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Nancy Grace
A mother and her 9-month-old child are found shot to death in their home in a small Massachusetts town. A father is killed in San Francisco, leaving behind a daughter and questions.
Aired January 25, 2006 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight: The stunning deaths of a beautiful 27- year-old woman and her 9-month-old baby daughter rock a small New England town where they were found, and kicking off an international manhunt for the husband and father, his BMW automobile reportedly found parked at Logan International Airport that very day.
And tonight: Violent crime knows no barriers. It affects all of our lives, regardless of race, sex, Ph.D. or GED. And tonight, we need your help. We want to help find two cold-blooded killers on the run, a young San Francisco husband and father no one has profiled until now. His name, Sean Keel, gunned down one block from his own home, victim of carjack and murder. Killers? Two men wearing ski masks. Not much to go on. I know it. But tonight, let`s draw in (ph) together and try.
Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us tonight. Tonight: A man in his prime snuffed out, murdered, cold blood. Why? Well, it`s cold, random violence because it makes no sense. A San Francisco carjacking, police on the hunt for two masked men, two men who we know killed 34-year-old Sean Keel, even though Keel was giving up his car to them. His wife and daughter want your help, and so do we.
But first tonight, an international manhunt launched for this man, 27- year-old Neil Entwistle, now officially named a person of interest in the murders of his own wife, Rachel, and their 9-month-old daughter, Lillian Rose.
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MARTHA COAKLEY, MIDDLESEX COUNTY DA: This afternoon, the medical examiner completed his autopsies on Rachel and Lillian Entwistle. The cause of death to the baby, as we indicated yesterday, is, in fact, a gunshot wound to the torso. The cause of death to the mother, however, is a little bit different from the visual examination of investigators indicated, and upon autopsy, the medical examiner determined that, in fact, she also suffered a gunshot wound to the head.
The car that Neil Entwistle was driving has been found. The police have that vehicle at this time. Investigators also have learned that Neil Entwistle is out of the country, and in fact, have been in contact with him.
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GRACE: Well, that`s certainly quite a coincidence -- the husband, Neil Entwistle, named a person of interest -- the coincidence that he leaves the country the same day his wife and little girl are shot to death.
I want to go to Norman Miller, staff reporter with "The Metrowest Daily News." Norman, thank you for being with us. A couple of quick questions. At first, they couldn`t even determine how these two were killed. I`m taking it, it was a small-caliber weapon, such as a .22?
Norman, are you with me? OK. Not hearing Norman Miller. Elizabeth (ph), let me know when we get a hold of Norman Miller.
NORMAN MILLER, "METROWEST DAILY NEWS": I`m here.
MILLER: Oh, hi, Norman.
MILLER: Hi. Sorry.
GRACE: Go ahead, dear. It is my understanding, at first, they didn`t even realize how -- what the cause of death was. I`m taking it, it was a .22-caliber weapon, a small-caliber weapon?
MILLER: They`re not saying the exact caliber, but they did say small caliber. They`re keeping the exact caliber private at the moment.
GRACE: Norman, are police in contact with Entwistle?
MILLER: I spoke to district attorney Martha Coakley earlier. She said they have contacted him and he has contacted him back, and they`re confident they can get hold of him whenever they want to.
GRACE: Here`s what the district attorney had to say.
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COAKLEY: This afternoon, the medical examiner completed his autopsies on Rachel and Lillian Entwistle. The cause of death to the baby, as we indicated yesterday, is, in fact, a gunshot wound to the torso. The cause of death to the mother, however, is a little bit different from the visual examination of investigators indicated. And upon autopsy, the medical examiner determined that, in fact, she also suffered a gunshot wound to the head. He indicated that he believed that bullet to her head was the cause of death.
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GRACE: Back to Norman Miller with "The Metrowest Daily News." How were the bodies found?
MILLER: They were underneath a blanket in the bed. They looked like they were sleeping. The police, when they first arrived, had no idea there was any foul play. They were suspecting carbon monoxide or something similar.
GRACE: Did either of them own a gun, Norman?
MILLER: Not that the authorities have been able to find out. They`ve only returned to this country recently, in August or September, and they just moved to the house less than two weeks ago.
