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Getting Out of Iraq; Western Winter Storm Headed East
Aired November 29, 2005 - 08:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning.
I'm Miles O'Brien.
Blinding blizzards stopping traffic dead in its tracks and now a Western winter storm is headed East. We'll tell you what to expect.
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Soledad O'Brien.
Getting out of Iraq -- President Bush will talk about that tomorrow. Some of his military commanders, though, are talking about it right now. We're going to take you live to the Pentagon this morning.
M. O'BRIEN: And a controversial plan to fight terrorism in Miami. Protecting so-called soft targets with ambush tactics. That's ahead on this AMERICAN MORNING.
Good morning to you.
You know, I've got to say, if a police officer just walked up to me on the street and said give me your I.D. I would be very...
S. O'BRIEN: You give him the hot ticket.
M. O'BRIEN: I'd be a little defensive. I'd be like what's your -- why?
S. O'BRIEN: When you get pulled over you're asked to give your I.D. and that...
M. O'BRIEN: No, no, no, no. No, no, when I'm operating a vehicle, that's a different thing. But when I'm just walking down the street in the United States of America, to be just give me your I.D. that, to me, doesn't feel like the good old U.S. of A.
S. O'BRIEN: You're a little concerned about this new soft target protection plan --
M. O'BRIEN: Yes, well that's what...
S. O'BRIEN: ... that the Miami police...
M. O'BRIEN: That's right. I'm sorry. I'm speaking randomly.
let's go to the stop story, though. We probably should.
S. O'BRIEN: Yes, we're going to get to that story in a little bit.
M. O'BRIEN: I digress.
Yes. Yes.
S. O'BRIEN: In fact, President Bush is talking about troop levels in Iraq. That's going to be in a speech tomorrow. A lot of ifs, though, over whether there's going to be a troop reduction by next year, including questions over controlling the insurgency there.
Let's get right to Barbara Starr.
She's live for us this morning at the Pentagon -- Barbara, good morning to you.
Violence against U.S. troops.
What are you hearing on that front?
BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Soledad, there is some news on that front this morning because several sources are now confirming to CNN that those new, more sophisticated improvised explosive devices, those IEDs with explosively formed projectiles, a term we continue to hear, those are now being seen in wider areas across Iraq. It used to be, a few weeks back, they were just in the south. Now sources confirming they've been seen in Baghdad. They have been used. They are very, very deadly for U.S. troops.
And it is against that backdrop, of course, that President Bush tomorrow is expected to deliver a major speech about Iraq and set the ground for possible troop withdrawals, for possible reduction of U.S. force levels.
Let's look at some of the numbers, the statistics that the president is expected to talk about. Right now in Iraq, there are about, about 155,000 U.S. troops. After the December 15th elections, if the elections go well and a new government is seated in Iraq, it is expected the president will agree to bring about 20,000 troops home, leaving a level of about 138,000 troops.
But the goal, the real goal for the administration is to see if they can set the conditions for 100,000 troops in Iraq by the end of 2006 -- Soledad.
S. O'BRIEN: That's U.S. troop levels.
How about Iraqi troop levels?
STARR: Well, Iraqi troop levels, of course, as you say, are very important because it is as the Iraqis become more capable of handling their own security affairs that the U.S. can withdraw. And let's look at some of those Iraqi troop levels.
Right now, there are 212,000, we are told, Iraqi troops trained and equipped. That's about 130 combat battalions. And of that, about 45 battalions, basically, are capable of commanding or leading in their own sectors. Thirty-three battalions, perhaps a little less capable, can be responsible for their own sectors.
But what does all of that really mean?
There are about 700 -- it's a math problem. There are about 750 Iraqi troops per battalion, so still there is an awful lot of territory to cover, a lot of work to be done for those Iraqi forces, we are told.
S. O'BRIEN: Yes, it's a critical math problem because, of course, it's directly correlated to when U.S. troops can leave Iraq. And no matter how you slice and dice it, it is -- they're not ready yet.
Barbara Starr at the Pentagon for us this morning.
Barbara, thanks -- Miles.
M. O'BRIEN: While on the subject of Iraq, let's talk some about the trial of Saddam Hussein. Some people may have been a little bit caught off guard when a former U.S. attorney general joined the defense team. But for people who know Ramsey Clark, it was not such a surprise.
