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PAULA ZAHN NOW

Air Force Academy Football Coach Under Fire; Hurricane Wilma Victims Remain in the Dark; Bird Flu Fears; McDonald's Will Put Nutrition Information On Package; A Boy Scout Changed To A Killer; ATF Prepares For Possible Attacks

Aired October 26, 2005 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Glad to have the rest of you with us tonight. Thanks so much for joining us.
Tonight, the lingering misery and confusion in hurricane-ravaged Florida.

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ZAHN (voice-over): Disaster deja vu -- it looks so familiar, long lines of storm victims calling for help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These people here, they're standing here.

ZAHN: Not enough water, not enough gas -- what's holding back relief efforts in Florida?

Fumbling for words -- at the Air Force Academy, a controversial coach says he needs more black athletes.

FISHER DEBERRY, AIR FORCE ACADEMY FOOTBALL COACH: African- American kids can run very, very well. It's very obvious to me that -- that they run extremely well.

ZAHN: An innocent slip of the tongue or outright racism? Could the winningest coach in Academy history lose his job? Should he?

And the bomb detectives -- deadly weapons used by suicide bombers, not in the Middle East, but right here at home.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ZAHN: I want to start in Florida tonight, where the death toll from Hurricane Wilma has now risen to 10. And officials say they are doing all they can to help out the survivors.

But, right now, millions of storm victims still don't have any electricity, water or gasoline. And they are still waiting in long lines. Many say what's being done isn't enough. They ran out of water and ice early this afternoon at this distribution center in north Miami. It is the same one where, yesterday, people waited for more than 12 hours in line for three bottles of water and one bag of ice. The center served about 8,000 people last night. Those in line today weren't happy when those supplies ran out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not right, you know? And it -- I just hate to say it, but it's something not -- something is rotten in the cotton.

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ZAHN: Meanwhile, Governor Jeb Bush says the number of emergency distribution centers has gone from 71 to 78, and will ultimately increase to 90.

The governor acknowledges that the state's response, while good, hasn't been good enough. He also suggested that people should have been better prepared.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff had the same "Be prepared" message, after touring the Miami area late this afternoon. He said more supplies will come in tonight. President Bush will visit that state tomorrow.

After Katrina hit New Orleans, there was an awful lot of finger- pointing about the dismal emergency response. State officials blamed the feds. The feds blamed the state. The state blamed the locals, but not this time. As we said, Florida Governor Jeb Bush and FEMA Director David Paulison are actually standing up for each other.

Jeanne Meserve joins us now from Miami with the very latest.

So, no turf wars yet this time around yet.

JEANNE MESERVE, CNN HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, not in public at least, Paula.

They do have a problem here and that is that demand is far outstripping supply at this distribution center here. They went through 44 pallets of ice and 40 of water. Many places are running low on supplies, many of these distribution centers. As you mentioned, one in Miami-Dade ran out altogether. And those people that had been waiting in line for hours and hours and hours were absolutely livid.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No ice. No water. So, I'm still left with less gas than I came over here with. And there's still no ice and no water.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you frustrated?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I'm beyond that point. It's -- I expected it when it was happening. I mean, once -- once we lost power to 98 percent or whatever percentage, it's going to be like this. You know, you just have to accept it. It's a different world now. You no longer worry about going to work.

(END VIDEO CLIP) MESERVE: Authorities blame a shortage of fuel for the trucks, debris in the roadway that made their passage difficult and also a storm that didn't follow the usual pattern. It did not weaken as it went across the Florida -- Florida Peninsula, and, so, slammed into these urban areas with large populations, creating a demand for supplies that simply had not been anticipated. Jeb Bush and other officials also put some of the responsibility on citizens themselves.

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GOV. JEB BUSH (R), FLORIDA: People had ample time to prepare, and it isn't that hard to get 72 hours worth of food and water, just to do the simple things that we asked people to do.

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MESERVE: Now, authorities are promising that things are going to get better tomorrow. Secretary of Homeland security Michael Chertoff was in Florida today.

He said that large military transport planes are on standby to fly to other places in the nation, pick up supplies, bring them back to Homestead Air Force Base. And then there are about 500 trucks that are going to disperse them to the distribution points -- so, some hope that things will get better on the supply side.

On the demand side, too, things may improve. As more and more people get electricity, there's going to be less and less demand for some of these supplies -- Paula.

ZAHN: Yes. That continues to be a big story tonight, with over 2.5 million folks still without power.

Jeanne Meserve, thanks so much for that update.

And one of the most urgent tasks tonight is doing exactly what Jeanne just talked about. And that's getting the power back on. In fact, more than 2.5 million customers in Hurricane Wilma's path of destruction are still in the dark, maybe as high as 2.8 million.

