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Canadian Town Takes Strong Stance Against Sharia Law; Former U.N. Ambassador Weighs in on Iran

Aired February 01, 2007 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST: Coming up, I`m going to tell you about a new law in Canada which has Muslims all riled up.
Plus, the Reverend Al Sharpton is going to be here to weigh in on Joe Biden`s botched compliment. That and more, next,

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BECK: All right. We`re finding out now that those Muslims who were arrested in England yesterday had a long list of several soldiers that they had planned to kidnap and behead live on television. All of their potential victims were Muslim, as well. And they had a list of at least 30.

The message that these terrorists were trying to send was not directed mainly to non-Muslims. I believe it was directed primarily to the Muslim world. And their message was clear. It was shut up, sit down or we`ll kill you first.

Here`s the point tonight. Political correctness is going to lead us all, Muslim and non-Muslim, to a place where we`re down on our knees and somebody is standing behind us with a machete. We need to wake up and have a frank, honest, non-hate filled discussion about the dangers of radicalized Islam.

Here`s how I got there. A Canadian town of Herouxville, it has recently issued some new laws which they say will help potential immigrants fit in. Among these laws and rules, well, there`s little things like no stoning of women in public or private. No burning women alive. Really? No burning them with acid. Children are not permitted to carry ceremonial daggers to school. Also, there`s no face covering except on Halloween.

And if these weren`t crazy enough, women are allowed to write checks and drive. I mean, Canada, why the hate here?

Why did anybody think that these laws and rules were necessary at all? First of all, honor killings are not happening in or around this town. These are common sense laws that, really, come on, the majority of Muslims and non-Muslims, they already get. But immigrants coming from places like Pakistan, where Sharia law does exist, may not.

Now, the Muslim Council of Montreal has said that these laws are intolerant and anti-immigrant. Let me tell you something, Muslim Council of Montreal. You`re absolutely right. If an immigrant wants to stone his wife, then, hey, brother, I`m anti-immigrant.

But you know what? I`m going to go a step further. I`m going to see if I can get these laws passed in my hometown. Because if you are an immigrant and you want your kids to bring daggers to school and you like burning your wife with acid, not only do I not want you in my town, I don`t want you in my country. Don`t even bother buying a ticket to America. You don`t belong here. In fact, I believe you don`t belong anywhere on planet Earth.

If you want to live this way and stone your wife and burn your daughters, go ahead, brother, crawl into that cave and live that way. Just know I`m going to hunt you down, because I don`t believe you even belong in the family of man.

The Muslim Council of Montreal has also said that Herouxville proclamation has sent the town back by decades. Really? As opposed to what, setting it back by centuries? Check the date. It`s 2007. While the stoning of women might have been a hoot in 1271, and it`s still popular in Iran, things like that are not really -- not really acceptable in the civilized world.

And if saying that I`m an anti-woman-burning-with-acid kind of guy, if that makes me a hate monger, when then paint me full of hate. I`m sure normal, good Muslims are probably thinking to themselves, "Come on, man. Why are people dog piling on us? This stuff is already illegal anyway."

Herouxville is just trying to send a message. There`s no problem with acid baths here. We don`t believe in this stuff. Great. You`re right. Yes, they are trying to send a message. Acid and stoning and kids with daggers might not be a problem yet in North America.

But there are problems like these in other countries right now. Pockets of Sharia law are popping up in France, the United Kingdom, not just in Pakistan.

In England, 65 percent of second and third generation Muslims between the ages of 16 and 25 now launch a real law which includes these things. Here in New York, I have talked to people, part of the Islamic Thinker Society. They are in favor of this.

This isn`t a problem here yet. But if we don`t draw a line in the sand for immigrants and non-immigrants and join together, it may be very soon.

So here`s what I know tonight. The world is upside-down, man. Night is day, day is night. If saying you can`t stone a woman to death is hateful, then nothing makes any sense anymore. Political correctness is going to kill us. I believe it is intentionally being used as a cover, while some people come into our countries and frighten the decent Muslims into silence and behead the rest of us.

Meanwhile, the radical Muslims are preparing for an Islamic state where we are all ruled by Sharia law.

Here`s what I don`t know. How can the Muslim Council of Montreal actually say this is hateful with a straight face? Do they know that this is insane? Do they know these things are going on around the world?

Shaheen Shariff, she`s a professor at McGill University.

Shaheen, what is the problem with outlawing public stonings?