CNN's Tom Foreman explains.
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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For 40 years, he's stood by the world's most outcast offenders, people implicated in attacks on America, terrorism in the Middle East, war crimes in the Balkans, genocide in Africa. And now Ramsey Clark is lending legal aid to Saddam Hussein.
RAMSEY CLARK, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: The passions in the country are at, you know, fever pitch and it'll take effort at every turn by the court and everyone participating to be fair and to show that you're being fair.
FOREMAN: The Texas-born son of a Supreme Court justice, Clark was Lyndon Johnson's attorney general during the civil rights struggle. But after a failed run for the Senate, his focus landed on American foreign policy, with a crash. Time and again he has offered advice to those doing legal battle with the U.S. government, arguing, often venomously, that America's economic, political and military power must be contained by the world's courts.
CLARK: Because I think if you don't protect the rights in the hardest cases, you don't have rights.
FOREMAN: Clark was criticized for meeting Saddam Hussein shortly before the war. He's being attacked again now for insisting the dictator deserves a vigorous defense.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Clark has no business to be interfering. This is an Iraqi trial run by the Iraqi people for the Iraqi people. FOREMAN: Still, Clark's eagerness to travel the globe criticizing America has earned him an international reputation and at George Washington University's law school, Jonathan Turley says in this case, Clark may have a point.
JONATHAN TURLEY, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY: There's no question Saddam Hussein deserves a fair trial. He's not going to get one. And there's no question he deserves good lawyers and I don't think he's going to get those either.
I'm not too sure he deserves Ramsey Clark.
FOREMAN (on camera): Well, that's a curious way of putting it. What do you mean by that?
TURLEY: Ramsey Clark will often go into a case as an attorney and use the case as a vehicle to criticize the United States. That's not necessarily representing your client.
FOREMAN (voice-over): Clark has never apologized for using people accused of terrible crimes to promote his views. Indeed, he has justified his actions and theirs, too, by saying the greatest crime since World War II is American foreign policy.
Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.
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M. O'BRIEN: Now, as for the Saddam Hussein trial itself, things are on hold until next Monday. But the Iraqi people are getting tired of the delays. We'll have a report on that from Baghdad coming up a little bit later.
Let's check some other headlines now.
Carol back with that -- hello, Carol.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, Miles.
President Bush will be in El Paso, Texas today. He'll tour the U.S.-Mexican border and talk about beefing up security there and elsewhere. He's also expected to push his plan for offering visas for some immigrants who work in the states. That plan has been bottled up in Congress ever since the president proposed it last year.
It was a very tearful admission by California Congressman Randy Duke Cunningham. He announced Monday he's resigning after pleading guilty to accepting more than $2 million in bribes. The former Navy fighter pilot shot down five MIGs in Vietnam, inspiring the movie "Top Gun." Cunningham had served eight terms in the U.S. House. He could be headed to jail.
Remember this? Yes, several men vandalized two liquor stores in Oakland, California last week. Well, now police say they have identified six suspects and will seek arrest warrants for them. Authorities are keeping mum on whether they think a fire on Monday at one store is connected to last week's vandalism. When we get the names, we'll pass them along to you.
And the long hard Atlantic hurricane season ends tomorrow. There was a record number of hurricanes and tropical storms, including the never to be forgotten Katrina. Federal officials will review the session and talk about post-hurricane efforts at a news conference later this morning.
At the half hour, John Zarrella will have more on his special series about this wild hurricane season.
And Jacqui, I've got to tell you, I'm just glad it's over.
JACQUI JERAS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, define over.
COSTELLO: Uh-oh.
Oh come on.
JERAS: I know. Just because it's the official end doesn't mean we can't get another system. It is a possibility.
(WEATHER REPORT)
M. O'BRIEN: All right, well, you've heard of "Miami Vice." What about Miami Shield? The city's police chief will join us in just a bit to explain his new plan to protect Miami from terror attacks.
S. O'BRIEN: And Miles thinks it was a fake event. But yesterday, believe it or not, was Cyber Monday.
So did you get any online shopping done? I did.
