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Bony Backlash; Anna Nicole Update; Kate Moss` Comeback
Aired September 21, 2006 - 19:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST: Startling new developments in the investigation of the death of Anna Nicole Smith`s son.
I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
BROOKE ANDERSON, CO-HOST: And Duchess of York Sarah Ferguson is here with her inspiring story of weight loss.
I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
TV`s most provocative entertainment news show starts right now.
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HAMMER (voice over): On SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, skinny models, skinny stars. Startling news that the ban on skinny models that started in Spain is spreading all over the world. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is all over Hollywood talking to the biggest stars about the weight debate.
SHERYL CROW, SINGER: I think it`s good. I don`t think skinny is beautiful.
HAMMER: Tonight, what the stars are saying about the runway controversy that has everyone asking, how thin is too thin?
Cameron Diaz versus the cameras. Cameron Diaz`s shocking claim that a photographer tried to run over her and her boyfriend Justin Timberlake.
Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with the inside story of what went down and how Cameron is declaring war on the paparazzi.
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ANDERSON: Hi there, everyone. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
HAMMER: I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
Look out and break out the milkshakes. The skinny revolt is picking up steam -- big-time. It began in Madrid. Models considered too skinny banned from a major fashion show there.
ANDERSON: Now SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you that the backlash against bony models is spreading around the world. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has been all over this story since it first broke. And we have been working fast and furious to find out what Hollywood`s biggest stars are saying about the great weight debate.
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ANDERSON (voice over): It`s the ban heard round the world. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has been all over this story from the beginning.
The city of Madrid, Spain, banning super skinny models from the nation`s biggest fashion show. Some in the fashion industry say that`s unfair.
CATHY GOULD, ELITE MODEL MANAGEMENT: I think it`s a bad thing because it`s discrimination against models that are naturally thin.
ANDERSON: And Hollywood stars like Debra Messing tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that it`s fabulous.
DEBRA MESSING, ACTRESS: I think it`s fantastic.
ANDERSON: Now SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell that you Madrid`s ban on skinny models is spreading like wildfire all over the world. And now the question becomes: will it affect Hollywood`s thin is in culture? A culture that actress Anne Heche tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT she struggles with every day.
ANNE HECHE, ACTRESS: I absolutely feel pressure to maintain. I`m on TV, and I want to be a face and body that people want to watch every week. So that`s just a reality of my job.
ANDERSON: In the ultra-competitive world of high fashion, models often go to great lengths to keep the weight off. Now supermodel Petra Nemcova is revealing that even she wasn`t immune to that pressure. She tells "People" magazine, "I`m naturally more curvy, so I always had to lose weight. I took laxatives. I went through all of it just to be able to model."
Madrid`s ban on models with a body mass index of under 18 is sparking debate worldwide, a debate that`s even reaching the fashion capital of Paris, where designers and models are thinking about adopting something similar.
MYRIAM SEGUY, FRENCH MODEL (through translator): I think it`s a good idea because we have to make a statement about the health of the girls.
ANDERSON: And these super-skinny fashion models had better stay out of Israel. Most of the country`s fashion retailers have now agreed not to hire super-skinny models for thei their ads and the country`s parliament is even thinking about passing a law to regulate the weight of models.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you similar debate is raging in London`s fashion community.
PAUL SMITH, DESIGNER: I don`t know where (INAUDIBLE), but I think because we are talking about it, it will probably start changing.
ANDERSON: Some are saying that healthier looking models could help stem the tide of young girls who starve themselves to look like their super-thin role models. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has been all over Hollywood tracking down the biggest stars to find out what they think.
GWYNETH PALTROW, ACTRESS: You want to sort of set a good example for young women who aspire to body shapes that they see.
CROW: I think it`s good. I`m a real advocate of health and health first, obviously. And, you know, I love being fit. I don`t think skinny is beautiful.
JENNIFER LOVE HEWITT, ACTRESS: I think it`s kind of exciting and good. And I hope people follow suit. I think there`s a place in the world for both. I think there`s room for really, really skinny beautiful people and really beautiful people who have a little bit of a butt. I think there`s room for both.
So, go, Spain.
ANDERSON: That pressure to stay thin resonates especially in Hollywood, where stars are subjected to unimaginable scrutiny over their weight and appearance. The stars who opened up to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT couldn`t say enough about the problem.
PALTROW: It`s gotten very skinny in Hollywood lately. It`s slightly worrying.
SELA WARD, ACTRESS: Looking at tabloids where there`s a magnifying glass in the picture and you actually see magnified cellulite of the star`s legs. I mean, oh, my god. What -- what has all this come to?
KATE WINSLET, ACTRESS: It really sort of messed me up for a couple of years.
ANDERSON: Kate Winslet tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT she struggled with weight issues as a young actress in Hollywood.
WINSLET: When I was much younger I -- I noticed coming into sort of Hollywood and starting to make movies, I was very aware of the fact that women in film tend to be on the kind of slighter side. And I just at that point thought, well, I`d better kind of follow suit then.
ANDERSON: So with models, Hollywood actresses, teenaged girls and millions of others struggling with some body image issue, stars like Gwyneth Paltrow are hoping that a fashionable trend toward being and looking healthy will someday trump the pressure to being skinny.
