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PAULA ZAHN NOW
Zacarias Moussaoui Eligible For Death Penalty; George Clooney Goes to War Against Celebrity Web Site; The Last Abortion Clinic in South Dakota
Aired April 3, 2006 - 20:00 ET
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PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: And thank you all for joining us.
Tonight, after more than four years of yearning for justice, 9/11 families finally get their moment.
ZAHN (voice-over): On the CNN "Security Watch" -- the verdict for the only person charged in the 9/11 attacks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Death is a possible sentence in this case.
ZAHN: And 9/11 families react.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he deserves it. Two thousand nine hundred and ninety-seven people prove that he deserves it.
ZAHN: Deadly fury -- the brutal and sudden force of nature.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It just came up so fast. We looked -- all we did is, I looked out the window, and the things were flying across the parking lot.
ZAHN: A shattered landscape -- shattered lives. Is another deadly round on the way?
The "Eye Opener" -- the mission. In a state where no other doctor will perform an abortion, meet one who does.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people in -- in this state and probably around the country consider you a murderer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They do.
ZAHN: Why does she take the risk?
Tonight, a rare look inside one state's last abortion clinic.
ZAHN: And seeing stars -- George Clooney declares war on a Web site that tracks celebrities. Is it really a dangerous threat?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very, very, very creepy. There are crazies out there, and crazy stuff does happen.
(END VIDEOTAPE) ZAHN: We begin tonight on the "Security Watch" and the only person tried so far in the U.S. in connection with the 9/11 attacks.
A federal jury today decided that admitted al Qaeda terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui is eligible for the death penalty. He admitted last year he conspired with al Qaeda to fly planes into major American buildings. But his sentencing trial has been a very strange spectacle, indeed, thanks to him and his outbursts in court and his own testimony, in which, for the first time, he said specifically that he knew the World Trade Center was a target, and that he would have flown a jetliner right into the White House.
Well, today's decision does not mean Moussaoui will be executed. But it does mean the jury goes back to work on Thursday to make that decision.
Justice correspondent Kelli Arena was in the courtroom today. She joins me now with the very latest.
Kelli, good evening.
KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Paula.
You know, even before today's court session got under way, Moussaoui could be heard yelling from the hallway. And, by the time he got inside, of course, federal marshals had pretty much subdued him. When the judge was about to read his verdict, he didn't stand, but he defiantly stayed in his seat. He seemed almost disinterested in what was going on.
He was mumbling to himself. At one point, he even checked the time on the clock behind him. The jury was asked if their decision was unanimous. Members that said it was. Now, when Moussaoui was leaving the courtroom, he yelled: "You will never get my blood. God curse you all."
Now, this, Paula, has become almost routine for him to scream as he leaves the courtroom. I saw about at least a dozen, half-a-dozen 9/11 victim family members inside the courtroom. One of them quietly pumped her fist in victory when the jury -- when the verdict was read.
But, for the most part, everyone saved their reaction for the cameras outside the courtroom. Now, the next phase of this trial is scheduled to begin on Thursday. Now, it's expected to be extremely emotional. Family members will finally get a chance to offer their stories of loss to the jury.
As you said, Paula, those families have waited more than four years to have their say. And we would not even be here today, though, if it hadn't been for two men in Minnesota who first alerted law enforcement to Moussaoui.
HUGH SIMS, FLIGHT SCHOOL MANAGER: What's up? KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They're good friends, military veterans who work together at the same flight school. Tim Nelson spent 20 years in the Air Force, flew missions as a B-52 gunner in the Gulf War. Hugh Sims was in the Air Force for 24 years, flew 150 missions in Vietnam, and then was an airline pilot for 16 years.
SIMS: They offered me a job.
ARENA: They don't see much of each other since Sims retired. But, when they do, the talk inevitably turns to the strange flight student they met in August of 2001.
It was in Eagan, a small city 15 miles outside of Minneapolis. A foreign student was coming to the Pan Am International Flight School to learn how to fly 747 jumbo jets.
Hugh Sims says, the guy didn't even have a pilot's license.
SIMS: So, at first, it was more curiosity that my antenna was up.
ARENA: All the school had was an e-mail from the aspiring pilot, asking for -- quote -- "help to achieve my dream. I am sure that you can do something," he wrote. "After all, we are in America, and everything is possible."
It was signed "Zac," short for Zacarias Moussaoui.
