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Bombs Hit Indian Trains, Killing More than 100; Ridiculous Lawsuits Filed from Jail

Aired July 11, 2006 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST: It was 6:20 Tuesday evening in Mumbai, India. Four and a half million people were doing what they do every day. Just getting back on the train, going home after another day at work. They`re just like us. They`re going to have dinner with their families.
Some reports now say for the next 11 minutes, as many as eight coordinated blasts hitting different stations in a matter of minutes, at least 135 people senselessly murdered. Hundreds of others seriously injured. Scores of limbs and mangled bodies cascaded over the train stations. It was a wave of chaos. Some people say that people were literally throwing themselves off the platform to avoid the explosions, and they were hit by oncoming trains.

Details are still sketchy. Don`t know if any of that really is true at this point. They`re changing minute by minute.

Shalish Mahad (ph). He was a young man. He`s in his 20s. He was on the floor of a hospital. He was surrounded by bloody cotton swabs. People had just sat down in the hospital hallways. He was shouting at a reporter who was taking notes. He said, "I can`t hear anything." He said, "People around me didn`t survive. I don`t know how I did." He was shouting. He was deaf from the explosions.

Sitting next to him was another man. He had bloody bandages over his eyes and he had reached into his pocket, blood all over his hands. And he was holding his cell phone out. He knew that a nurse was in front of him. And he was begging the nurse to call his wife: "Please just tell her that I`m OK." What he didn`t understand and nobody at the hospital understood yet, was that the cell phones in India were jammed.

I`ve been saying this since 9/11. This is World War III. We`re in World War III. We just -- most people in America and a lot of people in the world are just starting to realize that.

Nobody`s claimed responsibility for this. But I can`t imagine what kind of person, no matter how wronged or disenfranchised they might feel, choose to make their point through mass murder. What kind of world do we live in where innocent people coming home from work or running on an errand are now military targets? The kind of world that`s at war with people that cannot be reasoned with, cannot be negotiated with and cannot coexist.

This attack happened on 7/11, joining the eerie cycle which includes the Madrid bombings of 3/11 and, of course, our own World Trade Center attacks of 9/11. We don`t know if this was al Qaeda or not. I don`t know if this was the work of just separatists who just want an independent Kashmir.

I don`t even know, honestly, how much of an ally India is in our war on terror. I know they`re an ally. Were they in Iraq?

I do know that someone evil is trying to spread fear across India and the rest of the planet tonight.

Dana Dillon, intelligence expert, specializing in Southeast Asia with the Heritage Foundation, joins us now by phone.

Dana, did I miss anything important here?

DANA DILLON, INTELLIGENCE EXPERT, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: Well, your description of India as an ally in the war on terror is very accurate. India was already suffering from Islamic terrorism even before the war on terrorism. And in fact, they consider that we joined them, not the other way around. And that this is a horrible thing striking at fault lines in South Asia.

BECK: Were they -- are they in Iraq?

DILLON: No, they`re not. They don`t define the war in Iraq as part of the war on terrorism. They define it as Afghanistan. They are in Afghanistan, and they do help a lot in Afghanistan. But they`ve not participated in Iraq.

BECK: OK. The Indian news media says that this is just Kashmiri militants, but now there are starting to be reports that this is far too sophisticated for that. What are your thoughts?

DILLON: Well, generally speaking, yes, I would have to agree, that this looks more like an al Qaeda attack than a Kashmiri attack. And one is there was already a Kashmir attack earlier in the day. There have been several of them, actually, over the last month in Kashmir, which is normally where Kashmiri attacks.

And usually these attacks outside of the region are done by international terrorists, and there has been lots of links to terrorist attacks that are linked to al Qaeda and India.

BECK: So -- so why India?

DILLON: Well, that is -- India is believed to be part of the kind of the Jewish- Christian-Hindu coalition against Muslims, I guess. The -- they are considered just as much an enemy to Islam, as -- at least the Hindu portion of it.

And in fact Mumbai where this happened is just north of them, where the kind of majority of the people start becoming Muslims. India, in fact, has a population of almost 200 million Muslims.

BECK: I don`t understand. I really just don`t understand these radical religious people that really think that this is what God or Allah wants. I just can`t even begin to understand this.

Would you agree that we`re World War II 1938 right now, that this is - - we are on the threshold of World War III if we`re not already in it?

DILLON: I would say further along than 1938, yes. Unfortunately. I mean, this has been going on -- 9/11 was, I would say, probably closer to December 7.