SHAHEEN SHARIFF, PROFESSOR, MCGILL UNIVERSITY: It depends on the context with which -- in which you`re talking about it. If you`re referring to the outlawing in the small town in the interior of Quebec in Canada, then it`s completely unreasonable, because it`s not according to the Canadian constitution, and there aren`t any stonings happening there anyway.

So, you know, in every society you`ve got extremists at every level. You`ve got orthodoxy and you`ve got moderation. And...

BECK: Yes. Professor, let me ask you this, because -- and help me out. You`re a Muslim, right?

SHARIFF: Yes.

BECK: OK. So help me with this. Because I believe this story out of Canada is a warning sign to Muslims, as is the warning that come out of London yesterday.

The problem with Muslims, for non-Muslims, is that we sit here and we don`t see -- we don`t see people standing up and marching against those who are beheading.

However, these Muslim councils constantly come out and say, "I`ve got a problem with the airline," or "I`ve got a problem with a fat head talk show host that`s speaking out." But you don`t see the other.

You guys are being squeezed. The -- the non-Muslims don`t understand it, and the Muslim extremists on the other side are going to kill you if you don`t -- if you do stand up.

SHARIFF: Well, Glenn, let me -- let me put it this way. They -- I think that society today, globally, is only getting one side of the issue. And the media is largely responsible for this.

You know, yes, of course, there`s extremism in every religion, every race. There`s prejudice at every level. However, when -- when is the media going to start to...

BECK: This is -- you know what, Professor? I don`t mean to cut you off, but this is so unfair of you to say. I have offered airtime for over a year on this program that, if you are speaking out, if you want a forum, if you are holding a conference.

I just got my first person to take me up on that. The first Muslim conference here in the United States, and I`m going to go cover it.

I just read two stories in newspapers this weekend about people who were speaking out against Islam. One of the stories was in "The New York Times" this weekend. And you know what? In both stories, they both included something about how these people are threatened by Muslims for speaking out. There is a problem in your religion that doesn`t exist in -- in Catholicism.

SHARIFF: OK. First of all, when you refer to Muslims, there is an enormous diversity of Muslims globally. So one of the biggest problem is that Muslims are lumped together under this title of Muslims. There`s a lot of diversity within Islam. There are many different sects. There is orthodoxy, but there are very -- you know, there are very progressive communities, as well. There are very liberal-minded communities.

So you`ve got to -- you know, first of all, don`t lump us into one category.

BECK: Nobody -- nobody is. How do -- Professor, how do we unite? How do we get people that are non-Muslim to stand shoulder and shoulder with Muslim and fight terror, not each other? How does that happen?

SHARIFF: Well, you have to -- you know, it`s a process of education. And, unfortunately, when there is too much stereotyping from one perspective and a total lack of education within our school systems, within our society about, you know, for example, the intellectual histories of Muslims, of Islam.

The fact that Islam has a strong ethic towards peace. That, you know, there have been Muslim scholars throughout the ages. We don`t -- you know, our schools in North American and Canadian schools don`t teach the history of Muslim civilization.

BECK: Right. Shaheen, I have to cut you off. We`re out of time. I appreciate it. I appreciate the dialogue we`ve have. I tell you, though, I think the time for words is over. The time for action is coming. People need to see Muslims stand up.

Shaheen, thank you very much.

Now if you`re like -- like me, not a day goes by when you don`t think that your head is going to explode from all of these stories of political correctness. They`re running amuck. Luckily, we now have a cure.

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ANNOUNCER: This is GLENN BECK.

BECK: Coming up, former U.S. ambassador John Bolton will be here. Now that he can finally speak his mind, I`ll ask him about the nut jobs in Iran and Iraq.

Talking about putting your foot in your mouth. Senator Joe Biden could be running the shortest presidential campaign in history. I`ll talk to the Reverend Al Sharpton in "The Real Story".

Plus, actor James Cromwell stops by to discuss his role as the father of TV`s tough man, "24`s" Jack Bauer. Don`t miss it.

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BECK: Chirac also said, "A nuclear Iran, not necessarily a big deal. I mean, OK, so they`re going to launch a nuke against Israel. Israel will respond and destroy Iran. Is that that bad?"

Yes. Millions dead. Yes, I think that`s something maybe we should avoid. These French, man. How did they ever invent the fry?

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BECK: You know one of the world`s greatest understatements would probably have to be that I`m not a fan of the United Nations. I believe they`re wildly ineffective, largely corrupt and shamefully sympathetic to anti-American interests.

However, if the United States has to play along, I at least want an ambassador in there who`s going to fight for us. We used to have one. Well, we have Jeanne Kirkpatrick and right next to her, Ambassador John Bolton. Strong believer in diplomacy of force, he shocked some in Washington when he said earlier this week the United States has no strategic interest in ensuring that Iraq remain united. And we did their new government by a disservice by depriving them of their political responsibilities.

