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Honest Questions about the Border
Aired April 12, 2007 - 19:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the battle over our borders. Three American Border Patrol officers held behind bars. Their crime: trying to enforce the law. We`ll talk to the wives of these political prisoners.
And Dog the Bounty Hunter.
DWAYNE "DOG" CHAPMAN, BOUNTY HUNTER: You`re going to a motel without a window.
BECK: Now with a bounty on his own head from -- you guessed it -- the Mexican government. We`ll sit down with Dog and his wife Beth. Tonight, honest questions about the border for the full hour.
BECK: Well, tonight`s show is a little bit different. It`s a long look at our illegal immigration problem and the personal stories of those caught in the crossfire of policy and politics.
Now by now you have, you know, you`ve heard the story of Ignacio Ramos, Jose Compean. They`re two Border Patrol agents who are now serving prison time for shooting an illegal alien drug smuggler who they thought was about to open fire on them.
Ramos fired first, and the smuggler got shot right in the butt. He lived to tell about it and reported got a border crossing card, a driver`s license and he lived to be arrested many days later.
Both agents convicted of assault: Ramos to 11 years in prison and Compean to an amazing 12 years in prison.
You may have also heard the story of Deputy Sheriff Gilmer Hernandez. After stopping a car that had just run a stop sign, the driver began to speed away and then turned right into Hernandez. He took his gun out, and he fired at the tires to try to stop the vehicle.
Now, when it finally stopped, eight or nine illegal immigrants jumped out and took off running. Two remained, because they had been superficially wounded by a bullet fragment that had ricocheted off the tire.
Now the attorney general`s office charged Deputy Hernandez with violating the civil rights of the illegal aliens. He`s now serving 366 days in prison.
Tonight, I want you to hear their stories again, but I want you to hear them from the people who know them best, their wives. Patty Compean, Monica Ramos and Ashley Hernandez, they all join me now.
Patty, I want to start with you. Your husband, Jose, 12 years, longest sentence of the bunch. Are you -- have you even had a chance to settle this in your head yet that your husband is behind bars for 12 years?
PATTY COMPEAN, WIFE OF JOSE COMPEAN: Nope, not yet. I don`t think I ever will. I mean, how do you do that? One minute he`s here and one minute he`s gone. It`s kind of tough.
BECK: You have a 3-year-old. Has he asked, "Where`s Daddy?"
COMPEAN: Yes. He does. He asks every day. He comes in and tells me, "Mommy, I want my daddy back. When is my daddy coming home? Where is my daddy? Who took him? Why did they take him?"
BECK: You didn`t -- you didn`t tell him for a long time, you know. We talked about this on the radio program before. You didn`t really say anything until you knew that, I mean, there he goes, Dad is gone. And how did you tell him?
COMPEAN: I used -- he`s into Batman right now so I used the whole Batman/Joker thing. I told him, you know, well, you know, Daddy was like Batman. He was fighting, you know, to protect the good people from the bad guys. And Joker, one of Joker`s people got upset because Daddy, you know, got one of his bad friends. And they got back at him by throwing him in jail.
BECK: Unbelievable. I can`t -- I mean, I can`t understand it, and I`m 43. I can`t imagine your son even understanding that.
Monica, your husband is the one that made the headlines and appeared on "America`s Most Wanted" after he was beaten up in prison. How is he doing now? Is he in isolation?
MONICA RAMOS, WIFE OF IGNACIO RAMOS: Yes. He`s in what they call the special housing unit right now. He`s in there for 23 hours a day, seven days a week. He`s only out -- allowed out for one hour a day, and it`s in a 20 by 20 yard just for recreation.
BECK: Can you guys explain at all -- because the judge said that both your husbands should spend time in Texas. And yet Patty, your husband`s in Ohio if I`m not mistaken, and Monica, your husband is in Mississippi. Why?
RAMOS: Right. I mean, I`m not -- I don`t understand how they took him so far. I know that ever since my husband had been assaulted, they had mentioned that they were going to try and transport him to another location. And now we`ve been told that he`s probably going to go further north. I don`t know why they continue to take him further and further.
I mean, you know, when they`re in prison you`re supposed to keep some sort of healthy relationship between the families, the children, keep some sort of communication, and that`s not the case. I mean, we look forward to one phone call every 30 days for only 15 minutes.
BECK: When is the last time you guys saw your husbands?
COMPEAN: I haven`t seen my husband. I don`t think I`ll be seeing him any time soon. And to answer your last question, I`m kind of glad he`s out of Texas considering what we`re finding out every day, you know. Keep him farther away from here. It`s a sacrifice but safety comes first.