GRACE: Straight out to John Powers, Internet reporter with "The Action Report." John, tell me about Entwistle`s -- his Web site.
JOHN POWERS, INTERNET REPORTER, "THE ACTION REPORT": Well, he had several Web sites. He left a lot of tracks on the Internet. Both he and his wife had posted a Web site with photos of them on cruises. And he also listed a pair of Web sites, which, apparently, seem to be scams, a multi- marketing-level scam, otherwise commonly known as a pyramid scheme, where you would be soliciting people for money up front and then promising big returns. And he had two of these sites.
What your viewers are seeing now are those pictures from the cruise that they were taken, and it appears that they have a picture-perfect veneer of a happy marriage.
GRACE: John, yes, I went on the Web site, as well. They have a family Web site.
Let`s go to Lauren Howard, psychotherapist. Lauren, this is what we know about the crime. We know that the mother and child, 9-month-old child who looked exactly like the father, were found reposing in their street clothes, not their pajamas, upstairs in the bed. We know that people were coming over as guests for dinner. No one came to the door. The bodies were reported found around 6:30 PM Sunday. We know that it is reported his car found at Logan airport. He is a citizen of Great Britain. We also know there are no reports of domestic unrest.
Now, given the fact of these close-range shootings of the bodies while the mother and child were asleep, psychologically speaking, what does that suggest to you?
LAUREN HOWARD, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, you know, the most important thing to find out here is time of death, in terms of his car being on Logan airport and him being on a manifest leaving on Friday. But the one thing that -- for me, from a psychological point of view, that points -- that makes some sense out of this is these Web sites were the Web sites of a person who had a kind of expeditious agenda in terms of getting rich quickly, you know, sort of phoning it in, making things happen quickly. And this murder was not -- what it`s looking like is they were shot when they were asleep, an expeditious white-out, get rid of it, clean it up, get rich quick, get rid of things quickly, you know, sort of do things in a pragmatic -- forgive the word sociopathic, but -- sociopathic without conscience kind of way...
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GRACE: ... Lauren, is, it reminds me of my theory in the Laci Peterson case...
HOWARD: Right.
GRACE: ... the aspect, the psychological, the mental aspect of shooting someone in their sleep.
HOWARD: Well, you shoot someone in their sleep, you`re not exposing them to horror. You`re not exposing them to fear. It`s kind of a, you know, wash -- it`s expeditious. It`s do it clean and quick and fast. It`s not -- it`s really not personal. I mean, it`s kind of one step removed, as opposed to, say, a violent act of knifing someone, which is an intimate act of passion and violence. This is much more of a sort of clean it up and do it -- you know, tie up all the loose ends kind of way, which the Scott Peterson case was. And in that way, you`re exactly right. It is that sort of going -- you know, sort of on blinders, just sort of taking care of a job.
GRACE: Well, you know, you put out one aspect, Lauren Howard, that it`s a more merciful way to kill someone in their sleep, according to you. And I see that reasoning. In my mind, it`s a way where the perpetrator will get no resistance. Again, Neil Entwistle not an official suspect. He has been named a person of interest.
Here is what the district attorney had to say.
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COAKLEY: ... close to each other, if you can imagine the positioning, because the baby was in front of the mother. So again, when they were discovered, they appeared to be in bed in somewhat in natural positions. They did not appear to be victims of violence at that time.
The car that Neil Entwistle was driving has been found. The police have that vehicle at this time. Investigators also have learned that Neil Entwistle is out of the country, and in fact, have been in contact with him.
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GRACE: To Norman Miller with "Metrowest Daily News." What was the last time anyone had spoken with the wife, Rachel?
MILLER: It was Thursday evening. She spoke to a family member. And that`s the last anyone had heard from her.
GRACE: I want to go to Dr. Warner Spitz, forensic pathologist. Dr. Spitz, it`s amazing to me that at the beginning, no one could determine the cause of death. The people were shot, shot in the bed lying in repose. Why is that?
WARNER SPITZ, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, if the shot is in an area of the scalp where there`s a lot of hair, you might not see a bullet wound, especially if it`s a small caliber. And if the body lies in a way where the shot, the bullet wound is on the up side and the person lies on the other side -- people don`t usually bleed upwards. They bleed downwards. And so if there`s no exit, you may not see a bullet wound. The fact that there`s no bullet wound seen in her torso can be explained by the fact she`s in bed and she`s probably dressed, so they didn`t see it because, again, the hole is very small and the bleeding is very little.
