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Should Muslims Speak Out?; Tancredo Pushes Immigration Reform

Aired September 5, 2006 - 19:00:00   ET


GLENN BECK, HOST: Coming up, our security measures. They`re actually creating more terrorists, and I have that on good authority. Two people said that. One was the former president of Iran over the weekend, and the other was a beauty pageant winner. So, we`ll give you details.
Also, Bo Derek is going to be here to tell -- tell me about life as a Hollywood Republican. Yes, she`s the one. Next.

OK. What makes this show unique is we`ll say things here that you`re not going to hear anyplace else. And it may be because I`m too stupid, but I -- you know, people are afraid to say things, what they`re really thinking. Let`s just -- let`s just call a spade a spade.

Here`s the deal. I`m going to -- I`m going to tell you something. You can`t take it out of context. You need to listen to the whole thing. So I`m going to make a deal with you. You give me five minutes tonight, and I`ll explain this. But if you can`t give me the next five minutes, change the channel right now.

All right. Here it is. Tonight`s exclusive. In 10 years, Muslims and Arabs will be looking through a razor wire fence at the west. Here`s how we got there.

Recently, the first Muslim to be crowned Miss England warned that stereotyping members of her community is leading other Muslims towards extremism and terrorism. She said, quote, "Even moderate Muslims are turning to terrorism to prove themselves. They think they might as well support it, because they`re stereotyped that way anyway," end quote.

Thanks for the insightful geopolitical analysis, teenage beauty queen.

Let`s just say I was profiled as a pedophile and every time I went to Disney World, the Disney police would stop me and say, "Uh you, not so much." Here`s what I would do. I`d be annoyed. I`d probably stop going to Disney World, and I might even start hanging out with other people who were having the same kind of problem, provided they weren`t actual pedophiles.

I wouldn`t ever, however, say to myself, "Ah, you know what? Everybody thinks I`m a pedophile anyway. I might as well start downloading child porn and start molesting kids."

Why wouldn`t I do that? Because I`m not an actual pedophile or child molester, but according to Miss England`s logic, I`d be perfectly justified in doing so.

This is a great example of why I think since 9/11, Americans have gotten so fed up with the "yes, but" Muslims. The "yes, but" Muslims are the ones who show up on talk shows and in the media and say, "Yes, terrorism is bad, but" -- and then they go through a list of reasons on why we should try and sympathize with people who fly planes into buildings.

I also hear a lot about Islam being a religion of peace, that terrorists aren`t true Muslims. Fine. OK. I believe that. But if you do accept that, then you can`t really go along with Miss England and the rest of the "yes, buts" and say, "Oh, gee, maybe it is our fault. We`re making good Muslims go bad." Which is it?

You, Miss England, are either spot on, as the British say, or you`re dead wrong, because if, God forbid, there`s another attack, we won`t have anymore patients for the "yes, buts."

The Muslim community better find a spokesman who isn`t a "yes, but" Muslim. They shouldn`t even understand the word "but", because if they don`t, when things heat up, the profiling will only get worse, and the razor wire will be coming. That`s why.

Tonight, here`s what I know. We are sick and tired of the "yes, but" crowd. I don`t even care what precedes it. There`s no excuse for flying planes into buildings, kidnapping journalists and random beheadings.

You want the profiling to stop? Then here`s an idea. Stop murdering innocent people. Stop excusing the people who do. You do that for a while, and I guarantee you won`t have anymore any more problems at the airports. Stop blowing stuff up and the world just might be your oyster.

Otherwise, it`s going to be like that movie "The Siege". You remember that movie? The Muslims will see the west through razor wire if things don`t change.

I also know the Muslim community is in trouble. Everybody seems to be in denial. It`s been reported that the FBI may be testing for radiation outside mosques in Dearborn. Is that the way Muslims want to live? I don`t think so.

Look, I`m not saying all Arabs and Muslims are anti-American. Far from it. We should get to know these people and embrace the good Muslims, and eliminate the bad ones.

Here`s what I don`t know. I don`t know if the Muslim community will ever step to the plate like the Japanese-American community did during World War II. You know, it was absolutely disgraceful how we rounded innocent people up then and, sadly, history has a way of repeating itself no matter how grotesque that history might be. The Muslim community can prevent this if they act now.

But I also don`t know why Muslims everywhere aren`t kicking up dirt over what Miss England had to say. If Islam truly condemns terror, then why isn`t anybody coming out and saying, "No matter how bad things get, our religion forbids terrorism, period"? To the casual observer, the silence makes her appear to be right.