Joined now by Ambassador Bolton.

How are you, sir?

JOHN BOLTON, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO U.N.: Glad to be here.

BECK: What a pleasure. What did you mean by that?

BOLTON: Well, I think the United States does have a strategic interest in making sure that Iraq is not used as a base for terrorism to strike us or to strike our allies. But whether we are best able to achieve that through having a single Iraq or three Iraqs is the matter should be debated, not whether we think Iraq ought to remain whole for their benefit. It`s a question of what benefits the United States.

BECK: What keeps you up at night? With everything that is going on in the world, I mean, Iran spooks the living bejesus out of me, because it doesn`t seem -- it`s kind of like Iraq. There is no good solution. What keeps you up at night?

BOLTON: Well, I think both Iran and North Korea. North Korea, we believe, already has nuclear weapons. Iran is drawing close to it. But it`s not just the two of them. Everybody else is watching how we deal with Iran and North Korea.

If we deal with them ineffectively, we`re weak. If we let them continue their progress toward nuclear weapons, others will draw the consequences. So there`s really a lot more at stake in both cases than either North Korea or Iran, although they`re both plenty dangerous.

BECK: I don`t know how you -- I`ve got to give you a lot of credit for being able to walk through the doors of the U.N. I did it and stayed sane. I assume -- have you checked lately? Do you still have your soul?

BOLTON: Yes, hopefully.

BECK: Good.

BOLTON: Hopefully.

BECK: How -- how do we ever expect to be able to bring Europe or Russia and China to the table when they don`t see the world in the same way? I think Russia is an enemy of ours at this point?

BOLTON: I wouldn`t say that. But I would say that if your entire diplomacy is concentrated through the Security Council, you`re putting an unnecessary constraint for the United States. There`s obviously a benefit in having a coalition that supports you, whether it`s with respect to Iran or North Korea.

But I think our recent experience in the Security Council respecting Iran shows the limits of what the council can do given Russia and China`s position. So as Iran continues to flaunt the Security Council and say we`re going to continue and expand our nuclear program, we have to look at other measures. We have to look at other steps to take.

BECK: Do you believe that we are working with the Saudi or maybe the Saudis are even alone in collapsing the economy through driving the oil price down?

BOLTON: Well, I think the oil price is moving on its own in a variety of different directions. But I think, having looked at this very carefully for a long time, I think the greatest likelihood of a long-term movement of Iran away from the pursuit of nuclear weapons is regime change in Iran.

I think this current government, the theocracy that`s ruled since the fall of the Shah, has demonstrated by pursuing nuclear weapons for close to 20 years what their objective is.

BECK: But how do you -- how do you do that without having the rest of the world -- and how do you get regime change from the people rising up if you don`t have the rest of the world united in isolating them? I think -- I mean, you tell me what was Russia`s -- I don`t remember what his title was -- basically, the NSA, chief of NSA, what were they doing meeting with the ayatollah last week?

BOLTON: Right.

BECK: What was that about?

BOLTON: Certainly, Russia has enormous commercial interests in Iran, selling them nuclear power plants, selling them high-end, sophisticated weapons. And we have to continue to work on Russia.

But regime change can come because of dissatisfaction by the people of Iran. They are a knowledgeable, sophisticated people. They know what kind of government they`re living under. And as the price of oil has gone down, the level of discontent has gone up.

This regime change will not happen tomorrow. It`s a longer term effort. But I think it`s well worth it. And I think the circumstances in which Iran is most likely to give up the pursuit of nuclear weapons is when there`s a different government.

BECK: You know, I`ve said before we went into Iraq -- I told my radio audience. I said, you know, the weapons of mass destruction, I believe they were there, et cetera, et cetera. But I really thought we went in -- I still believe this -- that we went in for regime change of Iran. They`re the head of the snake. And what we were trying to was plant democracy on both sides and let that pressure just squeeze the people until they stand up.

Now that there is chaos in Iraq, if you don`t get that under control, what is that pleasure that allows those people to feel secure enough to stand up and say, "You know what? You ain`t pushing us around anymore. We`re taking our country back"?

BOLTON: Well, I think there are a number of things that have to change. That`s why I don`t view regime change as a short-term solution. I think the short-term solution on Iran is to increase the pressure dramatically beyond the levels that we`ve achieved so far. Increased financial pressure, increased use of the proliferation security initiative, making it clear that we`re going to move the Europeans and the Russians and the Chinese in our direction, not us following in theirs.

