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Ed Bradley Dies of Leukemia; Still No Concession in Virginia Race; Bush Meets with Democratic Leaders; Pentagon Transition Begins; Afghan Army Faces Challenges; Bush Resubmits Bolton Nomination; Ted Haggard to Seek Spiritual Restoration
Aired November 9, 2006 - 13:00 ET
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kyra Phillips at the CNN World Headquarters in Atlanta.
DON LEMON, CO-HOST: And I'm Don Lemon.
And then there was one. One Senate seat undecided, or at least unconceded, but this could be the day we have undisputed -- an undisputed winner in Virginia.
PHILLIPS: We await a statement from the Republican incumbent, and apparently, well, the second place finisher, George Allen. When it happens, you'll see it live in the NEWSROOM.
LEMON: A close-up look at what happens in war. We take you inside a combat hospital for a perspective you won't forget.
PHILLIPS: And we say good-bye to a television pioneer. From Philly radio to "60 Minutes", the life and legacy of broadcast journalist Ed Bradley. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
Our developing story, the death of a journalism giant. Just a short time ago, CBS News announced the death of Ed Bradley. Bradley died of leukemia today at New York's Mt. Sinai hospital.
His legendary career began in the streets of Philadelphia, where he covered riots in the 1960s for local radio. His talents led him to CBS and network's pinnacle "60 Minutes". Much more on Ed Bradley as we go along.
In the meantime, CNN's Mary Snow joins us now from CBS headquarters live in New York -- Mary.
MARY SNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I lost my IFB.
PHILLIPS: Go ahead, Mary. Go ahead, Mary.
SNOW: Some very sad news here in New York, outside the headquarters of CBS. Ed Bradley, it was announced, died this morning of leukemia at Mt. Sinai Hospital. He was 65 years old.
Within the last hour, "CBS Evening News" anchor Katie Couric broke the news on CBS.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) KATIE COURIC, ANCHOR, "CBS EVENING NEWS": Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Katie Couric here in New York. And we have some sad news to tell you this afternoon that has left many here in the CBS family completely grief-stricken.
Ed Bradley, longtime CBS News and "60 Minutes" correspondent, died this morning at Mt. Sinai Hospital here in New York from complications related to leukemia. Ed Bradley was 65 years old.
He's been with CBS News for 35 years, 26 years as a "60 Minutes" correspondent, and began at CBS radio. His first job, though, after college, was as a sixth grade teacher.
He was born in Philadelphia. He was considered intelligent, smooth, cool, a great reporter, beloved and respected by all of his colleagues here at CBS News.
At one time, he was a White House correspondent and, as we mentioned, for the past 26 years, a figure -- a constant figure on "60 Minutes," which of course is a fine broadcast.
He was a fine reporter and brought his unique sensibilities to every story he did, whether he was interviewing sports figures or doing political issues.
Again, Ed Bradley died this morning at Mt. Sinai Hospital from complications due to leukemia. He was 65 years old. We'll have much more tonight on the "CBS Evening News". I'm Katie Couric, CBS News, New York.
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SNOW: Ed Bradley was the recipient of numerous prestigious awards in journalism. At one point, he was even considered a replacement for Walter Cronkite, but Dan Rather got that job.
As Katie Couric mentioned on CBS, Ed Bradley had joined "60 Minutes" in 1981, and some of his last pieces were aired in the last few weeks. On October 29, an investigative report he did on a Texas oil company, a lawsuit. Also, he did a report earlier this year, in this fall, on the Duke rape case.
Larry King, speaking earlier on CNN, said that he had not been looking well recently. But it was not well known whether his illness was widely known among CBS staffers -- Don.
PHILLIPS: All right, Mary Snow, out there in front of CBS News. We'll continue, of course, to talk about the life and legacy of Ed Bradley throughout this newscast.
LEMON: And we want to go now to our CNN correspondent, John Roberts. He's embedded in Baghdad with the 172nd Stryker Brigade. And he used to work alongside Ed Bradley at CBS News.
John, your thoughts for us this afternoon.
JOHN ROBERTS, CNN CORRESPONDENT/ANCHOR: Hey, good afternoon, Don.
I didn't exactly work alongside him. I sure wish I'd had the opportunity to do that, because it just would have been a tremendous learning experience. But you know, I did see Ed from time to time when I was working at CBS. He'd drop by the newsroom sometimes on Sunday when he was working on a big piece or at various company functions or award ceremonies.
And you know, the thing that I remember most about Ed Bradley was that he loved to laugh. You know, you rarely saw Ed without a smile on his face, when he was out in a public setting. And he was always telling great stories. One of my favorites I recounted to Heidi and Tony just a few minutes ago, about his interview with Muhammad Ali, which really, I think, was one of the really shining moments in his career.