BECK: Let me go to Ashley. Your husband, this is an amazing story. Your husband was -- they were trying to run him over. He shot at the tires, bullet goes in, ricochets, hits two people. They`re superficially wounded and he`s cleared by the Texas Rangers.
ASHLEY HERNANDEZ, WIFE OF GILMER HERNANDEZ: That`s right.
BECK: Then what happens?
HERNANDEZ: Well, he`s cleared by the Texas Rangers and then the Mexican consulate sends a letter saying that he wants Gilmer prosecuted, so that`s what our government did. They went and did an investigation on their own.
The FBI, they never talked to Gilmer. They used the same information from the Texas Rangers and then got him prosecuted.
BECK: I understand, though, that, while he was cleared by the Texas Rangers, the FBI came in and they did talk to you.
BECK: And it was not a pleasant experience.
HERNANDEZ: Oh, no, it wasn`t, not at all, especially when they show up at your work.
BECK: Is it true that they called you a liar and why are you lying for your husband and why are you trying to cover up for them?
HERNANDEZ: Oh, yes. That`s exactly what they said. They said a lot of awful stuff. Right from the beginning when they talked to me I was the bad person, Gilmer was the bad person.
BECK: You know what really amazes me is that anybody who is for security on the boarder is called a racist. And it`s been reported that your husbands in particular said, "We`re going to go out and shoot up some Mexicans today." That`s what I`ve heard over and over and over again. But by looking at the names Compean, Ramos and Hernandez, that doesn`t really work. Are your husbands racist?
RAMOS: Well, I`d like to start off by saying that this isn`t a racist issue. This is about, I think, you know, there are people that are in Mexico that are more deserving of having a better life in the United States, but they come in here and do it legally.
I mean, these illegals that came violated our laws, are now being told that they`re able to get rewarded. Come in, you know, take a chance, but you`ll get rewarded for it.
BECK: Do you -- how do you guys stay positive at all? I mean, I have to tell you, I have been so disillusioned in the last year since I -- since I`ve really been in the news cycle.
I`ve done talk radio for a long time, but I`ve been out away from the news gathers. And seeing stuff that happens and now news is made and how it`s processed and churned out, et cetera, et cetera, and seeing our politicians up close and personal, I`ve -- I`ve been real disillusioned.
You guys are on the receiving end of what looks to be nothing but just politics. How do you not just despise our country right now?
COMPEAN: Well, for me, what I do is I look at the facts. The fact is my husband is not an evil man. He`s not what they portrayed him to do, you know, as they portrayed him.
This is all based on a lie, based on somebody`s imagination, you know, especially with the stuff that they said about him, you know, going out to shoot Mexicans, calling this narc illegal drug smuggler, you know, a piece of, you know, I don`t even know if I can say it.
BECK: No, you can`t. We don`t -- no, no, you can`t say that. You can`t say that.
COMPEAN: OK. Well, they -- they said that, and, you know, all that. They make stuff up. Why? Because there`s really nothing there. There`s nothing -- there`s no basis for what, you know, they`re saying, you know. They`re calling them rogue agents and dirty agents and they`re not. So they`re making stuff up, I mean.
BECK: Ashley, real quick, your husband, the people that he superficially wounded, one of them just got a settlement from the United States government for $100,000, right?
HERNANDEZ: Yes, sir.
BECK: And Patty, you just got a little surprise in the mail from the United States government, as well. What did you just get in the mail?
COMPEAN: A $2,800 bill for prosecution.
RAMOS: I received the same.
BECK: A bill? You got it, too.
BECK: What`s the bill for?
COMPEAN: Court costs.
RAMOS: Or I`m not exactly sure what it was, because I don`t remember hearing that that was a part of the fine. But, yes, we got the bill, too, and it`s addressed to my spouse, saying that if he can`t pay it then he needs to make arrangements. Well, they should have sent it to our attorneys.
BECK: You should just send it back. Yes. "I`m sorry; he`s a little busy right now. He`s tied up in prison."
We`ll have more in just a bit.
And later on we`ll be joined in the studio with Dog the Bounty Hunter, Dwayne Chapman, and his wife, Beth. He`ll tell us Dog`s story, the threat of getting sent to a Mexican jail for catching a serial rapist. Don`t miss this.
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BECK: NYU, they are doing a "find the illegal alien", and what the Campus Republicans put a guy in a shirt that says "illegal alien", and you have -- they have a game where you try to find him on campus.
Well, it`s going crazy. People are going crazy.
And I heard Geraldo Rivera go off and say to this guy, "Why don`t you just have find the slave? Why don`t you have find the black man? Why not find the Jew?"