Walid Phares is a terrorism expert, the senior fellow at the Foundation of Defense of Democracy.

Walid, welcome back to the program. Is Miss England right or wrong?

WALID PHARES, TERRORISM EXPERT: Look, if I am screened at the airport, I`m a Middle Easterner, born in the Middle East. I wouldn`t feel anything wrong, because I know I`m part of the society that has been targeted.

BECK: Right.

PHARES: The problem with the statement of Miss England with which I disagree slightly here is that she has been under the influence of spokespersons in the community who are trying to bring the community into the conflict.

The conflict is not about the community. It`s about an ideology clan within the community that has been recruiting for the last 20 years and taken the control of the political culture of that community. And that`s where the real war of ideas is.

You need to have Muslim moderates, Muslim activists who are going to say, "We are not just against terrorism in the principle, but also against al Qaeda, against the ideology of jihadism." Once you have that, I think the issue won`t be about the community, but about the terrorists themselves.

BECK: OK. Walid, let me ask you, extraordinarily politically incorrect question. If I were flying with you on September 18, 2001, and I saw you come on board, just -- just the worst part of me only based on what you look like, I would have thought to myself, "Uh-oh, have we checked this guy?"

Now, you experience this every day, just based on what you look. Is there anything that could happen to you that you would start to say, "You know what? I might as well start blowing up planes"?

PHARES: No, of course not. I mean, it is up to my psychology, to my culture, to how I see the world.

BECK: Right.

PHARES: I would say -- I would say, these jihadists are causing this community so much trouble. So, look around me to find as many people like myself to redeem.

BECK: OK. So then let me go back, because you said you -- I don`t remember your exact phraseology, but you said you slightly disagree with Miss England on this one. What is it -- what is it that you agree with, what she said?

PHARES: Well, I understand why she`s saying it. I disagree with what she said. She is under the pressure of ideologues, of radical clerics. She doesn`t have another alternative in the community. She doesn`t have people who are saying, "No, that`s not true. We in the community need to fight against the terrorists, fight against the jihadists." So that`s her problem. She`s trying to do as much as she can, but the arguments are not really true.

BECK: So who are these people? Because you know, it`s not -- you know, it`s second generation. I mean, these are people who have grown up in these communities. You look over in England. They`re English.

Who are these people? How do we find them? Because profiling is just -- you know, profiling would pick you out. And that`s ridiculous. We`ve got to go deeper than that. How do we find them, before the airport?

PHARES: The problem -- yes, way before the airport. You`ve got to go to the school, to the madrasahs, to online and to elsewhere. We need to blame ourselves just a little bit for the last 20 years.

The jihadists have been infiltrating the west in general terms, the United States, England and elsewhere, implanting their radical ideology deep down into the first and second generation of these communities.

And now what we`re seeing is just the result of so many years of indoctrination, mobilization. The problem is that we haven`t started or began the real war of ideas to find out the moderate Muslim help them.

BECK: So well, who are they?

PHARES: Well, there are plenty of Muslim organizations who want to fight jihadism and terrorism. The problem...

BECK: Boy, how come I don`t see them on television? If you`re one of those organizations, you have an open invitation to this program. You let me know. I will help you get that message out.

PHARES: I am an academic. But I know that there are organizations. The problem, my friend, is, for the last many, many years, this government -- all the governments in the United States and in Europe have been inviting the radicals.

I mean, the White House, House of Commons in England and even in France have been dealing with the radicals, thinking of the radicals they`re going to change their mind or cooperate with governments and have marginalized the moderates. That`s the problem we`re in now.

BECK: You say that as we have, on our own U.S. soil, an enemy of our state. We have the former Iranian president here, speaking at the National Cathedral in Washington and Harvard University.

I mean, point well taken and point made. Thank you. Walid Phares, I appreciate your time, sir, and we`ll talk to you again.

All this talk about terrorism, there is one thing that is missing. And that`s Hezbollah. I mean, whatever happened to those guys? We don`t hear much about them anymore.

And now, a message from Hezbollah.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After a very most successful terrorist campaign, sadly, we at Hezbollah are no longer getting the media attention we crave - - I mean, deserve. What happened? The following individuals are held personally responsible. Isn`t it about time you came back to Hezbollah?

At Hezbollah, we are working harder to be your terrorist organization of choice.



BECK: All right. Coming up, the Republicans have just lost the next election. They -- they made their stand on immigration. We`ll tell you about that.