And here's a guy who's won 19 Emmy awards, too, so he's got many, many, many shining moments.
Of course, there was also the interview that he did with the Oklahoma City bomber, Tim McVeigh, the only journalist to get an interview with him, and what he drew out of McVeigh about that whole incident was something, I think, that only Ed could do.
Ed just had this really incredible talent of being able to draw people out in interviews. You know, he had this almost casual style when he was interviewing, as opposed to -- you know, remember the classic Mike Wallace, where he was, you know, always really pointedly asking questions of people or sometimes almost jumping down their throats, looking for answers.
Ed had this sort of laid-back style where he would constantly probe people. And every time he probed a little bit more, a lot more would come spilling out. And that was really one of his great talents.
And of course the many, many specials that he did for CBS News, as well, on things like the AIDS crisis, issues like the AIDS crisis, just really showed Ed in his element. And his ability to be able to communicate to the world major stories that we needed to be aware of and needed to understand, was a testament to his abilities as a journalist.
As I said a moment ago, I wish I'd had the opportunity to work side by side with him, because I would be a lot better journalist than I am today if I'd ever had that opportunity.
LEMON: I think just about everybody in journalism, John, shares that exact same sentiment. We were talking about some of his earlier work. And very recently, a few weeks ago, we saw his story on the Duke lacrosse players, a very good report, very interesting report.
And then last week, we sort of wondered, just peripherally, why Lesley Stahl would be introducing a story that -- that Ed Bradley had done. And now we're trying to -- now, of course, we've learned that. ROBERTS: Right. Right. You know, Don, of course the nation and the world was well aware of the heart problems that he had several years ago, which really knocked him back. He had a serious problem with his heart, a bypass operation.
But the diagnosis of leukemia was something that was fairly close-held. I was very surprised when I got the call today that he had passed away from leukemia. When I was first told that Ed had passed, I thought perhaps it was the heart problem, had come back up again. But leukemia was something I guess he wanted to keep to himself, didn't want the world to know he was ill.
And that's, again, a real testament to Ed's character, that he wanted to work until the very last moment. Really wanted to go out with his boots on.
All right, that was very well put. John Roberts, embedded with the 172nd Stryker Brigade in Baghdad. Ed Bradley, dead at the age of 65. Much more coverage throughout the day on CNN.
LEMON: All right. That was very well put. John Roberts, thank you so much. John Roberts, embedded with the 172nd Stryker Brigade in Baghdad.
Ed Bradley, dead at the age of 65. Much more coverage throughout today right here on CNN.
PHILLIPS: Just one seat, but it's the tipping point for a Democratic takeover on Capitol Hill. CNN hasn't called the hard- fought Virginia Senate race for Jim Webb, and we don't know what GOP Senator George Allen will say at his 3 p.m. Eastern news conference. But even if Webb's not packing his bags just yet, well, we bet that he's got the suitcases out.
CNN's Jeanne Meserve has the latest now in Arlington, Virginia.
JEANNE MESERVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kyra.
You can't help but marvel at what a difference just a few months make. At one point, George Allen was considered a shoo-in for re- election. But all indications are that he may be about to concede this race. He has scheduled a news conference for two hours from now.
The Democrat, James Webb, has scheduled a news conference for an hour and 15 minutes after that. The campaign is not using the word "concession." But there are indications that that may be what Allen is going to announce. In part because of the canvass of votes here in Virginia and how that is going.
As of 12:15, 55 of 134 localities have reported back to the states the reports of their cameras. And Jim Webb's lead in this race has grown to 8,105 votes. Because the margin is so wide, Republican sources close to George Allen say that Republican leaders in the campaign and in the Congress have recommended to him that perhaps this is the time to concede in this race.
Indeed, a senior staff aide tells Andrea Koppel that the senator had a telephone conversation with some of his aides yesterday afternoon in which he thanked them for their service. He did not, however, say at that point, either, that he was going to concede.
Staffers are described as shell-shocked. But some members of Congress appear to be adapting to what appears to be the new reality. Republican Senator John Sununu (ph) gave an interview to CNN a short time ago, saying that Republicans in both houses were operating on the assumption that they would be in the minority when Congress goes back to the session.
Back to you, Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Jeanne Meserve, thanks so much. And don't forget: Senator George Allen plans a news conference in Alexandria, Virginia, 3 p.m. Eastern Time. We'll have live coverage right here in the NEWSROOM.
LEMON: Well, a little bit of crow, you might say. White House counselor Dan Bartlett joked about the menu today as the president meets for lunch with House speaker-to-be, Nancy Pelosi. Truth is, Republicans and Democrats both have a lot to chew on in the days ahead.
