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GLENN BECK

Will New War Plan Succeed?; Elton John Calls for End to Organized Religion; California College Bans Pledge of Allegiance

Aired November 13, 2006 - 19:00:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST: All right. There`s a new plan out for Iraq, and we`ll explore some of its devastating effects, possibly.
Also Sir Elton John has called for an end of all religion, and you`ll be surprised how many Americans actually agree with him. Coming up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Tonight`s episode is brought to you by Elton John`s Saturday Night`s All Right for Smiting tour. Call now for tickets. All atheists get in free.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECK: Well, the Democrats spent this weekend gloating over the election on all of the Sunday news program. And if that weren`t annoying enough, they also unveiled their strategy for Iraq. Here it is: something called phased redeployment.

Here is the point tonight: don`t be fooled. Phased redeployment? That is a happier, PC way of saying cut and run. Here`s how I got there.

If I hear one more person say, "It`s time for the Iraqi people to stand up so our troops can stand down," I think my head`s going to pop. I need some duct tape to wrap it and keep it in place.

In September, the bodies of 40 Iraqis were shot execution-style with their hands and feet tied behind their back. In July, 40 people were dragged from their cars by Shia gunmen. They were tortured and shot, because 30 decapitated corpses were found in a ditch in March, because today a bomb on a bus killed 20 people in a largely Shia neighborhood in Baghdad. That is why people won`t stand up. They are terrified. Would you stand up?

You know we can go on and on with the instances like this. It`s happening almost every day now in Iraq. Why would the Iraqis stand up when they could get their heads chopped off by religious fanatic nut jobs? And can they really trust us to protect them?

We cannot simply go into Iraq, plant false hope -- hey, you`re going to be free, democracy it`s great -- and then desert them in their own country while they`re getting slaughtered? We have seen that movie before. It starred the Kurds and the first President Bush. It doesn`t end real well.

If I were an Iraqi citizen, I would be thinking, you know what America? Fool me one, shake on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

You know what? Here`s what Howard Dean had to say about his party`s strategy for phased redeployment.

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HOWARD DEAN, DNC CHAIR: Don`t stay in Iraq. We`re not going to put up with terrorism in Iraq or any place else, but we can`t keep 140,000 brave Americans in Iraq indefinitely. Did not we learn this lesson in Vietnam?

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BECK: You know, I heard that, I was shaking my head. Are you kidding? That`s the lesson we learned in Vietnam? Pull out?

General Wheaton, he`s from the North Vietnamese army. He was asked, why were the Americans defeated in Vietnam? Let me give you his quote: "America lost because of its democracy. Through dissent and protest, it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win." That, Howard, is the lesson we were supposed to learn from Vietnam.

We were also supposed to learn these little valuable neglects: fight to win. Do not quit when the situation is tough and/or unpopular. Two, do not have politicians map out the war strategy. We have the military men do it.

You know, officials in both parties have been singing the praises of this bipartisan Baker/Hamilton Iraq Study Group. First of all, study group? Study group? This is a war; it`s not an algebra midterm. Can we at least call it something scary?

Secondly, the group features members like Vernon Jordan, Leon Pineta, Sandra Day O`Connor. You know what? They`re not exactly the military minds of our times.

Here`s what an actual military guy, who also happens to be a politician, had to say about what is needed in Iraq.

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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I believe that a withdrawal or a date for withdrawal will lead to chaos in the region, and most military experts think the same thing. I believe that there are a lot of things that we can do to salvage this, but they all require the presence of additional troops.

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MATTHEWS: Here`s a guy who might be running for president. He`s taking a position in which only 18 percent of the public approves of. Thank you, John McCain, for saying the tough things regardless of the political cost.

You know what? We need to put more troops on the ground in Iraq. We need to fight to win. We need to stabilize the region and stop al-Sadr. This is a guy we should have killed two years ago. Why we`re not killing him in a mosque, if we have to, is beyond me.

He is the leader of the Shia militia. He is -- he is torturing people. He is beheading people. He`s execution -- executions in Iraq, his troops are following the Iraqis that are standing up and they`re killing them. He is -- he is in bed with Iran. He has also said he will not stop "until the messiah comes," end quote. This guy is wreaking havoc in Iraq.

