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New Developments in JonBenet Ramsey Case; 'Operation Together Forward'

Aired August 24, 2006 - 08:00   ET

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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: New developments to tell you about this morning in the JonBenet Ramsey case.
What was John Mark Karr saying about JonBenet Ramsey five years ago?

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Michael Holmes in Baghdad.

Coming up, Operation Together Forward -- the battle for Baghdad. It's working, but for how long?

BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Barbara Starr at the Pentagon.

New information that Iran just may be behind those death squads in Iraq.

I'll have that story coming up on this AMERICAN MORNING.

SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: And welcome back, everybody.

I'm Soledad O'Brien.

TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: And good morning, everyone.

I'm Tony Harris in for Miles O'Brien.

O'BRIEN: Some new developments we want to get to in the JonBenet murder case.

California Attorneys Jamie Harmon and Patience Van Zandt told reporters late yesterday that John Mark Karr has retained them. Yesterday, you remember, we were talking to them and it was still being negotiated.

Also, there's new information out about Karr's past.

Let's get right to Peter Viles.

He's in L.A.

That's where Karr is being held -- hey, Peter, good morning.

PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Soledad. This is John Mark Karr's fourth night in the jail behind me, the Los Angeles County Jail, and there is no word either here or in Los Angeles or in Colorado on when he might go to Colorado.

That said, Jamie Harmon, the attorney you just mentioned, says it is her understanding he won't go to Colorado until next week.

Now, in another development in this case yesterday, the Karr family in Atlanta -- this would be John Mark Karr's father and a brother -- said that they have engaged a Hollywood producer, a guy named Larry Garrison, to represent the family, to represent the story, if it could ever be sold, also try to line up a high-powered defense attorney to represent John Karr.

Now, why would a Hollywood producer have a role in a case like this?

That's a question CNN put yesterday to Larry Garrison.

Here's what he had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LARRY GARRISON, AUTHOR/PRODUCER: They asked me to come in and to make sure that the world knows that they love their brother, that they're behind him 100 percent, in spite of anything that has been said and anything that has been done. This is a family that they're victims right now and they, if any money is made off of this project, it will go to John Mark Karr's sons for their college education.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VILES: But, again, Soledad, no official word here in Los Angeles or in Colorado on when it will be that John Mark Karr will be taken to Boulder to face those charges -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Now, Karr was up on charges of child pornography five years ago. And now there's new information about, I guess, a link between that time talking to investigators and the JonBenet Ramsey case.

VILES: Exactly. Investigators in Northern California have now put out a statement about that investigation five years ago, talking about John Karr's evident fascination with the Ramsey case and specifically that he sometimes talked about the murderer. This is quoting from a statement from the sheriff's office up here.

Karr mostly spoke of JonBenet Ramsey's murderer in manner that suggested he was an unknown subject, but one whom Karr was very interested in and curious about. In a few instances, the statement goes on, while he seems to be wondering about the JonBenet Ramsey murderer, he made uncertain allusions to placing himself in the killer's role.

So Karr said some things, evidently, during this investigation, that almost sounded like he was thinking like the murderer or trying to understand the murderer or put himself in the place of the murderer.

That said, this investigation never identified Karr as a suspect in JonBenet Ramsey's death. They said there was no confession that they're aware of and that Karr didn't demonstrate any specific special knowledge of the case.

That said, they took the information they got, they say, up in Sonoma County, gave it to the FBI and also gave it to Boulder authorities five years ago -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Peter Viles in L.A. for us this morning.

Peter, thanks -- Tony.

HARRIS: A new CNN poll asked Americans whether the war in Iraq has made the U.S. safer from terrorist attacks. Thirty-seven percent of those polled said yes, it has made us safer; while 55 percent said the war has made us less safe. Forty-three percent believe the U.S. is safer from terrorism now than it was before 9/11. Thirty-two percent say it's about as safe and 25 percent say the U.S. is less safe.

And when asked if police in their community are prepared for a terrorist attack, only 27 percent said yes, while 70 percent said no.