CNN's Elaine Quijano is at the White House for us, live -- Elaine.
ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, to you, Don.
Well, President Bush certainly trying to strike a conciliatory tone here at the White House, meeting over lunch with the woman who is set to become the next House speaker, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi.
Now earlier today, the president met with members of his cabinet, afterwards, made a statement to reporters out in the Rose Garden. The president essentially laying out some of his priorities, including wanting to get Congress behind what the White House calls the terrorist surveillance program.
Also noting the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. And he said that he was willing to listen to ideas when it came to Iraq.
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GEORGE W. , PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Whatever party we come from, we all have a responsibility to ensure that these troops have the resources and support they need to prevail. I'm hoping any idea or suggestion that would help us to achieve our goals of defeating the terrorists and ensuring that Iraq's democratic government succeeds.
(END VIDEO CLIP) QUIJANO: Now, the president began his day with a breakfast meeting with GOP leaders, the outgoing leadership, two days after Republicans receive what the president himself has called a thumping, a collective thumping, at the polls.
Now, this was a chance for the president and the GOP leaders to take a look back at the campaigns. But White House press secretary Tony Snow says this wasn't about recriminations. It was about looking at lessons learned.
Also, though, about looking ahead, and what can be accomplished in this lame duck session. A couple of confirmation hearings they'd like to see pushed through, including John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, as well as Bob Gates. He, of course, is the president's choice to replace the outgoing secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. So a lot on the plate.
The president, we should also mention, this hour set to meet with the president-elect of Mexico, Philippe Calderon. He apparently has arrived here. Certain to be a topic of discussion, something that the president-elect has already talked about, the fence, a 700-mile fence set to be built along the border. Of course, we know from the campaign that border security is an issue that is front and center, so expect that to be among the topics discussed today -- Don.
LEMON: All right. Elaine Quijano at the White House, thank you so much.
PHILLIPS: As you probably know by now, the U.S. Capital isn't the only government institution soon to be under new management. Donald Rumsfeld, the public face of the Pentagon since President Bush took office, is on his way out. Robert Gates, assuming he's confirmed, on his way in as defense secretary.
Let's check in with CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr with more -- Barbara.
BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, hello to you, Kyra.
Mr. Gates already starting the transition process. He telephoned General Peter Pace, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, last night to say hello. The military now beginning to assemble the briefing books and the material that Mr. Gates will need for his confirmation hearings, bringing him up to speed on a variety of world issues.
As for Secretary Rumsfeld, he remains in office. We believe he will stay until Mr. Gates is confirmed. The secretary traveling today to Kansas to keep a long-standing public speaking engagement that he had.
He took a lot of questions from the audience. Some of them were a bit nostalgic. But one of them was right on the mark. He was asked what he thought had gone wrong in Iraq.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DONALD RUMSFELD, DEFENSE SECRETARY: It is very clear that the major combat operations were an enormous success. It is clear that in phase two of this it has not been going well enough or fast enough. On the other hand, there have been very impressive things that have been accomplished.
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STARR: So the secretary acknowledging, very clearly, that the progress had not been fast enough in Iraq. President Bush, of course, now looking for that fresh look at the Iraq situation.
But, Kyra, there was a bit of nostalgia. There was a bit of sense of humor about the whole thing, the secretary cracking a few jokes. Have a listen.
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RUMSFELD: I certainly appreciate this invitation. I hope all of you appreciate how I have managed so skillfully public affairs for this event. I wanted to put the Landon lecture on the map. So I did my best.
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STARR: The secretary was asked by some of the students here at Kansas State University, where he delivered that Landon lecture, what advice he would have for young people. And he smiled and he said "study history" -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Barbara Starr, good advice, thanks.
What do Iraqis think about Donald Rumsfeld's departure? We're going to check in with Baghdad, straight ahead in the NEWSROOM.
LEMON: Plus, inside the 10th Combat Support Hospital in Baghdad, the daily struggle to keep the wounded alive. Coming up right here, in the CNN NEWSROOM.
LEMON: Undermanned, under equipped and under fire. Five years after the troops dislodge the Taliban, the Afghan military, like its counterpart in Iraq, faces uphill battles every day.
CNN's Jennifer Eccleston is with them.
JENNIFER ECCLESTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): These Afghan troops are preparing for what could be an impossible mission: blunting a Taliban advance before the winter snow makes this rugged border land an impenetrable sanctuary. They're the tip of the spear, often the first to engage insurgents, but they're not alone.
Major John South is a mentor for these troops, part of a U.S. Embedded Training Team, the ETT. Despite extending his tour in- country to help build Afghanistan's army, he's trying to work himself out of a job.
MAJ. JOHN SOUTH, U.S. ARMY: When the Americans leave, Afghanistan runs its own country. And that's what it's all about.