Now is not the time for phased redeployment. Where are you redeploying them, America?

Here`s what I know tonight: the more mealy-mouthed and wishy-washy we get on Iraq, the closer our children are to death or a prayer rug.

I also know that Joe Lieberman and the new breed of conservative Democrats need to stop this freight train to hell. I am all for bipartisan cooperation. I`m all for new ideas in Iraq, but not at any cost. If you think Iraq is a mess now, you wait until we cut and run -- I`m sorry -- until we enact phased redeployment. Then even our allies in Iraq will hate us.

I know you may not want to hear it, but you cannot start a war and not finish it. Not only is it grossly immoral, it is extremely dangerous.

Here`s what I don`t know: when will we ever learn the real lesson of Vietnam?

Jed Babbin, he is -- he was the deputy undersecretary of defense under the first President Bush.

Jed, tell me where I`m wrong. Phased redeployment? That sounds like a horrible idea.

JED BABBIN, FORMER DEPUTY UNDERSECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Well, it is, Glenn, but where you`re wrong is taking Iraq in isolation. And that`s the capital mistake that President Bush has made, the mistake that Mr. McCain is making, and lord only knows the Democrats don`t even have a clue of an idea, far less even a mistake.

BECK: I get that. I got to tell you, my friend, I think -- I think Iraq is a small piece of the puzzle. They are being controlled by Iran and Syria, and they -- they are trying to do what we, I believe, were trying to do to Iran -- plant democracy on both sides and squeeze their head and pop it. They`re doing that to us now.

BABBIN: Well, that`s pretty much right. I mean, the fact of the matter is you have a situation there where you can`t possibly solve Iraq within the four corners of Iraq.

You have its interfering neighbors, Syria and Iran, and frankly, we are fighting a proxy war against our principal enemy`s proxy. You can`t defeat the principal enemy if you`re only fighting his proxies. We are at a point where we have to go and take this war to the center of gravity, of the enemy. That`s in Tehran and Damascus.

BECK: Ay-ay-ay. So tell me why we shouldn`t kill al-Sadr where he stands.

BABBIN: Well, I don`t really have any brief for al-Sadr. The fact of the matter is that if we kill him now, Iran will replace him. Ali Sistani will have someone else to replace him.

It doesn`t matter, in the short run, or really in the long run, what happens to "Mooki." The fact of the matter is that he`s getting money and people and weapons from Iran every day.

We are at -- we`ve been at war with Iran, Glenn, since 1979.

BECK: I know.

BABBIN: And we have yet to say more than a nasty word to them.

BECK: You know, we are in such denial. Look, you are somebody who has actual experience and actual education. You do know what you`re talking about. I am -- I`m a rodeo clown who happens to have a radio and TV show.

BABBIN: Well, you`re better than Borat.

BECK: Not much. I got to tell you, I cannot believe that people are missing the apocalyptic speech and actual views of the people we are dealing with.

BABBIN: Well, that`s part of the problem we have here. The president has not led us as a war leader should. He`s not taking our enemies at their word. If you look at al-Sadr, you look at Ahmadinejad, I mean, the apocalypse is a career objective for this guy. And we have to make sure he didn`t have the means to pull it off.

BECK: Could you -- could you just restate that again? I think so many people will hear me say something like that, and go, "Oh, come on, the apocalypse, doomsday."

Could you please reiterate that these people really do believe in the coming of the messiah, and they want to bring it on?

BABBIN: They believe some sort of Islamic heaven on earth will I think so many people will hear me say something like that, and go, c`mon. Could you please reiterate that these people really do believe in the coming of the messiah, and they want to bring it on?

Well, they believe that some sort of Islamic heaven on earth will begin with the return of the 12 imam, and the 12th imam can only -- his return can only be precipitated by a massive global conflict with hundreds of millions of deaths.

So that`s Ahmadinejad`s career objective. He personally believes it. We`re talking about a guy, Glenn, when he went to the U.N. a couple years ago, he believed that -- he said this many times -- that he believed that an aura, a holy aura surrounded him when he addressed the General Assembly.