The poll was conducted by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN.

A dire warning out of Baghdad. The U.S. ambassador to Iraq says sectarian violence could topple the government and cause chaos in the already fragile region. That warning from Zalman Khalilzad comes in an opinion piece in the "Wall Street Journal."

CNN's Michael Holmes joins us live from Baghdad -- and, Michael, if that warning is not to come to pass, it seems in the short-term, you've got to stop the violence.

HOLMES: Yes, and that's right, Tony.

And in essence what he's saying is that what the U.S. is calling Operation Together Forward is crucial to what happens in the future, especially right here in Baghdad, which, of course, is a microcosm of all the sectarian and religious differences and cultural differences right across the country.

Together Forward is essentially the battle for Baghdad. It's been underway for a couple of weeks now, phase one, that is. Phase two is about to get underway.

It involves massive forces of U.S. and Iraqis moving into areas, cordoning off entire suburbs, if you like, and then searching each and every house. Twenty-eight thousand buildings have been searched so far. There have been 100 arrests and six death squad leaders, according to officials, have been arrested and 31 death squad members. This is all about this sectarian violence -- Shias killing Sunnis, Sunnis killing Shias, which has the potential to escalate into a true civil war. Now, as I said, phase two is about to start. Clear and secure is the aim -- seize, hold secure. And then the area is handed over to Iraqi police.

Perhaps, it's interesting to note that each area that is being cleared, it's had a significant drop in insurgent activity. But even intelligence officials tell us that that might be temporary, that the insurgents melt away. They go outside that area. They'll probably -- or may -- come back.

And it's interesting that we've seen increased insurgent activity outside of Baghdad. So perhaps that's exactly what's happening -- Tony.

HARRIS: Michael, it seems like a military operation, but it sure feels like a police action, doesn't it?

HOLMES: Yes, but there is a lot of truth, Tony. The Americans are leaving a lot of this to the Iraqi forces. When they go in there, it is a military operation. The Americans secure the area. The Iraqi troops go in and do the searches. And then it's turned over to the police.

We're finding, also, that there is a bit of a, you know, the old wham attitude -- winning hearts and minds.

HARRIS: I see.

HOLMES: We're told that the Iraqi troops will go in there and tell people that we know you guns, you can keep those guns. But if we find any bomb making materials, any evidence of death squads, you're in big trouble.

They're not ripping houses apart here. They're spreading the message that if you tolerate these insurgents, we're going to crack down on you.

So it's very interesting to see how well this would work.

HARRIS: Yes.

HOLMES: The cliche time will tell actually applies here -- Tony.

HARRIS: Sure.

CNN's Michael Holmes for us in Baghdad.

Michael, thank you.

O'BRIEN: A general at the Pentagon is saying that much of the violence in Iraq can be linked to Iran.

CNN's Barbara Starr is at the Pentagon for us this morning -- hey, Barbara, good morning.

BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Soledad. Well, all that sectarian violence that Michael Holmes is talking about, the question, of course, who is behind it?

The Pentagon making one of the strongest statements to date that the view of the U.S. military is that Iran is behind much of the violence, behind much of the work of the Shia death squads.

Ben Michael Barbero, yesterday, spoke to Pentagon reporters about his view on this matter.

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GEN. MICHAEL BARBERO, JOINT STAFF DEPUTY DIRECTOR, REGIONAL OPERATIONS: Iran is definitely a destabilizing force in Iraq. I think it's irrefutable that Iran is responsible for training, funding and equipping some of these Shia extremist groups and also providing advanced IED technology to them.

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STARR: The general going on to say, in his view, the evidence is clear that there are Iranian trainers inside Iraq training some of the terrorists and death squad members there.

Military intelligence experts say all of this, in their view, simply underscores the growing assessment that Iran is flexing its muscle in the region, not just with its nuclear program, not just with its backing of Hezbollah in Lebanon, but, of course, its backing of the so-called Shia death squads inside Iraq -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Barbara Starr at the Pentagon for us.

