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Horrific Day of Violence in Iraq; Candelight Vigil in Hong Kong for Tiananmen Square Anniversary; New Technology to Protect Children from Internet Dangers

Aired June 4, 2006 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Straight ahead on CNN LIVE SUNDAY, getting touch on border security or not tough enough?
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello U.S. Customs, I'm at the Jim's Corner. My name is Gary Tuchman, I think you'll find I have a clean record.

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LIN: Yes, that's how easy it is to get into the United States. No fences, no official checkpoints, just the honor system.

And then, tracking your child's every move online while you're at work. New technology and new tactics, but is it just an excuse for bad parenting?

And then a whale of a love story, about Alice, Trixie and their 8,000-mile journey.

It's June 4th and you're watching CNN LIVE SUNDAY. I'm Carol Lin and these are the stories making news right now.

One of our big stories, these high-profile targets in Toronto. Authorities say 17 alleged terrorists were going to attack them in Canada. All have bail hearings this week.

And deadly sectarian violence in Iraq today. Students and workers were dragged off a minibus north of Baghdad. They were asked their religion and then only Shiites were killed. They were told they were being shot in the name of Islam.

A Canadian convoy was the target of a suicide car bombing in Kandahar. Four civilians were killed there and at least a dozen others were injured.

And Iran's supreme leader issues a warning to the U.S. today. Ayatollah Ali Khomeini says oil shipments from the gulf region would be disrupted by U.S. "misbehavior." The U.S. wants Iran to limit its nuclear program.

And a man tried to jump the White House fence today. Secret service agents say he was carrying a suspicious package. They grabbed him before he got onto the south lawn. This is a big story we have been covering all weekend long. 17 terror suspects are due back in a Canadian court this week and all are accused of planning attacks on high profile targets in Toronto. Now the arrests raise concerns over how solid the Canadian/U.S. border really is. Gary Tuchman takes on that part of the story. But first we begin with Kyung Lah and the very latest on the Canadian terror arrests.

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KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Family members in disbelief as they arrived at the courthouse Saturday, saying their sons are not terrorists.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm shocked. It's crazy. It's just crazy. It has no meaning whatsoever.

LAH: An attorney for two of the suspects called the charges vague.

ROCCO GALATI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: His family's well-established long standing residents and citizens of Canada for the past 50 years.

LAH: But Canadian authorities paint a very different picture, saying the 17 suspects acquired three times the ammonium nitrate used to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City and had equipment like this cell phone, connected to a detonator. The targets? Toronto's high profile buildings according to a senior Canadian official. Apparently no U.S. targets but the arrests raised concern across the border.

SEN. CARL LEVIN, (D) SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE: We got a longer border with Canada than we do with Mexico. We have thousands of trucks that come in every day, many of them, most of them not inspected.

MICHAEL WILSON, CANADIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE U.S.: People should be concerned, but they should take comfort that their northern neighbor is on top of things, and working very hard to stay on top of things.

LAH: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice applauded the Canadian effort.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: We've improved border security immensely through technology and also through cooperation, so we are very comfortable with the counterterrorism cooperation with Canada and the border security cooperation.

LAH: But a U.S. counterterrorism source says investigators believe the suspects had contacts beyond Canada's borders. The source confirms to CNN a story first reported in the "L.A. Times" that some of the Canadian terrorism suspects communicated with British suspects arrested last fall. The source also confirms two of the Canadian suspects exchanged e-mails with two Americans arrested on terrorism charges this spring from Atlanta, Georgia. In Toronto, the chief of police appeared with Muslim leaders in a show of support. He condemned overnight vandalism on a Toronto mosque and urged calm in the nervous Muslim Canadian community.

CHIEF BILL BLAIR, TORONTO, ONTARIO POLICE: Justice will be done and in the interim, I hope that we can all work together to maintain the respect and trust and peace of our communities.

LAH: The chief of police promises the vandalism case will be fully investigated. As far as the suspects themselves, they are due in court on Tuesday. Kyung Lah, CNN, Washington.

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LIN: And now to Gary Tuchman along the U.S./Canadian border.

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TUCHMAN: Its late afternoon. Rush hour in many places. But not here. On this desolate roadway in the Canadian province of Manitoba where a monument separates Manitoba on the left from Minnesota on the right, a sign warns that you are about to arrive to the official U.S. border checkpoint. And then there it is. The Jim's Corner immigration customs reporting station, which looks like a shack and operates on the honor system. Two sheriffs on the American side are not happy about it. What percentage of people in general do you believe check in there?