This guy has a -- all the earmarks of a fanatic. We have seen this before in that part of the world. And if we don`t take him at his word and we don`t make sure that they don`t have the means to do it, we are going to suffer something. Our allies are going to suffer something the world has not seen before.

BECK: Jed, thank you very much.

BABBIN: Thank you.

BECK: You know, we hear in the media a lot about the war in Iraq, and he was just saying it is not about Iraq. It`s not just about terrorism in general. You don`t hear the real story in the mainstream media. Our enemies have a global agenda. That means the end of the west.

Listen to me. On Wednesday night, we have a special -- a Glenn Beck special called "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda". I can`t tell you how hard I have fought to get this on the air.

If you are at all concerned with the future of our country and the world, you must watch and tell your friends to watch on Wednesday. Here is a look at what you`ll see.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Lies, propaganda, hate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (speaking foreign language)

GRAPHIC: Basmallah, do you know the Jews?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (speaking foreign language)

GRAPHIC: Yes.

ANNOUNCER: The video you are never supposed to see.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (speaking foreign language)

GRAPHIC: They are apes and pigs.

ANNOUNCER: Glenn Beck presents "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda". November 15.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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BECK: You know, one of the greatest philosophers of our day, you know, the over the hill pop star Elton John, said this weekend, "I would completely ban religion." He says organized religion just doesn`t work; it turns people into "really hateful lemmings" and is not really that compassionate.

You know, Elton, you`re entitled to your opinion, no problem, but you`re song "Club at the End of the Street" didn`t really seem to work either, and you don`t see people, you know, like the pope calling for a worldwide ban on "Island Girl".

Even if what Elton John said is completely offensive to billions of people worldwide who have a religious affiliation, atheism is on the rise here in this country. According to recent cover stories in "TIME" and "Wired" magazine, a larger number of Americans are identifying themselves as atheists.

Tom Flynn is from the Council for Secular Humanism and is the editor of "The New Encyclopedia of Un-belief".

Tom, why is this a growing trend in America?

TOM FLYNN, COUNCIL FOR SECULAR HUMANISM: Glenn, I think a lot of people are thinking their way past the religions that they were brought up in and seeing, as I did, that they don`t work for them.

I do want to say I don`t agree with Elton John that we should ban religion. In fact, I don`t think you could. But growing numbers of people are learning to live without it. I think this is a very positive factor, and I think it`s something to be welcomed.

BECK: You know, you and I have very similar paths in some ways.

FLYNN: Yes.

BECK: I was a Catholic. You, I understand, was a Catholic. And I became -- I started looking into religion and started to investigate all of them. And I actually tried on atheism for a while, because I thought, you know, I only believe in God because people have told me he exists. And I knew that if he did exist, he would want me to find him.

You never did find him, and that`s how you entered atheism. Is that right?

FLYNN: That`s correct. I started out Catholic, started asking uncomfortable questions about my faith, and the answers I found led me away from the church and finally away from religious belief altogether.

Certainly, a big part of that was the idea that, if God did not exist, it`s exactly the sort of thing that people would make up. And is there more to it than that? I couldn`t find it.

BECK: Yes. Well, I did, but you know, that`s neither here nor there.

Now, I don`t have a problem with you being an atheist, and you know, a bunch of atheists around, whatever. I mean, that`s great. If it works for you, that`s great.

What I have a problem with, Tom, and help me explain why is it so many atheists have a problem with me expressing my faith in public?

FLYNN: Well, I think a big part of that is that so many atheists have grown up, or as they became atheists later in life, encountered a society that is really pretty intolerant of that point of view.

BECK: OK, but wait, wait, wait. Let me stop you there. Then why fix that by being intolerant of people who have -- you would think that you would be even more tolerant, because you have seen the intolerance.

FLYNN: But the interesting thing is we`re dealing with a society who`s biased in favor of religion. It`s so strong that even to say something strongly critical is seen as intolerant.

