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The body of missing 26-year-old Georgia mother Sueann Ray is found in a shallow grave off a dirt road, and Ray`s estranged husband, Quinton, is arrested for her murder; Entwistle Murder Case Still a Mystery

Aired February 08, 2006 - 20:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Tonight, breaking news in Georgia. The body of 26-year-old missing woman Suann Ray is found, and her estranged husband charged with her murder.
Plus, major developments in the Massachusetts double murder of 27- year-old mom Rachel Entwistle and her 9-month-old baby girl, Lillian. Husband and father Neil Entwistle has not returned from his native England, and tonight, there are reports police have videotapes of him at Boston`s Logan International Airport.

Plus, a tragic story of the Haleigh Poutre, the adopted 11-year-old girl beaten so badly, she is on life support. As she clings to life tonight, fingerpointing about her past and legal battles over her future.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, sitting in for Nancy Grace tonight. Breaking news in the mom and baby double murder case out of Massachusetts. Police reportedly seize Logan International Airport surveillance tapes showing father and husband Neil Entwistle as he prepares to fly to his native England. Entwistle has refused to come back to the United States since his wife, Rachel, and 9-month-old daughter, Lillian, were found shot to death in their home.

And tonight, a heartbreaking story of a beautiful 11-year-old adopted girl nearly beaten to death. As she clings to life in her hospital bed, a growing legal battle is waged over every breath she takes.

But first, breaking news. The body of missing Georgia woman Sueann Ray has been found. Her estranged husband, Quinton Ray, is arrested and charged with her death.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s been horrible. It`s been a nightmare. It`s like it`s a bad dream and you just don`t wake up

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He swears he didn`t kill her. He swears he`ll take a polygraph. I talked to his attorney and I told his attorney that I would pay for the polygraph, and he don`t take a polygraph.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... one of the few that still do believe she`s still alive. But as the days pass on, I don`t know. We wasn`t together a lot. She had her own living and her own life and doing her own stuff. I don`t know what went on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was up getting her car work done by her husband at his automobile shop in Jasper. That was the last place that she was seen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During the undercover phase of the investigation, we were able to develop information which led us to that site this morning. We believe she was killed in Pickens County, at the home of Quinton Ray.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go straight out to Don Plummer, a reporter for the "Atlanta Journal-Constitution" who has been covering this case from the beginning. Don, lots of big news. What is the very latest tonight?

DON PLUMMER, "ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION": Well, day 164 turned out to be the day that Sueann Ray`s family had both hoped for and feared all along. Her body was discovered, her estranged husband arrested, and most startlingly, I`ve learned and we`re reporting in tomorrow`s "Atlanta Journal-Constitution" that Quinton Ray was actually the source of the information that led the agents to her grave.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s pretty fascinating stuff because there had been a lot of speculation because there was a $106,000 reward for any tip -- that reward was not given out. There was some speculation perhaps a relative might have been involved because a brother had recently been arrested. But you`re saying no. You`re saying the suspect himself gave the information, according to authorities?

PLUMMER: That`s what authorities confirmed this evening when I speak with them. They say that an undercover operative, who had been working the case for some time, had already given them enough information to arrest Ray, but they were waiting on the location of the body. John Kagle (ph), lead investigator, said, That`s what we were going for.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you`re telling me now -- and I want to make sure I understand this correctly -- that Quinton Ray told the location of the body?

PLUMMER: That`s correct. That`s what they`re telling me tonight, and that`s the latest information about the case that`s had an awful lot of startling turns.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. There was a news conference this afternoon. Let`s listen to what authorities had to say then.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- that during the undercover phase of the investigation, we were able to develop information which led us to that site this morning. We believe she was killed in Pickens County, at the home of Quinton Ray.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We want to mention the brother was arrested on unrelated charges. There is absolutely no evidence that he had anything to do with this case whatsoever. We want to stress that.

We have on the phone with us tonight Danny Jenkins, the father of Sueann. First of all, we want to say here at NANCY GRACE, all of our condolences are with you tonight, sir. Our hearts are with you. Our prayers are with you. We are so sorry and thank you in this very, very terrible time for you for taking the time to speak with us tonight.

How did you find out your daughter`s body had been found, sir?