Let's see exactly what's being done to help them.

Here's John Zarrella.

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JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN MIAMI BUREAU CHIEF (voice-over): lobby kitchen is the only place Arcady Chase can get hot water for his wife. Then, it's a 19-floor walk back up to their condominium apartment.

ARCADY CHASE, RESIDENT OF FLORIDA: It's not a pleasant experience, to be honest with you. But it's not the end of the world either.

ZARRELLA: No power, no water -- it's been tough. Neighbors down the hall lost a lot more -- windows and walls blown out. But the couple, who lived through World War II in the former Soviet Union, have seen bigger hardships.

A. CHASE: Going through that, you know, as a child, having hardly anything to eat, and we used to live in lot worse than what (INAUDIBLE) that -- a lot of people here.

ZARRELLA: The view from the Chases' Hollywood Beach apartment is stunning -- when there's no here raging outside. But Arcady and Zina aren't sure it's worth it.

ZINA CHASE, RESIDENT OF FLORIDA: We will discuss this, definitely.

(LAUGHTER)

ZARRELLA (on camera): I was going to say, you must be...

(CROSSTALK)

Z. CHASE: Maybe go on the fourth floor.

(LAUGHTER)

Z. CHASE: Because I can walk down.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): In the town of Davie, 15 miles away, Juan (ph) and Dulsay Castallanos (ph) carry buckets of water to their apartment for bathing. Down at the complex clubhouse, people are grilling. Propane is the only power here.

Virginia Muley (ph) is crying while she sits and waits for something to eat. The only way to get by here is neighbor helping neighbor.

Robert Kessler is on his way to help out an elderly woman who lives alone.

ROBERT KESSLER, RESIDENT OF FLORIDA: Like a second mother. So, you got to take care of these people that can't take care of themselves. You know, who is going to do it? Everybody -- no buses are running. It's just nice to have a nice warm meal.

ZARRELLA: In Broward County alone, more than 800,000 people are without electricity. Florida power crews are used to responding to hurricanes, but have never seen anything this widespread, taking down so much infrastructure.

STEVE ALLEN, FLORIDA POWER & LIGHT: We're replacing that bolt and putting the wire back up. And that's -- and then a priority customer on this feeder to get a hospital back up just a couple blocks up the street.

ZARRELLA: There are signs things are getting better. Overhead, a C-5A cargo plane, that means the airport is open and relief supplies are coming in.

(END VIDEOTAPE) ZARRELLA: And the power is coming back here in Hollywood Beach, some power. You can see it across the street. The lights flickered back on here about 3:00 this afternoon.

But the number-one need across Southern Florida remains power. Without the power, the gas stations can't pump the fuel. The water treatment plants can't operate, can't pump the water. There's no water pressure throughout Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach County in many places -- electricity, Paula, number-one priority here in South Florida.

ZAHN: And we hope they are able to get it online as fast as they say they are going to.

John Zarrella, thanks so much.

Now we move back to New Orleans and the chilling possibility that, after Katrina hit, some doctors were faced with a choice: Watch patients suffer or end their lives themselves.

Drew Griffin has been following a state investigation into whether mercy killings happened at one hospital. Tonight, he's discovered some new information about this case.

He joins me now from New Orleans.

What is that new piece of information, Drew?

DREW GRIFFIN, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Paula, CNN learned earlier today that subpoenas were issued in the state investigation into possible euthanasia at Tenet's Memorial Hospital.

And this afternoon -- late this afternoon, as a matter of fact -- I discussed that with Attorney General Charles Foti, who confirmed he has issued 73 subpoenas in this case to Tenet employees at that hospital, at all levels of that hospital. He says he had to do it, because Tenet Hospital sent out this memo to all of its employees who work there, which he said had a chilling effect on his investigation.

The memo, among thing, says that employees have the right to decide whether or not they wish to be interviewed for his investigation. This is what Charles Foti told me this afternoon. He said: "Cooperation lately has not been as good as I had hoped.

They, Tenet, seem to be in a position of protecting themselves, while we are just trying to get to the facts of what happened at the hospital. We had no choice but to issue these subpoenas" -- subpoenas, Paula, to appear before investigators of the state attorney general of Louisiana to find out if mercy killings took place in that hospital in the days after Katrina.

ZAHN: So, Drew, is it any clearer tonight exactly what Tenet told its employees?

GRIFFIN: Well, Tenet -- we have the letter. It was just put into our hands not too long ago. And it tells them, basically, you know, in layman's terms, to lawyer up, that they have a right to get a lawyer. They have a right to be represented by Tenet's lawyers. They have a right not to discuss this case with anybody, including any state or federal agency. That, according to the A.G. in this state, had a very, very chilling effect, he thought, on his investigation, which is why he took this move of issuing these 73 subpoenas in the case.