If I got up here and said, "Hey, I don`t think XYZ aircraft is a good product," nobody would call me intolerant. If I get up and say, "I believe that such and such a religious tradition is really anti-humane and really harmful," most people in our society aren`t prepared to take that assertion seriously on its own terms.

They immediately throw up their hands and immediately say, "Oh, you`re being anti-religious."

BECK: Yes, I think that`s a problem. I think -- you know, in America I think we should be able to listen to other people`s points of views, even if we disagree with them.

I think the problem is on both sides. The religions that say, "It`s only my religion and you," you know, we`re seeing it with what`s happening in Islam right now. It`s either my way or execution.

And then on the other side, the people who say, "You can`t even -- you can`t have a Christmas tree out there or, you know, I`m going to sue you."

I think people, as we found last week, live in the middle.

FLYNN: Well, I think we need to distinguish, too, between whether or not a religion is true or false, or this idea of religious symbols in public spaces, because that`s really a question of how we share a society in which a great many people from different backgrounds all coexist.

And historically, there was an awful lot of favoritism toward Christianity.

BECK: Sure.

FLYNN: Going back to a time where it was pretty much the only religion that was represented here. And I don`t think we`ve rooted it all out. I don`t think we`ve done enough to secularize our society, to make it friendly toward all the people who now live here.

BECK: You and I -- Tom, I got to tell you, sticks and stones will break my bones, but I don`t understand how it`s uncomfortable for you to see a statue or anything. I know I`m, as a Christian, I`m not offended by seeing a Star of David anywhere. But we`re not going to solve that tonight.

Tom, thanks a lot.

FLYNN: Thank you, Glenn.

BECK: Back in a minute.

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BECK: All right. A couple years ago the Pledge of Allegiance made news when an avowed atheist sued to have "under God" removed from it. Well, what a surprise. It`s under fire again in California.

Students at a California college banned the Pledge of Allegiance, claiming there is no reason to pledge loyalty to the U.S. government or to God. Opponents of the ban claim its supporters are anti-American radicals.

One of the students who staunchly opposes the ban plans to attend every meeting and recite the pledge loud and clear.

Christine Zoldos, she is that student.

Christine, what the heck is wrong with people in California?

CHRISTINE ZOLDOS, ORANGE COAST COLLEGE STUDENT: I really don`t know, Glenn.

BECK: What is -- who are these people who are against it?

ZOLDOS: Well, the way our student government is structured, we have nine members on our executive board, and five of them are the board of trustees. And four of them are the executive part of the board, which consists of the president, vice president and two other positions.

The board of trustees are the ones that make the decisions on everything. They vote on the budget and, you know, all the events that we do.

BECK: Are they students, or are they...

ZOLDOS: Yes.

BECK: OK. They`re students. All right.

ZOLDOS: Yes, they`re students.

And four of them were -- they ran on a slate last semester when -- and they were obviously elected. And there`s one person on the board, who is actually my ally, Michelle, who is also against the -- the removal of the pledge.

BECK: But who are they? I mean, why are they -- are they really radical? What are they?

ZOLDOS: They really are. They are all socialists. They all consider themselves socialists. They`re -- I guess you could say the leader of their group is Jason Ball. And he`s a communist. He walks around campus with his beret, combat boots and his hammer and sickle pin.

BECK: Can I ask you -- let me just change the subject a bit. Do your parents want their money back?

ZOLDOS: Oh, definitely.

BECK: I`ve got to tell you, I would demand my money back. I`m not sending you to that school.

ZOLDOS: Yes.

BECK: They say that they -- they shouldn`t have to recite it because of -- why?

ZOLDOS: They basically said that it -- I guess that they said it offends them, that it says "under God." They say that it`s irrelevant to student government business. It takes up too much time.

BECK: It takes up too much time. And your argument is being heard? And what`s it?

ZOLDOS: Well, actually in my past experience, anytime I`ve said anything, anytime I`ve tried to argue anything that they`re for, they just basically brush me off. They don`t listen to me. They don`t listen to my opinion, because I`m -- have a different opinion their theirs.

BECK: Sure.

ZOLDOS: At the beginning of the year they actually -- or the beginning of the semester, they wrote a manifesto of student government...