PALTROW: I think the key thing is, you know, health above all. And you -- at a certain body mass index, you know, women stop menstruating and they start eating away at their bone and muscle. And it`s really unhealthy. I mean, I`m all for being in shape and not being excessively corpulent, but I think, you know, there`s a limit to how thin girls should -- should -- should go.
WARD: And I think we do have a responsibility to be role models for younger women to love ourselves. That includes our body.
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ANDERSON: Very well said, Sela.
As you saw, many stars told SHOWBIZ TONIGHT they support the idea of banning models who are too thin.
But A.J., some of them point out that the last thing they want to see is discrimination against naturally thin models. Again, the goal here is for everyone to look and be healthy.
HAMMER: Smart words. We are hearing that a lot.
Now onto someone who`s become iconic for helping people lose weight, Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York. The duchess has been the face of Weight Watchers for almost a decade now.
It`s a pleasure to welcome you back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Sarah.
SARAH FERGUSON, DUCHESS OF YORK: Thank you. It`s really good to be here.
HAMMER: It`s great to see you.
You have helped so many people for such a long time, so I`m curious to get your perspective on this skinny model ban. It started in Madrid. Now it look like it`s going to spread elsewhere.
Are we on the right track with something like that?
FERGUSON: At last. At long last. It`s high time. You know?
OK, then you go to the other end of the spectrum where you have epidemic obesity all over this country and in the U.K. and everywhere in Europe. I think it really is time that we get a happy, balanced lifestyle going here, and we can do it. It`s portion control on the obesity side, but on skinny models, it`s time, because it`s very difficult, especially my teenage daughters. They look at that and say, "I want to be like that. That must be the way to be."
But, you know, I go to a fashion show and I just go, "Give her a good steak."
HAMMER: And even -- even with that -- yes, exactly. And even with the ban, even with this new measure, they are saying at 5`9", the models -- it`s OK if they weigh 122 pounds. Still, for most people, that`s very unrealistic.
FERGUSON: Very unrealistic. When I heard that, I tried to work it out back in stones back in Britain. I realized you still have to be very, very, very thin to manage that.
But on the other hand, it`s mini steps, and like anything which is really, really good, someone has to start it. And it`s started now. So we are on our way. Baby steps, and hopefully one day it will be OK just to have a few more curves.
HAMMER: Yes, you have to start somewhere.
FERGUSON: And also, you know, the most important thing, let`s not shrink to fit. Why -- why can you not just be OK as you are?
I mean, we`re saying be healthy. Right?
HAMMER: Yes.
FERGUSON: So, as long as you`re healthy and your -- heart disease is kept down -- I mean, 92 percent of women in this country don`t need to get heart disease. Why do they get it? They simply don`t know what to do. What to do: water, exercise, and keep your portion sizes down, and good nutrition.
HAMMER: Much more realistic than perhaps that 122 pound weight at 5`9".
Are some of the stories you`ve been hearing and some of the goals that the people you have worked with have been obtaining throughout the world -- I mean, you`ve spoken to so many people and so many of these stories are just amazing and more of what the everyday American can relate to.
One in particular really stood out to me and just made me smile was Shannon. Tell me about her.
FERGUSON: Oh, Shannon, she`s so brave. She was very happy. She`s a beautiful, beautiful lady. I mean, she really is, and she`s got these beautiful eyes.
And suddenly one day she got MS and she was just paralyzed. That`s it.
HAMMER: A young woman in her 20s.
FERGUSON: But she was completely floored.
HAMMER: And we`re seeing her now. That`s Shannon.
FERGUSON: And she wasn`t able to walk. She was paralyzed. That`s it. Throw away the key.
And she said, "No, I`m going to beat this. I`m going to fight it." And she put on so much weight. And she said, "No, I`m going to beat that, too."
And she`s having all these pills and everything else that goes with it, and yet she could never walk again. She got out of her wheelchair, lost the weight, got out of her wheelchair and walked up to me at the Weight Watchers inspiring women`s contest, walked up to me and said, "Hello, I`m so pleased to be here to see you."
HAMMER: And we`re seeing that shot now of her, you know, not only walking and standing, but really at a reasonable healthy weight.
FERGUSON: There`s no question about it. She has got her life back, and Weight Watchers embraced her.
HAMMER: And kind of the idea of, if she could do it anybody can do it. And I`m curious, with all of the people that you speak with -- because certainly you have spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, who have struggled with this -- what is really the most common issue faced with weight loss?
FERGUSON: Comfort eating. Nowadays, if you say, "Oh, come for my birthday, we`ll have birthday cake, oh, go on, it`s just my birthday, eat it" -- so everything is about food, celebration, and it`s fun. You know? And so people now forget that food is there to nurture the body.
If you had a Ferrari, would you put diesel in it?
HAMMER: Absolutely not. That`s a very good analogy. I appreciate that.
FERGUSON: Well, it`s short and sweet because I know I`ve got to get off.
HAMMER: Yes. Well, it really makes a lot of sense to me. You put it in a language I can understand.
FERGUSON: Yes.
HAMMER: Sarah Ferguson, I`m so thankful for all the work that you do and I appreciate you joining us, as always.
FERGUSON: Thank you so much.
HAMMER: And this leads us right to our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." We want to hear from you on the topic body image: Is Hollywood to blame for eating disorders?
Let us know what you think by voting at cnn.com/showbiztonight, or e-mail us at showbiztonight@cnn.com.
