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John Mark Karr Winging Toward United States; Who's Getting Checked at the Airport?

Aired August 20, 2006 - 22:00   ET

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CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: This is CNN SUNDAY NIGHT, your connection to the world, the Web, and what's happening right now.
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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He almost seems like a celebrity who's been used to having the cameras following him around.

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LIN: The man of the hour by his design or not. John Mark Karr winging towards the United States. CNN has complete coverage, including a reporter on board.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gunmen struck from at least half a dozen locations, many firing on the crowd from rooftops and inside houses. Even from a cemetery.

LIN: A day for rejoicing, ruined by violence. And nobody is surprised. Some say it's time to accept there is a civil war in Iraq.

And who's getting checked at the airport? And why? It's logic, prudence, and political correctness. Racial profiling and more cries of no fair.

This is CNN SUNDAY NIGHT.

And I'm Carol Lin. In the lineup tonight, we are keeping an eye on what your clicking on at 14 past. Busta gets busted. Let's see if this musician can beat the rap.

And at 36 past, President Bush declares Israel the winner in the Middle East conflict. But with Hezbollah giving out cash, who's really winning?

And love her or hate her, speculation grows this former first lady could be your future president. A closer look at 46 past.

Now you've been out all weekend, so let's get you plugged in. This was one of at least two shootouts in a Texas standoff that's going on right now. Police are facing off against a gunman at an apartment building outside of Dallas. Three officers and a state trooper have been shot and wounded. A live report in under ten minutes.

And in just under two and a half hours, the man suspected of killing JonBenet Ramsey arrives in the United States. CNN's Dan Simons at Karr's destination, the Los Angeles International Airport. Dan?

DAN SIMONS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Carol. Thai Airways flight 794 from Bangkok to Los Angeles is going to arrive sometime between 9:30 and 10:00 p.m. local time. It is a 15 hour flight, a flight that so far has included champagne and shrimp. We're going to be talking about that. We're also tell you where Mr. Karr is going to spend the night when he arrives here in Los Angeles. We're going to be talking about that in 30 minutes. Carol, back to you.

LIN: Dan, a lot of questions answered tonight, I hope.

Now is Iraq in an all-out civil war? Today's events could be a bloody sign that it is. Despite tight security, gunmen opened fire on a massive Shi'ite celebration in Baghdad. The Iraqis say at least 20 people are dead. Details in 15 minutes.

SHANON COOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, I'm Shanon Cook. Still no verdict from Saddam Hussein's first trial, but a second one starts tomorrow with even more serious charges. They involve the killing of tens of thousands of Kurds with chemical weapons. I'll be back with more in 15 minutes.

LIN: See you then, Shannon.

And how would you like to be kicked off a plane because of the way you look? Well, it happened to two men on a flight from Spain to the United Kingdom. In a virtual mutiny, other passengers refused to fly with the men apparently because they were Asian. This is what one passenger had to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's easier to apologize to two people for getting it wrong than it is to apologize to a full aircraft of people that could have been in jeopardy.

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LIN: So that gets us to our last call question. Do you think racial profiling will keep you safe? Give us a call at 1-800-807- 2620. We're going to air some of your responses and explore the issue in depth. An Arab American civil rights activist joins me live later this hour.

Now talk about strange bed fellows. Senator Joe Lieberman, a senior Democrat now running as an Independent and backed by top Republicans. Meantime, he's also getting some major heat from top Democrats. Here's what John Kerry had to say.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: I'm concerned that he is making a Republican case and he is uttering almost the same words as Vice President Cheney. And I think it's inappropriate. (END VIDEO CLIP)

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Slithering from the Internet to a theater near you, it's snakes on a plane. I'm technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg. You've probably heard plenty about this movie even before it opened. And that's largely due to the web. We'll take a closer look.

LIN: All right, Daniel.

And Tiger Woods on top and maybe on the way to becoming golf's greatest player. He won the PGA championship today, marking his 12th career major. Only Jack Nicklaus, the golden bear has more with 18.

And now it's your turn to choose the news. What stories do you want to hear more about? E-mail us at weekends@CNN.com and we're going to get you flash feedback within the hour.

But first, our top story. Just hours to go before John Karr arrives in Los Angeles. The suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder is flying from Bangkok as we speak.

The L.A. Sheriff's Department tells us he is going to stay in the city twin towers jail overnight. And then he could be taken to Colorado in the next day or two. Karr also faces a hearing in which he has the option to fight extradition.

Meantime, Karr looked like any other passenger in business class. He even sipped champagne and dined on jumbo prawns. Drew Griffin was at the Bangkok Airport when Karr left. And this is what he saw.