ZAHN: And for folks in our audience tonight who aren't familiar with this story that you helped break many weeks ago, take us back to Memorial Hospital and what some of the charges are.

GRIFFIN: That hospital, post-Katrina, was filled with 2,000 people, no power, 280 patients, and a staff that was running out of energy, running out of supplies and running out of food. It was very, very dire.

Two weeks ago, CNN reported that doctors and nurses at that hospital openly discussed euthanizing or putting patients to -- to sleep who they felt were not going to make it. One of those doctors was Dr. Bryant King, who told CNN that the discussion -- that he felt the discussion of mercy killings went beyond just talk.

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DR. BRYANT KING, MEMORIAL MEDICAL CENTER: One of the other physicians -- not the one who had the conversation with me, but another, had a handful of syringes. I don't know what's in the syringes. I don't know what -- and the only thing I heard her say is: I'm going to give you something to make you feel better.

I don't know what she was going -- what she was going to give them. But we hadn't been giving -- we hadn't been giving medications like that to -- to make people feel better or any sort of palliative care. I'd rather be considered a person who abandoned patients than who someone aided in eliminating patients.

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GRIFFIN: Eliminating patients is what the attorney general is trying to find out, if that did, indeed, happen at the hospital.

He says Tenet -- he issued a subpoena to get records from Tenet Hospital 15 days ago. They have not produced those yet. He has also asked for a list of all the employees at the hospital working during Katrina. And the attorney general told me this afternoon he's not received that list yet. Paula, that is why he issued these subpoenas.

ZAHN: And I guess one of the larger challenges they have got to figure out is, some of these patients were so sick. Are not some people arguing, whether the hurricane had come or not, they might have died anyway?

GRIFFIN: Which is part of the argument being made. And trying to figure out who died when in that hospital is going to be difficult. The forensic exams have to deal with decomposing bodies, bodies that were in such poor shape, it may be impossible to tell what, if anything, was done to them to hasten their death. That toxicology investigation still continues.

But, in the meantime, the attorney general is just trying to talk to everybody who was inside that hospital, to find out if there's any truth to these allegations that people were, indeed, killed by doctors or nurses, mercy killings, to take them out of their misery.

BLITZER: Drew Griffin, we will be counting on you in the weeks ahead to keep us up to date on this investigation. Thanks so much.

Coming up next, I had no idea of what Hurricane Katrina did to some of New Orleans most historic areas. As you know, one of the things it has are above-ground cemeteries. The results are downright ghoulish.

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KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Explain the sign. Is this -- this is what's left of memory here?

BILL HYLAND, HISTORIAN, SAINT BERNARD'S PARISH: Yes, because, obviously, Tony (ph) floated away.

OPPENHEIM: Oh, boy.

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ZAHN: It isn't a Halloween joke. In the wake of the storm, thousands of coffins and their contents are simply missing, gone.

And, a little bit later on, live from Southeast Asia, our Dr. Sanjay Gupta, he brings us the very latest from the front lines of the fight against bird flu. What is being done to protect all of us here at home?

Plus, incredible close-up pictures of something none of us could ever live through.

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ZAHN: So much was washed away when Katrina hit New Orleans, obviously, the homes and the buildings. And you can imagine how painful that is, to start a life from scratch.

But something else I heard about it has really struck me. People in New Orleans are now dealing with the cemeteries that flooded. And it's estimated that 1,000 coffins vanished, taken by the floodwaters, memories and ties to the past completely gone.

Here's Keith Oppenheim.

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KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Saint Bernard cemetery is said to be one of the oldest graveyards in the New Orleans area. And it was here the historian for St. Bernard's Parish, Bill Hyland, showed me what happened. We began with the memory of an old fan.

(on camera): So, Tony Nicosia (ph) was his name.

HYLAND: Yes.

OPPENHEIM: Did -- and you knew Tony?

HYLAND: Oh, I knew him well.

OPPENHEIM: How -- how long ago did he die?

HYLAND: He died, I guess, about 20 years ago. He was killed accidentally. He was getting ready to go fishing.

OPPENHEIM (voice-over): Like many of the deceased in Louisiana, Tony Nicosia's (ph) body was placed in an above-ground tomb, mainly because floodwaters in low-lying areas can force coffins below ground to rise up and float away.

But the storm surge of Katrina was so high and powerful that, even here, where graves can look like fortresses, tombs fell apart. Now, in place of a stone cover, there is plyboard over Tony Nicosia's (ph) crypt.

(on camera): Explain the sign. Is this -- this is what's left of memory here?

HYLAND: Yes, because, obviously, Tony floated away.

OPPENHEIM: Oh, boy.

