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Saddam Hussein Cross-Examined; Former Sinn Fein Figure Found Dead in Ireland; Cracking Down on Child Pornography

Aired April 05, 2006 - 12:00   ET

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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Pointed remarks and a pointed finger. One-time dictator, now defendant, Saddam Hussein faces cross-examination for the first time.
JIM CLANCY, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Double agent dead. What had been learned about the killing of a former Sinn Fein leader who spied for Britain. We're going to have an update.

And then...

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said, "I'm sorry. I was the cause of it." I said, "No, it's not your -- it's not your fault."

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GORANI: Joy and grief. It's a hostage story that ended in joy and freedom for one person and grief for the family of another. We'll introduce you to the family of Jill Carroll's translator, Allan Enwiyah.

It's 8:00 p.m. in Baghdad, 5:00 p.m. in County Donegal in the Republic of Ireland.

I'm Hala Gorani.

CLANCY: I'm Jim Clancy.

Welcome to our viewers throughout the world and in the United States.

This is YOUR WORLD TODAY.

We begin in a courtroom in Baghdad where Saddam Hussein was his usual self, defiant, combative and elusive as he was cross-examined by prosecutors in this, his six-month-old trial.

GORANI: The trial adjourned until Thursday. On Tuesday, Hussein was indicted on separate charges of genocide which will be dealt with in a different trial.

Saddam Hussein, who appeared alone in the courtroom Wednesday, bickered with the chief judge, questioned the legitimacy of the court, and accused Shiites and the new government of killing thousands of people. CLANCY: Saddam Hussein and seven former members of his regime are charged in a crackdown against Shia Muslims in the town of Dujail. That was launched after a failed assassination attempt against the Iraqi leader in 1982.

Nearly 150 Shia Muslims were killed. Hundreds of others were imprisoned in the sweeps that followed. Saddam's microphone was cut off twice as he launched into one of his tirades.

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SADDAM HUSSEIN, DEPOSED IRAQI PRESIDENT (through translator): I'm being asked to stand up when the question starts. And I replied by saying, "I respect every Iraqi who wants to be respected."

Allow me -- these are my principles. I don't recognize the authority of this court, because I don't recognize the authority of the occupation. So if I recognize the authority of this court, then I would be recognizing the occupation. So therefore, I respect you and I respect the people present in this court.

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GORANI: Well, there were some other courtroom antics. A lawyer for the former Iraqi president was tossed out of court after several heated exchanges with the judge.

Aneesh Raman joins us now from Baghdad with more and more drama in that courtroom -- Aneesh.

ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Hala, the exchange happened after one of Saddam's defense lawyers stood up and held placards, photos of the prisoner abuse that took place at Abu Ghraib prison at the hands of U.S. troops back in 2004.

She began screaming, "America, this is what you have done! Look at these crimes!"

At that point, she was physically removed from the courtroom. But within an hour or so, the judge determined that he would dismiss all penalties and allow her back if she chooses tomorrow.

Now, that exchange erupted after a video was shown in court today, a video of Saddam Hussein speaking in generalities, saying 2,000, 5,000, if they are executed it is fine, as they are traitors. But immediately after the video was shown, the defense asked when was this video from. The prosecutors didn't know, and they soon made it clear that the video was from the late '70s or early '80s.

Well, the case at hand is from 1982. And so that is what prompted the defense to really rally around the video as being completely out of place for the trial.

Now, at time it was tense today. Documents were put fourth. Saddam Hussein had to verify his signature. But at other times it was incredibly somber. Prosecutors showed the faces and read the names of children who were allegedly executed by Saddam's regime after that failed assassination attempt, some as young as 12. In all, prosecutors say at least 30 people under the age of 18 were killed following that failed assassination attempt -- Hala.

GORANI: Now, how did the cross-examination go? This was really the first time that this happened during this trial.

RAMAN: Well, it was interesting. First, it took about an hour for Saddam to even begin answering the questions. The morning was consumed with an issue of his signature, whether he would give it to the court so they could verify the signature on the document.

Saddam said, "I'm Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq. You don't need my signature. I'm no common man."

And then the prosecutor tried to pinpoint Saddam specifically on various documents. "Did you sign this? Were you aware of what happened in Dujail? How many people were with you?"