Also, Steve Irwin`s final moments caught on tape. Should we see it?

And Bo Derek. I mean, do I need to say any more than that? Really.



BECK: Republicans have put immigration on hold. They set aside work on immigration. The reason why they say, because we need to work on security in the first place. That is security. That is security on multiple levels.

What, can you guys -- have you ever heard of the "I can chew gum and walk at the same time?" Hello, Washington, can you walk and chew gum at the same time? Apparently not.


BECK: You know, my invitation never showed up. I don`t know. Did you check your mailbox? Apparently, yesterday supposed to be a day for the immigrant -- the immigrant rights supporters to get together and tell the rest of us how racist and hateful we are for not being more sensitive to the rights of undocumented workers.

Conveniently, these rallies took place on Labor Day, I guess to underscore the importance that these deportable immigrants have on our workforce.

Looks like I wasn`t the only one whose invitation went missing in the mail. In Los Angeles, where 400,000 people rallied in May, 400 showed up yesterday. In Phoenix, 900 made it out. In Dallas, a whopping 500 people took time away from their busy schedules to tell us how ashamed of ourselves we should be.

All of this, of course, came on the eve of Congress returning to work today, still gridlocked on passing -- you know what? That`s misleading. That`re not gridlocked. They`re not going to do anything. Neither side actually cares -- cares about this. No meaningful legislation to fix the immigration problem is coming.

Tom Tancredo, he is the congressman from Colorado and chairman of the U.S. House Group for Immigration Reform.

Hello, Tom. How are you?

REP. TOM TANCREDO (R), COLORADO: How are you doing, Glenn?

BECK: Very good.

Let me -- let me just start with are the Republicans out of their mind? They just lost the election.

TANCREDO: I know where you`re going with this. And buddy, if we don`t do something significant, I can certainly understand the kind of frustration that would be -- that would be shown at the polls.

BECK: How are they -- how are they not tying this into security? Economic security, as well as homeland security.

TANCREDO: Homeland security. Well, because they can`t arrive at some sort of proposal that will gather both the Senate views, the president`s views and the House members` views, they`re figuring, "I can`t do anything. So, let`s eventually -- let`s just try to move away from this all together, concentrate on the things that everybody knows we can do and the things that will get Americans to, hopefully, vote for us."

And those things, of course, all revolve around the issue of security. But, as you just said -- and I certainly agree -- I don`t know how you can avoid the discussion of homeland security -- I mean, of immigration, when you talk about homeland security. It`s one in the same as far as I`m concerned.

BECK: What`s it like to be one of the most hated men in America? I mean, you are -- you are -- people either love you or you are the biggest race -- you might as well sew yourself a hood, because you`re a racist. Do you know what I mean?

TANCREDO: Right. You get used to it, I guess, after a while. In your business, the same thing of course, occurs, I`m sure.

BECK: Yes.

TANCREDO: You`ve heard a lot of ugly things thrown at you. It`s -- look, it`s pretty simple from my point of view. I know who I am and I know what motivates me, and I know it`s got nothing to do with race or ethnicity or everything else. I know it`s got everything to do with what I believe is the best for this country.

As long as that`s the case and, you know, it`s been the way I`ve operated now for 30 years of my public life. Nothing is going to change it, no matter how many nasty, nasty names I`m called. You just have to make sure you understand, that`s part of the business we`re in.

Remember that great line in -- what was it, "Road to Perdition". You know, when the guy tells -- they`re in the mafia and one guy says to the other guy, he says, "This is the life we have chosen." Well, you know, I don`t want to compare Congress to the mafia, but this is the life we have chosen.

BECK: Right. Right. No, nobody would -- nobody would compare Congress with the mafia. Not at all.

TANCREDO: Your last -- your last guest was talking about how -- and your question to him about how could it be that somebody could be stereotyped.

BECK: Yes.

TANCREDO: And not fall into the trap of doing whatever it is that the stereotype portrays. I`m 100 percent Italian. And even though, frankly, I know there`s a great popularity to the program on HBO, the reality is, I`ve never, even though I`m 100 percent Italian, I must tell you, I`ve never had the inclination to go out and join the mafia.

BECK: Right. Well, you haven`t whacked anybody -- yet.

TANCREDO: No, I haven`t. And you know, I guess the closest thing I`ve come to doing things that are politically incorrect or in any way subject to that kind of criticism is be a member of Congress.