ANDERSON: The girl who pulled off one of the biggest Internet hoaxes revealed. She got thousands of fans playing "lonely girl," but she was hiding a secret, and that`s coming up.
HAMMER: Plus, brand new developments in the tragic death of Anna Nicole Smith`s son, including what the death certificate says.
We have the latest, and that`s coming up.
We`ll also have this...
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HECHE: I absolutely feel pressured to maintain. I`m on TV and I want to be a face and body that people want to watch every week.
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ANDERSON: Anne Heche sounds off about the pressure to be thin in Hollywood and about her new TV series. It`s coming up in the interview you`ll see only right here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. This is TV`s most provocative entertainment news show.
I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
Well, it`s time now for another story that made us say, "That`s ridiculous!"
It`s about a break-in at a Domino`s pizza store in North Carolina. These two guys broke into the store, but not to steal anything. They turned on the oven and made themselves three orders of Domino`s new oven baked brownie squares. You are looking at the commercial for them right now.
They followed the directions, even putting powdered sugar on top, and were hanging out eating the brownies when police came through the door. They say breaking and entering charges, although it sounds more like breaking and baking, to me.
Munchies, anybody?
By the way, you can get the brownies for free when you order a pizza.
Now, "That`s ridiculous!"
HAMMER: Tonight, a shocking new twist in the Anna Nicole Smith case. Smith`s 20-year-old son Daniel tragically died in Smith`s Bahamas hospital room just days after she gave birth to a baby girl. The mystery has deepened on a daily basis since the tragedy struck.
With us tonight, Court TV news anchor Ashleigh Banfield.
Good to see you, as always, Ashleigh.
ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, ANCHOR, COURT TV: Good to see you.
HAMMER: All right. So, the death certificate was issued today, but strangely, no cause of death was listed on the certificate. How unusual is that?
BANFIELD: Not that unusual, because they are still waiting for some results to come back from other toxicology reports. What I think is more fascinating in this case is what the first toxicology report said wasn`t there, and what wasn`t there is what we thought all might be there, overdose of barbiturates or alcohol, those sorts of things.
HAMMER: Yes. It was called suspicious at first. There was talk of impaneling a jury to investigate the whole thing. And now the Bahamian officials are now saying, no, it looks like that`s not going to happen.
Why -- why such a sudden turn and about-face on that?
BANFIELD: Well, there may be some interior politics going on. Let`s not forget the damage that was done to Aruba in the press regarding the Natalee Holloway disappearance. And there may be a tourism issue here.
The Bahamas does not want to come across as the next Aruba. So perhaps they wanted to cross every T, dot every I, suggest the inquest right away, and didn`t expect the backlash from the people there saying, we`ve been waiting for an inquest for years. How dare you fast-track this one.
HAMMER: But it`s interesting that the first autopsy didn`t find any foul play, supposedly. Both autopsies ruling out suicide. So what would be left? And why has it taken so long?
BANFIELD: Well, that`s a very good point. I spoke with Cyril Wecht, who performed the second autopsy. He was the private coroner who was brought in by Anna Nicole. And I just -- just spoke with him shortly -- just a few moments ago.
And he talked a little bit about how he truly believe that this won`t be a mysterious death. We won`t have no resolution. We will eventually likely have resolution.
He believes it`s really a heart condition more than anything. And he spoke with the forensic toxicologist who performed the toxicology test. And the quote about whether this was, you know, a high level of Lexapro or whether this was a high level of Ambien, the toxicologist in the -- the toxicologist in the first case said, "If it were 10 times that level, I might have considered this to be a contributing factor."
So at this point, all roads are really leading away from some sort of an OD of any kind of drug. That`s how they felt about performing these tests. The way Cyril Wecht really feels about it, as though this is more perhaps a congenital situation.
HAMMER: Real quickly, I know in addition to the pathologist you`ve spoken to somebody else is close to Anna Nicole. How do they feel this whole thing is being played out? Because this is crazy and mysterious.
BANFIELD: Like anything with Anna Nicole, isn`t it a little crazy? But I just spoke with one of her dear friends who babysat Daniel. She says that her -- the attorney, Howard K. Stern, who is always the sidekick you see to her right or left or hanging on to her, has kept her very insulated, won`t let friends call, won`t return calls, is keeping her really away from everyone.
At the same time, she also said, "Let me tell you something about this kid Daniel. I know him, I babysat this child. He`s really the adult in the relationship."
He looks so down upon any kind of alcohol or drug abuse. He tried to get Anna Nicole on the straight and narrow. So she says, "I highly, highly doubt it would be anything like that."
At the same time, they are all grieving and mourning and they`re as confused as we are.
HAMMER: It is such a tough time. And we`re going to see it unfold, I think, very, very quickly once this latest bit of information comes forward.
Ashleigh Banfield, as always, thank you so much for being with us.
BANFIELD: Nice to see you.
HAMMER: You too.
ANDERSON: Model Kate Moss is really making a comeback. A year after being involved in a drug scandal, she`s all over the place again, and now she`s going to be a designer as well.
British fashion chain Topshop says Moss will design a collection for them. And it seems to be the icing on the comeback cake for Moss, who just -- so we just had to take a look back to see what a difference a year makes.
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ANDERSON (voice over): Kate Moss is perhaps among the most photographed women in the world. Known for her personal style, her waifish physique, and for popularizing a look that was once known as "heroin chic."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think she`s absolutely gorgeous.
