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What Can We Do About North Korea?; Preview of Weekend Movies

Aired July 07, 2006 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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ANNOUNCER: They say that Kim Jong-Il is starving his people. They say that Kim Jong-Il personally ordered the bombing of Korean Flight 858. They say that Kim Jong-Il would like to start World War III. They`re right. Kim Jong-Il, president for life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m Kim Jong-Il and I don`t have to approve anything. I`m crazy! Can`t you tell by my hair?

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GLENN BECK, HOST: Oh, America, it`s been a fun week, hasn`t it? Really? I mean, all I wanted to do was have a barbecue for the Fourth of July, take the holiday off, phone it in for a short three-day work week. That`s it. Is it too much to ask? Apparently so.

First, Kim Jong-Il decides to test launch some missiles in our general direction, thanks a lot. That was before they fell into the Sea of Japan, ha!

Then it was reported foreign terrorists wanted to attack New York City in the tunnels. That`s going to make my commute home tonight really comfortable. It would kill millions of people, potentially. This was their plan. Flood lower Manhattan.

And that`s not all. Alleged crackhead and whoremonger Charlie Sheen gets nominated for an Emmy Award this week. I got to tell you, I`ve had enough. Now I`ve got to go to see some stupid pirate movie, which I hear isn`t so good -- we`ll check in on that in a minute -- just to get all these nut jobs out of my head.

For years now, Mitchell Reiss was our chief negotiator preventing nuclear proliferation on the North Korean Peninsula.

What is your solution? Please tell me you have one.

MITCHELL REISS, FORMER CHIEF NEGOTIATOR: Well, right now it`s clear that North Korea has thrown the equivalent of an international temper tantrum. But we need to understand why they did this, what they hope to achieve, so that we can counter them and make sure that our agenda is the one that`s promoted.

BECK: So what is -- so why are they doing it?

REISS: Well, I think it serves a number of agendas for Kim Jong-Il. First of all, it`s his way of demonstrating to the world that he is independent, that he isn`t going to cave under to pressure from the United States in particular, but also the regional neighbors that warned him against testing these missiles.

It also is a sock to his military that wanted to test these missiles for many years and a propaganda tool that they can use to rally the people inside North Korea.

I think it may also be true that some people in North Korea hope that this will now be used to bring the United States and the other parties back to the negotiating table on North Korea`s terms so that they can reach an agreement that benefits them.

BECK: So you`re in Alaska, California, Oregon, Washington state, are you getting underneath the desk and duck and cover? I mean, how real is this?

REISS: Well, it`s very real, but the threat hasn`t quite materialized in all its potential form. This test, fortunately, didn`t succeed, but we have to recall that a number of U.S. missile tests in the `50s and `60s...

BECK: Right.

REISS: ... also failed on the platform or soon after launch. So North Korea did learn something from this test, and they`re going to continue to develop a long-range ballistic missile capability. Obviously, that`s a great concern for us.

BECK: Have we learned anything from this? I mean, we keep dealing with these nut -- first of all, do you agree that he`s the mayor of crazy town?

REISS: Well, again, I think that the North Koreans that I met over the years were -- were almost always very smart. They just weren`t terribly sophisticated. They literally don`t get out a lot.

BECK: So wait a minute. I`m asking about him. I`m asking about him. Do you think he`s a stable individual?

REISS: Well, I think what he does is he has a certain set of priorities, a certain set of things that he wants to accomplish, and he doesn`t always recognize that the type of behavior he engages in can be counterproductive.

BECK: Right.

REISS: I think yesterday was a case in point.

BECK: OK, so now are we going to learn from our lessons? I know that China has come out -- is there a chance that they`ll stop sending them food?

REISS: Well, that`s devoutly to be wished, and that`s really the key question along with South Korea`s policy of engagement, also. The challenge for the United States is to translate the current outrage and upset into tangible steps that change North Korea`s behavior. South Korea and China have the most leverage on North Korea, and so that`s really where the focus of our diplomacy has to be.

BECK: Right, OK. Mitchell, thank you very much.

P.J. Crowley was a special assistant to President Clinton. He`s now the director of national defense for the Center for American Progress.

P.J., no answers brother, none.

P.J. CROWLEY, FORMER SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT CLINTON: I agree with you, he`s nuts.

BECK: Thank you very much.

Let me ask you this. Does China, when they send them food, is it Chinese food? Do you know?

CROWLEY: I don`t know. It`s a good question.

BECK: Do we send them General Tso`s Chicken? Kind of like with the general in there?

CROWLEY: Yes, sure. We`ve got to separate out, when we talk about diplomacy, who`s got what interests. Obviously, the South Koreans have the greatest interest, because they`re sitting south of his border, and he has the capacity to do a lot of urban renewal in downtown Seoul if he chooses.

BECK: Right.

CROWLEY: The Chinese have a different kind of issue. Because if we do handle North Korea badly and at some point, you know, the -- the regime implodes or explodes, you`re going to have a huge population flow of people into Manchuria, China.