It's rare, though, that Saddam really answered any of the questions. He did, as he often does, embark on long diatribes. At times he was incomprehensible in his rhetoric. At other times he was deliberately avoiding the question and then simply said, "I'm not going to answer you" -- Hala.

GORANI: Aneesh Raman, live in Baghdad -- Jim.

CLANCY: What does it all mean? How is this trial going? Well, let's get some perspective now.

We're going to turn to CNN legal analyst David Scheffer. He joins us from Chicago.

A lot of interest in war crime cases, international courts in particular. David Scheffer, what's wrong with this trial? Where is this going? When you have a prosecution introducing evidence and they don't even know what date is on it, is this accomplishing anything?

DAVID SCHEFFER, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, that was rather remarkable that that critical question which could be so easily predicted was not answerable in the courtroom. I must say, however, that even if the tape were found to have been made prior to 1982, let's say in 1979 or 1980, it still might be useful evidence for the court with respect to Saddam Hussein's frame of mind with respect to how he would deal with those who might seek to assassinate him or otherwise injure the regime leadership.

So I don't think it's completely out of order for the prosecution to have that tape. But it was an egregious error not to know the date.

CLANCY: You're saying that, though, from a perspective I think that would represent what a lot of people would say was the prosecutorial side of all of this. There's a deeper concern here, where people are asking, these international war crimes trials, you look at Slobodan Milosevic, the real purpose was supposed to be to give the Iraqi people or whomever a day in court when they could confront the people responsible for serious, serious crimes against them, that endured not just for years but for decades.

They don't seem to be getting that.

SCHEFFER: Well, that may be the case, Jim. But on the other hand, that's one of the problems with this trial, is that it's focused on a very relatively insignificant crime, to be quite frank, the Dujail assassination attempt and then the retribution. As horrific it was for the individual victims, the 148 ones who perished and then the 500 who were detained, that was terrible for them. But frankly, the Iraqi people, particularly the Kurdish populations and the Shia populations of Iraq, I would think, would be looking for accountability for the much larger crimes that occurred during his 25- year reign, the Anfal campaign, which we learned earlier this week will, in fact, be prosecuted, the assault against the Shias after the Gulf War.

So I think in terms of how the people will be satisfied in Iraq, it is probably a very painful exercise, this trial, to see these kind of mistakes being made and this kind of political theatrics that Saddam Hussein himself is being allowed to perpetrate in a very petulant manner in the courtroom.

CLANCY: Maybe -- maybe all these theatrics, though, only really reinforce the view of Saddam Hussein that, you know, they have all have had having lived under him and having experienced his rule firsthand. Are these separate trials the way to go for this prosecution? Because there could be many more related to some of the other incidents that you even brought up.

SCHEFFER: That's precisely correct, Jim. And I still have not seen the real strategy of the prosecution in terms of how they're going to take 12 mega-crimes through the 25 years that they have identified and weave these together into a comprehensive strategy of prosecution, because of the reality that, as you go through each of these trials, there are going to be judgments rendered, and then sentences expected with respect to those judgments. And then one has to question, will the sentence itself be carried out or suspended while the other trials are held?

Now, President Talabani a couple days ago said that all 12 trials would be held and Saddam Hussein would be prosecuted for those 12 mega-crimes. But it still has not been explained by the court precisely how, from a procedural point of view, this will happen. And until that occurs, I think the Iraqi people and many others would be scratching their heads as to, well, wait a minute, is he going to be sentenced and then if found guilty sentenced to death for the Dujail trial, and then somehow prosecuted for subsequent trials?

There's going to have to be a procedural fix here. And they need to arrive at that answer sooner than later, otherwise the frustration, I think, of the general population and of all of us will only be exacerbated. CLANCY: And we'll be sitting through a lot more theatrics, most likely, as well.

SCHEFFER: Yes.

CLANCY: David Scheffer, as always, thank you very much for being with us.

SCHEFFER: Thank you.

GORANI: More now o those protests in France. And the trade unions in that country are giving parliament 10 days to repeal a controversial youth jobs law. They vow new mobilization efforts if the law stays on the books.

The deadline comes as scattered protests continue across France. Hundreds of students blocked deliveries at a market in western France, others put up makeshift blockades on major auto routes leading to traffic jams. Mass rallies on Tuesday drew at least one million marchers to the streets.