GRACE: To Rahul Manchanda, thank you for being with us, international lawyer. If Entwistle is a British citizen, does that mean he has an EU, European Union, passport?
RAHUL MANCHANDA, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY: Well, it`s a possibility. But you got to remember that the U.S. and the U.K. are very close allies in every way. And if he is, in fact, in Britain, the U.S. probably will have a very easy time of getting him back here. But what has to happen here is that the prosecutor must communicate immediately with the State Department and the Office of International Affairs, the OIA, of the Department of Justice Homeland Security, and communicate with the British law enforcement authorities there to get a provisional authority.
GRACE: Rahul, another question. Scotland Yard allegedly has not been brought into the investigation. Lauren Howard has just reported what the local news are reporting, that the manifest on the plane shows that he went to Great Britain. That has been reported. So why haven`t they been brought in to locate Neil Entwistle?
MANCHANDA: Good question. Well, you know, it`s really in the early stages right now. But you know, we`re not really sure exactly what is going on at this point with Scotland Yard. But what should happen is communication should be going on with the police, the local police in Massachusetts and the local authorities wherever he is, by Interpol, which is an interconnected system of law enforcement throughout the world. Through Interpol, I think, and the State Department, you know, we should be able to get at least a provisional arrest so that he can be seized...
GRACE: What`s that, a provisional arrest?
MANCHANDA: Well, a provisional arrest is simply, you know, an emergency arrest in a situation where a potential suspect may or may not flee with information. And that they way, they can sort of hold him and interrogate him before evidence becomes too cold to gather for the case.
GRACE: To Sam Cammack, defense attorney, joining us out of Houston. Sam, it`s been reported to us that authorities have been in touch with the husband, Neil Entwistle. He`s not a suspect, he`s a person of interest. How bad is he going to look in front of a jury that they`ve called him on the phone and he still hasn`t come back? You don`t think that that indicates some degree of culpability? He knows his wife and daughter, who looks just like him, are dead, and he`s not on the first plane back home?
SAM CAMMACK, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t think it`ll look bad on his culpability or point...
GRACE: Oh, really?
CAMMACK: ... towards his guilt.
GRACE: Why?
CAMMACK: No, Nancy. Well, I believe, at this time, he`s just a person of interest. Obviously, they -- the district attorney`s office is trying to do a complete investigation.
GRACE: You`re kidding, right? You are kidding because if, God forbid, a member of your family died, they were in a car crash, whatever, you wouldn`t go home that minute? You wouldn`t drop what you were doing and go home?
CAMMACK: Well, Nancy, I believe that he`s been forthcoming in contacting the district attorney`s office. Apparently, the investigators had contacted him, he contacted them back. Maybe he`s been in touch with an attorney who advised him not to really discuss the facts of the case or...
GRACE: I`m not talking about discussing the facts, Sam. You`re on the hot seat, buddy. You`re trying to whitewash the fact this guy has not come home. His wife and his baby are dead, and he refuses to come home?
CAMMACK: Well, I`m not sure if he`s refusing to come home. I think he`s been in contact with the district attorney`s office. So I don`t know if he should get on a plane and come back here or not.
GRACE: Well, why not?
CAMMACK: But he`s not a suspect.
GRACE: No, of course, he`s not a suspect. He`s a person of interest.
To Lauren Howard, psychotherapist. Can you put a handle on this? I mean, in my mind, if I were innocent, I would be home in a heartbeat.
HOWARD: There`s no question -- no question about it. It is inconceivable that if this were a random murder, that he would not be on the first plane back. It`s inconceivable to me. I don`t care what his lawyer tells him. It`s -- you know, think about Daniel Horowitz is coming before the press immediately after the murder of his wife. I mean, he didn`t stop to think, What is this going to look like? How -- you know, How am I positioning myself? He was horrified by a random murder. I mean, that`s what happens. A human being has a human response. How he could not come home immediately is incomprehensible to me. And therefore, it is indicative of something. Whether it`s guilt or not, I don`t know, but it`s indicative of something untoward.