Well, you know what, Geraldo? Jews, black man, what is -- why is this about the Hispanic? If we had the number of illegal aliens coming across the northern border and they were Canadians, what, would I be racist for saying let`s go find the illegal alien? You have a problem with white -- OK. Well, that one doesn`t work, does it?
BECK: The whole world is upside down. We`re back with the wives of three imprisoned law enforcement officers. I believe they are America`s first real political prisoners: Patty Compean, Monica Ramos and Ashley Hernandez.
And joining us now, Republican Congressman Duncan Hunter from California.
Congressman, let me start with you. U.S. attorney Johnny Sutton, tell me about this guy. He`s the guy who put all three Border Patrol officers behind bars. Who is he?
REP. DUNCAN HUNTER (R-CA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, you know, I know THE Compean and Ramos stories pretty clearly, not the other -- THE OTHER gentleman that`s involved, but it was actually a jury verdict that convicted agents Ramos and Compean, I think, very unfairly. But a jury verdict, Johnny Sutton was the U.S. Attorney that led the prosecution.
Beck: But, you know, you say a jury verdict, yet there HAVE been things and you know, Congressman, as well as I do, there is stuff that has been held from this jury. Now the jury comes back and says, "Well, geez, if we would have known these things," they never would have done that, "and if we also would have known it was that sentence we never would have gone for this."
HUNTER: Yes, Glenn, listen, you don`t even have to go that far. If you just read the transcript of the trial, and I`ve read the transcript of the trial, this is one of the most extreme injustices in American history, because these guys have been given essentially murder verdicts. They have been given 11 and 12 years in prison, which is about three more years than the average convicted murder in America.
HUNTER: So even if you believe the drug dealer`s version of the story, and I don`t believe it. I believe the agent`s version of the story, that they did -- that this guy did present a threat to them and they were justified in using their firearms.
But even if you believe his story, the idea that these guys were put in for 11 and 12 years is an extreme injustice. And I`ve been to the chairman of the armed services committee for the last four years. I`ve seen, over the last 26 years, lots of cases under the Uniform Code of Military Justice against -- against Marines and Army personnel for the use of firearms and whether or not they were in danger and should have discharged their weapons.
I`ve never seen a case under the UCMJ as unjust as this particular case. This is the kind of case that cries out for a pardon.
BECK: This -- this is why I have to say to you, Congressman, Johnny Sutton. I don`t care what anybody says, something doesn`t smell right here. I don`t know what it is.
But, you know, in the case of Hernandez, he was cleared by the Texas Rangers, and then the Mexicans sent up a letter. I think -- I think it was about a year later, they sent up a message to Washington. All of a sudden, Gonzales says, "Let`s -- let`s track this one down. Let`s find out what happens," after he had been cleared. And he comes back and here comes Johnny Sutton. Something doesn`t smell right.
HUNTER: Clearly, the Mexican government is pressing the American government to prosecute American Border Patrolmen, and I think that is dampening the -- the enthusiasm and the spirit of our Border Patrolmen, who are -- who are vastly outnumbered, who have a very difficult job.
This thin green line of heroes who have to watch this 2,000-mile border. So this is a lot -- there is pressure coming from Mexico to prosecute American Border Patrolmen. I think it`s wrong for us, as either prosecutors or jury members on this side of the border, to -- to allow that kind of pressure to push us into verdicts, which are extremely unjust. This is extremely unjust.
HUNTER: Incidentally, Glenn, we now have 94 members of Congress who have signed the congressional pardon that I have introduced in Congress.
BECK: I want to get to that here in a second. Let me go back to Patty here. I`m sorry, but I`m not going to let Johnny Sutton go on this one.
BECK: Patty, Johnny Sutton, he was in the control room -- the control room -- the courtroom on the day that your husband was sentenced. Was he there the rest of the time?
COMPEAN: No, he wasn`t. I don`t know -- see, that`s the thing. You can`t talk about things that you didn`t experience. You weren`t there. He`s getting all this information from other areas. He wasn`t there. He - - when he talks about this case, he talks about it like he was there. He was never present until the day of the sentencing.
BECK: Ashley, your husband is the one that shot the tires, the bullets ricochet, go into the van. They hit illegal aliens that are being smuggled in in this van, superficial wounds. The illegal aliens get a $100,000 settlement from the United States government.
Your husband goes to jail for a year and a day. And here`s Johnny Sutton right after the conviction, and listen what he had to say on "America`s Most Wanted".
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JOHNNY SUTTON, U.S. ATTORNEY: I`m certainly not going to apologize for her, but this case was about an officer who used deadly force when he wasn`t allowed to. A jury determined that, and we do not allow officers to be judge, jury and executioner out in the field.
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BECK: I mean, if that`s not -- how did you feel when you heard, that? Judge, jury and executioner? He shot at tires at a car that was trying to hit him.
