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Will Israel Step Up Offensive in Southern Lebanon?

Aired July 27, 2006 - 08:00   ET

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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Will Israel step up its offensive in Southern Lebanon? The Israeli cabinet is deciding that question right now.
And a warning from al Qaeda promising that the terror group will not stay on the sidelines in this Middle East conflict.

Those stories and much more ahead on this AMERICAN MORNING.

Welcome back, everybody.

You're watching a special edition of AMERICAN MORNING.

I'm Soledad O'Brien in New York -- good morning, Miles.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, Soledad.

Miles O'Brien reporting live from a bomb shelter 20 feet below the surface in Metulla, Israel.

We just got the all clear. We'll have more from this northernmost city in Israel in just a moment -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: All right, Miles, thanks.

A new warning to tell you about this morning from Osama bin Laden's top deputy.

Ayman el-Zawahiri with a not so veiled threat, promising action by al Qaeda in response to the Israeli attacks in Lebanon and Gaza.

How seriously should we view this latest message?

Joining us this morning, CNN's senior editor for Arab affairs, Octavia Nasr, at the CNN Center in Atlanta -- hey, Octavia, good morning.

OCTAVIA NASR, SENIOR EDITOR FOR ARAB AFFAIRS: Good morning, Soledad.

It is a chilling message again from Ayman el-Zawahiri, the number two man in al Qaeda.

Experts in the Arab world already saying this is a very dangerous message, saying that he is sending an all out call for attacks everywhere. I'll give you an example, Soledad, of what he said on this tape. He said: "The whole world is an open field for us. As they attack us everywhere, we will attack them everywhere. They gang up to wage war on us. Our Islamic nation will fight them and wage war on them."

He said things such as he wants Islam to prevail everywhere, from Spain to Iraq. He called on people to support their brothers in Lebanon and Palestine.

Very interesting here, Soledad, is that Ayman el-Zawahiri does not mention Hezbollah by name or Hamas by name, although he talks about areas where they are fighting, Hamas fighting Israeli forces and Hezbollah fighting Israeli forces in Lebanon. He doesn't mention them by name because you've heard many, many experts talk about a rift, a dislike of sorts, between al Qaeda and these -- and especially Hezbollah.

But basically, here's Ayman el-Zawahiri taking advantage of the situation in Lebanon and sending out a message, calling on all his supporters, all his militants, to act at this point -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Octavia Nasr for us this morning.

Octavia, thanks for the update there.

Some breaking news right now into CNN.

We're getting word -- this coming to us from the Associated Press out of Jerusalem. Israel Radio is reporting that the cabinet, the Israeli cabinet, which we have been telling you has been meeting this morning to talk about its offensive in Southern Lebanon. They have now decided against expanding that offensive into Lebanon.

So that's the latest word there on what the Israeli cabinet is deciding to do.

Let's get right back to Miles this morning -- good morning.

M. O'BRIEN: Good morning, Soledad.

The cabinet may have decided not to expand, but the war keeps on waging. The distant sound of the 120 millimeter cannons on the Israeli side continues incessantly. We just were sent down to that shelter for a little while. Now we have the all clear.

The question is what's going on on the other side of these hills?

Up on the top of that hill, that's one of those U.N. observation posts. Beyond it somewhere, Hezbollah is firing Katusha after Katusha into northern Israel. That continues today. In excess of two dozen Katusha landings all throughout northern Israel.

Let's go to Haifa now.

Fionnuala Sweeney watching it from there -- Fionnuala. FIONNUALA SWEENEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Indeed, Miles. We had the same warning as you did just a few minutes ago and we took cover, as well, here, when the air raid sirens sounded. More than 27 rockets falling across the band of northern Israel today, but no injuries reported.

As you reported, we're hearing from the Associated Press and Israel Radio that the cabinet has decided not to expand its mission, at least on the ground.

We're going to have to go, Miles, because the air raid sirens are sounding again.

We'll get back to you in just a minute.

All right.

M. O'BRIEN: All right.

OK, Fionnuala, you get to safety.

