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Aired March 10, 2007 - 22:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The person that has this baby is listening, I would just implore them, please, take him some place safe. Drop him off if need be.
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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: A three-day old baby stolen from the maternity ward. Police are looking for the kidnapper. We are looking into hospital security.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm the guy who's going to take the long way around with the kids in the shopping mall.
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SANCHEZ: Steven is a child molester. He admits it. Should he be allowed to live among us or locked up? You decide.
And this video. Yes, it actually is what you think it is. And he's done it before. We'll be all over this one.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) - in my mind, we're just - it was unforgivable.
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SANCHEZ: Then, why are soldiers who risk their lives for us not getting the care they need from us? This in the CNN NEWSROOM.
Hello, again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez. Here's what's going on right now. There is a desperate search for a newborn stolen right out of a Texas hospital. Now we've got some photos we're going to show you. There it is. See that? Got that in just a short time ago. That's the woman. She seems to be walking out of the hospital. Police believe that's the woman who actually went into the hospital brazenly and just took the baby right out of the maternity ward. She is on the run tonight. Been looking her. They're looking for the baby.
And here's worse information that, unfortunately, we need to share with you. This newborn is not at all in perfect health. There is a lot going on. Let's do this first of all. I think we got an opportunity now to take it to Bryan Mudd. Yes, there he is. Bryan Mudd of our Lubbock, Texas affiliate KLBK.
Take us through this, Bryan. How did this all come about?
BRYAN MUDD: Well, it happened overnight, Rick, about 1:00 a.m. in the morning. A woman posing as a nurse there at Covenant Lakeside Hospital entered the mother's room. Said we need to take the baby down the hall for a new set of tests. Ended up walking right out of that hospital with the baby.
Of course, the babies of course there, as they are in hospitals all over the country, protected by different wrist bands or...
SANCHEZ: Well, hold up.
MUDD: ...ankle bracelets and things like that.
SANCHEZ: Before we go to that, how'd she get in?
MUDD: Well, that's an interesting question. A lot of people are talking about tonight. Covenant Lakeside Hospital's facility here in Lubbock is not one of those facilities or hospitals you would see guarded or a lot of security guards around that area 24 hours a day.
SANCHEZ: Well, I don't mean...
MUDD: And...
SANCHEZ: I don't mean the hospital, Bryan. I'm talking, you know, hey, I've had babies, plenty of them. I know what it's like in maternity wards. I mean, those nurses are very, very vigilant. How did she get into the maternity ward?
MUDD: Sometimes when you're in the overnight hours, I think this is what we're looking at here, at least police are going by this hour...
SANCHEZ: Yes.
MUDD: ...someone looking the part in the scrubs. And you see in the surveillance video, she's wearing the blue scrubs. She's walking in there. And she's saying hey, we need to check your daughter out down the hall. Middle of the night, maybe a mother waking up. And the worse case scenario happens after that.
Now getting out of the hospital is a much different story. And...
SANCHEZ: Yes, because you were mentioning about the bracelet, right? They use those special bracelets that are like electronically monitored?
MUDD: Sure. There are two bracelets that go on the babies ankles here at Covenant Lakeside Hospital here in Lubbock and in most hospitals, I think these days. One is an identification bracelet that the babies wear, along with the mom's and dad's identification numbers that have to be checked out by all the nurses whenever that baby leaves the room.
There is also a security electronic ankle bracelet that is supposed to sound alarms if it is cut or if the babies are taken too close to the elevators while that bracelet is still in the active mode in a security system.
Now that did not happen. A bracelet that belonged to this particular baby, Michel Darthur (ph), was found just basically lying on the floor somewhere. And we've been looking for answers to what had happened tonight from the hospital folks. And they have not been able to tell us too much as far as that tonight.
SANCHEZ: Well, you know what...
MUDD: The speculation is -- and it's speculation, Rick, it's just speculation but the speculation goes, at this hour, that the -- maybe this woman knew someone on the inside of the hospital...
SANCHEZ: Right.
MUDD: ...was able to garner some information. And that was how this was able to come about. And they actually have a special hotline number at Covenant Lakeside here in Lubbock just specifically for hospital employees to call anonymously if they need to, to see if they can get some information on if they recognize this woman or what happened.
SANCHEZ: We've got a lot to get to. But just tell us real quick, what's the baby's condition. What's going on with that? You've got about 30 seconds.
MUDD: The worry here, Rick, is that the baby was a bit underweight and jaundiced. Now it's not out of the question for a baby to be jaundiced. 90 percent of babies are, especially at that young of age, three-days old, but now doctors don't know how severe it is because she's not with him, Rick.
SANCHEZ: Bryan, good stuff, man. We'll try and get back to you if we can. You know, we all want to see if we can get these two back together again. Thanks so much, Bryan, for bringing us that report from Lubbock.
I want to take you back stage now to introduce you to someone who knows an awful lot about this. This is Sujatha Reddy. She's at Emory University, one of the finest institute's of higher learning in the entire world.