DANNY JENKINS, SUEANN RAY`S FATHER: The GBI called me at about 10 minutes after 9:00 this morning and asked me to come to Jasper, and they told me that Quinton had been arrested and that they believed that they had found Sueann`s body.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I know this is probably the most awful thing that a parent can ever hear. Is there also, because she had been missing since August, some kind of closure for you and your family? All of you have been through such hell.

JENKINS: I hope it will be closure. I just don`t know. Every day turns up something different, and I just hope that this is the end of it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell us about Sueann. She`s a beautiful, beautiful young woman, a mother. Tell us about her character.

JENKINS: She was -- I guess, as one reporter put it, she was spunky. She was -- she was just a delight to be around, a great mother. Just -- she didn`t deserve what she got.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Please stand by, sir. We want to get a little bit more information on exactly where your daughter`s body was found.

Let`s go back to Don Plummer. We understand it was found off a dirt road, up a hill, in a grave, but also significant in terms of where this area was close to, property-wise. Tell us about that.

PLUMMER: Yes. It was relatively close to some property owned by Quinton Ray`s parents. And it`s not terribly far from his home, although it`s in an adjacent county. The property is very remote. There`d be no way that you could easily find the location. It was up a fairly steep hill on a slight plateau, on the other side of a creek. So someone would have had to have carried the body some distance to get there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And wasn`t there some kind of disagreement where authorities had wanted to search some property of Quinton Ray`s family and they had resisted that?

PLUMMER: Right. Initially, Quinton Ray`s family refused the right to search. After sometime in December, they allowed the GBI to come onto property they owned, and at that time, they found nothing that they said that would solve the case. However, this property is on the same road, but I do stress not on the same property they own.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right. Got you there.

Let`s go straight to Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky, forensic scientist -- noted forensic scientist. What can you tell us now about this body, based on what you`ve heard this evening.

LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, first of all, the area in which the body was found is the crime scene. There may be physical evidence. That needs to be collected. That will tie the husband to the case.

This -- the body will be skeletonized at this point, and therefore, it has to be aged. The gender has to be determined, the sex, the stature, all of this has to be determined. It has to be identified. And that would be done through dental or other types of methods. And then the cause of death must be determined.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But in terms of tying this to other evidence and making a case against the defendant, who obviously is presumed innocent -- he is just charged right now, he has not been convicted -- when a body`s deteriorated, does it make it harder to prove a case against someone?

KOBILINSKY: Well, it may or it may not. The soft tissue is going to be gone. But I think what`s important now is the cause of death. Was it due to a bullet shot? Was it due to a knife, a stabbing? Was it due to strangulation? Could it have been blunt impact? Once we know the cause of death, it will help us understand what surrounded the death, and that may be important in tying the suspect.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And once again, Quinton Ray charged, not convicted of anything. Let`s hear what he had to say before he was arrested, during the search for Sueann.

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RAY: ... one of the few that still do believe she`s still alive, but as the days pass on, I don`t know. We wasn`t together, you know, a lot. She had her own living, her own life and doing her own stuff. I don`t know what went on.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Former prosecutor Nelda Blair, authorities are now saying they considered him a suspect from day one, but now they`re just saying that to us. They had said person of interest before. Why do they do that?

NELDA BLAIR, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Because it`s an investigation. And just like the information that they had with them and the information that they had with this undercover operation, they don`t make it public until they know that they have a case in hand, and now they do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And of course, this has been total hell, torture for the family of Sueann. Let`s listen to Sueann`s sister.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... you know (INAUDIBLE) any worse than this. I don`t know. I just don`t know. It`s tough. It`s tough (ph) not knowing where your little girl is, whether she`s laying out in the woods rotting or whether she went through a wood chipper, like I been told, whether she was fed to his daddy`s hogs, like I were told, or whether she`s buried in concrete.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I believe that is another family member, not the sister.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) her mom, and she wants her mom back. And...

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But the point is made. Obviously, this has been hellish for the family.

Let`s go to clinical psychologist Pat Saunders. Pat, obviously, Quinton Ray innocent until and if proven guilty. We don`t know all the facts in the case. But seems to be a rash of these cases of husbands accused of killing their wives. Is there an epidemic, is there a major problem, a societal problem in America today?

PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: It`s not a recent problem, but it is a major one. And there is an epidemic of murdered women. Thirty percent are killed by intimate partners.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why? What`s going on?