We haven't heard anything like that yet here. So let's get -- move up the coast to Tyre, Lebanon, the focus of a harsh Israeli attack last night. It brought down a 10-story building. And renewed attacks today.

CNN's Ben Wedeman is right in the thick of it -- Ben.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Miles, we've been hearing steady thumps in the distance, to the south of Tyre, as Israeli aircraft have been flying overhead.

Earlier in the day, we saw in the distance some Israeli warships that were also pounding the coast to the south of here.

About an hour-and-a-half, we heard a large explosion coming from the center of town. Apparently, in that case, it was a rocket that went right through a window into a building. Apparently, the Israelis -- we don't know, actually, what the target was there. We've heard some reports that the building was, in some way, affiliated with the Amal Movement, which is the other Shiite militia and political party that's been active in Lebanon since the 1980s.

Meanwhile, after that hit last night on that 10-story building, which wounded at least 10 people and may have killed several others, but we don't know, because, according to the authorities, there may be bodies under that rubble. Since then, the mood here in Tyre has completely changed. Many people who had told us they're going to hold out, they're just going to wait, that they had stocked up with food and water and other supplies, have now decided it is time to leave this city, time to seek safety elsewhere in the country, in Beirut and up in the mountains.

Also, at the same time, we've been watching as little groups of people, families, in some cases, are walking toward this hotel. The general feeling here in Tyre is that with all the international media in this particular hotel, it may be the safest place to stay -- Miles.

M. O'BRIEN: Interesting. You might, in fact, turn out to be, unwittingly, a bit of a shield for them.

I'm curious why that particular building last night, Ben?

That was an attack which really stands apart.

WEDEMAN: Well, we've heard from the Israeli Army, for instance, that they believe that the commander, the southern commander for Hezbollah, Nabil Qaouk, was in that building. Hezbollah denies it completely.

We've spoken with the local municipality, who say that, to the best of their knowledge, there were only civilians in that building.

And certainly Karl Penhaul, who went right to that spot just minutes after the explosion, he said from what he could see -- and, of course, it's very difficult in the chaos that follows an air strike -- but from what he could see, there was nothing that would indicate any sort of military or strategic value to that building that was hit -- Miles.

M. O'BRIEN: Ben Wedeman reporting from Tyre, Lebanon.

Thank you very much -- back to you, Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: All right, Miles, thanks.

Another very violent day to tell you about in Iraq. At least 27 people killed, dozens more injured in a mortar barrage and car bomb attack in central Baghdad.

That's why CNN's Arwa Damon is this morning -- Arwa, good morning.

ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Soledad.

That's right, the attack happened at 10:00 in the morning. Now, this was a central Baghdad neighborhood. It is a commercial and residential area, considered on the Baghdad or Iraq scale of violence to be relatively safe. That now has been shattered after a car bomb, followed by mortars and Katusha rockets all slammed into this area.

Now, the area is both -- is mixed. It's both Sunni and Shia. However, the area that the attack was focused on is a predominantly Shia area and is home to some of the homes, as well as office buildings, that are part of Iraq's largest Shia political party, the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution In Iraq.

However, like many attacks that happen in this country, the specific target of the attack is unknown. It could have been an attack against those buildings, against those individuals, against the political party itself. It could have been intended just to cause more chaos throughout the streets. What it has caused is extreme devastation to that area. Not only has it taken a civilian toll -- at least 27 killed, over 100 wounded -- but it is also dealing a severe blow to the economy. This was an area that normally would be bustling with shoppers. There are lots of shops in that area. And, like I said, because it is one of the relatively safer neighborhoods, it is an area that people would go to to get about their daily day shopping and business.

Now, this all does come as the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri Al- Maliki, is wrapping up his meetings in the United States. And topping his agenda is the security plan. In fact, images that we saw broadcast from the scene on state television, Al-Iraqiya, had residents there specifically saying -- angry residents on the ground living in the aftermath of this attack saying where is that security plan?

