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President Talks With Troops Via Video Link; Southern Russia Rebellion; Flooding In The Northeast; School Collapsed In Earthquake Killing 162 Students

Aired October 13, 2005 - 10:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: All right. That was the president of the United States addressing some troops of the 42nd infantry division up in Tikrit in northwest of Baghdad in Iraq, getting some encouraging words from the troops out there as to how election day may very well go on the referendum of the potential constitution. That election day on Saturday.
I'm Carol Lin at the CNN Center in Atlanta. Daryn Kagan has the day off.

Also other decisions being made in Washington, the orders carried out in Iraq. But during this past hour, as you saw, the electronic bridge narrowed that chasm between the troops and their commander in chief. We have several reporters following President Bush's teleconference with U.S. troops in Tikrit. We have CNN's Aneesh Raman, who's in the Iraqi capital, Senior Pentagon Correspondent Jamie McIntyre at his post, and National Correspondent Bob Franken at the White House.

Bob, let's begin with you.

The president having a pretty good teleconference with the troops out there. Getting a lot of encouraging news from them.

BOB FRANKEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, should I field this question to Jamie McIntyre?

Well, before I do, I wanted to talk about this as a pep talk. The president delivering one, getting one from the members of the 42nd division on the ground near Tikrit, along with the Sergeant Major Achille of the Iraq security forces who probable had the highlight of this entire event when he said to the president, I like you. The other members of that group made it clear they did, too.

Certainly had nothing but positive words to say to their commander in chief. And the president, in his opening remarks, talked about the elections in Iraq, the election or referendum on this constitution which is considered so vital as being something that is now in good hands. He said that it is part of a political strategy. A political strategy to defeat, using his words, the backward dark philosophy with one that is hopeful.

And we should point out that this appearance is also probably to be considered part of a political strategy to try and shore up dwindling support in the United States from the entire Iraq venture. Carol.

LIN: Bob Franken live at the White House.

All right, Jamie, take it away from the Pentagon.

How is this group chosen in order to brief the president?

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they picked obviously, they picked a group of 10 representatives soldiers and, you know, obviously this format was not a format for a frank exchange of views. This wasn't a gripe session for the soldiers. The president, of course, laid out what everyone knows is the strategy for Iraqi forces to begin to take the lead. He called it a historic mission, laying the foundation for peace.

And he heard back from the troops, the sort of positive reports that they're hoping are going to be the case. That the Iraqs had been planning this the security for this upcoming election, unlike the January election when basically the United States had to take the lead. They talked about the number of Iraqi battalions and also brigades that are operating almost independently, although with some U.S. help. And again, that is seen as the key to moving ahead and beginning to get a handle on this insurgency is for Iraq to have a viable government and a viable military.

So what you saw there was basically I mean, obviously, the troops had rehearsed their talking points, they handed off the microphone to each other so each one could make a different point. It's all on the same page as what the Pentagon hopes is going to be the strategy for wrapping things up in Iraq eventually. And that the president, again, began his remarks to the troops saying that there was a clear strategy and that eventually, he said, people will look back and be thankful that the United States did not lose its will. And that was his message to the troops. And, of course, he heard back from the troops basically exactly what the Pentagon hopes to hear, that the Iraqi forces are stepping up to the plate.

Carol.

LIN: All right, Jamie, thank you. Jamie McIntyre live from the Pentagon.

Let's go to Baghdad and get the reaction there. CNN's Aneesh Raman is there right now.

Aneesh, an optimistic picture of Iraqis going to the polls in big numbers come this Saturday. What's the view from Baghdad?

ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, no doubt an important day on Saturday, the constitutional referendum, Carol. Officials have always said that there's no military solution to Iraq, it has to be a political one. And towards that end, we do see some progress in the numbers. Some 15.5 million Iraqis are registered to vote. That is up since January, largely due to an increase in Sunni participation. The Sunnis boycotted the elections in January. Their political participation is seen as key to bringing stability into Iraq. Some 6,000 polling stations will be available throughout the country on Saturday.

