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Nancy Grace
New O.J. Simpson Video and Audio Released
Aired August 07, 2006 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight: Over 10 years later O.J. Simpson back in the headlines, hours of just released video on the man many say cheated Lady Justice in the murders of his wife, Nicole Brown, and friend, Ron Goldman. See for yourself what Simpson has done or not done with his life since the murders, Simpson living like a king and not paying a nickel toward the multi-million-dollar judgment against him.
What has become of Simpson`s home, Nicole`s home, the so-called "dream team," and the prosecutors who managed to lose the so-called trial of the century? Simpson landing back in court one, two, three times since being acquitted. Those answers and that brand-new video tonight.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
O.J. SIMPSON: I love my life. Isn`t life wonderful? Thank you, Jesus!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Candid video of O.J. Simpson living like a king, while the families of his dead wife, Nicole Brown, her friend, Ron Goldman, still wait for one red cent to be sent to them in the multi-million-dollar civil judgment against him. Yes, life is good. Take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SIMPSON: I love my life. Isn`t life wonderful? Thank you, Jesus!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You ever sniff coke?
SIMPSON: In my life?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
SIMPSON: I refuse to answer that question. In recent years? No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But in your life. If you refuse, that means yes.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a come-clean show.
SIMPSON: Let me tell you, when I retired from football, I went and did what everybody was doing.
No bus wants to pick up O.J. He`s, like...
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: O.J.`s new lowest low.
(LAUGHTER)
He`s at a bus stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I filmed this because this is sort of weird.
SIMPSON: Then when they catch people doing it, they don`t do nothing to them. When they catch people lying, they don`t -- like, they caught Fuhrman lying. When the tape came out, everybody talked, Oh, he said (DELETED). Who cares if he said (DELETED).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Out to our reporter, investigative reporter Jane Velez- Mitchell. Jane, why the tapes? Why now? And what are we seeing about what Simpson has done or not done with his life since his wife was practically beheaded in the front yard?
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: It`s so inappropriate, Nancy, it almost defies description. Just when you thought that things couldn`t get any stranger or creepier with O.J. Simpson, along comes this new Web site, Judgeoj.com. As you`ve been saying, there it is, right there on the videotape, totally inappropriate behavior. The producers say they have accumulated 80 -- eight-zero -- hours of exclusive video of O.J. Simpson that they`ve gotten over four years of him gallivanting across 20 cities in the United States, basically being wildly inappropriate the whole time, shocking, pathetic video.
They say they`re going to release more and more of these clips as time goes on. Right now, they only have about four sample clips up on their site, and they range from pathetic to shocking, as you`ve been seeing, O.J. Simpson, pathetically sitting, waiting for a bus at the curb, how low can he go.
But the most shocking of course, the triple lap dance, three women giving O.J. Simpson a lap dance simultaneously. And what really struck me is he sits there with a cigar saying, "Thank you, Jesus, is that one of these women from the side looks very much like Nicole, his dead ex-wife. She`s beautiful, great figure, long blond hair. You can`t see her face, but you get the general idea. And it`s really so inappropriate that it really almost boggles the mind.
But this isn`t the first time. This is a pattern with O.J. Simpson. He recently did something called "Juice," which was a DVD, where he pretended to be a used car salesman trying to sell a Ford Bronco, which, of course, was the vehicle used in his infamous slow-speed chase. He also signed autographs at a horror convention where there were fake severed limbs just a couple of feet away. So this man absolutely knows no bounds.
GRACE: Let`s go out to the producer of the Judgeoj tapes. Joining us tonight, special guest Norman Pardo. Mr. Pardo, thank you for being with us.
NORMAN PARDO, PRODUCER OF NEW O.J. SIMPSON TAPES: Well, it`s nice to have me on your show.
GRACE: I`ve been looking at your tapes, and I certainly do not blame you for Simpson`s actions. A couple of questions. What gave you the idea to follow O.J. Simpson around and videotape him?
PARDO: I was just curious -- a lot of curiosity...
GRACE: I can`t fault you for that.
PARDO: ... what the people`s reaction was to him and his reaction to the people, and if somebody said something to him, what would his reaction be to that.
GRACE: And what did you learn? What does he say to people that come up to him and approach him?