ECCLESTON: He and a team of advisers run the gamut of military instruction: from the tactical patrol and combat maneuvers to the technical, how to fire the big guns, to teaching basic human rights.
SOUTH: It would probably be better for the commander to go, instead of sending a soldier...
ECCLESTON: The American advisers give them avenues of approach, and the Afghans must choose which path they take. It's a work in progress.
(on camera) Five years after the invasion that toppled the Taliban, the Afghan national army is beginning to take the lead in major operations and small ones like this patrol. Today, they are looking for Taliban sympathizers.
But this is an army with major problems. They are undersupplied and undermanned.
(voice-over) Desertion is common. In this battalion alone, almost 50 percent of the men haven't returned from their vacation.
Despite a salary of under $70 a month, a sizable paycheck for an ordinary Afghan, recruitment is also a substantial challenge. Soldiers and their families are frequent targets of Taliban intimidation and attacks. It's a problem, but Afghan commanders say it's not insurmountable.
"Day by day, the younger generation sees the valor of their army," says Lieutenant Colonel Mohammed. "They, too, will want to join, because they're defending Afghan freedom."
LT. COL. SCOTT FOSDAL, U.S. MARINE CORPS: There's always going to be setbacks, but they're getting better. Considering that they didn't have a federally or nationally standing army just -- just three or four years ago. Look at the distance we've made.
ECCLESTON: A considerable distance, with a long way to go.
Jennifer Eccleston, CNN, Malachi, Afghanistan.
PHILLIPS: Developments coming from Capitol Hill. Andrea Koppel with information on Ambassador John Bolton and his future.
What's going on, Andrea?
ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kyra, I've spoken with a senior Democratic aide to Senator Joe Biden, who is the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And I was told that the White House had resubmitted the nomination of Ambassador John Bolton to continue as the U.S. representative to the United Nations.
Now, according to this staffer, the reaction among Democrats is that less than 24 hours after the president said he wanted to work with Democrats in a bipartisan fashion, he was insisting on pushing a man whose nomination had been strongly opposed by Senate Democrats.
There is an outside possibility, Kyra, if you remember, he was -- Biden's (sic) nomination was pushed through by Bush in a recess appointment because he failed to get through the full Senate.
There is the outside possibility that Republicans, during the lame-duck session that's set to begin next week, could try to have the Senate Foreign Relations Committee meet, try to get the nomination through there. But he was opposed in committee.
And the question, really, is whether or not Senator Lincoln Chafee, Republican, of Rhode Island, who just lost his bid to win re- election, whether he will support the Republicans or whether he will vote against John Bolton, Kyra.
PHILLIPS: So let's say the vote goes against him. Do we even know who would be the next in line? Who would be the next individual to be voted on?
KOPPEL: We would have to wait to see who President Bush wanted to nominate. But clearly, if it doesn't get through, if a nomination did not get through in the lame duck session that the Republicans would have, the nomination would be dead in the water, as far as Democrats are concerned.
PHILLIPS: Andrea Koppel, from the Hill, thanks so much.
LEMON: Well, a fallen evangelical looks for redemption. What's ahead for the Reverend Ted Haggard. We'll hear from one of President Clinton's advisers ahead, in the CNN NEWSROOM.
LEMON: All right, we have some new information in. There is President Bush, meeting with the speaker in waiting. Let's listen in.
BUSH: I think it's important, I really do. And I appreciate Congressman Hoyer coming, as well. We've had a -- I would call it very constructive and very friendly conversation.
Both of us recognize -- or all three of us recognize that, when you win, you have a responsibility to do the best you can for the country. I was pleased with a wide-ranging discussion about important issues facing America.
And the elections are now behind us. And the congresswoman's party won. But the challenges still remain. And therefore, we're going to work together to address those challenges in a constructive way. We won't agree on every issue. But we do agree that we love America equally, that we're concerned about the future of this country, and that we will do our very best to address big problems.
And so I want to thank you for coming. This is the beginning of a series of meetings we'll have over the next couple of years, all aimed at -- at solving problems and leading the country.
So welcome. And congratulations, again.
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: Thank you very much, Mr. President. Thank you for the opportunity to join you and the vice president in what I think was a very productive meeting.
We both extended the hand of friendship, of partnership, to solve the problems facing our country, the challenges that America's working families face.
I look forward to working in a confidence-building way with the president, recognizing that we have our differences, and we will debate them. And that is what our founders intended. But we will do so in a way that gets results for the American people.
It is very exciting to be the first woman speaker of the house, God willing, if my colleagues support that in another few days, and, again, as speaker, I understand my responsibility as speaker of the House, of all of the House, not just the Democrats. And the responsibility to work with the administration to make progress for the American people.