GRIFFIN: He's actually about 20 feet away from me right now in a bizarre sort of scene. I can tell you that Homeland Security officers, one on each side, have just sat down with him, literally waiting outside the gate where a mob of people, many of whom are getting on the plane, are just watching this happen.

Looks like one of the officers is just describing how the flight will go. And I can tell you that U.S. officials are now in control of Mr. Karr and that any moment now we should be boarding this Thai Airways jet for Los Angeles

But a spectacle of a scene here, if you can imagine. He's just sitting very proper, not relaxed at all, but not looking at any of the cameras that are staring at him.

An unbelievably bizarre moment has finally ended. And John Karr was taken from the waiting area at the gate on to the flight just about five minutes ago. Ringed by his two Homeland Security officers on each side and by Homeland Security official Ann Hurst, who was carrying his passport as they got on.

I got so close to them I could hear him chitchatting with his officers, surprised about all the media attention he was getting and talking about the fact that he was watching television news while he was in prison here being detained at the immigration facility here. But this flight should be taking off within the next hour. And John Mark Karr is on board now in U.S. custody.

LIN: And right now, Drew Griffin is as close to the story as you can get. He's on John Karr's flight. And once Drew lands, we're going to put him on live. So stay tuned for live CNN coverage of Karr's arrival, expected just after midnight Eastern time.

Well, his present day travels seem strange, but you haven't seen anything yet. The more we learn about John Karr's past, the more bizarre the details get.

Here's CNN's Atika Shubert in Bangkok.

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ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Murder suspect John Mark Karr was escorted out of Thailand's immigration detention center to the flash of cameras and a barrage of questions from reporters.

He answered none of them. With a blank expression on his face, officials led him to a waiting car. Arriving at the airport, the scene was a media frenzy as Karr was pushed through to check in and immigration.

He is flying business class on a Thai Airways flight bound of Los Angeles, but even as Karr leaves Thailand, many questions remain. What was he doing here for the last two years?

He lived a lonely life on the ninth floor of this Bangkok guest house, staff and neighbors say, and was never seen with anyone. CNN obtained a copy of his hotel bill with several phone numbers. Among the calls, a tour agency that says he traveled to Cambodia and a medical clinic specializing in cosmetic surgery, including sex change operations.

Doctors there say Karr had several appointments, but refused to divulge what treatments he received.

Karr taught in at least two Bangkok international schools for several weeks. Both refused to hire him full time. One reported inappropriate behavior with young girls. Another said he was too intimidating to his students.

CNN also obtained a copy of his application to another school that declined to hire him. According to a school official that interviewed him for the job, Karr seemed "overly eager to work with elementary school girls", refusing any supervision or assistance in the classroom.

This school official also told CNN, Karr sent the school a series of pornographic and sexually explicit e-mails.

Once in detention, Karr was monitored 24 hours a day by English speaking guards. He ate little, only asking for the occasional bottle of water.

Immigration officials say he passed the days watching television, including news reports of his arrest and reading one book, "The Secret Garden" a children's story about an orphaned young girl who goes to live with her reclusive uncle in the English countryside.

This detention center was John Mark Karr's home for the last four days. Immigration officials tell us he made one last request before leaving. He said he wanted to dress well, asking for a silk shirt and tie. He told them he wanted to be dressed like a schoolteacher for his final departure.

Atika Shubert, CNN, Bangkok.

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LIN: Now this programming note. Larry King will have an exclusive interview with Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood and the Colorado professor who led police to Karr. That's tomorrow night at 9:00 Eastern.

Now we're closely watching events unfold in north Texas. About three hours ago, a shooting, a standoff, and four police officers with gunshot wounds. We're learning new details every few minutes. So let's go straight to Midlothian, Texas and Bob Greene from our affiliate WFAA.

Bob, have they been able to make contact with the suspect?

BOB GREENE, WFAA NEWS CORRESPONDENT: They have made contact with him several times, but have been unable to get him out. And sort of a changing of the guards is going to right now. The rangers are in here as well as Dallas SWAT, still trying to get 25-year-old Richard Miles out of his apartment.

Now take a look. This is some video we shot earlier this evening. This thing all started with a call for a suddenly broken window. When officers arrived, Miles shot three officers, Cody McKinney, Dustin Compton and Sergeant Brian Woolery and then shot state trooper Rick Smith.

Miles then barricaded himself in the apartment. And that's when things got woolly.

Several shots were fired just after 5:30 this evening. Actually while we were on the air, officers continued trying to negotiate with the man and fired gas into the apartment just before 8:00 p.m. That's just about an hour ago.