BECK: But see, here`s the difference; here`s why I don`t agree with you. December 7, the world woke up. America woke up and said, "OK, I see what`s happening."

There are too many people in the rest of the world that think that we can actually coexist. There`s still -- 1938, a lot of the world, a lot of Americans still believed, "Oh, well, Hitler, he hasn`t really done anything wrong. If we would just change our policy, if it wasn`t for the evil French and Versailles and everything else, then Hitler would be OK."

It wasn`t until `41 where we went, "Wait a minute. There is evil on the planet, and it`s either us or them."

DILLON: Right.

BECK: And I don`t think we`ve gotten there yet, have we?

DILLON: Well, you know, frankly I do. I guess I do think that. I mean, I suppose there are Americans who don`t feel that way or people who waffle on it. And during the war when things got tough during World War II, going back, using the World War II analogy. As the war got on, people were sometimes reluctant to make the sacrifices that needed to be made or disagreed with the overall strategy of the war.

But -- and again I don`t want to mince words on that.

BECK: Yes.

DILLON: Or parse words, I guess I should say. I fully support the war on terrorism. I hope most Americans do. And this is certainly a part of the war on terrorism, no matter -- no matter if it was al Qaeda or another terrorist group.

BECK: I don`t understand how people think that we can coexist with this kind of -- I mean, this is -- this is absolutely what it is, this kind of -- this kind of evil.

With North Korea in the news here in the last few days, North Korea has a nuke. They`re starving their own people; they`re broke. Don`t you think that these are the kind of people that, if they had the money, they would come in and buy that nuke?

DILLON: Oh, quite definitely. In fact, I`m sure that if North Korea can prove that they had working nukes that there would be some sort of, you know, agreement or discussion.

I think the interesting thing about the attack -- or not the interesting thing, the sad thing about the attack in Mumbai is that it also could potentially disrupt what has been a very favorable peace process between Pakistan and India.

Pakistan had, for a number of years, before 9/11 supported what they called freedom fighters, and which everyone else called terrorists.

BECK: Right.

DILLON: They did stop it after 9/11. But India remains deeply suspicious of Pakistan`s intentions. And nonetheless, they have engaged in this peace dialogue on the border between the two countries that has been very, very useful, especially in the fear. You talk about nuclear weapons. Both countries, Pakistan and India, have nukes. They also have long-range missiles, hitting many places on both countries.

BECK: What are the odds, Dana, that we are looking at something that could be traced back to Pakistan? Is that likely?

DILLON: Well, that -- that is going to be the big -- I don`t think so. I think if anybody has anything to lose, it`s Musharraf. I mean, he has more to lose than anyone, because he can`t -- he`s been -- he has firmly put himself in the camp, the American camp, the international community against terrorism. So to be seen and be involved with terrorists would be...

BECK: A killer for him. Literally. I`ve never seen anybody so on the precipice of being killed as Musharraf. He`s a brave man.

Dana, thank you very much.

DILLON: Thank you.

BECK: You bet.

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BECK: OK. I got to tell you, this is full-fledged duct tape alert. You`re going to have to wrap your head with tape so it doesn`t blow off your shoulders when you hear the news.

James Higginson (ph), he`s serving time in an Indiana prison on several burglary charges. He decides to assault a corrections officer. I mean, he just wails on the guy. So what do they do next? Well, of course, he sues the state. Sure.

Why? Because he says he`s not allowed to read porn in his jail cell. Yes. Yes, apparently, according to him, him not having any porn is causing him, quote, "pain, suffering, humiliation, mental anguish, emotional distress" and, get this, "financial loss." What are you losing, like 12 cents a day, loser?

You want porn? Here`s the porn you get in prison. Yes, baby, read it all you want. "Playhag."

But wait. Wait, wait, wait. There`s more.

Convicted arsonist Eric Smith. He set fire to 12 apartments, several million dollars in damage, leaves 12 families homeless. He`s suing the state because -- because the prison won`t allow him Rogaine. That`s right. Human torch wants the taxpayer to pay for his thick, luxurious head of hair.

I swear to God this -- this stuff is going to make my head explode. Sometimes I read this stuff and I just get down on my knees: Please, Jesus, please, take me now. I pray for freaking death, man. Make the insanity stop.

It all comes down to this. Rights versus responsibility. You got a right to spend your day reading porn. Here`s the idea. Once you set fire to people or you beat up a cop or whatever, you`re not going to get free porn from me. Once you abdicate the responsibility, you give up the right, as well.

Patricia Erdman, she is the deputy attorney general from Indiana.