We've made history. Now we have to make progress. And I look forward to working with the president to do just that.
Thank you, Mr. President.
REP. STENY HOYER (D-MD), MINORITY WHIP: Thank you very much, Mr. President.
I appreciate this opportunity to be with our next speaker, Speaker Pelosi, who is going to do a wonderful job of leading the House, all the House.
And as Speaker Pelosi has said, we have a responsibility. And we have a responsibility together, a shared responsibility, to address the problems confronting our country.
I said Tuesday night that the American public voted their hopes, not their fears, from my perspective, on Tuesday. And their hopes, of course, not only are for specific objectives, but that we will work together, we, being Republicans and Democrats, the president and the Congress, to solve the problems and make their lives better, more secure, and more -- and our country more safe.
And I think this is certainly a very positive first step in that direction. So thank you very much for having us down here. I know that Speaker Pelosi speaks for us all in saying that we are prepared to work with you towards the objectives that we share in common.
BUSH: Thank you, Steny.
Thank you, all, thank you for coming.
LEMON: You're looking at -- that was a meeting, the wrap-up of a meeting, actually, of a lunch with President Bush this morning with Democratic leaders. You heard from Representative Steny Hoyer, Democrat minority whip, and then the speaker in waiting, of course, Nancy Pelosi, saying that she also met with the president and the vice president this morning. And they intend, in the future, at least in the coming years, to debate the issues but debate them in a way that is best for the American people.
And she said -- she also talked about the honor it is to, if it does happen, to be the first woman who is speaker of the house. She said it's a huge responsibility. And she's a speaker of the House, she said, and not just for Democrats.
And, of course, the president, as well, saying that they will -- they don't agree on everything, but they're willing to work together in the next coming years to try to solve the problems that face the American people.
So that's -- there you have it. That's the wrap-up for the lunch this morning with Democratic leaders and the president and the vice president -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: The Reverend Ted Haggard, his career big-time staggered. And now word that he's working to get his personal house in order.
Spiritual restoration. That's a process we're told the former New Life Church leader is beginning. A Christian ministry in Colorado says that such a restoration can take years and succeeds only half the time.
Exactly where he'll get treatment or whether he plans to return to the ministry, unknown. Haggard was toppled from church leadership last week amid gay sex and drugs allegations.
So what exactly is spiritual restoration? We've seen it involves -- well, we've seen that it involves prayer, and confirmation and confession. Our next guest has personal experience with that process, as he's counseled some pretty powerful people.
Baptist minister and author of the upcoming book "Letters to a Young Evangelical", Tony Campolo, joins me now from Louisville, Kentucky.
Great to see you, Tony.
TONY CAMPOLO, AUTHOR, "LETTERS TO A YOUNG EVANGELICAL": Good to be on the show with you. Thank you for this privilege. PHILLIPS: Well, let's talk about spiritual restoration. Explain to our viewers exactly what that means.
CAMPOLO: It's a coming together, of understanding a person's spiritual problems, psychological problems, sociological problems. It's an encompassing thing.
It fails if it goes in the direction of an easy fix, where you simply pray and expect that some spiritual problems, psychological problems, sociological problems. It's an encompassing thing. It fails if it goes in the direction of an easy fix, where you simply pray and expect that some spiritual experience is going to set everything right. A lot's gone wrong in our lives. And when we try to set them right, it's a long process, and we have to be diligent about it. But it's a combination of spiritual, psychological, sociological understanding of the person who's looking for help.
PHILLIPS: And where do you begin? well, you bring up a very good point, a person that's looking for help, because we don't really know if Haggard was exactly looking for health. He was essentially leading a double life. You know, we all deal with our demons. We go up against a number of battles. So the question is, do you begin -- unfortunately, it's sad when it comes to a point like this, where it can be a big public scandal. But does it start with just admitting, hey, I've got issue, I've done something wrong, I need to be liberated from what I'm fighting that I've pushed down deep in my soul and in my heart.
CAMPOLO: He's said all the right things up to this point. The real question is, when he does get counsel, when he does enter into this restoration process, will he be forthcoming and honest about everything? Will he just say, I have a little problem on the side? Or will he begin to face the fact that maybe I have a sexual orientation that does not offer an easy fix. And if he does turn out to be homosexual in his orientation, he's going to have to live with that orientation and figure out what this means for the rest of his life, because there's not an easy fix for that. And to suggest that a few prayers and a few spiritual things, some scripture reading, is going to solve the problem, it won't. That's a good beginning. But -- and with God's help, he can go beyond that. But I have to tell you, you do have to go beyond just a spiritual experience in the process of restoration.