HERNANDEZ: That`s true, and he don`t say what the other part of the story, about what they did that made him react the way he did, where they drove him out, you know, where he followed them to. And then they pulled their stunt and what they were going to do. He forgot to mention that.
And, you know, they say that he intended to hurt this woman. He intended to hurt Marty Sela when you see that the bullets were in the tire, not in the -- you know, they didn`t bust down any windows or anything.
BECK: Congressman, let me -- let me come back to you for a second, and I`ve got less than a minute so help me on this.
These guys when they`re testifying, they`re getting driver`s license. They`re getting Social Security cards. They`re getting all kinds of perks, cell phones, et cetera, et cetera.
We just -- we just gave $100,000 to these people that were coming into our country illegally. What is happening?
HUNTER: Very -- very quickly, Glenn, you have to have an enforceable border. We`ve got to have fences, roads, lights, like the double fence in San Diego that we built that separates these guys driving narcotics, driving people across the border, that separates them from the Border Patrol.
That double fence with the 50-yard road in between, that`s what you`ve got to have. We`ve got to have a real border. Right now it`s wide open.
BECK: All right. Ladies, thank you so much, and we will be following your stories.
Also, we`ll be back with Congressman Duncan Hunter, and Dog and Beth. Dog the Bounty Hunter in just a second. Stand by.
BECK: We`re back with a special hour-long look at illegal immigration and those who are -- who are suffering by trying just to enforce the law.
Back with me now is Republican Congressman and presidential hopeful Duncan Hunter from California.
Congressman, you are sponsoring a bill that would give congressional - - a congressional pardon. What`s the difference between that and a presidential pardon? Any difference?
HUNTER: Same -- same effect on the prisoners, Glenn. They would go free.
And when the president didn`t come forth with a pardon for Ramos and Compean, you know, I pulled the transcript of the trial, where I read the actual questions and answers that went to the relevant part of the trial. And after I reviewed that, I came to the conclusion that this was an extremely unjust case.
And -- and I brought in our lawyers, and we asked our lawyers if Congress could give a pardon. And, of course, the president is vested with the right to pardon in the Constitution. And they came back and said, "You know, it`s not clear." It`s never been done, but they said there`s some cases that indicate you can, some that indicate that you can`t.
At that point Ramos and Compean had already gone behind bars, so I said let`s draft this thing up and get it in.
BECK: Ninety are Republicans, four are Democrats. How -- how is it that the weasels in Washington make this about party lines, as well? How does that happen?
HUNTER: This is a case that cries out for a pardon. Again, even if you believe the drug dealer`s version of the story, they`ve given these guys murder sentences. And this guy didn`t take a day -- a day off to slow down his drug smuggling or to get -- even get bandaged up. He wasn`t hurt badly.
And the idea that you give them murder sentences plus is just an extreme injustice, so we should have every member of Congress signing this thing.
BECK: What is -- what is the chance that this actually passes?
HUNTER: Well, I can`t tell you, Glenn. All I can tell you is we`re going to give it everything we`ve got. We`re going to go back and try to get signatures until we get over 218 signatures on this thing.
I think there`s a good chance we can do that, if we can keep -- keep the publicity up and we can keep people calling into their members of Congress. So this is very important. What you`re doing today is very important.
BECK: I mean, I -- look, I like Bush. I`ve supported him on some things. I think he`s crazy on other things. On border security he`s out of his mind, and I think that he is -- he`s not being clear with the American people. I think he`s in bed with Mexico. This thing comes across his desk, do you think he`s going to sign it?
HUNTER: I think if we get enough signatures on this thing, the president will -- will on an Easter Sunday or on a Thanksgiving will look at this case, of this very sympathetic case, very unjust case, and I think he`ll write that pardon.
BECK: You know, I saw, when was it last week, that the GOP has their new, you know, their new immigration overhaul, and it`s different than the House, a little stronger, yada, yada. Honestly it makes me pay -- pray for the Ebola virus.
But one of the things that just drives me nuts is why is it we are tying our security and amnesty together? Why can`t we make two separate bills? For the love of Pete, did we forget about 9/11? We`ve got a problem with visas right now. It`s double the problem that it was right after 9/11.
HUNTER: You`re hitting the nail on the head, Glenn. We not only don`t need a bill right now for amnesty; we actually pass this bill to build 854 miles of border fence. It passed the House overwhelmingly; it passed the Senate by 80-19. The president signed it. And we`re not building that fence.
BECK: Yes. What a surprise. I know, Congressman, you had hope. I`m not surprised.
We`ll be right back with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife, Beth.