Patricia, how do you do it? How do you do it?

PATRICIA ERDMAN, DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL, INDIANA: Well, it`s our duty to defend the state and its officers, obviously, against these lawsuits.

And I think you bring up an important point when you talk about the personal accountability of the prisoners. But we also have to balance that with some other constitutional principles. Prisoners have a right to use the courts. But they don`t have a right to abuse the courts.

BECK: Let me give you -- let me give you this. Eric Smith wrote, quote, "Ha, ha, I`m costing the DOC and the taxpayers all kinds of money. You want to keep me in prison? Fine. I`m going to make -- I`m going to be a costly prisoner."

I mean, how does this guy have any credibility in any courtroom?

ERDMAN: Correct. Well, he wrote that -- he wrote that letter to our office. And that was in response to many, many lawsuits that our office successfully defended and won. And that was his response to our successful attempts.

And we`re going to use that letter in response to our continued efforts to see that his lawsuits are dismissed. And we`re proactive in seeing that these lawsuits are continually dismissed. And we`ve had successful efforts in terms of supporting efforts in enacting legislation, to make sure that there`s three strikes, you`re out. You file frivolous lawsuits, you can`t continue to do that when they`re abusive, malicious...

BECK: Has that -- has that changed anything? Three strike, you file three frivolous lawsuits, you`re out. Has that changed a darn thing?

ERDMAN: Well, it`s fairly new in our state. In terms of -- in terms of federal litigation, we have seen that that`s been successful in curbing the tide. But that`s one -- that`s one step. There`s other things that can be done, and our office will seek inappropriate -- in appropriate cases, we`ll seek sanctions because the tax...

BECK: I got news for you.

ERDMAN: ... the taxpayers need to be reimbursed.

BECK: Yes, yes. You know what? Let me tell you something, Patricia, you keep fighting the good fight, because there ain`t a taxpayer on planet Earth that wants to pay for porno magazines for a prisoner.

ERDMAN: Absolutely.

BECK: Thanks a lot for your time.

Now Phillip Howard, he runs a grass roots organization called Common Good. Its goal: to prevent litigation just like this.

Phillip, tell me about the guy that says he deserves a Mother`s Day bag.

PHILIP HOWARD, COMMON GOOD: Right. Some guy goes to Angels Stadium on Mother`s Day where the mothers come and get a free tote bag. And he doesn`t get one, because he`s not a mother. And he`s filed a discrimination lawsuit that it discriminates against him. Yes. Those are the kinds of cases that, you know...

BECK: Does anybody have anything to do with their time? I mean, is there any -- get a freaking job, man. How do people even come up with this stuff?

HOWARD: There`s this idea in America now -- it`s really only the last 10 or 15 years, that anything you don`t like, you can sue for it. It doesn`t matter. And it doesn`t really matter if you win or not at this point.

BECK: Yes.

HOWARD: People are so gun shy about any angry person dragging him into the process, it`s like the prisoner says, "Ha ha, I drag you through the process"...

BECK: Yes. I`ve got to tell you, the prisoners, these prisoners, porno magazines, Rogaine? I got news for you, man, you`re -- I`m taking the TV out of your cell. You don`t get TV. You broke the law. You lose your rights.

You know what you`re going to do? You`re going to go out in the yard and you`re going to grow your own freaking food. That`s what you`re going to do. You`re not going to be reading porn. "I never thought this could happen to me until I shoot somebody into the chest." Give me a break.

HOWARD: Yes. But, you know, the worst thing about it is it`s completely changed the culture now. You know, schools are not allowed to let the kids run, many schools, because they don`t want to get sued.

BECK: I just read a story in "USA Today" this morning that said that you can`t play tag anymore; that`s out.

And my daughter was just born eight weeks ago. I`m at the hospital. I`ve got the video camera. And the nurse says, "Sorry, you`ve got to turn this off during the birth."

And I said, "Well, I`ll stay back here. I`ll put it on a tripod."

"No, sorry." And it`s all because of litigation.

HOWARD: Right, right, right. It`s completely changed the practice of health care. Some estimates of defensive medicine, when doctors order tests they know aren`t needed, because they`re scared they might get sued, some estimates of that are over $100 billion, which is enough money to pay for health insurance for the 45 million people who don`t have it.

BECK: Yes. The scary thing is I was reading a stat here in New York with teachers. It takes over a year to fire a teacher. And I think it`s - - you might know. I think it`s $1 million, one point something million dollars over the period of time just to fire a crappy teacher.