PHILLIPS: And let's talk about how you do that. I mean, let's get deep here for a moment. Because as a Christian, especially a reverend, someone who was an example to so many people. We've had him here on CNN. I've interviewed him a number of times about certain issues. There's a lot of pressure on a spiritual leader to be perfect, to not fail, to not do anything wrong. So when you do have these demons that you're struggling with, just imagine how that is so much tougher possibly for him than, say, someone who's not in the public eye. So tell me how you go beyond just the prayer and just talking about it.
CAMPOLO: I think there are a couple of things that need to be done. First of all, the people who council him have to know him. When I entered into a relationship with President Clinton, it wasn't out of the blue. We had an ongoing relationship. We were friends. And so there was an ability to kind of get beyond those initial presentations of self, where it's so easy to know somebody. In a lot of counseling, the person being counseled are able to snow the people trying to help, and they end up with artificial dealings in the situation.
Secondly, it has to be a thing where they stay at it for a long period of time. There's going to be a tendency to say at a particular point, well, the problem's solved, we can move on from here. You never move on. You're always dealing with the problem. And you have to have two or three people who are holding you accountable who are watching over you. I think that this kind of spiritual restoration is not a one person thing. With President Clinton, there was myself. There was Gordon McDonald and Phil Wakelman (ph). These were other two ministers who were involved along with me, and we took turns, and we checked on each other, and we tried to investigate -- putting someone's life back together when you're a high-profile person, such as Reverend Haggard is, that's hard, because you not only have to answer to the counselors, but you have to answer to the public.
Please note, most people go through rough times in their lives, and a good proportion of them go for counseling. But nobody knows what's going on. And up front they can give the image that nothing has gone amiss in their lives. In this case, he has to deal with this publicly, and that makes it very, very hard, because he'll want to communicate that things are being solved when perhaps they are not being solved.
PHILLIPS: He also needs to find happiness within himself, right? he's Got to love himself again and feel good about who he is, and also feel that he's not being judged.
CAMPOLO: That's very important. Here's where spiritual stuff comes in. We have to communicate to him, he's messed up terribly. But God will never stop loving you, no matter what you've done. There's nothing that can separate you from the love of God. If he feels that God loves him in spite of the mess that he's in right now, that's the first step in the right direction. His wife has already said that I'm going to stick with him. That is crucial. With Bill Clinton, he had a wife in Hillary who was pledged, committed, to keep this marriage together no matter what. He's got that kind of wife. That will help. Somebody who loves and says I am committed, I'm going to stay with you, hang with you through this thing. And that will, in fact, be crucial. Because our self-concepts are highly determined by what we think the most significant persons in our lives think of us. And if he thinks that his significant other, his wife, and the ultimate significant other, God, affirm him, he will be able to affirm himself, live with himself, and, as you say, rediscover happiness that may have eluded him all these years.
PHILLIPS: Final thought. My guess is the word "grace" comes into play here.
CAMPOLO: The word "grace" means this, that we get what we don't deserve. And in reality, that's what the gospel is all about. We've got a God that says, I'm going to love you whether you deserve it or not. I'm going to restore you whether you like it or not. You don't have to earn my love, you don't have to earn my forgiveness, it's a gift. It's a gift. And he has to know that no matter what has happened, God still loves him, and God's grace, i.e., this undeserved favor with God, is his, even now. And for all of us. And that's what encourages me.
PHILLIPS: Dr. Tony Campolo, you encourage all of us every time we talk to you. Appreciate your time today.
CAMPOLO: Thank you.
LEMON: You're about to get an up close look at the horrible product of war -- young men and women wounded in combat. It's what military docs and medics deal with every day in Iraq. American combat hospital in the NEWSROOM.
Stay with CNN.
LEMON: In our developing story here at CNN, very sad story, the death of a journalism giant. A short time ago, CBS announced the death of Ed Bradley. Bradley died of leukemia today at Mt. Sinai hospital in New York. His legendary career began in the streets of Philadelphia, where he covered riots in the 1960s for local radio. His hard work and talent led him to CBS, into the network's pinnacle "60 Minutes."
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Every day, right here on CNN, we show you American troops fighting in Iraq. And almost every day, we tell you that some of those troops were hurt or worse. Today, we're going to show you. But first a warning. This report is about a military emergency room in Baghdad. It's graphic. It's real. And you'll probably find it pretty disturbing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are they coming to us, sir?
ROBERT MAZUR, LT. COL., U.S. ARMY: I would say for everybody, as much as we hate to admit it, if it's an American soldier in there as opposed to anybody else, our stress level goes up.
What's your first name?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Justin.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thomas.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Watson.
MAZUR: Watson? W-A-T-S-O-N?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know, I know, we've just got some oxygen on you, OK?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened to you, man?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Uh, IED.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here, you're going to go to sleep, OK? Try and relax.