BECK: Right. So Congressman, do you believe -- because I really believe that we`ve got -- we`ve got five things that are facing us right now. You know, I`ve been saying on the radio show for a while that we have a perfect storm aligning against the west. And one of those points is illegal immigration.


BECK: I mean, this thing is going to hammer us. Do you believe that we are possibly facing the end of the west if we don`t wake up soon?

TANCREDO: Glenn, I just -- you know, I just finished a book. It`s out. It`s called "In Mortal Danger". Why I wrote the book and why I titled it that is because of exactly what you`ve said.

It is not the issue -- all the issues that we`ve been discussing about immigration, the impact on jobs, the impact on schools, the impact on our hospitals, all those things are true. But they are far from the most serious impact of mass immigration, both legal and illegal immigration of people who don`t want to be Americans.

And when that -- when that group comes into this country and they sort of mesh with what I call the cult of multiculturalism in America, the "I hate America crowd", it`s been there -- it`s been on our campuses for a long time. It`s now part of our society. When those two can connect, I`m telling you, we are in mortal danger. The west is at stake.

BECK: Representative, we would love to have you -- we would love to have you spend more time, maybe on the radio program. Thank you very much. Representative Tancredo.


BECK: Every day, you can hear my radio program on stations all across the country, including 830 KLAA, new station in Los Angeles and 850 WTAR in Norfolk, Virginia. Dave Glover on our affiliate in St. Louis, KFTK 97.1 FM.

Hello, Dave.

DAVE GLOVER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Glenn, how are you doing, buddy?

BECK: Pretty good. I got hammered today for what I said about the Crocodile Hunter.

GLOVER: I heard that. We were about to go into the same belly of the beast. I`m about to talk about it myself.

BECK: Really? I -- you know why -- you know what I said? Who`s surprised by this? I mean, you know, I feel bad. He`s got a family and everything else, but he was wrestling crocodiles for a career.

GLOVER: You know, he seemed like a -- he seemed like a nice guy. I`m sure he loved his family. No one wanted to see this happen.


GLOVER: But this is -- to me, he`s the modern day equivalent of the guy 100 years ago would travel with the circus and put his head in a lion like Roy Horn. These are the kind of things that happen.

BECK: Exactly right. Exactly right. So is this politically incorrect to say -- to say this, coupled with, you know they have videotape of getting the dart in the heart.

GLOVER: You know what? It probably is. It probably -- my wife, who rarely gives me career advice, told me don`t talk about this. It`s too soon. I told her those kind of things don`t apply anymore when you put yourself in the public eye, like Steve Irwin did, made a lot of money from it. People are going to talk about it. But I -- I was surprised about what passion people have on both sides of this.

BECK: Well, here`s the thing that really bothered me. If you read any of the stories, they all said the same thing, that you know, this is the way he would have wanted to go. Who would -- who is swimming around thinking, "Geez, if I could just get a dart in the heart right now, that would be great." Nobody wants to go at 43 years old. That`s outrageous.

GLOVER: That`s the part that really got to me. Every local news station scrambling to get an expert on stingrays.

BECK: Right.

GLOVER: And you know they`re going to -- first of all, this video should never be seen by anyone.

BECK: It`s going to be.

GLOVER: Secondly, within six weeks it will be the most viewed video of all time. But the bad, sick thing is it`s not going to be on the Internet. Discovery will probably show it with a whole legion of professors. We all know, you can`t remind people enough not to swim with gigantic creatures with eight-inch poison talons. You know, people really...

BECK: Survival of the fitness. Here`s a guy who probably believes in evolution. These creatures are prehistoric. There`s a reason they survived. You know what I mean?

GLOVER: Very, very, sad death. There`s a guy today in Oklahoma who was killed by his own pet 14-foot python. You know, it`s kind of the law of averages.

BECK: Yes.

GLOVER: What this really speaks to are statistics. You wrestle enough crocodiles and stingrays and poisonous snakes, how do you think you`re going to go out?

BECK: Yes. So I agree with you on the video. You say that it`s going to come out, probably be on discovery. You know, I can guarantee you what`s going to happen. Because of the outrage, it will be the most watched video when it`s -- when it`s actually released. Everybody will want to see it. And it will always be put with somebody that will say, "Hey, if this just would stop one person from swimming with stingrays," like that`s an epidemic.

GLOVER: Right. There are people right now on Carnival Cruises getting ready to go swim with the stingrays. I don`t think we`re going to save anybody.

BECK: Right. That`s right. OK. Anything else happening in St. Louis we need to cover before...?