So while they do have leverage on North Korea, it only gets you so far. Ultimately, when the administration says they want a diplomatic solution, there`s only one thing missing for five years, and that`s the actual diplomacy.

BECK: Right. Let me...

CROWLEY: So ultimately, with the six-party talks, if you want to solve this problem you have to have a conversation with North Korea even if you don`t like them.

BECK: Yes, yes. I`m going to give you a big no on that one. I tell you what, like I said, I don`t have any answers. I have anti-answers, and here they are. The first one would be do we trust Russia and China? Show me Russia and China are our friends? No. Not really, no Russia and China...

CROWLEY: But having them on board at least constructive not destructive...

BECK: Yes, yes. Show me -- let`s go to the U.N.? No. No. U.N. -- you`re probably for a U.N. resolution, aren`t you?

CROWLEY: Well, look, I mean, the U.N. -- it beats the alternative. I mean, what are we going to do? We`ve tried ignoring Kim Jong-Il. It hasn`t worked. We`re kind of busy right now in Iraq and Afghanistan.

BECK: What is really -- let`s call a spade a spade on the U.N. The U.N. -- a U.N. resolution is as dependable as my new year`s resolution. You know, my new year`s resolution every year: I`m going to get in shape. Never happens.

CROWLEY: Actually -- actually, U.N. resolutions work with respect to Iraq. We just didn`t believe...

BECK: Wait, wait. We didn`t believe. Nobody believed that he had gotten rid of the weapons.

CROWLEY: Actually, end up containing the guy.

BECK: Nobody believed him. You know why? Because we caught him time and time again lying to the U.N. and we did nothing about it.

CROWLEY: It brings you back to my point. Ultimately, the one thing you`ve got to do here, you`ve got to have a serious conversation with Kim even if you tell him he`s crazy and you don`t like his taste in movies. And I bet he has seen "Austin Powers".

BECK: Yes, I bet he has, too, along with Swedish porno.

CROWLEY: What we really need to do is somehow we`ve got to crack open the door called North Korea. If you get to some sort of reform movement...

BECK: Let me -- let me -- I`ve only got...

CROWLEY: ... it`s going to dissipate, just like the Soviet Union.

BECK: I`ve got 20 seconds. So these are -- these are real quick answers. Is he a good guy? Yes or no?

CROWLEY: No.

BECK: Can he be trusted, yes or no?

CROWLEY: No.

BECK: Is he starving his people, yes or no?

CROWLEY: Absolutely.

BECK: Why would we get into bed with this guy and trust him on any agreement?

CROWLEY: Because the alternative is that he continues to develop fission material, bombs, and missiles and eventually sells them to terrorist groups.

BECK: Why would we believe him that he`s going to -- I mean, it`s like Chamberlain coming off the plane and saying, "Hey, England, you can sleep well tonight." What are you talking about?

CROWLEY: We get the door open and then reform will take care of the rest.

BECK: All right. P.J., thank you very much. I appreciate it.

CROWLEY: Glenn, always a pleasure.

BECK: All right. Bye-bye.

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BECK: I boycotted the first one for a while until my kids and everybody was like, "You got to see this. It`s great, Glenn!" I boycotted it. I didn`t boycott it. I just couldn`t take. Johnny Depp just pisses me off. But it was good.

And it wasn`t really that it was Johnny Depp. It really wasn`t. It was the fact that it`s ---it`s an amusement park ride! You don`t make movies based on an amusement park ride. You make amusement park rides based on movies. You know what it was? It was like Disney`s out of ideas.

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BECK: Well, here we are on another Friday, and I mean, some of us are going to be sweating by a barbecue, and then dropping loads of cash on popcorn and everything else just to go see a movie. And I got to tell you, I hate it when I go to a movie, and it stinks, because it costs a lot of money and I don`t have time. You know, you can keep my money, Hollywood. Give me my time back.

Now, the one movie that my kids have been just waiting for is, yes, Captain Jack Sparrow`s return.

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BECK: Ooh, wow, Christy Lemire from the Associated Press and our movie reviewer. Christy Lemire, that doesn`t look good.

CHRISTY LEMIRE, MOVIE REVIEWER, ASSOCIATED PRESS: You said you want your time back?

BECK: Yes.

LEMIRE: You`re going to want two and a half hours of your time back. That`s without trailers, so you`re looking at, like, 2:45 there. No movie based on a Disney theme park ride should be two and a half hours long.

BECK: Thank you. Thank you for saying that. You know, I boycotted the first movie. My kids eventually made me go see it, because they`re like, "Dad, it`s so good!" My problem with it is, it came from a theme park ride.

LEMIRE: Right. Right, it`s obnoxious and the first one was two and a half hours long, as well. So is this.

BECK: But the first one, wait. The first one was good. Did you like the first one?

LEMIRE: I liked Johnny Depp in the first one. I liked that weird unpredictable, like, Pepe LePew, Keith Richard kind of gay kind of drunk thing he was doing.

