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Hilary Swank Discusses Her Divorce; Celebrity Photos Stolen and Published; Dave Chappelle Resurfaces; Star Jones Controversy; "Pirates of the Caribbean" Sequel
Aired July 05, 2006 - 19:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST: Two major stars open up for the first time about whether or not they have eating disorders. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
BROOKE ANDERSON, CO HOST: And how the cops tracked down Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt`s stolen baby pictures. I`m Brooke Anderson if Hollywood, TV`s most provocative entertainment news show starts right now.
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HAMMER (voice-over): On SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, a divorce shocker. Hilary Swank`s startling revelation about why she split up with Chad Lowe. What Chad was doing that made the Oscar winning actress leave him. Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with the untold story of "Secrets from a Marriage."
"Star Signals," only SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has a fascinating story about Star Jones Reynolds may have been tipping off viewers that she was getting fired from "The View."
STAR JONES REYNOLDS, FORMER "THE VIEW" CO-HOST: Women, (INAUDIBLE) can sometimes be sneaky.
HAMMER: Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT uncovers the clues you haven`t heard before.
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ANDERSON: Hi there. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
HAMMER: I`m A.J. Hammer in New York City. And we are looking a little different tonight, while the set you`re used to seeing gets a makeover. And we begin with a shocker that had all of us hear with our jaws dropping today when we found fond out why Hilary Swank`s once upon a time storybook marriage just fell apart.
ANDERSON: That`s right A.J., Swank, a two-time Oscar winner is revealing for the very first time why she is getting divorced from Chad Lowe, and if substance abuse played a role.
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(voice-over): Together for 13 years, married for eight. Hilary Swank and Chad Lowe appeared to be each other`s best friend and cheerleader, especially as Swank rose from Hollywood bit player to two-time Oscar winner. They were the Hollywood couple we all thought would last, until.
SIBILA VARGAS, CNN NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hilary Swank and Chad Lowe haven`t been able to work out their differences. "People" magazine reports the couple has decided to divorce.
ANDERSON: And now for the first time since she filed for divorce this past March, Swank is talking like she`s never talked before about the substance abuse problem that haunted their marriage and the role it played in their heartbreaking divorce.
LESLIE BENNETTS, "VANITY FAIR": Hilary told me that lately she felt as if she was on a real emotional roller coaster ride.
ANDERSON: Leslie Bennetts interviewed Hilary Swank for this bombshell article in "Vanity Fair" magazine, where Swank makes the shocking revelation that Chad Lowe secretly suffered from a substance abuse problem during their marriage. Swanke says, "Whould I say that his substance abuse problem caused our divorce? No. Would I say that his substance abuse problem helped us? Absolutely not."
BENNETTS: I think for Hilary the larger issue was the feeling of emotional betrayal, that Chad was going through something that was so difficult and painful and really wasn`t sharing it with her and when she realized the extent of his problem, I think she really felt shut out emotionally. I think it was a loss of emotional intimacy and a loss of trust, really, that were the biggest problems for her.
ANDERSON: Still, Hilary tells "Vanity Fair" that she worked very hard to see Chad through his dark period. She says, "I believed in my marriage; I never, ever thought I would get a divorce. That`s why I tried so hard to make it work."
BENNETTS: One of the things she said was that, when she found out that he had this substance abuse problem that it was very important for her to be there for him during this. She said, I realize this is when he needed me most. And she was not about to walk away from the relationship or from him at that time.
ANDERSON: Now, Swank she is Chad has been sober for three years. She adds that one thing that did not lead to the end of their marriage was professional jealousy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No matter how much you love somebody, there are times.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When it`s an intrusion having them around?
ANDERSON: Even though Chad Lowe is an Emmy Award winning actor for his role on the earl 1990 series, "Life Goes On," he`s never reached the kind of fame his wife has, or, for that matter, his brother, Rob Low. But Hilary Swank tells "Vanity Fair" never took it out on her.
BENNETTS: People always speculated about whether he felt jealous and resentful. What she says is that he was frustrated with his own career problems, but that she never felt that he resented her success or that he held her success against her.
ANDERSON: Still, as we see from her confident and fun photo spread in "Vanity Fair," Swank isn`t wall lowing in defeat over the end of her marriage. She says, "In the end, it just didn`t work, but I would never look back on this relationship as failed. I look at it as 13-and-a-half years of success." And Swank told "Vanity Fair" something even more surprising.
BENNETTS: She did at one point tell me that she`s the happeniest she has ever been, which seems odd. It`s not because she is going through a divorce. She`s done a lot of work on herself in therapy and in marriage counseling, and she really feels that she now understands a lot of things that happened in her own life and that she has faced up to some painful issues, and that`s really the source of her happiness, that she`s living in truth.
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ANDERSON: While Swank is still nursing the wounds from the end of her marriage, don`t expect to see her on the Hollywood dating scene right away. She tells "Vanity Fair" right now she is not thinking of dating again.
HAMMER: I can understand that. They were together since they were 18. And joing me now, Dr. Keith Ablow, he`s a psychiatrist and this fall you can catch the premier of his brand new syndicated talkshow, "The Dr. Keith Ablow Show."