SHERIFF DALLAS BLOCK, LAKE OF THE WOODS CO., MINNESOTA: I believe it's less than 30 percent. Maybe even far less than that.

TUCHMAN: When we entered Lake of the Woods County, Minnesota from Canada, we went through the rather unorthodox process. Push to call, push the American flag. Inside the shack a video phone connected to a border agent 50 miles away. Hello U.S. customs. I'm at the Jim's Corner. My name is Gary Tuchman. I think you'll find I have a clean record. The agent looks at you through the camera. And you look at the agent. What is your name?

Officer Johnson.

TUCHMAN: Hello, Officer Johnson. Officer Johnson would have no way of knowing if people are just driving by the shack without stopping, which indeed often happens because many honorable people can't be bothered with the video phone that often doesn't work. I'm going to hold you up my passport first. Can you see it?

OK.

TUCHMAN: That's me. We were approved to enter the U.S. in a most unusual tourist town called Angle Inlet. It's actually an enclave not physically connected to the rest of the U.S. You have to drive 40 miles within Canada to the northern side of the Lake of the Woods to get there. There are far more deer than people who live here. The town is the state's only remaining one-room public schoolhouse. But amid the charm of this tranquil town, the sheriff of Lake of the Woods County says drug dealers drive past Jim's Corner. And then take boats in the summer or snowmobiles in the winter into the heart of the U.S. And he says there's even more. It is your professional opinion that terrorists have gone through Angle Inlet into the mainland United States?

BLOCK: Yes, it is.

TUCHMAN: And that's through intelligence?

BLOCK: Yes, we have pretty accurate, pretty reliable intelligence that that has happened. I don't think Osama Bin Laden's going to check in there, but so you're really on your honor system.

TUCHMAN: It's 6:00 p.m. on a chilly day. So most of the boaters have gone back to shore for the evening. This lake is very empty. But even in the summer in the middle of the day, it is very uncrowded on this lake. Which makes it easy for people who might be up to no good to go relatively unnoticed. Some of the year-round residents are concerned all this talk could scare away tourists. Jerry Starwalk (ph) owns a restaurant.

JERRY STARWALK: I personally don't think this is the biggest threat as some of the other people.

TUCHMAN: But the sheriff says in this post 9/11 world one cannot be too careful. Although he does admit to a transgression. Do you stop at the border station?

BLOCK: I do. Sometimes.

TUCHMAN: U.S. customs and border protection tells CNN its officers who periodically visit this border area will start making more frequent visits, and better technology will be added including cameras providing surveillance over the area, not just inside the shack. We did encounter one man from Manitoba who did stop at the video phone. Any luck?

No luck.

TUCHMAN: But it didn't work. So he called on a pay phone.

Yes, John (INAUDIBLE) I'm coming in on Jim's Corner.

TUCHMAN: To report his arrival into the United States of America. Gary Tuchman, CNN, Angle Inlet, Minnesota.

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LIN: CNN is committed to providing the most reliable coverage of the news that affects your security. So stay tuned to CNN for the latest information day and night.

Now here is an image you see too often in Iraq. Two men consoling each other after a horrific day of violence. At least 40 people were killed in another round of attacks today. The most shocking, a sectarian mass murder in the town of Baqubah. CNN's John Vause reports.

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is the aftermath of an execution, according to Iraqi police, mostly students, on their way to class, shot dead it seems, because of their religious sect. It all happened not far from Baqubah, north of Baghdad, an area under the control of the Iraqi army. Gunmen reportedly ordered everyone out of their vehicles, separated the Shiites from the Sunnis, the Shiites were shot dead, the Sunnis allowed to go free.

Around the same time in Baghdad's Sadr City, four workers from a telecommunications company, killed in what appears to be a drive-by shooting. And to the south in Basra, a firefight at a Sunni mosque. Iraqi police say suspected insurgents were inside. As they moved in, nine people were killed, another six arrested. They claimed to have found two cars packed full of explosives. But Sunni leaders say police shot dead seven guards. Nine others were arrested and later killed.

In a country desperate for security, the parliament still can't decide who will be in charge of the army and who will run the police. These are two crucial ministries defense and the interior. The Iraqi prime minister has been struggling for weeks to find a candidate suitable to both Shiites and Sunnis, and there's still no word on when a compromise may be found. John Vause, CNN, Baghdad.