MARY ALICE STEPHENSON, FASHION EDITOR, "BAZAAR": Millions of girls across this country in the world want to emulate Kate.
ANDERSON: On the street, in fashion spreads, magazine covers, and in ads everywhere this fall, Kate Moss has launched a Hollywood-sized comeback. This is the same model who just last fall found herself in one ugly real- life snapshot.
Last September, this picture of Moss allegedly snorting a white powder was splashed on the front page of Britain`s "Daily Mirror." It spread like wildfire across Web sites like gawker.com, and tabloids soon crowned her "Cocaine Kate."
Within days, a parade of companies dropped her from their ads. Retailer H&M called a campaign with the model "inconsistent with H&M`s clear dissociation of drugs." Others, like Chanel and cosmetics brand Rimmel, said they were "reviewing her contract," and Burberry deemed it "inappropriate to go ahead" with a planned campaign.
Without going into details, Moss issued a statement, apologizing to everyone she had "let down" with her behavior. Then she reportedly checked into rehab.
Many predicted the scandal would end Moss`s nearly 20-year long modeling career. But just one year later Burberry and Rimmel are back. And they`re joined by 12 other companies wanting Moss to pitch their products.
Virgin Mobile is just one of Moss` 14 advertising deals this season. The most she`s ever had at one time, according to her spokesman, who declined to comment further.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone in America loves a great makeover.
ANDERSON: Indeed. In the year before the picture surfaced, Moss made an estimated $5-million dollars. Her estimated income this year, approximately $17 to $20 million, more than three times her pre-scandal pay.
DR. JANICE CRAUSE, CONCERNED WOMEN FOR AMERICA: It`s an unfortunate message that`s sent to young people. And I think it`s very unfortunate that her career did take off instead of going into a nosedive after this episode.
ANDERSON: But fashion and advertising execs don`t seem to have a problem with Moss`s troubled past.
STEPHENSON: Kate since the very beginning of her career has been the "bad girl." So when it happened, was I surprised? No.
ANDERSON: Neither was Olivier Cassegrain, of French luxury brand Longchamp.
OLIVIER CASSEGRAIN, MANAGING DIRECTOR, LONGCHAMP: It was a rumor for many years, and the picture of her was basically not that much important. And we decided that it`s none of our business.
ANDERSON: Longchamp signed Moss shortly after she returned from rehab.
In her newest campaign, Moss appears in a five-minute Internet ad for Agent Provocateur lingerie.
SERENA REES, OWNER, AGENT PROVOCATEUR: Her professional life and her personal life are completely separate things. She`s amazing at her job. And she looks amazing in underwear.
ANDERSON: A sentiment apparently shared by many. The company`s Web site crashed from record hits the day after Moss made her racy debut.
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ANDERSON: Now, the line of clothing that Kate is designing for Topshop will launch in the spring-summer of next year.
HAMMER: So Britney`s husband is getting a new gig. We are going to tell you why you may soon be able to see a lot more of Kevin Federline.
Oh, goodie.
That`s coming up.
ANDERSON: Plus, Cameron versus the cameras. We are going to tell you how Cameron Diaz is fighting back against the paparazzi and the outrageous things she says happened to her coming up.
We`ll also have this...
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JEANNE MOSS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Oprah for president?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`ve got to be kidding.
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HAMMER: Oprah for president? Not everyone is thrilled with the idea, including Oprah herself. She`s suing a guy who wants her to run. We will hit the campaign trail coming up.
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HAMMER: Tomorrow, a snip here, a tuck there. Some stars just can`t seem to get enough plastic surgery, and not only is it potentially bad for them, it could be dangerous for the rest of us, too. The controversy over star plastic surgery, tomorrow on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
ANDERSON: Kevin Federline is sealing the deal as the face of a clothing line. You heard me right.
K-Fed has appeared in ads for Five Star Vintage clothing, and the company has chosen him again for its holiday line. Those ads will start appearing next month.
Now, the company says it`s sticking with Federline because of his renegade style. A spokesman calls him a maverick when it comes to his music, fashion and his celebrity.
HAMMER: A new Paris Hilton tape. No, not that kind of tape. We`ll tell you what she had to say coming up.
ANDERSON: Plus Cameron versus the cameras. We`re going to tell you how Cameron Diaz is fighting back against paparazzi and the outrageous thing she says happened to her.
We`ll also have this...
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HECHE: I absolutely feel pressure to maintain. I`m on TV and I want to be a face and body that people want to watch every week.
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HAMMER: Anne Heche sounds off about the pressure to be thin in Hollywood in the interview you`ll see only on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: And I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. This is TV`s most provocative entertainment news show.
HAMMER: Brooke, we`ve been talking an awful lot about the pressure that Hollywood seems to put on young women for them to be thin. Well coming up, actress Anne Heche is going to stop by, talking about her new television show and the pressure that she feels from Hollywood and because of what she does for a living to stay thin. That`s on the way in just a few.
ANDERSON: All right. Also, A.J, she was a lonelygirl on the Internet. Her story earned her thousands of online fans and friends. But it turns out she wasn`t so lonely after all, and she`s got a Hollywood secret: vast Internet hoax, and it`s pretty fascinating. Coming up in just a few moments.
But first, another one of the former "Friends" cast is officially divorced.