BECK: All right. For the past three seasons, we have watched Duane Chapman, better known as Dog the Bounty Hunter, clean up the streets by capturing fugitives from justice, and here`s a look.
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DUANE CHAPMAN, DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER: Come on, Mona Lisa, we`re coming through the door.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Watch your back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mona Lisa, open the damn door. (INAUDIBLE) We know you`re in there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got a warrant for your arrest!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One, two, three. Take it!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECK: Now, in a strange plot twist, the hunter has now become the hunted. Dog is being sought by the Mexican authorities for deprivation of liberty. Let me translate that, you know, from bull crap-to-English.
He captured Andrew Luster. This is a predatory monster who is hiding in Mexico after U.S. authorities charged him with 86 counts of rape. With more of the story now is Dog himself and his wife, Beth.
He was convicted of that, was he not?
BETH CHAPMAN, DOG CHAPMAN`S WIFE: He was convicted.
D. CHAPMAN: He was convicted of 86 counts of rape. Well, he was tried on 87. I believe he beat one case.
BECK: Oh, well, there you go.
B. CHAPMAN: Really good for you.
BECK: An innocent man. So now he was in Mexico. Everybody knew where he was. He was not hiding really in Mexico. You decided to go down and get him. What happened?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, we actually didn`t know exactly where he was. We had one of four places. We happened to luck upon him. We hired a police officer, took him to the police department. The next thing we knew, we were under arrest.
They said, well, he did not kidnap Andrew Luster, the Mexican government said, but they deprived him of his liberty. We said, well, what does that mean? Well, you held him against his will. Well, we`ll see about it later.
Our lawyer then said this is a minor crime, so did the judge in Mexico, said this is a very minor crime. Our lawyers said you may leave the country of Mexico; we`ll call you later for a fine. So we left. Adios, we shook hands. Everything was fine.
Three years later, over three-and-a-half years later, one night after we do an arrest right in the middle of filming of our show, the federal marshals knock on our door, they come in with warrants for Leland, my son, Tim Chapman, my brother, and, of course, myself for kidnapping and conspiracy to kidnap out of Mexico.
And we`re like, wait a minute. We were never charged with kidnapping. That was never even brought up. There`s no kidnapping even bail in Mexico. There`s not a bond set for kidnapping there. If you`re charged with it, you stay. So where did the kidnapping come from, we said? They said we don`t know.
So we`re still trying to find out right now. We just checked with the Mexican government, and they said, we didn`t change the charge. It`s still deprivation of liberty.
BECK: Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. The Mexican government didn`t add kidnapping?
D. CHAPMAN: No.
B. CHAPMAN: We don`t know if they did or not. We don`t know who added it. I know that, when I bailed him out of jail when I was standing in the U.S. marshals` office, he handed me a copy of Dog`s wanted poster. And he goes, oh, yes, we put kidnapping on there because nobody here knew what deprivation was. And at the time, I thought, you did what?
And so that stuck with me. And then, when I got back to our house, when we finally got him out of there, I said, that marshal said that he added kidnapping, because it was in parentheses. The Mexican language doesn`t have parentheses in it.
So we`re trying to find out, when the paperwork came over from Mexico, did someone add the words kidnapping? Because I think that a judge who is offered up paperwork and said, "Hey, this guy kidnapped and he conspired," hey we need a warrant to...
BECK: It`s gone from $130 in bail to how much?
B. CHAPMAN: Half a million.
D. CHAPMAN: To half a million.
BECK: Three years later.
D. CHAPMAN: Three years later.
BECK: And, you know, this is kind of why we`re doing this hour because, America, I`m telling you, something is -- something doesn`t smell right and it goes all the way to the White House. And I believe that our government -- I don`t know if it`s to big business, I don`t know what it is -- but somebody is selling us out, and we don`t know what it is.
You guys, can you -- I know you`re in the middle of all of this legally. Can you give me any theories that you think might have happened? Can you tell me -- there`s a theory out there that you were offered up in exchange for somebody else.
D. CHAPMAN: We`ve heard that, too, from 12 different drug lords.
BECK: Right. And the theory really comes from, we were holding these drug lords. Mexico wanted them back. When they served you, what was it, two days later, all of a sudden the drug lords go back?
B. CHAPMAN: Right.
D. CHAPMAN: Right. Well, what would Mexico want with us though? I can`t even speak Spanish. I mean, I don`t think -- in a political or financial way in Mexico, I would not be any -- you know, I couldn`t do anything for their country.
I don`t think it`s Mexico. I don`t think Mexico wants the Dog down there. Mexico sent to the White House, like they always do, a request for deprivation of liberty, which is a minor misdemeanor. They expected it to be turned down, which they`ve turned down thousands of them.