HOWARD: More people go to Death Row than teachers get fired through the legal process.

BECK: Phillip, thank you for your time.

HOWARD: Thanks, Glenn.

BECK: Now, you might be saying, Glenn, if we put an end to frivolous lawsuits, wouldn`t that put an awful lot of lawyers out of work? Why, yes, it would. But I`m sure that there`s, you know, a few sleazeball ambulance chasers that would find some way to survive.

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ANNOUNCER: Later on GLENN BECK.

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BECK: In case you don`t know who I am, my name is Glenn Beck. I`m the third most listened to radio talk show host in America, which really says something about America`s taste, doesn`t it?

And we have been talking the last couple of days about something called SPP. We brought it to you last night on the show.

One of the guys who is on one of my affiliates, 950 KPRC, he`s my best friend. He does mornings on KPRC. His name is Pat Gray. And he has been following this from the get-go.

Pat, SPP, bring us up to speed on what it is.

PAT GRAY, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: It`s the security and prosperity partnership agreement that was entered into by President Bush, Vicente Fox and at that time Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in March of 2005 in Crawford, Texas. And it was an agreement that was signed by those three guys, not ratified by Congress, not voted on by the people, but it`s going forward anyway.

BECK: OK. I had a guy on last night. And he was, I think, from the Heritage Foundation. And he said, "Well, I mean, I think it`s a lot of rhetoric, but the framework is there, in case you ever wanted to do something." Well, that brings us to the port in Kansas City.

Tell me a little bit before we get to the port, about the highway leading to the port.

GRAY: Well, there`s a NAFTA superhighway being built. It`s four football fields wide. It`s this huge freeway that stretches all the way from Mexico to Canada. And the first leg of that begins in Texas next year. It`s called the Trans-Texas corridor. And I know that that can only be...

BECK: It`s 400 yards wide. How many lanes is that?

GRAY: I don`t know. But a lot. A lot.

BECK: That`s insane.

GRAY: And it`s got sensors so that trucks don`t have to stop on the way. But I`m sure that has nothing to do with it. It`s not about a North American union or free trade. It`s about all of the travel between Mexico City and Toronto that Americans enjoy every year.

BECK: Yes.

GRAY: Almost like a pilgrimage for me, I know you and I.

BECK: You actually, you canceled your pilgrimage.

GRAY: Just so I could be on your show.

BECK: Yes, that was big of you.

GRAY: So when you put all of these components together, you put the Kansas City smart port together with the NAFTA superhighway.

BECK: And the smart port is what, Pat?

GRAY: The smart port is -- now initially was being discussed as the first place that the trade, the trucks from Mexico would stop.

BECK: Right.

GRAY: They would avoid the ports in Long Beach and Los Angeles and go all the way to Kansas City before they`d even be inspected.

BECK: That sounds safe.

GRAY: And it was originally -- when the story first broke, it was talked about as if it were a Mexican port being built for Mexico by Kansas City taxpayers.

BECK: Mexican -- Mexican officials will be there. That`s what I understand. Now the guy who is the head of the smart port is going to join me on the radio show tomorrow. I`d love to have you on the radio show, as well, to talk to him.

GRAY: I`d love to.

BECK: Because you`re really, really up on this. But I understand he`ll be with us tomorrow to talk a little bit about this.

You know, Pat, I feel like -- we`ve only got 30 seconds. I feel like a freak, because I mean, you know, I`m not a John Bircher. I`ve never -- you`ve known me for years. I`ve never been down on this paranoia express on, you know, they`re coming to take our sovereignty. I really think we`re this close to letting that slip through our fingers.

GRAY: Well, when you start to put all the pieces of the puzzle together, you start to get the bigger picture. And I don`t know what any other conclusion you can draw.

BECK: Well, that we`re nuts.

GRAY: Well, there is that.

BECK: That could be. That could be. All right. Pat Gray from KPRC in Houston. Thanks, bud.

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BECK: They`re trying to ban internet gambling, which -- Stu, what would you do with your day?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is a traveshammockery.

BECK: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is a horrible, horrible development. I mean, don`t we have thousands of people every 10 minutes running across the border? We`re worried about me playing poker in my boxers?

BECK: You know what`s really interesting? If this passes and they ban Internet gambling, my crew will actually have to work.

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BECK: It`s true. Now, I got to tell you, I don`t understand gambling. The only time that I`ve ever gambled was about 15 years ago, maybe 20 years ago. I walk into Las Vegas. And it`s a $5 blackjack table.