But before we get to that, has the paparazzi situation gotten so bad that photographers are trying to run down celebrities with their cars? That`s what Cameron Diaz and Justin Timberlake are claiming. The couple says the paprazzo (ph) nearly mowed them down in Hollywood after snapping their picture.
Joining me now from Los Angeles, investigative journalist Pat Lalama.
Hi, Pat.
PAT LALAMA, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: How are you doing?
ANDERSON: I`m doing well.
So Justin and Cameron are coming out of a friend`s house, and they say that suddenly, a photographer just pops up out of the bushes, out of nowhere, starts snapping away. Cameron claims he then got in his car, tried to run over her.
If this is true, it seems really frightening. What do you know?
LALAMA: Well, all right - there`s one other little detail that probably someone, either a defense attorney or prosecutor will find important: according to the police report that they filed shortly afterwards, when he jumped out of the bushes and started taking pictures, allegedly they chased him first. I don`t know whether it was a dangerous chase; I don`t what all the details were. But allegedly, they chased him first, and then he jumped into his case, and then allegedly literally mowed down Cameron.
What`s happening here - go ahead. Go ahead.
ANDERSON: Yes, just for the record, the photographer`s version is that they started getting aggressive. He feared for his safety.
LALAMA: Right.
ANDERSON: .and he got in his car.
LALAMA: Right.
ANDERSON: .to get away from the.
LALAMA: Right.
ANDERSON: .the bad situation.
LALAMA: Right. They - see, the important thing here, Brooke - this is what`s happening: in the old days, when they tried to use the old, Oh, it`s my invasion-of-my-privacy thing - well, those are civil issues. And they didn`t get anywhere, and there is a First Amendment. Let`s not forget.
What stars are doing now - and it`s very interesting, but it`s also - it`s a little bit controversial - they`re trying to use criminal attributions to what`s happening. In - in other words, what they would probably try to argue in this case is that that car owned by the paparazzi was an assault with a deadly weapon. So now they`re trying to use California`s criminal laws to get these guys away from them.
ANDERSON: Yes. We just had Lionel Richie on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. And as we know, his daughter Nicole is very familiar with the paparazzi. And Lionel told us, You know, somebody`s really going to get hurt here, before something happens enforcementwise.
Let`s take a listen.
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LIONEL RICHIE, SINGER: You can make the announcement right now, Leave me alone. I mean, look at Princess Diana. Leave me alone - it only made it - it only made it worse.
And so, you know, unfortunately - unfortunately someone`s going to get hurt before they pass a law - because it`s at least an invasion of privacy, or you have to be at least across the street. You have to be at least arm`s - it`s got to be. Because someone`s going to get hurt. You can see it; it`s in the making.
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ANDERSON: Pat, in fact, there is a new California law that holds photographers liable for damages if they engage in criminal behavior to take a picture.
But do you think that Lionel is on to something? That it`s going to take severe injury or death before there is tougher enforcement.
LALAMA: Well, right. And the very first laws that were ever brought up came right after the death of Princess Diana.
Again, remember, what they`re trying to do to put teeth into it without violating the First Amendment is criminalizing.
But you know what the problem is, Brooke? Here`s what it is: gone are the days when a - when the paparazzi were happy to get a red-carpet shot or - or, you know, maybe a wedding shot here or there. Now they want to catch the stars in very, very compromising positions. And they`ll do almost anything because that`s what people are paying for.
I don`t mean necessarily magazine buyers. But the magazines say, Get me then looking awful.
ANDERSON: Right.
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ANDERSON: They want to catch them when they least expect it. You`re right.
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ANDERSON: Very quickly - I`ve got to move on here, though.
Former "Friends" star Matt LeBlanc`s divorce is official. Pat, he and his wife, Melissa, called it quits - you know this - after just three years of marriage. By all accounts, an amicable divorce. But what`s interesting here is the reason behind the divorce. What do you know?
LALAMA: Well, you know, the thing - the things that we do know that are public, are number one, there`s a prenup. So she is going to have plenty of money and most of the dividing it up had to do with paying for the child, which he`s agreed to do very generously.
He allegedly fell in love with his costar. But there`s also talk of this stripper whom he claim - whom he was allegedly dillydallying with. But get this: he blamed the stripped for, you know, enticing him to put his hands all over her. And now she`s filed a suit against him.
So, you know what? Where - what happened to being a stand-up guy and taking responsibility for your own behavior? But I wish them all well. Especially (INAUDIBLE).
ANDERSON: I like the way that you put it: dillydallying with a stripper. Well, whatever happens.
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ANDERSON: ..that they`re all able to get on with their lives.
LALAMA: Absolutely.
ANDERSON: Investigative journalist Pat Lalama in Hollywood, thanks so much for joining us.
LALAMA: My pleasure. Bye bye.
HAMMER: I`m not even sure I know what she meant by that.
Paris Hilton isn`t that smart. Not our words - they`re actually Paris`, though we aren`t necessarily disagreeing with you, Miss Hilton. You see, there are these never-before-heard tapes out tonight where Paris is being questioned about the 2004 home robbery of controversial "Girls Gone Wild" producer Joe Francis. Police were just trying to find out what she had been told about this crime. And when she had a little trouble talking, she admitted she`s not the best witness because - quote - "like, I really - I don`t remember. I`m not, like, that smart."