Now as night falls back live the standoff continues, as those officers are in the hospital this evening, two of them undergoing surgery. And they're trying to recover rather from those shots, those injuries, but they are all alive this evening, Carol.

LIN: So what's the next strategy then? They were able to get him a telephone because I understand he didn't have one? GREENE: Well, they tried to throw a telephone in several times, they said they tried to call him or that's when we heard is that they have tried to call him several times, but were unable to -- he wasn't picking up the phone and they were unable to reach him. And that's what they began passing him notes.

So they've been in contact with him, but hey still haven't been able to get him out even after the tear gas that was shot in there about an hour ago.

LIN: Wow. All right, Bob Greene in an unfolding situation from our affiliate WFAA. We'll be checking back.

Snipers opened fire, another round of violence, and now a new report says Iraq's in an all-out civil war.

Hillary Clinton "TIME" magazine love her or hate her.

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LIN: Polarizing Hillary. Love her or hate her, is '08 her date?

Did savvy cyber surfers send snakes on a plane to soaring heights in ticket sales? Daniel Sieberg has your blond bug.

You're watching CNN SUNDAY NIGHT.

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TIME STAMP: 2215:30

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg. It's time for a quick check of what you're clicking on at cnn.com.

Investigators are looking for human remains in western Missouri after a man's grisly confession. Police say he admitted to killing seven men during drug deals, and dismembering them, and burning their bodies. Bone fragments from two people have already been found.

Iran is flexing more military muscles. The country today tested surface to surface missiles near its border with Iraq. The war games come as Iran faces a United Nations deadline to accept limits on its nuclear program or face possible sanctions.

And rapper Busta Rhymes was arraigned in New York on an assault charge. The New York Post reports police believe he beat a man who spat on his car.

LIN: In Baghdad, the sectarian violence only increased when security tightened for a religious holiday weekend. Snipers opened fire on crowds of Shi'ites marching through the Iraqi capital.

CNN's Michael Holmes has the story.

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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Violence had been expected and insurgents obliged. Gunfire and panic. Hundreds of thousands of Shi'ite pilgrims marched on the streets of northern and central Baghdad Sunday to mark the anniversary of the death of the revered eighth century imam Musad al Kadim (ph). Last year, rumors of a suicide bomber in the crowd sparked a stampede that killed nearly a thousand people.

This time, the threat was no rumor. Despite high security and a total vehicle ban, gunmen struck from at least half a dozen locations, many firing on the crowd from rooftops and inside houses, even from a cemetery.

U.S. helicopters were in the air, but ground troops stayed back leaving security to Iraqi forces and in some cases, Shi'ia militiamen, who fought insurgents in often prolonged gun battles.

Among the dead, some of those militiamen and several insurgents. Several police officers among the wounded.

But the pilgrims were determined to proceed. And by the time they had reached their destination, the biggest Shi'ia mosque in Baghdad, many of their fellow marchers were dead, hundreds wounded.

Violence had been anticipated by authorities in part because the Shi'ia march wound its way through several Sunni neighborhoods. And that's where most of the ambushes took place.

(on camera): The march took place during a major U.S.-Iraqi security operation aimed at curbing Shi'ia/Sunni violence, as well as attacks by foreign fighters. But at the end of the day, the toll of dead Iraqis had risen yet again.

Michael Holmes, CNN, Baghdad.

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LIN: Time now to check the other stories making news around the world. Saddam Hussein going on trial tomorrow for a second time. Shanon Cook has more on that.

COOK: You could call it the next phase for Saddam Hussein in a sense. Thank you, Carol.

Hussein and six others are charged with genocide and crimes against humanity. This new trial, which starts tomorrow, focuses on the an fal (ph) campaign, which an estimated 100,000 Kurds were killed by mustard gas. One of the defendants is actually a former general known as Chemical Ali. His nickname comes from the use of the poison gas during the campaign. And by the way, a verdict in Hussein's first trial in the killing of dozens of Shi'ites is expected in October. And in Mumbai, India, a sweet miracle? Well, residents say the sea water there suddenly turned from salty to sweet. And people have been flocking to the water believing the change to be a divine miracle. They've been bathing in it, they've been drinking it, they've been bottling it up and saving it for later.

Some believe it actually has healing powers, but city officials are desperately cautioning against drinking the water. They're concerned pollution might be one of the causes of this so called sweetness, and that the water could actually be contaminated.

And finally, it was intended as a harmless tumble, but four British firemen are getting heat for it. This is actually a fireman in a dryer that we're looking at here. One of his co-workers apparently videoed this stunt with a cellphone, and it ended up online. We're watching it on the popular site, You Tube.