BECK: Yes, OK.

LEMIRE: Because you had no idea where he was going with it. And it`s like what is he thinking? Where is he going with it?

BECK: Right.

LEMIRE: It got nominated for an Oscar and now we know what he was thinking, and it was fabulous.

BECK: Right.

LEMIRE: This time around there`s no surprise in it, and so it sort of sucks a lot of the energy out of it.

BECK: You know, Johnny Depp, you know, I try to get past Johnny Depp. He bothers me.

LEMIRE: "I live in France now, I like it better there."

BECK: No, you know what? It`s not just that he lives in France. He says he`ll live in France, and he won`t raise his children in America because of the horrible things that we teach here in America. Oh, please, Johnny!

LEMIRE: Right, but he`ll star in a huge multimillion-dollar film franchise from one of the world`s largest film industries.

BECK: Yes, yes. Right. He doesn`t mind my American dollars but "God forbid I let my child be corrupted with" -- what? Movies?

LEMIRE: Right. Or his American Oscar nomination.

BECK: Yes.

LEMIRE: There`s that, too. So it`s a lot of fun here and there. It`s actually very cartoonish. It feels sort of like a live action version of one of those Roadrunner-Wylie E. Coyote cartoons.

BECK: So Christy, you need like a star system or something. Because I mean, how do you rate this?

LEMIRE: I give this two stars. We do a four-star system at the A.P. I give this two stars out of four. But we have a little something special that we`re working out just for you, Glenn, something Glennie that you`re going to like a lot.

BECK: What is that...

LEMIRE: I don`t know. It`s a surprise and I can`t tell you anymore. I`ve said too much already, clearly.

BECK: It`s making fun of me, isn`t it, Christy?

LEMIRE: No one here at the show would ever make fun of you.

BECK: No, never!

LEMIRE: No, never.

BECK: So worth your time or not?

LEMIRE: I think if you have kids and they`re going to drag you, you don`t really have much of a choice.

BECK: OK. If you -- if you want to spend some good quality time, where are you putting your money this weekend?

LEMIRE: Well, you know what? New on DVD this weekend, "Pirates of the Caribbean" is a biggie at the theaters but new on DVD, this movie called "The Matador" with Pierce Brosnan. He`s sort of like the anti-James bond in this. He`s sort of like an assassin who is washed up and miserable and on one last job.

BECK: This is Pierce Brosnan?

LEMIRE: Pierce Brosnan, and he plays an assassin who is washed up and miserable, but he`s like the anti-bond. And he and Greg Kinnear team up on an assassination attempt in Mexico City. And it`s so funny.

BECK: What`s the name of -- what`s the name of it again?

LEMIRE: "The Matador."

BECK: You know, I`ve got to tell you, I saw a Pierce Brosnan movie. What was it? It was "After the Sunset."

LEMIRE: Yes, this is better.

BECK: It couldn`t be worse than "After the Sunset."

LEMIRE: Yes, because he`s smooth and pretty. To see him kind of dirty and scruffy is fun.

BECK: Maybe for you. I`m not really, "Ooh, he`s dirty and scruffy, great."

All right, Christy. Thanks a lot. We`ll talk to you next week?

LEMIRE: Yes. See ya. Thanks. Bye.

BECK: Bye.

I don`t know why we have this guy on the show, because he`s wrong 90 percent of the time, you know, and I`m only wrong about 80 -- 88 percent of the time. Here he is, Brian Sack.

Hello, Brian.

BRIAN SACK, PUBLIC VIEWER: Thanks for the introduction, Glenn.

BECK: He`s the public viewer. If you got a complaint about me, you can write in to Brian and then he gives me a hard time once a week.

SACK: Um-hum.

BECK: What was this all about?

SACK: Well, I don`t know, I had a few things I wanted to go over with you.

BECK: Yes.

SACK: Objectively.

BECK: OK.

SACK: I was going back over TiVo, just looking at a few things. And one thing I happened to notice was this one that I thought was really odd - - you know, you get a lot of e-mails saying you`re cute and sexy and all of that stuff.

BECK: Dig me, it is a cross I have to bear.

SACK: Yes, it is. Not long.

BECK: I apologize, men of America, I`m sorry the way your wife is constantly thinking about me. I`m sorry.

SACK: Not for long.

BECK: Why?

SACK: Because I`ll show you.

BECK: Oh, boy.

SACK: This is a clip of you chatting and that`s something, I don`t know, what did you have for lunch? Is that pasta linguini? I don`t know. Nyoki (ph)? Here we got it right over here.

BECK: Oh, my god! I don`t think we need to -- I mean, do you know what my life is -- my life is a living hell with you.

SACK: Why?

BECK: Because!

SACK: I`m just pointing things out like don`t spit on television. Just you know, I know things. I went to film school so I`ve learned...

BECK: OK, all right.

SACK: ... I`ve learned all about television, film, everything and they told me don`t spit on camera.

BECK: Sure, I know.