But the document itself, the constitution, is proving to be divisive among the communities. The Shia/Kurd coalition has pushed for federalism, powerful regional governments, to be worded in the draft document. The Sunni's are viscerally against that. They want a powerful central government.

And we saw an agreement just yesterday between the Shia/Kurd coalition and one major Sunni party, the biggest one in Iraq. Clearly a political success. But the agreement, while it has a number of specific amendments, also created a mechanism so that even if this constitution passes on Saturday, Carol, another constitutional referendum will likely come about next year. The draft document maintains itself as a working document. The new government that would come in mid-December would have the authority to create a constitutional committee that could revamp any or all of the constitution and put it forward in a referendum next year.

So whether this constitution passes or fails on Saturday, according to this agreement, it is likely to go before the Iraqi people again next year and that is raising huge questions about whether Iraqis will risk their lives, go to the polling stations on Saturday for a document that they'll have to vote again on next year. But there is sign of success in the numbers.

What we're going to wait to see is how many Iraqis turn out and by what margin this either passes or fails. If it passes by a slim margin, despite Sunni objection, that could be catastrophic for the political scenario here.

LIN: Aneesh Raman, thank you very much, live from Baghdad.

And my thanks also to Jamie McIntyre at the Pentagon and Bob Franken at the White House.

Well, less than a week from now, Saddam Hussein's trial is scheduled to get underway in Baghdad's heavily guarded green zone. The Iraqi special tribunal will prosecute a little known case in hopes of securing a quick conviction against the former Iraqi dictator. The trial focuses on a 1982 massacre in a heavily Shiite town. More than 140 people were executed. Hundreds more were tortured and imprisoned. Prosecutors are hoping for a death sentence that would negate the need for a more comprehensive trial that could potentially take years and fuel the insurgency.

Also news to report out of Southern Russia this morning. Police say they have repelled most of what they call guerilla attacks on government facilities. One official says about 20 of the attackers have been killed and there are reports of Russian police killed as well. Officials also say there are still hot beds of conflict, including a standoff at a police station where hostages are being held. CNN's Ryan Chilcote is our pointman on this developing story. He's here with the very latest.

You covered the region on a regular basis. In fact, you covered the massacre of schoolchildren in nearby Beslan. What is happening right now?

RYAN CHILCOTE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, what the Russian force are saying right now is that, indeed, the fighting has subsided in the southern Russian city of Nalchik. It's actually quite close to Beslan, interestingly.

They say that there are two pockets right now of resistance inside that city. One at, as you said, a police station. They said there are about seven militants still holed up in that police station. The other place, a store, several militants holed up inside of a store.

They say they are chasing the remaining militants throughout the city and that they're scattered and that some of them appear to have left the city. A very different picture from when this began about nine hours ago. It was 9:00 in the morning in this normally quiet, southern Russian city. That is where Russian officials now say about 80 to 100 of these militants who they say are pro-Chechen militants, Islamic extremists, attacked simultaneously several different buildings in Nalchik. They attacked police stations, government buildings, even the airport, a gun store.

Russian forces say that they, over the course of the day, killed about two dozen of these militants. They say they've also detained a dozen of them. They are also reporting that about 12 civilians have been killed and that 12 policemen have been killed in that attack.

LIN: Ryan, what is this about? I mean, what is this really about? Bring this home to the American audience. What's at stake here?

CHILCOTE: Right next to all of this is the Russian region of Chechnya where Chechen rebels have been battling Russian forces for more than a decade. What we have seen over the last three or four years is that conflict change from a conflict that was just about separatism, was about seeing an independent Chechen state.

LIN: And now?

CHILCOTE: And now it's increasingly about religion, about Islamic fundamentalism in some cases and we're seeing this conflict that used to be pretty much contained within Chechnya, we're seeing it spread throughout the entire region of southern Russia.

LIN: Right. And something that President Putin has called his own war on terror . . .

CHILCOTE: Exactly.

LIN: To justify tactics in the region.

CHILCOTE: Exactly. LIN: Ryan, thank you very much. I know you're following this developing story over at the international desk and it's good to have you in town to talk about it.

CHILCOTE: Thanks a lot, Carol.