(voice-over): In fact, we didn't have to go far to see where some of the coffins had gone.

(on camera): These are woods right behind the cemetery. And it's really mucky back here and tough to walk. But it's back here where we can find evidence of what we're talking about. Right here is a casket, an empty casket. And it's our belief that forensic experts have already been here and have taken the remains to a state morgue.

(voice-over): The morgue outside of Baton Rouge is where state officials are trying to identify the remains of bodies from cemeteries. Louis Cataldie, Louisiana's medical examiner, estimates, at least 1,000 coffins floated away as a result of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Close to half of those, he said, have not yet been identified.

DR. LOUIS CATALDIE, LOUISIANA STATE CORONER: A body bag was brought in yesterday that had bones from three different remains. We had, obviously, a male. Looks like we have a female. And we had a child. And we are going to -- that's really -- it's extremely difficult to identify those remains.

OPPENHEIM: Despite the difficulty, state and local officials believe they will identify the remains and will return them to their proper place.

HYLAND: We really don't anticipate that our family members are going to rise again in a flood.

OPPENHEIM: Bill Hyland says, now families will think more about not only how to protect the living from a hurricane, but also how to protect the dead. One simple solution, identifying the deceased right on the casket, could ultimately prevent the memory of a loved one from floating away.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ZAHN: Tough things to have to think about.

Keith Oppenheim also tells us that the state medical examiner's office has posted signs in New Orleans cemeteries urging people to call if they realize a relative's body is missing from a tomb.

Still ahead, we change our focus quite a bit. Cameras give us a close-up look at something that would kill you. Come inside a bomb blast.

And, a little bit later on, a shocking comment about blacks from a well-respected coach. Did he really mean it? Is it racist?

Right now, about 20 minutes past the hour, time to check in with Erica Hill of Headline News with the hour's top stories.

ERICA HILL, HEADLINE NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Paula, we're learning a little bit more about the investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's name. And we stress little here, special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald saying he had nothing to say to reporters. But he did meet again with the judge in the case. The White House said reports of possible indictments are just speculation.

The way is now clear for lawsuits in the 1993 bombing of New York's World Trade Center. Six people were killed, 1,000 hurt, when a terrorist truck bomb exploded in an underground parking garage. The jury ruled, the building's owner, the New York Port Authority, was negligent.

Islamic Jihad is claiming responsibility for the suicide bombing today of a crowded market in the Israeli city of Hadera. At least four Israelis died. Dozens were injured.

Meantime, Iran's new fundamentalist president today accusing the U.S. and Israel of sowing discord in the world and called for the destruction of both countries.

And the administration today reversed itself. It turns out now Louisiana workers will be paid prevailing wages for federally paid hurricane cleanup work. Earlier, the president had signed an order allowing lower wages.

And that's the latest from Headline News at this hour -- Paula, back over to you. ZAHN: See you at the end of the hour. Thanks, Erica.

In just a minute, our senior medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, live from Asia, the birthplace of bird flu. How could the virus affect us here in America?

And, a little bit later on, a shocking killing and a 16-year-old suspect -- you are looking at him. Were there signs that something was wrong before it was too late? I will take you beyond the headlines.

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ZAHN: As you probably know, flu season is starting. But it's not the ordinary winter bug that has everybody talking this year. This year, the big worry is bird flu, which has infected more than 100 people in Asia. Sixty-two, unfortunately, have died. And the virus is spreading west fast, fast enough that, here in the United States, the Agriculture Department today says it's doing spot checks for bird flu on chicken farms and in migratory birds.

Now, in Thailand last week, a 7-year-old boy came down with bird flu two days after it killed his father. The boy is now recovering.

And we sent our senior medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, to the front lines of the battle against bird flu to find out more about the illness that is scaring so many people here in the U.S.

Sanjay joins me now from Bangkok.

So, Sanjay, as I understand it, you had the opportunity to visit with family members of -- of this man who was killed and whose son now has tested positive for bird flu. What did they tell you?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

And we got directly into that village, Paula, where this man subsequently contracted the bird flu. His -- what happened was, this 40-year-old man actually was -- was plucking a -- a recently deceased chicken, it turns out a chicken that had died of bird flu itself. It had slaughtered -- he had slaughtered the chicken, subsequently boiled it. And then he ate that chicken.

Now, during this whole process, his 7-year-old son was standing right there by him. And that's probably where he contacted the avian flu as well. This is exactly how people are contracting the avian flu here, eating, being around dead or recently deceased chickens.

Now, the 48-year-old man died, as you mentioned. There were some allegations by his family, Paula, that, originally, it was covered up, that they -- the -- the government and the hospitals weren't being fully forthcoming, in terms of telling everyone that he had bird flu. Then they -- the second amount of tests came back. He was confirmed to have bird flu. It was too late at that point.