TIM NELSON, FLIGHT SCHOOL MANAGER: He wanted to do -- be able to take off and land a 747-400. And he wanted to operate it between two particular points, between New York and Heathrow, between JFK and Heathrow Airport in London.
ARENA: Moussaoui, a French citizen of Moroccan descent, sent the e-mail under the username "zuluman tangotango."
(on camera): That e-mail made staffers at the flight school curious, even before Moussaoui got here. But, after he arrived, the curiosity turned into outright suspicion.
(voice-over): Monday, day one: Moussaoui showed up in the morning and settled his bill by putting down about $7,000 in cash.
NELSON: Cash is hard to track. You know, we get a customer who pays by check or by a credit card, you can kind of go back and say, OK, where did this guy come from?
SIMS: He came in. He was dressed in jeans, a color T-shirt, and a ball cap. This guy doesn't look like he has the kind of money that would be just to -- just to do this for -- for fun.
ARENA: Nelson, who had not seen Moussaoui yet, went out of his way to meet him.
NELSON: He was telling us that, well, it is an ego thing. I want to be able to tell my friends, hey, I can fly a 747. Well, that's a lot of money to spend to play, basically.
ARENA (on camera): Did you believe him?
NELSON: I didn't.
ARENA (voice-over): Nelson says he had just viewed a training tape about a 1999 Japanese hijacking.
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NARRATOR: Brandishing a knife, he got into the cockpit as the plane was making its ascent from...
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ARENA (on camera): So, you had seen that tape right at the same time that Moussaoui shows up?
NELSON: Yes, I had.
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NARRATOR: And his motive for hijacking the plane was that he wanted to fly it.
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NELSON: I'm thinking, do I have that, or do I have something worse on my hands?
ARENA (voice-over): Even before 9/11, hijackings were often associated with the Middle East. At the time, Nelson had a class of Syrian airline pilots. He saw two of them greet Moussaoui in Arabic.
NELSON: I said, what were you guys talking about?
And he said, oh, they're just greeting in Arabic.
I said, how is it?
Oh, he's fluent. He's a native speaker.
That bothered me.
ARENA (on camera): Why?
NELSON: It was just one more red flag.
ARENA (voice-over): Tim Nelson is the son of a cop, and once took the FBI entrance exam. With Moussaoui, things just didn't add up. And, at the end of Moussaoui's first day at flight school, Sims was also troubled.
Sims got a chance to spend some time alone with Moussaoui when he gave him a ride to where the 747 flight simulators were located. During the two-mile drive, Moussaoui said he was an international consultant. Sims didn't buy it.
SIMS: Well, his English skills, for one, although they're adequate, they certainly didn't indicate a high degree of sophistication or indicate someone who had spent a lot of time in English conversations.
ARENA: Day two, Tuesday: Tim Nelson pulled Moussaoui's flight school file, which should have contained all sorts of documentation. Oddly, this one had nothing. Then he ran into Moussaoui's flight instructor, who said his student wanted to know about unusual things.
NELSON: He had asked questions like if the oxygen could be shut off, if I pull the circuit breakers to disable or turn off the transponder.
ARENA: Sims and Nelson say Pan Am flight school management was cautious about questioning a paying customer. But, by the end of Moussaoui's second day at school, Nelson and Sims were convinced something was wrong.
NELSON: I'm saying, guys, do you really want this guy to go out and do something with this training, come back and say, where did you learn, you know, to fly, Pan Am in Minneapolis? I don't want that.
ARENA: Wednesday, day three: Moussaoui was staying at this Marriott Residence Inn. He was scheduled to take flight simulator lessons the next day. Hugh Sims and Tim Nelson were worried that he might learn just enough about flying a 747 to become very dangerous.
(on camera): After just two days, Sims and Nelson had seen enough. They both decided, without the other knowing, to call the FBI field office here in Minneapolis.
(voice-over): Their calls were transferred to a counterterrorism agent.
NELSON: I have got a student that is raising a lot of red flags. And I said, you need to understand that this aircraft weighs 900,000 pounds. It carries between 50,000 and 57,000 gallons of jet fuel. And I said, and if you fly it at 350 knots into a metro -- a heavily populated area, you're going to kill a boatload of people.
ARENA: Sims called around the same time.
SIMS: I explained to them that we had a student at the Pan Am flight academy that I think is asking for training that could become dangerous. And I think that somebody ought to really look into what he's doing here, is he here legally.
ARENA: It turns out, Moussaoui was not.