LIN: We'll see you in the next hour.

In the meantime, the northeast is well, the fall is supposed to be beautiful there, but right now eight straight days of rain causing all kinds of problems. And it's not over yet. We are live from the drenched area.

And also ahead, before New Orleans can be rebuilt, much of it has to be torn down. I'm going to be talking with a former city planner about the question of race in the city's recovery.

And 150 students, their lives taken away in an instant. Returning to the scene of a school collapsed in Pakistan.

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LIN: Take a look at this. Imagine if this was your home. Days of rain in the northeast have made things downright dangerous for some. Floods killed three people in New Hampshire and others had to evacuate. In New Jersey, heavy rains have slowed air and road traffic. Now with more on the situation in that state, we turn to reporter Tony Caputo with News 12 New Jersey. He's in Lodi right now.

Tony.

TONY CAPUTO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we certainly have some good news. Waters finally receding here in Lodi, including here on North Main Street. I have to tell you, I can easily walk out into the street now. It's still closed, but the water's gone. Last night it was up to where I am now and down the road there you can see it's finally starting to clear out, but all the cones have been removed.

I'll bring you over to this sewer grate here. It was only about 90 minutes ago or so when the water was up to the county bergenmarker (ph) here. It's below the grate now. So, obviously, finally starting to recede.

And because of that, we see some signs of life here as well. Some of the kids and families returning. They had to evacuate last night because of the high water coming out of the Saddle River (ph), which is basically just to your viewing right. I'll take you to this apartment complex here as well. This is where most of them live. They were all asked to get out of the complex last night once that water started riding.

This parking lot, again, about 90 minutes ago was completely covered in water. But this is certainly good news for folks here. Finally starting to reseed. You can see the rushing water in the back there from the Saddle River. That is starting to kind of make its way back to normal. But the big concern right now is a couple of more inches of rain expected in this area tonight and perhaps more rain into the weekend. So we'll certainly be keeping an eye on that for you.

One final note, we'll turn to our right here, get photo journalist Joe Carusso (ph) to pan over to this gentlemen wrapping up a hose. They had to pump out this basement. Six feet of water for the second time this week today. And they just finished up. That's 12 feet of water, folks, out of the same basement twice in one week here in Lodi, Bergan (ph) County, New Jersey.

And folks have basically had enough, Carol. They're hoping mother nature will soon cooperate and kind of dry things up. You know it's funny, it hasn't rained here in New Jersey all supper, but now it won't stop.

LIN: Yes.

CAPUTO: (INAUDIBLE) Lodi, Bergan County, New Jersey. Tony Caputo for CNN.

Back to you.

LIN: Clearly, when it rains it pours. Tony, thank you.

Let's go to Dave Hennen in the weather center.

Dave, it looks like that guy might be pumping his basement again with more rain coming.

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LIN: In the meantime, the numbers, they're mind-boggling. Thousands are dead, millions hopeless following that powerful earthquake in South Asia. The government has just announce how it plans to help victims and prevent future tragedies.

And alarming news about bird flu. It is spreading, folks.

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LIN: Welcome back.

Checking now the latest developments following the South Asian earthquake.

Pakistan will set up a tent village for thousands of the homeless. Officials acknowledge that not all the devastated areas have been reached and settlements are sped out. The Pakistani cabinet wants to renew the building code and construction regulations. The aim is to make changes to prevent similar widespread destruction in the future. Now at least 23,000 people were killed in Saturday's earthquake. Some officials say the death toll could be thousands more. In the meantime, a school in Northern Pakistan has become sort of a memorial after the earthquake. More than 150 students were killed when their building collapsed. And now the surviving student comes back to the site to take away what they can. CNN Senior International Correspondent Satinder Bindra has that story.

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SATINDER BINDRA, CNN CORRESPONDENT, (voice-over): Five days after the earthquake, 11-year-old Ratina Shah comes back to her school. She's missing her friends and says she wants to find their books so she can keep their memory alive.

"I've come back to express my sorrow for all my friends who died here, she says. "I feel very sad."

