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More Information on Canadian Terror Suspects; President Bush Pushing for Constitutional Ban on Same-Sex Marriage; Memorial Service for Members of Slain Indiana Family

Aired June 4, 2006 - 18:00   ET

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UNKNOWN MALE: Gunmen reportedly ordered everyone out of their vehicles, separated the Shiites from the Sunnis. The Shiites were shot dead.

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Ethnic slaughter in Iraq, why are Iraqis killing each other, with American troops caught in the middle?

And come to a secret bomb making factory in the Middle East. You will be shocked as terrorists show CNN how they kill.

And should the constitution ban gay marriage? Why this may be the top of the president's agenda tomorrow morning.

And will Ralph, Norton, Alice, Trixie have a honeymoon that could make marine life history? This is CNN SUNDAY. I'm Carol Lin. Let's link you up to the headlines on the Web around the world and to what's happening right now.

Forty Iraqis killed in attacks across Iraq today. The worst attack north of Baghdad. Gunmen dragged passengers of two minibuses and a car. And 20 were shot dead. Seven victims were teenagers and five were elderly. Most were Shiites.

A soldier with the 28th infantry division was killed in Al Anbar Province. The military did not release any details of how he died. But that province is a hotbed for insurgent activity.

And Senator Joseph Biden wants Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to step down. Biden holds him accountable for the alleged massacre in Haditha by U.S. troops. A live report in just three minutes.

In Iran, tough words from the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. He says if the U.S. makes a wrong move against Iran, that country will disrupt the flow of oil out of the Middle East. U.S. officials don't seem worried.

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CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: The oil card, let's just remember that Iran is some 80 percent dependent on oil and its budget and so not really able to live without, with a disruption as well. Let's just allow the diplomacy to work.

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LIN: Seventeen terror suspects arrested in Toronto. They're expected to make court appearances this week. Now police say they were inspired by al Qaeda and had three times the amount of explosives that blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building.

Laura VanRyn is being remembered in Michigan today. She was actually killed in an accident last month, but her parents thought they were sitting bedside vigil at her hospital bed while she recovered. Well that girl turned out to be a classmate, Whitney Cerak.

Secret Service agents arrest a man trying to jump the White House fence. Agents say he had a plastic bag that ended up on the other side of the fence. The bags were checked for explosives but none were found.

Our top story tonight, civilians pulled from their cars and massacred. It happened north of Baghdad. Police say the motive was sectarian hatred. Reporting from Baghdad, CNN's John Vause.

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is the aftermath of an execution, according to Iraqi police, mostly students, on their way to class, shot dead it seems, because of their religious sect. It all happened not far from Baqubah, north of Baghdad, an area under the control of the Iraqi army. Gunmen reportedly ordered everyone out of their vehicles, separated the Shiites from the Sunnis, the Shiites were shot dead, the Sunnis allowed to go free.

Around the same time in Baghdad's Sadr City, four workers from a telecommunications company, killed in what appears to be a drive-by shooting. And to the south in Basra, a firefight at a Sunni mosque. Iraqi police say suspected insurgents were inside. As they moved in, nine people were killed, another six arrested. They claimed to have found two cars packed full of explosives. But Sunni leaders say police shot dead seven guards. Nine others were arrested and later killed.

In a country desperate for security, the parliament still can't decide who will be in charge of the army and who will run the police. These are two crucial ministries defense and the interior. The Iraqi prime minister has been struggling for weeks to find a candidate suitable to both Shiites and Sunnis, and there's still no word on when a compromise may be found. John Vause, CNN, Baghdad.

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LIN: All of this happening along with the fallout now with the investigation into a marine shoot out in Haditha. Ed Henry live at the White House. Ed?

ED HENRY, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Carol. There's growing pressure on the Bush administration over last November's alleged massacre of 15 Iraqi civilians.

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HENRY: Democrat Joe Biden, a likely presidential candidate, declared the blame for Haditha goes all the way up the chain of command to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

SEN. JOE BIDEN (D-DE), FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE: He should be gone. He shouldn't be in his office tomorrow morning. When you make serious mistakes, you step forward and you acknowledge them and you walk away.