I appreciate you being with us.
DR. KEITH ABLOW, "THE DR. KEITH ABLOW SHOW": My pleasure.
HAMMER: Certainly addictions have broken up marriages in the past. Now, she is very clear -- Hilary is very clear saying, that`s not what ended the marriage, but probably was a tipping point. Is it pretty common for a major event like an addiction to sort of provide the tipping point?
ABLOW: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And the addiction itself can be symptomatic as we`ve heard of the emotional estrangement. After all, when somebody has chosen a substance over you, and that`s literally what they`ve done, it hits hard. And for a woman like Hilary, it may refresh her memory about what it felt like to be a child, maybe not perfectly loved then either.
HAMMER: And at this time interesting because apparently, according to her in this article, it camame as a shock, you know, the fact that he was suffering from this addiction. Which is always a little hard to believe because, you know, unless there is some kind of denial, you have to be able to see the signs. But is it also pretty common for people to not really see what`s going on. Or they don`t want to see what`s going on?
ABLOW: Well, people`s -- exactly. You could be my co-therapist. People see what`s going on, but they don`t want to see it, especially if you come from a family in which, as she has said in this article, apparently, she took care of one or more of her parents. That can be so appealing to you that you miss the fact that it`s a problem that this person is ill. It just feels so good to take care of them that you think, oh, it`s like a marriage made in heaven. Well, it`s not. It`s revisiting what you grew up with in your home of origin. It`s hard to get away from that.
HAMMER: On the other side of that, though, is it really possible if a close relationship, which they appeared to have, although they both worked a lot, for one spouse to hide the addiction from the other.
ABLOW: Well, I don`t think it`s possible to be so hidden, right? But I do think that people can have blanders on, so that there`s a collaboration for it not to be seen. There`s a kind of conspiracy of silence. Well, of course, looking back, if I were her psychiatrist, I`d say, but, didn`t you notice X, Y and Z? And she`d say well, yeah, but that was also occurring when I was a kid and I didn`t want to see it then.
HAMMER: And you mentioned the fact the Hillary Swank took care of her parents and she really claims in this particular article that she is the nurturing type. So, and this is something a lot of people may be able to relate to. Is she now at risk when she finally does decide I can get out there and start dating again, is she at risk falling into that same pattern and winding up with somebody that she really needs to take care of sort in the same way she wound up doing with Chad?
ABLOW: It`s a huge risk that the next guy she meets will be Chad with another name. Why? Because these patterns die hard, and it is almost like gravity, that you`re pulled back to what you know. The orbit that you grew up in is the orbit that feels right. You need to take yourself in hand -- that would be my advice to her -- take yourself in hand and say, you know what? It might be that it`s going to be the fourth or fifth or sixth date with a man. When I say this guy could be for me, because the immediate pull you`re going to feel, it`s going to be what you`ve known.
HAMMER: What you know. Sure.
ABLOW: Exactly.
HAMMER: And she says she is trying to really see the truths in her life, so maybe this will be a truth she`ll definitely identify. And one thing I`m curious about, because they say they are planning to be friends, it appears that that may actually work. Is it really possible? And they were together for a long time.
ABLOW: Sure.
HAMMER: And they are going through some pretty tough times right now.
ABLOW: Well, it`s possible. I like her take on this. You know, people are so hard on themselves, after 13-and-a-half years together, you can kind of declare victory, if you want to.
HAMMER: Sure.
ABLOW: You know, the internet age, you go places for five minutes -- 13-and-a-half years together? I have clients who`ve remarried in three times (INAUDIBLE).
HAMMER: Yeah, that`s a good way of looking at it. I think a lot of people will relate to that, too. Dr. Keith Ablow, thank you very much.
ABLOW: Pleasure. Thank you for joining me.
HAMMER: Thank you for joing us. And be sure to check out the doctor`s new syndicated daytime talk show, "The Keith Ablow Show," it`ll premier this fall.
ANDERSON: More startling celebrity news for you now. Ashley Judd was treated for depression. In a revealing interview in August "Glamour" magazine, the 38-year-old actress and daughter of country star, Naomi Judd, said she spent 47 days at a Texas treatment center last February. She ended up there after visiting her sister Wynona. Wynona was being treated for a food addiction, and that`s when counselors noted Ashley`s problem and intervened.
Ashley talks about her, "chaotic and dysfunctional childhood" and her issues of compulsive cleaning, isolation, and codependent relationships. saying, "I need help. I was in so much pain. No one had validated my pain before."
In the "Glamour" article, she also denies tabloid reports of having an eating disorder herself, and says getting help helped her four-year marriage to race car driver Dario Franchitti. It goes on sale July 11.
HAMMER: I would like to remind you that SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is now on seven nights a week. That is correct. We are bringing TV`s most provocative entertainment news show to your weekends. Make sure you tune in. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on Saturday and Sunday now, 11:00 p.m. Eastern, that of course is 8:00 Pacific.