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LIN: More political fallout now from the investigation into that marine shoot-out in Haditha last November. Ed Henry is at the White House.

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ED HENRY, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Democrat Joe Biden, a likely presidential candidate, declared the blame for Haditha goes all the way up the chain of command to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

SEN. JOE BIDEN (D-DE) FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE: He should be gone. He shouldn't be in his office tomorrow morning. When you make serious mistakes, you step forward and you acknowledge them and you walk away.

HENRY: Retired Major General John Batiste also charged that even though the investigation is not complete --

MAJ. GEN. JOHN BATISTE, U.S. ARMY (RETIRED): I however see a direct link between Haditha, the national embarrassment of Abu Ghraib, going on four years now of uncontrollable chaos in Iraq with the bad judgment, poor decisions of our secretary of defense back in late 2003 and 2004.

HENRY: Biden and Batiste have previously called for Rumsfeld to resign and the defense secretary shows no signs of stepping down. A pentagon spokesman could not be reached for comment but another retired general said there should not be a rush to judgment.

MAJ. GEN. DON SHEPPERD, U.S. AIR FORCE (RET.): In my opinion it's absolutely wrong in the face of Haditha, before you know what's gone on to call for the resignation of anybody and also then put in this perspective. Do you fire the police chief every time one of his officers does something wrong? No.

HENRY: But there's growing pressure on the Bush administration over the November incident, in which the marines initially reported 15 Iraqi civilians died in a roadside bomb. A later report suggested the victims may have been caught in a firefight. Military investigators now strongly suspect a small number of marines went on a rampage.

SEN. CARL LEVIN, (D) ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE: This looks like from all appearances a real massacre. There's a, finally an investigation that is taking place, but there's also the real possibility of a cover-up here.

HENRY: Top Bush officials are vowing to get to the bottom of the allegations.

RICE: We are going to be certain that there is a thorough investigation of any of these incidents. We're going to protect the rights of the accused, so that there is due process, and then there will be action taken, given the outcome.

HENRY: Secretary Rice added that most American soldiers are serving with honor and dignity, a fact she said must not be forgotten during these investigations. Ed Henry, CNN, the White House.

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LIN: Do you remember this image? We never found out who that man was. But looking back on Tiananmen Square, we're going to find out what China thinks of it today. That is straight ahead.

And then the changing face of the Afghan police. And monitoring your kids online, from work. We're going to tell you how.

Plus, as they get big as a Greyhound Bus, hopefully their love does, too. Seriously, a fish story, coming up. You're watching CNN, the most trusted name in news.

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LIN: It is infamous worldwide, but you still can't talk about it in China. 17 years ago today Tiananmen Square exploded in gunfire when government troops shot down pro democracy demonstrators. China still insists it was suppressing counterrevolutionary riots. Chinese television and newspapers don't even mention the anniversary. But in the Chinese territory of Hong Kong tonight, thousands gathered for a candlelight vigil in Victoria Park. The sea of lights cover the area of four soccer fields. But if you want to know the truth, here is what happened. Seventeen years ago CNN's Tom Mintier was in Beijing and photographer Cynde Strand was in Tiananmen Square as Chinese troops moved in. Listen to this.

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TOM MINTIER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: CNN camera person Cynde Strand has just returned to us a few moments ago. She has been in the square all night long. When the troops moved in, she was there. Cynde, what happened when the troops rolled in?

CYNDE STRAND, PHOTOGRAPHER: Well, it was quite eerie. About 4:00 they turned the lights out in the square and this just followed the announcement by the students that they were willing to negotiate to leave peacefully. The lights went out and they began singing and chanting the international (INAUDIBLE) and citizens started coming into the square and singing the song with them. And at this point, soldiers started coming out of the great hall of the people and surrounding the entire square. And riot police also came from the back of the square and aided in surrounding the square.

And then about 5:00 in the morning, there was a huge rumble as the armored personnel carriers surrounded the monument. And we could see soldiers walking up to the monument. Later, we talked to some students who had fled from the monument and they said the soldiers were firing into the air and clubbing them with metal rods and forcing them to flee and they were fleeing and trampling each other. These students were beaten and bleeding.