Apparently this child was wearing one of these bracelets, which they use in maternity wards, right?
SUJATHA REDDY, DR., EMORY UNIV. SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Right.
SANCHEZ: Describe to us how this works. What is it? REDDY: Well, this attaches to the baby's leg or arm. And this has -- is a transponder. And it sends a signal.
And this type has a sensor on the back that if it gets unattached and loses contact with the baby's skin, this sends a signal to the nurse's station where there's a monitor of all of these and lets it know that Baby "X" that had this bracelet has been removed. And it sets the whole unit into shutdown or alarm.
SANCHEZ: In fact, yes, you were actually saying the elevators will stop working.
REDDY: Absolutely.
SANCHEZ: If this -- if someone wearing this comes near it, right?
REDDY: Correct. This shuts down. It locks the door, shuts down the elevators if this gets anywhere near. So you cannot leave the unit or the building.
SANCHEZ: But apparently, she didn't have that. Apparently, the person who took her, either took that thing off or cut it off. So she may have been able to leave because you could take this off, right?
REDDY: Correct. If they didn't have the kind with the skin sensor, if you cut it off, then yes, and you left that transponder let's say in the room or in the bassinet, and just took the baby, it wouldn't make a noise.
SANCHEZ: That's fascinating. Now this baby seems to be in dire straits. They're talking about it being jaundiced. They're talking about it needing electrolytes, needing perhaps mother's milk because if it doesn't, it can get very ill. Explain that to us.
REDDY: Well, newborns can't digest the same milk that we would buy in the grocery store.
SANCHEZ: Right.
REDDY: They have to have formula or mother's milk. They don't have the enzymes in their system to break down the type of sugars that are in regular milk. So whoever has this baby needs to know you cannot feed it just regular milk you get out of your fridge.
As far as the jaundice, if that's not treated and it is getting worse or it is at a high level in the blood, the (INAUDIBLE) level, this baby could have some serious problems.
SANCHEZ: That's why we're going to be watching this. Dr. Reddy, thanks so much for coming in and explaining this to us.
REDDY: Thank you.
SANCHEZ: And while we let go of the doctor, let's move on back to this picture, because this is important tonight. Now take a look at this woman right here once again. And as we look at it, let me get the telestrator out. I want to show you something.
We don't know whether she's walking in or walking out at that time, but is that a bulge right there on the jacket? I mean, is it possible that she could be carrying the baby while she's coming out of the hospital and nobody was able to notice? I mean, this is what officials are obviously trying to figure out.
Lubbock authorities are telling us that they're desperate for any kind of information that you could possibly give them that could lead them to the baby or the alleged kidnapper that's seen here.
The number to call, by the way, is going to be right here on the screen. We're going to put it up for you. There it is. (806) 775- 2788. (806) 775-2788. And that's an earlier sketch they've done of the woman, but obviously you could see a much better picture of her when you look at that picture we showed you once again.
Here's the number. (806) 775-2788. A lot more on this.
Tonight, we're also doing this. We're following up on a question that we've really been asking all week. And it's got to do with this man right here. That's John Couey.
In just a few days, there's a sentencing hearing that's going to start for him. He was convicted of Jessica Lunsford's brutal rape and murder. She was only nine-years old.
It's not his first offense. And that's why we're asking this question. He was already convicted as a sex offender. His rap sheet goes back to 1978. So why was this guy on the loose in the first place when he and others like him have even admitted that they can't stop wanting to abuse little kids?
Here's CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta with some answers.
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"STEVEN", CONVICTED PEDOPHILE: It involves several young male boys, over a period of time from the time I was about 20 to 47, 48-years old. And it wasn't a continuous thing. It was something that went like a broken tire, flat tire in a car. You'd go along and things would be OK, and then you'd hit the flat spot and you would abuse.
SANJAY GUPTA, HOST, "HOUSECALL": There's no doubt this man is a pedophile. The bigger question, is he a criminal or a patient?
STEVEN: I'm the guy that's going to take the long way around a group of kids in a shopping mall.
GUPTA: Steven, who has asked for his name to be changed and to be interviewed in silhouette, spent three years in prison after being convicted of acts of pedophilia as a crime.
Since then, he has been treated for pedophilia as an illness. Admittedly it is blurry. Increasingly, we medicalize bad behavior. Alcoholism, violence, even murder may all be due to imbalances of chemicals in the brain. But the risk is we may let criminals pay a lesser price for monstrous deeds or punish patients for whom treatment could prevent future crimes.
STEVEN: It's not a disease. It's not a bacteria or virus. It is a mental illness. OK? It's a cognitive dysfunction that people can get. Is somebody born with it? Some people might be born with it.
GUPTA: As for Steven himself, he's not sure whether he was born with it. He is sure that for almost 30 years, he molested more than a dozen children.
It was only the combined force of the police, court, and prison that could break Steven's cycle of abuse. Pedophilia has been a diagnosable mental illness for decades, simply to find an abnormal sexual attraction for children.