Well, coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, how the cops tracked down on the Brad and Angelina stolen baby pictures. It`s a fascinating story. Plus another star who says her photos were swiped.
ANDERSON: Also ahead, "Star Signals," a fascinating story of how Star Jones Reynolds may have been tipping off viewers that she was getting boot from "The View." We uncover the clues coming up. We also have this:
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m out to challenge them. And the way you challenged them is to be aggressive.
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HAMMER: A homeless man gets his own TV show, but, you know, not everyone is a fan. Coming up, what is he bringing to the air waves? Is it free speech or is it hate speech? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. Slightly different place in New York, you may have noticed. We`re looking a little different tonight, that`s because the set you`re use to do seeing every night is getting a bit of a makeover. And it is time now for a story that made us say, "That`s Ridiculous!"
A minor league baseball team in California is resorting to, I guess, what is some pretty strange tactics trying to attract a crown. Of course, you`re familiar with bobble head dolls. Well, the Lake Ellsinore`s Storm team gave away Tom Cruise bobble head couch dolls combating, of course, the now infamous appearance on Oprah. But there`s more to this story. The team also instituted, I love this, a silent inning. It was a nod, of course, to the scientology practice of silent birth, during one inning was played, no batters (INAUDIBLE). I know Brooke, we`re used to saying, "That`s Ridiculous," about these things, I think that`s fantastic. I just love it.
ANDERSON: Oh, really? I think that`s part of the fun, the music and the announcement of the players. But, this strangeness, A.J., just continues. They also reportedly included a couch-jumping contest in the night`s festivities and a retrospective of Tom Cruise`s career.
HAMMER: So, to all of that, then I will own up to the fact that "That`s Ridiculous."
ANDERSON: "That`s Ridiculous."
HAMMER: Now we have learned the fascinating story behind why pictures of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie apparently taken at their baby shower in Namibia were stolen. Now, as if that was not enough, Britney Spears is now claiming that pictures of her, her husbby, Kevin Federline, and baby Sean Preston, were also stolen and published without permission. Harvey Levin, managing editor of the entertainment news site TMZ.com, is joining me tonight from Glendale, California.
So Harvey, this story`s been rumbling around about the pictures of Brad and Angelina, a -- pictures taken at their baby shower that were stolen. A ew of these pictures started popping up on the internet. Really a fascinating story that basically began with a broken camera, didn`t it?
HARVEY LEVIN, TMZ.COM: It is just believable, A.J. What happened was, Angelina`s brother, James Haven, went to Namibia and took over 400 pictures, some of which were at this baby shower. He comes back to L.A. and he realizes his camera is broken. So he takes it back to Best Buy, where he bought it, and it`s under warranty, so Best Buy takes it. They send it to this authorized repair dealership in Connecticut. These two guys in Connecticut are looking at this camera, these repair guys, and they`re saying, whoa, look who this is! So one of them allegedly downloads the photos, the other one aeldly sends out this e-mail and there`s some question they may have kind of been making an overture about, gee, how much these things worth. And at that point one of the websites published one of the sample photos. Angelina`s and Brad`s lawyers go nuts. They send threatening letters. And now the FBI and the Massachusetts police raided the home of one of these guys, seized his computers with the pictures, and then got the camera. And now there`s an investigation going on and the L.A. County D.A. is going to decide whether to prosecute.
HAMMER: You know, Harvey, I can almost understand why these repair guys, not a bright move, but you can almost see why they would see what they could get for these photos. I`m thinking if you`re Angelina Jolie`s brother, you`re taking that memory stick out before you`re sending the camera or at least doing what you can to climate the pictures, but at least pop the thing out. That was kind of dumb.
LEVIN: Well, no, no. that`s what I -- A.J. that`s what I thought. I was told when I started calling around -- and this is what I was told -- that the Massachusetts cops told me, even if you take the memory card out or the memory stick, still those pictures or the images can live in a digital camera. I don`t understand how that works, but that`s what the cops told me. So, he may have taken it out. But I have to tell you something, I talked to this guy`s mother, one of the repair guy`s mothers. And she said to me, well, he was very excited and he showed me the pictures and I was looking at them, too, and they just seemed really cool.
HAMMER: It sounds like he didn`t really know what he was doing was a really, really bad move, but I`m still very suspect of the technology aspect of it. Let me get to a similar case, real quickly, with Britney Spears. Her label, basically, issued a press release ripping "Us Weekly" magazine because they published some personal photos of her, Kevin Federline, and their baby Sean Preston on vacation. And they`re alleging that these are private photos of these guys. Tell me quickly, if the photos are indeed stolen, is that trouble for "Us Weekly?"
LEVIN: Well, if "Us Weekly" published them in good faith, really believing whoever had these pictures had a right to give them to "Us Weekly," that is a defense. If "Us Weekly" didn`t really believe that, then this could be copyright infringement and Britney Spears could I have a case.
HAMMER: All right, Harvey. Well, we did contact "Us Weekly" for a statement on the Britney Spears photos. They`re saying that any charge that "Us Weekly" stole these photos is preposterous. The magazine acquired the photos strictly through legal means. We`ll have to see where it unfolds from there. Harvey Levin, from TMZ.com. Thanks for joining us as always.