M. O'BRIEN: Oh, so you believe...
S. O'BRIEN: I got some tips ahead...
M. O'BRIEN: You bought the hype, didn't you?
S. O'BRIEN: I bought the hype and contributed to it. And we've got some tips ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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S. O'BRIEN: A CNN "Security Watch" now.
Miami police announcing a new plan called Miami Shield to protect the city from terrorism.
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DEP. CHIEF FRANK FERNANDEZ, MIAMI POLICE: Basically you're going to see an increase of officers surrounding a building. You're going to -- we'll have an official, a staffing official go inside the building, contact their management staff, letting them know what it is we're doing out there. And basically it's to keep it random, keep these terrorists guessing when we're going to come. (END VIDEO CLIP)
S. O'BRIEN: Random and keep them guessing.
John Timoney is Miami's chief of police.
It's nice to see you, Chief.
CHIEF JOHN TIMONEY, MIAMI POLICE: Good morning.
S. O'BRIEN: Thanks for talking with us this morning.
TIMONEY: How are you?
S. O'BRIEN: Are you responding in this -- I'm well, thank you.
Are you responding in this case to any specific threats or maybe any non-specific threats?
TIMONEY: No. Right now things have been relatively quiet the last few months as far as threats on Miami specifically.
This was a program we were going to unveil about two months ago, but because of the hurricanes it was postponed until yesterday. We wanted to get it off the ground before the holiday time. And what it's meant to do, it really is, first and foremost, an education piece where we go to a specific building or a locale like a building behind you, in Miami.
A certain amount of police officers in uniform and in plainclothes will show up, speak to the managers of the building, speak to other folks, hand out brochures on how the public could assist us in fighting terrorism.
It's meant to be spontaneous, unpredictable. Clearly, police departments, ideally, you would have a police officer at every strategic location 24-7. It's impossible. You couldn't sustain that in the long-term.
And so what this is meant to do is kind of keep the pressure up by surprise visits to vulnerable locations throughout the city, get community by a...
S. O'BRIEN: And I guess...
TIMONEY: Go ahead.
S. O'BRIEN: ... vulnerable, when you're talking about soft targets, I mean, to some degree, everything is vulnerable...
TIMONEY: Sure.
S. O'BRIEN: Especially if you're talking about, you know, terrorists.
TIMONEY: Yes. S. O'BRIEN: A big educational aspect to it, but, of course, as I'm sure you're well aware, there are people who fear that this would be a very good opportunity for civil rights to be ignored in many ways.
Could you, theoretically, walk up to a group and say all right, everybody, show us your I.D.s? is that how it could work?
TIMONEY: No. By the way, that's not part of the program and nowhere in America, whether it's terrorism or ordinary crime, without probable cause, can you demand identification. That's not part of the program whatsoever.
My sense is -- I've heard that allegation in the last 24 hours. It has nothing to do with this program. That's clearly somebody else's disinformation campaign, if you will, going out there.
S. O'BRIEN: Well, I'll tell my co-anchor, Miles, who is specifically concerned about that.
M. O'BRIEN: No, Chief, I'm glad you straightened that out. That makes me feel a lot better. But I had read something to that effect, that this was, in fact, an opportunity for police to come up and say hey, give me your I.D. which I -- it doesn't sound right to me.
TIMONEY: No...
S. O'BRIEN: But then how...
TIMONEY: No, Miles, listen, that -- first of all, that's not my nature. And second of all j
M. O'BRIEN: I didn't think so. It didn't sound like you.
TIMONEY: No. I mean it's -- this is meant, by the way, there's a similar program in New York City. What it's meant to do is, again, provide a police presence, both uniform and civilian. We have three brochures, three separate brochures in different languages -- Creole, Spanish and English -- that are given out. We meet with the management of the various buildings or if it's a mall, go through it. And we will assist them in target hardening their location.
And so it's meant...
S. O'BRIEN: How does...
TIMONEY: Go ahead.
S. O'BRIEN: How does that protect, though, against terrorists? I mean because if you're really providing this educational arm, I mean you're not culling through any of the people. You're not looking for suspicious people. You're not interviewing anybody who's there.
How does that, then, help us?