BECK: Do you believe that Iran is currently committing acts of war on us in Iraq?

BOLTON: I don`t think there`s any question but that the Iranian agents in Iraq know that Americans and other coalition forces are high- value targets. And I think the president has an obligation to do what he needs to do inside Iraq today to protect our troops. And he has an obligation and full constitutional authority, if he needs to, to take it into Iran.

BECK: I`ve got to tell you, it was great to have you as a U.N. ambassador. You were ambassador and cop at the same time. It`s exactly what we need at the U.N. Thank you, sir.

BOLTON: OK. Thank you.

BECK: You bet.

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BECK: All right. If there`s one thing I know about TV`s "American Idol", it`s -- I didn`t see it this week. However, I feel comfortable in saying that some of the performances were good, some of the performances were bad, Simon`s behavior was ugly, but we should double-check those facts.

Kim Caldwell, former "Idol" finalist and co-host of TV Guide Channel`s "Idol Chat".

Hello, Kim.

KIM CALDWELL, CO-HOST, TV GUIDE CHANNEL`S "IDOL CHAT": Hi, darling.

BECK: You know, going from John Bolton right to "American Idol". Lots of fun. Lots of fun.

CALDWELL: Yes. I know.

BECK: So let`s -- let`s start here. Were you disappointed that -- that Courtney Love wasn`t going to replace Paula Abdul?

CALDWELL: Oh, my goodness. What did I tell you about going there with me, Glenn? You`re going to get me in trouble, get me fired, and then I`m going to have to come and take your spot.

BECK: What? I`m just saying. I mean, that would have been -- that`s, you know, that`s replacing nitroglycerin with TNT.

CALDWELL: Just like this. Just like this, hon. Just like this.

BECK: OK.

CALDWELL: OK. Let`s talk about the people.

BECK: OK.

CALDWELL: Let`s talk about that. So this is what has really gotten me this year, is there`s been a lot of Clay Aikens. And by that, I mean, there`s been a lot of people that walk in and don`t look the part, like this guy Chris. Is that who`s singing right now with the big, fluffy hair?

BECK: Yes, he was.

CALDWELL: He was really wonderful. You would have never known it just by looking at him. And he had a great sense of humor and so witty. So I really enjoyed him.

But there`s been a lot of those people that have walked in.

BECK: So they`re...

CALDWELL: And you think they`re going to be horrible and they`re great. And then the people that walk in that have, like, the back story. Like this one girl was -- her mom was Dean Martin`s Gold-digger back in the day.

BECK: Yes.

CALDWELL: So I figured, you know, she`s got a great musical background. Her mom would know whether she`s good or bad. She was horrid. She was absolutely horrible.

BECK: You know what? Hang on -- hang on just a second. Let`s play a little bit of a that. Do we have the -- the gold-digging Dean Martin.

CALDWELL: Mariana was her name.

BECK: Watch this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m on my knees.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s really good.

SIMON COWELL, JUDGE, FOX NEWS "AMERICAN IDOL": No, she`s not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s a performer. She gets the audience going and everything. She just, you know...

COWELL: It`s just the wrong direction.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If it`s not this, it`s something else.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.

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BECK: You know what? You know what, Kim? You want to talk about a stage mom nightmare. There it is.

CALDWELL: Yes. She was hot, though. Simon and Randy said. So at least she was hot.

BECK: OK.

CALDWELL: This is what I have to -- what I have to say is once they say absolutely not. I mean, always try a second time. I believe in that. But once they say absolutely not, you`re done, you`re not good enough to be on the show, don`t continue to sing so that they`re screaming at you to get out of the room and have to be escorted by security.

BECK: Yes.

CALDWELL: Because then you look even more silly than you did, you know, if you would have just walked out.

BECK: By the way, just -- I mean, just speaking of looking silly, we went back and we found pictures of you before -- what?

CALDWELL: Glenn.

BECK: What? Before the make...

CALDWELL: What pictures are they?

BECK: Before the whole, you know, makeover of you on "American Idol". Now here`s...

CALDWELL: You`re not my friend anymore. I`m never coming back.

BECK: Here`s the thing. No, here`s the thing. We went back to look for them. Somehow they`ve been expunged from all records.

CALDWELL: I don`t know how that`s possible. I don`t understand.

BECK: So I`m asking the audience to do some digging for me. If you can find pictures of Kim when she was on "American Idol" before the makeover, send them to me.

CALDWELL: I`ll pay you more money. I`ll pay you more money. Don`t send them.