On Thursday, day four, FBI agents confronted him at the Marriott, along with immigration officials, who took him into custody.
NELSON: Hopefully, calling -- between Hugh and myself calling, then, maybe we did stop something from happening. ARENA: Later investigation by the FBI would show, Zacarias Moussaoui was an al Qaeda operative, like the four 9/11 pilots who had also trained at U.S. flight schools. Of all the Americans those operatives ran into, Nelson and Sims were the only ones who called the FBI.
SIMS: I had 40 years of experience being around aviators. I would have been a fool not to recognize this.
NELSON: I was willing to be wrong over it. You know, I was hoping I was wrong, because being right -- you know, we saw what being right was, 9/11.
ARENA: Moussaoui later said his plan was to fly a plane into the White House. If Nelson and Sims hadn't acted on their suspicions, he just might have done it.
Kelli Arena, CNN, Eagan, Minnesota.
ARENA: And that has gotten us to this point, Paula. The prosecution, as I said, is expected to introduce victim family testimony. The defense, for its part, is expected to talk about Moussaoui's troubled past and to argue that he is mentally unstable -- back to you.
ZAHN: It was absolutely heartbreaking to hear some of those family members talk today.
ZAHN: And we will hear more from them later on in the week, as you just said. Kelli Arena, thanks so much.
ARENA: You're welcome.
ZAHN: We continue to watch a developing story tonight. Thousands of people are picking up the pieces of their homes and their lives. How widespread is the latest tornado damage? And which state took the worst hit?
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ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: I'm Allan Chernoff in Boston -- details Of Jill Carroll's days in captivity straight ahead on PAULA ZAHN NOW.
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ZAHN: And, a little bit later on in this hour, an exclusive look inside the very last abortion clinic in South Dakota -- who works there, and how much longer will it be legal to perform abortions there?
But, first, more than one 18 million of you went to our Web site today. Here's a countdown of the top 10 most popular stories on CNN.com.
At number 10, the U.S. Capitol was evacuated for just about an hour today, after the building lost power. At the time, neither House, nor the in the Senate had convened. The cause of that outage is still under investigation.
Number nine -- the hunt for the driver who shot and killed a top- ranking Hells Angels on Interstate 95 in Connecticut. It happened Sunday afternoon. Officials say the victim had actually been monitored by law enforcement, after serving time in federal prison numbers eight and seven when we come back.
ZAHN: So tonight, she is still in jail. What has she said to her latest visitors? And what was life like for the preacher's wife who is now accused of murdering her husband, a murder she has actually admitted to?
Tonight, we go "Beyond the Headlines" into the release of American hostage Jill Carroll. We are just beginning to learn that there was much more to the story than anyone knew. There was an extensive behind-the-scenes effort to free the reporter from nearly three months in the hands of Iraqi insurgents. It's a dramatic story that's just beginning to be told.
Allan Chernoff takes us "Beyond the Headlines" tonight.
CHERNOFF (voice-over): The joyful family reunion videotaped by Jill Carroll's dad, Jim.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello, everyone.
CHERNOFF: Today, a celebration of freedom in the newsroom of "The Christian Science Monitor." Former hostage Jill Carroll thanked her colleagues for working to get her released.
JILL CARROLL, FORMER HOSTAGE: I just want to say how much I'm overwhelmed by how wonderful the paper has been to my family and to everyone.
CHERNOFF: "The Christian Science Monitor," which put freelancer Jill Carroll on as full-time staff after her kidnapping, lobbied governments around the globe to gain her release, though it's not clear what did the trick.
"Monitor" editors say, high-level U.S. officials, including FBI Director Robert Mueller, were involved, as were foreign governments. Even Arabic groups, like Hamas and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, no friends of the U.S., pushed for release of the American journalist.
The kidnappers' demand for the U.S. to release all female Iraqi prisoners was not met. But Arabic diplomacy expert Richard Schultz believes, it was pressure from within the Iraqi government that finally freed Carroll.
RICHARD SCHULTZ, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF INTERNATIONAL POLITICS, FLETCHER SCHOOL OF LAW AND DIPLOMACY: Yes, you have people who were elected for the new parliament who are Sunnis who have connections to the insurgency, or their connections to the insurgency can be avenues for trying to get someone like her released.
CHERNOFF: Carroll has told "The Monitor," the kidnappers thought she was Jewish. She convinced them she's Christian by repeating the Lord's Prayer and telling them stories from the New Testament.