And I put $5 down. I said, "Hit me." He hit me. I was over 21, and I looked at the dealer and I said, "That wasn`t $5 worth of fun." That was it.

So I don`t get gambling, and I really don`t get Internet gambling, although my radio staff really does. I mean, this is what they`re doing all day, you know, when they`re not downloading porn, which brings me to the bill passed today in the House banning it, gambling, not porn. Why do porn? Let`s go after gambling first.

This bill will make it illegal to use a credit card to pay for online bets and let authorities shut down access to gaming sites.

Ken Weitzner of EyeonGambling.com, what does this bill actually mean? Is it going to be able to do any good?

KEN WEITZNER, PRESIDENT, EOG.COM: Well, I don`t really know, because this is the seventh consecutive year in a row that they`ve tried to pass a bill to prohibit Internet gambling. But I do hear that people, like local bookmakers such as Benny the Bullet, are planning a party, a post-Fourth of July party in Grand Central Park next week to celebrate a four-fold increase that they expect in their bookmaking activities for the NFL this year.

BECK: You know, it really amazes me because I don`t -- look, I don`t know a lot about sports, and I don`t know anything about gambling, but it kills me that it`s totally cool to do porn, which is so destructive to our society and marriage, and yet they`re taking on gambling. Why wouldn`t you just tax it? I mean...

WEITZNER: I agree.

BECK: Why wouldn`t you just tax it? Because it`s not going to shut it down. You can go overseas, right? You can go offshore and run these sites.

WEITZNER: Absolutely. They haven`t figured a way to regulate it. And they haven`t learned from their past mistakes when they prohibited alcohol, and everyone still managed to get alcohol. The same thing`s going to happen in this case.

And enforcing it is another problem. Do you think they`re going to be able to go into the confines of an American home where someone`s betting $50 on the New York Jets and arrest the man? I don`t think so.

BECK: It`s not going to happen. If I bet on the All-Star Game, what happens? I mean, are they going to kick my door down and arrest me? Can anything happen to me?

WEITZNER: Well, I would take this seriously. And, if anything, if there`s anything I can convey that`s most important tonight is to ask Americans who really enjoy gambling out of the confines of their homes and online to call their senators. And if you don`t know how to call your senator, we have instructions on EOG.com to help you voice your opinion.

BECK: OK. Well, first of all, I`m going to have to charge you for that promotional announcement of your Web site. But, I mean, if you don`t know how to call your -- if you don`t know how to call your senator, man, get offline. I mean, you`re spending way too much time. If you don`t know how to call your senator, you`re not really qualified to place a bet on anything.

Now, let me go to my staff upstairs, because I said to them today -- we were talking about this, and they were really -- I mean, everybody was very upset. And I said, "Guys, you know, I don`t know anything about gambling, et cetera, et cetera."

They said, "Glenn, you could ask a million questions." So I have them upstairs on the phone. Are you guys there?

UNIDENTIFIED GROUP: Yes.

BECK: Yes, great. Who has a question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a question for Ken. Looking long-term, if the government wants to legislate inside my home, then should I cancel my prop bet on "Big Poppy" Ortiz being the first player to homer in the game tonight?

WEITZNER: No, I think that`s a very smart choice. I`d keep that wager.

BECK: I mean, this is -- wait, wait, guys. This is not a betting advice show. That`s not what this is. I clearly said that you could go ahead and, you know, ask a serious, real question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Ken, this is Kevin. Listen, I was wondering on my research that, to me, the bill looks like it`s saying you should lay down -- if I lay down an 18 suited (INAUDIBLE) inside straight...

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BECK: OK. All right. Ken...

WEITZNER: I would go ahead and bet on the National League tonight.

BECK: No betting advice on the program. Ken, I thank you very much.

Now, Stu did ask for a minute of airtime tonight. Now, he`s the executive producer of my program and an avid Internet gambler, which I thought was illegal. And he wanted a minute of airtime to be able to talk about this Internet gaming bill -- Stu?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Listen, when you`re talking about a septillion dollars, you don`t take chances by gambling. You invest. But unlike those fraudsters out there, I admit that no one`s perfect.

"STU SEPTILLION": Except for me! I`m 474-0. You heard that right. I haven`t lost a game in 12 (bleep) years. So if you want your bacon and eggs served with a side of a septillion dollars, this weekend, then toss the turtle, saw the horse, (INAUDIBLE) buy the bookie, marry the bookie, do whatever you want to the bookie, but call now.

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"STU SEPTILLION": Call now.