Barbara, thanks.

And the answer, I guess you could say, was thanks but no thanks. That's basically the Bush administration's response to Iran's offer to begin negotiations on its nuclear program. The State Department say Iran has fallen well short of the conditions that were set by the U.N. Security Council.

Let's get right to En -- Ed Henry -- sorry, Ed.

He's at the White House for us this morning -- hey, good morning.

ED HENRY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning again, Soledad.

You know, on Monday at his press conference, President Bush said firmly that Iran cannot continue to thumb its nose at the United Nations. But that's basically what Iran did once again. And so far the talk is not that tough from the Bush administration.

The president meeting yesterday with the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice. Shortly after that meeting, Secretary Rice's office put out a statement saying Iran's response did fall short of the U.N. demand. Basically, the U.N. taking a carrot and stick approach. The carrot being economic incentives if Iran will agree by August 31st to suspend its uranium enrichment program.

But, of course, now the big question -- where is the stick? Will the U.S. push the other permanent five members of the U.N. Security Council, as well as Germany, to really press tough sanctions against Iran?

I put that question yesterday to White House Spokeswoman Dana Perino, filling in for the vacationing Tony Snow.

Here's her response.

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DANA PERINO, WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY: I do not have information for you as to specific next steps, but that's what they're talking about.

HENRY: You want tough sanctions, though?

I mean what can you do? There's been a carrot out there with incentives, but where is the stick from the United States?

PERINO: We're going to allow all of our allies to -- the P5 plus one to talk about it and try to figure that out. And when we have next steps to announce, we'll announce them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HENRY: Now, the White House knows the difficulty is going to be getting Russia and China on board for tough U.N. sanctions. That's why yesterday the president was also on the phone with U.N. Secretary- General Kofi Annan.

Kofi Annan about to go to the Mideast on a major trip, including a stop in Iran, one last shot at diplomacy. But everyone realizes that's really a long shot at this point -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Ed, there has been a fair amount of criticism of the president leaving for Maine for the weekend while there are all these crises developing on the international stage that could, by some people's estimations, really use a strong hand by the president at this point.

What's the response at the White House?

HENRY: Well, some of the critics h missed the fact that the president is going to Maine this weekend, in part, because he has a cousin who's getting married near the family compound there in Kennebunkport.

But you're right, clearly the criticism resonated last year, because the president took a long vacation then Hurricane Katrina hit. He was burned by that. He really hasn't recovered in the popularity polls since then. He's been on such a bad stretch.

It's basically a long weekend in Maine this weekend. You can bet if anything blows up, he's going to be heading back to D.C. or at least really focusing in Maine. Because of the technology, he can get engaged -- because he was burned so badly last summer by not cutting that vacation short during Katrina there -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Lesson learned, you might say.

HENRY: That's right.

O'BRIEN: Ed Henry for us at the White House.

Thanks, Ed.

HENRY: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: Tony.

HARRIS: And Happening In America, more problems this morning at the nation's largest oil field in Alaska. Daily production at Prudhoe Bay has been reduced again, from 200,000 to 110,000 barrels. A spokesman for the oil giant, B.P. says it's because a compressor failed. It's expected to take several days to fix.

In West Virginia, the only survivor of the Sago Mine disaster is suing, along with families of two victims. Randy McCloy, Jr. has filed suit for an unspecified amount after the mine's owner and several other companies. McCloy was trapped for days after lightning triggered a methane explosion back in January. Twelve of his fellow miners died. The lawsuit charges the owner of the mine should have known conditions were unsafe.

There is a state of emergency in Washington State because of wildfires raging all over the state. Nearly 3,000 firefighters are battling the biggest fire, which recently doubled in size to about 120,000 acres.

Meanwhile, a wildfire is burning dangerously close to a Utah community this morning. Flames are scorching the hills above Perry and some homes were evacuated in Brigham City.

For the second time this week, strong storms blew through Tucson, Arizona, toppling trees and leaving thousands without power. downed power lines fell on top of about a dozen cars, trapping drivers and passengers inside their vehicles.