BECK: Holy cow.

ZOLDOS: I know. And I refused to sign it. And in the manifesto, they actually said that they called for a culture of rational discourse and diversity of opinion, but when I didn`t want to sign it because I had a different opinion, they disowned me. And from then on...

BECK: That doesn`t -- that is, I got to tell you, that`s the way it happens every single time, you know? They say, "Oh, we want all opinions. We`ll embrace all opinions. Well, except for you, because you`re a hate monger."

ZOLDOS: Exactly.

BECK: So Christine, thank you very much. And best of luck to you.

ZOLDOS: Thanks so much.

BECK: I hope you can get your money back.

ZOLDOS: Thank you.

BECK: We`ll be back in a minute.

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BECK: All right. Welcome to "The Real Story." This is where we try to cut through the media spin to figure out why a story is actually important to you.

In case you haven`t been reading the papers lately, let me catch you up. Stay with me for just a second, because each of these items, the real story will be exactly the same.

First, the director of Britain`s MI5 intelligence agency has revealed over the weekend that their security services are now monitoring 30 terrorist plots and at least 1,600 suspects intending to cause mass casualties on the streets of Britain. If you think those terror cells only have their eyes on killing innocents in the U.K., wake up, Sparky. You`re kidding yourself.

Then, yesterday Israel and Iran, they traded threats back and forth just as the Israeli prime minister arrived in the U.S. for talks with President Bush. Coincidence? I don`t think so.

The Israeli leader poked Iran in the chest, saying they should start to fear the consequences of trying to acquire nuclear weapons. Really? Iran swiftly responded that -- said that it would aggressively retaliate if attacked. Not to be out-threatened, the Israeli prime minister then called Iranian President Ahmadinejad a man who is ready to commit crimes against humanity and has to be stopped.

To complete the volley of hatred between the two, the Iranian foreign minister then put the cherry right on top, gently suggesting, quote, "if the Zionist regime commits such stupidity, the response by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard will be swift, strong and crushing." Terrified? Now, hold on; we`re not even done yet.

Our old pal China this weekend announced that they had been shadowing one of our aircraft carriers. Iran is watching us with drone planes, and this just after President Tom wrapped up day 10 of his great prophet war- game maneuvering. And massive fire of artilleries and rocket launchers were among the most significant events on the program. Besides testing a bunch of new weapon systems, the war games also gave little exercise to those who needed it. There were only a couple of thousand teams of heavily armed Iranian troops hell-bent on learning how to kill infidels more efficiently.

Now, you want the real story behind all of this? Great. Here it is: Islamic extremism and its allies are the common denominator in these stories and countless others coming out today. It is running rampant across the globe. This is not a fad like skinny jeans or ugg boots; these are murderous zealots that will not be happy until you and me and our very way of life are dead. If you don`t believe me, I implore you, please join me for my special this Wednesday where I expose the extremist agenda in great detail.

Meanwhile, back here at home, the effects of the Democratic victory and resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld are still being felt. Now, I have been telling you for months that, whether you`re a Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, it doesn`t matter. We have to never appear weak in the eyes of those terrorist operations that are hell-bent on destroying us.

Remember: National security is not a partisan issue. It is an American issue. And we cannot afford to be seen as a divided nation. Our very lives are at stake.

This past Friday, in a new message posted on a jihadi Web site, kind of a YouTube for terrorists, a speaker identifying himself as the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq had a bunch of venom to spew at America, but it was this one quote that really stuck out and jumped off the screen to me. It was this one: "We haven`t had enough of your blood yet," end quote.

The real story is that these psychos will never have enough of our blood. They have been telling us that much for years. Take a look at this clip from the documentary "Obsession: Radical Islam`s War Against the West."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One day, this very flag will fly over the parliament in London. We will see this flag that will fly over the White House, and we will see the Black House, the Kaaba, will take over the whole world.

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BECK: That, by the way, took place on the streets of England. How many movies, how many statements, how many tapes in these fanatics` own words have to be released before we finally wake up and understand that the Islamic extremists are not making threats. They are making promises.