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BECK: Erica, we`ve stooped to this.

ERICA HILL, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: You know, a lot of good things come out of Clinton, Connecticut, huh?

BECK: Yes. Stu`s not one of them. You know, not a lot of people know this, Erica, that you and Stu and my other producer...

HILL: Dan Andros.

BECK: ... for the radio, yes, Dan Andros, went to school together.

HILL: We did. We all grew up together.

BECK: And it was kind of a hot thing, huh?

HILL: Well, well, so how about some news?

BECK: Yes, OK. All right.

HILL: Can I ask you a quick question?

BECK: Yes.

HILL: Because my dad noticed this, too, and so it -- so I notice there`s been a lot of suit-and-tie action lately.

BECK: You know, this is the first day -- what day is it? It is Tuesday or Wednesday?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tuesday.

HILL: Today`s Tuesday.

BECK: Oh, well, yesterday I didn`t wear one, but today I did. This is -- you ready for this? This is what I like to call -- take the full shot of this. This is what I like to call my -- can`t get it through the doors. There we go. This is what I like to call my Cary Grant look.

HILL: You clean up all right.

BECK: Yes, with the exception of Cary Grant`s body or face not in the suit, but this is -- anyway. So, actually, I have a job interview tonight, but...

HILL: Oh, hey, good luck. Keep me posted on that one, all right?

BECK: Give me the news. What`s happening?

HILL: OK, until then, actually an update for you on that building blast in New York on Monday, which I`m sure had a lot of people worried. Well, police are now saying today that someone tampered with the gas line leading into the building. And as you may have heard, authorities also looking into whether the building owner, Dr. Nicholas Bartha, might have been involved in the blast.

BECK: Did you read the note that he wrote on e-mail?

HILL: The e-mails, yes.

BECK: To his wife? This guy is sick. He is a Holocaust survivor. His wife is a Holocaust survivor. When they started getting a divorce, to drive her nuts, he actually posted swastikas all over the house.

A couple of hours before the blast, he writes her and says, you know, you raised a cook and a seamstress as our children. That`s not good enough. You`re going to have to take my charred body out of this rubble.

It was truly a fascinating story, if you really look into it. The guy is sick and twisted. And he`s one guy that -- you know, let me just give this advice to you -- you thought you were a loser before you did this, allegedly? If you were trying to kill yourself, I mean, there are easier ways to do it. There really are.

Erica, thanks for your time.

HILL: See you tomorrow.

BECK: Bye-bye.

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BECK: Well, with the news that came out of India today, and with the news that we had last week that people are trying to blow up our tunnels here in New York City, is there any place safe to go anymore? Here we are in the middle of the summer and vacation season. Where do you go, I mean, besides Canada? Really.

John Briley keeps track of potential travel troubles for corporate clients at iJet Intelligent Risk Systems.

Where should we not go this summer?

JOHN BRILEY, SENIOR EDITOR, IJET Hey, Glenn, I`ll tell you, that`s a very personal question. And that`s going to be dependent on your risk appetite.

BECK: OK, I mean, I won`t -- I don`t want the wife and kids kidnapped. And I don`t want to ever receive a box with their ear in it.

BRILEY: Right. Well, who does, Glenn?

BECK: Yes, OK. There`s my risk tolerance. If there`s a chance of that happening, off my vacation list.

BRILEY: Well, there`s probably three, four, maybe five places on the planet that you personally might want to avoid. They would include Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan...

BECK: Right. Oh, darn, Somalia`s off.

BRILEY: Yes, it`s great this time of year.

BECK: I hear it`s beautiful.

BRILEY: But what you`re looking at, by and large, is a world filled with threat, as you know. And you`re living in a city, New York filled with threat. I`m in a city, Washington, D.C., filled with threat. Does that keep us indoors? No, it doesn`t.

BECK: You know, I was just thinking that Moscow -- I`ve always wanted to go to Moscow, and before they shut it down and start torturing people again. You know, it might be fun next year or something to, you know, go to Moscow, you know, on that one warm day there.

BRILEY: Right.

BECK: But I just read...

BRILEY: July-something.

BECK: ... today, yes, because of India, I was reading about train bombings. I think they`ve had like four of them in the last five years. It`s not a safe place.

BRILEY: They target the trains in Moscow. They target the trains -- it seems like it`s a popular mode of transportation, looking at Madrid and looking at Mumbai today. But if you look at the numbers, Glenn, of people who are actually killed in terrorist incidents worldwide, you have a greater chance of being struck by lightning walking out of your door.