HENRY: Retired Major General John Batiste also charged that even though the investigation is not complete --

MAJ. GEN. JOHN BATISTE, U.S. ARMY (RETIRED): I however see a direct link between Haditha, the national embarrassment of Abu Ghraib, going on four years now of uncontrollable chaos in Iraq with the bad judgment, poor decisions of secretary of defense back in late 2003 and 2004.

HENRY: Biden and Batiste have previously called for Rumsfeld to resign and the defense secretary shows no signs of stepping down. A pentagon spokesman could not be reached for comment but another retired general said there should not be a rush to judgment.

MAJ. GEN. DON SHEPPERD, U.S. AIR FORCE (RET.): In my opinion it's absolutely wrong in the face of Haditha, before you know what's gone on to call for the resignation of anybody and also then put in this perspective. Do you fire the police chief every time one of his officers does something wrong? No.

HENRY: But there's growing pressure on the Bush administration over the November incident, in which the marines initially reported 15 Iraqi civilians died in a roadside bomb. A later report suggested the victims may have been caught in a firefight. Military investigators now strongly suspect a small number of marines went on a rampage.

SEN. CARL LEVIN, (D) ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE: This looks like from all appearances a real massacre. There's a, finally an investigation that is taking place, but there's also the real possibility of a cover-up here.

HENRY: Top Bush officials are vowing to get to the bottom of the allegations.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: We are going to be certain that there is a thorough investigation of any of these incidents. We're going to protect the rights of the accused, so that there is due process, and then there will be action taken, given the outcome.

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HENRY: Secretary Rice added most American soldiers are serving with honor and dignity, a fact that she said must not be forgotten during these investigations. Carol? LIN: So Ed, beyond all these statements today, do you know if the president is going to be addressing Iraq in any way this coming week?

HENRY: Well in general, specifically on Haditha, the White House really doesn't want the president to be commenting too much publicly. They say they don't want to interfere with this investigation. Really, in the early part of the week in general, we do not expect much on Iraq. Instead tomorrow we expect a very public statement from the president on same-sex marriage which is going to be debated as you know in the senate this week Carol.

LIN: Alright Ed, thank you very much.

Now on to another investigation. Today the military said an American mortar round killed three Iraqi civilians Friday near Baquba. A statement says the shell was fired during training from a U.S. base. It damaged six homes. In addition to the dead, four Iraqis were wounded.

Target Toronto, officials believe the city was in the sights of 17 terror suspects. First their arrests and now questions of how far their influence actually went. Our Kyung Lah is in Washington live. Kyung, what more do you know?

KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well Carol today we are learning a little bit more about the suspects themselves. According to their attorneys, they are college students, fathers and some who have never been in trouble.

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LAH: Family members in disbelief as they arrived at the courthouse Saturday, saying their sons are not terrorists.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm shocked. It's crazy. It's just crazy. It has no meaning whatsoever.

LAH: An attorney for two of the suspects called the charges vague.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His family's well-established long standing residents and citizens of Canada for the past 50 years.

LAH: The Canadian authorities paint a very different picture, saying the 17 suspects acquired three times the ammonium nitrate used to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City and had equipment like this cell phone, connected to a detonator. The targets? Toronto's high profile buildings according to a senior Canadian official. Apparently no U.S. targets but the arrests raised concern across the border.

LEVIN: We got a longer border with Canada than we do with Mexico. We have thousands of trucks that come in every day, many of them not inspected. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People should be concerned, but they should take comfort that their northern neighbor is on top of things, and working very hard to stay on top of things.

LAH: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice applauded the Canadian effort.

RICE: We've improved border security immensely through technology and also through cooperation, so we are very comfortable with the counterterrorism cooperation with Canada and the border security cooperation.

LAH: But a U.S. counterterrorism source says investigators believe the suspects had contacts beyond Canada's borders. The source confirms to CNN a story first reported in the "L.A. Times" that some of the Canadian terrorism suspects communicated with British suspects arrested last fall. The source also confirms two of the Canadian suspects exchanged e-mails with two Americans arrested on terrorism charges this spring from Atlanta, Georgia. In Toronto, the chief of police appeared with Muslim leaders in a show of support. He condemned overnight vandalism on a Toronto mosque and urged calm in the nervous Muslim Canadian community.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Justice will be done and in the interim, I hope that we can all work together to maintain the respect and trust and peace of our communities.