SACK: Another thing you had an interview with a reporter from Ft. Wayne, and what`s funny, because I guess Erica Hill was out of town that day, for that week and you couldn`t -- you couldn`t really try to get a journalist to commit to a position like you normally do with Erica. But you tried with this lady really hard. And this is what you got. We didn`t get much.

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BECK: Can anybody sit down and solve this over a nice dinner of rabbit stew or not so much?

BECKY MANLEY, "FORT WAYNE JOURNAL-GAZETTE": Oh, it`s an interesting story in the way the debate is being waged.

BECK: But don`t you think it`s a little weird that he then incinerated the dog, as well?

MANLEY: Well, I really have no opinion on that.

BECK: Did Pam -- the neighbors that they`re all afraid of her?

MANLEY: I do not know that.

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SACK: Now, when you put her on the show, did she tell you she was going to say absolutely nothing?

BECK: No, you know what? No, I had no idea, Brian. No idea that she was going to do that. It was an interview from hell. It really was.

SACK: It was greater than Iran-Contra: "I don`t know. I don`t know. No, I don`t remember. I don`t know. Bye."

All right. Moving on, so there was some hate mail read by Miss Diane Dimond.

BECK: Look, is this the dumbest show ever on television? I mean seriously. It makes "Barney" look smart. Good lord, look at me. I look like Barney today. I apologize, America. I`m sorry.

SACK: Public broadcasting.

BECK: We don`t need to take the big fat shot there, do we?

SACK: You could get a steady cam to capture your green socks.

BECK: Those are nice.

SACK: They match.

BECK: They`re great.

SACK: Match your shirt.

BECK: They match the shirt, see? There you go.

SACK: You`re a member of the Lollipop Guild.

All right. So back to the hate mail. This is with Diane Dimond. She read this. And I thought this was interesting. I really thought America...

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DIANE DIMOND, COURT TV: Richard in Florida writes, "Glenn, if you took the worst of personalities, the worst of arrogance, the worst of intelligence and the worst of divisiveness you would come up with Glenn Beck, the mother of all losers. I`d just love to meet the idiot that does the hiring at CNN Headline News." OK, that was Rich saying that, not me.

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BECK: Can I tell you something?

SACK: Yes.

BECK: You should meet that idiot. He`s extraordinarily idiotic.

SACK: Is he still here, because I heard a rumor he`s long gone?

BECK: No, he`s no longer with the company.

SACK: OK. So there was somebody sitting outside the building crying into a pile of resumes.

BECK: Yes, that`s him. That`s him, so...

SACK: So and well, I guess I have nothing else to tell you.

BECK: Oh, really? You`re all out.

SACK: I am all out.

BECK: Gosh, that seems unprofessional of you.

SACK: You`re sad about that?

BECK: I`m just saying.

SACK: We can just chat about things.

BECK: No, no, that`s all right. Here`s your e-mail address. It`s PublicViewer@GlennBeck.com.

SACK: Send me an e-mail.

BECK: You know, I don`t get a lot of complaints on you.

SACK: You don`t?

BECK: No, it seems almost as though they`re being edited out.

You can write your complaints on Brian at me -- M-E -- at GlennBeck.com. Brian, we`ll see you next week.

SACK: So you want people to say bad things?

BECK: Yes. Pretty much. That`s it.

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BECK: So I think the fearless leader of the sane people in southern California is Bill Handel. And when you take a look at this guy you`re going to say wow, that`s sad. From KFI-AM 640, my very good friend Bill Handel.

Hi, Bill.

BILL HANDEL, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Hey, Glenn, how are you?

BECK: Good. I know you`re going to hammer me, because I know you don`t like conspiracies, but Ken Lay, he`s in a freezer with Walt Disney, isn`t he?

HANDEL: No, he`s not. This is God`s retribution. Someone had said this may have even have been a polite suicide...

BECK: Yes.

HANDEL: ... where a lot of people are very, very disappointed. I think the story here is not just Ken Lay, of course, dying. And thereby cutting off -- all the criminal aspects of the case is done.

BECK: Right.

HANDEL: So restitution and anything the court could order is gone.

BECK: Well, here`s the thing. Here`s the thing. You`re an attorney, and that`s why I wanted to talk to you about this. In the -- in the eyes of the law, he`s now not guilty, and he wasn`t even indicted in the eyes of the law now?

HANDEL: Well, I mean, technically that`s the case. I mean, he was convicted. There`s no question it`s going to go down as a conviction, but what ends up happening if you can no longer work on your appeal because you`re unable to -- because maybe you`re dead, as in this case...

BECK: Right.

HANDEL: ... then what happens is the case disappears. A criminal case dies with the death of the defendant, no matter at what stage that case is at.

BECK: Sure. Right. And nobody really cares about any of this. If it was -- if the guy was totally penniless, nobody would care. But he wasn`t penniless. So now the question is what happens to the money?