We do now know that the U.S. and the governments plan on sending more troops to the capital, both American and Iraqi. However, whether or not that will solve the security problem here remains unclear. And until then, we can only expect the death toll here in Iraq to continue to rise -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Arwa Damon for us in Baghdad.

Arwa, thanks.

An update now on that quake in Indonesia. That earthquake, magnitude 6.0, according to the U.S. Geological Survey, hit offshore of the Indonesian island of Sumatra. It appears that the quake is too small to trigger a tsunami. That's coming from a senior Indonesian seismologist.

You'll recall back in July, the 17th, there was a 7.7 magnitude earthquake and that triggered a major tsunami. And many of them deaths, in fact, in that tsunami, 500 people were killed. Many were killed by the tsunami. And, of course, back in 2004, we had that massive tsunami in the Indian Ocean, the same region, that killed more than 200,000 people in 12 countries -- Chad, this is clearly an area that has a lot of earthquake activity.

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes.

S. O'BRIEN: But even given that, this seems like a lot.

MYERS: You know, it's -- there's a fault line right through there. And here's our Google Earth. And we're going to zoom in to where that fault was.

There's the -- the red dot is where the earthquake was just now, the 6.0. The 9.1 was actually just a little bit farther to the north, Banda Aceh, right there. You've heard so much about that town. And then that's where the other earthquake was.

But if you can use your imagination, I think you can see it. You can see this area of depth. And it's a folding area where part of the Earth goes down. One of the plates goes down and the other plate rolls on top of it. And so it's kind of a subduction zone. And that's what shakes. And it's going to continue to shake. And a little magnitude of one right there, a little bit to the east of that one, a couple of days ago, but that one was only about a 4.2.

And, yes, it's an area that just really, just shakes all the time.

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S. O'BRIEN: Coming up this morning, still no cease-fire in the Middle East. We'll take a look at how that could be part of the president's plan for spreading democracy there.

Also, Hezbollah firing hundreds of rockets into Israel since the fighting began.

Just how much damage can those rockets do?

We'll take a closer look.

And then later, the mission by U.S. Marines to evacuate Americans out of Lebanon. We'll look at why it's forced some retired Marines to relive a pretty horrific image.

You're watching a special edition of AMERICAN MORNING.

We're back in just a moment.

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M. O'BRIEN: Welcome back, live from Metulla, Israel, the northernmost point in this country.

You can hear the 120 millimeter cannons on those Israeli main battle tanks firing off into the hills in the distance.

That's all Lebanon. There's a fence there in the foreground. That's the border. Off into the distance there are some of the main activities where the Hezbollah fighters are firing off those Katusha rockets and where there's heavy activity on the ground.

What that has meant for Metulla, a place that should be packed with tourists about now, is the streets are very empty here. There's the bank. It's closed. It's shuttered. Just an hour or so ago, the company that runs that bank sent in a mobile ATM, just so people could get some cash.

Not many people are here...

I'm sorry?

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M. O'BRIEN: OK. OK. All right, I'm trying to look off in the distance to see if there is an strikes to show you. I'm hearing -- right on the top there. Helen, can you get that shot? Can you see the smoke coming off the edge of that hill there?

I don't know if you can see it. Right up there. You can see the cloud rising as they continue this barrage into Southern Lebanon.

There are tanks and artillery fortified all throughout here. You can hear the big boom of that 120 millimeter cannon. Yu can't mistake that. And I believe what we're seeing is the end result of some of that firing there. Difficult to see in the haze, but that's what we're talking about now.

All of this, as you can imagine, has made for a very jittery Metulla.

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M. O'BRIEN (voice-over): Silka Shriber (ph) is the bearer of bad news here on the nearly empty streets of Metulla.

SILKA SHRIBER (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The people, most of them left because they have little children and families. But people who don't have, like older people, stayed.

M. O'BRIEN: Customers are scarce. And for the Israeli soldiers, no charge.

(on camera): Free newspapers for them? Free?

SHRIBER (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes.