CLANCY: The killing of a former Sinn Fein leader is complicating efforts to arrive at a power-sharing deal in northern Ireland. An admitted spy for Britain, Denis Donaldson, was shot to death Tuesday.

For more on the investigation into the killing, we go to Jim Boulden. He joins us from Glenties, which is in County Donegal in northwestern Ireland.

JIM BOULDEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Jim.

Yes, well, the police told us just a few hours ago they have no idea who killed Denis Donaldson just a few miles away on Tuesday in his remote cottage. The police did confirm, however, that when a member of public saw that his -- the glass was broke on one of his windows and the door was ajar, and the police arrived, that he had been shot numerous times with a shotgun.

Of course, as soon as that information came -- came to light, it was immediately thought that there must be some connection from his days when he was a senior Sinn Fein leader. He was very close to Gerry Adams, the leader of Sinn Fein. And Denis Donaldson was also a confessed British spy.

He admitted in December that he had been spying on Sinn Fein and on senior republican figures for 20 years for British intelligence. When that came clear, he fled Belfast and came here to this very remote part of western Ireland where he thought he would be safe -- Jim.

CLANCY: That may have been really hoping for too much, mightn't it, because he could have incurred the wrath of one family after another whose loved ones may have either been killed or imprisoned by British troops in northern Ireland? What is the thought here? Is there any reason to suspect that it was an organized killing instead of just a revenge killing by a family? BOULDEN: The police will not go into that at all, but, of course, there's a lot of speculation. Was it any former members of the IRA who were taking out revenge? Was it actually something that some former figures of the IRA had been looking for? We only -- we know that only just two weeks ago his whereabouts were revealed.

The police knew that he was living near here for several months, but it only became -- it came to light just a few weeks ago that he was living in a remote cottage. And it took just two weeks from that information coming out to somebody killing him.

Now, it could be -- it could be somebody taking revenge for a family member, it could be somebody who just said that this was a loose end and this loose end needed to be tied up. And that's exactly what they might have done.

CLANCY: Jim Boulden reporting to us there from Donegal in Ireland.

Jim, thank you very much.

An important case unfolding.

We're going to take a short break. When we come back, the Western world always put the focus on Western journalists taken hostage.

GORANI: But what about their local counterparts, often crucial to bringing us the news? We're going to introduce you to the family of American journalist Jill Carroll's Iraqi translator. She was rescued, of course. He lost his life.

CLANCY: And then later, the story of an accused sexual predator who was supposed to be a protector.

GORANI: We'll be looking for your thoughts on the issue as we ask, do you worry about such predators on the Internet and what should be done about it?

Send us your thoughts on Internet sexual predators, YWT@CNN.com.

We'll be right back.

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CLANCY: Welcome back to our viewers around the world.

Former Iraq hostage Jill Carroll now safe and sound and settled back into a life of family and friends in the United States.

GORANI: Thousands of miles away, in Jordan, the family of Carroll's translator still mourning a husband and a son and a father, and welcoming a new American daughter into the fold.

CLANCY: Senior International Correspondent Nic Robertson has their story. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Amman, Jordan, an emotional reunion by phone.

FAYROUZ ENWIYA, TRANSLATOR'S WIFE: I can't! I can't!

ROBERTSON: For the first time since her relief, Jill Carroll calls the wife of her translator. He was shot dead when Carroll was kidnapped. F. ENWIYA: What did he say? what did he say?

ROBERTSON: Desperate for any detail of how her husband, Allen Enwiya, died, she asked again in Arabic, what did he say? What were his last words?

And through the tears, the words Jill Carroll must have been dying to hear.

F. ENWIYA: I'm so happy for you, Jill.

ROBERTSON: From Allen Enwiya's father, too, forgiveness.

RAYMOND ENWIYA, TRANSLATOR'S FATHER: She said I'm sorry, I was the cause. I said, no, it's not your fault.

ROBERTSON: Jill Carroll and Allen Enwiya had become an inseparable double act, teaming up translator and reporter almost three years ago, when thugs forced Enwiya to close his music store.

Together, ducking the dangers of Baghdad, doing journalism under the radar, with no real security, relying on their wits. Carroll had become a regular visitor at the Enwiya home. She was the reporter with whom he chose to work.