HANDEL: OK. Let`s talk about the money. First of all, he claims he`s in debt $250,000. Let`s start with that. Even the federal prosecutors who argued he had a ton of money, we`re looking at about $8 million in assets. And a lot of that was already earmarked for his criminal defense. So even assuming he had $4 or $5 million left...

BECK: Well, $8 million, that`s chump change.

HANDEL: You`ve got hundreds, thousands of shareholders and retirees of Enron. They`re all going to ask for a piece -- where it`s going to go.

BECK: You can`t tell me that there`s -- you can`t tell me that there`s not a dirt bag attorney like you that would go after the $8 million?

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HANDEL: Yes. In a heartbeat, and do it on a contingency and ask for 40 or 50 percent, I might add.

BECK: That`s exactly right.

HANDEL: There you go.

BECK: So now he can -- it`s my understanding that -- let`s just say it was a convenient suicide or, you know, whatever. It looked like a heart attack.

HANDEL: Right.

BECK: He could still get -- assuming that he had a big insurance policy, he could still get that money, most likely.

HANDEL: What ends up happening is, let`s say he has a massive insurance policy. It goes to his estate, unless it goes directly to a beneficiary. If it goes to his wife, that`s untouchable. If it goes to his kids they`re not going to get that. But if it goes to his estate...

BECK: Wait, who`s not going to get it? The kids would get that.

HANDEL: The kids would. You`re not going to see either the shareholder suit of the retirees...

BECK: Right.

HANDEL: ... who were screwed by Ken Lay and his fraudulent actions and statements and behavior. All you`re going to see is what he has and what he has left in his estate that could be gotten after by either a shareholder suit or simply a retiree, a pension holder of Enron that can go after it.

BECK: All right. I only have 10 seconds.

HANDEL: Yes.

BECK: So this is really a yes or no. Last night I asked Erica Hill, I said, if you were facing prison you would do what I think he did. That`s go to a ski slope and just have sex until you have a heart attack?

HANDEL: Exactly. He got -- he got the better end of this deal.

BECK: Yes, he really did. Bill, thanks a lot.

HANDEL: Take care, Glenn.

BECK: Bill Handel, from KFI-AM 640 in Los Angeles.

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BECK: When it comes to Kim Jong-Il, I don`t he has a death wish. He loves life too much. He loves his Mercedes. He loves his Swedish supermodels. He loves his movies. He`s diggin` being the head guy. So him with nuclear weapons, there is some deterrent. You can`t let him have them, but I don`t know how you`re going to stop him at this point.

I mean it`s going to be one of those days. I just know it. I knew at the end of the show, blood is just going to be spurting out of my eyes. You know why I know this? Because we`re starting with North Korea. Today, they publicly acknowledged for the very first time that they had tested missiles. No! And they vowed to continue launching them, threatening to quote, "take stronger physical actions against the opponents of the test" and I`m guessing that`s not giving free hair cuts to anybody that objects. On top of that, our good pals Russia and China are opposed to any UN sanctions against North Korea. Hmmm. Wonder what`s one that? Thanks, guys.

But don`t worry, while the seeds of World War III were being planted today, president bush spent the day at Dunkin Donuts in Virginia, swear to ya, that`s what he was doing.

You know the truly terrifying thing about this whole scenario is, didn`t you think, when we were going through the Cold War, that our parents, you know, they had like the answers. They had it down, either that or they were better bluffers than I am. Because now I get "Daddy, do you think we`re going to be vaporized by North Korea?" "I don`t know, could be."

You know, there`s actually, there`s just a few things that I do know, and here they are. One, we can`t allow North Korea to have weapons of mass destruction. Two, Kim Jong-Il, completely untrustworthy. Three, the UN resolutions, they`re a joke. They`re not going to work. Four, getting into bed with evil crazy people never really ends well, and if you don`t believe me, just try to go back in the memory banks to the boiling of the bunny in what was the name of that movie with Michael Douglas? You know the one, yeah, "Fatal Attraction." Thanks, Kevin.

Here`s one thing that I don`t know. Yeah, I have no idea what we`re supposed to do. How this is all going to play out left into the hands of real experts. Jim Carafano is a guy who has war games scenarios. Jim you really -- it was a war game. You sat down and you played one country and the other guy played the other country.

JAMES CARAFANO, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: Yeah. Nobody hangs around in cocktail parties with me. It`s disappointing.

BECK: I`ve got to tell you. This is like a 7-year-old`s dream come true job.

CARAFANO: We used to do this all the time in the Cold War. It sounds like a game but it`s serious stuff. Because you`re trying to figure out how the enemy is going to react.

BECK: Which was more frightening? War gaming during the Cold War or war gaming now with people like Iran and North Korea?

CARAFANO: It`s much scarier now. I mean, think back to the Cold War. That`s kind of like your classic gun fight, two guys high noon in the street, they`re staring each other down. That`s what we did with the soviets. Everybody knew the rules and everybody knew what would happen if they blinked.