The other real story here is that either nobody is brave enough or nobody is stupid enough to tell you the cold, hard truth. It must be the latter, but I`m so new at this game that I`m just dumb enough to try to do it on Wednesday. Listen, let me give you a sneak peek. I am telling you that if our destruction should come, just as it did with the Twin Towers, it will not be without plenty of warning.

Remember, Osama bin Laden tried and failed to bring the Twin Towers down in 1992. All along he promised those buildings would eventually fall. As we all know too well, they fell like that. He kept his murderous word.

When they did fall, most Americans didn`t even know the name "Osama bin Laden." He had been telling us and sending us warnings for years.

So if you care about the safety of yourself, your country, your children, and you want to hear the actual facts that no other television show -- quite frankly, excuse the expression -- has the balls to tell you, you watch this program on Wednesday night. After seeing the evidence, you will never think about these issues in the same way again.

But now, let`s talk a little bit more about the impact of the latest Al Qaeda threat with Daveed Gartenstein-Ross. He is the senior consultant for the Gerard Group, a counterterrorism and homeland security firm.

Daveed, how much of this tape is overblown rhetoric?

DAVEED GARTENSTEIN-ROSS, COUNTERTERRORISM EXPERT: I`d say that very little of the tape is overblown rhetoric, in the sense that the way you can determine whether these guys are just blowing hot air or whether they`re actually outlining or telegraphing a strategy, is you look at consistency of action, and you also look at other internal communiques, basically not what they`re just saying for Western consumption, but what they`re saying internally.

And overall you have a pattern that they are fighting for Iraq. This tape comes out and says for the first time that they`re going to establish an Islamic caliphate in Iraq. In fact, you even have Abu Hajer (ph) pledging his own allegiance to basically a regional jihadist leader, named Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. So this is all very significant, and it shows that they think that they have Iraq just about won.

BECK: Yes, I mean, they have said -- Osama bin Laden said this is World War III, and the center of it is in Iraq. You have President Ahmadinejad saying the same thing, that the caliphate will be right there in Iraq. And what people fail to understand is this is ancient Babylon. It ties into what they`ve been saying about the apocalypse and the end of the world, does it not?

GARTENSTEIN-ROSS: Well, in the end, you have different views as to the end times, between, say, a bin Laden and an Ahmadinejad, based upon their theological beliefs. You have much more of a millenarian view on Ahmadinejad`s part. He really believes in the coming of the 12th imam, something that is aliens to Sunni Islam.

But regardless of their end-time scenario, you can see that, within the bin Laden and within the Sunni jihadists, there`s a consistent view as to what they need to do, what their part is in battling against the West. And that is based on their theological view. You know, reestablishing the caliphate is very much front and center of bin Laden`s thought, and it`s front and center of the thought of the jihadists who are fighting us on the ground in Iraq. And you can already see their words saying that it`s going to come here in Iraq.

BECK: Explain what that is, because so many people don`t say -- and you pronounce it different than I do. I pronounce it "caliphate." And you pronounce it how?

GARTENSTEIN-ROSS: Caliphate. But in the end, it`s an English- ization.

BECK: OK. And explain to people who don`t understand what that is. So many people have never even heard of that.

GARTENSTEIN-ROSS: Right. It`s an important, vital concept to understand. After Prophet Muhammad died, there was basically what the Sunnis call the four rightly guided caliphs. They were individuals who had unified control over the Muslim world and were able to set the agenda. Essentially, they were important in establishing the early Muslim empires.

Since then, you`ve had different factions that have claimed to be the rightful caliphs, the rightful leaders of the Islamic world. But eventually, with the end of the Ottoman Empire that occurred just after the end of World War I, there was no longer any state in the world that claimed to be the caliphate. Once the Ottoman Empire was disestablished, you had the Middle East, which had been under Ottoman control previously, carved up into many different states, the modern states that you have today.

BECK: This would be the Christian equivalent of -- let`s say the pope decides to say, "By the way, Rome is going to be the center, and all Christians will answer to me, and we will rule the entire world," correct?