M. O'BRIEN (voice-over): She has lived here 42 years, says she's not afraid, been down this road before, too many times.

(on camera): Well, you know, they always go after the postman. Maybe they don't go after a newspaperwoman, right?

(voice-over): Even the big guns don't make her flinch.

SHRIBER (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): It's not about being brave. It's just about being -- doing my job properly, and that's the -- nothing has changed. If something (UNINTELLIGIBLE), I just go to the shelters and that's it.

M. O'BRIEN: This is a tourist and farming town, the fertile soil bearing some delicious fruit -- apples, nectarines and pears.

(on camera): And when we went into the packing plant and asked if we could talk to them, the security manager for the entire Metulla area was there. And he got very nervous. He did not want us there. So we are leaving now. And our only consolation prize is a nectarine.

(voice-over): The fruit packing plant sits right on the border.

(on camera): Look off into the distance right over there. That's all in Lebanon there. As a matter of fact, last year, when our translator, Shira (ph), was here, she looked off into the distance and all she saw were -- they're yellow, right? SHIRA: Right. Yes.

M. O'BRIEN: Yellow flags of Hezbollah. We don't see any flags of Hezbollah today, for obvious reasons. That would be like waving a red cape in front of a bull or something. So they're not flying the Hezbollah flags.

But this gives you a sense of how close Metulla is tucked in beside the border with Lebanon. That's Lebanon there. Over here, this is Metulla. And here in Metulla, they may be used to war time and time again, but it still makes them rather weary, rather angry and a little bit scared.

(voice-over): Nearly everyone is gone, aside from the farmers, the soldiers, the dogs and TV crews. And this is their high season.

Sam Elkadive (ph) owns the only grocery store in town.

(on camera): Did you want to shut down? did you think about that?

SAM ELKADIVE: Of course I wanted, but I'm not allowed.

M. O'BRIEN: Why not?

ELKADIVE: Because I'm the only grocery in Metulla.

M. O'BRIEN: Oh, I see.

ELKADIVE: So I should stay here.

M. O'BRIEN: Yes.

ELKADIVE: I must. They would not shoot (ph). This is life.

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M. O'BRIEN: For now, the guns are silent here, Soledad. That artillery barrage is quieting.

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M. O'BRIEN: Oh, as if on cue, it continues.

We're watching it here. We'll watch to see the dust clouds over across the horizon. Clearly, no sign, well into the two week point now, beyond the two week point, of this battle slowing down -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Well, you know, Miles, we hear how notoriously inaccurate the Hezbollah is. And we've obviously seen some big mistakes, as well, in positioning on the Israeli military front.

Why is everybody -- yourself and the crew included -- not so nervous about being so close to that border? M. O'BRIEN: Well, here's what they've told me here. Not a single Katusha has landed in this town. We are encircled by Hezbollah here. These -- those houses off in the distance, even closer, off to the side here and off to the side here, it's all Lebanon. It is a narrow little spit. This is like the very tip of a fingernail here.

And so trying to lob something in here is fraught with peril. These Katushas can barely hit the broad side of a barn. And so the presumption is -- and we're just guessing, but this is what people are saying, this is what the soldiers tell us here -- that they have not targeted this very little sliver of land because they're afraid of a misfire -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: All right, Miles, thanks.

We should update everybody. We're getting word that the rocket attacks in Kirchmona (ph) this morning, as well.

We'll update you as we continue to talk about this crisis in the Middle East.

The bigger picture, though, now.

Just how is the administration's strategy in the Middle East going to affect President Bush's larger foreign policy goals, not only in Iraq, but around the world?

David Sanger is the White House correspondent for the "New York Times."

He joins us this morning.

David, nice to see you.

Thanks for talking with us.

DAVID SANGER, "THE NEW YORK TIMES": Good to see you, Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: The president really laid it out, I thought, after 9/11, when he first addressed Congress. He kind of laid out what things would look like post-9/11. And it was basically black and white.

Here's what he said.

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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Every nation in every region now has a decision to make -- either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.