One-hundred and 63 three students died here when their school collapsed on them. Their scattered books and bags suggest they barely had time to react or get away. Six hundred students survived. Most say they managed to climb out through small openings in the rubble. As they now come back to check out what remains of their school, many recall those horrific moments when there world collapsed around them.

"Most of my friends were yelling help, help, help," she says. By the time people arrived their cries had fallen silent.

By midday Wednesday, heavy earth-moving equipment finally arrives to try to find survivors. When this machine's operator takes a break, a small army of volunteers deploys its own means of trying to clear the rubble. They don't want to waste a moment.

Just a few feet away, Nastratali Zaman, too, has come to grieve. Her youngest daughter, 12-year-old Madia (ph), died here. "What I can tell you," she says, "I've suffered the same fate as so many others."

It's still not clear when or if this school will ever be rebuilt. Survivor Ratina Shah isn't thinking that far ahead. She and many other students say they're too traumatized to study here.

"I'm just wondering what wrong we did," she says. "Why did God do this to us? Why did he have to take so many children away?" It's a thought that's causing tremendous emotional anguish in this tiny hillside community.

As the sun dips over the horizon, an eerie silence sets in across this school.

(on camera): All the volunteers who had been working here through the day have packed up their shovels and gone home. They say it might now be to late to find any children alive.

Satinder Bindra, CNN, Garihabibullah, Northern Pakistan.

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LIN: Health officials have confirmed fears in Turkey: the type of bird flu dangerous to humans has been found in that country and probably Romania. Now, if confirmed in Romania, it would be the first proof of the deadly strain reaching Europe. It killed more than 60 people in Asia since 2003. The European Union is now saying authorities must prepare for the risk of a pandemic that could kill millions of people.

And earlier this hour, President Bush wrapped up his electronic visit with some U.S. troops in Tikrit, Iraq. The troops appearing the video teleconference scene are helping to secure Iraqi polling sites before Saturday's vote on the constitution. Mr. Bush alluded to the risk of rising insurgent attacks, saying terrorists realize a free Iraq will doom their efforts.

There are apparently new legal concerns for the Senate's majority leader. "The Washington Post" is reporting that Bill Frist has been subpoenaed turnover over personal papers in a probe of possible insider trading. Now, at issue: the Tennessee Republican's sale of family-related stock just before a profit report sent its value tumbling.

Also, sources tell CNN that the Bush administration will formally name CIA director Porter Goss as the manager of all U.S. human intelligence gathering operations. That announcement is expected later today. The oversight is intended to restore some of the clout the CIA lost under congressionally-mandated reforms.

And how here's something to think about, as well: the amount of debris that has to be cleaned up in and around New Orleans. It amounts to more than 14 times that from the World Trade Center attacks. So straight ahead, the mess Katrina left behind and how crews are taking on the task.

Meanwhile, the major -- the majority of New Orleans gets an earful from an evacuee. What she had to say.

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LIN: Turning now New Orleans. Now more than six weeks after Hurricane Katrina hit, today the city's mayor will visit evacuees staying at shelters in Baton Rouge and Lafayette, Louisiana. He's also expected to visit the morgue in Saint Gabriel.

Now, the frustration could be seen and heard when Mayor Ray Nagin visited a shelter in Shreveport Wednesday. Listen to this exchange.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to go home. I want to help the people of New Orleans. But I can't do it if you're going to give us all these false pretense. We want everything to just come to the table. It's people like us that's going to make the city flourish, not promises or false hopes.

MAYOR RAY NAGIN, NEW ORLEANS: That's what we're trying to do.

(END VIDEO CLIP) LIN: So the city and state officials are going to be meeting today to try to make plans for evacuee voting in the mayoral election that's coming up. That's one of the things that might be on the mayor's mind.

We also want to talk about the future of New Orleans' Ninth Ward. Some 30,000 to 70,000 homes in New Orleans alone are so damaged they may have to be torn down, and a majority of them are in places like the Ninth Ward, a very poor, black neighborhood. So we want to find out what's at stake here.

Kristina Ford was New Orleans' director of city planning for seven years. She is now a professor of environmental studies at Bowdoin College in Brunswick, Maine, and she joins me now on the telephone.