Still, she says, they tried to convert her to Islam.
(on camera): She also told "The Monitor," during her 82 days of captivity, she was moved a few times, was isolated in a dark room, where she couldn't see outside, and only once was permitted to watch television and read a newspaper. To exercise, she walked around her room, which she said was eight paces wide, and she did squats. And, to avoid boredom, she sang.
(voice-over): After just a few days of freedom, "The Christian Science Monitor" says, Jill is not ready to speak to the general media.
JACK LEVIN, PROFESSOR, NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY: It is an extremely important thing for someone who has been tortured for 82 days -- psychologically, perhaps, but tortured nonetheless -- to get that kind of private time with her family and her friends, to restore her psyche. It -- it has been profoundly injured. And now this is a way of -- to give her the time to heal.
CHERNOFF (on camera): And to relive it so quickly afterwards...
CHERNOFF: ... would be traumatic again.
LEVIN: It -- it's very possible that holding a press conference, which would be a good thing to do, in terms of public relations, would actually be a horrible thing, because it requires that she actually relive the terrible times that she had for those 82 days.
CHERNOFF (voice-over): Jill Carroll needs time to move forward and time to enjoy her newly-found freedom.
Allan Chernoff, CNN, Boston.
ZAHN: So, the question for you tonight: How many tornadoes have we had this year in the United States? You might be surprised. And how does it compare with other years? And what is it like today, in the wake of the latest killer storms? And, a little bit later on -- a doctor who works at the last abortion clinic in South Dakota, what does she say about the state's new effort to outlaw her job?
Now on to number eight in our CNN.com countdown. The U.S. Capitol Police today referred its case against Georgia Democratic Representative Cynthia McKinney to federal prosecutors. Last week, you might remember, she tangled with an officer when she entered a House office building without her identifying lapel pin, and then didn't stop when asked to. Well, the U.S. attorney is reviewing the case. And McKinney could eventually face charges.
Number seven -- Tom Cruise tells a German tabloid that he and Katie Holmes want to marry some time this summer, of course, after the birth of their child and the release of his new movie, "Mission: Impossible III."
What about that timing, folks?
Stay with us. Six and five are next.
ZAHN: Now we move on to some very severe weather hitting the country right now, devastating and deadly tornadoes.
It is only the 3rd of April, and, already, 349 tornadoes have been reported in the U.S. so far this year. That happens to be four times the number of confirmed tornadoes by the end of March last year.
Now, the latest line of storms hit over the weekend, killing at least 27 people.
CNN's Jonathan Freed was up all night chasing those storms. And we told him to get some sleep, as his crew heads for Arkansas. But, of course, he stopped off just a short time ago to send us the first of our two reports.
JONATHAN FREED, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A patrol car's dashboard camera captured a brief glimpse of one twister. Keep watching, as the rain and debris blow sideways past the windshield, going faster and faster. It's a rare, frightening picture of a tornado's irresistible power.
This was in northwest Tennessee. But the damage stretches up through Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, and Arkansas, then east across Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio. This is what the Sunday storms looked like on radar. There wasn't just one, but at least two super-cells, generating wind, softball-sized hail, and tornadoes. The storms blew through the central Illinois town of Taylorville early Sunday evening.
There were no confirmed tornado citings in this part of Illinois. But reports say the storm's straight-line winds were devastating. One police chief estimates, they may have topped 100 miles an hour. It's easy to believe when you see this. The wind pushed a big storage shed completely off its concrete foundation, heaping its roof and walls, tons of crumpled metal, on a row of homes.
(on camera): When we arrived here, in Taylorville, Illinois, it was still dark. And while it was obvious that the storm had caused a considerable amount of damage, it wasn't until daybreak that we appreciated the full scope of what had happened here.
As the sun came up, we saw that the wind had knocked a tree down onto the roof of a home back here. And this is typical of the type of damage that people are experiencing.
Now, although the storm happened yesterday evening, we have seen that it wasn't until this morning that the workers showed up and began clearing the debris away.
(voice-over): Near Saint Louis, a man died when part of a clothing store's roof caved in. Other customers were trapped in air pockets that were totally surrounded by debris. They survived. Nowhere is the devastation worse or the death toll as high as in northwestern Tennessee.
One county sheriff says, for some houses, there's nothing left but a foundation.
Jonathan Freed, CNN, Taylorville, Illinois.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is Ed Lavandera in Dyer County, Tennessee. The tornado touched down outside of Dyersburg, in the western part of the state.