Talk about a no-brainer. You`ll be able to hear more of this Saturday on "Dateline NBC."
Well, the idea of Paris Hilton for president - yes, that`s pretty dumb. But Oprah Winfrey for president? That might not be so nuts. In fact, there is a guy who wants to bring Oprah from Chicago to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Sounds like a really big compliment, doesn`t it? Well, Oprah, actually is threatening to sue this guy.
Here comes CNN`s Jeanne Moos out on the Oprah campaign trail for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Imagine this was Oprah in her inaugural gown.
OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST: We are buying you a house!
MOOS: How about the White House?
(on camera): Oprah for president.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got to be kidding.
MOOS (voice-over): Tell that to the guy behind this T-shirt and that bumper sticker.
PATRICK CROWE, NATIONAL DIRECTOR, "OPRAH FOR PRESIDENT": It will take a presidential "ah ha" moment.
MOOS: That`s the phrase Oprah herself uses to describe the moment when an idea calls her to action. Retired Kansas City teacher and car-wash owner Patrick Crowe put it on the cover of his "Oprah for President" book.
There`s only one catch: Oprah`s lawyers are telling him to stop all this. The Smoking Gun Web site got hold of the legal papers accusing Crowe of infringing on Oprah copyrights and trademarks.
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MOOS: Oprah has her own campaign song, even if she doesn`t know it. It`s on the Web site, where they don`t ask for dollars. They ask you to write on dollars: "Oprah for President," and put into circulation.
As for possible Oprah running maters: Dr. Phil for VP? That`s what Crowe once plastered on a car wash he owns.
DR. PHIL MCGRAW, TALK SHOW HOST: When she comes into a room, everybody in the room feels better.
MOOS: Other suggestion for VP: Hillary Clinton, or even Barack Obama.
(on camera): Oprah for president.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No way.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fantastic. She knows how to get things done.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don`t like Oprah. She`s just someone that seems really fake.
MOOS (voice-over): As a candidate, she`d have to avoid moments like the one recently when she fumbled trying to pump gas, saying she hadn`t done it since 1983.
WINFREY: Well this can`t be possible.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it is.
WINFREY: But you do it just one at a.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. No. No. You have to hold it. You just have to.
WINFREY: Well this is going to take all day.
MOOS: Sort of like when the first President Bush fumbled with a grocery scanner.
Patrick Crowe says that barring a court order, he`ll keep pushing for an "ah ha" moment.
(on camera): Oprah for president.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Better than George Bush.
MOOS: Anything else?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Much better than George Bush.
MOOS (voice-over): And though the campaign may bomb, Oprah wouldn`t.
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HAMMER: Oh, what a lovely little diddy. That was CNN`s Jeanne Moos for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
You want to read more about this presidential controversy? Just Google the words: "Oprah for president."
ANDERSON: Coming up, a lonelygirl with tons of online fans has a Hollywood secret. That`s coming up.
HAMMER: And Jessica Simpson reveals all the juicy details about an on-set date with costar Dane Cook. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is right there as she spills the beans.
We`ve also got this:
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ANNE HECHE, ACTRESS: It`s hard not to obsess sometimes. (INAUDIBLE). Oh gosh, what do I (INAUDIBLE). Oh, no, look at my nose. (INAUDIBLE) You know, it`s - it`s hard. You`re surrounded by it.
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ANDERSON: Anne Heche opens up about the pressure to be thin in Hollywood, and why people still want to know about her dating Ellen DeGeneres. That`s coming up in the interview you will see right here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Stay with us.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
It`s time now for another story that made us say, "That`s Ridiculous."
OK, so Michael Jackson - remember this guy? Well, we hear that he`s been hanging out in Ireland. Why, you ask? Well, the Gloved One supposedly wants to buy an estate, maybe even a castle, and turn it into a leprechaun- themed amusement park. He`ll need to find a serious pot of gold, though, to do it. A lot of reports out there say he`s broke.
Now we heard from Michael`s general manager, and she says that the Ireland theme-park reports are - quote - "untrue and ridiculous." We couldn`t have said it better ourselves.
But Michael Jackson, leprechaun theme park? Well, "That`s Ridiculous!"
HAMMER: It seems no matter what Anne Heche does, people just can`t seem to stop asking her about her past romantic relationship with a woman, Ellen DeGeneres.
Well, now Heche now stars in the new ABC show called "Men in Trees." She`s playing Maron, a relationship expert who moves to Alaska after she finds out that her fianc'e has been cheating on her.
Well, in real life, when it comes to guys, she`s happily married and a mom. But it`s Ellen that people always want to know about. And she doesn`t hold back when it comes to Hollywood and body image, either.
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HAMMER: So you`re just so excited about this role. It seems from everything I`ve seen, and when I`ve seen you talking about it.
HECHE: I am. It`s everything I`ve wanted. It kind of - when I chose to do TV, I wanted to do a dramedy. I wanted to be able to do what I love to do in drama. But I also did, you know, screwball comedy in " Twentieth Century" when I was on Broadway last year. And I was like, Wow, I got to do this more.
HAMMER: Yes.
HECHE: (INAUDIBLE) in years!
HAMMER: As long as it beats working for a living, right?
HECHE: Exactly. Exactly.
HAMMER: But you know, we`re always hearing actors and actresses ask if the role that they`re now involved with is similar to who they are in real life. But the truth is, with this character, it really couldn`t be any more polar opposite. I mean.