MAZUR: Stress is a good thing. A lot of pro athletes say they want to feel that stress. Your adrenaline goes better. You oxygenate better. And you perform better.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got this?
MAZUR: OK, everybody ready. Are you with us?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Which way are we rolling -- towards me?
MAZUR: 1, 2, 3, roll.
MARTY LUCENTI, M.D., MAJOR, U.S. ARMY: he had a subdural hematoma, which means he's got some bleeding around the brain -- it was on the right side. And what that does is that squishes the brain and in severe cases it can push your brain right down into your brain stem kind of down into your spinal cord. That will kill you. So what we did was give him stuff to minimize the bleeding and keep the pressure down. In the interim, he basically gets helicoptered to Balad where they have a neurosurgeon, so the neurosurgeon will take him urgently to the O.R, and drill a hole in his skull to let that hematoma out.
MAZUR: Tough kid -- very good kid to take care of. It gives me goosebumps when I see how strong those guys are.
JUSTIN WATSON, LT, U.S. ARMY: Yes, I'm here, I'm okay, I'm fine. We got hit. I'm a little dinged up. But I'm okay and I'm in the hospital. I'll try to call again as soon as I'm a little less drugged up. But I'm fine, I'm fine. Honey. Honey, can you hear me? Honey? God damnit, honey, can you hear me? I can barely hear you. That might be because I had a loud explosion in my ear.
PHILLIPS: Cal Perry, you produced this. Wow. OK, that's the third time I've seen that, and I just get choked up, you know? It just really hits you hard. I don't know how you made it. You were in that emergency room for a month, day in and day out watching all of this happen.
CAL PERRY, CNN PRODUCER: Well, I tell you what. There were days when both myself and senior cameraman Dominick Swann, who did a lot of shooting would go back to the bureau and look at each other and say we just can't go back there tomorrow. It was really about them, to do it for them, to lend their voices to this as to why we did it. Seeing them work under these conditions. The ages of these medics, being 18 years old, having to treat somebody that's their age, their countrymen, having to look somebody in the face who's saying please don't let me die, I don't want to die. Under those conditions, day in and day out, I think the war touched this unit personally in ways that it doesn't touch the everyday U.S. soldier.
PHILLIPS: Do you think it's because of the intensity of this war, this insurgency, and just not having a handle on it, and not quite sure when it's going to end and how many guys and gals they have to look in the eye and say I'm going to do my best to save your life?
PERRY: I think it's all the above and this is the busiest combat support hospital in the entire country, so this hospital sees more casualties of war than any other hospital in Iraq. It sees not just Americans but Iraqis. It sees civilian and the emotional toll that it had on these doctors, these medics, these nurses, I don't think we'll ever be able to measure. I have been in touch -- you asking me just before we ...
PHILLIPS: Yes, do you still talk to the doctors?
PERRY: I do. I know some of them have been concerned and voiced their concerns during the filming of this documentary of what the long-term effects are going to be on them when go home to their families, looking back at what they did. I do wonder what it's like for them to sort of look at this now and see what they did over the course of a year.
PHILLIPS: Let's personalize one of the young men -- Caleb Lufkin. Because, I know you had a chance to take a lot of pictures, too, as you were working on this documentary. Tell us about this young man that was wounded by an IED. We won't tell his whole story because I know you focus on him in this documentary. Take me through the process of when you first saw him from here, these pictures.
PERRY: This was -- this is a shot actually of Caleb. The radio call came in like any other radio call that U.S. troops had been wounded by an IED. And less than 10 or 20 minutes later, helicopters landed. And he was the first one to come off. He had extensive wounds to his legs and to his arms. You see him there. And Dr. David Steinbrenner worked on him and saved his life right in front of us. This was on day two of our shooting at the hospital. And to see him come in, the way that he looked, and to see him look into the eyes of Dr. Steinbrenner who is also a senior officer, as his captain, and say please don't let me die.
PHILLIPS: Caleb was saying that to the doctors?
PERRY: To the doctor. And to see the reaction of the doctor. And the reaction in this particular case was I didn't give you permission to die. I'm your senior officer and I'm going to treat you and save your life. To see that actually happen in front of our own eyes and to be able to film that was sort of an immediate understanding of there's something really important happening here that we need to get to the bottom of, and we need to look into more.
PHILLIPS: I was just thinking, as you were talking about the communication. I think of times I've been in the hospital, I've been with a loved one in the hospital. And you get so frustrated with bedside manner. Gosh, why can't that doctor just be a little more sensitive or a little more loving or say something to give a vote of encouragement. You see nothing but a -- you see these doctors technically working on these men and women, but psychologically, you don't see one doctor or nurse on that bedside being a jerk. I mean, it's 100 percent ...