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S. O'BRIEN: How much of that doctrine, if you will, is what we're seeing play out today? SANGER: Well, I think there's a good bit of that, Soledad. If you think that the first term was all about the Bush Doctrine and what you just saw, the second term has been about dealing with some of its unintended after-effects.

You've seen this happen, as the president first had to deal with countries that may play a little bit on both sides of the line. Pakistan is a good example, a country that hunts down terrorists, but at times has been known also to harbor terrorists and obviously a good deal of nuclear problems along the way.

In the case of Israel, the Israeli government has very deftly picked up on the Bush Doctrine and basically made the argument, look, we're doing what you did in Afghanistan. We're not going to be satisfied until we have routed Hezbollah out of this area and if the government of Lebanon can't handle it, we'll go in and secure a zone that will make that possible.

And it's a very difficult thing for members of the administration to argue back about. And I think that's part of the reason that you've seen Secretary Rice so hesitant about reaching a cease-fire that she doesn't think will hold.

S. O'BRIEN: The U.S. clearly has long been an ally of Israel.

But is it new that we're seeing such blatant support, not only the comments of Secretary Rice and others in the administration, too, and then also tacit support of what they're doing in the fact that there's no cease-fire?

So, clearly, the bombing continues.

SANGER: I think that the support for Israel is not -- is not new. But I think that what is new here, Soledad, is that this whole event is playing out in the larger context of what the president calls the global war on terrorism. And in some ways, that may make it harder to solve.

Some of the people we've been talking to have said, you know, if, in fact, you were dealing with this as one of the continuing periodic episodes between Hezbollah and Israel, then it could be contained as a regional event. But, in fact, now it is seen as another front -- just as Somalia has been a front in recent times and Afghanistan has been a front in recent times, and, of course, Iraq.

And so in this case, it becomes more like the structures of the cold war, where every little uprising was, in fact, considered to be part of the global struggle, whether it was or not.

S. O'BRIEN: It seems that things get complicated by, as you point out, I think, sometimes, the contradictory -- the contradictions in facts and in statements, too.

For example, we were talking yesterday to Senator Frist about Al- Maliki coming to talk to -- on Capitol Hill. A lot of controversy there, obviously, because he's had support for Hezbollah, clearly, in the past. And this is what he said to us.

Listen.

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SEN. BILL FRIST (R-TN), SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: He is our ally in the war on terror, as it's being fought out in Iraq. And we need to continue to support him and support him aggressively.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

S. O'BRIEN: He's our ally, we continue to support him. Well, he supports Hezbollah. We, being the U.S. thinks Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. The black and white doctrine is actually, you know, surrounded by big fields of gray, isn't it?

SANGER: It is. And the problem here, Soledad, is that every country defines its group of terrorists differently. So Prime Minister Maliki is with us on al Qaeda, which he sees as a threat to his own country, and we may see as a broader regional threat.

But Hezbollah, of course, has always been more of a nationalist kind of an organization. It came up out of the Israeli occupation and past -- past conflicts in Lebanon. And, as a result, he doesn't view that as part of the global terror groups.

President Bush has always painted with very broad strokes. And so he has frequently not differentiated between different types of terror groups, because that becomes difficult to do and gets you into some moral hazard.

And you've seen the Chinese, the Russians, others, at various moments, pick up on this and say we're just fighting terror, just as you are, Mr. President, when, of course, it's not always that simple.

S. O'BRIEN: As the president has pushed for democracy, especially in the Middle East, but around the globe, we've seen Hezbollah gain several seats in the parliament. We've seen Hamas win an election.

Is this strategy backfiring, essentially?

SANGER: Well, you know, when I ask this question to members of the administration, they say look, the democratization movement is a multi-generational effort. You know, it's going to take 30, 40, 50 years. And they point to, you know, Eastern Europe. They point to other places -- South Korea, places where you frequently saw authoritarian governments and then the move to democratically elected governments has been a fairly slow one.