BECK: Nothing. Not a damn thing.

GLOVER: Not a damn thing.

BECK: You know, one of the -- one of the sponsors of the immigration rally in Chicago this weekend, your very own Miller Brewing Company.

GLOVER: That would be Budweiser.

BECK: Oh, that`s right.

GLOVER: But thank you for offending everyone in St. Louis.

BECK: That`s right. Talk to you soon.

GLOVER: See you, buddy.

BECK: Bye-bye.


BECK: All right. Welcome to "The Real Story". This is where we try to cut through the media spin to try to figure out why exactly we should all be paying attention to certain stories in the news.

First up tonight, Katie Couric made her big news debut on CBS tonight complete with a brand new set, new theme music from an Academy Award winning composer. I`m all atingle, plus a commitment for an exclusive interview with President Bush this Wednesday.

The real story is that you`re probably expecting me to make fun of Katie Couric right now, maybe talk a little bit about CBS` little problem with activist news and credibility. But I`m not going to do any of that, mainly because I already did that on the radio program.

No, the real story tonight is that I think CBS might actually be on to something. The bottom line is, the concept of a 6:30 national newscast to give you all the news of the day, dead. It`s been dead for a long time. In 1980, the three network newscasts averaged a combined 52 million viewers a night. A few weeks ago, they had about 22 million.

In the last decade alone, the ratings are down over 37 percent. The reason that shows like this one do well and -- hear me correctly. I said shows like this one, not this one. I mean, we`re a sham. The reason like this one do well is because you already know the news of the day. By this time of night you`re done. You`re looking for analysis and, yes, even the real story behind the story, not some button-down anchor reciting the same stories you read on the Internet four hours ago.

I actually think CBS may be the first to actually get it in the network news business. Now, this weekend, like a lot of parents, I brought my daughter to the college for the very first time. Ooh! We had some emotional moments, talking about old times and how proud I am of her, but the real story of my trip this weekend was that her math book -- are you ready? Cost $109. I looked at the person behind the counter and said $109? In U.S. currency? What, are you nuts? For a book about math? And it`s used?

When I asked about it at the book store, they told me, oh, well, sir, this is the new edition of the book. That`s why it`s so expensive. What? The whole point of math is that it never changes. It`s the only universal language. We put it on a spaceship on a little record and sent it out to the middle of the galaxy. Nothing ever changes.

So, here is the real story. The real story is, a recent study found that the most popular textbooks published new editions every three years. Editions that cost about 45 percent more than the used copy of the last edition. Hmm. The real story is there`s no reason to publish a new edition of the history of the Roman Empire. The empire is dead. Why are we publishing a new one every three years? But if they don`t, no one makes any money.

The real story is, in 2004, students spent almost $900 a year on about $78 worth of textbooks, and, finally, the real story is the only time these liberal universities and professors aren`t pushing for socialism is when they`re squeezing the blood out of you and me on textbooks and tuition. That`s the real story.

And finally, tonight, former Iranian President Khatami is in our country today, giving speeches, including an upcoming speech at Harvard University. Where he`s going to speak at a forum called, ironically, "The Ethics of Tolerance in the Age of Violence."

Listen to a clip of Khatami on CNN this weekend.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why should the west trust Iran?

MOHAMMED KHATAMI, FORMER IRANIAN PRESIDENT: Why should the West not trust Iran? That`s my question. See, at this moment, Iran is signatory to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, has declared many times it has no interest in building the nuclear bomb. All the inspections have shown there has been no movement toward building atomic weapons or bombs.


BECK: Well, if you signed a piece of paper then I completely trust you. The real story is, this is nothing more than a propaganda tour and we`re in it. We`ve been hooked.

For instance, Khatami conveniently left out of the answer the fact that Iran currently forbids the IAEA from doing short notice surprise inspections of their nuclear program along with the fact that Iran is the fourth largest producer of oil, which begs the question -- at least for simpletons like me -- why do they need a nuclear energy program in the first place? Build a refinery.

But forget about Khatami for a minute. Because I think that we really need to look at ourselves in the mirror. Why is it we`re allowing this man in our country in the first place? Why are we allowing someone who presided over the 1999 crackdown at Tehran University where peaceful demonstrators were beaten and imprisoned? Why is he coming over to speak at one of our universities?

Freedom of speech is an amazing thing. And I`m sure that some people actually think that by not allowing Mr. Khatami here, we`re doing exactly what we preach against, but ask yourself this question. Would we have allowed Joseph Goebels here to speak to our students on the eve of World War II? No. Our grandparents were smarter than that.