Sheriff Jeff Holt was standing on an overpass, tracking the storm. He says, in seconds, it grew to a half-mile wide.
JEFFREY HOLT, DYER COUNTY, TENNESSEE, SHERIFF: I could see just the sheer size of it. You know, I -- I knew it must be packing a pretty good -- a pretty good punch behind it. When I got sight of the -- of the funnel cloud itself, you know, I -- I knew this was not going to turn out good.
LAVANDERA: A few minutes later, the storm was carving a 25-mile- long path across homes and open fields. Massive trees splintered like twigs. Homes just disintegrated.
Bud Cude saw the funnel cloud. He grabbed his wife and grandchild, and jumped into the bathroom for cover.
BUD CUDE, TORNADO SURVIVOR: We were right there, between the -- the commode and the -- and the vanity. It sounded like a freight train moving toward us. And we came out that little bitty window like yonder. That's where we had to get out, that tallest thing standing. LAVANDERA: When Cude and his family emerged from the rubble, this is what was left of his home. And, just a short distance away, he also discovered the storm had killed at least 20 of his prized Tennessee walking horses.
CUDE: Well, it was a nice young colt we was going to develop for somebody to pleasure-ride with.
LAVANDERA: Sheriff Jeff Holt has spent 12 years working as sheriff here. But years of experience will never help him cope with what he saw in the debris Sunday night, an 11-month-old baby boy killed by the storm.
HOLT: When you see an 11-month-old victim, it's -- those sights don't leave you easy.
LAVANDERA: Ed Lavandera, CNN, Dyer County, Tennessee.
ZAHN: And there's also this: Right now, the same storm front that caused all of this trouble is moving toward the East Coast tonight. It is delaying or has flat-out stopped airline traffic into New York, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, and Atlanta.
Tornadoes are possible in the Mid-Atlantic states and the Carolinas tonight. Please stay with CNN for the very latest severe weather warnings.
Now, South Dakota's move to ban nearly all abortions has made national headlines. But did you know that there is only one abortion clinic in the state, and that the doctors come from out of state? We are going to get an exclusive look behind closed doors.
Also, police say she has confessed to killing her husband. What was she like when she was simply known as the preacher's wife?
Before that, on to number six in our CNN.com countdown -- a horrific crime in Los Angeles. Police say a domestic dispute led a father to kill his two children. Investigators allege, he torched his SUV while the children were inside.
Number five -- Bush administration sources tell CNN that incoming wife -- White House, that is, Chief of Staff Josh Bolten is conducting an extensive staff review, but is in no rush to make any final decisions. Bolton is replacing Andrew Card, who resigned last week -- number four when we come back.
ZAHN: I want you to take a look at some numbers. According to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, only 36 percent of Americans would actually favor a law in their state banning all abortions except when the mother's life is in danger.
Well South Dakota just passed a law like that. It hasn't gone into effect yet. It certainly will be challenged almost perhaps all the way to the Supreme Court. And it is already reigniting the emotional national debate over abortion.
But putting the ban aside, even now it's extremely difficult to get an abortion in South Dakota because no doctors based in the state will actually do the procedure. In fact only four out of state doctors do abortions in South Dakota and they have to fly in. Only two of those physicians are willing to be identified publicly. And for the first time one of them has allowed a reporter to spend the day with her. Here's investigative reporter Drew Griffin's exclusive report for tonight's "Eye Opener."
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Not a single doctor in South Dakota will perform an abortion, which is why this story on South Dakota's last abortion clinic begins at Minneapolis International Airport with one doctor who will.
Dr. Miriam McCreary is a 70-year-old grandmother. Once, maybe twice a month, she comes out of retirement to take the 45 minute flight from Minneapolis to Sioux Falls, South Dakota. She is here because 16 women want an abortion today and she will perform them.
DR. MIRIAM MCREARY, PLANNED PARENTHOOD: There is quite a need for somebody to come out here. We used to have a gentleman that worked in our clinic from Sioux Falls. And since he retired then there's never been anybody else from Sioux Falls who was willing to work at our clinic.
GRIFFIN: South Dakota is now the focal point of the nation's debate over abortion. Backed by a strong Christian movement, the governor here, Mike Rounds, signed into law last month a bill that will make performing abortions a felony except to save the life of the mother. If unchallenged, it would go into effect this summer. But most believe it will be challenged and will go before the Supreme Court.