GARTENSTEIN-ROSS: It`s similar to how the Roman Empire used to be. One of the big differences is that, within Islamic thought, you know, there`s a couple of notions. Number one, there`s the notion both that eventually the caliphate would be disestablished, but then it would return. That`s something that Osama bin Laden fervently believes it`s his duty to do.

And a second thing that`s critical to this is the way the caliphate would be ruled. It would be ruled according to a very strict version of Islamic law. Those who don`t understand what this means should see Afghanistan for an example under the Taliban`s rule.

And a second thing -- and beyond that, one thing that`s important is they also believe that the caliphate would be very aggressive in foreign policy, eventually coming into total conflict with the West.

BECK: Yes. And it`s also the -- President Tom has already pretty much called out and tried to unite the European Muslims and say, "I am going to be your leader, and unite in Europe, as well." Daveed, thank you so much.

That is "The Real Story" tonight. If you would like to read more about this or if you found a real story of your own and you`d like to tell us about it, please visit glennbeck.com and click on "The Real Story" button.

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BECK: ... talk about the lessons of Vietnam and that we`ve got to get out of -- I`m sorry, they`re not calling it -- Stu, what are they calling it? It`s...

STU BURGUIERE, "GLENN BECK" CORRESPONDENT: It`s a phased withdrawal or a redeployment.

BECK: Oh, yes, phased redeployment. I just like that, "phased redeployment." If I may translate from political bull crap right directly to English, it`s, "Let`s get the hell out of there, quick, soon as we can!"

Well, sir, we can`t get all of the tanks out of there, you know, on the same airplane. "All right, we`ll schedule a bunch of airplanes. It`s a phased redeployment." Where are we re-deploying to? "America, for the love of Pete."

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BECK: You know, have you ever wondered why the Middle East has been on fire for as long as anyone can remember? Well, a lot of it has to do with the ongoing cycle of hate, parents passing along lies to their children, and those kids grow up to be the next crop of extremists.

As I started doing research for our upcoming special this Wednesday, I was blown away at just how far the propaganda goes. One story that I read has the Palestinian children being told that Jews are literal monsters with huge, sharp fangs who rely on Palestinian blood to keep them alive. Not kidding.

The combination of hate and fear is an unbelievably powerful tool that helps these extremists brainwash each new generation. I want to show you a quick clip from our special showing a little more of the propaganda that we`ve uncovered.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want the blood of a Christian child before Passover for the matzos.

BECK: This series on Jordanian television shows a Jewish leader organizing the death of a Christian child. He uses the child`s blood to make matzo, which he feeds to a non-practicing Jew.

JOSHUA MURAVCHIK, AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE: This stuff was not just on television. It`s in the newspapers; it`s in the mainstream newspapers of the Middle East.

BECK: This chilling cartoon ran in a state-owned Egyptian newspaper. It shows Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at the podium, her hands dripping in blood.

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BECK: Again, our special, called "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda," runs Wednesday night. Please, do not miss it. By the way, that clip actually was a holiday mini-series, that clip of the Jewish blood being drained out of the child. It was a powerful time to play it in the Middle East, as well.

On the phone with us now is Joel Rosenberg. He is the author of the new book called "Epicenter." He was also called by "U.S. News and World Report" the modern-day Nostradamus.

Joel, thank you for joining me, and sorry about the phone situation here and the satellite, but I wanted to get you on the phone and get your opinion, what is the most powerful thing that you think people are missing by not seeing what is happening in the media over in the Middle East?

JOEL C. ROSENBERG, AUTHOR: Well, Glenn, first let me say I`m not a Nostradamus. I`m not a psychic nor a clairvoyant. I don`t call Miss Cleo in the middle of the night to get my plot ideas.

But, you`re right, these books have been uncanny that I write, because they seem to have a sense that, you know, if you spend time in the Middle East, you can get a sense of what`s coming, often just by listening, not to the media, but to the actual words of the leaders in this region. Some of them, in their evilness, are quite honest.

And, you know, the challenge is sifting through all the propaganda of state-run television programs here in the region show. I`m in Jerusalem, been here two weeks. Earlier this year, I spent three months with my family traveling through the Muslim world, particularly in Egypt, in Turkey and Morocco, and others.