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LIN: An untold number of pro democracy students were killed in the crackdown. Nearly two decades later, the images are still haunting. And this is perhaps the image that stuck in the world's collective memory. That lone student facing a tank. Behind the scenes there was another struggle. CNN wrestled with the Chinese government to keep broadcasting as Bernie Shaw anchored from Beijing. Here's how it played out.

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BERNARD SHAW, CNN ANCHOR: This is Bernard Shaw in Beijing. The situation is very fluid here. The government has told us that in less than 34 minutes they will pull the plug on all satellite transmissions from Beijing.

ALEC MIRAN, CNN PRODUCER: What the government is telling me is that we were given permission for one week lease to bring our earth station in here. You're not saying that. You're saying we are only allowed to come in to cover the Gorbachev visit. How about all the other stories we did about China that didn't concern Mr. Gorbachev. That has nothing to do with you? Then why does this have anything to do with you.

These characters being written on this legal pad in effect are saying that this government is telling CNN to end its transmission.

The government has ordered us to shut down our facility. We'll have to shut it down.

OK. The government -- our policy is the government has ordered us to shut down our facility. We are shutting down our facility.

SHAW: In my 26 years in this business, I've never seen anything like this. The situation in Tiananmen Square is that it is a standoff. For all of the hard working men and women of CNN, good-bye from Beijing.

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LIN: Our editors tell us China's censors still monitor what CNN broadcasts internationally to Beijing. References to the events at Tiananmen Square are blocked out. Now there's scant mention of it even in Chinese history books. And now if you Google Tiananmen in China, you won't find any search results. Internet providers have to obey Chinese law. Historians say some Chinese young people have never even heard about the massacre.

Different views of Afghanistan when we come back. The nation's new police officers ready to face the Taliban.

And could this boy and his friends revolutionize Afghanistan? We're going to be right back.

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LIN: I'm Carol Lin. Tonight at 11:00 eastern, a rare interview with the great Paul Newman.

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PAUL NEWMAN: I've done my best work, I guess, in the last 10 years.

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LIN: A look back at the life and legend of the actor who may have another new hit on his hands this summer.

And would you have the guts to be a whistleblower? Tonight I'll talk to the woman who blasted the FBI right after 9/11.

But now there's a new Supreme Court ruling that may not protect her and others from speaking out. That's tonight at 11:00 Eastern.

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LIN: In Afghanistan today, a suicide car bombing in the southern city of Kandahar. An Afghan security commander says four civilians were killed. Another 13 were injured. Reports from the scene say the attacker apparently targeted a motorcade carrying the governor of Kandahar Province, but missed him. Now CNN's Barbara Starr has been in Afghanistan for nearly two weeks. Here are two of her stories, one about a fledgling journalist, and another about the changing face of the Afghan police force.

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BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The commander inspects a line of new police officers and reports to the minister they are ready. Ready to face the threat from an increasingly strong Taliban. Local tribal leaders watch this ceremony closely. Here in southern Afghanistan's Kandahar Province, the Taliban are on the rise and Afghan police are the major security force in rural towns and villages. Some of these officers have only been on the job a few weeks. 32-year-old Shakan says he joined the force to serve his country. He says security in the Kandahar area is very bad. The Taliban are everywhere.

Four and a half years after the Taliban were overthrown, the police force is now emerging with a new face. Young women are training, too. Massimo is 18. She says her parents are just fine with her being a police officer. But as eager as these young officers are, they have a hard road ahead. A complete overhaul of the police force is under way. Meant to root out corrupt senior officers. Major General Robert Durbin runs the U.S. training effort.

MAJ. GEN. ROBERT DURBIN, U.S. ARMY: So by putting in new leaders who can be trusted, new leaders who are vetted both by the Afghans and the international community, will have a solid base upon which to address the corruption problems that permeate the entire force right now.

STARR: There are supposed to be 60,000 police in this country, but currently just over half are trained and equipped. These are some of the weapons they are being issued. The test for the police will come in small villages where there is no real security and in the capital of Kabul. A teeming city of 4 million torn apart by recent rioting. Police were able to restore order, but only after some had their weapons taken by rioters. For the minister and dignitaries in Kandahar, the new recruits practice crowd control. These young Afghans will spread out to police stations throughout southern Afghanistan, confronting the Taliban and other insurgents. Bringing security and stability to areas where terror tactics are creeping back. Barbara Starr, CNN, Kandahar, Afghanistan.