PARDO: Well, it`s just -- with this much footage, it`s different every time. I can`t really say one thing he says to anybody.
GRACE: Mr. Pardo is with us, the producer of the Judgeoj tapes. Question. It`s my understanding that he believed that these videotapes would somehow help rehabilitate his public image?
PARDO: No, I don`t think so, because he wanted the tapes. I think he really thought they might hurt his image a little bit.
GRACE: Is he making money off this?
PARDO: No.
GRACE: Are you making money off it?
PARDO: No, they`re free right now to the public. You can go on line and download them.
GRACE: Do you plan to write a book?
PARDO: Yes.
GRACE: Who`s your publisher?
PARDO: That we haven`t -- we haven`t locked down yet. I`ve got a ghost writer who started, who`s already started writing -- because every chapter on this O.J. saga, from, you know, getting him different shows to the clubs being threatened to the owners being threatened to...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait! What club owners are threatened?
PARDO: A lot of the clubs I put him in, the owners got threatening phone calls -- death threats, basically.
GRACE: For having him in the club?
PARDO: Yes.
GRACE: Did any club owners ask him to leave?
PARDO: No. We went through this anyway, no matter what. It was hard to get him booked. You got to understand, it`s hard to book somebody who comes out -- you know, you`re trying to get him a show somewhere and say, Would you just have O.J. just host it, or whatever, and a tabloid article comes out, you know, Girlfriend missing, Cat found dead.
GRACE: Question. What do you mean, trying to get him a show?
PARDO: Well, in order for me to film it, I had to get him out there to get him filmed. So I had to get him something to do. You can`t just film somebody roaming around the street doing nothing. So I would try to find something like -- club owners I knew, I would call them and say, Hey, do me a favor and just have him go in and host the club, and let`s see what would -- you know, what would happen.
GRACE: Did any club owner take you up on that?
PARDO: Oh, yes. We were in almost 30 cities.
GRACE: So clubs in 30 cities allowed O.J. Simpson to come in and host.
PARDO: Oh, big companies let O.J. host!
GRACE: Like who?
PARDO: Oh, I don`t even know if I want to tell that on this air.
GRACE: Well, why? If they want to let him host, then they must not be ashamed of it.
PARDO: Well, I think you`d get a lot of anger.
GRACE: Well, I mean, if he did it, don`t you assume there`s going to be anger?
PARDO: Well, did you look at the records on who the first show was that he hosted?
GRACE: No.
PARDO: Well, you should have figured that one out.
GRACE: Well, tell me. I mean, it`s your work. Are you ashamed of it?
PARDO: It was 105.5, Clear Channel radio.
GRACE: Question. You`re not ashamed of your work, are you?
PARDO: No! My work was easy. I was just -- I was putting him in places and filming it.
GRACE: OK. Now, why isn`t he working? If can he go out and do this, why can`t he land a job?
PARDO: Maybe -- maybe I`m a super-promoter. I don`t know. I can`t answer that question.
(LAUGHTER)
GRACE: If you were filming -- with us tonight, Norman Pardo, the producer of the new O.J. tapes, Judgeoj.com. During all the time that you spent with him, does he ever talk about missing his wife or wanting to bring the real killer to justice?
PARDO: Actually, quite a bit, believe it or not.
GRACE: Well, in these first tapes that you`ve released, he never mentions her name.
PARDO: Well, those first tapes are just clips. Those are only four minutes. There`s 79 hours and 56 minutes left.
GRACE: Let`s take a listen...
PARDO: That`s behind the scenes, where he`s riding in cars and he`s talking personal stuff, the stuff you don`t -- you know, you would never imagine -- you know, I kept the camera running all while we were driving. If we spent three days in a tour bus, I would keep the camera running for, you know, hours while he`s...
GRACE: So if he`s...
PARDO: ... sitting there talking, watching television.
GRACE: ... not getting paid for this, Mr. Pardo, what`s in it for him?
PARDO: He needed to -- he got back out. You know, that...
GRACE: So it was...
PARDO: We both benefited...
GRACE: ... his public image.
PARDO: ... on that. He got out, and I got film footage.
GRACE: Why does he want to get out? Get out where? Why does he want to be in the public eye?
PARDO: Well, O.J. was a superstar.
GRACE: Yes?