R. ENWIYA: Jill wouldn't go with anybody but Allen.

ROBERTSON (on camera): She liked him a lot?

R. ENWIYA: She loved him, not like.

ROBERTSON: Really? Why was that?

R. ENWIYA: They were just like brother and sister.

ROBERTSON: She was important to her husband.

F. ENWIYA (through translator): She used to tell his friends, the day that anything happened to Jill, like what happened to her, naturally he would never allow himself to leave her.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): On the morning he was murdered, Enwiya helped get his 5-year-old daughter, Maryanne (ph), ready for school, said goodbye to his wife, a 1-year-old son, Martin, before meeting Jill.

Two hours later, his wife learned of his death on Al-Jazeera. F. ENWIYA (through translator): So I went to the neighbor, and they took me to the Al Hariya (ph) police station. And from afar, a found a pickup with Allan sprawled in the pickup. So I ran to it. I realized that he was -- I need to see him off. I kissed him around the eye, and told him, bye-bye, Allan.

ROBERTSON: She learned nothing more until Jill Carroll filled in the gaps. R. ENWIYA: When they stopped the car Allan and the driver opened the door. After that she heard two shots behind her. And she knew after that Allan was shot.

ROBERTSON: And Allan could have run away, but he didn't?

R. ENWIYA: He didn't leave her. He stayed with her. That's what caused his death.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): For Allen Enwiya's family, the details from Jill Carroll confirmed what in their hearts what they already knew. The son, husband and father died a hero.

Nic Robertson, CNN, Amman, Jordan.

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DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Daryn Kagan at CNN Center in Atlanta. More of YOUR WORLD TODAY in just a few minutes. First, let's check on stories making headlines here in the U.S.

Shots fired outside of a school in the nation's capital. Reports in to CNN say it happened about three hours ago outside of Roosevelt High School. A spokeswoman says a 19-year-old male student was shot in the back and is in critical condition. The second victim, also a student, was grazed by a bullet. Police aren't sure yet if this was a drive-by shooting or some sort of fight in the parking lot.

The charge in this next story is rape, the accused, a Delaware grade school teacher. Police say that Rachel Holt had sex with a 13- year-old male student more than two dozen times in just a week, and even let a second young boy watch on at least one occasion.

Authorities in New Castle County say Holt has admitted to the relationship. The father of the 13-year-old tipped police. He became suspicious because the science teacher was frequently calling his son at home.

Health insurance for everyone, yes, we're talking everybody. That is the goal of lawmakers in Massachusetts. The state is the first to approve a bill mandating some form of coverage for all residents. Those who can afford it but refuse to get it face tax penalties. Businesses that don't provide it would bay $295 a year per employees.

The state's Republican governor says it was a bipartisan effort.

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GOV. MITT ROMNEY (R), MASSACHUSETTS: It's a bit like the lining up of the moon and all the stars and the planets in a great gravitational pull to get Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals all to come together and say, you know what? Getting everyone health insurance is so important, we're going to put aside our major differences. We're going to find a way to do this without losing federal dollars we've been getting, without creating a new tax.

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KAGAN: And the bill will now head to the governor's desk.

Just what northern California does not need more of, rain. And now a new threat as levees give way.

Floodwaters breached a 30-foot section of a levee along a creek in Merced. Up to a foot and a half of water spilled into a mobile home park. No injuries are reported. Forecasters say they don't expect the rain to let up until the middle of the month.

In the northern plains, they're watching and waiting for the floodwaters to recede there in Fargo, North Dakota. The Red River has started to crest at a near record level and is expected to start a slow drop over the next few days.

In other parts of North Dakota and Minnesota, rivers and streams are still rising. This is the scene in Grand Forks, North Dakota, where some roads and bridges are underwater.

Chad Myers is watching all of this.

Chad, what's the latest?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, you know what? At least some good news for California.

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KAGAN: Chad, thank you.

News about network news. A big deal announced this morning by Katie Couric. She is leaving "The Today Show" to fill the anchor seat on the "CBS Evening News." She also will anchor -- she'll also be the program's managing editor.

Couric says it's time for a new challenge.