BECK: Oh, no, she won`t. Oh, no, she won`t.

CALDWELL: I`m telling you, don`t send them.

BECK: Kim, thanks a lot.

CALDWELL: I`m going to find -- I`m going to go and find some high school pictures of you.

BECK: Yes, well, we`ll see you back here next...

CALDWELL: I`m calling your mom later.

BECK: We`ll see you next year -- next week. Thanks a lot.

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BECK: All right. Welcome to "The Real Story."

Viewers have been e-mailing me like crazy about a possible cryptic terrorist video that has surface now on YouTube. It is called "Elephant on the Moon." It is posted alongside of frightening comments like, "The streets will flow with blood," and, "The time is now." These are all posted by people with Arab names. I want you to watch this video carefully and listen closely for the cryptic message.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Overheads are stable, and productivity is up. So we`re looking very good for Q4. Of course it`s always possible that we won`t meet target and make a loss. But really, that`s about as likely as elephants on the moon.

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BECK: OK, now a lot of people believe this is some sort of cryptic message alerting extremists to an impending attack. But the real story? It is reportedly part of a viral marketing campaign for the TV show "24." The reason I play it for you now is because I think it perfectly illustrates how easy it is in this day and age to play on people`s fears for just cash or ratings.

That, of course, is also exactly what happened yesterday in Boston, when police virtually shut the city down after finding suspicious-looking devices that turned out to be nothing more than an ad campaign for a late- night cartoon series owned by CNN`s parent company, TBS. Wow, both the fake terrorist videos and bombs are completely idiotic, irresponsible, and, honestly, inexcusable.

I`m not sure if you`ve noticed, but terrorist hoaxes just aren`t as funny as they were before 9/11. The anthrax attacks, multiple beheadings kind of squeeze all the fun out of those hoaxes. People write in all the time and accuse me of whipping up a frenzy against Islam. They say I`m creating fear and mistrust of Arabs and I`m doing it just for ratings.

I`ve got news for you: I do it because I believe it with all my own heart. But the only way we`ll ever understand each other is to have thoughtful, honest conversations that are based on the truth.

Now, if there`s ratings as a by-product, well, that`s because viewers agree. But stunts like these absolutely kill any progress we make. Hopefully whoever is responsible for both of these things will learn their lesson inside a prison cell. If not, maybe, you know what, we can enroll them in, you know, in a radio contest to see who can drink the most water. That would be funny. And it just might prove how harmless it is to play with people`s lives for fun.

Next, imagine being a guy who donated big money to Joe Biden`s presidential campaign yesterday only to flip the TV on three minutes later and say, "What did he just say?" If you don`t know the story, then, well, first of all, congratulations, you have a life. But Senator Biden basically said that Barack Obama is, quote, "the first mainstream African- American who is articulate, and bright, and clean, and a nice-looking guy."

Joe, I mean, I`ve never run for president, but I`m pretty sure that`s not going to help your chances of winning. Of course, the media jumped on it like white on -- OK, probably a bad phrase. Shouldn`t use that one.

But the media is involved now because they love nothing more than a good racism charge. The real story is that I think everybody is missing today is not whether Joe Biden is a racist; it`s about how people are exploiting or defending the possibility based on their own agenda.

I`ll be honest with you, I have virtually nothing in common with Joe Biden, but I could actually sympathize with him. I think his statement was stupid, irresponsible, and, quite frankly, incorrect. But I understand what it`s like to have every word you ever say examined by people who are looking to take you down.

Hey, Mr. Democrat, maybe you can see how us conservatives feel now, huh? I am the king of poorly worded questions. So, Joe, I get it. Maybe you meant clean-cut or fresh when you said clean. I don`t really know. Maybe you meant that Obama appeals to the mainstream, like suburbia. I`m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but maybe now you`re starting to see that people aren`t always interested in the explanation, and they`ll just jump to the worst possible conclusion.

But here`s the thing. My sympathy started this morning with Joe Biden and then it kind of faded as soon as I started doing some research on how he reacted in 2002 when Trent Lott caused his own controversy over race. You remember that? Lott had insinuated that voting in 1948 for the then- segregationist Strom Thurmond for president would have alleviated a lot of future problems.

Well, afterwards, Biden said, and I quote, "It`s insensitive as hell. It`s very offensive. Race is serious stuff. It`s not something you kid about." And then, quote, "You can`t be insensitive to race issues from positions of leadership."

OK. Wait a minute. You only made a mistake, but Trent Lott is a racist? OK, good. I just wanted to make sure I was clear that you`re now the poster child for double standards. But don`t worry, Joe. You`re not alone.