SAUNDERS: Issues around control, where the partner -- and it`s usually the males who are killing their female partners or wives -- their sense of their self is so determined by their being able to control their woman or by having a woman that if the woman leaves, then they will kill. We call that an estrangement homicide, and it looks like that may have happened here with Sueann Ray and her husband.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They were estranged for several months when this incident occurred.

SAUNDERS: Yes. And she reportedly had a new relationship. And Quinton made some terrorist threats against him, which he got arrested for.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely.

Let`s go back out to Don Plummer about that. One of the breaks in this case was when Quinton Ray apparently got into a fight, some sort of, I believe, bar fight with some guy. What was -- how did that connect to this case?

PLUMMER: Well, that`s the person who he believed was having an affair with Sueann. And they saw each other at a country music venue sometime in September. The man called police in Woodstock, where the original report was made of the crime, and they believed at that time that Quinton was going to be arrested again. However, there was a mix-up in the paperwork, and his bail requirements did not specify that he could not be near the man.

But it was pretty obvious all the way through this case that there was an awful lot of jealousy. There was anger. There had been police reports of attacks by Quinton Ray on his wife. And they had been separated for seven months. She had moved into a new apartment, had begun making a new life, and in fact, was making plans that evening to enroll Charity (ph), her 6-year-old daughter, in cheerleading.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go back to Danny Jenkins, Sueann Ray`s father. You have a beautiful 6-year-old granddaughter. There is a huge custody battle over this child. How do these developments affect that custody battle?

JENKINS: Well, I talked to Charity this afternoon, and she said that her momma`s in heaven and she`s an angel. And there will be no more custody battle. Everything`s fine. Everything`s OK.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you mean, everything`s fine? Who is she going to be living with? Is she going to be living with you?

JENKINS: She`s going to be staying with her Godmother until she gets out of school, and then after that, we`ll drop back and punt and see what else we need to do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Imagine a 6-year-old trying to grasp the enormity of this situation. It boggles the mind. We do have now Sueann`s sister`s comments.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s missing her momma. She wants her mom back, and she doesn`t understand why they can`t find her.

It`s been horrible. It`s been a nightmare. It`s like it`s a bad dream and you just don`t wake up.

She`s my only sister, and somebody took her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: To criminal profiler Pat Brown. It seems like couples fight about the same things. I mean, it`s no great mystery. The experts will tell you it`s either sex or money or power or work or the kids. It`s the same thing over and over again. We`re always hearing the same themes, the same patterns.

PAT BROWN: Well, exactly. But you know, when a man actually decides to kill his partner, people say, Why did he kill her instead of just solving the problems? Well, let me tell you, if you kill somebody, you don`t have any more problems, if you don`t get caught. But if you just get divorced and you`re having these problems, you`re going to have an emotional relationship that lasts forever, you have child custody battles that last forever. These people are in your life and all kinds of problems will continue.

But if you can just get rid of the person that`s causing you the problems, then you can just go on smoothly. And we think, How ridiculous, you don`t kill somebody just so life is smoother for you. Well, in some people`s minds, that`s exactly what you do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And of course, it never gets smoother, it only gets a whole lot worse.

BROWN: Only if you get caught. Only if you get caught.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And when we come back, we want to talk a little bit with our psychiatrist or (INAUDIBLE) tonight about the impact on the 6- year-old girl losing her mommy.

To tonight`s "Case Alert." New developments in the case of the missing groom George Smith. Blaming a busy schedule, forensic doctor Henry Lee indefinitely postponed his trip to the Bahamas to conduct experiments in search of new clues. Lee had been planning to throw a mannequin off a Royal Caribbean cruise ship similar to the one Smith was aboard when he disappeared during his Mediterranean honeymoon last July. Smith`s widow, Jennifer Hagel Smith, retained Dr. Lee to investigate.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ve got some breaking news to tell you about out of our nation`s capital. The U.S. Senate office building was evacuated after sensors reported the possibility -- and I stress possibility -- of a nerve agent in the building. Alarms sounded in the Russell Senate Building at about 7:00 o`clock this evening. Police ordered some 200 staffers out of the building, apparently including some senators, and into the parking garage, where last we heard, they remain. We will stay on top of this breaking story and bring you developments as they come in.

I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, sitting in tonight for Nancy Grace. And we have been telling you about the other breaking news this evening, in the case of Sueann Ray. The body of a Georgia woman who had been missing since last summer has been found, and her estranged husband, Quinton Ray, charged tonight in her death.