GRACE: And very quickly, to Tom McKean, defense attorney. Tom, what do you think, if this goes to a jury trial -- again, this guy`s not an official suspect -- and the jury learns he sits on his thumb over in Great Britain for 48 hours or more before he comes home? They`ll have a field day.
TOM MCKEAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, MIDDLESEX COUNTY: I would agree with you. I think that that`s probably the most damaging thing. It`s been almost four days...
GRACE: Whew!
MCKEAN: -- and he hasn`t even come back to see what`s going on and to assist in the investigation. I think that that is highly damaging to whatever prospects he might have. I think, right now, the district attorney`s office is doing everything they can to try to get him to come back voluntarily.
GRACE: Everybody, the tip line to the Hopkinton police, 508-497-3401.
Quickly, to tonight`s "Case Alert." New developments in the case of Tara Grinstead, the beauty queen turned teacher missing from Ocilla, Georgia. Tara`s brother-in-law says the GBI is harassing him. He has been interviewed multiple times, he even voluntarily took a polygraph this week, while Tara`s sister says she`s never been interviewed, not even once. If you can help the investigation, please call 912-386-2564. There`s a $200,000 reward.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The DA came into the room with some new information, information about the brutal murder of a mother and child, 27- year-old Rachel Entwistle and her 9-month-old daughter, Lillian. Police are still pursuing Neil Entwistle, Rachel`s husband and the father of Lillian. Tonight, investigators have two good leads. Neil`s car has been found, reportedly at Logan airport, but investigators won`t confirm that. They also know that Neil Entwistle is out of the country. They`ve even spoken to him. Entwistle is a native of England.
COAKLEY: He is not on his way back to Massachusetts at this time. Obviously, we`re involved in pursuing him as a person of interest.
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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Can you help us find Neil Entwistle?
I want to go straight back out to staff reporter for with "The Metrowest Daily News," Norman Miller. Norman, I`m trying to get a handle on the facts surrounding the discovery of the bodies. What happened that evening? Were they having a dinner party?
MILLER: They were supposed to be having a get-together, a dinner party for some friends and family on a Saturday. They showed up in the evening, knocked on the door, no answer. All the lights were off. They figured the family had to go somewhere. They left. But when they couldn`t get a hold of them the next day, they grew worried.
GRACE: Who found the bodies?
MILLER: Hopkinton police officers. They had to force their way into the house as part of a routine wellbeing check, and then they found the bodies in the bedroom.
GRACE: Norman, were they wearing their street clothes, or were they in bed in their PJs?
MILLER: It looked like they were wearing their street clothes.
GRACE: To Dr. Warner Spitz, forensic pathologist. Dr. Spitz, we are hearing reports that they cannot pinpoint a time of death. All right, first of all, I`m a little suspicious because they couldn`t figure out the cause of death. Hello! They were shot to death. But tell me, how does it work, Dr. Spitz? How do you determine the time of death based on digestion?
SPITZ: Well, you never actually determine the cause of death. You estimate...
GRACE: Time of death.
SPITZ: Sorry, the -- you do not determine the time of death. You, at best, estimate the time of death based on digestion. There are so factors that enter into consideration, it makes it, at best, a range. So if the -- the rule is that if the stomach contents appears almost undigested, that the ingestion of such food -- that is, the consumption of this food -- occurred roughly within two hours. But beyond that, it`s really difficult to know.
GRACE: We are trying to unlock the mystery of a mother and child found dead in Massachusetts.
To tonight`s "Case Alert." Opening arguments today in the Alaska murder trial of Rachel Waterman (ph), just 16 when she allegedly arranged the murder of her own mother, Lori (ph) Waterman. Why? Over a diet plan. Testimony kicked off today in that Alaska courtroom.
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COAKLEY: We believe that the deaths occurred sometime between Thursday night and possibly Saturday morning. We know that Rachel Entwistle was alive and spoke with someone on Thursday night. We believe that both she and the baby had been killed by Saturday.
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GRACE: Entwistle believed to be in Great Britain. He is a citizen of Great Britain.
To Rahul Manchanda, international law attorney. Rahul, again, thank you for being with us. Can he be forced to return to America? I know there`s no death penalty in Great Britain, as in much of the EU.