PARDO: In his eyes, that`s what he still thinks he is.
GRACE: He still thinks he`s a superstar.
OK, Rosie, could you rewind that video and let`s take another look -- as you know by now, on the Internet. With sound, Rosie.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SIMPSON: I love my life. Isn`t life wonderful? Thank you, Jesus!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You ever sniff coke?
SIMPSON: In my life?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
SIMPSON: I refuse to answer that question. In recent years? No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But in your life. If you refuse, that means yes.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a come-clean show.
SIMPSON: Let me tell you, when I retired from football, I went and did what everybody was doing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No bus wants to pick up O.J. He`s, like...
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: O.J.`s new lowest low!
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s at a bus stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I filmed this because this is sort of weird.
SIMPSON: I love my life. Isn`t life wonderful? Thank you, Jesus!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And Rosie, if you could pull up those full screens of his additional tapes, as well?
Tonight, if you don`t already know, Orenthal James Simpson, 10 years after the verdict that made him a free man, back in the public eye by his own doing. Here we go.
Simpson: Winfrey seemed to give the other side a lot of time. The deejay -- I`m not even saying that. Keep going, Rosie. In the end -- Simpson culminates that interview by saying, Oprah Winfrey is not a truthful person. If I read the tabloids and listen, I`d be in the nuthouse and ready to jump somebody. The deejay, What? Hurt somebody. If I read the tabloids and listened to talk radio, I`d be ready to hurt somebody.
OK, let me go to O.J. Simpson`s lawyer, Yale Galanter, his long-time lawyer. Thank you for being with us, Yale. Yale joining us tonight out of Aspen, Colorado. Yale, is Simpson making money off these videos?
YALE GALANTER, ATTORNEY FOR O.J. SIMPSON: No, he`s not, Nancy.
GRACE: Then what`s the point of doing the videos?
GALANTER: Well, the videos -- first of all, all the film footage was shot four or five years ago. It was shot during a four-year period. None of what Mr. Pardo is releasing on the Web site is new news.
GRACE: Right.
GALANTER: I mean, a lot of the footage is O.J. Simpson giving television interviews, O.J. Simpson giving radio interviews, O.J. Simpson in an airport, at a bus station. All of O.J.`s activities were reported by local news media in the various cities that he visited. And you know what? Norm really is a super-promoter because he got O.J. to do personal appearances...
GRACE: My question was...
GALANTER: ... in 30 cities or so. But it`s all old news. I mean, you know...
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Could you just answer why? Why is he agreeing to be videoed? What`s the purpose of the video?
GALANTER: The original reason that he agreed to be videoed four years ago was because at the time he was doing these personal appearances at hip- hop concerts, Nancy, was that people like you and other people in the media were saying that the public reacted negatively to him, and the truth is that it`s completely the opposite. If you look at this 80 hours of video, you will see O.J. Simpson in various cities, being received extremely well by the public and the media. And that`s why O.J. agreed to shoot the footage, and for no other reason.
GRACE: OK, so my earlier question to Norman Pardo was, Is this video campaign to help rehabilitate him in the public`s eye, to help his image? Pardo says no. Are you saying yes?
GALANTER: Well, I have no idea what Mr. Pardo`s motives are. I assume Mr. Pardo`s motives are to make money because he`s got the film and there`s nothing else he could do with it, so he`s created this Web site. And at some point, there`ll either be a fee or a book or somehow or another, Mr. Pardo will end up making money. We have no financial interest in the film. We have no contractual relationship with Mr. Pardo, nor did we authorize the film being used on the Web site.
GRACE: Well, if it`s to help his image, I want to remind you -- I`m sure you haven`t forgotten -- Yale joining us tonight, Yale Galanter, the attorney for O.J. Simpson -- the last time a superstar decided to do a documentary to help rehabilitate his image, it was Michael Jackson and the Bashir documentary. And I guess you recall what became of that.
GALANTER: Nancy, the thought of him doing it to rehabilitate his image -- those are your words. That`s not what O.J.`s motive was.
GRACE: OK, tell me again. What was his motive?
(CROSSTALK)
GALANTER: ... because various media outlets, when he was doing this hip-hop tour, were reporting that he was being negatively received. And it was...
GRACE: And so this is so he...