Christina, it's good to have you.

KRISTINA FORD, FMR. NEW ORLEANS CITY PLANNER: Thank you. Good morning.

LIN: First of all, the 30,000 to 70,000 homes. I mean, we may be talking about the entire Ninth Ward neighborhood. Do you think because of the damage that a neighborhood like this should be torn down and start anew?

FORD: Well, if there's that much damage, then it probably should be torn down. I think that none of us know, because we haven't seen any reports, about what exactly is left. And if it is true that 30,000 to 70,000 houses have to be torn down, are they all in one area, are there some that are left? And so forth.

So I think that the first place that any planner would say that you have to start is figure out what you have, and not in some way that would replicate, say, urban renewal of the 1950s -- go in and unthinkingly clear a lot of land when we didn't really need to.

LIN: Well, what's at stake here? Because there are people who have raised the question of race. That people, developers, will go in, take this property, tear down these houses, build something that is completely different than what the original residents need. They need affordable housing.

FORD: Well, I think the real issue there is that developers -- we need developers, because they're going to have to rebuild New Orleans. It's who they rebuild it for that's important, as you say very correctly. New Orleans relies on the very people who we heard speaking a moment ago from Shreveport, speaking to the mayor. The reason the city flourishes is that we have the people who used to live in the Ninth Ward.

And one thing that has to happen in rebuilding it, it can't be rebuilt the way it was so that they are, once again, vulnerable to such a horrible event. But that means that either we have to make more provisions, raise the land, put in better levees, whatever it takes to make that particular place safer. Or maybe we have to put in fill and bring the whole level of the area up. Or -- and this is probably the most difficult to contemplate, place, but in some ways, the easiest choice -- would be to find parts of the city that are high. And there are plenty of them.

LIN: And move an entire community, is what you're saying.

FORD: Move a whole community, because people there have such ties with each other that you can hold together. New Orleans is really bound by cousins and families, people who knew each other in the same neighborhood. I've been reading articles in the paper about how they want to be together.

LIN: Right.

FORD: And they certainly don't want to be together back in the Ninth Ward vulnerable again.

LIN: Kristina, what would you do if you were city planner?

FORD: Well, first of all, I would figure out what I have there.

LIN: Let's say you have nothing. Let's say the Ninth Ward, which was completely flooded. Everything is damaged, mildewed, you walk along the floorboards and you fall through.

FORD: Well, the first thing I would do is figure out is what is feasible in rebuilding it to make it less vulnerable, and that's a question engineers can answer. It's a combination...

LIN: But you've been there. How realistic is that?

FORD: I have no idea, I'm not an engineer. The fact is I've lived in the French Quarter. The French Quarter is up high. It's pretty close to the river. I think it's certainly conceivable that the land can be filled in.

LIN: Kristina, how much, if at all, do you think race will be a factor in the decision making, given that this is a predominantly African-American, poor neighborhood?

FORD: Well, I think that race is a word that covers a whole bunch of things. I mean, the majority of the population in the city of New Orleans was black, and I think that the mayor's elections, that will be held in February, should truly try hard to get the same people voting who have voted in the past, and that they can make the decision, and if that's true, then most of the people who vote will be black, because they have always been.

LIN: All right, Kristina Ford, we'll see what happens. Thank you very much.

FORD: Sure. Bye-bye.

LIN: Kristina Ford, who was the city planner there in New Orleans. A big task ahead for that city. Well, Louisiana's attorney general is investigating allegations of mercy killings in the dark days after Hurricane Katrina hit. The probe centers on Memorial Medical Center in New Orleans at the time when patients were waiting to be evacuated. We look into these allegations of euthanasia in an exclusive CNN report. That is coming up in the next hour of CNN LIVE TODAY.

In the meantime, straight ahead this hour, the warning is out, beware of the bird flu, but did you realize that one form of bird flu has already been in the United States just a few years ago. The damage it caused and how it affected you when CNN LIVE TODAY returns.