TIMONEY: Well, there's a few things. One, there's a role for the average citizen, whether it's a businessperson or a residential member of the community. They know, they're there 24-7. They know what looks normal and what isn't normal in the community.
For example, 14 out of the 19 hijackers on September 11 resided in the South Florida area, in residential areas. It's very easy -- it's like New York. It's multi-ethnic, so it's very easy to fit in.
What may not be suspicious to the average police officer may, in fact, be suspicious to a next door neighbor. All of a sudden she notices something -- this person doesn't belong here, they've moved in.
What we require is just give us a call. Don't do anything yourself. We will come and check it out.
But it's important that the community be part of this. They're our eyes and ears. They're there 24-7. It's an important role for them to play.
S. O'BRIEN: I guess it's like the New York City "If You See Something, Say Something" strategy.
TIMONEY: Exactly.
exactly.
S. O'BRIEN: Chief John Timoney.
We'll check back in with you again to see how it's working and if it's been successful or not.
Thanks for talking with us, sir.
TIMONEY: Thank you very much.
S. O'BRIEN: You want to be sure to stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.
M. O'BRIEN: All right, so we got that cleared up. They're not just asking for I.D.s at random.
S. O'BRIEN: I think he accused you of spreading a disinformation campaign.
M. O'BRIEN: I believe that was...
S. O'BRIEN: I believe the chief was saying that about you.
M. O'BRIEN: If you look at the transcript, you'll see that somebody's smearing me and my police department.
S. O'BRIEN: Never. Never.
M. O'BRIEN: That would be me.
S. O'BRIEN: Never. M. O'BRIEN: OK, sorry, chief.
I take it back.
S. O'BRIEN: Oh, much more ahead this morning.
M. O'BRIEN: Coming up, tips for smart shopping. We'll show you where to go to find the very best online bargains this holiday season online.
That's next on AMERICAN MORNING.
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M. O'BRIEN: All right, 8:21 and the kids are off to school. We can talk about this now. I'm looking for one of those Xbox 360s and I'm having some trouble, well, everybody is having trouble with that. I don't know if there's any Internet solution or any solution to that because I sort of delayed the purchase. And I should have bought it months ago when I first heard it was coming out.
Dannielle Romano is editor-at-large of Dailycandy.com.
She's going to walk us through finding things on the Web and the good price.
DANNIELLE ROMANO DAILYCANDY.COM: I am here to help.
M. O'BRIEN: Good.
ROMANO: If there's anything the Dailycandy girls love more than shopping, it's shopping on the cheap.
M. O'BRIEN: Well, here's -- should I come clean with everybody what I did? I...
ROMANO: I think we need honesty here.
M. O'BRIEN: I paid an exorbitant amount of money, more than the sticker advertised price. I still haven't seen it yet.
ROMANO: Patience is a virtue...
M. O'BRIEN: You tell that to a 13-year-old boy.
ROMANO: OK. You're right.
M. O'BRIEN: Patience -- all right, so, let's go to some of the sites.
ROMANO: Comparison shopping sites.
M. O'BRIEN: Good ones.
ROMANO: So there's all this information out there. We can drive. When we're at the mall, we can walk from store to store. But how do you know what's going on on the Internet?
These comparison shopping sites search all the different -- the bazillion retail sites out there and tell you what the best prices are on certain products.
M. O'BRIEN: All right, we're starting with Froogle.
ROMANO: Froogle.
M. O'BRIEN: I've got Xbox 360 punched in there.
ROMANO: OK, type it in there.
A good one, Froogle.
M. O'BRIEN: And let's search Froogle and see what it says.
ROMANO: It's, of course, Google, so the interface is the clean, easy, very -- lots of white space we've come to expect from Google. I like the interface. It's just easy and very simple.
So what did we find?
M. O'BRIEN: All right, well, there's a bunch of them listed, but watch what happens when you go in and you like click on it.
Let's do the Platinum Bundle, which is all the...
ROMANO: The Platinum Bundle? That sounds tempting.
M. O'BRIEN: Well, you've got to get the Platinum Bundle, for gosh sakes. And it says -- usually it says somewhere shipping in March, usually, which just isn't good enough. It doesn't say for sure that...
ROMANO: That's not now.