GALANTER: ... quite the opposite. A lot of the shows...
GRACE: ... will be positively received.
GALANTER: Nancy, you got to let me finish. A lot of the shows were sell-outs. It was wonderful.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: There are many, many people across the country that believe O.J. Simpson got away with double murder and has yet to pay a cent of the $33 million judgment leveled against him by a civil court. Well, we know now he`s not out looking for the "real killer" or trying to pay that civil judgment. Instead, he`s making a video that he hopes will rehabilitate his image.
Now, I don`t know how talking about having sex, doing cocaine and now getting lap dances with look-alikes of his ex-wife are going to help achieve that, but take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SIMPSON: I love my life. Isn`t life wonderful? Thank you, Jesus!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You ever sniff coke?
SIMPSON: In my life?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
SIMPSON: I refuse to answer that question. In recent years? No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But in your life. If you refuse, that means yes.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a come-clean show.
SIMPSON: Let me tell you, when I retired from football, I went and did what everybody was doing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No bus wants to pick up O.J. He`s, like...
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: O.J.`s new lowest low!
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s at a bus stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I filmed this because this is sort of weird.
SIMPSON: Then when they catch people doing it, they don`t do nothing to them. When they catch people lying, they don`t -- like they caught Fuhrman lying. When the tape came out, everybody talked, Oh, he said (DELETED). Who cares if he said (DELETED).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Talking about using cocaine, no, Mr. Simpson, not everybody`s doing it.
Let`s go to the lines, Rosie. Let`s go to Patricia in West Virginia. Hi, Patricia.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, Nancy.
GRACE: What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I know he did not get paid for the videos, but did O.J. get paid for his public appearances?
GRACE: Good question. What about it, Norman Pardo? Did he get paid for his public appearances?
PARDO: Expense money.
GRACE: Expense money.
PARDO: We did -- they did cover the expenses to get us to the locations.
GRACE: To Jane Velez-Mitchell, investigative reporter. Jane, isn`t it true that Simpson goes all over the country and does memorabilia signings?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. He did one in Northridge not too long ago. This was a very ghoulish horror convention, where people said there were severed legs and severed heads -- of course, papier-mache or whatever -- right nearby. And what`s advantageous about that is that you can get cold, hard cash when you do an autograph signing. Somebody`s going to give you a couple of bucks, five bucks or whatever, for you signing your 8-by-10 headshot, or signing a helmet, you might get a little bit more money and...
GRACE: You know what? That leads me to a question. Thank you, Jane. To Yale Galanter, who is Simpson`s lawyer. What does he do with all that money he pockets at these memorabilia signings?
GALANTER: Well, first of all, you know, Jane is right that O.J. does get paid for those appearances. Everything`s done by contract. Money`s transferred, and checks...
GRACE: Yes, what does he do with the money?
GALANTER: All the money -- all the money -- all the money goes -- he uses it to support himself and his family.
GRACE: Well, wait a minute.
GALANTER: He`s raising two kids, he`s...
GRACE: What about that $33 million judgment?
GALANTER: Hold on, Nancy. You asked a question. You got to let me finish the question.
GRACE: Yes, if you would.
GALANTER: What he does with the money is he supports himself, pays his mortgage, just like most Americans does. He`s putting his two teenage children through college on his own, and he`s supporting them. I mean, he`s got the right to work. He`s got the right to support himself. And he`s got the right to take care of his children, and that`s...
GRACE: To Alan Ripka...
GALANTER: ... exactly what he`s doing.
GRACE: ... defense attorney. Doesn`t that money rightfully go first to the crime victims? I mean, he`s got about a $300,000-a-year football pension. Rosie, if you have that full screen about what Simpson`s pulling down -- $300,000 a year, about $25,000 a month. That money rightfully, under the law, goes the victims` families, Alan.
ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, what happens is, obviously, each law -- each state has different laws. And first of all, the court`s got to enforce the judgment against him, but they`re going to give him money for expenses for him to survive and him to take care of his family. After that, any extra that they determine should be turned over will be seized and turned over.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: O.J. Simpson is no stranger to making bags full of money, but whatever happened to that civil verdict? Before we go out to Kato Kaelin, joining us tonight, his former house guest, home the night of the murders, let`s go out to the sister of the victim. Joining us right now, Kimberly Goldman. This is Ron Goldman`s sister. Kimberly, thank you for being with us.