We would like to go to our psychologist, Pat Saunders, right off the top and ask you about this 6-year-old girl, her daughter, Charity and how she is going to possibly at all process the sort of mind-boggling information, mommy`s gone, and as her grandfather said, mommy`s in heaven.

SAUNDERS: Well, that`s one way that children process it, is to think that mommy`s an angel. On the positive side, it`s in a way reassuring to her that her mother didn`t abandon her, that something very bad happened to mommy, and mommy`s and angel now. But the real tragedy is that Charity`s lost both of her parents because her father`s going to go to jail for a very long time for this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: If he`s convicted.

SAUNDERS: If he`s convicted.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we talked so much about closure. Does closure mean anything for a 6-year-old?

SAUNDERS: No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or is that beyond their grasp?

SAUNDERS: It`s beyond their grasp. Children live in the now and they really can`t think about the future. Also on the positive side, she clearly has a loving family with Dan Jenkins and the rest of the family that we`ve heard from, which will go a long way helping her heal.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let`s go back to Danny Jenkins, Sueann Ray`s father. I know, once again, this is a very, very, very tough time for you. We thank you for taking the time to talk to us. What are your plans for Charity? Is there any therapy planned? How are you going to help her try to regain a normal life after this enormous tragedy?

JENKINS: Well, she goes to therapy every Thursday, and we`re just going to give her -- try to make her life as normal as it can. You know, I got my mother, and if somebody -- if my mother was to leave today, I would be devastated. So it`s going to be tough.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And of course, this case is just beginning. Don Plummer, very briefly, there is an arraignment planned soon for Quinton Ray?

PLUMMER: Well, Jane, his first appearance will be tomorrow morning. A magistrate judge will tell him the charges against him and then tell him that he will have to wait on a superior court judge to set bond, if that`s available. John Kagle, the agent leading the case, says he doesn`t believe this is the last arrest in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, that`s interesting. We`re going to get back to that in just a moment. Stay right there.

To tonight`s "Trial Tracking." Joseph Duncan, accused of wiping out an Idaho family last year, says in a recent letter God ordered him to return one family member, 9-year-old kidnap victim Shasta Groene.

Duncan writes, and I quote here, "God himself appeared between me and Shasta, and commanded me to take her home immediately, so I did. I don`t know why he did not appear to me sooner. You`ll have to take that question up with God." Duncan continues, and I quote, "Killing me will not kill the sickness that is in the world that causes this to happen," end quote.

Duncan is charged with murdering Brenda Groene, her boyfriend, Mark McKenzie, and her two sons, 13-year-old Slade and 9-year-old Dylan. Duncan is also charged with the kidnap of Shasta and Dylan.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The van was found at the Wal-Mart parking lot, backed in perfectly straight, and she can`t back anything up.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, sitting in tonight for Nancy Grace. Sueann Ray was 26 years old when she died. Tonight, her husband is accused of doing it.

Let`s go straight out to Don Plummer, reporter for "The Atlanta Journal-Constitution." You told us something pretty extraordinary as we went to break, that they are expecting the possibility of another arrest in this case? Tell us about that.

PLUMMER: Right. John Kagle, the lead agent, today said he believes there may be additional arrests in this case. Several things support that theory. One is that there was a flurry of phone calls right after Sueann Ray went missing between Quinton Ray and family and friends. The car was found some 20 miles away from his home. Whoever abandoned the car there would have had to have someone pick them up. And the other thing is that bodies are very difficult to carry. Even a 110-body, despite Quinton Ray being a very strong man, would be very difficult to dispose of single- handedly

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go to defense attorney Jason Oshins. If you are Quinton Ray`s attorney, what do you do with all of this?

OSHINS: Jane, the first you do is you tell your client to keep quiet. Obviously, he`s cooperated in the past with investigators voluntarily. At this point, they`ve arrested him. So the first you do is you say that, You`re only talking to me, and we`re not cooperating anymore.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But Nelda Blair, former prosecutor, isn`t it tough to see how big a case, how strong a case prosecutors have, when we don`t know the condition of the body?

BLAIR: Well, we don`t know the condition of the body, but we do know that the man talked. And although his defense lawyer is definitely telling him to stay quiet now, it might be a little late. He`s the one that gave away the position of the body, and I think that there`s probably a lot more that he gave away that the investigators now know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Kobilinsky, we don`t have very much time, but the body is crucial here.