B. CHAPMAN: They have never, ever requested someone be returned to Mexico for deprivation of liberty, ever. It is such a minor crime in their country that they don`t even charge people with it.
There`s thousands of Americans that leave Mexico every day that are charged with deprivation of liberty, because, you know, there`s some things that go on in Mexico where, you know, you hold someone for five seconds, "Hey, lady, you`re not leaving yet," that`s deprivation of liberty.
So there is no dual illegality, which is the second thing that it must be for there to be an extradition. Because here in America, I`m not depriving you of your liberty and I`m not falsely imprisoning you if you`re a wanted fugitive. And he was more than a wanted fugitive, Glenn, because he had been convicted in absentia, so that made him an escaped prisoner from the California penal institute.
D. CHAPMAN: In other words, it has to be illegal in Mexico and illegal in America for what we did. Would it have been illegal for us to grab Andrew Luster with the policemen`s help? No. It must fit under that criteria to fit under that particular treaty.
And then the treaty just covers police officers. It says nothing about private citizens, citizens` arrest.
D. CHAPMAN: Then also, the third thing that I`d like to bring up, under the Mexican constitution, their 16th amendment says, just like America`s, if you see a felony happening, you, as a citizen of Mexico, which we are when we go there legally, may arrest that person and hold him for a real cop.
B. CHAPMAN: If you see a crime being committed.
D. CHAPMAN: Andrew Luster was arrested by the Mexican government along with us. In his possession at his house, he had GHB, he had handcuffs, and he had videotapes. They said this guy was doing the same thing he was doing in America. Now, that meant that, under their constitution, we did nothing but a citizen`s arrest.
B. CHAPMAN: We had a right to make a citizen`s arrest.
BECK: So this doesn`t make sense. So, again, let me come back, because I`ve got news for you, Dog. I think you`re wanted in Mexico. You`re wanted by the people in jail. I don`t think you`d last a day in jail, do you, in Mexico?
D. CHAPMAN: No, I don`t think so.
BECK: I mean, it`s a nightmare.
B. CHAPMAN: They`re taking my children and my family, and they`re leaving 12 children that Dog has and three children that Tim has and the two children that Leland has, and they`re leaving 16 children fatherless, for, what, the government of America (INAUDIBLE) you know, the other thing is that we the taxpayers are paying for this extradition proceeding. Why are we using America`s money to prosecute three Americans on behalf of Mexico?
BECK: OK. We`re going to continue this, and I want to get your thoughts on why you think this is possibly happening. And then I want to talk to you because, what it is, 12 children, just too many children.
D. CHAPMAN: OK.
BECK: We`ll be back in just a second with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife.
B. CHAPMAN: Something causes that, Glenn.
BECK: I know. I`ve heard that...
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BECK: Hola, "Mehiho." I`m glad to see that you`ve gone the extra mile to continue your prosecution of Duane "Dog" Chapman. He is Dog the Bounty Hunter. Dog went down to Mexico to get the serial rapist, Andrew Luster. And he went down there, and apparently old "Mehiho" didn`t appreciate Dog taking the rapist off the streets. I know, I know. Technically, it was illegal.
Oh, I`d say, come on, guys, can`t you give us a break on this one? Anywho, we`ll try to stop getting rapists off your streets, Mexico, because they`re your streets. We respect you.
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BECK: This is the most mixed up story, and something doesn`t smell right, as it doesn`t with all of the stuff that`s going on with Mexico and our government right now and the border mess.
D. CHAPMAN: Amen.
BECK: Luster, nasty, nasty guy.
B. CHAPMAN: Despicable.
BECK: And worth a fortune.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: Correct.
BECK: When you first went after him, did you know what you were getting into?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, we knew that, you know, he had allegedly $30 million, would be hard to find. We said, you know, that`s fine with us. We can catch him. Now I`m beginning to understand where that $30 million is...
B. CHAPMAN: Coming into play.
D. CHAPMAN: ... what they meant about that, because something is going on here. Why would Mexico want us back when they captured him with the date rape drug, the police did, with handcuffs, and a camera, and a note that was asking in Spanish, "How do you take your shirt off?"
So they knew what he was doing. Why would Mexico want him -- you know, why would Mexico want us for taking a predator off the streets here?
BECK: But it`s not really -- it`s not Mexico. Mexico says the victim --hang on, America. Blood will shoot right directly out of your eyes. Remember the guy was convicted for 86 rapes. Mexico says they don`t care. They love you.
D. CHAPMAN: Correct.
BECK: The victim is?
D. CHAPMAN: Andrew Stuart Luster.
BECK: The rapist?