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LAH: Well the police chief promises that that case will be fully investigated. As far as the 17 suspects, they are due in court on Tuesday. Carol?

LIN: Kyung thank you so much. CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of news that affects your security. So stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.

President Bush is pushing for a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. He plans to discuss the issue tomorrow in a White House meeting with clergy and community leaders who support it. Now the measure is up for debate in the senate this week.

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SEN. GEORGE ALLEN, (R) VIRGINIA: What will happen is some states, say Massachusetts or another, will allow two people of the same gender to be married. They will move to another state, full faith and credit will be accorded to that act of another state, so this amendment will, I think, reflect the will of the people in the states to protect them from activist judges.

SEN. CARL LEVIN, (D) MICHIGAN: We have adopted a law by an overwhelming majority during the Clinton administration which says that no state has to recognize a marriage from another state if it would not be recognized in its own state and we ought to leave it to the states and I will vote not to amend our constitution to do what the states can and should do.

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LIN: President Bush insists the ban will protect marriage from being redefined by "activist courts" but he faces an uphill battle. Right now the ban does not have enough support in the senate to pass.

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I was with the marines in Haditha a month before the alleged killings last November with the same battalion that's under investigation.

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LIN: So what did those marines face day after day? We are going to show you at the bottom of the hour.

But in 10 minutes, religious missionaries dedicating themselves to donating their kidneys. Why some say it's not a good thing.

And next, how the manhunt for a mass murder suspect ended in Indiana. You're watching CNN, the most trusted name in news.

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LIN: An Indiana community breathes easier after a mass murder suspect surrenders to police. Police say they put pressure on people close to Desmond Turner to make sure he had no place to go. Here's CNN's Keith Oppenheim.

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KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He was on the loose for two full days but Indianapolis police said their prime murder suspect, Desmond Turner, wouldn't get far.

DEP. CHIEF CLIFFORD MYERS, INDIANAPOLIS POLICE: He still is considered armed and dangerous, and we will pursue every single lead that we get.

OPPENHEIM: They were right. After more than 100 officers worked the case, serving warrants, following tips, and searching homes, Desmond Turner gave up. By Saturday evening, a confidential informant called authorities and said Turner was ready to surrender. Police say at a fast food restaurant, Turner showed up with his minister and was arrested.

DEP. CHIEF TIM FOLEY, INDIANAPOLIS POLICE: It's my judgment that Mr. Turner had no place to go. He didn't turn himself in out of remorse. He turned himself in because he had nowhere to go.

OPPENHEIM: It was on Thursday evening that seven people in one family were shot with assault rifles in this east side Indianapolis home. Police called it a robbery, but haven't determined what, if anything, was taken. Alberto Covarrubias, his wife Emma, their four children and one 5-year-old grandson, three generations, were all dead.

It just can't be real.

OPPENHEIM: Family members poured out their grief. On Friday, they would learn police arrested an accomplice, 30-year-old James Stewart, but it wasn't until the prime suspect was in custody relatives could express a small sense of relief. If you could say something to Mr. Turner what would you say?

LUIS JUAREZ, RELATIVE OF VICTIM: I hope he takes the time to think what he did and this guy is going to pay for what he did.

OPPENHEIM: Residents in Indianapolis have been shocked and frightened by these murders.

LACEY ROADRUCK, NEIGHBOR: Just to think that somebody, you know, anybody could just come in your house like that and do anything like that, the mind of that, it's just scary.

OPPENHEIM: Once in custody, police say Desmond Turner didn't talk much, but did ask one question. Charged with seven counts of felony murder, he apparently wanted to know if the maximum penalty is life without parole. Turner was told, no, the maximum in Indiana is the death penalty. Keith Oppenheim, CNN, Indianapolis.

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LIN: A memorial service is happening tonight for members of that slain Indiana family. Reporter Alex Sanz of CNN affiliate WTHR has a live report now from Indianapolis.

ALEX SANZ, WTHR REPORTER: Carol, for the better part of the past 48 hours we've watched as many of the families' relatives have made their way here to Indiana. Many of course coming from as far away as California and Texas, many from Mexico. Many are here tonight for that memorial service which is just now getting under way here on the east side of Indianapolis. Behind me you can see what is a gathering of people that numbers close to 200 or 300 right now. As we say that prayer service about to get under way here and really, it is really indicative of the kind of support that many people in this neighborhood, in this community have given this family.

