against the withdrawal of the Israeli settlements from Gaza.
And here's a look at what $100 million will soon buy you: A quick trip around the moon and back aboard a Russian Soyuz space vehicle, just like this one. The same company that sold a trip into Earth's orbit for 20 million is offering the moon trip for two. It be a first for private space tourism and that will likely go to somebody with a lot of bucks. Paula, that's the latest of headlines. We'll hand it back to you.
ZAHN: Big ticket ride, Erica. Thanks so much. Coming up next, Jeanne Moos has an audition to pass. We know Jeanne is already bright, but stay with us to see if she or you can get into a dating Web site that says it's only for beautiful people.
ZAHN: All right. If you are looking for love, listen up. There's a brand new Web site that promises to match you with only the most beautiful people in the country. In fact, they won't let you in if you aren't so-called beautiful enough. Jeanne Moos took that as a challenge.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): All you beautiful people, you probably think this Web site is about you. Maybe both eyes, if you think you belong on an Internet dating service called beautifulpeople.net.
(on camera): Look at that, how am I supposed to compete with that?
(voice-over): Only beautiful people are allowed on, chosen by the beautiful people who are already members. Some, so perfect they are wash board abs inspire laughter. Only one in ten get in. We wondered what does it take to join the beautiful people.
(on camera): What we need is a guinea pig, not him, me.
(voice-over): In a fit of journalistic excess, I volunteered. First stop, the makeup room, where they sprayed every pore.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And maybe some false eyelashes?
MOOS (on camera): No. We're not going that far.
(voice-over): A beautiful photo is a must if you want to be among the beautiful people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good. I like that little head tilt.
MOOS: Datingheadshots.com specializes in taking pictures that look good on Internet sites. Photo finished, it was time to fill in the application with a little help from my colleagues.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are going to lie.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're going to lie on this one, too.
MOOS (on camera): We are?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
MOOS: Select body type. Oh, oh. Slim, average, toned, athletic, muscular, cuddly or ample.
(voice-over): Next, we had to write a profile.
(on camera): Outgoing but reclusive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, that's not going to work.
MOOS (voice-over): We opted for over the top. Basically I'm here because I'm hot.
(on camera): Take my temperature.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
(voice-over): We then had to choose from dozens of photos.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's too sensitive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm too sexy for my whatever.
MOOS: Into cyberspace I went stacked up against cleavage and chiseled bodies and exposed, exposed, exposed flesh. Guys vote on female applicants. Women vote on men.
GREG HODGE, WWW.BEAUTIFULPEOPLE.NET: Is it elitist? Yes it is, because our members want it to be. Is it lookers? Yes, it is, because our members want it to be. Is it PC? No it's not, but it's honest.
MOOS: And did I mention, you have to pick a user name? Mine was feastyoureyes.
For three days, they feasted. You can check out your rating in progress on a bar graph.
Remember "take my temperature?"
(on camera): Mmm,mm. Temperature is plummeting.
(voice-over): Though nine out of ten are rejects. That didn't soften the sting of the final e-mail. The members of beautiful people did not find your profile attractive enough, but a producer up in showbiz got in.
AMY SCHULMAN, CNN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT: I do think it's kind of rude -- it is mean. It's mean. And I do feel bad.
MOOS: Beautiful people have feelings, too.
(on camera): How old are you?
SCHULMAN: I'm 27-and-a-half.
MOOS (voice-over): She has gotten e-mails from two guys and even a woman who called her absolutely stunning and offered to exchange numbers.
So, what's a rejected guinea pig to do? Maybe start my own Web site, Beautifulguineapigs.com.
Dark-haired beauty with chestnut highlights, soft brown eyes, loves heavy petting.
ZAHN: Oh, we know she could do better than that, Jeanne Moos. And she really doesn't need to feel too depressed about what happened.
In Denmark's version of the Web site, one woman actually applied 50 times before she finally was accepted.
In just a minute, we're going to get another update on that search for that Tennessee inmate and his wife. Their van turned up near Cincinnati. But Where are the fugitives at this hour?
ZAHN: Before we go tonight, the very latest on tonight's developing story. The hunt for Tennessee convict George Hyatte and his wife Jennifer has now moved to Erlanger, Kentucky. That is just south of Cincinnati, Ohio. More than 200 miles north of Kingston, Tennessee where they somehow managed to escape during a deadly courthouse shoot-out yesterday.
Police are now confirming that they have, in fact, found the van they think the couple had been driving, after switching from another SUV. IT was parked outside a motel.
They searched the couple's room -- I guess to no one's surprise, they weren't there. The Associated Press is now reporting a small amount of blood was found in that room.
David Mattingly joins me now from Kingston, Tennessee where this all started. And where a command center is set up. Do investigators think they're any closer to capturing this couple?
DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Shortly spoken, yes, Paula, They do. Because now they are able to focus this search. Prior to this discovery they were saying publicly they were operating under the assumption this couple could be anywhere. So, they were acting on tips all across Tennessee and surrounding states.
Now that they are able to focus this investigation, this man hunt has become energized. They believe that the couple is possibly still in that area of the hotel in northern Kentucky. So they are hopeful that this development will give them the break they have been looking for.
ZAHN: Some very shrewd movements on the part of George Hyatte and his new bride.
David Mattingly, thanks so much for the update. I know you will be on the story throughout the night for CNN.
And that wraps it up for all of us here tonight. Thanks so much for being with us. We'll be back, same time, same place tomorrow night. We'll hope you'll join us then. Prime-time continues right now with "LARRY KING LIVE."
TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com