Jesse Jackson was offended by the Trent Lott comment, and he called for his resignation from the Senate. Joe Biden, fellow Democrat, Jackson said, quote, "It was a gaffe." How about Al Gore? 2002, Gore said that Trent Lott`s comment was racist. He should apologize or face censure from the Senate. Today? Oh, you haven`t heard a peep from Mr. Robot. No, he must be in for repairs. But I guarantee you, if Mitt Romney or if I would have said the same thing, oh, the robot would have been a well-oiled machine, rolling all over cable news programs to call for Romney`s head.

All I ask for people, you know, especially our politicians, please be honest. Say what you really believe, not what your party wants you to say you believe. There`s not much more I hate than hypocrisy and double standards, but once again we see that that`s all Washington is built on.

Reverend Al Sharpton, actually, he`s here. And I believe, Reverend, that the Biden comment, more a slam on you than a racist statement.

THE REVEREND AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Well, I think that if he had only said me, you might have a basis to say that. He said first, meaning any of us that ran, me, Shirley Chisholm, Jesse Jackson, Doug Wilder. He did not name any of us, which is I think why many people took it as what it is, a collective statement about all other black candidates that have run for president.

BECK: Have you had a bath lately, sir?

SHARPTON: Every morning. And, in fact, I took a bath last Thursday morning before I met with Senator Biden.

BECK: Really? Get out of here.

SHARPTON: That is the exact kind of question which is why it has been so offensive to so many of us.

BECK: My gosh. Is there a possibility -- because you know Joe Biden. I don`t know Joe Biden. So I don`t know if he`s a racist or not. But, you know, I want to give the man the benefit of the doubt, something people wouldn`t do with Trent Lott. But give the man a benefit of the doubt and said what he meant was clean-cut, not to say you weren`t clean-cut, but I`m trying. What do you think he meant by that?

SHARPTON: Well, again, I mean, Joe Biden came on my syndicated radio show today. He said it`s a term his mother uses. And whatever he meant, I think he acknowledges what he said was very offensive and just totally untrue.

I think that the real offense to me is to get any of these candidates to talk about the things that Shirley Chisholm and Jesse Jackson and today I ran for in the first place, and that is to deal with the other sides of America that`s so far been ignored in this debate.

I mean, the president at the State of the Union address didn`t even mention New Orleans. So what`s even more offensive is that I think that a lot of the issues are being ignored. And as I told him on my show, the dirt, if there`s any dirt, it`s we`ve had to fight against some dirty policies. And sometimes you get dirt on your hands because you fight dirty situations.

BECK: All right, all right, all right. Now, Reverend, you and I, we had a great discussion. We sat down for an hour. And in your words, we don`t necessarily even agree on the weather. I came away with a great respect for you and somebody who could deal with something honestly.

So let me ask you an honest question. There`s a huge double standard here. If Mitt Romney would have said this, if I would have said this, I would have been drummed out into the public square and flogged. If Mitt Romney would say this, it would destroy his career. Trent Lott said a harmless gaffe, as Al Gore is calling this with Joe Biden, and he was taken out of the Senate. I mean, come on. Do you see the double standard?

SHARPTON: Well, first of all, when I said today to Senator Biden is I thought this was beyond the macaca statement of George Allen. I think Reverend Jackson has said it was offensive. So, again, a lot of people that have no...

BECK: There`s a difference between offensive and drumming a guy out of the Senate. I mean...

SHARPTON: Well, first of all, Joe Biden didn`t say, "Let`s go back to the good old days of segregation."

BECK: Yes, but that was a birthday. I don`t want to rehash that, but, I mean, come on.

SHARPTON: Whether it was at a birthday party or a wedding, to say, "Let`s go back to the good old days when blacks were on the back of the bus," is a bit much.

BECK: He did not say that.

SHARPTON: He said that, when Strom Thurmond ran on a segregationist ticket, it was a better country then, a segregationist ticket.

BECK: Wait a minute. But you know what? This is the argument that people -- because I talk about Norman Rockwell`s America, that I would love to get back to that picket fence America. Well, you know what? Wait a minute. They were hosing people down at the same time.

SHARPTON: Good. I was on the same show, and I got respect for you, and I believe you will tell the truth. Thurman didn`t run on a picket fence America ticket. He ran on a segregation ticket. Let`s be real honest now.

BECK: I know. I`m here. I`m with you on that. I get that.

SHARPTON: All right, so don`t compare that...

BECK: But you`ve got to tell me that there is a double standard in America when it comes to race comments, when they are just stupid comments that come out. You`ve got to be able to say, "Well, that was a dumb comment. You should never say that. You should apologize."