And, you know, the media in these countries are just incredibly biased, not just against Americans, but as you say, particularly against Jews, also against Christians. But if you listen to the leaders, they`re very clear. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- who I like to say is "Ahmed-genocide" - - is being very clear, clearer than almost any leader in this region, I would say, probably since Nasser in the `60s, saying Ahmadinejad is convinced that it`s time to annihilate Israel, and not just Israel. Israel`s the little Satan. The United States is the great Satan. We`re the ultimate target.

BECK: He said just today -- and I think here`s the problem. Most Americans, they hear this, and they`re like, "Oh, it`s just rhetoric. They`ve been at war forever." He said today that the time is soon, that Israel -- I believe he used the word "will vanish off the map."

ROSENBERG: Right, yes.

BECK: Why should the average person say this guy means it?

ROSENBERG: Well, because he`s feverishly trying to build, buy or steal the nuclear arsenal to accomplish it. And that`s what`s so different. Look, you remember Fidel Castro in the `50s. He was rallying against the United States, blah, blah, blah. It didn`t really bother us that much under the Soviets put nuclear missiles on Cuban soil 90 miles off our shores.

Then suddenly the horrible, evil rhetoric was matched with an arsenal that could accomplish what Castro was talking about. That`s the situation we have in Iran today. It`s not just the rhetoric, as bad as it is, but it`s rhetoric matched with ballistic missiles that can certainly reach here in Jerusalem where I talk to you tonight, certainly reach Europe, almost as far as London. But also Iran is developing military alliances with three nuclear powers, Russia, China and North Korea.

BECK: OK, Joel, I`ve got to run. I`ve got run. Thank you very much. We`ll be back in a minute.

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BECK: All right. We`re back from the weekend, and the e-mail is pouring in on our special that`s coming up on Wednesday.

Megan in California writes, "Glenn, your special is advertised on Drudge this morning. Fabulous. I know I`ll do my part in getting the word out. All of my friends will be getting an e-mail from me on Wednesday morning."

Megan, thank you. Anything that you can do to spread the world on our special Wednesday is greatly appreciated. For whatever the reason, people just do not want you to see these videos from the Middle East, and I`m kind of putting all the chips on the table by doing the special Wednesday.

This is the video that you were never meant to see and have never seen before. You can see the difference between what these foreign leaders say to us and what they`re saying to their own people, in their own language, including innocent children. It will break your heart.

We expose the extremist agenda on Wednesday, 7:00, 9:00 and midnight Eastern. Please do not miss Wednesday`s episode.

Malcolm in Florida writes in, "Your question to Danny Bonaduce was tough. Are you a bad guy trying to become good or a good guy struggling with going bad? Glenn, it sounds like we need a national referendum. I`m a Christian struggling with the same question. I`d like to know: What`s the split? Screw the Democrats versus Republicans. Let`s figure this one out."

You know, I think, with an exception of serial killers, pretty much everybody falls into one of these two categories. And I think the split is actually closer than any of us really want to admit. I know I`m on the verge of moral collapse at any moment, but most importantly I think the thing we can do is realize that, be aware how hard it is for us to remain good and decent people.

Tim in Chicago writes, "Glenn, you know, when you hear all those reports about travelers stranded in an airport somewhere on Thanksgiving weekend, you ask yourself, `What idiot is going near an airport this weekend?` Well, this year that idiot is me. Do you have any tips to make my trip more bearable?

Chicago O`Hare, holiday weekend, nope, all really pretty much fresh out of ideas on how to make that one bearable. The best thing you can do is celebrate the fact that somewhere someone has it worst than you. For example, the people on Delta Flight 5283 from New York to Washington in September. This flight was on time an impressive 0 percent of the time. That`s right, late every single time it flew during September.

Of course, there is a good shot that its typical delay of just over an hour is going to be a dream come true for you on Thanksgiving in Chicago, but, hey, what do I know?

All right. We`ll see you on the radio tomorrow, then back here tomorrow night. See you then, you sick, twisted freak.

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