KIMBERLY GOLDMAN, RON GOLDMAN`S SISTER: Thank you, Nancy.
GRACE: Kimberly, has O.J. Simpson ever once in these 10-plus years written your family a check?
GOLDMAN: No. Absolutely not. And he`s vowed that he`ll never do that, so...
GRACE: OK. Good to know. Maybe his lawyer`s listening to that. Yale Galanter is with us. Kimberly, question. The little bit of money you guys got on that $33 million civil verdict was from selling off some of the possessions the sheriff seized?
GOLDMAN: Right. Yes. I`m not even sure if that was part of the $33.5 million. Right after the civil verdict, some of his items were seized from his home and they were auctioned off, and all that money was split between the Brown family, our family, the attorneys, the sheriff`s department, Sotheby`s, who did the auction. So I don`t even remember it being a substantial amount. And you know, I guess all the money he`s making right now is to pay all those tips for his lap dances.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You ever sniff coke?
SIMPSON: In my life?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
SIMPSON: I refuse to answer that question. In recent years no.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But in your life, if you refuse, that means yes.
SIMPSON: Take it the way you to take it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the come clean show.
SIMPSON: Let me tell you, when I retired from Football, I went a did what everybody was doing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No bus wants to pick up O.J. He`s like king of the curb. This is O.J.`s new lowest low. He`s at a bus stop.
SIMPSON: When you catch people doing it, they don`t do nothing to them. When they catch people lying, what you call Fuhrman lying, when that tape came out and everybody talking oh you said "N****r". Who cares if he said "(r)MDNM_N(r)MDNM_****r."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And that`s not all. Simpson goes on to say, Winfrey seemed to give the other side, the prosecution, a lot of time. The DJ then calls Winfrey nasty names and Simpson says, Oprah Winfrey`s not a truthful person. Okay, there you go. Simpson calling Winfrey untruthful.
Then when being asked about getting dates, I can take to you the trough but I can`t put the, nasty word, on top of you and then if I were to listen to all the tabloids and radio, I`d be ready to jump somebody, hurt somebody. and do what? Hurt somebody. It`s really interesting the way Simpson chooses to go off on Oprah Winfrey. What about it, Clark Goban? Let`s do a little face-off between O.J. Simpson and Oprah Winfrey.
CLARK GOBAN, CNN HEADLINE NEWS CORRESPONDENT: It calls for a face-off when you have two stars of this caliber, there`s the bell.
Oprah Winfrey`s first show airs on syndicated television. O.J. Simpson stole satellite TV. One win for Oprah.
Oprah Winfrey, she gives away free cars. We all remember that episode. O.J. Simpson, well, he led cops on that Bronco chase. Who could forget that? Another win for Oprah Winfrey.
She starred in the movie "The Color Purple." O.J. Simpson, well, he allegedly starred in porn. He denies it.
O.J. Simpson raises money for charity.
GRACE: Oprah Winfrey raises money for charity.
GOBAN: She certainly does raise and a ton of money Nancy.
O.J. Simpson, well we saw it right there, $100, every one of the pen strokes for his own wallet. O.J., pardon me, Oprah saves African families. A jury said that O.J. wiped out his own family in that civil trial, Nancy.
Oprah Winfrey champions battered women and Nancy we have some evidence that would suggest that Simpson batters women.
GRACE: And of course, the woman we`re talking about is Nicole Brown Simpson. No one will ever forget this photo on a giant screen on a courtroom where Simpson was tried for double murder. Joining us tonight, everybody`s favorite, Nicole Brown, favorite house guest, Kato Kaelin joining us. Hello Mr. Kaelin, thank you for being with us.
KATO KAELIN, HOST, "EYE FOR AN EYE": Hi, Nancy. Nice to be here. Thanks so much.
GRACE: Long time no see.
KAELIN: Yes, you look terrific.
GRACE: Likewise. Hey what happened to all that hair?
KAELIN: Got it cut. You like the look?
GRACE: Like it. Like it a lot. Now, hey question to you, I recall very vividly your testimony on the stand, but when you spoke to Barbara Walters years later, you said, and I quote, I believe in my heart Simpson is guilty. Why?