D. CHAPMAN: Correct.
B. CHAPMAN: And he originally filed his complaint under the name David Carrera. And I though, that`s great. Produce David Carrera. If I`m going to have my chance to meet my accuser, produce David Carrera.
D. CHAPMAN: So David Carrera was his alias. Unbelievably, what got Luster in the end was his arrogance. Carrera means on the run, so David Luster on the run...
BECK: This guy...
B. CHAPMAN: Yes, yes, arrogant.
BECK: ... has, I mean, big ones.
D. CHAPMAN: Absolutely.
B. CHAPMAN: I think he had small ones though, that was the problem. That was the rape.
BECK: We don`t need to go into that.
B. CHAPMAN: OK.
BECK: So who do you think -- who do you think, if you had to say, black hats, who`s -- is it us? Is it Mexico? Is it Luster? Is it a combination of everything? What is it?
D. CHAPMAN: I wouldn`t think it would be Mexico, and I hope to God it`s not us. I think it`s someone in the Luster realm that doesn`t like us. And I think a human error was made just like we would translate "bullet" into "rocket," OK, or "assault" into "murder." I mean, deprivation of liberty is a minor offense. Kidnapping is not.
BECK: When do you find out?
B. CHAPMAN: Six to eight weeks. But if you ask my opinion who it was, I think there was some terrible, terrible screw-up, either in the State Department or in Condoleezza Rice`s office. And I think that somebody legitimately did not understand the word "deprivation of liberty," and they wrote down the word "kidnapping," not understanding the ramifications of what those words would mean. And the reality is that this thing, the statute of limitations on this thing, Glenn, expired in June of 2006.
D. CHAPMAN: We were arrested...
B. CHAPMAN: We were arrested September 14th of 2006.
BECK: I think I have Condoleezza Rice on in the next few days or few weeks. I`ll ask her about it.
D. CHAPMAN: I bet they brought it to her as a kidnapping case. Listen, a hometown paper that I used to live in Texas said that Dog the Bounty Hunter entered the border with Andrew Luster, naked, bound and gagged in the trunk.
Everybody thought this is a great Hollywood script. This is great. No one wrote the real -- you know, we showed up with the cops. We took him to the jail, and we got thrown in jail. They wanted it to be more than it was.
This is unbelievable. From $130 bond, Glenn, to over half a million, and everybody is -- oh, the Mexicans need money. It`s not the Mexicans that need money. It`s America that`s robbing us. It`s not Mexico.
B. CHAPMAN: Because Mexico is not getting the money for the ankle bracelet. Mexico is not getting the money that he has to pay pre-trial services. Mexico is not getting the half-a-million-dollar bail money. You know, Mexico isn`t getting those things. America is.
BECK: I have to tell you, you know, the thing I hate about television, especially when I do these interviews, is I have the opportunity -- and I`ve actually gone home to my wife and I`ve said, "Honey, watch this, you`ve got to watch this scene. You can see it in their eyes," you know what I mean?
BECK: And it`s just -- it`s a moment where I`ve been sitting across the table and I went, "Oh, my gosh, they don`t believe this. They`re lying," or whatever.
D. CHAPMAN: Right, right.
BECK: And I`ve gone home and I`ve said, "Watch this, honey," and you can`t see it on television. I`m telling you, America. I`m looking these guys in the eyes. This is real; this is legit.
D. CHAPMAN: And we know what you mean, because when we get someone in the car and the guy says, "Dog, I`m sorry, I didn`t mean to do it," and I`m like, "Honey, watch this guy, baby. He didn`t mean to do it. Let`s get the guy back out. He made a mistake," so we understand exactly what you mean.
BECK: So how stressed are you? What does this mean? If you go down there, I mean, good luck in a Mexican jail.
D. CHAPMAN: Listen, an American jail, they couldn`t find nowhere to put me. In my own country, they said, "We`ve got to put you in the shoe," where these officers are being held now. That is torture. That is torture. So in another country...
B. CHAPMAN: They`re strip searching these men every nine yards. Every time they go somewhere, they strip search them...
D. CHAPMAN: Unbelievable what they do to you.
BECK: The three border guards that we just...
D. CHAPMAN: They`re in the shoe, it`s called. It`s unbelievable.
B. CHAPMAN: They did it with Duane and Tim and Leland, and every five feet that they took, they strip searched them again.
BECK: You know, let me just talk to my producers here. Will somebody remind me we`re doing a block on that? I want to know about the shoe. We`ll expose that.
OK, so, here in the country...
D. CHAPMAN: In our America, there was nowhere to put us, so let`s pretend like we`re going to another country who may not like me being a bounty hunter. What`s going to happen there? Is there a shoe there? No, there`s population.
BECK: How stressed are you?