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KATIE COURIC, CO-HOST, "THE TODAY SHOW": Sometimes I think change is a good thing. Although it may be terrifying to get out of your comfort zone, it's also very exciting to start a new chapter in your life. So, for now, it's not good-bye, at least not yet, but a heartfelt thank you for 15 great years.

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KAGAN: That was a compliment, flaunting my name over Katie Couric.

Couric's friends and colleagues will share their thoughts about her big move. That's tonight on "LARRY KING LIVE," 9:00 Eastern, here on CNN.

Also former "Today Show" co-anchor Deborah Norville weighs in on Katie's big move.

Plus, 50 American heroes that every kid should meet. That's at the top of the hour on "LIVE FROM."

Meanwhile, YOUR WORLD TODAY will continue after a quick break.

I'm Daryn Kagan.

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GORANI: Welcome back to YOUR WORLD TODAY on CNN International. I'm Hala Gorani.

CLANCY: I'm Jim Clancy, and these are some of the stories that are making headlines around the world.

Saddam Hussein accusing Iraq's interior ministry of killing thousands of Iraqis as he was cross-examined by prosecutors for the first time in his six month-long trial. It has now been adjourned until Thursday. The toppled leader and seven others charged with the crackdown against Shia Muslims in the town of Dujail in 1982. Tuesday Hussein was indicted on separate charges of genocide against Kurds.

GORANI: The killing of former Sein Finn member Denis Donaldson will likely make a power-sharing arrangement in Northern Ireland more difficult. That word from Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern. Still, Mr. Ahern, he and British Prime Minister Tony Blair will push ahead with plans for a new agreement between Catholic and Protestant factions there. Donaldson, who had admitted to spying for Britain, was found shot to death on Tuesday.

CLANCY: Turning to the United States now, authorities have nabbed a prominent government official in a sex string. Brian Doyle, the deputy press secretary for the Department of Homeland Security, faces multiple charges now for using a computer to seduce a child and transmitting harmful material to a minor. Florida police say Doyle engaged in sexually explicit online conversations with someone that he believed all along was a 14-year-old girl. It wasn't. It was actually a computer crimes detective. Doyle has confessed, according to police.

Meantime, a teenage victim of child pornography testified before the U.S. Congress on Tuesday. Justin Berry says he was approached by pedophiles online. He claims they gave him money and gifts for sexual performances.

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JUSTIN BERRY, CHILD PORNOGRAPHY VICTIM: These pedophiles and predators, they'll take a child who is a normal kid, who goes to school, has their friends and they will manipulate their minds in ways you can't even imagine. For myself, the last few years, it's been deeply traumatic. It's been a life that I could have never imagined that I would have lived. And I'm just thankful to be out of it.

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GORANI: While those sexual predators are using all this new technology to trap victims in traffic and pornography, keeping up can be difficult for law enforcement.

But as Thelma Gutierrez explains, forensic investigators are using also sophisticated techniques to strike back.

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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cebu City, the Phillipines, a favorite destination for American tourists. For one California man, it was the perfect place to tour the city's Catholic churches and practice his religious devotion. The 61-year-old retired auditor, Edilberto Datan had a dark secret, and U.S. agents knew all about it.

JORGE GUZMAN, U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS AGENT: Mr. Datan went to the Philippines for the sole purpose of engaging in sex with minors.

GUTIERREZ: Agents with ICE, the Immigration Customs Enforcement Bureau in Long Beach, California, mobilized to try to catch Datan coming into the country with child pornography.

GUZMAN: ICE investigations.

GUTIERREZ: This is a rare look inside the forensic lab where ICE agents, child porn trackers, conduct their investigations.

DAVID DRASIN, U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS AGENT: The hardest part of this job is looking into their eyes and trying to imagine the pain that they must be going through.

GUTIERREZ: Assistant special agent in charge, Jorge Guzman, says after ICE agents were tipped off about Datan's trips to Cebu City, they began tracking his movements.

GUZMAN: He was engaged with sexual misconduct with these young boys, as young as 14 years old from what we've learned. They could be younger.

GUTIERREZ: According to federal authorities, Edilberto Datan enticed young boys to his room.

RUPA GOSWAMI, ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY: He would take them for food, he would offer them T-shirts or backpacks. Not huge amounts of money for access to them.

GUTIERREZ: For as little as $2, Datan took pictures of the kids with his digital camera.