MANCHANDA: Right.
GRACE: There is no death penalty in Massachusetts, as well, even though this is a double murder.
MANCHANDA: Well, that`s exactly the point. The European Union actually frowns on the death penalty. And one of the conditions they usually have on the U.S. extradition issue is that, you know, that particular state will refuse to enforce the death penalty -- in other words, get the prosecutor`s office and DA`s office to not allow the death penalty. That can be a sticking point.
However, again, the U.S. and Britain are very close allies, and there shouldn`t be a problem with extradition. But the real challenge here is to get a quick arrest of him, wherever he is, so that he can be interrogated and questioned before valuable evidence and information is lost. And I think that the State Department needs to be reached out to, along with the OIA, with the prosecutor`s office...
GRACE: Right.
MANCHANDA: ... and at least to get him in custody, to find out what the story is before he, you know, manages to seek counsel.
GRACE: To Tom McKean, defense attorney. Tom, you`re there in Boston. What else can you tell us about the case?
MCKEAN: Well, I think the prosecution is moving as quickly as it can, but it`s moving carefully. They would like to be able to get him back voluntarily. That obviously would be the easiest system for anybody to work on. I think the odd thing to me that hasn`t been brought up is here`s somebody, you`ve got a dinner party Saturday night, he leaves for England on Friday? Seems a little odd to me.
GRACE: Do you believe that they were dead on Friday, Tom?
MCKEAN: I have no evidence, no knowledge one way or the other. But yes, it would appear to me that that would be the likely situation.
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VANESSA KEEL, DAUGHTER OF SEAN KEEL: Hello, Daddy. I want you to come home right now because I don`t feel good. Bye. I love you.
Hi, Daddy. I hope you get better. I love you.
Hello, Daddy. Can you come home? I love you. Bye.
I hope you feel better. I hope you get out (INAUDIBLE) because we miss you. Bye.
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GRACE: Those are phone messages left by a 4-year-old little girl. Her name, Vanessa. This is her father. Her father now just a statistic out of San Francisco, California.
After multiple promises by politicians and police to lower the crime rate there, this is one of the bloodiest years in nearly a decade. Crime doesn`t know barriers. It doesn`t know white, black, rich, poor, PhD or GED. And tonight, this family is suffering. And tonight, we ask for your help.
Straight out to staff writer with the "San Francisco Chronicle," Simone Sebastian. Simone, thank you for being with us. Please tell me about Sean Keel.
SIMONE SEBASTIAN, "SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE": Hi, Nancy. Well, what police have told us is that they`re looking into a lot of possible leads and motives in this case, but it`s very difficult. There`s not a whole lot to go on.
Sean called police after he had been shot around 2:00 in the morning on Saturday. And he said that his car had been taken by two people who have not been identified yet. But they did shoot him. They took the car and shot him with a high-powered gun that police believe may have been a machine gun. He died at the hospital.
GRACE: A machine gun? Hold on. Whoa, whoa, wait, wait.
Elizabeth, is my earpiece not working? Did I hear the lady say a machine gun, a submachine gun MAC-11. Am I right? Is that right, Simone? There are people driving around with submachine guns?
SEBASTIAN: Unfortunately, it`s believed that that is possibly the case, that this man was shot with a machine gun multiple times in his stomach.
GRACE: It`s also my understanding, Simone, that he was giving up the car. He was trying to give him the car, and they shot him multiple times in the stomach anyway.
SEBASTIAN: Well, you know, police weren`t there. He did speak to police from his cellphone and tried to describe the situation. But obviously, he was in a bad situation. And, unfortunately, it turned out this way.
GRACE: To Tim Goodman with the "San Francisco Chronicle," Tim Goodman, it wasn`t just him on the phone. He called from his cellphone to 911, but he gave statements en route to the hospital, substantial statements.
And tonight, still not very much from police. I don`t know if the assailants -- yes, I know this they were wearing ski masks. But I don`t know -- were they white? Were they black? Were they Asian? Were they Hispanic? Did they take the money? Do we have a bullet? Is this BMW car being processed? Are there fingerprints?
I mean, Tim, I mean, I don`t mean to take it out on you, but help me out there. How can I help, if I`m not getting any information from the police?