As we reported just a couple of moments ago, the fact that Desmond Turner is off the streets of Indianapolis tonight is really of little consolation to the family because it does nothing at all to ease their pain and really, this is the beginning of what is going to be a very long week of healing for the family, with many of the funerals for the seven victims beginning as early as tomorrow. I should mention that I spent part of the morning at the family's church just a couple of days away and every indication their friends gave us, today was that this is a family that was very involved with their church, a family that was very dedicated to their lives here in Indianapolis and above that, a family that had been very dedicated to God.

In fact, just a couple of weeks ago, some of the children had taken their first communion at the church. Today at the church, the pew where the family had for so many years, for well over 10 years, sat and prayed with so many of their friends and neighbors here in Indianapolis, that pew just five rows from the front of the altar they had placed seven red roses, one for each family member killed, to remember them today. And that is what a lot of people are doing tonight, remembering and reflecting the lives of the seven people that have died, really the beginning of what is going to be for a lot of the people here in Indianapolis, a very long, healing period in the coming weeks and months ahead.

LIN: Alex, thank you so much. A somber scene behind you.

In other news across America right now, room service with a twist. An inmate who slipped out of jail in Washington, D.C. is now behind bars again. Police arrested Joseph Leaks at a hotel outside the city this morning. Another inmate who escaped with Leaks is still on the run.

Nebraska police arrest a New York elementary school teacher. The 37-year-old man is accused of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl he met on the Internet. Police say the girl has a mild form of autism.

In our next hour, we are going to have a live interview on how parents at work are tracking what their kids are doing online at home.

Well it took a bit but there it is, the walls came tumbling down. You're looking at an implosion of a high-rise building at Ft. Myer army base in Arlington, Virginia. The 12 story building had been used as a training ground for military troops and the feds.

Well the ethics of organ donations.

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It really concerns me that these surgeons know who they are and are still doing these surgeries.

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LIN: Critics call them the kidney cult, but supporters say they are saving lives. Up next, the Christian missionaries willing to give up their kidneys for total strangers.

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LIN: There is a small group of people around the world who donate their kidneys to total strangers for free. Though it sounds like a Godsend, since thousands of people need kidneys, there is a growing backlash. Elizabeth Cohen takes a look at this.

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ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Kathleen Sampson is in the middle of surgery, to remove her left kidney and give it to a complete stranger, out of the goodness of her heart. Kathleen has never met this man.

But they have something in common. Barry Mendez is also doing something most of us would never dream of. Giving a kidney to someone he doesn't know. But Barry's inspiration is different from Kathleen's.

BARRY MENDEZ, JESUS CHRISTIANS: It's a comic about Jesus. It's the Gospel of John in picture form.

COHEN: He's a member of a religious group where most of the members have given kidneys. His case and others like it raise a question -- is the need for organs so desperate that hospitals and doctors will take donors they shouldn't?

Barry and his group, the Jesus Christians, travel the world in trailers, preaching the gospel.

MENDEZ: We're just a bunch of Christians who just live together like -- like the early Christians did.

COHEN: Out of the 28 Jesus Christians worldwide, 15 have given kidneys. In Australia, where the group was founded, the government for the state of Victoria is so suspicious of the Jesus Christians they've been banned from donating to strangers.

MENDEZ: I've done something to help someone and that is the message of love basically that what from my understanding was what Jesus was trying to teach us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, to a bizarre cult targeting young Australians.

COHEN: The Australian press refers to the Jesus Christian as the kidney cult. Charging that leader David McKay coerces members into donating like he did in 2003.

DAVID MCKAY, FOUNDER, JESUS CHRISTIANS: I've considered it a privilege and I've been fighting and struggling to get in there, into the queue and get it over with, you know, so I can, I can feel that satisfaction, that if I died afterwards that at least somebody is going to live on with my kidney.

COHEN: McKay says the Jesus Christians are not a cult and he's never coerced any of them into donating a kidney.