This is at the fire station in Manchester, England where they work. So they were doing this while they were at work. Very annoying.

The fireman who's inside went for a few spins before climbing out as you can see. He's all right, but Carol, the four who were in on the joke have been suspended from work pending an internal investigation. It must have been a slow day at the fire station.

LIN: Is that the guy you want coming to rescue you?

COOK: Oh, gosh, hopefully not.

LIN: Not on the other end of 911, I hope. All right, thanks very much, Shanon.

COOK: Thanks, Carol.

LIN: All right, we are still covering one of our top stories here. John Karr coming back to the United States. He has virtually confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey. Drew Griffin on the plane with the suspect. Drew, have you landed yet?

GRIFFIN: No, we're about two hours out from Los Angeles now. We're about 38,000 feet. And finally got a satellite to go through, Carol, but it's been a fairly uneventful flight.

John Karr is in the last row of business. He's in the window seat. Right next to him is one of two immigration agents and also a person from the Boulder District Attorney's office are here.

John Karr has not made any statements. He has told the officials with him that he does not want to talk. I have tried to communicate with him through writing notes and what not. And he just does not want to say anything at all at this time.

But it's been a very uneventful flight. The only problem is the agents have to stay awake on this 15-hour flight. And they're having a hard time doing it, walking up and down the aisles just trying to stay awake.

LIN: I can imagine. Drew, can you explain the stories that we're hearing about John Karr drinking champagne, eating prawns, sitting in business class? Some people questioning whether this is a warranted expense for taxpayers?

GRIFFIN: I can tell you, he's not drinking any champagne. They do serve a couple of meals on the flight to everybody who comes by. And he's in business class, I think more for security reasons than anything else. It is a two-seat configuration. And they wanted to get him as isolated as they could on a commercial airline jet.

It's certainly not a luxurious flight. I'm in the same class as he is. And you just get a small little airline meal. I had the prawns myself, Carol. And there were just two. So it -- I don't know where these stories are coming from.

LIN: All right, maybe not the height of luxury. Is there a Boulder detective as well on board? And is this an opportunity for that detective to question Karr? He doesn't have legal representation yet.

GRIFFIN: No, he is with a Boulder detective. That Boulder detective had been in Bangkok all along. In fact, he was one of the persons who escorted John Karr to that bizarre news conference on Thursday in Bangkok.

But there has been no questioning. John Karr has mostly been sleeping, reading a little bit, stretching. He has gone to the bathroom a couple of times. And it's interesting, he cannot go into the bathroom and close the door and lock it, Carol. So the two male agents literally have to take him to the wash room with the door open. And they kind of use curtains to block a view from the rest of the passengers.

The other thing is he's not wearing any restraints or handcuffs. And that is because Thai Airways, the airline we are flying, would not allow that of a passenger on their plane.

LIN: Drew Griffin, interesting picture that you're painting on board that flight. Drew Griffin, winging his way also to Los Angeles on the same plane as John Karr. Drew able to call in whenever he can. And of course, we're going to hear from Drew as soon as the plane lands as well.

Now President Bush declared Israel the victor in the Middle East conflict last week. But in many parts of Lebanon, the Hezbollah leader has emerged as a hero. The rise of Hassan Nasrallah in 14 minutes.

And terror plots, subway attacks, bus explosions. It certainly can be a scary world. And many believe racial profiling is not only acceptable, it's necessary. In three minutes, we'll take a closer look.

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REP. PETER KING (R), NEW YORK: There's no doubt the people from the Middle East are more of a terror suspect than the 80-year-old grandmother from Sweden.

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LIN: In this post 9/11 world, there are many who would agree with Congressman Peter King. Racial profiling is not only acceptable, it's necessary.

They say if you look like a Middle Easterner, you should be treated like a suspect. Well, it's a fact. Many of the recent terror plots involved Muslim extremists. So could there be a value to racial profiling if it ends up saving lives?

Ibrahim Hooper joins us from Washington. He is the national director for communications for CAIR, the Council on American Islamic Relations. Good to have you, Ibrahim.

IBRAHIM HOOPER, CAIR: Thanks for having me.

LIN: Did you hear about the flight from Melaga (ph) to the U.K., where passengers -- they revolted...

HOOPER: Yes.

LIN: I mean they refused to get on the airplane. They wanted two Asian men, one passenger thought was speaking Arabic or some...

HOOPER: Yes.

LIN: They wanted them ejected from the plane.

HOOPER: They thought.

LIN: That's what they're saying. Obviously, well, I shouldn't say obviously...

HOOPER: And in - yes.

LIN: ...but the airline did ask these two men to deplane so that the flight could take off. I mean, are you afraid that passengers are going to be taking law into their own hands?