Parishioners at Sioux Falls Church of the Holy Spirit pray South Dakota's abortion ban will hold.
MARY KAY GARRY, PARISHIONER: The entire abortion issue really is about lack of understanding of our own human dignity. That God created us. That the creator gave us life. And that it is truly not our decision to make.
GRIFFIN: It is a 15-minute drive from the airport to the Sioux Falls Planned Parenthood clinic. Because abortions are only offered one day a week by the out of state doctors, the parking lot is full. There are no protesters, still the doctor enters through a back door.
MCCREARY: For security reasons.
GRIFFIN: A medical staff has already done most of the medical screening. The patients have been counseled and have waited at least the mandatory 24-hour period to think it through. MCCREARY: We always worry about people who are ambivalent and they are not sure they want to do this. And sometimes I'll say, don't do this. You don't want to do this today. You are not ready. Please go home and think about it some more and come back.
GRIFFIN (on camera): That happens?
MCCREARY: Oh, yes. So, adoption is a wonderful thing. And they are always given the option to have the pregnancy and have the child placed for adoption. So they are all given that during their counseling session, that choice. And I admire those that do. But not very many do. I have to say.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You would have to plan to be here the majority of the day.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): South Dakota is a big state. One patient drove more than four hours to get here. They can sit sometimes for hours in this room waiting for a five to ten-minute procedure.
From this mandatory state reporting sheet filled out by everyone in South Dakota who has an abortion, CNN was able to learn a little about the 16 women who had abortions while we were inside this clinic. They were all adults. The youngest, 18. The oldest, 34. Ten of the patients already have children. One of the mothers has five.
When asked if this was their first abortion, five said no. One woman was having her fourth abortion today. Asked why they were having an abortion, six said they could not afford the child.
GRIFFIN (on camera): You have delivered babies. You had babies.
GRIFFIN: You have grandchildren. Is there ever any doubts in your mind about what you are about to do right now?
MCCREARY: The only doubts I have are that I want the patient to be really sure that she wants this. That's the only doubt. Other than that, I just feel I'm giving good health care. These women need somebody to provide this. If they don't have it, they'll go some place else and they may not have a safe abortion. And I want that to not happen.
GRIFFIN: The state of South Dakota, I mean if we read the headline, doesn't want you here.
MCCREARY: I know that.
GRIFFIN: They consider you, and a lot of people in this state and probably around the country, consider you a murder.
MCCREARY: They do. But I want every child that's born to be born into a family that wants the child. I don't want children to be born into families where they are not wanted and where they can't be cared for properly. GRIFFIN (voice-over): It is almost 6:00, the last of the abortions just over.
(on camera): You've changed these people's lives today.
MCCREARY: Well, I helped them out of a predicament that they were not happy to be in. If I wasn't here to do it maybe no one else would do it.
GRIFFIN (voice-over): Dr. Miriam McCreary has been making this trip for seven years. At age 70, she wants other doctors, doctors in South Dakota to take her place. But so far, none has stepped forward.
(on camera): And you'll be back?
MCCREARY: Oh, yes. I think the clinic is a good clinic. I think we give very good care. And I hope we can continue to do that.
GRIFFIN: Paula, it was an eye-opening visit. We did get the indication that all 16 women really wanted this pregnancy terminated because of convenience in their life at this time. Not because of rape or incest or because they were minors. But because they really did not want the child at this time in their life.
ZAHN: You just brought up the issue of rape and incest. We should explain this new South Dakota law would go further than some laws in some other states that would prevent rape even in the event of rape or incest. You met a woman who had a very interesting perspective on that. What did she tell you?
GRIFFIN: Indeed. We talked with her just after she aborted what would have been her third child. During our brief interview with her, she told us that her mother was a rape victim and that she was a product of that rape. And yet, here she was terminating a pregnancy that she did admit to us, Paula, came at a time that was just inconvenient in her life. So she was dealing with both sides of these issues very dramatically. And says she will carry this with her right or wrong for the rest of her life.
ZAHN: Drew Griffin, really fascinating report. Thank you so much.
Now onto the issue of the preacher's wife who was accused of killing her husband. Well she has spent another weekend in jail. What visitors has she seen? What has she told them? And what do her friends remember about her life at church?
And then a little bit later on. A Web site that tracks celebrities. Would you go gawk at someone famous if they were just down the street? At least if you were told online they were down the street. What's one-time Oscar winner George Clooney say about that?