He -- he died. There was nothing they really could have done anyway. The good news is, the 7-year-old boy, his son, is probably going to recover, probably even going to leave the hospital in the next couple of days or so. And this is exactly the pattern they have been seeing for some time, Paula. This -- this bird flu appears to be killing about one in two people. In this case, it killed the father, but the boy is probably going to survive -- Paula.

ZAHN: But, Sanjay, how can they be so sure that there wasn't person-to-person contact here that -- that gave it to this little boy? Do they really know that for sure?

OPPENHEIM: It's -- it's a great -- no, you don't -- you don't know that for sure. And it's a great question, Paula.

We -- we did some investigating yesterday. What we have found, really, there have been about 15 family clusters around the region -- so, 15 families in which more than one family member actually got bird flu. It -- it takes some really, like, shoe-leather reporting, Paula, to try and figure out, did they both get it or three family members get it from the same chicken, or are they getting it from each other?

It's almost an -- an impossible thing to sort of figure out. But it really is based on just questioning the family members. Were you also around the chicken? Were you just around the sick family member? How did it all work?

But I will tell you this. The -- the Centers for Disease Control, we met with some of the folks here yesterday. Human-to-human transmission, they say, does exist. It's -- it's happening for sure.

The -- the thing is that it's probably just not very good at it, just not very efficient at transmitting itself from human to human. And everyone is hoping that it never becomes very good at it. But human-to-human transmission does probably already exist -- Paula.

ZAHN: Add that to yet another worry in this dreadful fight that we have on our hands, potentially, down the road.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, appreciate it. Travel well.

I want you to see some unbelievable pictures now. Watch this. Coming up next, a demonstration of something we all fear -- a terrorist bomb on a bus.

And, then, a little bit later on, a football coach ignites a firestorm by saying black players run faster. Is he racist or is he right?

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ZAHN: On the "Security Watch" tonight, I'm about to show you something that few of us ever see and hoped we will never have to see for real.

It is a look inside the training federal agents are doing right now in case a suicide bomber strikes here in the U.S. Our Deborah Feyerick got unprecedented access to a remarkable demonstration of what it would be like if bombers actually targeted a bus.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's something everyone now fears: a bomb on a bus set there by a terrorist. In this demonstration, two devices, the one in front, three quarters of a pound of military grade C-4 explosives. The one in back, built with store-bought materials. Both have the power to hurt or kill many passengers on a bus like this.

MICHAEL BURK, BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS and EXPLOSIVES: From immediately looking at this, you can identify the seat of where the explosives were, as well as the area of damage. The windows closest to the explosive are completely blown out. The roof is mushroomed up about eight inches high. You can see there is more devastation here than there is even four feet away.

FEYERICK: Bomb specialist Michael Burk is with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The word explosives, recently added to the agency's name.

Burk has investigated everything from TWA Flight 800 to the two terror attacks on the World Trade Center. He is trained to see what most people's can't, minute pieces of bombs and explosives.

BURK: The blasting cap -- we'll try to find particles of that cap, the rubber grommets, switches, electronics, components, pieces of batteries. Those are things that we look for.

FEYERICK: After the London attacks this summer, it became clear to ATF officials that local investigators, usually first on scene needed to know what to do.

BURK: You'll take the front door. We'll take from just the right of the back door.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where that insulation is?

BURK: Yes.

FEYERICK: And how to respond to a kind of crime scene they may never have seen before.

KEVIN MAHONEY, DETECTIVE, NEW YORK: The only blast I usually analyze are like a propane blast or natural gas explosions.

FEYERICK: Detective Kevin Mahoney is with the Erie County sheriff's office in upstate New York. He and a dozen other investigators from the area are training to figure out how the bomb was set.

MAHONEY: We've got pieces of a can all over the inside. FEYERICK: First, they set up a search perimeter. The general rule, roughly double the distance from the farthest piece of evidence. In this case, a 6-inch piece of twisted metal that landed 300 feet from the bus. They decide which pieces belong and which do not.

MAHONEY: See how it's clean? This one isn't. We could just take this. That will have the blast residue.

FEYERICK: Everything that looks like it might be important is flagged, snapped and bagged.

MAHONEY: Receipts and things like that -- you're going to want to keep, because they might have been in the bomber's pocket. They could have been in the bag that they put it in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is directly below the blast area.

FEYERICK: An area investigator call the seat of the blast.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What went up, went out -- but there's insulation, there's a lot of area up there where stuff could be trapped.

FEYERICK: That includes bodies. Mannequins, in this case, that would normally be X-rayed at a morgue.

BURK: They suspect that they found some of the key pieces of that device.