In Mississippi, one year after Katrina, a lack of suitable housing is still a major problem. FEMA's director, David Paulison, met with students in one Gulf Coast town on Wednesday, promising them things will get better after one student complained about living in a trailer. Paulison told reporters his agency is looking for alternatives.

And only in New York City -- two college buddies have broken the record -- who knew there was such a thing?

O'BRIEN: Who knew? HARRIS: Who knew -- for riding the entire New York City subway system. That's 468 stations and 660 miles. The old record? There's an old record -- 25 hours and 11 minutes. Their time? we will find out in an exclusive interview with them in our 9:00 hour this morning.

Time now for a check of the forecast.

Once again, Chad Myers at the CNN Center in Atlanta -- Chad, good morning.

Who knew? Who knew?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: You've got to get that song "Too Much Time On My Hands" to play underneath it, you know?

Good morning.

Good morning, everybody.

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O'BRIEN: Coming up this morning, those two journalists who are being held hostage in Gaza -- what's happening behind-the-scenes to try to free them?

We'll take a look.

HARRIS: Also, new numbers on the housing market this morning.

Is now the time to buy or sell?

O'BRIEN: And later, our health series for folks in their 30s and their 40s and their 50s.

Today, we're taking a look at the risks for women who get pregnant later in life.

That's ahead.

Stay with us.

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O'BRIEN: Two Fox News journalists kidnapped in Gaza say on video that they're in fairly good condition. The video showing the men appeared for the first time yesterday. We showed you it right here on AMERICAN MORNING.

CNN's Chris Lawrence in Jerusalem with an update for us -- hey, Chris, good morning.

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Soledad.

Well, the people searching for those two kidnapped journalists are now armed with at least something -- the videotape and the written statement from the Holy Jihad Brigades. Now, I'm told there is an intense effort underway right now to try to find them. Just a few hours ago, a spoke with the American consul general. He told me that they have additional help coming here from Washington, people who have experience with hostage situations. He also said that until yesterday, he had never heard of this group, again the Holy Jihad Brigades.

And I asked him, questioned him about their demands that by Saturday afternoon, the United States release Muslim prisoners in American jails.

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DAVID WALLES, AMERICAN CONSUL: Our position, of course, is that we don't make concessions to kidnappers. So we don't intend to do that. But at this point, we're still just working all of the angles. I've been in touch with President Abbas and I met with him. And he's cooperating with us, as are his security forces.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LAWRENCE: Again, photograph Olaf Wiig and reporter Steve Centanni are still being held captive. Olaf Wiig's wife met with the Palestinian prime minister just a few hours ago in Gaza. The Palestinian prime minister condemned what has happened, says it goes against the morals of the Palestinian people.

And Anita McNaught, Olaf Wiig's wife, made a direct address, so to speak, to the kidnappers, saying she is relieved and comforted by seeing them on the tape, that they look to be well cared for and she trusts that they will continue to care for them until they are released -- Soledad.

O'BRIEN: Chris Lawrence for us this morning.

He's in Jerusalem.

Chris, thanks.

What might be going on behind-the-scenes to free these two men?

Daniel O'Shea is the former coordinator of the State Department's Hostage Working Group in Iraq.

He's in Rome today.

Thanks for talking with us, Mr. O'Shea.

First, I guess what sticks out to me is it's unusual for hostages in Gaza to be held this long. Normally, hostages are held a couple of hours and then released.

Do you think this signifies to you a change in tactics and strategy in Gaza?

DANIEL O'SHEA, FORMER COORDINATOR, U.S. HOSTAGE WORKING GROUP: It really changes with the scenario. It depends on the group that has them. As it's already been mentioned earlier, the fact that it's an unknown named group really doesn't mean a lot. It's -- they use that as a -- kind of to throw off the people that are behind the group, trying to determine if it's one of the factions.

Now, again, be it Palestine, this could be an issue between Hamas, Hezbollah or the PLO. So a group that is trying to get a wedge issue. And by grabbing a journalist, they have the opportunity to get their demands out to a worldwide audience with worldwide attention.