Now on to number four on our CNN.com countdown. Police in Toronto say a deadly explosion at a Tim Morton's coffee shop Sunday was not terrorism. One man was killed in the blast. First reports mentioned a suicide bomber but authorities have now ruled that out.
Number three, right after this.
ZAHN: Coming up the top of the hour here, Larry Ka -- King yes, you know who I'm talking about. Larry King will be joining us to start his show off. Who's going to be with you tonight, Lar?
LARRY KING, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you, Paula Zoon.
ZAHN: Hey, it's Monday. You know, I'm out of practice. I didn't get to say your name on Saturday and Sunday.
KING: We are doing some follow-up on the Winkler story. The close friends of the family, both lawyers who will be representing her, who they tell us are two of the top lawyers in the south.
And we'll have Dr. Ludwig analyzing this whole peculiar story. So we'll concentrate on the Winkler story tonight. Plus some first- hand information about how the children are doing. All that ahead at 9:00 Eastern, Paula.
ZAHN: A story, Larry, that we will be doing as well in just a couple of minutes here. And we'll look for more information at the top of the hour. Thanks so much. See you then.
Now I've got a real tough one for you women out there. If George Clooney was in your neighborhood, would you like to find out where he is? Well he happens to be one of the many celebrities a Web site is trying to track down. Can you find him now that he's actually encouraging people to express false sighting of him? You'll find out a little bit later on.
But first, let's go to Erica Hill for the "Headline News Business Break."
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ZAHN: All right, well it's much easier to say the new version of the word. Larry was just talking about what he's doing at the top of the hour. And in our "Outside the Law" segment tonight, there are some new hints of what are emerging about the strategy the defense may take in the case of the minister's wife accused of murder.
Coming up in our next segment, we'll be talking with a woman who was friendly, that woman who was sitting in prison tonight. As well as a woman who was a preacher's wife for many, many years and will explain many of the stresses she endured on a daily basis in that life.
But first, let's move on to No. 3 in our CNN.com countdown. Actor Russell Crowe isn't winning a whole lot of fans among New Zealand's authorities. He apparently lit up during a performance this weekend with his band. Smoking on stage or in any outdoor public site is banned in New Zealand. No. 2 or our list is next.
ZAHN: "Outside the Law" tonight, more hints are emerging about the strategy the defense may take in the case of the minister's wife accused of murder. It is a story that's been making headlines for nearly two weeks now.
Mary Winkler remains at a Tennessee jail tonight accused of shooting her husband in the back. Now one of her lawyers says a psychiatrist examined her on Friday, but the results of that exam aren't in yet.
Another defense lawyer told the Jackson, Tennessee, son that the shooting may have been an accident. And that lawyer also told "People" magazine that there are some indications Winkler was suffering from postpartum depression after the birth of her third child.
Now, just being the wife of a minister can cause a great deal of stress. Joining me now to tell us more about all that is Nancy Harding Burgess, director of the Heart and Soul Connection, which provides support for minister's wives. Good to see you. So, Nancy, but all accounts, Mary Winkler was a very supportive wife. She participated in church activities, didn't seem to mind any of those responsibilities that she was expected to live through. Does any of this puzzle make sense to you?
NANCY HARDING BURGESS, ADVOCATE FOR MINISTERS WIVES: Oh, it certainly does.
ZAHN: Tell me why.
BURGESS: I have lived that puzzle for 36 years. Well, I think that many times when you are in a public position there are expectations and it's not just from the other people. It can be expectations from within yourself that you start believing the press that you have to be perfect too and that you have to be something other than what people would want you to be. Sometimes we were told that they don't want you to be real.
ZAHN: And was it those expectations you were just talking that you placed on yourself that ultimately made you attempt suicide twice?
BURGESS: Yes, it did. Yes, it did.
ZAHN: That's how bad it got?
BURGESS: It really did. I was overwhelmed. I felt like there was sort of a volcano bubbling within. And I lost hope. And that's when somebody loses hope, then you are in a predicament. And that's what my organization Heart and Soul Connection wants to do is so get to women before they lose hope. Because when you lose hope, it's a killer. And I wanted out. ZAHN: Well, we have some shocking statistics to bear out that point you just made that 80 percent of minister spouses wish their husbands or whatever the sex of the spouse is, take on another line of work. And 50 percent of ministry marriages end in divorce. So when you talk about this perfection myth that seems to infect a lot of these families. Where is it that you fell short? And where do they get so depressed?