There`s a difference between allowing free speech and allowing free access to spew harmful rhetoric. Or maybe that`s just how Harvard sells a new $109 textbook that doesn`t include the meanings of evil, propaganda or enemy. That`s the real story.

Rabbi Abraham Cooper, he is the associate dean of Simon Wiesenthal Center. Hello, Rabbi, how are you, sir?

RABBI ABRAHAM COOPER, SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER: Hi, Glenn. I was going to suggest as a father of three, maybe they should drop some of those textbooks on the professors who invited Khatami.

BECK: What are we thinking with this? What is wrong with us?

COOPER: I think in case anyone misses the real point here, the current president made an announcement yesterday calling on Iranian students to purge the rest of the liberal professors left on their campuses. Somehow I don`t think it`s going to make it into the introduction at Harvard or any other speech here in the United States. There`s a need .

BECK: No, go ahead, sir.

COOPER: I was going to say, there`s a need for some -- when you have -- some people believe you can talk that evil cat out of the tree just by talking. And, you know, sometimes you have to confront evil with action, with a stick. Maybe not military confrontation but we just played right into the mullahtocracy`s hands.

This is a time when we`re supposedly searching for a unified approach on sanctions on this terrible nuclear program coming forward, and the fact of the matter is that we just played into his hands by giving him the free time to give the smiling uncle`s face.

BECK: Yeah. You know and I know, sanctions aren`t coming. The United Nations is an absolute joke when it comes to this. No sanctions are coming. You`re exactly right, we`ve made it worse. These guys are amazing chess players, and this is all coordinated propaganda. Don`t you believe?

COOPER: There`s no question about it. You know, I spent the day today here in Israel up in the northern communities at the hospitals that were hit with Katyushas, spent time with the first grader, her second day at school named Kadar (ph). Her mom was killed in front of her eyes at 2:00 in the afternoon in a Druze village in northern Israel by a Katyusha rocket that slammed into her head. That`s the reality here.

Hezbollah is the tipping point of the Iranian regime. You take a look and see the damage done by these rockets. I have to say if nothing else, they`re being honest about the previews they plan for Israel, the United States and other democracies.

BECK: It`s amazing. George Bush said in his speech today that he responded, President Tom, as I like to call him, said a couple of weeks ago, United Nations will bow down to us and President Bush responded today, we will never bow down in front of tyrants.

What I don`t think people understand -- maybe you can clear this up. Most people don`t understand that President Tom and President Khatami are really interchangeable. The real power is behind them in the clerics.

Absolutely. It`s the mullahs have a very short leash on all these guys. And of course, as a Jew, I would rather have someone like Khatami who doesn`t openly deny the Holocaust, doesn`t openly call for genocide, but on the other hand, we have the Shiraz 13 (ph) trial where a bar mitzvah teacher from that city was supposedly the head of a spy ring for Israel, and it`s just the smiling uncle or the guy who is the loose cannon. In the meantime, they`re running the clock out on the nuclear issue.

BECK: Right. I appreciate your time, sir. I personally would rather have the person he tells me he is a snake than have to have him smile at me like a smiling uncle. Appreciate your time from Jerusalem. That`s the real story tonight.

Time now to go straight to Hill, Erica Hill, the anchor of PRIME NEWS on Headline News. Hello, Erica.


BECK: I`m good. I had a rough weekend. I had to take my daughter into Stark College and it was .

HILL: Ooh.

BECK: It was tough.

HILL: Was that tough for you?


HILL: You`re happy? Kicking her out?

BECK: Right now we`re changing the locks and not sending her a forwarding address either. No, it was really tough.

HILL: I would think it would be.

BECK: What`s happening in the news today?

HILL: This is -- Well, you know, your daughter going to school, school is back in season, which means football season, of course. Back up. Barely under way and already one youth football coach is in trouble.

Get this. He was caught on video losing his cool during a game on Saturday. It happened in Stockton, California. The coach`s son took a late hi hit. From the left side of your screen, you should be able to see the man rush the field, he levels a 13-year-old boy. The coach could face child abuse charges, players and parents from both teams ran out to the field to make it all better and they all started fighting.

BECK: Unbelievable. I know you`re from Connecticut. I live in Connecticut currently. Do you know there is now a system where you go to these games and you`re not allowed to make a peep? You can`t cheer for your child or anything. Did you know that?

HILL: Really?