B. CHAPMAN: Very. I`m in fear for my husband`s life. I`m in fear for my son`s life. I don`t know what will -- you know, there`s 16 children between the three men. And I thought that, you know, when we caught Luster it was a long shot, and we spent every penny we had to catch Luster.
BECK: Are you guys doing any more of this on your show? I mean, do you follow this?
B. CHAPMAN: A little bit.
BECK: A little bit. Your show just debuted.
D. CHAPMAN: Our fourth season set records. It was fantastic. And this week, this Tuesday has a little bit of the fight for freedom, A&E has called it. We do it every day, brother. We live it. We breathe it. You put handcuffs on someone now, you`re like, "Are they tight enough? Get this guy a water." You know, it`s like, Dog, where am I going? You`re going to jail. Relax, let me tell you.
I mean, yes, it`s affected us. Something great happens in your life, and then this thing goes -- you may be in Mexico prison. I mean, it`s like there`s no explanation to it.
BECK: How can somebody help, somebody who`s watching right now? What can they do?
B. CHAPMAN: Well, on our Web site, dogthebountyhunter.com, there`s a letter that has been drafted through Congress that is a request to the Mexico president to withdraw these extradition cases. We need every single person in America to sign this, and we also need them to urge their congressmen, their representatives to also sign on.
We need help. I mean, we are a family of three heroes that went to Mexico and did something that was absolutely just and right. They spent their own time, their own money. They did something great for those three women. Those three women set up a defense fund for them. Those three women are horrified that this is happening now, when my husband, and my son, and my brother went down there to do something for them.
And it`s just not right that, in America, where people help each other, and there are crimes being committed every day on the streets, and good Samaritans jump in and help, and if we start prosecuting our good Samaritans and start going, oh, we`ll send them back to another country, we`re sending the wrong message.
BECK: We`d love to have you guys on the radio show, and we`ll continue this. Reminder, a fourth season of Dog`s show airs Tuesdays on A&E. Check it out. Back in a minute.
BECK: You know the problem is we`re not listening to each other on illegal immigration anymore. What else is new? Emotions boiled over last week in a debate between Bill O`Reilly and Geraldo Rivera on FOX News. They were talking about an illegal immigrant with three previous alcohol- related convictions who killed two teenagers when driving drunk.
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RIVERA: My nightmare is my daughters having anything to do with a person driving drunk. That`s my nightmare.
RIVERA: It could be a Jewish drunk. It could be a Polish drunk.
O`REILLY: But this guy didn`t have to be here.
RIVERA: It could be an Irish drunk.
RIVERA: It could be an Italian drunk. What the hell difference does it make?
O`REILLY: It makes plenty of difference!
RIVERA: It does not, Bill.
O`REILLY: He doesn`t have a right to be here!
RIVERA: He didn`t commit a felony.
O`REILLY: He doesn`t have a right to be in this country!
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BECK: You know what? Geraldo is right on one thing. It doesn`t matter if they`re Jewish, Polish, Irish, Hispanic, from Mars, it doesn`t matter! What matters is, is the person here legally? Race has nothing to do with this debate; it`s about the law. Geraldo went on.
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RIVERA: Do you know how many people we have in jail? How many of them are illegal aliens? Illegal aliens commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens do.
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BECK: Well, unless 100.1 percent of U.S. citizens are committing crimes, I can assure you that that isn`t true. Every single illegal immigrant is guilty of a crime, every single one. Thus, the word "illegal."
And many times, not just one crime. How about creating false documents or buying false IDs? Would you and I get away with that? How about dodging taxes? If they do pay them, how about the part about signing the name, putting false information on the tax return, and then signing your name to it? Those are crimes that you and I would go to jail for or at least pay a very hefty fine.
The study that I think Geraldo is trying to cite was all about immigrants, not illegal immigrants. It includes everything from legal immigrants, who go through layers of criminal screening before they get here, all the way to college kids on student visas. You know what? If we`re screening them, there should be a lower incidence of crime.
Here`s one more clip from Geraldo on illegal immigrants.
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RIVERA: We have lured these people...
O`REILLY: Oh, yeah.
RIVERA: ... with a promise of jobs in a country with basically full domestic employment.
O`REILLY: All right.
RIVERA: We have, for decades, lured them here.
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BECK: Don`t make blood shoot out of my eyes. We do send mixed messages to illegals, considering our government doesn`t seem to care enough about anything about their constant arrival. But luring them? Why, because we have nice stuff? Am I luring people into my house because I have a TiVo? If we`re luring anything, anybody, in Mexico, it`s that we`re luring them into adopting our system. We are a commercial for prosperity through freedom. Instead of depending on us, Mexico, you should focus on replicating our system until we`re lured down there.