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LIN: Earlier this hour, we told you about health officials confirming a lethal strain of bird flu in Turkey, and possibly Romania. European Union officials responded by urging nations to take immediate precautions against a pandemic that could kill millions of people around the world. So what are the precautions right here in the United States? Well, we sent CNN's Jason Carroll to find out.

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JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Visitors heading to this part of Maryland's Eastern Shore might expect to see plenty of chickens. But they won't, because all of the chickens are kept far away from the public's eyes and germs. Poultry is a $500-million-a- year industry in Delmarva.

That's what this farming region of Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia is called. What outsiders will see are signs like this: "Keep out. Keep our chickens disease-free."

JENNY RHODES, DEERFIELD FARM: A lot of security is just being careful of what we do.

CARROLL: Biosecurity? Jenny Rhodes isn't the only farmer talking about it. Mark Eck is, too.

MARK ECK, MAE-VUE FARM: We look at biosecurity every day, just like, now, with the U.S., with the threat of terrorism, we're out looking. We're keeping an eye out, and we are very protective.

CARROLL: The enemy they are looking out for is a bird virus called avian flu. Poultry farmers here have seen a less deadly strain than the one in Asia, one that did not involve humans.

In 2002, an outbreak in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley cost the industry $130 million. More than four million chickens and turkeys had to be killed. And, last year, a smaller outbreak in Queen Anne's County caused 30 countries to ban imports of Delmarva chicken. Most, if not all, the countries have since lifted the ban.

RHODES: So, these are the ones I wear to the barn every day.

CARROLL: Both Rhodes... ECK: I have got masks for protective...

CARROLL: And Eck showed us some of the steps farmers take to protect the flocks, like disinfecting their protective booting.

ECK: At the steps at the chicken house, we will fill this up with a disinfectant. So, you have to step through this to go into the chicken house, poultry disinfectant.

CARROLL (on camera): So, there's actually a poultry disinfectant?

ECK: Right. That's correct.

CARROLL (voice-over): Rhodes would only allow one outsider inside her chicken house, our cameraman.

RHODES: So, this is the inside of the chicken house.

CARROLL: These chickens will spend their entire eight-and-a- half-week life inside this chicken house. They will never see the outside, because that would mean potential exposure to wild birds that could carry diseases.

The State Department of Agriculture says it's unlikely the Asian version of avian flu would strike here. The added measures are in place to protect poultry from any disease.

GUY HOHENHAUS, DVM, MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE: Yes. I'm very confident that the right things are being done. The risk is generally small.

CARROLL: Even so, we still have to keep our distance from the ex-chicken houses.

(on camera): Even for us even to be talking to you was -- was a big deal, really, wasn't it?

ECK: Yes, it was.

CARROLL: Even just to get us here.

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ECK: Yes, it was. And we are not in a -- what you would say a real restricted area.

RHODES: I think it's important that people know, the American consumer knows that we're doing all that we can to protect, you know, our -- our poultry.

CARROLL (voice-over): Their livelihood and the public's safety depend on it.

Jason Carroll, CNN, Maryland.

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LIN: Straight ahead on CNN LIVE TODAY, and for the rightful owner of this diamond ring, their chance of getting it back has literally gone down the drain.

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LIN: All right. Let's take a look at the other stories making news coast to coast.

Police in Dallas, Texas, are investigating a grade school teacher accused of beating up a 6-year-old. The teacher is accused of slamming the child's head against the floor several times, and then choking the student with both hands. The child has returned to school. The teacher has been suspended, pending the investigation.

And in St. Joseph, Missouri, investigators will be on the scene of yesterday's explosion at a pork processing plant. One worker was killed and 14 others were injured in the blast, which originated in an office area and cafeteria. Five people thrown from the building and windows on two floors were blown out.

Also, a diamond in the rough from a sparkler in the sewer. Yes. A water district worker in Orange County, California, found this bauble on the job in the sewer. The city and the sheriff's department launched a year-long search, but so far no one has claimed it, so the ring is going on the auction block.

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LIN: In the meantime, it is now 10:54, almost 11:00, in rain- soaked New England; 7:54 in Orange County, California. A check of the morning forecast after a quick break.

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