BECK: Yeah.

HILL: No, I didn`t realize. That`s just in the state of Connecticut because they`ve had so many problems?

BECK: Just in the state of Connecticut. Yeah, they`ve had so many problems. They`re trying it out. Maybe if we tell all the parents to shut up, we can enjoy ourselves. That`s how sick it is.

HILL: So sad.

BECK: Thanks a lot, Erica.

HILL: Thanks, Glenn.



BECK: The only people who are calling about Steve Irwin are the Steve Irwin freaks. Everybody else has a life. Who has time to call up a national radio program to comment about Steve Irwin when the guy is saying this isn`t the way he wanted to die. The guy didn`t want to die. Who wants to -- OK, sure. He was there like Jacques Cousteau. He`s swimming, thinking to himself, gee, it would be perfect if I dropped dead right now.

No! That didn`t happen. It`s the way he would have wanted to go.


BECK: The most ridiculous thing I`ve heard all day.

The year is 1979, Rod Stewart topped the charts with "Do You Think I`m Sexy?", superstar Gary Coleman taught us how to laugh and a pimply teenaged Glenn Beck was totally fixated by a braided beauty running down the beach in slow motion. The movie of course was "10." And it made Bo Derek an international icon.

She has now got a new show premiering this week called "Fashion House." She is part of a dying bred, she is a conservative in Hollywood. And proud of it.

Bo Derek, you and Barbra Streisand, you`re like this, aren`t you?

BO DEREK, ACTRESS: Yes, definitely.

BECK: You drive each other nuts? Do you ever see each other at parties?


BECK: I have so much respect for you.

DEREK: No, no, no, don`t say it that way. I don`t live in Hollywood. I don`t socialize there.

BECK: I have so much respect for you.

DEREK: That, I`ll take credit for. I live outside of the town. I honestly spend probably more time in DC than I do in Hollywood and in that circle. I`ve been out of the loop for so long.

BECK: So now you`re shooting television, a new TV show.

DEREK: I just finished 5:00 Wednesday morning.

BECK: Really? How was it?

DEREK: It was rough. It was a very difficult shoot.

BECK: Television is agonizing, isn`t it? I mean, I love it.

DEREK: Normally, it`s all right. This was 65 hours we shot in 13 weeks, it was this new way to try to get a lot done real quick.

BECK: Really?

DEREK: And it was grueling.

BECK: Now, you play -- if I`m not mistaken, did you see the movie "Devil Wears Prada"?


BECK: Let`s talk. I saw it. I love the movie. You play kind of the Meryl Streep role, do you not?

DEREK: I`m much worse. I`m so much worse. I actually get physically violent. You know, it`s a new format of television, which is kind of exciting, that a network -- it`s my network, and that they would commit to this new format in such a big way, as entrepreneurial and interesting to me.

And it starts tonight at 9:00. And it`s a brand new network. There have only been seven launches of broadcast networks in history. So, that`s interesting to be part of. And it`s five nights a week, an hour every night, two hour recap on Saturday in case you didn`t get it all. Then it runs for three months, for 13 weeks and then it`s over. And then my network will start another series that is a new theme, new cast.

BECK: Kind of the way "24" is built. Television is changing a little bit where they`ll run them all -- personally, I like it better. You kind of get it all done. You`re a slave to it for a while and then you move on with your life.

DEREK: And it`s sort of like reading a juicy novel. Ours is anyway, every night and then it`s over and you pick up another book. It`s interesting.

BECK: So can I ask you a question about "10" without you vomiting all over me?

DEREK: I`m fine. You can ask me about "10". Yes.

BECK: I would think in 1979 I would be thinking, if I were you, I would be thinking about shut up about that stupid movie. What I`m interested in is what was the pressure like for you to be -- you were "10." What was the pressure like?

DEREK: None. It was a part I played. I was young and ignorant.

BECK: Never?

DEREK: Never.

BECK: I mean, as you were .

DEREK: I was 22 years old. Blake hired me. It`s all his fault whether I pull it off or not.

BECK: No, I`m not saying that way. I`m saying here you are, the everyone`s image of a perfect 10 and as you saw your first wrinkle, did that freak you out at all?

DEREK: God, I would be in an institution now if that freaked .

BECK: A lot of women are.

DEREK: No, I never took it seriously. Never. I wasn`t -- I wasn`t even hoping to be an actress when I got the part. I was excited to go to Mexico where we. But still the business has always come to me. I`m very lucky in life.