KOBILINSKY: Absolutely. The physical evidence and the autopsy has to support this so-called confession. And the fact is, again, as I said, since the soft tissue is gone, we may not know the cause of death. There may be no indication of trauma to the body. And that means there`s still questions left unanswered.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And just to reiterate, this woman went missing August 26. That`s more than five months ago. Her body was moved, apparently, according to authorities, from one county to the other. So that makes it tough. It could have been badly damaged.

KOBILINSKY: Absolutely. And the prosecutor, if he`s going to make the case, is going to have to account step by step for how the woman was killed, transported, and buried at that site.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family has every confidence that the Middlesex district attorney`s office, Martha Coakley office, along with the Massachusetts State Police and the Hopkinton Police Department will solve this case and bring to justice those responsible.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell sitting in tonight for Nancy Grace.

Startling new developments in the case of Neil Entwistle, whose wife and infant daughter were gunned down in their Massachusetts home around the time Neil was catching a flight to England. Now, state police have seized surveillance tapes as evidence. The tapes show Neil Entwistle at Logan Airport. And the key question: How was he behaving?

For the very latest, let`s go straight out to Joe Dwinell, associate editor at "The Boston Herald," who has been tracking this case from the very start. Joe, what can you tell us about these surveillance tapes?

JOE DWINELL, ASSOCIATE EDITOR, "BOSTON HERALD": Well, two key things, Jane. One, he`s alone. Secondly, he`s coolly walking through Logan heading towards his British Airways flight.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, now, I have to say, this is a story that you guys broke. CNN has not been able to independently confirm this. But I have to ask you: How many surveillance tapes are we talking about?

We know he left his SUV BMW in the garage. And then obviously we all know that, as we go through the airport, there are various cameras that catch us, when we go through security, whatnot. So are we talking about one or two shots or we talking about dozens of shots?

DWINELL: Well, a state official tells us that he has information that he is seen, Neil Entwistle is seen. So there are multiple ways of taking video of him. This official tells the "Herald" that he is seen walking through. He is calmly going through Logan Airport.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, Pat Brown, criminal profiler, what does this tell us if Neil Entwistle is cool, calm and collected going to England through the airport?

PAT BROWN: Well, it doesn`t tell us a lot, Jane, because an awful lot of people who commit crimes can look cool and calm afterward. Why? Because the crime has been committed, it`s over, and now they`re into a new act.

People have said, "Well, that guy showed up at work and he seemed perfectly normal," even though he had killed his wife just an hour before arriving at work. And this is a very common thing.

There are two parts of lives, one act, two acts. So unless he`s in the middle of committing the crime and right after committing a crime, he`s not necessarily going to act peculiar.

And we don`t know that Neil Entwistle is involved in anything. He may simply have been catching his plane. But what he was doing from the time he went from his car -- from his vehicle to the plane was nothing that he wouldn`t have done on another ordinary day. So he`s just following a pattern, if he had, indeed, committed a crime prior to that.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... of course that he left the SUV there at the airport. This was a one-car family, so effectively he is stranding the family. Why would somebody do that?

BROWN: That`s the weird part. That`s really the weird part. What is weird is what he did before that, why he would do these things at all, when he got the ticket, why he`s leaving town, why he`s taking the vehicle and leaving his wife stranded. Those are the real behaviors that we`re worried about, not exactly his behaviors from the vehicle into the airport.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let`s hear what the district attorney has to say about all that.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We believe that the death occurred -- the deaths occurred sometime between Thursday night and possibly Saturday morning. We know that Rachel Entwistle was alive and spoke with someone on Thursday night. We believe that both she and the baby had been killed by Saturday.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And go back to the time line, let`s go back to Joe, associate editor of "The Boston Herald." There`s been some debate as to when exactly when he took this flight. Do those surveillance tapes narrow that down?

DWINELL: Yes, to 8:00, 8:15 in the morning on Saturday. British Airways, one-way flight to England.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So what does that tell us, former prosecutor Nelda Blair? We`re seeing now this time line get narrower and narrower.