KAELIN: Well, because that was the feeling I had. It wasn`t something I could say. I had no proof. It`s the feeling that I had. It was just a very gloomy night. I didn`t find out anything that was going on until during the trial, because I wasn`t allowed to watch. That was just my feeling. I can`t say in a court, my feeling is this. But that was my feeling.
GRACE: To Yale Galanter, O.J. Simpson`s attorney, Mr. Galanter what can you tell us a website that purportedly has a porn video by your client, O.J. Simpson?
GALANTER: That website was originally set up maybe four or five, six years ago. The website was originally closed down. That is old footage that a new promoter has put up. It was an impostor. There have been a number of stories written about the fact that in the sexual part of the tape, that the people that did that video had hired an O.J. look-alike. It`s not O.J. Everybody knows it`s not O.J. We had the original site shut down and we`re working on getting the new site shut down.
GRACE: Question, isn`t it true that O.J. Simpson, your client, vowed to sue the tabloids that said he was in a porn movie. Why hasn`t he filed suit?
GALANTER: I don`t remember O.J. ever vowing to sue any tabloid over anything. I`ve been O.J.`s lawyer, as you know, Nancy, for a number of years. I`m usually the person that`s in front of the camera answering these types of questions.
GRACE: Have you said you would sue?
GALANTER: No, I`ve never said that I would sue a tabloid over saying that O.J. Simpson has appeared in a sexual video. I have said on a number of occasions for a number of years that it`s not O.J. It`s an impostor. The original people who made the film admitted that it was an impostor video in this actual part of the tape and if you look at the tape, you could see, you know, O.J. has some very distinguishing marks on his legs and his knees from prior surgeries and the impostor doesn`t have any of those scars.
GRACE: If a video site, Alan Ripka, is using a look-alike and trying to make money off the look-alike couldn`t they sue for all that money?
RIPKA: Of course. You have a great case for someone using O.J.`s name and appearing in a pornographic film. First of all it demeans his reputation, and there`s a claim for monetary damages.
GRACE: What could be worse than having a reputation for beheading two people in the front yard but I get your drift. So Yale Galanter, Alan Ripka, veteran trial lawyer, how come you guys haven`t sued to make money if that`s not your client in a porn movie?
GALANTER: Well, our, my interest, anyway, Nancy, was to have the website shut down and the original website we did have shut down. The person that`s trying to make money off of that now got the tape through some means, and we`re, you know, trying to get it shut and eventually we will.
GRACE: Have you gone to court to stop it?
GALANTER: We have not gone to court yet. We have sent them a cease and desist notice and we`re preparing court papers now.
GRACE: OK, but you`ve said this was ages and ages old. It`s four and five years old and you just filed a letter?
GALANTER: No, no, no, Nancy that`s not what I said. The original website that had the porn tape that was trying to make money off of the porn tape, that original website we had shut down. The new promoter that opened up this website maybe 60, 90 days ago, that website we are trying to get shut down currently.
GRACE: Well, I am looking at the June 4th Daily News, and you are quoted as saying that Simpson would go to court to block the release of the tapes, and that Simpson vows to sue "The Globe." But you never did, did you?
GALANTER: You`re talking about the June 4th of what year, of 2000, 2001?
GRACE: 2006.
GALANTER: Then I was misquoted.
GRACE: And your client was misquoted, too?
GALANTER: I never, never vowed to sue the tabloids.
GRACE: Why don`t you? If somebody said I was in a porn video, I would sue them until the cows came home.
GALANTER: The reason I wouldn`t sue the tabloids is the same reason I don`t like to do a lot of these interviews when these promoters come up with these websites. It puts more money in their pocket. It gives them more front page news. It really puts money in their coffers and we have no interest in doing that.
GRACE: What about the truth? Why don`t you sue because, according to you, it`s not your client having sex on a video or isn`t your client and he made money off of it.
GALANTER: It`s not according to me. It`s according to the original promoters of that film that it wasn`t O.J. Simpson. You don`t have to take my word for it. That`s why they took the original website down.
GRACE: All I know is you`re quoted as saying you`re going to take them to court, you`re going to block it, you`re going to sue, he`s been maligned and nobody has lifted finger. What about it, Gloria Allred, Brown family attorney and author of "Fight Back and Win," weigh in, Gloria.