HOOPER: Well, you've got vigilante profiling now. When you've got people like Representative King saying all Middle Easterners should be profiled, first of all, he would need to define what a Middle Easterner is, what a Middle Easterner looks like. They range from dark, dark black to blond, blue eyes. And you know, does that include Israelis as well?

LIN: But here's what Americans know. HOOPER: Yes.

LIN: They know that the Bali bombings, right, the Madrid train bombings, 9/11, all perpetrated by Islamic extremists. Doesn't -- wouldn't the government be irresponsible in not at least paying more closely attention to those leads that point to Middle Easterners?

HOOPER: OK, but again, what does that mean? Does that mean on the ground that you're going to have one line for Muslim travelers and one line for people of other faiths? I don't think so. I think the answer is to step up voluntary screening programs where people can receive a benefit of going through security faster if they voluntarily submit to screening. That cuts down the number of people that you have to look at.

LIN: But wait a second.

HOOPER: And give heightened security to all the others.

LIN: You have a government that says that if you're not doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't fear being, you know, questioned...

HOOPER: Well...

LIN: ...or wiretapped or...

HOOPER: We could say that about any of...

LIN: ...so for those who refuse go through, that -- doesn't that raise even more suspicion about them?

HOOPER: Yes, I mean, you could say that about any of the rights that we have as Americans, that if you're not doing anything wrong, why do you, you know, need any of these rights? That's always an argument put forward during crimes of crisis.

If you talk to any existing security personnel, not the consultants out on the talk show circuit, but the security personnel...

LIN: Right.

HOOPER: ...they say profiling doesn't work.

LIN: But they are - law enforcement also says that they focus on suspicious behavior. And if you have a situation...

HOOPER: Well, wave your sign.

LIN: Wait a second, Ibrahim. If you have a situation where passengers are already profiling, already revolting, wouldn't it be at least better for law enforcement, a government agency to at least have rules and regulations and then the confidence of the passengers that law enforcement is profiling potential terrorists, whatever color they may be? HOOPER: Well, no, that's -- it's not whatever color they may be, it's when they asked a congressional candidate in Wisconsin who's in favor of profiling how he'd identify Muslims and Middle Easterners, he said well look for the people with the turban. Well I tell you if you look for people with turbans you're going to find Sikhs, not Muslims.

LIN: And there was a Sikh man who was stabbed...

HOOPER: Was stabbed, yes.

LIN: ... 9/11, his neighbor mistaking him for...

HOOPER: Just within the last couple of weeks, we had a Sikh stabbed by a guy who said he thought he was with the Taliban.

LIN: All right. Ibrahim Hooper, appreciate the time.

HOOPER: Thank you.

LIN: We want to ask our audience this question. It is our last call question. Do you think racial profiling will keep you safe? Give us a call at 1-800-807-2620. We're going to air some of your responses later this hour

Still ahead right now, drinks, dinner, movies, sounds like a night out on the town, but that's pretty much what the man who confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey got. What awaits him back in the United States? We're going to show you next.

And claiming victory, President Bush declares Israel the victor of the Middle East crisis, but who's winning when it's the militants who are helping people rebuild?

And what do you think? Could Hillary Clinton be the nation's next president? One magazine wants your vote. You're watching CNN, the most trusted name in news.

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LIN: The headlines tonight and tomorrow...

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LIN: Officer down. The call sent dozens of police officers to this apartment complex in a town outside of Dallas. They're in a standoff with a gunman who isn't giving up, but more gunshots rang out less than two hours ago.

Two hours and counting, the suspect in JonBenet Ramsey's death is set to land in Los Angeles in about two hours. U.S. officials are escorting John Mark Karr on the flight from Thailand and CNN's got a correspondent on that flight. Drew Griffin is going to bring us live coverage when he arrives.

Also chaos in Congo, gunfire for hours today in the capital as the country's president, Joseph Kabila, and a former rebel leader are preparing for a runoff. Clashes between their supporters left at least one soldier dead.

A Hurricane Katrina survivor has hit a snag in his quest to have dinner with President Bush. The Louisiana man is towing his FEMA trailer to Washington. He was hoping to share a Cajun meal with Mr. Bush on Monday, but the White House says that the president's schedule is full tomorrow.

All right, now your turn to choose the news, just 30 minutes ago we asked you to send us your questions regarding stories you haven't seen covered in the media. So here's your flash feedback.

Colin Gillens (ph) from Atlanta wanted to hear the latest on the FBI's search for polygamist Warren Jeffs. Well you may remember the FBI put Jeffs on its "10 Most Wanted" list earlier this year. He faces charges in two states for sex crimes involving minors. Jeffs is still at large.