BLAIR: It tells us that, most likely, he killed them and then left town. I think this is an excellent case that the prosecutor has. Now, granted, all the details aren`t in because he`s not talking and they haven`t had a chance to interview him. But every detail we have so far points to his involvement or guilt.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we want to say, of course, that there is the presumption of innocence. Neil Entwistle is not charged with anything. He`s not even considered a suspect. He is a person of interest, and we have extended numerous invitations from this show to him or any of his representatives, if they want to come here and tell their side of the story. We want to hear it.

But of course, you`re right. He went to England. And the most suspicious part, according to most people, is that he did not come back for the funeral of his wife and baby daughter. And then when detectives from Massachusetts flew all the way across the pond, as they say, to talk to him, he apparently did take a two-hour drive from his parent`s home outside London to central London. But then, once he got there, he did not speak.

So let`s ask our clinical psychologist, Pat Saunders. Is he just frozen with grief or fear, or is this a bad sign?

SAUNDERS: It`s a bad sign, Jane. I think that he`s probably trying to cook up a defense of some kind of mental defect, that he had amnesia, which I think he told his father-in-law, that, "I was confused. I don`t know how I got to England." I think that`s a very deliberate attempt to, you know, throw some smoke up. I think this is much more a real cold heart.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There has been that one unconfirmed report that was - - I believe in emanated out of England, one of the British media sources there, that he did contact his father-in-law and said something. Defense attorney Jason Oshins, what do you do if you`re an attorney advising this man tonight in England?

OSHINS: Well, he`s sort of taken his own position, if you will. He`s taken the position that he`s not going to cooperate, whether it`s out of grief or, as Pat said, some potential amnesia that he`s going through.

I think, once again, as the same in the other instance, when you don`t have the reason to talk and communicate, then don`t. If you`re going to be a target or a person of interest, then keep it that way by not aiding the authorities in some way in co-opting you into, you know, becoming a suspect and being arrested.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And, Joe Dwinell, there`s another breaking news aspect to this case tonight and that is the plagiarism aspect. We`d heard all about his shady Internet dealings, the fact that some of the Web sites he put up have connections to porn, to male enhancements, and various other things. But now we`re hearing that there are allegations that some of the material he had on some of his Web sites were plagiarized. Tell us about that.

DWINELL: Well, we contacted a electrical engineer in California who was surprised to see that his white paper from nine years ago is quoted on one of Neil`s sites. It`s a site where Neil says you invest a thousand dollars a month, he`ll help you with this new technology. This electrical engineer says that`s his stuff.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Apparently there were two people who were saying that they saw material on Web sites belonging to him that were literally reams and reams of things that had been cribbed from extensive papers they had written.

DWINELL: Right. We could not reach the other author. He is listed for this California company. And by the way, this is a $1.5 billion dollar business.

It`s programmable chips. It`s high-end, high-tech stuff. But it`s just another one of these Web sites that are just curious as to what exactly Neil was trying to do, get rich quick, have you invest with him. I believe this is going to come out in the future.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And so he`s somebody, Neil, who was educated to be an electrical engineer. And you`d wonder, why would you have to then plagiarize, allegedly, from another electrical engineer?

Pat Brown, criminal profiler, what does this tell us about his psychology?

BROWN: It tells us that he might have a psychopathic nature, which means he likes to manipulate, he likes to use people, he likes to get things quick, he doesn`t want to have to do the work, he lies.

And this is why, very likely, he put this -- probably confused his wife as to what he was all about, and his wife fell for it, and then she must have found something out. And this is probably what the motive was behind this, if he`s guilty of the crime.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I have to jump in. Also, there were a lot of stresses on this family. They had moved from England to the United States to be near her family. He was unemployed.

BROWN: Correct.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She had said she wanted to be a stay-at-home mom. These are...

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BROWN: ... that doesn`t make you someone who kills. What makes you someone who kills is having no feeling for the other person.

And let me point out something really interesting. Where is the rage from Neil Entwistle? Where is it? Somebody has murdered his wife and little, teeny, beautiful baby. Do you see any rage, that he`s so angry that he wants those people caught?

I mean, he might join O.J. in trying to find out who did his family in, but I don`t think we`re going to see a lot of that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we heard one expert say that this was some sort of passion or rage killing, because obviously an infant cannot identify a perpetrator. So if you`re just going in there -- and there were no signs of forced entry anyway -- but if you`re just going in there to do something to the adult, you don`t have to harm the child.