ALLRED: Well, first of all, let me just say the JudgeOJ.com is ridiculous because a civil jury did judge O.J. Simpson, Nancy and found that he was liable for the deaths of Nicole and Ron, may they rest in peace. So what`s left to judge? That was affirmed on appeal, I might add, and so he is liable for their deaths. Is he in a porn video? I don`t really care if he`s in a porn video. What I do care about is, I hope that everyone remembers that he is responsible for the deaths of two innocent human beings, one of whom had been his wife, and the mother of his two children.
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SIMPSON: I love my life. Isn`t life wonderful? Thank you, Jesus!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you ever sniff coke?
SIMPSON: In my life.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
SIMPSON: I refuse to answer that question. In recent years? No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But in your life, if you refuse, that means yes. This is a come clean show.
SIMPSON: Let me tell you, when I retired from football, I went and did what everybody was doing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No bus wants to pick up OJ. He`s like -- OJ`s new lowest low, he`s at a bus stop. I filmed this because this is sort of weird.
SIMPSON: Then when they catch people doing it, they don`t do nothing to them. When they catch people lying, they don`t -- like they caught Fuhrman lying -- when the tape came out. Everybody talked, "Oh, he said (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Who cares if he said (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?
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GRACE: Life after Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson, life cut short, murdered June 12, 1994. Ron Goldman, murdered 1994. Cochran, the lead defense attorney, died March 29, 2005. After the trial, he founded the Cochran Firm, wrote a book, and hosted a T.V. show.
Chris Darden currently in private practice, specializing in criminal defense, wrote a book "In Contempt." Marcia Clark, recently as December involved in a sitcom being developed by "Law and Order" creator. Also works for "E.T.," wrote a book, "Without a Doubt." Lance Ito, the judge, still a judge, still hearing cases in L.A., refuses to give interviews.
Mark Fuhrman, detective, retired from the LAPD, moved to Idaho, wrote "Murder in Brentwood," wrote "Murder in Greenwich." Host of a Spokane, Washington radio show, the Mark Fuhrman Show. Kato Kaelin, with us tonight, at that time the world`s favorite house guest, went on a speaking tour, billed as the sixteenth minute after his 15 minutes of fame. He`s been on tons of T.V. shows.
Denise Brown, sister of Nicole Brown Simpson, head of the Nicole Brown Charitable Foundation to fight domestic violence. Dr. Henry Lee, chief emeritus of Connecticut state Police, author of a book. Arnelle Simpson, Simpson`s daughter, arrested April 4, `98, drunk driving. Justin Simpson, son of O.J. Simpson and Nicole Brown Simpson, turned 18 yesterday. Sydney Simpson, daughter of O.J. Simpson and Nicole Brown Simpson will be 21 in October, student at Boston University, and recently called 911. Take a listen.
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SYDNEY SIMPSON, DAUGHTER OF O.J. SIMPSON (on phone): My dad is an (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
DISPATCHER: This is the policeman. How may I help you?
SYDNEY SIMPSON: (INAUDIBLE).
DISPATCHER: I`m sorry, I`m not understanding what you are saying.
S. SIMPSON: He said he doesn`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) love me or any of his kids.
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NICOLE SIMPSON, DECEASED (on phone): Well my ex-husband or my husband just broke into my house and he`s ranting and raving. Now he`s just walked out in the front yard.
DISPATCHER: Has he been drinking or anything?
N. SIMPSON: No. But he`s crazy.
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GRACE: And as you can see, a lot of people made a lot of money writing books about the O.J. Simpson trial.
Rosie, let`s finish up the list, there`s Fred Goldman, the father of Ron Goldman. He has become a victim`s rights advocate. Still hasn`t received a penny from the Simpson civil suit. A.C. Cowling, the will man. He has a 900 phone line in which he talks about his life. Paula Barbieri, the girlfriend, has many T.V. appearances.
Robert Shapiro -- Faye Resnick, friend of Nicole Brown Simpson, posed nude. F. Lee Bailey, disbarred. Barry Scheck, Innocence Project. Alan Dershowitz, continuing to teach law at Harvard. Peter Neufeld, cofounder of Innocence Project. Philip Vannatter, retired, write a book, "Evidence Dismissed: The Inside Story of the Investigation of O.J. Simpson."