GUZMAN: It also showed other young males in very disturbing scenes, including very detailed close-ups of the genital area of these young boys.

GUTIERREZ: Datan would lure as many as 18 boys to his room during his trip.

GOSWAMI: There's images of him naked with a naked child on top of him. There's also a series of photographs of the children, sort of splayed out.

GUTIERREZ: The images would be stored on small devices called memory cards or memory sticks, which he would then smuggle out of the Philippines and trade with his friend. As Datan returned to Los Angeles from the Philippines and made his way through Customs, an officer ran his passport through the database. His name was flagged. Datan was pulled aside and searched.

GUZMAN: He had three memory sticks from a camera that were taped inside the pocket of his jeans.

GUTIERREZ: A fourth stick was found in his camera. A federal search warrant turned up more than a dozens of boxes in his child pornography in his San Diego home. The boxes and his computer were seized. But to lock up their case, agents still needed to prove that Datan took the photos.

Just as investigators at a crime scene take special care with physical evidence like blood and fingerprints...

GUZMAN: We're using both databases.

GUTIERREZ: ... forensic agents would have to take special care in analyzing Datan's camera, memory sticks and computer hard drive without contaminating the original electronic evidence.

DRASIN: What we do at that point is we will make an exact duplicate copy. Some people call it a mirror image.

GUTIERREZ: When Datan's memory sticks were accessed, agents found more than a hundred photos of Filipino boys.

GUZMAN: The memory sticks was the most important piece of evidence against Mr. Datan, because it basically showed him in the act of exploiting children and basically working as a predator.

GUTIERREZ: Each photo would have to be analyzed.

DRASIN: Each child pornographic image has one digital fingertip, just like people would only have one fingerprint.

GUTIERREZ: The evidence is run through a sophisticated software program, where crucial information begins to emerge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes you'll find a camera, make, model, date the picture was taken, other internal data that the user won't see when they look at the picture.

GUTIERREZ: In addition to tying the perpetrator's camera to the crime, the digital fingerprints can also help identify the child. This digital information is run against a database in Washington of known victims of child pornography. If a match is found, investigators can identify the child.

GOSWAMI: The images are really -- they're of a crime scene, we just didn't get there in time.

GUTIERREZ: Forensic agents were able to match Edilberto Datan's camera to the images on the memory sticks he was carrying, and authorities in the Philippines were able to identify eight of Datan's victims.

GUZMAN: He never thought he was going to get caught, and what's equally disturbing is that Mr. Datan exhibited a lackadaisical attitude after being apprehended or arrested for his crime. He basically thought he had done nothing wrong. In the end, Datan pled guilty to engaging in illicit sexual conduct with minors and producing child pornography, and is now serving an 17 year sentence in federal prison.

Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Los Angeles.

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GORANI: Well, children, as we saw from that piece, of course, exploited by predators all over the world. In the age of the Internet, in the age of digital photography, pornography can be circulated more easily than ever.

Sari Locker, a psychologist and teen educator, joins us now from New York to talk more about the problem.

Sari, thanks for being with us. How has the Internet changed things?

SARI LOCKER, TEEN EDUCATOR/PSYCHOLOGIST: It's an entirely new world out there for children and for teenagers. A generation or two generations ago, of course, young people would get a glimpse at a porn magazine or maybe even a porn video when they were in this very crucial developmental time of their young years. But today, teenagers and children are looking at tons of pornography on the Internet.

Now, I don't want to sound like I'm just exaggerating about this. Research found that in the United States alone, teenagers and children, age 10 to 17, at least 25 percent are looking at explicit pornography online and 17 percent say they've been contacted online through instant message by someone soliciting them for sex.

And the numbers are even higher internationally. I can give you some of those statistics if you'd like.

GORANI: Yes, internationally. Because this show, of course, is seen around the world.

LOCKER: Yes. Well, in Australia, there was a study that found that 27 percent of teenagers have been contacted online by someone who is asking for some kind of sexual -- online sexual interaction. In Britain, it was about 24 percent. So here I am in the U.S. You know, we're not alone here with problems that we're having with teenagers.

GORANI: But do you find when you speak to young people and teenagers that they are aware that the risk is out there? That when they are contacted online, that they should have their -- that their radar should be on, that they should immediately reject offers or not.