And while there are no brain scans or blood tests to confirm the diagnosis, there is a battery of treatments ranging from psychotherapy to anti depressants to forms of chemical castration with anti- androgens aimed at reducing testosterone and sex drive.
PAUL FEDOROFF, DR., SEXUAL BEHAVIOR PSYCHIATRIST: The aim of treatment in pedophilia is not for people to stop having sex, but rather to modify their sexual interests so that they become non- criminal.
GUPTA: Steven's course involved two strategies, antidepressants to curb sex drive and psychotherapy to understand why he has abused.
Now nearly eight years after being convicted, he says no longer thinks of children sexually.
STEVEN: I don't spend enough time thinking about them to have fantasies. So it's like a guillotine coming down. There's a child, I remember terrible things happened. I don't want to go there. Clank, done, over with, let's change our thought pattern and go some place else.
GUPTA: But can treatment work for everyone? Can pedophilia ever really be cured? Many are cautious, including Dr. Gene Abel, director of Behavioral Medicine at Emory University.
GENE ABEL, DR., BEHAVIORAL MEDICINE INST. OF ATLANTA: Rheumatoid arthritis never goes away. Congestive heart failure is never cured. Diabetes is never cured. This is not cured. This behavior, inappropriate behavior, is not cured. We just help the person stop this behavior.
STEVEN: I would say when you get to the definition of cured being I don't want to, I don't feel like and I have no interest. If that's your definition of cured, then you've got a lot of people out there that have been cured.
If your definition to be cured never, ever, having had a pedophilic thought in your life, then there is no cure. An alcoholic isn't a drunk if he never drinks again. Right? Is he cured? Well, might as well be.
GUPTA: As far as pedophiles go, though, for now at least, they will be treated as both patients and criminals.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.
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SANCHEZ: Yes, we found that amazing, as well. So here's what we want you to think about. Do you think that someone like that can be cured? Or are people like him -- well, are they just criminals or are they patients? And should we treat them as criminals? Or should we treat them as patients?
Give us a call, 1-800-807-2620. And we're going to air some of your responses right here later this hour.
This is the outrage video of the day. Look at this. It's 101-year- old woman being beaten while she's being robbed. It's going to make you angry when you watch it. The pictures you've just got to see. We're going to be sharing them with you.
Also, this is the welcome that President Bush is getting in South America. It's much more than a cold shoulder in fact. More on his trip in just five minutes.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think Barack Obama can do that?
LOUIS FARRAKHAN, MINISTER, NATION OF ISLAM: No. Absolutely not!
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SANCHEZ: Strong opinions. Our Don Lemon's going to join us live in just a little bit for more on this one-on-one conversation that he's had with Louis Farrakhan. Now Farrakhan doesn't usually cotton to the media all that well. So this is a rare interview.
And then later, tracking down a mega millionaire. A CNN reporter is on the case. And you're going to see what he does to actually take you through the steps that he had to take to try and get an end result in this story. It's going to be good, we promise. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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SANCHEZ: Hi, we've moved to the Epic Center now. This is where we get videos from all over the world and all over the country. And I want to show you one that is probably going to make you mad.
This is in Queens, New York. Look at this mugger attacking this woman. She's 101-years old. She was on her way to church, by golly, when suddenly this man met her at the front door, takes her purse, starts rummaging through it. By the way, she only had $33 in there. But then he goes back for more. Starts sticking his hands in her pockets and doesn't leave well enough alone. Now he's going to knock her to ground with another right cross. Look at that. She falls with her walker.
Even worse news is that he's also done this to another 85-year-old woman who lives in the area. And now police are looking for him.
This is what we've got for you. Here's a picture. I know it's not great picture, but you can kind of make out his face right there. If you live in the area around Queens, New York police department want to know if you can recognize this guy and can help them find him.
Let's move on to the other story now as well. This is another person who seemingly goes berserk. This is in Las Vegas. The guy apparently is sitting playing one of those slot machines they have at some grocery stores, when suddenly he gets up, takes out a knife and starts attacking all the people who are going to this grocery store, as well as some of the employees there.
Finally, the security guard tries to see if he control him by throwing a shopping cart at him. You'll see it right there. And then he tries to get away, but the guy comes after him. They start to scuffle. You'll see that he seems to cut him because there's some blood on his waist there. By the way, why did this guy do this? Here's his explanation.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did it because I had fear that somebody wanted to kill me.
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SANCHEZ: It's tough at this point for police or anybody else to try and understand it, but as you see, he's now charged and has been apprehended.
Also, the case here. We're going to take you to Augusta, Georgia. For some reason, someone in an SUV decides that they're going to run the car right into a shopping mall and then start driving through the shopping mall as if they were some kind of pedestrian or customer.
They drive through the shopping mall from beginning to end, more than $1,000 in damages. You'd think actually it would be more at this point.
The good news is that police and security guards knew he was there, so they waited for him to come out. And after he voila crashes through the gate, they're out there waiting for him and were able to arrest him. He's been charged with tonight, among other things, a DUI.