TIM GOODMAN, TV CRITIC, "SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE": Right. Well, you know, that`s been a problem in San Francisco. And I think that`s -- you know, these kind of crimes are the ones that really are not getting a lot of notice.
GRACE: What kind of crimes? Tell it. Tell it. What kind of crimes?
GOODMAN: Well, I think you`re talking about urban crimes. I think that the reason I wrote my story, after reading Simone`s story, is I was torn up by what Vanessa said. It`s very touching and it`s very heartbreaking. And I think that we just don`t see that kind of stuff on television much.
We see a lot of stuff where we have white women gone missing, white guy goes off on a cruise ship. We don`t really see a lot of urban crime, a lot of people of color who are killed and have their tragedies and their stories to tell. We don`t see a lot of that on there. Now...
GRACE: You know what, Tim? This is reminding me of actually one of the first carjack murder cases in my old jurisdiction. And I recall I had never heard of a carjack murder before. And the guy in that case -- this was over 10 years ago, Tim -- was killed for the rims, rims on his car.
And the reason I remember is a man came running out of his house after the carjack murder, and he didn`t know what to do for the victim. And all he could do was put a bed pillow up under his head while he died out on the street. And when I learned about this case through you, it reminded me of that.
Joining me right now is Sergeant Neville Gittens, PIO with the San Francisco Police Department. Sir, what can you tell me about these perps?
SGT. NEVILLE GITTENS, SAN FRANCISCO POLICE DEPARTMENT: Well, so far we have little information about the perpetrators of this crime or what we consider suspects in this crime. These individuals were wearing ski masks. We are looking for the public`s help. And there`s a lot of information that we can let the public know to assist us in trying to identify these suspects.
GRACE: Well, what can you tell me about them? I know they were wearing ski masks. But certainly, we know whether they were white, black, Asian, Hispanic. I mean, what can you tell me?
GITTENS: We believe they were black males in this case. And one of the things that we`re looking at, which hopefully will provide us with some leads, is we are having that vehicle processed by our crime scenes investigation unit. We should be able to get some information from that part of the investigation, in terms of the processing of the vehicle.
One of the key things that we`re looking at here is -- and as you mentioned, this was a case, as it appears right now, of a robbery, a carjacking.
GRACE: Did they take the rims?
GITTENS: Yes, they did. The car was recovered less than a mile away from where this tragic incident occurred. And the rims and the tires were missing. And we`re in the process of developing information in terms of what type of rims they were...
GRACE: Well, you know where those rims are. Those rims have been sold. That car has got to have fingerprints on it. And if you get the bullet -- could you recover any bullets?
GITTENS: Well, I can`t go into the specifics in terms of how the crime scene was processed, but I can say that the car was recovered, the rims (INAUDIBLE) and we hope to have pictures of those rims available so that we can put it out to the public. We will make that information available via our Internet and we will have a crime bulletin to describe those rims.
So obviously, if anybody has seen these rims or anybody knows about somebody that has had these rims, that`s the information that we`re looking for on our tip line.
GRACE: To Hillah Katz, a former prosecutor, now defense attorney, explain to me, Hillah, why is it that rims have somehow in our society turned into something you kill over?
HILLAH KATZ, TRIAL ATTORNEY: You know, Nancy, you`d be surprised to see how many cases that we have in our jurisdiction where there are a murder over rims. Because anytime somebody has something that somebody else wants, that`s exactly what they take.
And whatever kind of money they can get for those rims or any of those other accessories of this suped-up BMW made Sean Keel unfortunately a target for these two people in the ski mask.
And one of the most important things for the police to do is to search for what types of people in those community are walking around with those types of guns. Their intelligence should let them know who in the urban communities have access to those types of weapons. And that`s where they should be going.
GRACE: And also, Hillah, you`re absolutely right. And you and I have done it a million times. If you`ve got the bullet, you can match it up directly to the gun. It is like a fingerprint.
Joining me in a studio in San Francisco, I`m hearing in my ear right now, is a very special guest to me, Rosa Keel. This is Mr. Keel`s wife.
Ms. Keel, thank you for being with us.
ROSA KEEL, SEAN KEEL`S WIFE: Thank you, Miss Grace.