Meantime, the FBI is also looking for another fugitive polygamist from Jeffs' church. Jacqueline Tarsa LeBaron is the daughter of infamous polygamist Ervil LeBaron. She is accused of aiding in several killings ordered by her now deceased father. Thanks for your questions out there.

All right, getting back to our top story, waiting for John Mark Karr, the suspect in the death of JonBenet Ramsey. His flight from Thailand to Los Angeles is set to end in about two hours. Our Dan Simon is waiting for that arrival at Los Angeles International Airport. Dan, is there extra security around you? What's going to happen next?

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I haven't seen any extra security, in fact, it looks pretty normal here, but what we are being told is when that plane arrives all of the passengers will get off the plane except for John Karr. We are told that customs will then go on the plane itself and clear Mr. Karr on the plane. In terms of what happens after that, we are told that the L.A. County Sheriff's department will take Mr. Karr into custody and then transport him into what's called the twin towers jail, which is located in downtown Los Angeles.

That is a well-known facility here in Los Angeles. It has housed notorious folks like Robert Downey, Jr. and Robert Blake. Now in terms of what happens tomorrow, we're a bit unclear on that, Carol. According to the Boulder County D.A.'s office, Mr. Karr needs to have an extradition hearing. They're pretty insistent on that, but when you talk to people here locally they say that no hearings -- extradition hearings have been scheduled. So we're not really clear in terms of what mechanisms need to be put in place for Mr. Karr to get to Boulder, Colorado.

Now as you talked to CNN's Drew Griffin earlier, he has told you that Mr. Karr has taken full advantage of all the amenities on the airplane including dining on shrimp and also drinking champagne and wine. Now to some people that might create an ugly perception, but one thing that's interesting, Carol, according to some legal experts, they say that's a brilliant idea because it might soften Mr. Karr up. It might make him more eager to cooperate with authorities when he gets on the ground. And in terms of when he's going to get here, Carol, as you mentioned, the plane expected to arrive sometime between 9:30 and 10:00 p.m. local time -- back to you.

LIN: Dan, we have you on the ground, Drew Griffin on board that airplane, we're covering this story from all the angles, so we'll be talking over the next couple of hours. Appreciate the time.

Now Larry King is going to have an exclusive interview with Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood and the Colorado professor who led police to Karr. That's tomorrow night at 9:00 Eastern.

On Monday we heard a declaration from President Bush Israel has won.

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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hezbollah started the crisis and Hezbollah suffered a defeat in this crisis.

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LIN: But isn't it too soon to name the victor? Israeli troops launched an attack in southern Lebanon just yesterday, and a few dozen French troops on a dingy don't come close to the 13,000 additional peacekeepers promised and Hezbollah winning the propaganda war again giving out wads of cash today to Lebanese families in need. So we're going to bring back Brigadier General David Grange. He joins us from Illinois tonight.

David, this was the big story last week, the cease-fire, the countdown to the cease-fire, wondering what's going to happen next. Does what you see on the ground put the international community to shame?

BRIG. GEN. DAVID GRANGE, U.S. ARMY (RET.): Well, I think so. There's a lot of people in the international community that cry out about proportionality and attacks and who's doing what to what other party, yet when it comes down to contributing to solve the problem, to be involved in the peace process, very few stepped up to the plate.

LIN: Hassan Nasrallah, a rock star, I mean they're giving out $12,000 in ironically U.S. dollars -- that's apparently what Hezbollah favors -- to each family to help them rebuild, they're paying for a year's rent, they're cleaning the rubble. I mean what does this do in the dynamic on the ground?

GRANGE: Well, I mean, they definitely are winning the hearts and minds of the people, the Shia people in these areas. The money comes from Iran. It's a great move on their part for propaganda. You know, who do you give the money to? It may be one of their difficulties, though, because you have other people that may not be Shia living side by side, so you know how do they make sure they don't alienate some when they're giving out the money, but it is giving them a step up on the Israelis, there's no doubt about it. LIN: Countries blame -- countries don't want to contribute additional forces because they blame the rules of engagement. They say how do you expect us to put soldiers on the ground when they don't have the authority by the rules of engagement to detect danger and do something about it? They can't fire back. I mean is there a solution there? Is that a warranted argument?

GRANGE: It is a warranted argument. The resolution is a bit hollow in that that regard. If you have to ask -- if the peace keeping organization has to ask the Lebanese government, which is tied in with Hezbollah to -- for permission to engage, as an example, if something is in violation, you can't enforce the peace. I mean you have to go in with a very robust force that has the authority to use force, if necessary, under that peace keeping commander's direction. Just like the forces that went into Bosnia late '95, early '96. You can't piecemeal in the forces and they have to have rules of engagement understood by all and they have to have the authority to use force in order to be effective.