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STARR: 50,000 to 60,000 of Kabul's children work the street, doing menial labor, sometimes begging, often abused. Ashiana School is a refuge. There's music and vocational classes. Girls learn sewing and how to put on makeup and do hair. Perhaps future beauticians. It is here we met an extraordinary boy. 14-year-old Khalid used to earn $10 a month for his family washing cars on Kabul's streets. Now he may be Afghanistan's youngest newspaper editor.

KHALID, EDITOR, "VOICE OF CHILDREN": I'm a editor of this newspaper and this is our newspaper by name of "Voice of Children."

STARR: Khalid and his friends devote the "Voice of Children" newspaper to stories specifically about children's problems. Khalid the reporter talks of one interview he did with another boy on the street.

KHALID: He was crying that we have many difficulties. I told him that whatever you say, whatever you say, I will print it in my newspaper.

STARR: The newspaper is running out of money. Khalid doesn't know whether they can afford to print the next edition, but he knows his small voice combined with the voice of the other children of Afghanistan is a voice he hopes will be heard. What do you want your newspaper to tell the world about children in Afghanistan? What do you want people to know?

KHALID: I want to make the people aware from children's rights and from -- they should understand children and they don't beat them, they respect them. And this is what I want.

STARR: Barbara Starr, CNN, Kabul, Afghanistan.

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LIN: Children can be vulnerable and sometimes naive. We have two stories ahead that touch both traits. But first, your children online. How to monitor what they're doing, from your office. And you may think AIDS in children has been neutralized. But our guest fears it's on the march. You're watching CNN LIVE SUNDAY.

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LIN: Here's a quick check of what's happening right "Now in the News." Twenty Iraqis killed north of Baghdad. Gunmen dragged passengers out of two minibuses and a car and killed 20 people. Seven of those victims were teenagers and five were elderly, mostly Shiites.

Four civilians were killed by a suicide bomber in southern Afghanistan today. Reports from the scene suggest the target was the regional governor who was traveling with a Canadian military convoy. The attack didn't stop that convoy.

Now, tough talk from Iran. The country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei says if the U.S. makes a wrong move against Iran, Iran will disrupt the flow of oil outside of the Middle East. Well, U.S. officials don't seem worried.

Seventeen suspected terrorists in Toronto are expected to make court appearances this week. Police say the group was inspired by al Qaeda and planned to target Canadian institutions.

And now a fascinating story we first spotted in "The Wall Street Journal" this week. A Houston woman discovered her 13-year-old daughter was chatting online with what appeared to be an Internet predator. But get this, she found out from her workplace using new technology that enables parents to keep an eye on their kid's computer habits while they are away from home. Is this the best way to protect your children from Internet predators? Well, weighing in from New York, psychologist Judy Kuriansky.

Dr. Judy, good to have you.

JUDY KURIANSKY, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nice to be with you, Carol. That's a shocking story.

LIN: It is. It is. So technology where it's coming today. The last time you and I were talking, we were talking about Internet predators and child porn on the Internet. You actually suggested that parents take kids as young as 6 or 7 years old and navigate these sites with them to show them what's right and what's wrong, right?

KURIANSKY: Exactly. I do believe in doing that. And not just with Internet sites but with all media, including everything they listen to on their iPod. You sit down with them and you have a pile of things and with the computer and you just really make a distinction. You say, now, let's rate these. Which are healthy, which are unhealthy? Which of these are respectful? And which of these are disrespectful? Which of these are responsible and which are irresponsible? And therefore, you give your child some way to make these distinctions. And you are participating.

LIN: Yes, but, when we talk about technology intervening, I mean, maybe parents would find this useful, but at that point, this girl is 13 years old. Perhaps that conversation didn't happen with the mother. And now the mother is relying on technology to do the policing for her. What's your opinion on this?

KURIANSKY: Yes. Well, I think once there's been a problem, then you have to do some monitoring, but you still even have to talk to your child about what is right and what is wrong. And at that point, you really do have to do that. But snooping beforehand, I'm not in favor of that. All you do is make your kids very defensive, really angry with you. Then they find ways of going around you.

What parents need to do is find out the lingo and all these sites and stuff. I find that they don't even know what the kids are going on. Open your computer and go on them yourself. Try MySpace. Kids are using that like crazy.

LIN: And that's not a violation of their privacy if you go into their room -- well, if the computer is in their room?