By the way, being told by producers now the story we told you about the 101-year-old lady and the 85-year-old woman who was accosted by that mugger in Queens, New York, we've now got tape coming in where you'll actually be able to hear them. They've been interviewed by a New York affiliate of ours. And you'll be able to listen to what they're saying about this. So we'll have that for you as soon as we come back right here in the CNN NEWSROOM. Stay with us.
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SANCHEZ: Boy, this is what we've been seeing for the past couple of days now, violent protests following President Bush as he continues his tour of Latin America.
Look at this angry crowd. This is in Uruguay. Some protesters burned an effigy of the president. Others threw rocks. Some ransacked some shops there. Hooligans on the street as well.
If that wasn't enough, fights also broke out among some of the demonstrators themselves. Police say they arrested about 30 people in all.
Also, protests in Brazil, where Mr. Bush began his trip Thursday. He's spending the night in Uruguay before he's heading then to Columbia tomorrow.
Earlier, the president discussed trade issues with the Uruguayan counterpart there. And you see him posing at one of the retreats with the first ladies as well.
Now we've been getting these pictures and we've been checking them all week long through some of these monitors. We've really marveled at some of the pictures of these protests that we've had coming in. I don't even think the administration expected this.
Tonight, President Bush is still hours away from the next stopover, which is going to be in Bogota, Colombia. But the city's already extremely tense.
In fact, you want to see just how tense it is there? Take a look. This is a report filed by CNN's Karl Penhaul, who ended up right in the thick of it.
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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A homemade explosive rocks a police riot truck. Hundreds of masked students run for cover as water canons douse them. The chant is "Yankees out." These running battles lasted through the afternoon in protest at U.S. President George Bush's planned visit to Colombia on Sunday.
FERMIN, STUDENT PROTESTOR: So we fight not only for the Bush visit, it's also because we believe that a new Colombia is possible. That a new Latin America is possible.
PENHAUL: The interview abruptly ends as tear gas fired by the police rains down on campus. Radical students at Bogota's biggest public university normally reject contact with the media but months ago I met some of their leaders and on this rare occasion they agreed to show me the protest from their perspective. Despite that acceptance, it's a chaotic scene, making it impossible to do an on- camera stand-up. "He's coming to sell us out. We're fighting against Bush's visit" this student says. A team of his masked comrades launch fireworks through PVC pipes.
Another group takes aim by the wall where I'm taking cover too. Police and the government accuse communist rebels of infiltrating Colombia's university campuses. The students, though, reject the terrorist tag. They describe themselves as a mixture of communist sympathizers, anarchists, leftists and nationalists. Today they're united with one aim. "This is a demonstration of Colombian dignity. We will not become the slaves of U.S. imperialism," he says. Washington funds Colombia's war on drugs and against communist guerillas with around $700 million a year. Critics like these students say that's meddling. Police battled through the afternoon to contain the riot to the campus. Violence flared on nearby street corners. The tear gas began to clear. The riot trucks pulled back. Leaving the students to chant "victory."
Karl Penhaul, CNN, Bogata, Colombia.
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SANCHEZ: And there's this story. Some say that he is brutally honest. Others say he's just downright brutal. Louis Farrakhan, he talks to CNN's Don Lemon. And Don's going to join me in a little bit. He's going to be talking about Farrakhan's thoughts on a couple things.
First of all, President Bush and also something a lot of people have been talking about all over the country, the use of the "n" word, good or bad.
And we've got some new information coming in on this. Remember this story we told you about a little while ago, the old woman that's beaten up by this thug?
Well, she's talking tonight about this. We've been talking to her. And don't forget to call us now about the sexual predators? Do you think that they should be cured? Or should they just be locked up and left there like throw away the key? Our number, 1-800-807-2620. We're going to read some of your responses. That's coming up in about, oh, 30 minutes. Stay with us.
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FARRAKHAN: The world is urinating on you. And you have to have a place where you can purify yourself from politics, so you can be a real human being that doesn't promise people what you know you can't deliver.
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SANCHEZ: Boy, you talk about some colorful language. Now that's Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan last month in what may have been, may have been his final public appearance.
Now this is a guy who doesn't usually talk to those of us in the media. So CNN'S Don Lemon is joining us here now. Got a chance to go inside his home. How you did get that?
DON LEMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, I was persistent. And also, I came from Chicago.
SANCHEZ: Right.
LEMON: And he is - you know, lives in Chicago. And I happen to know a few people who went to -- at least one person, a very good friend of mine who went to school with his daughter, and is friends with his daughter. And said I said, you know what? Your dad is sick. I would really want to talk to him. She told me who to call. And I just kept bugging him for months and months because I knew he was going to give a speech. And I knew he had been ill.
SANCHEZ: You're from Chicago. There's somebody else from Chicago...
LEMON: Yes.
SANCHEZ: ..or at least certainly well known in that area. And that is Obama.
LEMON: Yes. And I had to ask him that during the thing. I mean, they live in the same neighborhood, not that far apart. And since, you know, Obama is this rising star now...