HECHE: Well why do you say that?
HAMMER: Well, I say that because you seem to be happily married; you have a son; you have what seems to be a very stable relationship.
HECHE: Yes.
HAMMER: And - and life.
HECHE: Yes. Yes. I do.
I think Maron and I are similar in terms of what we feel and what we believe. I think her voice is very clear. She`s a relationship coach. But her real thoughts, her - message is really about finding your own happiness.
HAMMER: For better or for worse.
HECHE: Yes.
HAMMER: .you certainly are well associated with the relationship that you had with Ellen DeGeneres.
HECHE: Yes.
HAMMER: But that`s, like, six years ago already.
HECHE: Yes, it is.
HAMMER: Yet people seem to talk about it.
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HECHE: Old news, man.
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HAMMER: .that`s what I feel, which leads to my point.
HECHE: Yes.
HAMMER: .because even - I saw you on Letterman the other night, and he wouldn`t let it go. He just.
HECHE: True.
HAMMER: .stayed after it.
Why do you think it is, all this time later, that it`s a subject that people continually harp on?
HECHE: Well, I think it changed the course of how people thought about sexuality, you know? For - not only with Ellen, who was coming out, and for the first time, you know, having a - a - an out TV star. And she was very open about her sexuality.
I was straight. I fell in love with her. I think it shifted how people thought of how we can be sexually and emotionally. And it`s confusing because it`s not like I had 10 people waddling behind me saying, Me too. Me too. Me too.
HAMMER: Yes. Exactly.
HECHE: You can love who you want to love. So I think, strangely, people are still digesting it.
HAMMER: Relationships nonetheless, particularly in Hollywood, not only easy. Don`t always last. We`re coming off what seems to be like the summer of splits, with Hilary Swank, with Carmen Electra, with Christie Brinkley.
Why do you think it is that it is so much more difficult to keep relationships healthy when working in that Hollywood environment? Because it really does seem to be correlated.
HECHE: Well, I don`t know if it`s necessarily just with Hollywood. I think the relationships in Hollywood get a view on them that other relationships don`t get.
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HECHE: But on the other hand, in a - in a - this society, where I think there are at least 50 percent of marriages that in divorce, partly what happens in - in my opinion is when two people have two different jobs and they go away to work and they work all day and they come home, they`re basically, you know, in a way, strangers to one another. If they had their whole day, they`ve been working in the lives of the other people that they`ve been with. And to readjust to that moment when you come together at night or at the end of a week or at the end of a few weeks after someone`s been traveling and been away, you have to relearn each other.
And I think it`s hard. I think it`s hard to have two careers in any marriage, no matter where you are.
HAMMER: And you have to work at it, and just depending on what the circumstances are. And you - you seem to have hit that on the head.
HECHE: Well, I - I am fortunate. When I got married, I - I knew that I wanted to start a family. My husband wanted to start a family. And he said, Well, if we want to do this in a healthy way, how can we do it? One of us has to choose a job, and one of us has to run the household. And I was certainly not going to run the household.
HAMMER: For - for reasons that we`re not even going to get into?
HECHE: I knew for sure that wasn`t the - that wasn`t my job.
HAMMER: A lot of attention on relationships in Hollywood, a lot of attention on body image in Hollywood, particularly lately, and it almost seems with a bit of a backlash about the images that are constantly coming out of Hollywood. The ban on super-skinny models over in Spain.
HECHE: Right.
HAMMER: People are really taking notice. We`re talking a lot about it.
Do you personally obsess about body image? Or do you feel that pressure to maintain because of what you do for a living?
HECHE: I absolutely feel pressure to maintain on them on TV. And I - I want to be a face that - and body that people want to watch every week. So that`s just a reality of my job.
I wouldn`t say I obsess, but I try to take care of myself. I look around; I see the images of women. I know what gets people hired, you know? I think it`s a part of the duty of an actor to be in the best shape they can be in, and - and hopefully has as many eyes on them, you know, that are pleasantly on them as possible.
It`s hard not to obsess sometimes. (INAUDIBLE). Oh gosh, what do I (INAUDIBLE). Oh, no, look at my nose. (INAUDIBLE) You know, it`s - it`s hard. You`re surrounded by it.
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HAMMER: Heche absolutely lovely and honest. And you can catch her in "Men in Trees" Fridays on ABC.
ANDERSON: OK. For awhile, there`s been tons of rumors swirling around about Jessica Simpson and her "Employee of the Month" costar Dane Cook hooking up after meeting on the set. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT was right there for the Hollywood premiere of the movie. And we finally got Jessica to spill it.
She did have a date with Dane.
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JESSICA SIMPSON, ENTERTAINER: I date (ph) with Dane Cook. We - as we were sitting on hammock, but it was freezing outside. Like, literally freezing. It was shaking cold, that it was thinking that I had the prosthetic ears on. And we had a really, really good.
DANE COOK, ACTOR: (INAUDIBLE). I have to cut in.
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ANDERSON: Dane cutting us off there.
OK, OK. Don`t hate us, but that was Jessica telling us about her favorite scene in the movie, not a real-life date. We hope daddy Joe Simpson doesn`t call us about that one.
Dane actually showed up at the "Employee" premiere with his real- life girlfriend, Raquel (ph). "USA Today" says they`ve actually been dating for two years, but Dane has wanted to keep his private life private.