KURIANSKY: Well, no, because -- well, on your own computer, you go on MySpace because anybody can access them. That's the thing. Parents don't know these things. I went on MySpace the other day and saw this kid had posted a picture with things undulating in his underwear. It was really kind of shocking.

LIN: Yes. Not to mention what the girls are doing on that site too. I mean, you do wonder where the parents are. So do you think...

KURIANSKY: Exactly. LIN: ... that in many cases technology is now replacing responsible early parenting?

KURIANSKY: Well, there's no question. Because they used to sit kids in front of the TV or in front of their video games. And now they're in front of their computers for at least, the statistics show, six hours a day. So that's why you need to spend some time with them instead of pseudo-parenting and what people do. Carting them back and forth to soccer games is not enough, you have to sit down and really chat with them.

But you need to understand there are things like P2P and F2F and darknet and all these words -- buzz words that you as parents need to know, because these are private spaces. There are ways that kids do private e-mailing. And you need to know them before you turn it over to some cybercop and before you're sitting in your office trying to monitor them.

LIN: Yes. Good advice. Dr. Judy, thank you so much.

Now in other news "Across America," room service with a twist. An inmate who slipped out of the jail in Washington, D.C. is now behind bars again. Police arrested Joseph Leaks at a hotel outside the city this morning. Now another inmate who escaped with Leaks is still on the run.

And funerals are set for Wednesday for six of the seven Indianapolis family members killed Thursday in a home invasion. Twenty-eight-year-old Desmond Turner has been charged with seven murder counts. The ex-convict surrendered last night, ending an intense manhunt.

And family and friends gathered in Grand Rapids, Michigan, this afternoon to remember Laura VanRyn. In a case of mistaken identity, the 22-year-old was thought to have survived an April crash in Indiana. But actually she died and was buried under a classmate's name.

An ominous warning, 5 million to 10 million children could die from AIDS. That's what could happen, says our guest.

And Condoleezza Rice says she doesn't want to set a timeline for Iran. But what does she want? That's coming up.

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LIN: In case you missed it, let's check some highlights from the Sunday morning talk shows. First up, CNN's "LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER": Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice talked about a, well, set of new incentives for Iran to stop its uranium enrichment program. She said diplomacy needs time to work.

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CONDOLEEZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: I don't believe in setting timelines and deadlines. The only point here is that this can't be endless. The Iranian program is progressing, and the international community needs to know if there is a negotiating option that really has life in it. It's why it's important for Iran to receive this proposal, to receive it without having to read it in the newspaper. That makes perfectly good sense.

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LIN: On "FOX News Sunday," a leading Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Lindsey Graham, discussed the impact of alleged U.S. military misconduct in Iraq.

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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC), ARMED SERVICES CMTE.: America loses the moral high ground when our troops violate rule of law principles, when our troops act inappropriately. The way we regain the moral high ground is to make sure those involved in Abu Ghraib and in this incident, if true, are punished to show the world that we're different.

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LIN: On NBC's "Meet the Press," the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joe Biden, blames Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for the widely reported allegations of troop misconduct in Iraq.

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SEN. JOE BIDEN (D-DE), RANKING MEMBER, FOREIGN RELATIONS CMTE.: He should be gone. He shouldn't be in his office tomorrow morning. But I'm so tired of saying this on your show. I've been saying this for two years.

TIM RUSSERT, HOST, "MEET THE PRESS": Well, the president knew about it in March.

BIDEN: Well, we can't get rid of the president. He's there for two-and-a-half more years. There is a system of accountability. The system of accountability is, it used to be a gentlemanly thing, as they say, when you make serious mistakes, you step forward and you acknowledge them and you walk away. Presidents can't and shouldn't do that. Secretaries of defense can and should.

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LIN: And on ABC's "This Week," former Vice President Al Gore talked about the Bush administration's position on global warming.

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AL GORE, FMR. U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: I don't exclude the possibility that both President Bush and Vice President Cheney will be forced to change their minds about global warming during these next two years. Reality has a way of intruding on illusion. And they've tried to create their own reality, where global warming is concerned, and on a few other things as well. And over time, that tends to collide with the real world.

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LIN: Remember, every Sunday at 7:00 Eastern, CNN is going to bring you the best headlines from the Sunday talk show circuit.