LEVIN: See you, A.J.
ANDERSON: Dave Chappelle shocked everybody when he walked away from his very popular Comedy Central show and a $50 million contract last year. Now what`s left of Chappelle`s show is back, but without the man himself. And people are still wondering, what the heck happened to him?
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DAVE CHAPPELLE, COMEDIAN: (INAUDIBLE) $55 million.
Don`t ya?
ANDERSON (voice-over): But it actually was true, he did receive $50 plus million.
CHAPPELLE: Sound`s lucrative.
ANDERSON: In fact, these are clips from the "Dave Chappelle`s Show" shot before he vanished for South Africa, leaving fans and co-workers feeling down right abandoned.
LOLA OGUNNAIKE, CULTURE REPORTER, "NEW YORK TIMES": Comedy Central adored him. The money up front was amazing. There was not a problem here. And so to the outside world everyone`s still left wondering -- how could Dave Chappelle walk away from such a golden opportunity?
CHAPPELLE: What`s up MTV? Come on in you broke mother (BEEP).
ANDERSON: Then early this year the comic began to resurface.
RAY RICHMOND, "HOLLYWOOD REPORTER": Now, he did an hour with Oprah. He can`t really describe it himself. He keeps talking in circles around why he did it.
OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST: Why`d you walk away from $50 million?
CHAPPELLE: Well, I wasn`t walking away from the money.
WINFREY: Yeah.
CHAPPELLE: I was walking away from the circumstances.
WINFREY: Uh-huh.
CHAPPELLE: That was coming with the new-found plateau.
WHIFREY: Yeah.
OGUNNAIKE: He`s done a number of interviews since leaving the show and people still can`t quite understand why he left.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So where`s Dave at, man?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Africa.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Africa? Africa?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
ANDERSON: Four remaining episodes taped before he took off will premiere Sunday. "Chappelle`s Show: The Lost Episodes," will be hosted by cast members Charlie Murphy and Dornell Rawelings.
OGUNNAIKE: Comedy Central really wanted to make this work. They reached Dave on several occasions. They postponed the show on several occasions. They were really trying to accommodate this guy.
ANDERSON: Chappelle did not respond to CNN`s request about the network airing episodes without his participation, but had this to say to a newspaper in March.
"I feel like it`s kind of a bully move," he said, adding, "that`s just how I feel about it. If people don`t watch it, then I would be more than happy."
As for those left behind.
DORNELL RAWELINGS, CAST MEMBER "CHAPELLE`S SHOW": I`d just like to say, Dave, come back. I need the money. If you don`t, I might just talk like you and do the show anyway.
ANDERSON: The network tells CNN, Chappelle has an open invitation to come back, but he hasn`t called.
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ANDERSON: Chappelle still a popular guy, of course. Now according to Comedy Central, "Chappelle`s Show Season One" is the top-selling TV DVD release ever and "Chappelle`s Show Season Two" is the third best seller of all time.
HAMMER: A major Hollywood star speaks for the first time about whether she had an eating disorder, that`s coming up. We`ll also have this:
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My goal is to me the most hated person in the (INAUDIBLE).
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ANDERSON: A homeless man gets his own TV show, but not everybody`s a fan. Coming up, is what he`s bringing to the air waves free speech or hate speech? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates.
HAMMER: Plus, "Star Signals." The fascinating story of how Star Jones Reynolds may have been tipping off viewers that she was getting booted from "The View." We`re going to uncover the clues coming up. And on the subject of star, we want to hear from you, for our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day," we`re asking, Star Jones Reynolds: Did she end up looking like a victim? Go to cnn.com/showbiztonight and send us your e- mail at showbiztonight@cnn.com.
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HAMMER: Tomorrow, and the nominees are -- the primetime Emmy nominations are out tomorrow and, of course, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT all over them. Will "Lost" find a big year? You`ll find out tomorrow on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT
ANDERSON: It was Superman that sored to new heights at the box office this weekend. Yes, it`s a cliche actually worked here. "Superman Returns" starring Brandon Routh, Kevin Spacey, and Kate Bosworth, pulled in more than $76 over the five-day holiday weekend. That brings its one week total to more than $108 million.
"The Devil Wears Prada" with Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway, a strong second, followed by Adam Sandler`s "Click," the animated "Cars" and Jack Black`s "Nacho Libre" which rounds out the top five.
HAMMER: Well, Johnny Depp says he`s really looking forward to shooting the next "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie. What he told SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is coming up.
ANDERSON: Plus, "Star Signals," the fascinating story of how Star Jones Reynolds may have been tipping off viewers that she was getting booted from "The View." we uncover those clues coming up. We`ll also have this:
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m out to challenge them. And the way you challenged them is to be aggressive.
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HAMMER: A homeless man gets his own TV show. Sounds like a good thing, right? Well, not everybody is a fan. Coming up, is what he`s bringing to the air waves free speech or is it hate speech? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for Wednesday night coming right back.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I am A.J. Hammer in New York.