FEYERICK: Roy House detonated the two bombs -- built with the same kinds of components a terrorist might use. From the timers and wires to the nuts and bolts that shoot out as potentially deadly shrapnel.

WILLIAM MCMAHON, SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE, NEW YORK: We're finding out what's going on overseas, what type of devices they are using there and using that training here.

FEYERICK: William McMahon runs the ATF's New York field division.

What they learn here could be the difference between solving and crime and perhaps not solving a crime.

MCMAHON: Exactly -- any little bit that we can share with them, it could be the key to solve that crime.

FEYERICK: The key, like a metal casing used in one of the devices.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got the top of enamel case 282 feet from the blast area, intact.

FEYERICK (on camera): And it was pretty clear it couldn't have been anything else.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're still trying to find that other little piece of edge --

FEYERICK (voice-over): Here, investigators try to put the pieces back together. The same way a prosecutor might, to build a case and go to trial. In a real attack, the pieces would be brought to a lab and analyzed for chemical residue and DNA. A fingerprint, maybe that would lead to a suspect ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had it all along.

FEYERICK: ... before another attack.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ZAHN: Our Deborah Feyerick reporting.

The ATF says it will keep doing drills like you just saw every few months to better prepare for the possibility of suicide bombings here in the U.S.

There's a famous movie you might remember called, "White Men Can't Jump." But can black men run faster? Well, a famous football coach said yes. Does that make him a racist?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FISHER DEBERRY, COACH, AIR FORCE ACADEMY: I regret these statements, and I sincerely hope that they will not reflect negligently toward the academy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ZAHN: Coming up next, is that apology enough or should this coach be fired? Or is he just a victim of political correctness run amuck?

A little bit later on, we go beyond the headlines in a sensational killing. What caused a one-time boy scout's shocking change in personality?

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ZAHN: Well, tonight there's an awful lot of outrage about what many people say are racist statements from a legendary football coach at the U.S. Air Force Academy. It's just the latest embarrassment for the academy, which in the last couple of years has endured allegations of sexual assaults and religious intolerance.

Well, this latest controversy involves African-Americans and their athletic ability.

Sean Callebs has more.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was a humbling experience for the Air Force Academy's "winningest" football coach, Fisher DeBerry.

DEBERRY: It's my desire to make a public apology for the remarks that I made recently about minority recruitment,

CALLEBS: DeBerry is a powerful man, used to getting his way after 22 years as a head coach, 17 winning seasons. But by his own admission, this time he went too far.

FISHER DEBERRY, AIR FORCE ACADEMY FOOTBALL COACH: I have made a mistake. And I ask for everyone's forgiveness. I regret these statements. And I sincerely hope that they will not reflect negligently toward the Academy.

CALLEBS: DeBerry fumbled into this controversy after his team suffered a thrashing at the hands of Texas Christian University. The coach said the Academy needed faster players, more African-American athletes.

DEBERRY: African-American kids can run very, very well.

CALLEBS: Those comments fuel talk radio. Those against and those who support what he said.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I read the comments, I didn't see it as a stab at any particular group. I saw it as more of a compliment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just stupid. I mean, he could have easily made his point by saying, we don't have the forces.

CALLEBS: DeBerry He has won 161 games here. And as a civilian contractor working for the government, records show he's paid more than $560,000 a year. A former player I spoke with recently who is now an Air Force officer and wants his identity protected, says the coach has immense authority here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They call him General DeBerry. They call him five-star General DeBerry. They say he's got the power of a five-star general.

CALLEBS: It's the second time in two years the 67-year-old has caused a public outcry here. A devote Christian, DeBerry was forced to remove a banner from the locker room last season that read, "I belong to team Jesus."

The Academy has been fighting controversies over the past two years, including allegations that evangelical Christians on campus have been overzealous in proselytizing other students.

Even with the issues of race and religion hanging over him, DeBerry is adamant he won't be forced to quit.

DEBERRY: There has been no consideration for stepping down from my job. (END VIDEOTAPE)

CALLEBS: Before the news conference today, Fisher DeBerry did receive a reprimand from the new superintendent at the Air Force academy. Despite that admonishment, however, administrators here are making it clear that for the time being, at least, DeBerry remains their head coach -- Paula.

ZAHN: Yes, they made that abundantly clear. Sean Callebs, thanks so much.

Joining me now, Stephen Smith who hosts ESPN's "Quite Frankly." Quite frankly, Steven, do you think this guy should resign? He says he has no intention to do so.

STEPHEN SMITH, QUITE FRANKLY: No, I do think he should resign. I think it was clearly somewhat insensitive to say the least, it was stupid of him to say it. Make no mistake about that, because you know, any time you bring race into the equation that's just a no-win situation, especially this day and time and especially for a white coach in this day and time just because of the climate that we live in. But I don't think it's a fireable offense, no.