BROWN: No reason to kill the child. The only reason you would kill the wife and the child is because they are both in your way at this point in life. And that`s another psychopathic trait. People are either useful or they`re in the way. And when you`re finished with people, you want them out of the way and you want to move on with your life, a la Scott Peterson, who just decided his family was also in the way.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We do not believe this was random. There was no sign of a forced entry or any sign of burglary. There may have been one or two items that are missing from the home, but we`re not certain as to whether that`s because somebody took them.

But we`re just keeping an open mind on that. But there`s no obvious signs of burglary or break-in.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t want to see her suffer anymore. And she -- this is no life. I mean, there`s things keeping her alive, but what kind of life is that?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell sitting in tonight for Nancy Grace.

Tonight, a really heart-wrenching case of abuse raising a flood of legal and ethical dilemmas. Eleven-year-old Haleigh Poutre, an adopted Massachusetts girl, is severely beaten, so badly that she goes into a vegetative state.

First, battles about whether the girl should be allowed to die. Now come battles about how she should be allowed to live.

Let`s go straight out to Dave Canton in Massachusetts with the "Westfield Evening News," who has been covering this case. Dave, give us a brief history of this very, very complex and very tragic case, starting with the physical abuse of this child?

DAVE CANTON, "WESTFIELD EVENING NEWS": Well, Jane, Haleigh was brought to the Noble Hospital emergency room on the afternoon of September 11th. Her adoptive mother, Holli Strickland, told medical workers she had a stomach flu, but doctors recognized that she was unconscious and unresponsive.

They did a CAT scan, found she had a subdural hematoma. They did two things. They transferred her to another hospital and they called police.

When she got to the Baystate Medical Center, medical workers there were able to catalogue her injuries. One registered nurse said in court that, when she saw Haleigh, her face was swollen, her lips were cut and swollen, her teeth were shattered, her nose were broken. She had cuts over her eyes. She had a bleeding cut on the back of her head.

When they unwrapped her from the blanket, she said there were layer upon layer of injuries, various ages and various states of healing. Her wrist was broken. Her joints were swollen. And the little girl was emaciated.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, what I understand -- and I`d like to ask some of our experts and all the folks we have assembled here tonight -- is what happened next? This is such a complicated case.

After she went to the hospital, I understand the Department of Social Services in Massachusetts ultimately got custody of her and, because she was in such a horrible state, asked the courts for permission to pull the plug. And then a miracle occurred.

Let us go now to the biological mother of this child, Allison Avrett. Thank you so much, ma`am, for joining us. What is the miracle, the medical miracle, that occurred after the appeals court basically said, "Yes, you can pull the plug"? Something happened.

ALLISON AVRETT, HALEIGH`S MOM: I wish I could discuss with you exactly what happened, but because of the gag order that`s been put on me, I can`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can you tell us what your emotions are when you see your child in the hospital? What runs through you when you see your little girl, who`s 11 years old now, who was beaten into a coma?

AVRETT: The unbelievable strength, the will she has to survive, hope.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to ask you to stand by for a second, and I want to go to your attorney, who held a news conference today concerning this case.

Betsy Clague...

BETSY CLAGUE, MOTHER`S ATTORNEY: Betsy Clague. Good evening, Jane. How are you?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Betsy, thank you so much for joining. Sorry I mispronounced your name. You held a news conference today. What are the latest developments in this case concerning this little girl?

CLAGUE: Well, the latest developments are we are extremely disappointed that the Department of Social Services has told Allison that, if she makes any statements regarding Haleigh`s medical condition, that she will lose her visits with her.

We have been in contact with the department, asked them to not only give us a copy of this order or this agreement, but also we`ve asked them to please rescind it, and they have not.

Further, we`ve wanted to sit down with them and make sure that Haleigh`s mom, who was her primary care parent for the first four years of her life, who was the first person to notice her coming out of what had been described as a persistent vegetative state, and who is the only person who has had Haleigh in her care who has never been accused of abusing her, to have a more prominent role in the service plan for her care.

The Department of Social Services has a service plan for Haleigh; her mother wants more involvement in that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And, Betsy, I want to ask you, how did the biological mother, your client, lose her daughter in the first place? Because I understand that she felt that it was kind of -- this girl was stolen from her.