BURGESS: Well, I think where I fell short is I felt overwhelmed trying to keep all the balls in the air, juggling all the things that I felt I needed to do. Time management is a very big issue because not only do you have your own personal family, you have got the church family. Sometimes I felt like I was the mother of the church.
And I think what -- my heart is to share that Jesus came to offer everybody, even ministry families, hope and health and healing. And we want to do the same thing. What happened in my life, I was very over committed, over stressed. I felt -- there's a term now that we use called compassion fatigue.
BURGESS: And when you give out, give out, give out, and you are not taking time to replenish, you can find yourself in a state of depression.
ZAHN: Well, that certainly is not what we've heard about Mary Winkler so far. But, as you know, Nancy, we don't know a whole lot about what really happened behind the scenes in her life. I'm sure we will learn more in the months to come.
Nancy Harding Burgess thank you very much for your time tonight. I appreciate it.
And for all you folks out there that love planetary kind of stuff. Do you want to do a little star gazing tonight? Well, gawkers are posting locations of famous people on the web in real time. Do you think the stars mind? Of course you know what they think about that. You are going to meet one who is pretty angry about all of this.
But let's first go to number two in our CNN.com countdown. We told you a little bit earlier about this. Storms and tornadoes spread a trail of death and destruction across each state in the south and Midwest. At least 27 people were killed. Thousands of homes and businesses were simply wiped out. We'll have number one on our list up next.
ZAHN: So how would you feel if everywhere you went people were taking notes and posting your location on the web for everyone in the world to see in real time? Well, that's basically what the web site Gawker.com does. And its targets are naturally celebrities. But now one very big name in Hollywood has found a way to fight back.
Here's Brooke Anderson.
BROOKE ANDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's the latest innovation in celebrity obsession, and it's under attack by one of Hollywood's biggest and brightest stars. Oscar-winner George Clooney is trying, in essence, to shutdown a web site called Gawker Stalker. It posts real time information about the whereabouts of all of your famous people, primarily in Manhattan complete with a map.
All of the info coming from celeb sightings sent in via e-mails or text messages by the site's legions of fans. But the site's critics have called it a major threat to the safety of the stars.
STAN ROSENFIELD, CLOONEY'S PUBLICIST: We've come up with a plan that could work to help render this web site not so effective.
ANDERSON: Clooney via his publicist, Stan Rosenfield sent an e- mail last week to other publicists urging them and their clients to join in the fight against Gawker. The e-mail read, quote, "Flood their web site with bogus sightings. A couple hundred conflicting sightings and this web site is worthless."
ROSENFIELD: It is a first amendment issue. They have every right in the world to have freedom of speech. But we would like to do is provide them with enough information that will make their information that they do put out suspect.
ANDERSON (on-camera): Gawker.com is quick to defend itself saying the site isn't harmful, that the celebrities' information is already out there. And that they are not to blame.
JESSICA COEN, CO-EDITOR, GAWKER.COM: If you found out George Clooney were getting a cup of Starbucks, had the time to click your web site, run downstairs, get to that Starbucks and inflict bodily harm, I think that's something that not any single web site can take the blame for.
ANDERSON (voice over): Clooney's efforts appear to be making a difference. The site has been inundated with fake star citings, many of which are about George Clooney including, "George Clooney is with me and helping to reset all of my clocks to daylights savings time. George Clooney at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Hey I saw Clooney on the moon."
In truth, Clooney is now in New York City working on the film "Michael Clayton."
ROSENFIELD: I just want people to realize that this is not a case of celebrity whining. This is a case of, you know, protecting somebody's right to privacy and not putting them in any danger. What we are concerned about is not so much the fan because the fan is nothing but good intentions, we are concerned about somebody who might be a legitimate stalker.
ANDERSON: Seriousness aside, Clooney known as a prankster in all likelihood is having a bit of fun with this spirited gawker stalker smack down. He ended his email with this, "Just make them useless. That's the fun of it." And then sit back and enjoy the ride."
Brooke Anderson, CNN, Hollywood.
ZAHN: And as for the women on my staff, they just wish George Clooney happened to be in our news room tonight.
Yes, we close with number one on our CNN.com countdown, the crash of a military cargo plane. Incredibly -- look at these pictures -- all 17 people on board survived.
And that wraps it up for all of us here tonight. Thanks so much for being with us. We'll be back same time, same place tomorrow night. Good night.
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