Now what we did is we said, let`s assume North Korea gets nuclear weapons. Japan, South Korea, they are not going to stand by. They are going to get nuclear weapons, too. So let`s assume everybody has nuclear weapons. So now it kind of looks like the "Gunfight at the OK Corral" with everybody shooting in every direction. So we said what happens is you always wind up having nuclear war.

BECK: OK, let me just -- I appreciate that. Let me just go over here a second. I didn`t really -- OK, in fact, Ellie, could you play something, just play that little .

ANNOUNCER: And now something to take your mind off what he just said.

BECK: Look at the little chickies. The little chicks. Bock, bock, bock, bock, bock, bock, yeah. OK, back to the interview.

ANNOUNCER: This has been something to take your mind off what he just said.

CARAFANO: There`s good news, though.

BECK: OK. What is the good news?

CARAFANO: Then what we did is we introduced missile defenses into the war game and we gave missile defenses to our friends, and we actually found out that that made things a lot more stable. It actually helped prevent nuclear war.

BECK: I have to tell you I`m not as worried about North Korea having a missile and shooting it off to us, as some of these nut jobs, I mean, Iran has a missile, or a nuke, they`re just going to call somebody up and say hey, want to take our nuke out for a spin? They`ll just give it to some other nut job who will take it in a boat off of one of our shores, won`t they?

CARAFANO: It`s funny you say that because when we did this war game, a loft the players were younger people that weren`t alive during the Cold War. And they play the game and they thought you could do the kind of things you said, you can fire one nuke as a warning or you know, smuggle a nuke or something, and those of who lived through the Cold War we understood how the rules are played. When somebody would fire one nuke I would nuke their entire country. They go oh my God why did you do that?

The answer is, you guys don`t understand, nuclear weapons aren`t to be used. These are about deterrence and the only way deterrence works is if you`re serious. So if somebody thinks they`re going to use a nuclear weapon they have to understand the next day their country is going to be glass.

BECK: So how likely is it that vaporization is a part of our child`s life?

CARAFANO: Probably not much. I mean first of all, we have to remember, North Korea has yet to demonstrate they can shoot a missile that can actually hit anything. They did a test in `98, it actually didn`t work. They did a test, it flew for a minute and it fell into the ocean. So the first thing they have to get a missile that can go somewhere and then they have to figure out how to put a nuke on it, and then they`ve got it through the missile defenses and then they`ve got to say after I shoot my five missiles or whatever, what am I going to do about the 150,000 American missiles that are going to come down on me.

BECK: If they would actually care about that but I think the guys in for instance Iran are nuts enough they want to go meet Allah, you know, soon, at any time. They`ll wait another 12 minutes.

CARAFANO: I tell you, the guys in North Korea, they are Tony Soprano. You know.

BECK: You know the thing I like about Tony Soprano is he does care about dying. I don`t think the nut jobs in the Middle East do. Jim, thanks a lot.

CARAFANO: Thanks for having me.

BECK: Now, apparently the Pentagon activated a missile defense shield yesterday in response to North Korea`s missile launches. I didn`t even know we had one of those freakin` things. I don`t know how it works or even if it works. You know, when doomsday happens, John Luddy is an expert on this. How long have we had this?

JOHN LUDDY, PRESIDENT, VECTOR SOLUTIONS: Hi, Glenn.

BECK: Hi.

LUDDY: We have in place now about 11 interceptors in Alaska and in California, and it`s part of a system that we`ve been developing for several years and we`re continuing to develop it, and while we`re developing it, we have said, because it`s got some basic capability that, we`re going to declare this system operational and be able to use it in the case of an emergency.

BECK: Do we know what operational means? Even if it`s 20 percent effective, that`s 20 percent out of 10 missiles that`s 20 missiles that aren`t hitting Omaha or Nebraska.

LUDDY: That`s the logic of this. While we continue to develop the system - it is nowhere near where we want it to be. We`re continuing to work for it over the next few years. We know that it has some potential. And you`d be crazy not to throw anything you had up against an incoming missile. So that`s the thinking.

BECK: Bush is -- Everybody was making fun of bush right after 9/11 and said oh, the world has changed and he seemed to be the guy who said, yeah, it has changed and there`s going to be one nut job with one missile and he`s going to aim it at Los Angeles and nobody listened to him.

LUDDY: Well, listen, you know, the argument has been the threat isn`t going to come on a missile it is going to come on a ship sailed into the harbor and so forth. My argument and the argument a lot of people make is why not defend against all of it if you can?

BECK: Right.

LUDDY: Right now the options that a president has would be limited if North Korea actually launched a missile. The first option wouldn`t really be an option, sit and wait to see where it landed and the second option would be as Jim was saying, decide whether or not to launch a retaliatory strike and kill millions of innocent North Koreans. The thinking, the logic of missile defense is that there ought to be some other alternative that gives us a chance to actually defeat the missile.

BECK: Well, I`ve got to tell you it makes me feel better that we actually are moving forward on this and we actually have something in place. When I heard that we had activated something, I thought that was great. Although, I do have a couple of other ideas, I mean, do we have the photo, I`ve worked this one up myself. This is, yes, see there`s the United States and we put it like in a snow globe, I don`t know where we get the snow globe or how we do it make a giant snow globe and the benefit of this, not only stops the missiles from coming in, air conditioned.