CLAGUE: Well, what initially happened was that she had moved to Virginia with her boyfriend. And when she had sent Haleigh back to stay with relatives, including her sister, Holli -- who ultimately got custody - - apparently, Holli reported to the Department of Social Services that the child had suffered some sort of abuse at the hands of Allison`s then- boyfriend.

Now, there has never been any determination that that actually occurred. But what they did do was took custody of the child away from Allison, entered a service plan with Allison with a goal of reuniting her with her daughter, and put her in Holli Strickland`s care during that time.

But then, suddenly -- and within four months, which is an extraordinarily short period of time -- they changed the goal of the service plan from reunification with Allison to adoption by Holli.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We need a family tree on this case because it is so very complex.

I want to go to Maureen Flatley, a child advocate. You blame the Department of Social Services for this case getting as out of control as it has. Tell us about that.

MAUREEN FLATLEY, CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. I mean, there are a number of critical issues in this case. First of all, the adoptive parents may have inflicted the injuries on this child, but DSS is responsible for her condition. They missed opportunity after opportunity to protect her.

The notion that DSS should play any role in creating some kind of a treatment plan or permanency plan for this child now is ludicrous because they have at least as much, if not more, culpability for her condition than either of the accused adoptive parents.

So it really is extremely troubling that an agency that has a long history of problems, and this is not the first high-profile case this year, another case in March of a child who was actually murdered in the care of the agency...

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, I have to cut you off there. We`re going to break. We will say the Department of Social Services is not commenting, pending an investigation that has been ordered by the governor of Massachusetts, and that investigation is still under way. So we`re going to track that, as well.

Quickly to tonight`s "All-Points Bulletin." FBI and law enforcement across the country on the lookout for Michael David Marks, wanted in connection with the 2003 Pennsylvania home invasion robbery and death of 89-year-old Frida Dale (ph).

Marks, 51, 5`7", 240 pounds, black hair, brown eyes. If you have any information on Michael David Marks, call the FBI at 412-432-4000.

Local news next for some of you. We will all be right back. And remember, live coverage of a case out of Wisconsin, after Election Day turned violent, 3:00 to 5:00 Eastern, Court TV.

Stay with us as we remember Staff Sergeant Jerry M. Durbin, Jr., just 26 years old, an American hero.

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AVRETT: I have no expectations. I will take her as she is. It`s my daughter; I love her. If she were to stay the way she is, I would love her. If she gets better, I`ll love her.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell sitting in tonight for Nancy Grace. We are talking about a beautiful 11-year-old girl named Haleigh Poutre who is fighting for her life tonight.

I want to go straight out to the biological mother`s attorney, Betsy Clague. Got it right this time. I want to ask you about the two people suspected of beating her. One is dead, and one has been charged with criminal assault but is not in jail. Tell us about that extraordinary development.

CLAGUE: Well (OFF-MIKE) Holli and Jason, who by the way the adoption was purchased by the Department of Social Services, and Allison was ultimately, after a year of going back and forth and fighting, was pressured into signing the adoption papers, thinking it would give her more access to Haleigh.

It was Holli who really interfered with Allison`s access to Haleigh by claiming that, whenever Haleigh saw her mother, that she would have nightmares. And people believed her.

Now, for regular family members who had been manipulated for years to believe her is one thing, but for the Department of Social Services that had investigated allegation after allegation of abuse, as many as 17 of them, to continue to believe that this child was injuring herself is another thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We want to go to our expert right here in studio, Ellie, because, Ellie, this is such a complicated case. Tell us about the suspect.

ELIZABETH YUSKAITIS, PRODUCER: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The two suspects, what happened to them?

YUSKAITIS: The adoptive mother and the stepfather both charged with multiple accounts of assault and battery. The mother dies the day she`s released on bail in an apparent murder-suicide. The stepfather still charged.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. And the apparent murder-suicide involves?

YUSKAITIS: The grandmother.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The grandmother. I absolutely almost need counseling after hearing this case because it is such a horror story. Is there any way you can give us any kind of perspective or hope, in 20 seconds?

SAUNDERS: Well, this little girl has survived and she has a biological mother who loves her. She`s remarkably showing improvement, and let`s hope that it continues.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s hope this continues. Let`s hope for a miracle, that`s all I can say about that case.

We want to thank all of our guests tonight. And thanks to you at home for tracking these very important cases with us.

Coming up, headlines from around the world. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell sitting in for Nancy Grace. We hope to see you right here tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, have a wonderful night.

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