The AIDS epidemic 25 years on. Research has produced new drug therapies that are letting people live longer and more productive lives. But world leaders say there is still so much more work to be done. While addressing a U.N. conference, they warn that the world is falling short on its promise to stop the spread of the disease.

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KOFI ANNAN, U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL: In 25 short years, HIV/AIDS has gone from local obscurity to global emergency.

LAURA BUSH, U.S. FIRST LADY: All people need to know how AIDS is transmitted, and every country has an obligation to educate its citizens. This is why every country must also improve literacy, especially for women and girls, so that they can make wise choices that will keep them healthy and safe.

ANNAN: If we don't step up the fight drastically, we will not reach the Millennium Development Goal of halting and beginning to reverse this spread of HIV/AIDS by 2015.

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LIN: Well, when the world thinks of AIDS it probably thinks mostly adults getting the disease. But in fact, millions of children are among the victims. So joining me now from New York is Dr. James Oleske. He's a member of the Children Affected by AIDS Foundation and a professor at New Jersey's University of Medicine and Dentistry. He diagnosed the first case of AIDS in a child.

Dr. Oleske, that must have been a heart-wrenching experience. And the United Nations came out with a report just this past week saying that 2 million children around the world are living with HIV. Are you expecting in this day and age that those children are likely to still die?

DR. JAMES OLESKE, AIDS SPECIALIST: Unfortunately, unless we really do make an effort to help internationally what's going on in pediatrics AIDS, yes, they will. And I also point out that the domestic agenda of pediatric AIDS isn't over yet. While we've made major inroads in preventing the disease and treating successfully children who are infected, there is no lifetime cure. And unfortunately, because of the lack of care for women who are pregnant and no prenatal care even in this country, we're seeing new cases in children.

And that's tragic, because we can reduce the transmission of from a mother to child to less than 1 percent. But we don't have the resources to actually do that -- what we can potentially do.

LIN: So what do you think needs to be done? What should be mandatory?

OLESKE: Well, I think we need to pay attention to our domestic agenda in the United States and continue to do what we're doing. Right now we're dismantling that as we go overseas. And while overseas is very important, I've been there. It is going to take about $3 trillion to make probably an impact in the developing world. And we're not spending near that. So that, again, I think while maybe well-intentioned, it is not well-placed and we're still not treating the vast majority of children. There's treatments for this disease that can relieve the suffering and the misery besides the death in children. And we're not doing it.

LIN: And why do you think that is?

OLESKE: Well, we're not applying the resources, we're not mobilizing...

LIN: Do you think it's because most of the children you're talking about are overseas?

OLESKE: Well, I think that a lot of them are overseas but there's still a lot in the United States we are not taking care of.

LIN: So it is not a matter of having an American face on it?

OLESKE: No, it's not a matter of having an American face on it. Children in general, we say we love children, we are going to do everything for them, they're our most precious possession. The problem is, maybe many people believe that, but they believe it so strongly they assume it is going to be done. So they don't pass laws, they don't make programs that help children. And so in fact the children are neglected and are not treated and are left out of the picture.

LIN: Well, how do they normally contract AIDS?

OLESKE: Well, most -- the vast majority of children get it because their mothers were infected. What we need to prioritize in the world today is to first let's prevent women from getting infected. And if we can't do that, let's then please -- we know we can prevent a child from being infected. We have the transmission rate from mother to child below 1 percent if we give good care to the mother.

But we don't -- in the United States, for example, we still see AIDS in children because 20 percent in some cities, women, don't get prenatal care. In the developing...

LIN: And children -- this disease manifests itself differently in children. They die much sooner.

OLESKE: Children have a much more rapid fulminating disease, they suffer more, it's a more painful, discouraging disease because it attacks the brain which is what makes us productive people.

LIN: Who we are, yes.

OLESKE: And who we are.

LIN: Dr. Oleske, thank you so much.

Well, would you go into surgery if you didn't have to? Thousands of people do to keep others alive. And it is the give and take of organ donations we are talking about.

CNN's Elizabeth Cohen gives you an inside look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We all take a moment now to extend our hand towards our sister Kathleen.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the depths of winter, a woman prays. In the midst of summer, her prayers are finally answered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lord, we ask you to be with her every day of her life but most especially this Tuesday.

COHEN: Tuesday is the day Kathleen Sampson has been praying for.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Amen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You might feel a warm sensation going up your arm.

COHEN: After months of testing, she's giving her kidney to someone who would die without it, someone she's never met.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Great.