M. O'BRIEN: You've got to watch that, because that's an important thing.
The other thing you've got to watch, too, are these merchant ratings, right? That's important, isn't it?
ROMANO: That's really important. So we think OK, this comparison site is going to tell me all the prices, cheap price, bang, I'm done, that's the final word. That's certainly not true. This is a tool to get us to the different retail sites. You still have to look, use common sense. Is this a good merchant?
They, often these sites will add merchant ratings.
M. O'BRIEN: There's stars or whatever, right.
ROMANO: If there's no rating available, that sounds kind of shady, doesn't it?
M. O'BRIEN: Buyer beware.
ROMANO: Buyer beware.
Also, don't just look at the price. You want to make sure have they included shipping costs?
M. O'BRIEN: Yes.
ROMANO: Because what if there's a great retail price, but that guy is charging three times as much for shipping? Your discount is negated. So you want to look at the fine print, as they say.
M. O'BRIEN: I finally got to Decompute and it says right there "out of stock."
ROMANO: Darn it.
M. O'BRIEN: Can we get that, Phil? There you go. Out of stock. But $325.77, which is less than I paid. But, of course, that is a moot issue.
Now, let's go to Price Grabber.
Now, what does Price Grabber do that Froogle doesn't do? A similar kind of thing?
ROMANO: It's a similar thing. People really love Price Grabber. Hey, the name is pretty cool, right?
M. O'BRIEN: Yes.
ROMANO: It's also a good interface. It's easy. There's not a lot of clutter.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes.
ROMANO: I like that it has these tabs, so when...
M. O'BRIEN: I'm sorry, I just went back -- I went to...
ROMANO: It's OK.
M. O'BRIEN: ... check the Xbox again.
ROMANO: We can still see the tabs.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes. There they are. I do like that, home, computers, photo, electronics, yes.
ROMANO: So I like this now where everything is on the nav bar at the top. There are also these lower things called merchant coupons, merchant reviews. So as you're searching, whatever search page your on, you can pull up the merchant reviews that are related to what you're looking at. You can see if any merchant in a similar category is offering a rebate.
So that's good saving idea, you know, saving advice, as well.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes.
And once again, they have ratings for the retailers supported.
ROMANO: Yes. You have to look at all the...
M. O'BRIEN: I go to -- I find myself going to Yahoo! a lot. I kind of like their interface for whatever reason. I haven't used Froogle as much. I think they've improved at Froogle...
ROMANO: I think Yahoo!...
M. O'BRIEN: When it first came out, Yahoo! Shopping is pretty good.
What do you -- do you like it?
ROMANO: For me it's a little cluttered.
M. O'BRIEN: They do. They've got to work on that.
ROMANO: But, again, it's a personal preference, you know?
M. O'BRIEN: Yes.
ROMANO: I like the clean, I see just the thing. I have a one track mind, so I can't -- I'm like a raccoon, I get all distracted with the shiny bells and whistles. But people...
M. O'BRIEN: A raccoon? Really?
ROMANO: A little bit. You know, they love the shiny stuff.
So Yahoo!, I mean, people love it, too. And they've worked a lot on their shopping products. So you've got to find...
M. O'BRIEN: Just stay out of the garbage, you know?
ROMANO: Yes, I do what I can.
M. O'BRIEN: You know what I mean?
ROMANO: I do what I can.
M. O'BRIEN: Let's -- Cairo.com...
ROMANO: Oh, I want to show you...
M. O'BRIEN: I hadn't heard of it.
ROMANO: ... Cairo.com.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes, tell me about that one.
ROMANO: The cool thing about this is it localizes it. M. O'BRIEN: Ah!
ROMANO: So instead of showing you everything online, you type in your zip code and what you're looking for...
M. O'BRIEN: I had already done that, by the way, before we went on the air so...
ROMANO: OK, cool.
M. O'BRIEN: So put that in.
ROMANO: And they're going to tell you the stores...
M. O'BRIEN: Because it says New York. It says New York there.
ROMANO: ... near you.
M. O'BRIEN: And -- oh, that's pretty cool. So if you want to actually go --
ROMANO: The actual brick and mortar retailers, as they say.
M. O'BRIEN: I didn't...
ROMANO: We can hop on the subway, we can pick up the Xbox, we can have it today.