To Dr. Robi Ludwig: when we look at what Simpson`s children have to say now, his son said he tries not to think about it and move forward, what does that mean?
ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well clearly they can`t not think about it. O.J. Simpson did the worst possible thing. He left such psychological scars for his children to deal with and for their children to deal with. There`s no way they can`t think about it and obviously, they struggle because psychologically they want to have a father. So therein lies the conflict. They don`t want to lose both parents, which they would have to do if they believe their father killed their mother.
GRACE: Joining us tonight, the director of the Houston`s mayor crime victims office, our friend and colleague Andy Kahan. Andy, the money doesn`t stop here with Simpson making all these videos, wherever that money`s going to. Everybody`s denying making money Andy, but somebody`s making money, all right?
ANDY KAHAN, DIRECTOR, VICTIMS CRIME OFFICE, HOUSTON: Everybody`s making money, but certainly the Goldman and the Brown family aren`t receiving one bloody red cent.
GRACE: Tell me what you`ve seen online, Andy.
I`ll tell you, I`ll show you right here. This is a copy. And it`s being sold as of today and it`s absolutely disgusting and revolting that they sell Nicole Brown Simpson`s autopsy report for about $20 a pop. Can you imagine the Brown family knowing that what happened to their daughter, the brutal, horrific murder is being sold for all the world to see?
Not only the autopsy report, they sell her death certificate, including Ron Goldman`s death certificate as well, so there`s a lot of people making a lot of blood money off the most horrific crimes known to mankind. And it`s -- I just can`t understand, and maybe you can ask O.J.`s attorney, why in God`s name, if he`s trying to repair his image, shouldn`t any money he`d be making go to the Brown family, to the Goldman family, if he`s truly trying to enhance his image?
GRACE: Let me ask Yale Galanter a quick question before we go to break. Yale, your client since has been in court twice since he was acquitted criminally. One for stealing cable, and one for a simple assault. He was acquitted on the simple assault, but why were police in his house to find out he was stealing cable? Was it a drug investigation?
GALANTER: Originally, it was a drug investigation. Some drug dealers were talking about an ecstasy deal. One of the drug dealers was boasting about knowing O.J. Simpson, and that`s how the police ended up in his home.
GRACE: He did pay the $25,000 he stole of cable?
GALANTER: Nancy, O.J. Simpson never stole $25,000 worth of cable. That -- we were not given the opportunity to have a trial.
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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Rosie, do you have that video, that sound from the alleged victim in the battery case? There you`re seeing a guy that claims Simpson roughed him up, a road rage incident. Simpson was acquitted at trial, one of the three times he`s been in court since being acquitted by a criminal jury.
To Kimberly Goldman, Ron Goldman`s sister. Kimberly, as you are sitting back, seeing all this video of him out partying with a Nicole look- alike, the memorabilia signing, the living large, what are your thoughts?
GOLDMAN: I`m repulsed by it. I mean, no offense to you, I understand why you`re doing it, but we`ve spent a better part of 50 minutes watching this video over and over and over again, and it`s disgusting to me. I don`t want my son to see this. I think it`s reprehensible that this is being aired and that these Web sites are all over the place. This is a man that brutally, savagely murdered two people, and this is the kind of honor we`re giving him.
GRACE: Do you have a hard time -- I do -- in accepting that, to a lot of people, he`s a star, a celebrity? I have a really hard time with that.
GOLDMAN: I do, too. It`s disgusting to me, but he -- people are morbidly curious about what he`s doing. I mean, if you look at the girls in those images, I`m sure they`re no more than 20 something years old. They were barely 10 maybe when this all happened. So you know, he`s an anomaly, and I don`t think we`re ever going to see anything like this again. And I hope that the country, you know, smartens up a little bit and shuns him the way that they should when someone stabs people to death.
GRACE: Kimberly, I don`t know if people tell you this very often, but your family still in our hearts and our prayers, as is the Brown family.
GOLDMAN: Thank you.
GRACE: To everyone, Nancy Grace signing off for tonight. Thank you for being with us. Our biggest thank you, as always, for you inviting us into your homes. See you here tomorrow night.
Good night, friend.
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