KATHLEEN SAMPSON, ORGAN DONOR: Basically, here's my kidney, do with it, you know, whatever's best to give it to the best person and this is just something that I want to do, and I'm hoping that it will have great results.

COHEN: She's not alone. There are 78,000 living donors and nearly 400 of them are like Kathleen, giving to complete and total strangers.

DR. ROBERT MONTGOMERY, JOHNS HOPKINS: They realize that, hey, I've got two kidneys, and really my body will function perfectly well with one kidney.

COHEN: Dr. Robert Montgomery will be performing her surgery at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore. Kathleen's son Connor (ph) died several years ago when he was five. Connor died at Johns Hopkins hospital. Kathleen is now here to give life where she lost it.

Thousands of people would love to get Kathleen's kidney. Some are so desperate, they beg on Web sites. This huge demand has some people worried. In the rush to help those who need organs, will doctors be too quick to take them from generous people like Kathleen? Our investigation found that surgeons have approved donors who some believe were highly questionable, children as young as 10, drug addicts, even people who were mentally ill.

PROF. ART CAPLAN, UNIV. OF PENN. SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: I've seen anorexics give organs, I've people who are clearly depressed give organs, I've seen people come who have been accepted at programs who are morbidly obese, I've seen people come to programs who have had a long history of drug and alcohol abuse.

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LIN: You can see more of Elizabeth Cohen's report coming up on "CNN PRESENTS: Body Parts" tonight at 8:00 Eastern.

Straight ahead, turning sharks into "Honeymooners." Ralph and Norton and Alice and Trixie. You're watching CNN, the most trusted name in news.

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LIN: A 4-day-old baby in Lubbock, Texas, has been kidnapped. This is what we know about the story right now. Apparently the mother gave birth four days ago. There was a woman who came to visit her in the hospital. She was dressed in scrubs, looked like and behaved like a nurse. Well, after the mother went home with the baby, the same woman came to visit her at her house and when the mother was distracted this woman left with the baby. Now, according to eyewitnesses there was a white van and a red Pontiac Grand Am four- door, leaving that area shortly after that. So the hunt is on for a baby kidnapper. I'll have more on this throughout the night.

In the meantime, we have promised you a story that was quite exciting last night. We saw as these two new Atlanta residents came into town. They're getting along swimmingly. They arrived in their new home after flying in from Taiwan.

Drew Griffin has an introduction.

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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The newest arrivals are Alice and Trixie, two huge whale sharks, flown on a specially equipped 747 for the 8,000-mile journey from Taiwan to Atlanta. They joined Ralph and Norton, the two male whale sharks that have been swimming in this huge aquarium for about a year now.

The idea, says zoological director Ray Davis; eventually turn these sharks named for the 1950s TV show into real "Honeymooners."

RAY DAVIS, GEORGIA AQUARIUM: We have a real great opportunity here with two males, two females in the long term to be able to look at how this reproductive biology actually comes about.

GRIFFIN: But any mating, says Davis, will have to wait until these already large fish become even larger. The females are just 13 and 15 feet long right now, they will need to be 20 feet or more before they are mature enough to reproduce. In the meantime their job is to swim and eat in the largest whale shark aquarium in the world.

(on camera): So this is the actual top of the tank. It is roughly the size of a football field, and it's why they can put four of these huge whale sharks inside of it. You can see one swimming right over there, just the top fin coming out. The next largest aquarium of this size is actually in Okinawa, Japan, and you can take that exhibit and place it inside of this. So these four whale sharks will be able to swim all through here, enjoying this huge exhibit.

DAVIS: They've been swimming through the night so far very comfortably.

GRIFFIN (voice-over): The real test of how they will do will come in the next few days when these new arrivals start to eat like their male counterparts, more than 30 pounds of fish krill and a fishy, Jello-y goo each day, which helps them grow as much as three feet a year.

Drew Griffin, CNN, at the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta.

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LIN: Up next, live organ donations. "CNN PRESENTS" takes you into the unregulated world of transplant surgery.

And then at 9:00 Eastern, Larry King and Elizabeth Taylor. The film legend has some harsh words for the tabloids.

And at 10:00, a special edition of "LARRY KING LIVE." We invite you to hear CNN's Anderson Cooper talk about his family and the loss of his father and his brother.

I'll be back at 11:00 with the very latest news. The hour's headlines, though, when I come back.

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