SANCHEZ: Right.
LEMON: ...that's the quote, "rock star," right, I had to ask him about Barack Obama.
SANCHEZ: What did he say?
LEMON: He said - well, he likes him, and then, but he's not so sure. Why don't we take a listen?
SANCHEZ: All right. Let's listen up.
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FARRAKHAN: I think he's capable of being an answer. But who will provide him with the money so he can contend with Mrs. Clinton and her big bank or Giuliani and Mccain and their growing bank? So the people that bankroll you, they're the ones that ultimately call the tune.
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SANCHEZ: So he's saying if you got to collect a hundred million dollars to run for president, those are a hundred million dollars worth of favors you've got to pay back.
LEMON: Well, I don't know if he's saying that, but what he's saying is that the poor people...
SANCHEZ: Don't give him the money. LEMON: ...they don't have the money to give him. So the people who are giving him the money ultimately once he is in he White House, if he ever gets to the White House, he's going to owe those people. That's what he's saying.
SANCHEZ: Well, you know what's interesting about him? He says controversial things.
LEMON: Yes.
SANCHEZ: And a lot of people hate him for it.
LEMON: Yes.
SANCHEZ: But he says it oftentimes like it is. Is that why he -- among African-Americans, some people like him, some people don't like him. And everybody wants to hear what he has to say.
LEMON: I got to tell you this. Out of all the stories I've done, and also I did an interview with Barack Obama not long after I got here, but this has generated more response from African-Americans inside this building, outside the building. People are saying I can't wait to see that story you're doing on Farrakhan. Or I saw your story on Farrakhan. Or the radio stations are calling me.
People say, the people who write about him and you know, talk about him in the media like we do...
SANCHEZ: Right.
LEMON: ...say he's the ultimate free black man because see, there are no repercussions.
SANCHEZ: That's what he does.
LEMON: He doesn't have a corporation to...
SANCHEZ: Well, what -- I'm interested in finding out what he said about the president of the United States, George Bush right now.
LEMON: He said the president should be impeached.
SANCHEZ: Did he?
LEMON: And he said the president lied to the American people knowingly and also convinced the Congress to give him the powers to go to war. He should be impeached.
Not only should he be impeached, but don't leave Dick Cheney in here because if you leave Dick Cheney, and this is his quote, you're leaving his boss in and the person who orchestrated this whole thing.
SANCHEZ: His boss.
LEMON: His boss.
SANCHEZ: He says Cheney's -- do we have that on tape?
LEMON: Cheney, Bush's...
SANCHEZ: Do you have on that tape?
LEMON: We don't have it on tape, but we do have it. We do have it for you. So if you want to hear it, I'll play it for you. But he said if you leave him in, you're leaving in President Bush's boss.
SANCHEZ: Don Lemon.
LEMON: Yes.
SANCHEZ: Good stuff.
LEMON: Yes.
SANCHEZ: Good scores. A good get as they said in this business.
LEMON: But also talked about the "N" word? You know, we've been doing that whole thing about keeping them honest about the "N" word and about language in rap music. Well, he talked about that as well.
He said, and this is very interesting, I've been doing this thing on James Brown.
SANCHEZ: Right.
LEMON: Two people said the same thing to me, Usher and Farrakhan. He said James Brown didn't say, you know, say it loud on the "N" word and I'm proud. He said say it loud, I'm black, and I'm proud. He doesn't understand the music now. Let's listen real quick.
SANCHEZ: He talks about this?
LEMON: Yes.
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FARRAKHAN: You can try to put a pretty face on a gargoyle, but it is what it is. The word is a degrading term. And we who use it use it in a degrading manner.
It's not a love term. Because if it were love, the black community would not suffer what it is suffering from black-on-black violence, black-on-black crime.
And those of us who understand want to see black-on-black love. And Jesus didn't say love your "N" as you love yourself. He said love your brother as you love yourself. So -- or your neighbor. So you need to change the language that our people are using. Or we need to change it.
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SANCHEZ: That's a castigation. LEMON: Yes.
SANCHEZ: And it's a castigation aimed not necessarily at white people...
LEMON: Yes.
SANCHEZ: ...but at black people, right?
LEMON: Absolutely.
SANCHEZ: As I read him?
LEMON: Yes. And he will tell you. He says I'm critical of everyone if I don't think they're doing the right thing.
SANCHEZ: Because black people use it as much, if not more, than white people do.
LEMON: Absolutely. I mean, specifically talking about in the music about calling people dog. He goes why would you call someone a dog? Am I -- are you a dog?
SANCHEZ: Right.
LEMON: What kind of language is that? Why would you call someone the "N" word? What kind of language is that? That is not a word that is complimentary.
SANCHEZ: That's interesting. And some would probably find agreement amongst all kinds of people.
LEMON: Yes.
SANCHEZ: Don, we thank you.
LEMON: Rick Sanchez, always a pleasure, sir.
SANCHEZ: Pay us a visit once.
LEMON: I will. Absolutely. Thank you for having me.