BECK: I was flying on a plane to Mexico. My wife and I were a couple of years ago going on our second honeymoon. Actually, our first honeymoon, but let`s not mince words.

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And so we`re flying on the plane, and we`re going to Mexico. And on the plane they were playing the movie with Denzel Washington. I think it was "Man on Fire." And it was the one where he`s the guy that is the bodyguard of the little kid that`s kidnapped in Mexico City. And I looked at the stewardess and I said, "This isn`t the one to play on a plane to Mexico."

BRILEY: Yes, well, Glenn, I saw "Speed" on a bus from Washington, D.C., to New York, and I kid you not, so I...

BECK: So they might want to rethink those things.

BRILEY: Everyone`s a jokester.

BECK: I mean, is Mexico really safe, or do you have to be worried?

BRILEY: You have to know in advance what you`re looking at before you go down there. There have been tourist murders in Cancun. There have been severe drug violence in Acapulco. But if you know ahead of time what you`re walking into...

BECK: Mexico City, can you go? That`s a great city.

BRILEY: You can go to Mexico City, but, again, there is a significant crime threat in Mexico City and they definitely target foreigners and tourists. And if you do your homework ahead of time -- that`s where our company comes in for our corporate clients and for leisure clients -- if you know what you`re looking at before you get into town, you stand a very good chance of avoiding the major hassles.

BECK: John, thanks a lot.

BRILEY: Thank you, Glenn.

BECK: So maybe, you know, you might decide just to stay here in the good old U.S. of A. But you`ve done Disneyland, and Dollywood, and Six Flags over Trenton, which would be -- where do you go? Actually, there`s a lot of hidden treasures just off the beaten track that are sure to provide a lifetime of memories for you and your family. Watch.

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ANNOUNCER: Looking for a vacation getaway that`s just a bit off the beaten path? Then Love Canal may be just the place for you. Located only seven miles from Niagara Falls, Love Canal has everything the Falls has to offer, minus the crowds and all that distracting scenery.

It`s a town with a rich historical past. In fact, Love Canal is considered by historians to be one of America`s first chemical waste disposal sites.

What to do during your visit to Love Canal? There are opportunities galore for walking, biking, and, well, did I say it`s only seven miles from Niagara Falls?

And nature lovers take note: With 21,000 tons of toxic waste sitting underground, Love Canal offers wonderful opportunities to see exciting new species of wildlife, like this snake or this turtle. Oh, how cute!

And as for the locals -- at least the ones who wouldn`t accept a buyout from the federal government -- they`ll tell you that this is a truly special place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve been here five years, and we wouldn`t even consider moving. We absolutely love it here. It`s like living in a park.

ANNOUNCER: A park with a giant padlocked fence. Love Canal, sister city of Chernobyl, where Superfund is super fun!

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BECK: OK. So maybe, you know, you don`t go to Love Canal. I went, actually, this weekend -- I went with my family. We were at Mount Rushmore, which is absolutely stunning.

However, we were on a plane, and just the plane travel was a nightmare, man. Everybody`s screaming and everything else. Do you remember when you used to go on vacation with your family and you drive somewhere? I can`t even imagine doing that now, especially with gas being $3 bucks a gallon.

Your, what, SUV, a big SUV, you get nine miles to the gallon. You`re talking $2,000 to cross the country. Bob Sullivan has made this trip 27 times and lived to tell about it in his book, "Cross Country."

First question, 27 times, Bob, are you nuts?

ROBERT SULLIVAN, AUTHOR, "CROSS COUNTRY": Short answer is probably yes to that one, yes.

BECK: Yes, probably. Ear plugs, I mean, what do you need, 27 times with the kids?

SULLIVAN: Well, you know, we didn`t have kids for all the 15, or 16, or 17 years we`ve been doing it. But my wife and I started dating, kind of cross-country dating, and that turned into cross-country marriage. And then, yes, cross-country family trips.

BECK: I will tell you that I love -- there`s nothing I love more than to drive across the country. This is such an amazing country to drive across. The Badlands, I mean, there`s a reason they call them the Badlands, but...

SULLIVAN: Yes, and you get to -- we played golf. I don`t play golf, but I caddy pretty good, pretty well. My son played golf in Anaconda on a toxic waste site, speaking of Love Canal, but it had been remediated. And they used the slag from mining, the black stuff that`s left over, the inner slag, they use that for the hazards. And I was just so excited because, of course, it gave new meaning to the word "hazard."