And a different set, by the way. I`m feeling (ph) very cozy and comfortable just getting used to it. The one you`re used to seeing every night is getting a bit of a makeover.
ANDERSON: That`s right. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood, here in a familiar territory. No set makeover for me just yet. And you`re watching TV`s most provocative entertainment news show.
HAMMER: So Brooke, there`s been a lot of speculation about a major star of young Hollywood - somebody who is wildly popular - and showing up on the red carpet an awful lot lately pretty thin. A lot of people speculating about whether or not this individual has an eating disorder. Well, this individual has set the record straight. We`ll tell you who they are and what they said coming up.
ANDERSON: That`s right, A.J.
Also, a homeless man in Vermont has his own television show, A.J. And it is infuriating some locals who say this guy is racist and that he encourages violence. I - it`s a free-speech debate that we`re going to investigate coming up in just a few minutes.
But first - so as it turns out, Star Jones Reynolds may have been sending subtle signals all along that she was fired or about to be fired from "The View" on "The View." SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has been doing some digging and we`ve uncovered some pretty fascinating stuff. We`ve watched repeats of shows that have been airing over the past few days, and what we`ve found will probably surprise you.
Lloyd Grove of "The New York Daily News" joins me now tonight from New York.
Lode - Lloyd, good to see you.
LLOYD GROVE, "THE NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": Nice to see you, Brooke.
ANDERSON: All right.
So as Barbara said in her on-air statement, Star would not be seen on "The View" except in pre-recorded programs.
Lloyd, on Tuesday, just one week after Star makes this announcement that she`s been leaving the show, shocking everybody with this, a pre- recorded show airs. And the hot topic is having a woman as a boss.
You got to take a listen to what Star had to say regarding Barbara. Listen to this.
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BARBARA WALTERS, "THE VIEW": It`s not just being fired. What about looking for them?
STAR JONES REYNOLDS, "THE VIEW": Women can be sneaky. And I think men are much more straightforward. Women bosses can sometimes be sneaky.
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REYNOLDS.meaning - you can - you know, you get lulled into a sense, and then the men bosses I think are just straightforward.
JOY BEHAR, "THE VIEW": Well, one of the sneakiest people who ever fired me was a man. And he was - he wanted someone else to have my job, and so I didn`t even know until the day they just, like, Pack it up; you`re out. So that was pretty sneaky.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: Oh, Lloyd, you got to love that.
Now do you think it was a coincidence, or was Star sending some sort of secret signal here?
GROVE: Star wars, the prequel.
I don`t think she was sending a signal necessarily. I think she found herself in the position of taping this show, and she was mad. She knew what was going to come down, and she was I think at that point planning her surprise attack on the show. But I think she`s just having a human reaction, and I think she`s being a little shall we say beyotchi (ph) about all this.
ANDERSON: Well, was she directly calling Barbara sneaky?
GROVE: Well, she was indirectly calling Barbara sneaky, I think. She didn`t actually face her frontally say that. But in the light of what`s happened, clearly she`s making that insinuation.
ANDERSON: Seemed like it to me.
OK, Lloyd, also in this same show, they talk about - Barbara talks about having experience herself as being a female boss. And it seems like Star kind of takes a shot at her.
Take a listen.
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BEHAR: Well, you`re not really a hands-on boss, because you`re also one of us. So you wear two hats.
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REYNOLDS: No, she`s the boss. Be clear; she`s the boss now.
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
WALTERS: And not as an (INAUDIBLE)
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ANDERSON: Star (ph) visibly upset her, Lloyd. You can almost sense how bitter she is, and she`s letting it show.
GROVE: Hands-on boss, hands on her throat.
Yes, of course Star is upset. She was just fired from her nine-year gig, and now she`s looking for a job.
ANDERSON: Well - well last week, Lloyd, some PR control was happening. Star Jones Reynolds was everywhere. We saw her on "LARRY KING LIVE"; we also saw her on the "Today" show. She was on radio shows.
Who do you think won the PR war here? Barbara or Star?
GROVE: Well, Barbara has so much capital from a long and distinguished career that if she lost a bit of capital, and I think she did because she had to admit that she`d been lying to the viewers all this time about Star`s future, she has plenty to spare.
Star on the other hand doesn`t have a lot of capital. And she`s pretty depleted her bank account. So she better find something to do to put a deposit in rather quickly, or she`s in deep trouble.
ANDERSON: Well, we know that she`s got a new gig on the HGTV network called "House Hunters."
But Lloyd, do you think she needs a makeover? Does she need to reinvent herself to - to get that job that - that she`s been wanting next?
GROVE: Well, it seems that she needs perhaps - and I maybe am not being entirely serious - maybe put on a few pounds. That might help her.
It seems all the troubles started when she started losing all this weight. But I think that she definitely needs to sort of stick to a message. She`s been talking a lot of different sides of her mouth over - over this period, saying different things to different audiences. And I think she just needs to calm down and stop attacking Barbara. That`s a non- win situation in this business.
And.