LOCKER: The teen years are very confusing when it comes to issues of sexuality. Teenagers who I speak with often tell me that they're excited about the fact that can look up pornographic images online because of their natural curiosity about it. But when it comes to the topic of being solicited by predators, they don't understand that when someone sends them an instant message online, or when they go into a chat room, that they should never respond. There are too many teenagers who say...

GORANI: Still teenagers are not clear on what to do?

LOCKER: Exactly right. They get confused by the attention. They say he was just sending me an instant message, and he liked my online profile, and I thought it would be fun to chat online. They don't understand how dangerous it is.

GORANI: Tell us, what should parents tell their children and their teenagers? What should they -- how do they get to them? What's the most effective way of making them realize that when somebody sends you a message or e-mail online asking you to do something or soliciting you, that you should immediately reject that?

LOCKER: First of all, there is no reason why children need to be in chat rooms, why they need to be instant messaging with someone other than their best friends, or why they need to own something like a Web cam. So the first step is parents need to make rules, that their children are not allowed to do any of these things, nor should the children be allowed to have personal Web pages. So that's the first thing. Parents need to make rules.

In terms of what the parents should say to the children, just really explain to them a stranger online can be worse than a stranger in person. And the child or teen could always tell if someone solicits them online. Researchers found that only 25 percent of the people who have been solicited online will even tell a parent, and of those cases, it's less than 10 percent that ever make it to the parent telling law enforcement, or even telling the Internet service provider.

GORANI: And always talk about it. LOCKER: Always. And believe that it's also crucial that Internet service providers and credit card companies start taking responsibility, because those are the vehicles that are allowing the pay interactions to happen, and that needs to stop.

GORANI: All right, Dr. Sari Locker, a psychologist...

LOCKER: I'm not a doctor quite yet.

GORANI: Good luck with the rest of your studies, if that's where your headed.

LOCKER: Yes, thank you.

GORANI: Thank you very much.

All right, a short break.

CLANCY: OK, a tough turn here, but it's lunchtime in the United States, and...

GORANI: Dinner time in the Middle East. But any time is a great time apparently for a Shanghai specialty.

CLANCY: That's right, coming up, secrets of one of the city's world famous foods. It's part of our special series this week "Eye on China." We'll whet our appetites just ahead.

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GORANI: Welcome back here with YOUR WORLD TODAY.

CLANCY: As one of China's most cosmopolitan cities, Shanghai, also a city of international taste.

GORANI: But no trip to the city is complete without trying his famous soup dumplings, and luckily for Kristie Lu Stout, she is in Shanghai and couldn't resist a bite in this edition of "Our Eye on China."

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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Tucked away in the Eu (ph) Garden is a Shanghai institution, the Nansha (ph) Dumpling House. It may be 100 years old, but still draws the crowd. All this clamor for a taste of shaw lambow (ph), Shanghai's famous steamed dumplings.

(on camera): Now I'm in the kitchen here at the Nansha Dumpling restaurant with Sun Wing Yin (ph). He is one of the chefs, and he's going to show us exactly how he makes the celebrated Shanghai dumpling. You can see it's made with a very thin skin of dough. After he's prepared the very thin pastry, he stuffs it inside. There's a variety of stuffings that you can use, minced pork, and this one right here is minced pork with the crab mix inside. There's also vegetarian options as well. How do you get the celebrated soup inside the dumpling? Well, this is the secret. What they do is they take a cool -- they basically cool a concentrated stock of pork broth, they stick it in the fridge, and then it becomes a jelly. Now the jelly they then mix in here with the pork and the other ingredients, and they put it inside.

(voice-over): It takes you up to 10 minutes to steam a basket, and then ready to serve.

(on camera): Now eating the shaw lambow is also an art form. Especially if you want to enjoy them without getting the juices on your shirt, or without burning your tongue.

So this is how you do it. First of all, you gently pick up the shaw lambow with your chopsticks, and you put it into your spoon.

This is my mode of eating them. I like to bite a tiny hold right in the side. And by doing that, I can have the juices inside cool off, and through the tiny hole sip the broth. And if the Broth is the important thing in the shaw lambow, well, this restaurant has gone one step further with a dumpling made only of broth.