M. O'BRIEN: But who would want to do that?
ROMANO: Well, I know, when it's free shipping and all of that.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes.
ROMANO: But it's cool. They also include grocery stores. So we could sit here and compare chicken legs without out getting our grandma cart and marching from grocery to grocery. So...
M. O'BRIEN: You know, there's some things you've got to do in person. The chicken leg you've got to do in person, don't you think?
ROMANO: I'm not going to have those shucked. Exactly.
M. O'BRIEN: Chicken legs online? I don't know.
ROMANO: But let's let our fingers do the walking, the universal sign for typing.
M. O'BRIEN: There you go.
ROMANO: That's why Cairo is cool, the local information.
M. O'BRIEN: And then Shopping.com, what, pretty similar now to what we've been seeing...
ROMANO: Very, you know... M. O'BRIEN: ... except for not the local (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
ROMANO: It's similar. It's, you know, you have a different color. It's really a personal preference. You mess around with these, see which interface you like, see which appeals to you. Maybe you're a bells and whistles kind of person. Maybe you're a clean and simple kind of person. They all scour pretty much the same sites. And they all earn a commission if you buy something through them, like the click through.
M. O'BRIEN: Right. Just to tell you, here's $599 for the Platinum Bundle Xbox 360. Not in stock at E.B. Games. It ships March. And then this one, Atomic Park, which is where I knuckled under, it's just the basic system now for $849. But they say they'll ship it...
ROMANO: That's not a Platinum Bundle.
M. O'BRIEN: I would say I got platinum rolled, you know what I mean, by that deal. But there you have it.
Dannielle...
ROMANO: It makes me nervous.
M. O'BRIEN: ... why don't you come back tomorrow and we'll go to some of your favorite shopping sites, too?
ROMANO: So much on the Interweb to look at.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes, there is.
ROMANO: And we're here to talk about it.
M. O'BRIEN: All right.
ROMANO: It sounds good.
M. O'BRIEN: Like a raccoon, gathering up all those things for us.
All right, thank you.
Dannielle Romero is with Dailycandy.com -- Soledad.
S. O'BRIEN: You paid $850 and it's not even a Platinum Bundle?
M. O'BRIEN: I paid a little less than that.
ROMANO: Shocking.
M. O'BRIEN: It's gone up. It's actually gone up.
S. O'BRIEN: Yes, sure.
M. O'BRIEN: But I still paid too much. S. O'BRIEN: Dannielle, help him out. Stay.
M. O'BRIEN: No, please.
S. O'BRIEN: Help him.
ROMANO: We might be beyond help.
Sorry.
S. O'BRIEN: All right, thanks, you guys.
Let's take a look at the panda cam. Pandamonium, as we like to say, at the panda's first public appearance in just a week. The media, though, had a chance to check him out live and in person. We're going to give you a sneak preview, live from the National Zoo just ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.
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S. O'BRIEN: We're back, everybody. Live pictures of the U.S. Supreme Court, where a big old chunk fell off the building and landed right on the stairwell.
M. O'BRIEN: Tilting the scales of justice at that, because they were balanced and now -- now, what is it...
COSTELLO: A chunk fell off the authority figure. It was as big as a basketball.
M. O'BRIEN: Was it authority? It was authority?
COSTELLO: Yes, it was authority.
M. O'BRIEN: It was. OK, not justice.
COSTELLO: No, it was authority.
M. O'BRIEN: OK.
COSTELLO: Anyway, it's a big chunk, basketball sized. And then it, you know, splintered into many pieces on the ground.
S. O'BRIEN: That's pretty dangerous.
M. O'BRIEN: Well, we laugh but there were tourists -- there were actually a line of visitors there, and they were not that far away.
COSTELLO: Yes, there was a junior high school class from Columbus, Ohio there.
M. O'BRIEN: And that could have been a terrible story.
S. O'BRIEN: They tried to pick up the shards, right, and they were told by police...
COSTELLO: Yes, don't do that.
S. O'BRIEN: Iksnay on grabbing them up.
M. O'BRIEN: I saw them on eBay this morning.
S. O'BRIEN: Oh, this is exactly where the piece fell off, right there.
M. O'BRIEN: Yes, that little dental there.
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