ANDERSON: You have said, not nice to mess with Mama Barbara.
GROVE: Exactly. And to just get herself a project and - and - and focus on that. And rather quickly.
ANDERSON: All right. We do wish them all the best out of all this.
GROVE: Always we wish them the best.
ANDERSON: OK. Lloyd Grove - that`s right - of "The New York Daily News," thanks so much. We appreciate it.
GROVE: Sure.
ANDERSON: And on that topic, we want you to vote on tonight`s SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day": "Star Jones Reynolds: Did she end looking like a victim?" Keep voting: cnn.com/showbiztonight. Write to us - there`s the address - showbiztonight@cnn.com. We`re going to read some of your e- mails tomorrow.
HAMMER: Well, Keira Knightley insists she is not anorexic. The Oscar- nominated actress has revealed a history of eating disorders in her family - her great-grandmother and her grandmother had anorexia. But Keira says, Not me.
Now people have wondering after she`s been looking thin on red carpets lately, including this premiere of "The Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man`s Chest." Keira says, "I had a lot of friends at school who suffered from it. I know it`s not something to be taken lightly, and I don`t. I`m not saying there aren`t people in the film industry that suffer from it, because I`m that there are. But I am quite sure I don`t have it."
Keira also added that it`s good that people are discussing eating disorders.
ANDERSON: Well, Keira Knightley joins Johnny Depp back on the big screen in the sequel to "Pirates of the Caribbean" that opens this week. But there`s already major buzz about Part 3 and who`s going to do a cameo. There`s been talk of Keith Richards showing up in Part 3. But tonight we can tell you producer Jerry Bruckheimer has confirmed that will happen.
Johnny Depp says he`s excited to work with Richards. Depp actually patterned some of his character, Captain Jack Sparrow, after the legendary Rolling Stones guitarist.
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JOHNNY DEPP, ACTOR: Keith was kind of a - yes, he was an inspiration, you know? He was sort of one of the ingredients that - that I thought would be nice for the - for the character. And it worked out all right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you looking forward to working with him?
DEPP: Oh, very much. I`m really excited. Of course, you know - Keith Richards is one of my all-time heroes, you know?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you met him before?
DEPP: Yes, I`ve - I`ve had the pleasure of spending some time with Keith over the years. And he`s always a real gentleman, you know.
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ANDERSON: So it looks like we`ll have to wait for the third installment of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" franchise to see Keith Richards` cameo. But you can see Johnny Depp in Part 2, "Dead Man`s Chest," which is in theaters this Friday.
HAMMER: Now remember, we are here each and every day, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Seven nights a week you can find SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. We are bringing TV`s most provocative entertainment news show to your weekends now. So make sure you tune in to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on Saturday and Sunday as well as every other night, 11 p.m. Eastern, 8 Pacific.
ANDERSON: Coming up, Lil` Kim gets a big homecoming celebration, but not everybody is happy about it. Why even her fans may not want to cheer her. That`s next.
Plus, we`ve also got this:
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JOHN LONG, COMMUNITY ACCESS TV PRODUCER: I`m out to challenge them. And the way you challenge them is to be aggressive.
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HAMMER: A homeless guy gets his own TV show. And if you think that sounds strange, well wait til you hear what he`s been saying about gays and women.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates.
ANDERSON: And Kylie Minogue speaks out on TV for the very first time since her recovery from breast cancer. We`ll tell you about her emotional interview. That`s next.
But first, tonight`s "Entertainment Weekly Great American Pop Culture Quiz": In what movie did Meryl Streep make her first appearance on the big screen? "Manhattan," "Holocaust," "Ironweed," or "Julia"? Think about that one. We`ll be right back.
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ANDERSON: Thank you, Charles (ph).
So again, tonight`s "Entertainment Weekly Great American Pop Culture Quiz." In what movie did Meryl Streep make her first appearance on the big screen? "Manhattan," "Holocaust," "Ironweed," or "Julia"? The answer is D, "Julia."
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I am A.J. Hammer in New York.
If something looks a little bit different, well, you are right if that`s what you`re thinking, because our set`s getting a bit of a makeover. So we`re hanging out here for a little while. It`s a very comfy and cozy place to be.
And it`s time now for another story that just made us say, "That`s Ridiculous!"
There are actually two birthdays on July 4 yesterday worth celebrating: America`s 230th, and one guy`s 80,000th. What`s going on with these pictures? Well, five years ago, a Colorado man by the name of Richard Carroll dropped a hot dog off his barbecue grill. Now a pal of his was going to dust the dog off and eat it, but instead - as you`re seeing - he put the hot dog on the antenna of Richard`s car. Lo and behold, neither wind nor rain nor snow ditched the dog. It`s still after 80,000 miles.
We certainly can`t say we relish this story, Brooke, but it does bring new meaning to the dog days of summer, doesn`t it?
ANDERSON: Oh, yes it does. What an eyesore. That`s just disgusting, A.J.
And get this: the guy is going to switch his antenna to a new a truck he`s getting to keep this tough dog, this bizarre traveling companion with him until forever. Who knows?