ZAHN: Do you think this man is a racist?

SMITH: No. I think it would be -- I don't know the man. I've never met the man. I certainly think that again, it was obviously insensitive and somewhat ignorant for him to say. But to go as far as labeling him a racist, I would never do that. I don't know him personally. I know nothing of his record to say such a thing or make such a claim because, again, what kind of history do we have on this man that would indicate such a thing. One comment does not make a man a racist.

ZAHN: Let's talk about some other studies...

SMITH: In most instances. Let me correct that, in most instances, there are some things that I've heard once that would apply.

ZAHN: There have been some studies done over the years which show that there are biological differences between African-Americans and whites that would show in some cases superior athletic ability. Now some people said that's a bunch of bunk. Do you think there's any truth?

SMITH: There may be some truth to those studies. But when you hear people alluding to it, the reason why the issue of race comes into the equation is because of the underlying issues involved with that. Sometimes people say it based out of sheer ignorance. Other times they are saying it to highlight one's athletic ability while at the same time diminishing their intellectual capacities.

A lot of times when you speak to a lot of athletes, or if you talk to a lot of black individuals involved in the world of sports, people who couldn't get into the positions of -- an executive position like a GM, like a president or what have you, some of the things that they allude to is everybody is always commenting on our physical prowess and not giving us enough credit for our cerebral prowess.

And that's a problem for them, because a lot of times you look at -- I know me personally, somebody questions my intellect, I'm going to have a problem with them. And sometimes you listen to people speak and they try to point to one's athletic prowess simultaneously trying to take away from their intellectual capacity. And that's where it gets highly sensitive. That's why you shouldn't touch it.

ZAHN: But you haven't gone any further tonight than to say this guy made a dumb comment. Were you insulted personally?

SMITH: You know what, I don't want to go as far as to say I was insulted. Because again, he may not know better. The fact is, on a lot -- in a lot of cases you have a lot of people out there who believe they look at black athletes and they think that black athletes run faster and things of that nature. I spoke to a white person today who believes that is true.

Now whether we all believe that is true remains to be seen. I've seen some white folks that can run faster than me, quite frankly. But then what does that saying? I'm not the fastest runner in the world. But at the end of the day I'm still not going to be stupid enough to delve into that realm simply because it's a no-win situation.

He should be reprimanded. He should have been talked to. He may need to be suspended or whatever. But he's been there for 22 years. He's done a lot for that institution. And the fact is, one comment is ignorant and as insensitive as it may have been, let's be real about something, we have heard worse.

ZAHN: We certainly have. Stephen Smith, thank you for dropping by. We'll be listening for you on the radio.

Coming up in a little bit, what could turn a 16-year-old baseball player and boy scout into an accused killer? Should someone have paid more attention to some very disturbing signs?

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ANTHONY CATANESI, FORMER CLASSMATE: He had a really white face, and stuff like that. And I think he wore like black lipstick. And he just walked around, and everybody was, oh my God, who is that kid?

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ZAHN: Stay with us on a shocking mystery.

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ZAHN: Now we move on to a story that we've been watching very closely for you. In a California courtroom tomorrow, a 16-year-old boy is scheduled to be arraigned for murder. Scott Dyleski is charged as an adult in the killing of the wife of high-profile defense lawyer and TV legal analyst Daniel Horowitz. One of the things that has become clear about the suspect is that he underwent a shocking personality change over the last couple of years. So we've gone beyond the headlines tonight to try to find out why. Here's Ted Rowlands.

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TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): How did 16-year- old Scott Dyleski go from baseball player and Boy Scout to accused murderer? Friends of Dyleski say this traffic accident in August of 2002 may have had something to do with it. Dyleski's older sister, Danika (ph), who was 18 at the time, was killed in the wreck. And friends say after she died, Scott Dyleski started to change.

CATANESI: And that may have helped in his turn towards the, you know, goth side.

ROWLANDS: Friends and classmates say Dyleski changed from normal kid to withdrawn teenager, standing out because of his attitude and the way he dressed.

NICK PIPER, FORMER CLASSMATE: He would just walk through the halls and he was like, I think, putting makeup on himself. Like he had a really white face and stuff like that. And I think he wore like black lipstick. And he just walked around and everybody was like, oh my God, who is that kid?

ROWLANDS: As a freshman he wrote this in his high school yearbook. "I don't expect everyone to go out and make themselves look unique. I just want everyone to understand that the ones that do are just being themselves and your judgments will never stop them."

But now judgment is exactly what Scott Dyleski is facing, charged as an adult with first-degree murder for the death of his neighbor, 52-year-old Pamela Vitale, the wife of well-known defense attorney Daniel Horowitz. According to a law enforcement official close to the case, Vitale was found with a cross-like symbol carved into her back.