SHARPTON: The only reason that you cannot say that in this case is he specifically said other African-American candidates, first African-American candidate. He brought race into it. And he can`t now just take it out of it. I think he has tried to come and say what he`s tried to say and explain it, but the statement in itself was race-based.

BECK: I`m with you, Al. I just hope that you`re with me when Republicans say something very similar and very stupid.

SHARPTON: I hope you`re with me, and we`ll see, Glenn.

BECK: I will be. Reverend Al Sharpton, thank you. That`s "The Real Story" tonight. Back in a flash.

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BECK: Obama, they`ve now tracked him down. It looks like he`s related to George Washington and James Madison. Is this kind of like doing the genealogy back from Joseph? We`ve got him back to our founding fathers. Can we get him back to King David? If we can, the messiah has come back.

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BECK: So James Cromwell has played a U.S. president three times. He has acted as royalty, as England`s Prince Phillip, in Oscar-nominated "Queen." He`s been nominated for best supporting actor for playing a farmer in "Babe." But what I really want to know is, what`s it like to be on "24"?

How are you, sir?

JAMES CROMWELL, ACTOR, "24": I`m fine, thank you.

BECK: "24," I`m a huge fan of "24." Like two episodes ago, they said Jack`s father, and I thought, "I wonder if they`re going to take Donald Sutherland."

CROMWELL: I did, too.

BECK: Did you?

CROMWELL: Yes.

BECK: Any insight on that? Why didn`t -- I mean, no offense, but, I mean, why didn`t they pick him?

CROMWELL: Well, I don`t want to speak out of turn, so I don`t know. I think Donald probably wanted a little more assurance. You never know from one day to the next what you`re going to be doing on "24." And maybe Donald had other fish to fry.

BECK: I`ll tell you, when you first came on, I thought, "Oh, come on, Jack`s whole family can`t be evil." Well, you never know. Do you know if you`re evil yet or not? How far along do you get in this show? How far ahead do they show you on whether you`re evil or not? Do you know how your character is going to end up?

CROMWELL: I actually went in when I first met them and said, "So is there any redeeming feature at all?" And they sort of gulped, because I think they thought, "Not really, but we`re not really sure."

BECK: Last Monday, I saw you looked like -- whoa, wait a minute, what`s happening? My son is bad. And you looked like you were a good guy. So are you telling me you`re turning into a bad guy?

CROMWELL: That I couldn`t tell you.

BECK: Right.

CROMWELL: I couldn`t tell you.

BECK: You know, you weasel.

CROMWELL: Everything goes downhill.

BECK: So I have to tell you, I was a little nervous about this interview, because you were on the radio show with me a couple of weeks ago, in fact, the day that "24" was on. And you never told me that you were going to be on "24." It hadn`t been revealed yet.

CROMWELL: Oh.

BECK: And you yelled at me.

CROMWELL: Did I really?

BECK: You were very angry with me.

CROMWELL: Oh, it must have been the morning.

BECK: Right, because I saw "The Queen," and I saw it at an airplane on the way home, and I thought the family looked horrible. Don`t yell at me. I`m reminding you.

CROMWELL: Oh, yes. That`s what I yelled at you about. Now it comes back.

BECK: And you said, no, that`s a great family. They look great.

CROMWELL: No, I didn`t say it was a great family. No, I feel that -- I understand why an audience would think that Phillip is the stick in the mud of the group. But, actually, his intention is to protect his wife. And although maybe he doesn`t do it appropriately, of course, they`re beyond any sort of control, societal control. They can do anything they want.

BECK: They live on another planet.

CROMWELL: Another planet.

BECK: It`s weird. And Charles looks like such a weasel, and yet he`s presenting himself like, "And can we have the plane to bring my wife`s body back?" I mean, it`s just bizarre the life they live.

CROMWELL: I know. I know. Very bizarre.

BECK: How much did you get to know your character?

CROMWELL: Well, I actually performed for Phillip and the queen at Guildhall. And then afterwards, we had a little reception and tea. I didn`t talk to her majesty very much, but I talked to Phillip a little bit.

BECK: About -- did you tell him you were...

CROMWELL: No, I didn`t know. I was doing another picture at the time, and they just invited me because I happened to be in London. But he gave the most wonderful speech. He`s the head of the World Wildlife Fund. And he was talking about endangered species and the environment, saying, "We`ll never get to control this until we get some sort of control over multinational corporations," which I thought was very important.

BECK: OK, now you promise not to yell at me?