HAMMER: Well, she`s the lonelygirl. She has thousands of online friends. But many are now really angry, because it turns out this lonelygirl wasn`t so lonely after all, and actually has a Hollywood secret.
Here`s Ted Rowlands for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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JESSICA ROSE, "LONELYGIRL15" ACTRESS:: Hi, girls. This is my first video blog.
TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The mystery of the lonelygirl started in June on YouTube, an Internet site where people submit video clips, often of themselves, for the world to see.
ROSE: My name is Bree. I`m 16.
ROWLANDS: Thousands of YouTube surfers were immediately attracted to Bree, a home schooled teenager who sat in front of her bedroom computer talking about her sheltered and sometimes mysterious life.
ROSE: The only friend I made the entire time was a dog.
MATT FOREMSKI, YOUTUBE.COM VIEWER: It`s just, like, lonelygirl`s confessional to the world.
ROWLANDS: People like 18-year-old Matt Foremski were drawn in by Bree hearing that her parents were overbearing and followers of a bizarre, unconventional religion. Then a friend named Daniel started to appear with Bree. He took her swimming and even coaxed her to sneak out to a party.
ROSE: I`m excited (ph). I`m going to go to party with (INAUDIBLE).
ROWLANDS: Within weeks, Bree had become an Internet video star. Her videos have been seen more than 2 million times on the Internet. And fans were now analyzing every detail of her video blogs.
ROSE: I (INAUDIBLE) putting for somebody who`s that thing and that thing. (INAUDIBLE)
ROWLANDS: But as more of her story unfolded, people started to wonder if Bree was really who she said she was.
FOREMSKI: That`s when the whole "she`s a fake" thing got rolling.
ROWLANDS: Matt and many others started investigating, and it came out that sure enough, Bree was an actress. Matt was the one that actually confirmed her identity, finding this photo on the Internet. Her name is Jessica Rose, a 19-year-old from New Zealand, who now lives in Southern California.
FOREMSKI: She`s compelling. She is a character people really can relate to.
ROWLANDS: Clay Goodfried, Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders are the co-creators of lonelygirl. They say their goal was to create an ongoing series using the Internet. They found Jessica through a want ad on Web- based Craigslist.
ROSE: It just didn`t seem, you know, the conventional way to get into the (INAUDIBLE) the business.
ROWLANDS: Jessica, who`s never done any professional acting, says she`s now she`s getting a stream of calls from Hollywood angels.
ROSE: I don`t know (INAUDIBLE) because, you`ll have somebody stalk me.
(SCREAMING)
ROWLANDS: But what about the thousands of people who thought they were watching a real 16-year-old girl, pouring her heart out on camera.
Fans on YouTube have posted a lot of reaction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a waste of my time. (BEEP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It doesn`t really matter if you`re a fake or not.
ROSE: They shouldn`t feel upset. Bree is going to continue, and the story is going to continue. So in a way, it`s - it`s still real if they just believe in it. If they just (INAUDIBLE) - you know, if they let it be.
ROWLANDS: The creators along with Jessica hope the thousands of people that have been following lonelygirl`s every word will stay tuned, even if she isn`t real.
ROSE: I hope you guys enjoyed that. Bye.
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HAMMER: A true sign of the times. That was CNN`s Ted Rowlands for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Well, you won`t have a lonely weekend if you spend it with us. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show can now be seen seven nights a week. So join us for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Monday through Friday and Saturday and Sunday at 11 p.m. Eastern, 8 Pacific.
ANDERSON: Last night, we asked you to vote on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." A movement and a way to put Oprah into the White House. So we want to know: "Oprah Winfrey: Should she run for president?" Very one-sided. Look at this: only 18 percent of you say "yes"; 82 percent of you say "no."
Here`s some of the e-mails we got:
Sandra from Ohio writes, "Oprah would be a breath of fresh air. She`s much more in touch with common people than the silver spoon politicians."
But Jarrod, also from Ohio, says, "Oprah Winfrey`s clich' political views belong on some bull (blank) bumper sticker. Just because she is decent at talking to housewives does not qualify her to run the country."
Hang tight. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is coming right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fade out (ph), music under. Stand by, Brooke. Pre-set 7. Dissolve LA, and go.
ANDERSON: We want you to sound off on tonight`s SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day": "Body Image: Is Hollywood to blame for eating disorders?" Keep voting at cnn.com/showbiztonight. Write to us; there`s the address: showbiztonight@cnn.com. We`re going to read some of your thoughts tomorrow.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. And it`s time now to see what`s coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, with your "SHOWBIZ Marquee."
Tomorrow, a snip there, a tuck there. Celebs just can`t get enough plastic surgery. Not only is it bad, it`s also potentially dangerous to the rest of us. The controversy over stars` plastic surgery tomorrow.
Also, he`s one of the biggest writers in Hollywood. I`m talking about "Basic Instinct"; "Flashdance"; "Showgirls." Now, Joe Eszterhas is writing about the Hollywood secrets of Brad Pitt, Michael Douglas, Julia Roberts and more. Joe Eszterhas on his new book, "The Devil`s Guide to Hollywood" tomorrow.
And that is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: Thanks for watching, everyone. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
Glenn Beck is coming up next, right after the headlines from CNN Headline News.
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