LUDDY: Yeah, the problem is global warming, Glenn, it`s never going to work.

BECK: Right, is that what the problem is?

LUDDY: Right.

BECK: Have we thought about -- The Patriot missile, how different is the Patriot missile technology from what we`re trying to develop on a missile shield?

LUDDY: Very different. The Patriot missile is being modernized and developed. It`s being deployed. It`s a very effective system against short-range missiles, very close to their target. What we`re trying to do with the ground-based missile defense system, the one I described in Alaska is intercept out over the ocean, but not wait for the last few seconds but during the period of a minute or two or several minutes really, try to intercept it out over the ocean.

BECK: Yeah. That`s a good safety tip and let me get it over the ocean and not over a city. John, thanks a lot. Mark my words, while everybody was looking up at the sky saying look at the spaceship, no, it wasn`t. It was the stealth. Whatever we say we have now, we`re at least 10 years ahead of that. Rest well, America. Back in a minute.

RICHELLE CAREY, HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I`m Richelle Carey with your headline prime news break. An alleged plot to attack the Holland Tunnel has been foiled by U.S. and foreign authorities. The Holland Tunnel connects New Jersey to New York City. The FBI says three of the eight principal players have been identified.

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MARK J. MERSHON, FBI NEW YORK FIELD OFFICE: We`re here today to discus what we believe is the real deal. For most of the year, we have been focusing on a group of al Qaeda followers who had targeted the Hudson River tubes that connect New Jersey with lower Manhattan. We believe we intercepted this group early in their plotting, and then in fact, the plan has largely been disrupted.

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CAREY: So far, one person has been officially charged.

Now, President Bush says he`s committed to a diplomatic solution to the dispute over North Korean missiles. Meanwhile, Japan has introduced a tougher draft resolution on North Korea, despite opposition from two key UN Security Council members, China and Russia. A vote on Japan`s draft could happen tomorrow.

Former U.S. secretary of state Colin Powell says he`s fine now. That wasn`t the case last night. Powell was briefly hospitalized after a dinner with former President Bill Clinton. He say it may have been the altitude or just maybe something he ate.

A U.S. army soldier may face charges for trying to break into a plane`s cockpit. Passengers aboard the Delta Airlines flight tackled and restrained him after the second time he rammed into the cockpit door. Airport police arrested the soldier after the plane landed safely in Tampa. The family says the soldier does have mental problems related to his army service.

An American was left partially paralyzed after the first running of the bulls in Pamplona today. The New York man was thrown by a young cow and had to have surgery. Several other people were hospitalized after being gored or trampled by the bulls. But it`s a tradition.

That`s the news now. Thanks for watching. Keep it here. I`m Richelle Carey.

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BECK: You know what really makes this country great are the people. I have been fortunate enough to meet people from all walks of life who embody the best of America`s values -- people like the Meaders family. And as you`ll see in a minute, they`ve gone to great lengths to keep our troops in Iraq as safe as possible. They are, as I like to call them, real Americans.

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BECK (voice-over): Help protect our heroes. The tag line says it all. The program`s called "Operation Helmet." it was started two years ago by the Meaders family when their grandson, U.S. marine Sergeant Justin Meaders called home asking for helmet upgrades, not just for himself but for his entire company.

Apparently their marine issued helmets are made to protect against gunfire but did little in the way of protection against a growing danger of bomb explosions. The sharp rise in traumatic brain injuries among troop casualties was causing great concern that their helmets were simply just not safe enough.

The Meaders family took up donations from friends and loved ones and sent the upgrade kits off. That`s when "Operation Helmet" began. The upgrade to the helmets is simple. The kit consists of seven foam cushion inserts which go right into the existing helmet making it more resistant to bomb blasts and injuries from motor vehicle accidents. The price for each kit is about $70 but the protection it provides can mean the difference between life and death.

Its founder, Dr. Bob Meaders, is looking for support from our own government. He`s testified before Congress, and has implored the Pentagon to equip our solders with safer helmets. To date, the organization has distributed 11,000 kits, all at no cost.

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BECK: Joining me now is Mark Meaders, Bob`s son, who also works with Operation Helmet. And also a good friend of my family`s. Hi, Mark.

MARK MEADERS, OPERATION HELMET: Hi, Glenn.

BECK: How are you?

MEADERS: I`m doing well, thank you.

BECK: Why is the government not doing this?

MEADERS: You know, I don`t have a good answer to that. Perhaps it`s funding. Perhaps it`s, they`re fighting the last war. Perhaps a myriad of reasons. And frankly, it doesn`t really matter why they`re not. All we can do as Americans, as citizens, as private people is to go out and take one of a couple actions.

Yeah.

You can write a letter and send it to all of your congressmen and senators and anybody you can think of, you can send some money or you start an organization that will provide these helmet upgrade kits to our troops at no cost.