HAMMER: See, this guy can`t get the satellite radio because that has just little teeny tiny antennas. No place to put the hot dog.
ANDERSON: The hot dog`ll do it. But we say, Take it down! A hot dog on an antenna? "That`s Ridiculous!"
OK, it seems almost anyone can get a TV show nowadays. Even homeless people. Yes, a guy up in Vermont who doesn`t have a place to hang his hat has his own program. It`s a show that`s got many outraged and wondering, Has this free-speech thing gone too far?
Here`s CNN`s Keith Oppenheim for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Burlington, Vermont, long after the sun goes down, a show begins on cable TV with something offensive for just about everyone.
LONG (singing): When the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) does that, you know she should be dead.
OPPENHEIM: The host of the show spews violence against women. He once showed a video of a pig`s head being cut off as he attacked what he called "femi-Nazi" pigs.
LONG: I`m out to challenge them. And the way you challenge them is to be aggressive.
OPPENHEIM: His name is John Long, viewed by many as a racist, someone who encourages violence against gays.
LONG: My goal is to be the most hated person in Burlington.
OPPENHEIM: On TV, he goes by the name "Mr. Happy." In real life, he doesn`t have a paying job or roof over his head. John long is 44 and homeless.
(on camera): How long have you been homeless?
LONG: About -- on and off for about, like, 25 years.
OPPENHEIM (voice-over): Back in 1995, when O.J. Simpson was acquitted of murder, Long says he was outraged, and wanted to broadcast his opinions. He went to Vermont Community Access Media.
ROB CHAPMAN, VERMONT COMMUNITY ACCESS CABLE: Which sees the benefit of allowing people to express themselves, no matter how reprehensible their content would be.
OPPENHEIM: And he took advantage of his surroundings, Burlington, a liberal community he loved to attack.
LONG: I want to challenge the liberal, you know, elite here.
OPPENHEIM: Kara Deleonardis woman works for an advocacy group that monitors hate crimes in Burlington.
KARA DELEONARDIS, SAFESPACE: My fear is that his show can incite someone to actually carry out something that he suggests.
OPPENHEIM: But so far, no one`s been able to show Long has incited anyone to do anything. And state officials say Long`s speeches are constitutionally protected, as long as he doesn`t target an individual or clearly identified group.
SANDI EVERITT, VERMONT`S AG`S OFFICE: If you start curtailing Mr. Long from speaking, then the next person curtailed may be you or I.
LONG: Cable access gives me the power to reach people that I normally wouldn`t even come close to reaching.
OPPENHEIM: And that, in the end, is the irony of John Long.
LONG (singing): Your leftist friends are all wrong...
OPPENHEIM: A homeless person who`s found a home in antagonizing a community that has the tolerance to give him a stage.
LONG (singing): Hasta la vista, baby.
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ANDERSON: That was CNN`s Keith Oppenheim for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
HAMMER: Well, rapper Lil` Kim is out of prison. She`s celebrating her own Independence Day. Fans lined up to cheer her for being sprung for good behavior after 10 months in the federal slammer.
Still, not everybody is applauding this move. Lil` Kim, whose real name is Kimberly Jones, was convicted of lying to a grand jury about a shooting just outside a New York City radio station. Very serious, serious stuff.
Check her out: she is getting out; she is waving to fans. Even radio DJs were congratulating her on their shows. And it is this heroic homecoming that is fueling outrage.
Joining me from Jacksonville, Florida, "New York Daily News" columnist Errol Louis.
Thanks for being with me, Errol.
ERROL LOUIS, "NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": Sure. Good to be here, A.J.
HAMMER: So you had written a column that basically was really knocking people for painting Lil` Kim as a hero. She has been in the slammer. She was sprung for good behavior. Some would say, why not cheer for her?
LOUIS: Well, I wouldn`t cheer for her because, as a - she`s a - it would be interesting to - to superimpose or to show side by side with her leaving prison and taking all of that applause the footage of her bodyguard firing 20 shots into a crowd of people on a New York City show. You know, I`d like to hear the name Alfredo Cazio (ph) mentioned. He`s the guy who took a bullet in the back and ended up in the hospital because of this.
Or - or - or, you know, Sweet Gutter Jackson (ph), the guy who did the shooting, who is still in prison. He`s serving a 12-year sentence. I mean, this is a - this is a tragedy. This is criminality.
HAMMER: And it`s about a bigger picture that really sets you off in your column. You talk about this code of silence, and I want to take a look at a little bit of what you said in your column. You wrote, "Ghettoes across America follow a version of the Mafia code of omerta that drives cops and law-abiding citizens crazy. The general idea is that racism drives people to crime, making dope dealers, burglars and other street thugs flawed but tragic desperadoes engaged in an unavoidable clash with a hostile society."
Now if I think I understand you correctly and what you`re talking about, I - I`m totally on board with you. Are you basically saying people are making heroes out of criminals here, and this is a bad thing?
LOUIS: Oh absolutely.