DONNA LUEBKE, UNITED NETWORK FOR ORGAN SHARING: I think there needs to be an investigation into what centers are doing those surgeries and to really look at the coercive nature of that cult or that religion, whatever you want to call it. But it really concerns me that these surgeons know who they are and are still doing these surgeries.

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LIN: "CNN PRESENTS" takes an in-depth look at the risks and the rewards of organ donation tonight. Check out "Body Parts" beginning at 8:00 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN.

Now coming up, allegations of war crimes in Iraq by U.S. troops. Should Donald Rumsfeld be held responsible?

And to the front lines --

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I have been pinned down on rooftops with them for hours, taking incoming fire, and seeing them not fire a shot back, because they had not positively identified a shooter.

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LIN: That was our Arwa Damon, she is with the marine battalion at the center of the Haditha investigation. Our correspondent traveled with that unit just a month before the alleged murders.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: That's the thing about suicide, it sort of leaves those who survive it with --

LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Guilt?

COOPER: Everything, guilt and anger.

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LIN: We have more from our own Anderson Cooper who opens up about his brother's suicide to Larry King, that's coming up in 15 minutes. But first here's what's happening right now in the news.

They were pulled off a bus and asked to name their religion. At least 20 people were killed when masked gunmen stopped two buses and a car and ordered the passengers off and opened fire. Most or all of the dead were Shiites and some were teenagers.

Also today in Iraq, the military announced that a U.S. soldier was killed yesterday in the Anbar Province. U.S. troop deaths now nearing 2,500. And a suicide bombing leaves four civilians dead in southern Afghanistan. Witnesses say a Canadian military convoy was targeted. The convoy was carrying a provincial governor.

Reports say 17 suspects in Canada may have fallen for a sting operation. They say Canadian authorities made Friday's terror arrests after setting up a deal for tons of ammonium nitrate. Canada's top envoy added more details on CNN's "LATE EDITION."

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MICHAEL WILSON, CANADIAN AMBASSADOR TO U.S.: My understanding of it is that the Internet played a very important part of it. Whether there is a direct inspiration or an indirect inspiration, the Internet was, according to the police, was a very important part of their activities.

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LIN: Iran's former leader -- actually supreme leader plays the oil card. In a speech in Tehran, the Ayatollah Khamenei said a wrong move by Washington could jeopardize the oil supply that comes from the Persian Gulf.

The Senate this week considers a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Right now the measure does not have the support needed to pass.

And a man was arrested by the Secret Service today as he tried to jump a fence at the White House. President Bush was away at the time.

Haditha and accountability. A top Democrat wants the defense secretary to step down. Senator Joe Biden told NBC's "Meet the Press" that accountability for Haditha and other alleged atrocities in Iraq should go all the way up to Donald Rumsfeld.

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BIDEN: He should be gone. He shouldn't be in his office tomorrow morning. But I'm so tired of saying this on your show. I've been saying it for two years.

TIM RUSSERT, HOST, MEET THE PRESS: Well the president knew about it in March.

BIDEN: We can't get rid of the president. He's there for two and a half more years. There is a system of accountability. The system of accountability is -- it used to be a gentlemanly thing, as they say, when you make serious mistakes, you step forward and you acknowledge them and you walk away. Presidents can't and shouldn't do that. Secretaries of defense can and should.

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LIN: Two investigations into the Haditha incidents are being conducted. One focuses on the killings, the other on a possible cover up.

Now Torie Clarke was Rumsfeld's spokeswoman. She is now a CNN contributor and Fredricka Whitfield asked her about the Haditha investigations and whether the Pentagon's credibility is now on the line.

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TORIE CLARKE, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: I think you have to be very careful. We are talking about a handful of incidents, horrible, absolutely horrible. Appalling, whether you are talking Abu Ghraib or what seems to have happened in Haditha. But if we want to be responsible about this and be useful then we have to put it in the correct context, which clearly these are aberrations. So, but on the credibility point, is it a blow to the credibility or the reputation, say, of the marines? If so, it is a short-term one, because the majority of the time the marines and everyone in the military handled these affairs very, very seriously and garner a great deal of well-deserved credibility because of that.