GRACE: First of all, our sympathies. And those phone messages your girl was leaving to her daddy, does she think that he can hear her?
R. KEEL: For her, I believe so. She`s very young, and she`s confused right now. And for her -- to give her peace of mind, she asked me if she could continue calling Daddy. And I told her, yes, she could. But however, she keeps asking, "When is he going to come home?" She understands where he`s at, but she wants to go pick him up and bring him home.
GRACE: Ms. Keel, what do you think happened?
R. KEEL: All I know is that -- I know he was on his way home to us from his job. And I just think that someone just saw the car, they thought that it was an opportunity. And I don`t know what they did, but they shouldn`t have done what they did to my husband. They shouldn`t have done that.
He`s lost. He`s going to be greatly missed. And I`m asking the Bayview community that, anyone that knows anything, to please get in contact with the investigators that are working on this case. I`m begging you, please, help us, so that we can have some type of closure and go on with our lives.
If we don`t find the murderers that did this to Sean, there`s going to be no closure for us. That`s what I`m asking, the Bayview community to please help. Anyone, anyone, please, please help.
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V. KEEL: Hey, Daddy. Leave me a message. Bye. I love you. (INAUDIBLE) I`m so sorry you died. But sometimes it happens, but sometimes it doesn`t. But you have to go the other way, the protect way, cannot go the back of the way. Understand? In the picture I saw. I love you. Bye.
Hi, Daddy. Leave me a message. Bye. I hope you get better. I miss you.
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R. KEEL: Hi, honey, it`s me. I just wanted to say that I love you. And Vanessa wanted to call you, so I`ll just (INAUDIBLE)
V. KEEL: Hey, Daddy. Leave me a message. Bye. I love you. (INAUDIBLE) I`m so sorry you died. But sometimes it happens, but sometimes it doesn`t. But you have to go the other way, the protect way, cannot go the back of the way. Understand? In the picture I saw. I love you. Bye.
Hi, Daddy. Leave me a message. Bye. I hope you get better. I miss you.
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GRACE: How do you tell a 5-year-old baby girl that her dad is not picking up these messages, that her dad is a victim of random violence? Won`t you help us tonight?
The tip line to help solve the murder of Sean Keel, this young man in the prime of his life. He leaves behind a beautiful wife, a 5-year-old girl, Vanessa, 4-year-old girl, Vanessa, and a five-month-old little girl, Jasmine.
That tip line, 415-575-4444.
Now, here`s a guy working it, working late into the evening at a valet company that was left to him by his father. Coming home, only a block away from his home. Carjack, murder, it`s over just like that.
We`re getting very little information from the police tonight. But with us is Sergeant Neville Gittens, the PIO from the San Francisco Police Department. Sergeant Gittens, thank you for being with us. What is happening in the crime rate, the murder rate in San Francisco? There were a lot of promises it was going to go down. It isn`t.
GITTENS: Well, we`re dedicating as many resources as we can. In particular with this case, we have officers from four investigative units working this case. We have robbery, we have homicide, we have our gang task force working it. And we`re dedicating as many resources as we can.
We`re appealing to the public to give us the information. Right now, at this point, we have no witnesses to this crime. So we hope that, by airing this information, that somebody will come...
GRACE: Well, what do you need, Sergeant? What can we do for you? What information do you need? I didn`t even know even the race. I understand now they`re African-American, ski masks. I understand that there are two. In the A.P. wires I`ve read, I understand that you believe that they are young. Give me something. Help me help you.
GITTENS: Well, when you have a situation like this where, you know, we have no witnesses, and that`s the case, we`re hoping that either leads can be developed from the vehicle or from the fact that these special wheels have been stolen and/or if somebody in the community knows people that were out there doing these types of crimes. I mean, this is a very vicious -- this is a very vicious crime.
GRACE: It`s horrific.
GITTENS: We have a situation where all indications are that the victim was giving up his vehicle. And at some point in time, the suspects decided to shoot him. So this is a very vicious crime.
We`re looking at other things in the area that might have occurred. We`re looking at other carjackings that might have occurred in the area. And we believe that, you know, you can`t just walk away with these types of wheels. They`re very specific.
GRACE: You know, another interesting point -- and I don`t mean to cut you off, Sergeant -- I want to go to Rosa before we end our segment. Ms. Keel, he normally got tips and would come home with a couple hundred bucks cash at night.