BECK: Right. You were a model previously.

DEREK: My father worked for a motorcycle company and sail boats and modeled for him as a little kid. But that wasn`t the same.

BECK: Right. Do you think -- do you have children?


BECK: OK. Because I have daughters, and we`re actually going to talk to Jamie Lee Curtis about this, because she went through a lot of problems as a kid.


BECK: Do you think we`re sexualizing and looking -- you know, that our society is putting too much pressure on women and on girls?

DEREK: I don`t -- I`m not sure, because at the same time, girls are becoming -- they`re more in control of themselves. I don`t think they`re as easy to talk into things. I think they`re more empowered at the same time, being more aware. I`m not sure. The verdict is obviously still out.

BECK: That, I got to tell you, you can`t talk girls into stuff, that`s bad for people like me, because, you know, that`s all I had going for me, was to talk a good game. Real quick, because we only have 30 seconds. Real quick. Can a four date a 10 without money?

DEREK: Can a four date -- of course.

BECK: Liar. Liar.

DEREK: It all depends.

BECK: Liar.

DEREK: You have to have humor and intelligence, definitely.

BECK: And cash, OK. Bo Derek, thanks so much. Starts tonight. We look forward to it. Thank you.

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BECK: All right. Lots of hate mail about a conversation I had on the radio today about Steve Irwin.

Tara in Pennsylvania says Glenn, "Steve Irwin just died and you can`t rush to the radio to make light of it. You should be ashamed of yourself."

Tara, I wasn`t making light of the situation, it was tragic, it`s horrible, especially for the family. But Tara apparently isn`t the only person who missed that.

Vincent in Orlando wrote in, "Glenn, I listened to the radio show today and you have to help me out here. It sounded like you were trashing Steve Irwin. I love the show, so I know you`re not an idiot. What the hell were you talking about?"

All right. Vincent, here it goes. Most people are saying one of two things about Steve Irwin. Number one is, "This is way he would have wanted to go." Really? He wanted to die thousands of miles away from his family in a freak accident where a fish puts a dart in his chest right before his 45th birthday? Hmm. Well, let me go on record and say that`s not the way I want to go.

Have you ever seen "The Notebook"? There`s an exit plan. Lying in bed with my really wrinkly wife, right there in my arms at 325 years old. I personally would like about 60 percent less Alzheimer`s, but that`s just me.

The phrase, "This is the way he would have wanted to go" -- come on, that`s something that people who are still alive say to make themselves feel better

On the other side are those saying the second thing. Of course he died. He was stupid. I`ve got news for you. Steve Irwin wasn`t stupid. But let me show you a little resume, video resume, actually. There he is.

There is the snake bite to the face and the croc biting off his hand. For some reason they`re in slow motion. I don`t know why. Then the snake bite to the face again, then the boar warthog thing that`s eating a knee.

Look, the guy new he was putting himself in constant danger. It is literally his entire job description. He was filming a documentary called "The Ocean`s Deadliest." He knew the risks. He weighed them. And then he went ahead anyway. He lived to build a sanctuary for these animals and he`ll be remembered for believing in protecting animals more than protecting himself.

Or at least he believed in protecting animals when he wasn`t occasionally stopping by to wrestle them on camera which isn`t really the way I would protect them but, hey, I`m not an animal expert, I`m just a thinker.

You can hate mail me now at or you could, I guess, just sit back and think really hard about it and maybe I`ll hear you telepathically. After all, it`s the way Steve would have wanted it. Really.

RICHELLE CAREY, CNN HN ANCHOR: Hello, everybody. I`m Richelle Carey at the CNN Center in Atlanta. Thank you for checking in for your Headline Prime newsbreak. Funeral arrangements have not been announced for Steve Irwin, the name known as the Crocodile Hunter. But if the family wants one, Australian officials say there will be a state funeral for the world famous naturalist. According to his manager, there is video of Irwin pulling a stingray barb out of his chest before he died Monday.

Tropical Storm Florence is expected to strengthen as it churns out in the Atlantic Ocean. It could be a hurricane by Friday. Florence probably will not threaten land until some time next week.

New York law enforcement officials are stepping up their search for escaped inmate Ralph "Bucky" Phillips, he is suspected killing one trooper and wounding two others. Hunters are being warned to avoid that search area.

And secretary of state (sic) Donald Rumsfeld is recovering from elective surgery, he had to have a torn rotator cuff repaired. That is the news for now. Keep it here. Thank you very much for watching. I`m Richelle Carey.



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