Now what's going to determine how serious a ding this is to the marines reputation is how they handle it going forward. So far I have seen them trying to be as transparent as possible, saying yes, something bad has happened, we're getting to the bottom of it. If crimes were committed, then those people will be dealt with very, very severely. So so far I see them making a really, really good effort to be transparent and straightforward about this.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: So the U.S. military operations in Iraq, obviously very difficult, to say the very least. Now with these reported incidents now being investigated and now even with Iraqi leaders saying wait a minute, let's get to the bottom of this, what are the challenges now that these troops are facing as they walk the streets -- as they patrol the streets of Iraq, making a difficult task that much more hard?

CLARKE: Sure. That's one of the reasons people in the military take these sorts of things so seriously. It's not just the atrocity may have been committed and it should be dealt with. But it's also because you don't want to do anything that will increase antagonism to people in U.S. uniforms. So that's one of the reasons they are taking it so seriously, it can raise that level of antagonism and to your point, could make their jobs harder.

But, again, it's frustrating. I know we don't have time to present the complete picture. I know we don't have time every day to focus on some of the good things that are happening. But some good things are happening. Nobody has asked me or talked about Iraqi security forces in months, but the reality is the Iraqi security forces are doing better, which is a very positive thing.

And the Iraqi people see that, and the Iraqi people see the U.S. efforts to give the Iraqi security forces more responsibility for what's going on in their country. Those things are helping everyday.

Do we take two steps back when something like this happens? Absolutely. But slowly but surely, I would like to think the progress is more positive than we are giving them credit for.

WHITFIELD: Victoria Clarke, thanks much.

CLARKE: Thank you.

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LIN: All the better that every week we take a personal look at the front lines of war and what could be more personal than knowing the men in the marine battalion accused of slaughtering civilians in Haditha? It just so happens that our Arwa Damon traveled with that battalion days before the alleged killings. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ARWA DAMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was not until I went back months later and looked again at the video you're watching now that it hit me. I was with the Marines in Haditha a month before the alleged killings last November, with the same battalion that's under investigation: the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines.

It was on its third tour of duty in Iraq, having lost 30 of its members on its previous deployment during the battle of Fallujah. What I remember most are the IEDs, the roadside bombs. On the way to the operation, the Humvee that I was in was hit by an IED. If it had hit another two inches back, we would have all been dead.

The city of Haditha seemed to be a mine field of IEDs, daisy- chained up and down the main road, buried on street corners. In fact, the number of times that we were told we were standing right on top of an IED minutes before it was found turned into a dark joke between the Marines and our CNN team. It was our way of coping.

The Iraqis here were wary, not unfriendly, but keeping their distance, watching behind closed doors as Marines searched their city. It was not the first time they had seen the Marines operate here.

I have been on countless operations up and down the Euphrates River Valley with other Marine battalions, going into cities and towns where closed doors sometimes were rigged with IEDs, or had an insurgent waiting with an AK-47, or a frightened family.

And it's a split-second decision to fire or not. The wrong decision could mean a dead Marine or a dead innocent civilian. How they didn't pull the trigger at the first movement they saw sometimes, I don't know, but I did not see that happen.

I have been pinned down on rooftops with them for hours, taking incoming fire, and seen them not fire a shot back, because they had not positively identified a shooter. In this case, they thought they had a positive I.D. and fired a tank round. Wounded civilians streamed out. The Marines seemed horrified and rushed to help.

I was not in Haditha for the killings now under investigation, but given the restraint I saw on so many operations, I found myself asking, could it really be true? Could there have been intentional killings of civilians? I don't know.

Arwa Damon, CNN.

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LIN: Coming up, it's a place rarely seen by the outside world. Up next, we're going to take you inside a Palestinian rocket factory.

And our own Anderson Cooper talks to Larry King about his family's shocking loss, the suicide of his brother.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LIN: Israelis, both soldiers and civilians, routinely targeted by Palestinian militants fighting the Jewish state, often using homemade rockets. Well a militant group recently took CNN's Ben Wedeman to a secret bomb-making factory in Gaza. And it's a story you will only see right here on CNN.

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BEN WEDEMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In a nondescript hovel somewhere in Gaza, masked men mix a witches' brew of chemicals. This is a rocket workshop, where members of the Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, under strict secrecy, go about their deadly business.

To get to the workshop, we changed cars three times, riding in one with the group's gunman. We were blindfolded in the last one.