SANCHEZ: We're also gathering the latest information on that newborn that was kidnapped from that Texas hospital. In fact, we've got something else we're going to show you. There's some information - something we've noticed actually on some of this video that I'm going to be sharing with you when we come back.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My life was ripped apart the day that my husband was injured. Then having him live through the mess that we lived through at Walter Reed has been worse than anything I've ever sacrificed in my life.
(END VIDEO CLIP) SANCHEZ: Do you know what that woman's talking about? She's talking about a premiere military hospital in the United States. Used to be considered like the best of the best. The problems and the possible solutions to try and fix Walter Reed. We're going to show you more on this. We're going to really get into it. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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SANCHEZ: I want to bring you something now. Matter of fact, we've got this telestrator. We got that shot? See the shot from over here, if we can, Roger.
I want to show you exactly what we're talking about. This is the telestrator? Remember this picture we showed you a little bit earlier? Here it is here.
And I want to show you something in particular. Look at this up here. I don't know if you can tell, but we can. And we noticed the date and the time on this is 3-9. That's last night, folks.
So this picture of this woman right here was taken last night. Sometime it looks like, what, 6:57, about 7:00 last night. So what's interesting about this is the call to the police, when the baby was missing was like 1:00 a.m. on the 10th. So was she in the hospital that long? That's what we're trying to put together for you now because it's an interesting part of this case. It looks very different.
If this is correct, if that time span right there is correct, this woman went into the hospital late last night, sometime around 7:00 or 8:00. We'll be checking on that, as well.
In the meantime, here's what you can do to help. Lubbock authorities are desperate for information that could lead to Baby Michael or the alleged kidnapper in the one that we showed you a while ago and also in this sketch.
Here's the number to call if you have information. (806) 775-2788. We'll have more for you as it develops on that story, anything to find that little baby.
We've got the tape of the 101-year-old lady attacked. Who's talking about it? Well, if you missed it, here it is. She was headed to church when she was punched in the face and robbed.
And this is how it looked on the surveillance camera. And police say that the robber, by the way, has struck again. Also attacked an 85- year-old woman. Who would do such a thing? Here's a report from Jen Maxfield of WABC in New York.
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ROSE MORAT, VICTIM: I'm 101-years old. How are you going to run after a mugger? JEN MAXFIELD, WABC NEWS CORRESPONDNT (voice-over): Rose Morat's face is battered and bruised after a violent struggle with the mugger in the lobby of her Queens apartments building. The assault was caught on videotape in disturbing detail.
You can see Rose on her way to church with the help of a walker. The young man she thought was opening the door turns on her, punching her repeatedly before taking her purse and rummaging through her pockets.
Bleeding profusely, the century-old woman musters the strength to try to get her purse back. And that's when this thief knocks her and her walker to the ground.
MORAT: I got a little -- a little angry, you know. And I said, oh, that so-and-so, I hope you get caught!
MAXFIELD: As Rose's neighbors rushed to her aid, police say her attacker jumped on his pink bike and pedaled over to the Common Life Tower on 170th Street and found his second victim. 85-year-old Solange Elizee woman who suffers Parkinson's and also uses a walker. The same suspect rode the elevator up with her, got off one floor below and ran up to Solange's door before she could get inside.
SOLANGE ELIZEE, ROBBERY VICTIM: He began to beat me, beat me in my face a lot . And a lot of blood was coming out of my mouth.
MAXFIELD: Solange's chin and arm were injured in the attack. But perhaps most upsetting, the suspect stole this widow's wedding ring that she has worn for 60 years. The suspect is being described as a male in his 30s.
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SANCHEZ: That's that story we've been wanting to bring you. That's Jen Maxfield, by the way, at WABC. She was able to feed that report to us just a short time ago.
Now producers in our news room tell me that they just spoke with Rose Morat. That's the 101-year-old woman. Says she's doing fine. She says she was too tired to speak with us live on the air, but she might come on at some other time. Says she's resting from this whole ordeal. Can you imagine, as hard as she was hit?
Here's what New York's police commissioner told CNN tonight. "We're pulling out all the stops to find him. He's assaulted two defenseless, elderly women. We want to stop him before he strikes again."
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DICK CHENEY, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There will be no excuses, only action. And the federal bureaucracy will not slow that action down. We are going to fix the problems at Walter Reed, period.
(END VIDEO CLIP) SANCHEZ: Well, we've heard plenty of promises about fixing Walter Reed Medical Center, but is it worth sinking millions of dollars into a hospital that's supposed to close soon? I'm going to be asking some tough questions on that. That's coming up next.
Also, have you checked and rechecked your mega-millions lottery ticket? The second winner still hasn't come forward. And CNN is on the hunt to find that person. We're going to take you behind the scenes. We'll be back.
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SANCHEZ: And we welcome you back. Mold, mildew, dirty floors, horrible conditions, and rooms where wounded soldiers are trying to heal. This video is from Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington. The once premiere hospital -- military hospital has open wounds of its own now. And Congress is demanding to know why.