But the reality is the demands are not very specific, they're not very realistic in terms of releasing all Muslim prisoners from U.S. jails. But it's a starting point.

What really is -- it's the work behind-the-scenes that's being done, as the consul general alluded to, that's being done, you know, in a complete inter-agcy effort on behalf of both U.S. law enforcement, the regional security officer for the embassy, contacts they have in the legal government. And it's going to be a diplomatic, intelligence, military and law enforcement operation.

O'BRIEN: talk a little bit more about what's going on behind the scenes.

And I should emphasize for everybody, you're not involved in these negotiations specifically for these two Fox News journalists, but you've been involved for many years in other situations.

What's the goal for the kidnappers? Is it essentially and primarily political sympathy? Is it essentially and primarily a platform, you know, journalists suddenly everybody's talking about it? Is it essentially a shakedown, that they just want money at the end of the day?

O'SHEA: It can be a combination of all of those things. And in most -- in my experience in Iraq, we had, again, cases where numerous groups would grab an individual. They'd be an unnamed group that we weren't previously tracking and they would have a public demand made that would say release the prisoners from Abu Ghraib or the company or country has to pull out of, you know, helping the reconstruction or helping in the multinational force in Iraq.

And that's a general. They make a public demand like that almost to generate a justifiable cause that they're somehow -- there's something noble or there's something, you know, that's worthy to their cause to engender support throughout the Muslim world and that there's something, you know, that's a freedom fighting tactic.

Well, and the reality is it's behind the scenes. What the real demands are really say what this group is about. And, in many cases, it's about money. It's -- what it comes to, kidnapping is about extortion. And it's either political extortion in that they want some concessions made or it's financial extortion. Generally, it's a combination of the two.

So what the specific demands are that's happening behind the scenes, that really tells the tale of what this group really wants. And it's hard to know at this point, because they haven't been public and certainly I'm not aware of what's going on behind the scenes at the interagency effort.

O'BRIEN: We have heard from Olaf Wiig's wife in this particular situation. And I remember talking to Jill Carroll's father. I interviewed him. And he used words like, "I want to speak directly to the kidnappers" and talked about the character of his daughter.

How important are those family videotapes? I mean do the hostage takers watch that and does it make a difference?

O'SHEA: Well, to be honest, generally, no. I mean the hostage takers, they have an agenda. And if they were going to commit a criminal terrorist act of kidnapping someone, the concern -- their concern for the safety of the individual, these people are pawns for them. And not to say it's not, you know, important. I know in Jill Carroll's case, stressing the fact that, you know, that family demand -- because, again, depending upon the group that has you -- in the Arab culture, family is very important. So that doesn't hurt on the public relations side of the house.

But the people that really have these two journalists, that's -- that means nothing to them. They're going to get their political aim and that's -- that's what they're striving at.

So pleas made by the family, while will engender support and more interest, you know, worldwide about the situation, but to the folks that have them, no. They -- they don't have much concern for human life and, in most of the cases we worked, be it an aid worker or pilgrims -- and there's a number of cases in Iraq where, you know, the greatness or the beauty of this person's soul or why they were in Gaza or Iraq had nothing to do with their end result.

It depended upon the group that has them. That, you know, public pleas to them, the hard core groups, doesn't really mean anything.

O'BRIEN: If the request is sort of for a big idealistic request -- you know, release all our prisoners -- but behind the scenes they're saying listen, we want X number of dollars in cash, at the end of the day, I'm curious to know what happens?

I mean in your experience, do people generally pay and they say we would never negotiate, we'd never pay, but they pay?

Is that what happens?

O'SHEA: In many cases it does. But the reality is this -- and the individuals, the companies, the countries that did acquiesce and did make the concessions and did pay out the ransoms that were behind the scenes asked, they were targeted again, again and again. And multiple instances where certain companies and/or countries made it known that they would pay. And they paid the substantial money. And it just drove the business.