LIN: Well it doesn't end here. There are meetings on both sides, and the United Nations still having to consider where all these forces are going to come from. David Grange, great to have your perspective.

GRANGE: Thank you.

LIN: Well love her or hate her, polls show most voters have already decided on Hillary Clinton's chances for getting back into the White House. The results in four minutes. You're watching CNN SUNDAY NIGHT.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brett Yormark is the CEO of the Nets basketball team, and this guy is truly a dynamo. In his 19-hour workday he's in meetings five and a half hours, he has over 57 phone calls during the day, 113 e-mails received, 81 e-mails sent, it's just a killer schedule.

BRETT YORMARK, CEO, NETS BASKETBALL: I start my day early with a lot of e-mails in setting the tone and the message for the day. I spend a lot of time walking the hallway. I'm very hands-on and to that extent, I'm very assessable and it's a strategy that's really worked for me, so I'm sticking to it.

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LIN: Can you picture another Clinton administration? Hillary claims she is too busy working on her November reelection to worry about a presidential bid, but the new issue of "TIME" magazine is already feeling out voters. What about you? Do you love her or hate her?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) LIN (voice-over): Hillary Clinton may not be talking about her possible run for president in 2008, but everyone else is. Love her or hate her. This week's "TIME" magazine cover asked and polled the public for their views on the New York senator. Many believe Clinton would be the front running Democrat if she were to run for president, but if you need proof that the senator is a polarizing political figure all you need to do is hit the streets of her home state.

RON MARVIN, NEW YORK RESIDENT: Love her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why?

MARVIN: She's Hillary Clinton. What's not to love?

RACI JABSHAJABI, NEW YORK RESIDENT: I don't like her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why?

JABSHAJABI: Her personality, I guess. I'm not really sure, but she's kind of rebelling in a way. I guess she's not as feminine as I expect a woman to be.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Love her. Love her.

RITA GRANT-MILLER, NEW YORK RESIDENT: That seems to be the way most people across the country, particularly in my world feel about her. Some love her, some hate her. Personally I think she's great. She's a woman's woman, and she gets my vote.

IAN MCKENZIE, NEW YORK RESIDENT: Of the females available, which would you like to have in the White House?

LIN: Few of the people we talked to weren't sure of how they felt, but there were some...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't hate anybody, but I think I would feel right in the middle about her. I think she's a brilliant woman. I don't think she can win the election.

LIN: And hey, this is New York. Everyone has an opinion, even on whether it's fair to focus attention on the person and not so much on what she stands for.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think there's ever been a candidate where you either love them or hate them. Usually you know there's some sense of concern about the issues.

LIN: But the issue for now is whether the freshman senator will even make a bid for the White House.

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LIN: And for all the political news you can always log on to CNN.com/Politics. Every day CNN brings you the best political team on television. DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECHNICAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg. What was the net effect from online fans of the movie "Snakes on a Plane"? Well we'll take a look at the hype as the box office receipts are tallied. Plus, we'll show you a look at some real life snakes on a plane. That's coming up.

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LIN: More flash feedback. You asked the question and we find the answer. And Dan Cole sent us a message from Los Angeles. What's going on, on board the International Space Station, Dan wonders. Well Dan, there's plenty going on there.

As you may know, the International Space Station's construction was set way back by the grounding of NASA shuttle fleet. Well now that NASA is back in the game, the ISS project is back on the radar, so to speak. About 15 shuttle flights are allotted for work on this station before the shuttle fleet is retired in four years, and until then a skeleton crew will remain on board and a major component of the space station is on board shuttle Atlantis, which is scheduled for liftoff next Sunday. Hope this helps, Dan, and thanks for writing in.

Well it charmed bloggers, but the campy film "Snakes on a Plane" didn't have a huge bite at the box office. CNN technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg gets us plugged in on our blog buzz -- Daniel.

SIEBERG: That's right, Carol. You may have heard that Internet users actually helped secure the title "Snakes on a Plane", Pacific flight 121 just wasn't going to cut it. They added a now famous line for Samuel L. Jackson that we simply can't repeat here. It even generated enormous underground buzz that swelled up to the mainstream, but as you pointed out, despite all that hissing hype, (INAUDIBLE) estimates are below what some had expected this weekend.