In this case, though, we have moved to elections, frequently, before the institutions have been built that give people confidence that a democratically elected system can help them flourish economically and socially. And so you end up with some strange results. And Hamas' election, of course, in the Palestinian Territories, is the first example of where the administration had to urge elections and then decide not to deal with the elected government.

S. O'BRIEN: David Sanger with the "New York Times."

Nice to see you, as always, David.

Thanks.

SANGER: Good to see you, Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Thank you.

Ahead this morning, Hezbollah's weapon of choice, the Katusha rocket. Well, hundreds of them have been launched.

But does Hezbollah have even more powerful weapons in its arsenal?

We check in with a military expert just ahead on our special edition of AMERICAN MORNING.

A short break.

We're back in a moment.

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S. O'BRIEN: Keeping your vascular and circulatory system healthy might be the best way to fight heart disease. But that's harder to do, obviously, as we age.

This morning in our health series for people in their 30s and their 40s and their 50s, how to keep those arteries strong as we grow older.

Let's get right to Elizabeth Cohen.

She's at the CNN Center -- good morning to you.

How do you keep your arteries strong?

I mean, you know...

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's very simple, actually.

S. O'BRIEN: Really?

COHEN: Exercise and the right diet. And people really need to remember this, because heart disease is the number one killer in the United States. Stroke is right up there at number three. And that's why doctors say to keep your circulatory system, you need to start at a young age.

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COHEN (voice-over): Sintanya Summerville (ph) is a tough lady to catch. She's a recreational director who is always on the move. SINTANYA SUMMERVILLE: So I was used to moving. I slowed down a little when I became a mom.

COHEN: But as she's gotten older, she's seen changes in her health. Now 47, she takes medication for hypertension.

As we get older, our circulatory system begins to build up plaque on the inside of the artery walls. Those arteries begin to narrow, which can cause high blood pressure, hardening of the arteries and other problems. Any of these conditions can lead to a heart attack, stroke or even death.

Genetics, bad diet, smoking and obesity serve only to speed up the process.

In your 30s, staying fit is key. The American Heart Association says exercise, don't smoke and tell your doctor if you have a family history of heart disease.

Also, know your personal heart health numbers -- blood pressure, cholesterol and weight.

DR. PATRICIA DAVIDSON, WASHINGTON HOSPITAL CENTER: So when you're 30, that's when all of these things begin to deteriorate because your metabolic rate begins to decline, your weight starts going up, your blood pressure starts going up. Your arteries now have been stiffened.

COHEN: In your 40s, you have to be even more vigilant about diet and exercise.

DAVIDSON: It's very critical that you begin to exercise if you're not already. That you need to do. And try to do it at least five to seven times a week.

COHEN: In your 50s, exercise is just as important. You should also keep tabs on the way your body is changing. You may be a condition for something called The Metabolic Syndrome, a combination of high cholesterol, blood pressure and glucose, along with excess weight concentrated in the abdomen.

DR. GEORGE RUIZ, CARDIOLOGIST: This is something that we should aggressively go after because folks that have The Metabolic Syndrome, it's clear, are at increased risk for having bad cardiovascular outcomes.

COHEN: And that could be alleviated with diet, exercise and certain medications.

In order to curb her hypertension, Sintanya has given up burgers, which she loves, and added more fruits and vegetables to her diet. She's exercising more and hopes her high blood pressure can be kept in check.

(END VIDEO TAPE) COHEN: Now, if you have been a couch potato all these years and want to get started, the Centers for Disease Control recommends doing just physical activity for just a few minutes a day. Your goal? Work your way up to 30 minutes, at least, of moderate physical activity, five or more days a week, or, at least 20 minutes of really vigorous physical activity at least three days a week -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: All right, we always strive for that, Elizabeth.

COHEN: Thanks.

S. O'BRIEN: Some of us fall short each and every day.

Thank you.

COHEN: Thanks.

S. O'BRIEN: Still to come this morning, our continuing coverage of the Middle East conflict -- a lesson in Rockets 101. A military expert explains exactly how much damage Hezbollah rockets can do.

That's ahead on this special edition of AMERICAN MORNING.

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