CROMWELL: I won`t yell.

BECK: I heard something that I don`t know is true. And this is coming out of space, and I...

CROMWELL: Uh-oh.

BECK: Is it true that you save your own waste?

CROMWELL: What does that mean?

BECK: That you save your own bodily waste? I`ve heard...

CROMWELL: Isn`t that great? Web sites are really great.

BECK: That`s what I have heard. I have heard -- because you`re a vegan, right? You became vegan? You`re not even a vegan.

CROMWELL: I am a vegan.

BECK: You are a vegan. OK...

CROMWELL: Yes.

BECK: And that happened you...

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CROMWELL: I don`t know what that has to do with saving your own waste...

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BECK: I don`t know. I heard that you were a vegan. I don`t know if you traveled to another planet or what, but you all of a sudden said, "I`ve got to save my own waste."

CROMWELL: No, not at all. Actually, there is. I am a strong proponent of non-water toilets, which is a Swedish invention in which it goes into a compost and comes out compost that you can put -- the bacteria eats up all the...

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BECK: OK, but you`re not like saving it in a box and then bringing it out?

CROMWELL: No, it was in my character on "Six Feet." My son sent it to me in a box. It had nothing to do with me. I`m not responsible -- I didn`t write that show.

BECK: I`m just asking. I`m just asking.

CROMWELL: I mean, I`m weird, but I`m not that weird.

BECK: Good to talk to you. Best of luck to you. Thank you so much.

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BECK: All right. Every red-blooded person in the universe on Sunday is going to be watching the Super Bowl, except for me. Actually, I probably will. I`ll tune in, you know, for a few minutes. Apparently some people gamble on this game?

Every year we predict the winner of the Super Bowl in kind of a different way. It`s by which team has the most players who have had brushes with the law. Stu, my executive producer on radio, is here with this year`s breakdown.

Stu, why exactly do we think this works?

STU BURGUIERE, "GLENN BECK" CORRESPONDENT: It`s all about aggressiveness, Glenn. These people are willing to go through anything, maybe even the law, to get to their goals.

BECK: All right, so tell me, who is the most aggressive team based on this?

BURGUIERE: Well, we`ve got the bears up here. They start with Tank Johnson. He`s been in the news quite a bit. He`s had 10 gun possession charges he`s up for right now, and he`s been arrested three times in 18 months. Great production.

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BECK: This is the guy who actually had to get permission from the judge to be able to go...

BURGUIERE: To go to work.

BECK: That`s good. To be able to work, that`s good.

BURGUIERE: That`s very good. Plus, his name is Tank, which is awesome. Doesn`t get any better than that. Then you`ve got Peyton Manning. He`s a big name, obviously. He was sued by a former trainer who accused him of putting his naked butt on her face. The case was settled out of court in 2003...

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BECK: That`s kind of a wussy next to Tank.

BURGUIERE: I know, but it did get him a BOF, which is a butt-on-face violation. It is sort of a big deal. The other Manning on the Bears, Ricky Manning, Jr., of course you know him. You`re familiar with him...

BECK: Of course. He`s Peyton`s brother.

BURGUIERE: Not at all. But he gets a grand slam here, Glenn, and that`s because he beat the crap out of someone at a Denny`s.

BECK: Oh, that`s good. Was it a waiter or waitress?

BURGUIERE: It was just another guy on a laptop apparently. He was calling him a nerd and beat the crap out of him.

BECK: OK, so that`s good. That`s again with the Bears.

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BURGUIERE: Yes, yes. The black one is the Bears. The blue, that signifies the Colts. That`s their colors.

BECK: OK, good.

BURGUIERE: And then we`ve got Dominic Rhodes, a running back, of course. He had a domestic abuse back in 2002, had another fight that he was involved in. This one, however, ended up in a cat fight. And the cat fight basically was because his wife showed up and beat the crap out of the woman he was having dinner with.

BECK: OK, so he didn`t actually beat her up?

BURGUIERE: No, no.

BECK: The wife did? You should get the wife on the Colts. I`m just saying. I`m just saying. So, in a nutshell, who is going to win this weekend?

BURGUIERE: Honestly, if I had -- we put it into the super computer. The deal is it keeps spinning out the Cincinnati Bengals winning, which they`re not even in the game.

BECK: Yes, no. But if this were right, it would be the Bengals.

BURGUIERE: More arrests than wins this year, Glenn. So they`ll find a way to get through the game.

BECK: Thank you very much. Stu, we`ll see you tomorrow on the radio. We`ll see you back here tomorrow night. See you later, you sick freak.

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