You know, the hard line position about the -- that the U.S. takes about no concessions, to be honest, it actually protects -- it protects Americans. And the same with the British position and the Australians. They were in lockstep with that no concessions policy. And, in fact, it makes you safer because you're not future -- when you make -- when you acquiesce to terrorism, when you acquiesce to these guys' demands, you embolden them to just go after you again.

And that's why it's a very difficult, difficult situation. But, again, I know for a fact they're doing everything behind the scenes at the interagency level, both with, you know, the U.S. government and the counterparts to work every angle. And no stone will be unturned to do everything to get these two journalists back. That I can guarantee you.

O'BRIEN: It might make everybody safer, but certainly if you're a family member of the two who are being held hostage right now, that is tough to hear.

Daniel O'Shea is the former coordinator for the State Department's Hostage Working Group in Iraq.

Thanks for talking with us. It's fascinating information. Appreciate it.

O'SHEA: Thank you.

HARRIS: And still ahead, thanks to medical breakthroughs, pregnancy is more likely than ever for women in their 30s and 40s and 50s. But there are different health risks as they get older. We'll look at that next.

And later, is Pluto really a planet? We'll tell you why it could get demoted today.

That's ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

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O'BRIEN: For women, the risks associated with pregnancy increase as you get older.

CNN's Judy Fortin has more in our ongoing health series for people in their 30s and their 40s and their 50s.

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NORA PHEMISTER, GAVE BIRTH AT AGE 42: Doing OK?

Sure I do. Oh.

JUDY FORTIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Playing pretend mommies with daughter Naomi, Nora Phemister makes motherhood look easy.

PHEMISTER: What are you doing?

FORTIN: But for Nora, who's 42 and just had baby Zoie (ph), pregnancy in her 40s was tough -- much tougher than in her 30s. PHEMISTER: My energy level really went down completely. I just wanted to dig a hole in my mattress and stay there.

FORTIN: Nora, a former TV journalist, says she's worked hard to stay camera ready. But the fact is pregnancy takes a toll on the body and younger bodies often have an easier time.

DR. ROBIN KALISH, OB/GYN, PRESBYTERIAN/WEILL-CORNELL: Almost all of your vital organs are changed during pregnancy. Patients have about 50 percent more blood volume in pregnancy, so the heart has to pump harder to get all the blood running through their bodies.

FORTIN: If you're healthy, your obstetrician won't blink an eye in your early 30s. You're likely to feel sick and have heartburn and swollen feet. But those are normal with pregnancy.

Mid-30s, things change. Women are more likely to have high blood pressure or to develop gestational diabetes. And they're also more likely to miscarry.

KALISH: And the most likely reason for this is as women get older, the risk of having a fetus with a chromosomal abnormality increases.

FORTIN: Like Nora, women in their 40s can add fatigue to their list of complaints. But a more serious problem is a risk of dying. At 40, you're four times more likely to die during pregnancy than at 30. The reason? Blood clots. But the chances of dying are still tiny -- less than 1 percent. The risk for pre-eclampsia also increases.

KALISH: The overall risk of having pre-eclampsia, which is high blood pressure in pregnancy, is about 7 percent. However, in women who are over 40, this can be as high as 25 percent or greater.

FORTIN: In your 50s, what was once impossible is now possible thanks to in vitro fertilization and donor eggs. But it's always a high risk pregnancy and a lot of stress on an aging body. It's also rare. Only some 300 50 to 54 year olds in the United States give birth each year.

As for Nora, she says she's done with having babies, taking care of two children is tough, no matter how old you are.

PHEMISTER: It's a consuming job and whether you have the energy or not, you have to do it.

FORTIN: But look at the rewards.

Judy Fortin, CNN, reporting.

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HARRIS: All right, coming up, bad news. Bad -- sorry to say it, but it's true -- bad news for Pluto. It might not be a planet after today. We'll explain. And later, if the housing market is cooling off, should you buy or sell?

Some advice still ahead on AMERICAN MORNING.

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