I mean, listen, she - she has gone on the record saying that, you know, her trial was a case of the government coming after hip - involved in a witch hunt I think she was the phrase she used - against hip hop. And, you know, the reality is - is - almost the opposite. You know, the - the - the government would be remiss if they didn`t try and restore some kind of order to the streets.
Now when people romanticize is this - is this kind of Robin Hood attitude. It doesn`t just stop with a celebrity like Little Kim. It extends to the local drug dealer, the local burglar, all kinds of different things that go on in the community. And law enforcement has gone on record. They say it in jurisdiction after jurisdiction all across the nation. They can`t solve these crimes; they can`t clear these crimes because people will not come forward.
HAMMER: What - what do you say though? Because it is - you`re right. It is - it is part of what happens on the street. It is basically honoring your friends or - or not being a - it basically comes down to not being a snitch, which seems like the honorable thing to do.
You know, obviously you don`t agree and - and - and it is - it is causing problems much bigger than this situation.
LOUIS: Well, sure.
I mean, look, I would - I would just refer to people, I would just say, Look, the stop-snitching movement, if you want to call it that, or tendency or cowardice - if you`re genuinely intimidated by some criminal, that`s one thing. You go to the police on the side, maybe take care of that. But the general idea that you just never cooperate with the police - we have in New York City a 16-year-old honor student named Chanel Petro Nixon (ph) who vanished on Father`s Day, just a couple of weeks ago. Her body was found several days later dumped in front of an abandoned building. The police have put out a gigantic reward. Our newspaper has added to it. We`ve put up hundreds of posters; we`re trying to find out what has happened. And people aren`t coming forward.
This is - this is an everyday reality. And I think people should think about the - the consequences and the real meaning of saying, We won`t help the police.
HAMMER: And Errol, I only have about 30 seconds here. But you know, it`s funny to me that people look at her now possibly as having more street credibility. She went through a tough ordeal and she lost a lot of money. This is not a good thing for Lil` Kim.
LOUIS: Oh no, absolutely. In fact, I think it`s - it`s funny, because in the scene, they - they talk about her pulling off in a Rolls Royce, and they`ve got champagne. On the terms of her confinement, she can`t drink champagne in that house for 30 days.
You know, being a convicted felon is - is no party, as I think she`s going to find out.
HAMMER: And it shouldn`t be celebrated.
Errol Louis, columnist for "The New York Daily News," thanks for being with us.
LOUIS: Thank you.
ANDERSON: It`s time now for tonight`s "Hot Headlines."
Kylie Minogue - quote - "fell to pieces" when she was diagnosed with cancer. In her first TV interview since recovering from breast cancer, the 38-year-old Australian pop star was overcome with emotion. Kylie says her mom and dad were with her when she heard the news and wanted to continue her tour. But her family said, No way. She`s now going to head back on the road, and Kylie says she`s also working on a new album.
Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan is on a hunger strike, and she`s got some big stars helping her out. Sheehan, who protested the Iraq war outside President Bush`s Crawford, Texas, ranch says she will protest the war now by only drinking water and juice throughout the summer. Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn, Willie Nelson and Danny Glover will take turns fasting as well.
And a Viagra victory for Rush Limbaugh. Palm Beach, Florida, prosecutors say they won`t press charges against the talk-show host for the bottle of Viagra found in his luggage that was in his doctor`s name. He was held at the airport on June 26 after he returned from a vacation in the Dominican Republic.
And those are tonight`s "Hot Headlines."
HAMMER: Well, last night we asked you to vote on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." And we got a huge response to it, asking, "Body Image: Is Hollywood obsessed with being too thin?" We actually asked "Superman Returns" star Kate Bosworth about the pressure that she feels being in the business.
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KATE BOSWORTH, "SUPERMAN RETURNS": You know, I think that part of being an actress, that your body`s your tool, you know? And that`s - that`s what I - I really enjoy about - about this job in terms of - you know, I did "Blue Crush" when I was 18, and I - I had to change my body dramatically for that. And it was great because it made me feel completely different in my skin, and - and was a real character. And then, you know, for every role, it`s been a bit different. And - and - and so it - it is part of - of the character. And it`s exciting to be able to use your body that way.
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HAMMER: Here`s what you have to say: an overwhelming 96 percent of you say, Yes, Hollywood is just too obsessed with being thin. Only 4 percent of you saying, No, it isn`t.
Among the e-mails we received, one from Alicia. She`s a teenage from New York and says, "It`s hard to see all of these gorgeous thin celebrities. I don`t think they understand just how much it can hurt."
We also heard from Maria (sic) in California. Maria thinks, "America in general, not just Hollywood, is too obsessed with being thin. America is so na
ANDERSON: All right. Remember, we are here each and every day. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is now on seven nights a week. We`re bringing TV`s most provocative entertainment news show to your weekends. Be sure to tune in. That`s SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Saturday and Sunday. It`s at 11 p.m. Eastern, 8 Pacific.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for a Wednesday night. I am A.J. Hammer in New York.
Time now to check out what`s coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT tomorrow. For that, we go to the "SHOWBIZ Marquee."
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That`s it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I am A.J. Hammer in New York.
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