R. KEEL: Yes, he would.
GRACE: And this was a business he got from his father, right?
R. KEEL: Correct.
GRACE: Now, have you recovered his belongings? Have police given them to you? Was the cash stolen, as well?
R. KEEL: That I don`t know. And I have not recovered his belongings yet because they`re still investigating, from what I was told. But as soon as either they catch someone or -- I`m confident that once the investigation is over I`ll be able to get my husband`s belongings back.
GRACE: Ms. Keel, I know that one of your fears, in addition to dealing with bringing up your girls without their father, is that your husband, Sean Keel`s, murder will be forgotten and go unsolved. Why do you fear that?
R. KEEL: Because I just -- you know, I looked on the San Francisco Web site. And there`s a lot of murders from last year that have remained unsolved. And I just don`t want him to fall through the cracks.
Again, you know, I want the community -- I know someone knows something out there. And please, just call anonymously. You don`t have to give your name. But just please, please, please give that information. If you know who did it, just let the police -- tell the police, and let the police handle it.
GRACE: I`m going to give that tip line, Ms. Keel. Again, it`s confidential. Please, don`t leave this mother, this wife, to suffer. Don`t let her children grow up wondering what happened to their father, 415-575-4444. We will be right back with our reporters on the case, Tim Goodman and Simone Sebastian.
Very quickly to tonight`s "All-Points Bulletin." FBI and law enforcement on the lookout for this man, Fethi Jelassi, wanted in connection with 2000 Cleveland shooting deaths of 31-year-old David Settle and his mother, 58-year-old Patsy Settle.
Jelassi is 51, 5`7", 185 pounds, black hair, brown eyes. If you have information on Fethi Jelassi, please call the FBI, 216-522-1400.
Local news next for some of you, but we`ll all be right back. And remember, live coverage of a 16-year-old New Mexico boy on trial for the shooting death of his family, 3:00 to 5:00 Eastern, Court TV.
Everyone, please stay with us just a few more moments as we stop to remember Sergeant Christopher Heflin, just 26, an American hero.
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GRACE: You`re taking a look at a MAC-11 submachine gun. Believe it or not, while you are traveling the roads in your car, there are people around you with these in their midst. One of these claimed the life of a young man in his prime, the father of two, Sean Keel, gunned down, San Francisco. Why? Over the rims on his car.
Can you help us tonight? The tip line in this case, 415-575-4444.
To Tim Goodman of the "San Francisco Chronicle," Tim, when I take a look at that weapon, a submachine gun? I mean, what`s happening in San Francisco? I mean, the conviction rates on murders in the inner city down. Why?
GOODMAN: I have no idea. I don`t know what`s going on in San Francisco. I just -- I read the story today or the other day. And the thing that moved me was I thought it`s time that the national media got out here. This is the kind of story you can`t let fall in the cracks.
GRACE: Could you tell me about the crime rate? Are you familiar with the stats on the crime rates there in San Francisco?
GOODMAN: I`m not, no.
GRACE: What about it, Simone? Crime rate up or down?
SEBASTIAN: It`s hard to say, Nancy. I don`t usually cover the crime rates in San Francisco. But they`re definitely an issue and particularly in this neighborhood, the Bayview neighborhood.
GRACE: Well, I happen to have some stats right in front of me. And this year, this last year, 2005, one of the bloodiest in the last decade in San Francisco.
Before we sign off, Ms. Keel, thank you for being with us tonight.
R. KEEL: Thank you for having me.
GRACE: And how are your girls?
R. KEEL: Well, the five-month, of course, she`s not going to remember this. But my -- I`m worried about my 4 1/2 year old. And she`s starting to act out. And she keeps asking for her daddy. And she`s not believing that he`s gone, that he`s passed, so...
GRACE: Ms. Keel, thank you for being with us. And our prayers are with you tonight. Thank you.
R. KEEL: Thank you.
GRACE: Thank you to Ms. Keel and thank you to all of our guests. Our biggest thank you is to you for inviting us and this story into your homes.
Coming up, headlines from all around the world. I`m Nancy Grace signing off again for tonight. See you right here tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp. Until then, good night, friend.
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