PERRY: And I'll tell you what, putting a rifle over your shoulder and over your back when you walk your 50 feet from where you work as a doctor to where you sleep at night as a U.S. soldier, I think makes all the difference in the world for these men and women because they're treating their comrades. They're treating their countrymen. And they know that if they weren't in this triage room at this combat hospital, they could have very easily been in that Bradley or Humvee with specialist Caleb Lufkin. So I think, there's that understanding, of this is my tour, this is what I'm here to do. And I'm going to do it beyond the call of duty if you like, because I am a soldier, and I am a doctor as well.
PHILLIPS: And they're probably thinking, you just shouldn't be here. You shouldn't be having to fight for your life like this.
PERRY: I think that thought goes through their minds a lot. Again this is a place where everyday for 365 days, that war's coming through the front door. For a lot of U.S. soldiers on their tour, it's not everyday that they're hit right over the head with the war. For these young men and women, everyday at the 10th catch was this type of activity.
PHILLIPS: As usual, Cal Perry, amazing job. Thank you very much.
And the war in Iraq played a big role in midterm elections. This weekend, CNN takes you inside a combat hospital in Iraq to show the frantic fight to save the lives of wounded troops inside. You won't want to miss the compelling CNN presents, "COMBAT HOSPITAL," produced here by our Cal Perry. Saturday and Sunday night, 8:00 p.m. eastern.
LEMON: Pain relief problems? Eleven million bottles of acetaminophen recalled. With details, CNN's senior correspondent Allan Chernoff in New York.
ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Don. This is very interesting. Small pieces of metal were found in some generic acetaminophen. That is generic Tylenol. Now, this not made by Johnson & Johnson, rather, by a company called Perrigo Company. Now, that's a generic manufacturer, but you won't even see that company's name on this product. Instead, you would see, for example, your local pharmacy or your supermarket.
We bought these this morning before they were actually pulled from the shelves. It is the 500-milligram dosage of acetaminophen that we're talking about. And this company ships all over the nation. If you want to check to see if your local pharmacy or supermarket may have stocked some of these, you can check our story at CNN.com. We have a link to all the companies that actually did sell this product.
A very interesting situation here. The company says that it actually discovered this during quality control testing. And it says these little pieces of metal came from the raw material that a third party supplier provided, the raw material for the active ingredient in the acetaminophen, the painkiller.
Now, the company also says that this is only, they believe, in about one of every 400,000 caplets, but they have to go ahead and recall these 11 million bottles of the product. Some had not been shipped. But many, of course, had been shipped. So it's a massive recall that we're talking about.
If you want more information, call the company, 877-546-0454. The company also did put out a statement saying the frequency of occurrence is very low, the probability of health risk is remote, and there have been no reports of injuries or illness related to this incident.
But the FDA is saying if someone were to swallow one of these caplets, they could have stomach upset and also could scratch their throat or their mouth. So it doesn't sound like something people want to ignore. You may want to check your medicine cabinet.
And, again, on our Web site, we also have links to the exact batch numbers that are involved in this as well -- Don.
LEMON: Very detailed report, Allan Chernoff, CNN.com, for all the details, right? Thank you so much for that.
PHILLIPS: Well, as you know, for the first time in 12 years, Democrats now will be in charge of the House. Its leader, Nancy Pelosi, and she met with the president of the United States for lunch today. They sat down together. She now is headed back to her office from the White House. We just caught up with her a few minutes ago.
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QUESTION: How was that lunch?
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: It was great. No, I had pasta and chocolate. I was raised on it. It was really lovely.
QUESTION: Well, can you get along with this guy?
PELOSI: Certainly. Certainly.
QUESTION: That the lunch was to get things started? How did it go?
PELOSI: Well, first of all, I've had a level of rapport with the president, working with him, as minority leader in the last few years. And we had a very productive meeting about working together in a bipartisan way to get some results for the American people. We talked about some areas that we can do that in and it was very positive.
QUESTION: What was the top of his agenda, what was the top of your agenda, were they the same, national security?
PELOSI: Well, the agenda to get results for the American people and to work in bipartisan -- to do that. It was that kind of occasion. Thank you.
QUESTION: Thank you.
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PHILLIPS: It will definitely be interesting to follow the relationship between Nancy Pelosi and the president. As you know, they've had a very contentious relationship for a number of years. Now they're saying they're going to work together. My guess is the pasta and chocolate was a nice start.
LEMON: I'll bet it was. Let's hope so.
Well, you can call it a cliffhanger in Virginia. That state Senate race determines who controls the Senate. What the candidates are saying today. That's ahead in the CNN NEWSROOM. Don't go away.
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