BECK: Hang on just a second. I want to show you this helmet here. This is what you`re buying with $70. Actually, Mark, I got to tell you, I think it`s kind of cool that we`re doing it together. For one reason, I think if the government would buy this, it would be like $475. For you, if you act now only $7.

MEADERS: Glenn, you got a typo there, $71.

BECK: Seventy-one dollars.

MEADERS: Yes, sir.

BECK: Forget it. No. Seventy-one dollars, OK. If all of these pieces in here that fit, and you can se that if you didn`t have all of this, if you got hit or were in some sort of an accident, this helmet is really hard and quite heavy, it would rattle around and really do some additional injury but here, if you put these pads in there, it keeps the helmet snug on our soldiers` heads and I think, I actually really like it, Mark, that you know, we, the people, are kind of doing this, and taking it on our self, getting actively involved in doing what we can. How many soldiers have been affected? How many have received these kits?

MEADERS: Well, we`ve shipped over 11,000 at this point and frankly the numbers that are coming in day in and day out are staggering. The book that I have here is the requests, just the requests that we received since the 22nd of June.

BECK: Wow!

MEADERS: That`s six days ago. And in fact, it doesn`t have today`s requests. This is as of yesterday.

BECK: I know that when we first had your dad on my radio show, what was it, Mark? Two years ago maybe?

MEADERS: Something like that, yes.

BECK: There were just a few people that had requested, and they kept coming in and coming in, and I know Cher now has gotten involved. She saw your father, I think on c-span and was spending a wild weekend watching C- SPAN and wrote a check for $100,000 to ship a lot off and now we have even more, because she covered everybody who wanted them at the time.

MEADERS: Exactly, she zeroed our backlog out, and what`s interesting is that that backlog within a few days came right back up, because of the requests that come in. Yesterday alone, we received requests for 244 kits from the marines, from a few army, from a few navy and a lot of air force.

BECK: All right. How do people get involved at home, if they`re sitting home and saying I have 70 bucks? How do I get involved?

MEADERS: Go to operationhelmet.org, and click on the "Get Involved" link or click on the "Donate or Contribute" link or soldier, sailor, airman or marine, click on "Kit Request" and request an upgrade.

BECK: That`s great. Bob, say hi to your father for me. I have to tell you, this is so weird because you`re in DC. I`m in New York and your daughter is with my daughter tonight here in New York and I`m going to, with your permission, dad, if I can stake them to "Superman" we`re going to see "Superman" late tonight 37 is that cool with you?

MEADERS: Absolutely.

BECK: Bob, thank you very much. Again the address if you would like to get involved is?

MEADERS: Operationhelmet.org.

BECK: Thanks, Mark.

MEADERS: Thanks, Glenn.

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BECK: I was reading this weekend, I found an article about our patriotism here in the U.S., an actual headline from some French news story, and I kid you not. "U.S. flag epidemic reaches peak on Fourth of July."

"Flag epidemic?" Seriously, that`s nice, comparing our people showing our patriotism with an infectious disease. Then they go on to quote some Frenchy French author who says, "It`s a little strange this obsession with the flag. I spit on your lowly American stars and stripes."

He`s French so I`m not exactly stunned that he wouldn`t understand our culture. It`s kind of like I don`t understand women with underarms that look like loofah sponges. That`s your thing, France. I guess the flag is ours.

Now this weekend I had a flag hanging outside of my house for the holiday. One flying on top of another, right underneath it was the Iraqi flag and I was proud of it. You know, I`m an evil war monger what can I say? I heard "The Star-Spangled Banner" about every 30 seconds during the one weekend you`re allowed to openly like our country.

But while I was at church I heard something else. And I want you to know I`m not anti-"Star-Spangled Banner", it`s a great national anthem, you know, "the land of the free and the home of the brave," it`s tough to get better than that.

But as I was listening to the words of "America the Beautiful" I heard a message our country needs now more than ever, and it`s not the spacious skies or purple mountains or fruited plain part, it`s the third verse that I bet most people have never heard.

"O beautiful for heroes proved in liberating strive who more than self their country loved and mercy more than life. America! America! May God thy gold refine, till all success be nobleness and every gain divine!"

On the day where Enron is back in the news, is there any better goal than all of your successes being noble and every gain divine? "Star- Spangled Banner" focuses on might, bravery and resilience and certainly traits that are still vital today but in our everyday life, at least in mine, it`s nobleness and divinity that we need to be reminded of, in the beginning of quite frankly every sporting event. Don`t get me wrong, if you screw with us, France, going to be lots of red rockets glaring, oh yeah and our bombs bursting on ground level now, not in the air unless we want them to and if I were you I wouldn`t test the rockets red glaring. I wouldn`t.

I guess I`m just being a little jingoistic. You can e-mail me at glennbeck@cnn.com but please, please, be noble, and divine, while you do it. See you tomorrow on the radio show you sick, twisted freak.

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