The chief engineer, masked to protect his identity, goes by the name of Ahmed.

With chilling professionalism, he explains how they melt aluminum to make the rocket's components; how they mix the toxic ingredients for the propellant in this basin. "One of our guys was killed by these chemicals," he says.

The mixture is then put in plastic tubs to dry in the sun. Eventually, it becomes a fine white powder. "Abu Ahmed" declines to say what they use to make the propellant "because the enemy is always on the lookout to stop us getting the materials," he tells me.

The powder is heated and stirred over a fire until it turns into a gritty paste.

(on camera): The group says they can make as many as 50 rockets a week and ironically almost all of the raw materials they use come from Israel.

(voice-over): For extra lethal effect, they pack parcels of metal shards into the warhead. One of these rockets recently crashed into a school classroom in the Israeli town of Sderot. It would have resulted in a massacre had the students been in the room at the time.

These are crude weapons, without guidance systems, designed to inflict maximum casualties. Fired on a daily basis, they don't differentiate between soldier and civilian.

The Israeli Army says Palestinian groups have fired more than 5,000 rockets in the last six years, killing 13 civilians and two soldiers in the past two years.

In a nearby grove, the rocket unit's leader, Halled Jabadi (ph), brushed off the savagery of targeting innocent civilians. "We will rain down more rockets on the Israelis," he vows, "until they pressure their government to leave our land."

The Israeli Army regularly bombards areas from where the rockets are fired, hitting northern Gaza, with more than 5,000 rounds so far this year. At least six Palestinians have been killed by the shelling, according to Palestinian medical sources.

Both sides are paying a high price for this rain of rockets.

Ben Wedeman, CNN, Gaza.

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LIN: Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert traveled to Egypt today. And on the agenda, talks with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Olmert said they discussed the difficult living conditions of the Palestinians and steps Israel would take to to, quote, "avoid a human catastrophe."

More than 30 years since the end of a deeply unpopular war, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld arrived today in Vietnam. Now en route to Hanoi, Rumsfeld told reporters he's seeking deeper military ties with the country's communist government.

China does not acknowledge what really happened 17 years ago today in Tianamen Square. On that day, the government opened fire on pro-democracy demonstrators. Beijing calls it a counter-revolutionary riot.

Well from the tsunami in Asia to Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, CNN's Anderson Cooper has reported from the world's worst human tragedies. Now on CNN's "LARRY KING LIVE," Anderson opens up about a tragedy in his own life, the suicide of his brother in 1988. Carter Cooper jumped from his family's 14th floor apartment right in front of their mother, Gloria Vanderbilt.

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KING: Did you rush right back to New York to be with your mom?

COOPER: I did. I did. I drove back. The shuttle -- it was late at night. It was already past -- so the planes weren't running. So I rented a car and drove back all night.

KING: What were you thinking?

COOPER: You know, I was angry. I was angry at him for doing that, for doing it in front of my mother. I mean, that I couldn't -- I just couldn't wrap my mind around that he had done it in front of my mother.

And you know, I was incredibly sad. I mean, that's the thing about suicide, it sort of leaves those who survive it with...

KING: Guilt.

COOPER: ...everything. Guilt and anger and...

KING: It's selfish, isn't it?

COOPER: In some ways... KING: Insensitive...

COOPER: Yes, I mean...

KING: It's been called that, a selfish act.

COOPER: Yes. In some ways. I mean, but I think -- I also understand that, you know, people aren't thinking right. I mean it's not -- I mean for some, it may be a rational act, a decision. For others, it's an impulse. For others, it's something that emerges from within them and they can't stop it. It's a rush. It's a desire to cease pain.

KING: Have you studied it a lot? By that, I mean, have you done interviews a lot with people...

COOPER: I have, yes. I mean, I try to focus a lot on it. I think depression is a major issue in the United States. And we actually focus a lot on it on the program. I've had Mike Wallace on a lot. I've had his wife on, and done some events with them.

You know, there's such a mystery to it and so many questions still and so much research that still needs to be done. But depression is just, it's just, I mean it is a killer and it is a terrible, terrible thing.

KING: All right, how did your mother handle this afterwards?