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JEREMY DUNCAN, WOUNDED IRAQ VET: The conditions in the room, in my mind, were just -- it was unforgivable for anybody to live -- it wasn't fit for anybody to live in the room like that.
Specialist Jeremy Duncan told a congressional committee a horror tale of moldy walls, peeling paint, roaches, and mouse droppings at Walter Reed Medical Center, the Army's flagship hospital. Duncan was sent to Walter Reed for treatment of a broken neck and the loss of one eye suffered in an IED attack in Iraq.
Annette Mcleod's husband was sent to Walter Reed, too, after suffering a traumatic brain injury. She found Walter Reed's bureaucracy overwhelming and unresponsive.
ANNETTE MCLEOD, WIFE OF WOUNDED IRAQ VET: My life was ripped apart the day that my husband was injured. And then having to live through the mess that we lived through at Walter Reed has been worse than anything I've ever sacrificed in my life.
SANCHEZ: The scandal broke after "The Washington Post" reported poor conditions at Walter Reed outpatient building number 18. The problems had been piling up for years. A hospital commander was fired, after only six months on the job.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have called this a failure of leadership.
MAJ. GEN. GEORGE WEIGHTMAN, FMR. COMMANDER, WALTER REED: I agree. Mistakes were made and I was in charge.
SANCHEZ: The Army's top brass has acknowledged responsibility.
GEN. PETER SCHOOMAKER, ARMY CHIEF OF STAFF: We have discovered shortcomings that were brought to our attention by the media. We should have known about these things ourselves.
SANCHEZ: Venerable Walter Reed, renowned for top-notch treatment, found itself at the center of a perfect storm as floods of injured return from Iraq and Afghanistan, just as the hospital was going through a dramatic transition.
Outpatient care was privatized in a cost-cutting move. Many veteran employees started looking for new jobs. Then the announcement that Walter Reed would close in 2011, further destabilizing the hospital, making the task of recruiting a nightmare.
GEN. RICHARD CODY, VICE CHIEF OF STAFF, U.S. ARMY: And you're trying to get the best people to come here to work. And they know in three years, that this place will close down. And they're not sure whether they will be afforded the opportunity to move to the new Walter Reed National Military Center eight miles away. That causes some issues.
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SANCHEZ: So, what's being done about it? Well, President Bush is enlisting the help of those people you saw right there on the screen -- former Republican Senator Bob Dole and President Clinton's health secretary Donna Shalala, who's now the president over at the University of Miami.
They will head a commission to investigate problems at Walter Reed. Is it enough?
Steve Robinson's going to be joining us now. He's live. He's in Washington right now. He's a director of Veterans Affairs and Veterans for America. 200,000 soldiers, Steve, are now saying they've returned from either Iraq or Afghanistan and sought some kind of medical help. That's a huge number. Isn't the real problem that the system is just overwhelmed?
STEVE ROBINSON, VETERANS FOR AMERICA: That's certainly one of the problems. One of the other big problems was there really wasn't any planning and an allocation of resources either in the VA or the DOD...
SANCHEZ: Well, how can you? We thought we were going to be out of this war two or three years ago, right?
ROBINSON: Well, in fact, in 2003 when the OMD gave its cost estimate for healthcare, they estimated 0 dollars and said there was no way to estimate who would get wounded in this war.
SANCHEZ: Is it really as bad as we - because I know in the media, sometimes we key in on some of the saddest stories, but is it as widespread as we seem to be thinking it is?
ROBINSON: I'm sorry to report to you that it is. I've been to every military installation in the United States that demobilizes soldiers. I've been to Lahnstuhl (ph) Army Medical Center. And every place I go, this same type of problem exists. Not the mold and mice issue, although that is some of the problem...
SANCHEZ: Right.
ROBINSON: ...in Army facilities, but really the bureaucracy and the lack of care providers in terms of outpatient care.
SANCHEZ: Well, there's so many soldiers. And more than in any other war, we're able to save them there in the battlefield.
I mean, in WW II, sad to say this, but more than half of these guys would have passed away right there, but we're keeping them alive, bringing them here. Costs a lot of money to then keep them alive and treat them. A lot of these guys with head injuries, some of them have committed suicide, Steve, because nobody's getting them the help they need.
ROBINSON: You're absolutely correct. And there are new things that are happening on this battlefield because of advancements in body armor, because of the types of weapons that are used on the battlefield by the insurgents that are creating wounds that we've never seen in such a way or at least recognized in such a way. And we're still learning a lot.
We just found out recently that almost 10 percent of every veteran that comes home from this war may have TBI, either mild or serious.
SANCHEZ: Wow.
ROBINSON: And it's not being screened.
SANCHEZ: So we're going to have to buck up and somehow come up with the money to pay for this. Who should pay for it? Should it be the - should it be some of the companies who are making a lot of money in these wars?
ROBINSON: Well, you know, obviously, we have to have a national effort on taking care of returning veterans. The nation has not defined its philosophy on what is owed to this generation. They don't know who the soldiers are. They don't know where they come from. They don't know what they're being injured from.