So what is the Internet's effect on the movie end and the movie's effect on the Internet begin? Well it's become about as twisted as a coiled snake, no shortage of material out there. The first one we want to show you is actually kind of an interesting clip. This is combining a rare Internet (INAUDIBLE) form several years ago, sort of an obscure Japanese video game, a reference in it that said all your base are belong to us and now they've changed it to all your snakes are belong to us, and they've composed this kind of a music montage of images from both the video game and just sort of snake's images, in general with popular culture, kind of a bizarre collection of images, just one of the many out there.

Also popular on the Web site utube where you can share video. On this site lots of clips, and one we got here was some guys doing a rap, their own "Snakes on a Plane" rap, with a rather low budget production, you can sort of see the clouds through the windows on the so-called plane there in the background. And finally we've got an example of something you can do for your friends. This is at the Snakesonaplane.com Web site and Carol, we did one that's sort of tailored for you. Let's have a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carol, this is Samuel L. Jackson, so listen up. Forget about your regular job, working in the media. Just hop in your cute wannabe sports car, go get your coworker, Daniel, and go see "Snakes on a Plane".

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LIN: He loves me. What can I say?

SIEBERG: You know, he got your number somehow.

LIN: You bet he did. All right, so this whole "Snakes on a Plane" thing, I mean that's not real, right? You actually had a picture earlier? What is that?

SIEBERG: Yes, this is some real examples that were sent to us by the World Wildlife Fund. You know, they're kind of concerned about this because some of these snakes really get mistreated. We have examples here, some rattlesnakes from Mexico and some pythons from Thailand, so they're very concerned about this. Some people will actually strap the snakes around their body or cram them into the cargo holes...

LIN: (INAUDIBLE)

SIEBERG: ... so some pretty scary stuff on a lot of levels.

LIN: And that really was Samuel L. Jackson calling me, right?

SIEBERG: Of course.

LIN: OK. Thanks, Daniel. Just wanted to double-check.

SIEBERG: You bet.

LIN: All right, time now to check and see whether the weather is going to affect your Monday morning travel plans. Meteorologist Jacqui Jeras joins us from the CNN flight tracker. Hey, Jacqui.

JACQUI JERAS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Hey, Carol, "Snakes in Planes", I don't know why that makes me giggle so much, but we've had problems at the airports all day across parts of the east because of showers and thunderstorms, biggest trouble spot right now is Boston area, you're under a ground stop because of thunderstorms kind of surrounding the area and the airports. You're going to be sitting there for a little while yet.

We also have some delays out of JFK. These are departure delays about one minute because of some windy conditions as that front moves through, but we think things should be cleared up by tomorrow. In fact, smooth sailing we think across most of the northeastern quarter. A little bit of trouble maybe up in Maine, but no major hubs there.

The Midwest looking good, Minneapolis could see a few delays early, but really looking at most of the trouble across the southeast from Atlanta extending all the way down to the Miami area. And as we travel across the continental divide head out across parts of the west, the only delays anticipated will be San Francisco and Los Angeles because of the low clouds and fog, and that will just be in the morning hours -- Carol.

LIN: Well in fact we're waiting for a plane to land in Los Angeles, soon, the suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation. Do you know where that plane is right now?

JERAS: Yes, actually on our flight explorer system that we've been showing you the last couple of weekends, we were able to call it up, there you can see the flight out in the Pacific; there you can see the California coastline. This shows us the actual flight Thai Airlines, that's the code for that, and the flight number, 794 shows it's at 40,000 feet right now and climbing.

That's the type of airplane, an Airbus 340, and there you can see that's where it left in Bangkok, this is the location it's going to, KLAX, estimated arrival time according to our flight explorer, Carol, by the way is about 10:30. I know this plane has been a little bit late, so we'll have to watch that and see some updates as we progress -- back to you.

LIN: Ten thirty, be really late. All right. Thanks very much, Jacqui. We're going to have live coverage of John Mark Karr's arrival around 12:30 Eastern. In the meantime, a check of the hour's headlines after the break.

But first, to our "Last Call" question, do you think racial profiling will keep you safe? This is what you had to say.

CALLER: My name is Mike. I'm from West Palm Beach, Florida. Yes, I think racial profiling would be -- would keep me safe and keep everybody safe.

CALLER: My name is Mary from Minnesota, and no, racial profiling will not keep us safe. It will make us more suspicious of everyone.

CALLER: Yes, this is Rogi (ph) calling from California, no, I don't think racial profiling will make you safe because you can profile somebody and that might make them mad and want to do something to you. You've got to treat everybody equal and you pray you'll be safe.

CALLER: Sandy from Las Vegas. Yes, I think racial profiling is an answer. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

CALLER: Bill from West Palm Beach, Florida. Racial profiling will not keep you safe. You have to look at the person as to his psychological profile.

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