BECK: Sure, sure. Do you always stop -- when you`re driving, do you always stop and see the sights? I learned my lesson. I drove past the Grand Canyon and said, "No, I`ll come back and I`ll see it." I was moving to Arizona. "I`ll come back and I`ll see it again." Drove right by it, never have seen the Grand Canyon.

SULLIVAN: The Grand Canyon is our one -- aside from being a gaping hole in the country, it`s the gaping hole in our cross-country you know, history. And we`ve never been to the Grand Canyon. I`ve been to Mount Rushmore several times.

BECK: Wait a minute.

SULLIVAN: No, that`s true.

BECK: My notes say you`ve crossed the country 27 times.

SULLIVAN: Never been to the Grand Canyon. Yes, I think one thing that we`ve learned is...

BECK: How do you miss that?

SULLIVAN: Well, we`ve never -- we`ve always been around. We were very close yesterday. I was driving through the bottom of Arizona, but we wanted to see West Texas. And we went way down below El Paso. And then you`re trying to get to L.A. in a couple days to see your cousin and, you know, maybe drop by CNN or something, and you can`t go to the Grand Canyon. You got to say, "No, it`s 18 hours from Austin, so we can`t."

And that`s the thing: You have to pick and choose your great sights.

BECK: And 27 times, work the Grand Canyon in.

SULLIVAN: Well...

BECK: What`s the biggest change that you`ve seen? You know, I was -- like I said, I just went from Mount Rushmore this weekend. I was expecting a great "North by Northwest" moment. They tore down, you know, the old visitors center, and it`s a new one. It`s beautiful, but it`s all new.

What`s the biggest change you`ve seen in the country since you started these trips?

SULLIVAN: Well, I mean, I guess the sort of -- one of the saddest things is the sameness that America, for some reason, either wants to have or forgets that it`s having; that sameness just creeps across the country. And then the other thing is that the particulars, the localness still survives. And you can go have an amazing, you know, barbecue sandwich in Mississippi.

BECK: Yep. Bob, thank you very much. Good luck. And see the Grand Canyon, man! See it!

SULLIVAN: Thank you. I will.

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BECK: All right. Welcome to today`s hate mail where, honestly, America, you`re letting me down. The first hate mail comes from me.

"Dear audience, I expected far more hate mail when taking this job. Sure, your compliments are nice and everything, but the hate mail has only been mildly hateful at best. I demand more hate in your hate mail, forthwith! You`ve let me down. You`ve let America down. Love and kisses, Glenn Beck."

Great point, Glenn, and I mean that. I agree completely.

Now that we have that out of the way, next one comes in from Chuck in Bakersfield about the long list of products that Disney copyrighted for "The Pirates of the Caribbean" special. Here it is.

"Hey, Glenn, caught your lament regarding the copyright statements over Jack Sparrow." Gee, I hope we can use that in e-mail. "I`m going to give Disney a pass on this one, though. What you read was probably a generic list that, you know, they have to use for all of their products. And if they didn`t cover those things, some fool would make that product and try to market one of them. And then, if it made somebody sick or injured, Disney might take the heat. Man of the mouse, Chuck."

All right, Chuck. I get it. I mean, I just -- here`s the deal: I just long for the days where Disney meant magic. Do you remember that, when you were this high and you were sitting in front of the TV?

Every big company has to protect themselves. I get it. Especially when have you a product that brings in over $130 million in three days. And maybe it is just some standard legal document, but it`s sad, isn`t it?

I mean, luckily it`s funny at the same time that it`s sad. Can we bring up the list of products again? I love this. The print is so small you can barely read it. But rest assured, you cannot legally sell Jack Sparrow Drinking Yogurt, whatever that is. It`s yogurt.

Jack Sparrow Frozen Meals, if they consist primarily of meat, oh, you`re out. Apparently, you are OK selling a little Jack Sparrow Couscous. Now, maybe it`s just me, but, you know, I was looking through the list, and I thought to myself, you know what? I think of pleasant smells. I don`t really ever think of pirates that have been out at sea for months. But apparently somebody does, because you also can`t create Jack Sparrow Aromatherapy Oils or Jack Sparrow Breath Freshener.

And I don`t even know what kind of pirate we`re talking about when you get to Jack Sparrow Lipstick. Ahoy, me matey! Or Jack Sparrow Chaps? Pirates come to mind, but not -- anyway.

You can send your hate mail to GlennBeck@CNN.com. And, please, don`t skimp on the hate, America. We`re counting on you. See you tomorrow on the radio show, you sick, twisted freak.

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