SANCHEZ: Yes.
ROBINSON: And they don't know what's happening for them. So until we define that, we can probably ask everybody to pitch in. It's a national security issue. If we don't take care of soldiers when they come home, people will not join our military. We have to do it.
SANCHEZ: Well said. And we'll leave it at that. Strong words from Steve Robinson. We thank you, my friend, for being with us on this night.
ROBINSON: Thank you.
SANCHEZ: Well, this is a Georgia truck driver. He's one lucky guy, right? You've heard about him? Rich man all of a sudden, says he's not going to be driving his truck anymore. I wonder why. Won the record lottery jackpot this week. Who is the other winner? We are going to go in search of him. That's next in the NEWSROOM.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) SANCHEZ: Welcome back to B control. This is where we show you how the sausage is made.
Well, just a few minutes to go tonight before the lottery drawing happens. It's not going to compare to the record mega millions jackpot that two people scored this week.
We know one. He's a truck driver from Georgia. You heard about him, right? Seen his interviews? Well, the other a guy or gal lives in New Jersey. So we sent Allen Chernoff to go look for them. That's how this story begins.
Here's Allen running and gunning.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A record jackpot. $370 million, which a fortunate resident of New Jersey is sharing half with another lucky winner in Georgia.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, we have not yet. Not yet. If nobody ever comes forward, the liquor store wins.
ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I'll ask him right now. Come on in. Jim Schroeder is the owner here of Camp (INAUDIBLE) Liquors. And he did actually sell - the story did sell the winning ticket. Jim Kir (ph), our anchor is asking whether you feel a little cheated that your store is only getting $10,000?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, not necessarily. It's -- you could have got nothing so have to take what you can get. But you know, ten grand is ten grand. And I'm going to share it with all my employees. I've had loyal employees for years. They do a great job. And you know, spread the wealth around, so everybody's happy. Do you want me again? Here I am.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, yes, definitely, definitely.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the one where I sold -- I've been selling tickets for 22 years and I never had a winner.
CHERNOFF: That's right. The big question here, who is the lucky holder of that ticket?
What would be nice would be to get locals coming by and say, hey, you think you know the winner? Did buy any tickets?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I came up and spoke to the bartender. And she said to me, you know, you might want to talk to this couple at the end here because they know who the person is, or you know -- you know, they think they may know who the person is.
So I went over and I spoke to them. They said, you know, off camera, this is the name, this is what they do, this is what this person does for a living.
CHERNOFF: What's the speculation about who might be the big winner?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, there's a lot of speculation going around, a lot of chit-chat. This morning, they thought it was a janitor at one of the schools. They thought it was a crossing guard at one of these schools. And now we hear that it's a lady that works at the (INAUDIBLE) Medical Center, a state school.
CHERNOFF: We're gathering elements. Interviews, footage, etcetera, and of course, information, most importantly. We're gathering all of this. We'll prepare it. We'll have it ready to go but we're not going to use it until she comes forward.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We called to see how she was doing. And she said she was on her way to her lawyer's office.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Couldn't happen to a better person. She's a fantastic employee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you know, I'm sorry. I did call out sick. So you know, and Julian's feelings that, yes, she was pretty - you know, it was probably...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An honest mistake.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An honest mistake.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, hey, hey, you know, so she's got a job to come to tomorrow.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's true, that's true.
CHERNOFF: All right. You know, that's why we don't report this until...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're absolutely right.
CHERNOFF: ...until we know for sure.
(on camera): Well, it seemed that we had had just the perfect lottery story, a woman who works at a center for the developmentally disabled, earns $38,000 a year giving, caring. Everybody loves her, except it seems that she or her husband made a mistake. They looked at a print out of the winning numbers and thought that they had the winning ticket. So all the shooting that we did seems to have been for naught.
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SANCHEZ: There we go again. It's a conversation every weekend between us and you at 10:00 p.m. Eastern and 7:00 out West.
Now you know what's really great? We've noticed more and more of you have been watching, e-mailing, calling. And we truly appreciate you sharing your weekends with us. Now it's your turn by the way. Here's what you had to say about child molesters who just can't seem to stop themselves. Just to let you know, the majority of you agree on this topic.
CALLER: My name is Donnie. I'm calling from Fort Campbell, Kentucky. And no, I don't think that they can be cured. Pedophilia is a sickness, but it's also a crime. And the people and the victims that they're offending, they're innocent. And they're not asking to be victims of -- of a crime.
CALLER: Hi, I'm Debbie from Illinois. No, I don't think they can be cured, just like any other sexual predator, young or old. And I think they should get the death penalty. I think life in prison is not enough.
CALLER: Hi, my name is Jay. I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. Pedophiles are first and foremost criminals. And secondly, they could be patients. They do require psychiatric treatment.
CALLER: I'm Francis. I'm calling from Louisville, Kentucky. And I think pedophiles are criminals. And they need to lock them up and throw away the key.
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