(voice-over): But eating is the easy part. Back in the kitchen, it's time for another lesson.

(on camera): I'm going to follow Sun Wing Yin's instruction now to learn how to wrap a perfect shaw lambow. I use my left thumb to push the pork filling down, while using my right hand to bring up the dough, and I'm making a complete and utter mess. This is actually quite difficult to make. I thought I'd eaten enough of this stuff, I might be able to make it. But my gosh, this is impossible. I really don't want to serve this to anyone.

(voice-over): Kristie Lu Stout, CNN, Shanghai.

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GORANI: You can put a straw in there.

CLANCY: Into a dumpling, never seen that before. Must be good.

GORANI: Our "Eye on China" coverage continues all week here on CNN with live reports from our Kristie Lu Stout, who you just saw there and who's in Shanghai.

CLANCY: And we sure to join me for "CNN CONNECTS" this Saturday, the price of progress. Hear from regional experts and their views on how to balance double-digit growth, and at the same time, try to protect the environment. We videotaped that when we were in Shanghai just last week. You can see it at 1400 hours Greenwich Meantime.

In London, environmentalists talking about an unusual way to recycle old telephones.

GORANI: Now coming up, a creative call for conservation. Stay with us.

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GORANI: We're introducing a new spot on YOUR WORLD TODAY. Every Wednesday, we'll be taking a look at how science and technology are changing our world.

CLANCY: Our resident geek girl, Femi Oke. I hate to call you that.

FEMI OKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm glad Hala is sitting in between us.

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CLANCY: I know, so you can't hit me.

GORANI: I'm keeping you two apart.

CLANCY: Anyway, this week she's going to look at a new kind of mobile telephone that's so green you can plant with it. That's amazing.

OKE: That's a good one. In the United States alone, we produce more than 236 million tons of waste according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which means that unless we want to drown in our own rubbish, recycling is the way to go.

So let me take you now from the CNN here in Atlanta to London's Science Museum. And that's on the other side of the Atlantic. And this cutting-edge museum is currently showcasing the very latest in electronic recycling. One of the most curious inventions is a mobile phone that grows into a plant.

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OKE (voice-over): By some estimates, nearly 1,800 mobile phones are discarded every day in the United Kingdom. Many countries have mobile phone recycling laws, but it can be a costly and difficult process. But a British university has helped to develop a novel solution.

In a greenhouse in central England, a mobile phone case is being carefully buried. The phone may have died but the technology lives on. Investor Peter Morris has come up with a recyclable mobile case which also contains a sunflower seed.

PETER MORRIS, INVENTOR: Basically, it's a biodegradable phone cover that's encapsulated with a seed, so when the phone is finished with, you can take the cover off, plant the phone cover in the ground, and basically it will biodegrade and you get a sunflower.

OKE: Sounds odd, but apparently it does work. Once the case is buried, it takes two weeks for your phone case to grow, and while it breaks down it also feeds your sunflower. The inventors hope to have the flower mobiles on the market before the end of the year. (END VIDEOTAPE)

OKE: And that is quite clearly a phone that grows on you. Actually, have a look at his one. Jim, Hala, this could grow -- my phone is so big it could grow a couple of acres of sunflowers, don't you think?

GORANI: Wait, is this the biodegradable kind? No.

OKE: It could be. We could throw that one away.

GORANI: Could we?

OKE: It's so big, isn't it?

GORANI: And your case?

OKE: And that is changing after this week. Next week, I have a great story for you. In Burundi, there are pygmies known as the Twa. And an environmental project went in and worked with them, and they grew to normal height.

GORANI: They were tall?

OKE: So they were never meant to be short. Yes, they were never meant to be short, it's just that they were malnourished. It is the most amazing story. I will bring that to you in next week's "Changing Earth." I always felt pygmies were supposed to be short.

CLANCY: Well, this could be a very important story. The Twa have been really discriminated against.

OKE: Yes, the kids are now normal height. It's an incredible story. I'm really excited about it.

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GORANI: We look forward to it. Femi Oke, thanks very much.

OKE: You're very welcome.

GORANI: Now, for our viewers in the U.S., LIVE FROM with Fredricka Whitfield is next.

CLANCY: And for the rest of you, stay tuned. YOUR WORLD TODAY will continue right after this short break.

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