COOPER: Yes, she handled it. I don't really know how she did it, but she survived. I mean, she -- there was for the day -- I mean, as I write in the book, there was a feeling for days afterward that we were sort of on life raft. And I remember sort of sitting on her bed, feeling like the bed was this life raft. And some people who -- friends of the family, who we thought would be able to, like help out, wouldn't, couldn't, they just couldn't deal with it, or couldn't -- suicide sort of upsets people in some ways.

And then some people totally surprised us. You know, people I didn't even think were particularly close, but came incredibly close.

KING: What was the funeral like?

COOPER: Oh, it was so...

KING: Funeral of a suicide?

COOPER: It was so strange. I mean, it was so -- to me, it felt as if the city had shut down. And I mean, of course, it hadn't. You know, the world keeps spinning and life is going on. But the block was closed off, and there were all these spectators and all these cameras and people taking pictures.

And I remember sort of being upset about that, and sort of being angry that, you know, people were taking -- you know, when we went to view my brother's body at the funeral home, that there were cameras waiting for us. And I now have been on the other side of those cameras. And so I'm much more sensitive to, you know, to that, having been the recipient of it.

KING: You became one of them?

COOPER: Yes. Yes.

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LIN: To catch the rest of Anderson Cooper's story, tune into a special edition of "LARRY KING LIVE," tonight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern, 7:00 Pacific. Now the hour before, Elizabeth Taylor is going to spill her secrets to Larry King. That's tonight at 9:00 p.m. Eastern, 6:00 Pacific.

Protecting your children online. Coming up at 7:30 Eastern, I'm going to tell you how you can do it from work.

And up next, the honeymooners live again in Atlanta. You're watching CNN, the most trusted name in news.

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LIN: It may look like a normal drive, but this shot proves anything but typical. That story straight ahead.

But first, two of Atlanta's newest residents arrive at their new home last night after flying in from Taiwan. Their hosts are planning a deep blue love connection. Drew Griffin has details.

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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): The newest arrival are Alice and Trixie, two huge whale sharks, flown on a specially equipped 747 for the 8,000-mile journey from Taiwan to Atlanta. They joined Ralph and Norton the two male whale sharks that have been swimming in this huge aquarium for a year. The idea says the director Ray Davis; eventually turn these sharks into real honeymooners.

RAY DAVIS, GEORGIA AQUARIUM: We have a great opportunity with two males and two females in the long term to look how this reproductive biology comes about.

GRIFFIN: But any mating says Davis will have to wait until the large fish become larger. The females are just 13 feet long now they will need to be 20 feet more to be mature enough to reproduce. Meantime their job is to swim and eat in the largest whale shark aquarium in the world.

This tank is roughly the size of a football and it's why they can put four of these huge whale sharks inside of it. You can see one swimming right over there, just a top fin coming out. The next largest aquarium of this size is in Okinawa Japan and you can take that exhibit and place it inside of this, so these four sharks will be able to swim all through here enjoying this exhibit. DAVIS: They've been swimming through the night so far very comfortably.

GRIFFIN: The real test of how they will do will come in the next few days when these new arrivals start to eat like their male counterparts, more than 30 pounds of fish and a jelly goo each day. They will grow as much as three feet each year.

Drew Griffin, CNN at the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta.

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LIN: Not that this means much to the whale sharks, but "The Break-Up" leads the way at the box office this weekend. Moviegoers shelled out $38 million to see the Jennifer Aniston flick. Now the "X-Men" finale fell to second place. "Over the Hedge" was third.

Next weekend, Paul Newman's first film in four years comes out. It's the Pixar animation "Cars," and it's one of the reasons he agreed to a rare sit-down interview with CNN. I met him at the Loews Motor Speedway in Charlotte, North Carolina.

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PAUL NEWMAN, ACTOR: I've done my best work I guess in the last 10 years. I wish I had known as much as I know now. I wouldn't have worked as hard.

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LIN: You can see more of my interview with the screen legend Paul Newman tonight at 11:00 Eastern.

Now keep your eye on the ball. That's Fuzzy Zoeller's tee shot at a senior event in Des Moines, Iowa. Defying all reason, after 10 seconds the ball begins to roll, can you see it? There it is, in the lower right-hand part of your screen. There it goes. For a most unusual hole-in-one, you might say.

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