Dyleski, who made his first court appearance last week, is accused of killing Vitale on the 12-acre estate where she and Horowitz were building a house. According to court documents just released, investigators believe Dyleski wore gloves during the killing and in addition to hitting her on the head, also stabbed Vitale in her leg. Also a glove with traces of blood and clothing with blood were found in a duffel bag inside a van on the property where Dyleski lived.

The documents also showed that investigators believe Dyleski may have used stolen credit card information obtained from these neighborhood mailboxes to purchase marijuana growing supplies and because he may have tried getting the supplies shipped to the Horowitz home, investigators believe the scheme could be related to the murder.

HAL JEWETT, DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: This is a brutal homicide, and because he is very close to his 17th birthday, we believe that it's a situation where he is not entitled to the protections afforded him under the juvenile law and it's appropriate to prosecute him as an adult.

ROWLANDS: Dyleski is being held on $1 million bail. As it stands now, he's facing the possibility, if convicted, of 26 years to life in prison. But still unclear, and what may never be known, is why this boy changed so much in just a few years.

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ZAHN: Thanks, Ted. And we've also learned this week that Scott Dyleski's lawyer has quit the case citing financial reasons and a connection to another case involving the suspect's family.

We're going to turn from that now to the day's news that affects your money. Here's Erica Hill with the Headline News Business Break.

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ZAHN: I bet you can sing any number of McDonald's jingles. But do you know how many calories are in a Big Mac?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's awful. I already know it's bad for me.

JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So you don't want proof, is that it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. I don't want proof.

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ZAHN: Oh, but you're going to get it anyway. Coming up, Jeanne Moos has the scoop on what's going to be showing up under the golden arches.

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ZAHN: Food police are at it again. Coming soon to a McDonald's near you, more information than you probably ever wanted to know about what exactly you are putting into your body. It will be staring back at you on the wrapper. We sent Jeanne Moos to chew things over.

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MOOS (voice-over): It could almost give you a Big Mac heart attack just to hear the number of calories in one of these things.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe 10?

MOOS (on camera): Ten calories in a Big Mac? Five hundred and sixty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wow, 560.

MOOS: Five hundred and sixty. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Five, six, zero?

MOOS (voice-over): Remember when all we knew about the contents of a Big Mac was a sweet little jingle. Well, we're about to know a lot more about those two all beef patties with a special sauce. The gory details will soon be ...

JACK SKINNER, CEO, MCDONALD'S: Right here on our packaging.

MOOS: Calories, fat, salt content, right on the wrapper.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's awful. I already know it's bad for me. I don't want proof.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The more you know, usually the more you don't want to know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wouldn't want to know because then I would feel like I'm getting fat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think we should know.

MOOS: Fast food fans may be split into two camps.

(on camera): Do you want to know this or you don't want to know this?

(CROSSTALK)

MOOS (voice-over): Do you want to know that a simple cheeseburger will cost you 310 calories, that a single Big Mac will account for almost half of the recommended daily fat intake.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But like it's cool to know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now I don't want to know.

MOOS: Beginning next year, food from McDonald's all over the world will start to come with nutritional details plastered all over it. Outside a London McDonald's, almost everyone thought it was a great idea.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Obviously you want to know what you're putting inside.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I probably want to know, but not until after I finish.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't want to know. That's like knowing Santa doesn't exist. You know that?

MOOS: Now, there's a fellow who looks like he's had a few quarter pounders too many. This guy liked the idea of getting more info. But then his name is McDonald. But Mr. McDonald, your first name isn't Ronald?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, it isn't.

MOOS: Though his hair prompts lots of Ronald McDonald jokes. Maybe more information will be a pleasant surprise since most folks overestimated calorie counts for items like small fries.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seven ninety.

MOOS (on camera): Two hundred and thirty.

(voice-over): And grilled chicken.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, if it's less than 600, I'm happy.

MOOS (on camera): It's 590.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm a happy guy. I'm a happy guy.

MOOS: And did you just come out of McDonald's.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

MOOS: I thought you poked at us. That is really funny.

(voice-over): They don't warn about that on the new packaging. Calorie and fat content on McDonald's pales compared to grisly photos Canadians find on their cigarette packs warning of heart and lung disease. But if Canadians still smoke after being warned about impotence, what's a little calorie count on a Big Mac going to do?

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ZAHN: So much for guilt-free eating, Jeanne Moos. What she didn't tell you is -- and I'm going to say this slowly because this is really hard to say fast -- 32 ounce triple thick chocolate shake weighs in at 1,160 calories.

Thanks so much for joining us tonight. Appreciate your dropping by. LARRY KING LIVE starts right now.

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