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ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

Psychotherapist Breaks Down Alec Baldwin Blowup; Are Scientologists Using Virginia Tech Tragedy as Recruitment Opportunity?; Oregon's Governor Tries Living on Food Stamps; Doctor Opening Medical Care Centers in New Orleans

Aired April 27, 2007 - 22:30   ET

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JOHN KING, CNN HOST: Good evening, everyone. I'm John King in Washington sitting in for Anderson Cooper. She became the first front page hero in the war in Iraq. This week she said that stories of her capture and bravery were just that, stories. Tonight new video surfaces of Private Jessica Lynch's rescue.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you in any pain? OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just my back. Only when you carry me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where are the windows go out to, Aaron?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huh, huh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is OK. It is okay.

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KING: She is reacting the gun fire outside the hospital. Four years after the fact, this is the first we're seeing of it and showing you it in full in just a few moments.

We begin, tonight, though, with another war story that centers on former CIA Director George Tenet and two words he spoke during an Oval Office discussion about Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction. Slam dunk. The White House used the them first to sell the war and later to lay some of the blame for bad prewar intelligence at Director Tenet's feet.

Now in a stinging new book, George Tenet says the words were taken out of context and the country taken to war without serious debate. More from CNN's Joe Johns.

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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's TiVo time at the White House. Former director of central intelligence George Tenet's performance on "60 Minutes" Sunday is must see TV for anyone at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Whoever uttered the words "weapons of mass destruction."

But before we get to that, let's rewind. Go back a month or so before the invasion of Iraq began. February 12th of 2003. When then CIA Director Tenet was testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

SEN. JOHN WARNER, (R) VA: Is it your professional judgment that there will be clearly found caches of weapons of mass destruction to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that he had them?

GEORGE TENET, FORMER CIA DIRECTOR: Sir, I believe that we -- I believe that we will.

JOHNS: Straight question. Straight answer. And we all know what happened. No weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. And a major justification for the invasion turned out to be not much of a justification at all. A year and a half later, Tenet was gone. He has a new book out next week and while he admits he was convinced Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had unconventional weapons, he says the administration hung him out to dry.

TENET: I mean, I became campaign talk. I was a talking point. You know? Look what the idiot told us and we decided to go to war. Well, let's not be so disingenuous. Let's stand up, this is why we did it. This is why -- this is how we did it. And let's tell -- let's everybody tell the truth.

JOHNS: So was Tenet hung out to dry? Or was he right up in there agreeing with everybody else that Saddam needed to be taken out?

JAMES LEWIS, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES: Everyone in the U.S. intelligence community believed there was WMD in Iraq. Everyone probably in the world intelligence community believed there was WMD in Iraq.

JOHNS: Jim Lewis with the Center for Strategic and International Studies says it looks to him like the administration was going into Iraq regardless of whether George Tenet was on board.

LEWIS: They didn't need George Tenet to come in and tell them that Iraq was a menace. They believed that coming in.

JOHNS: Tenet does take the blame for some mistakes under his leadership like the highly flawed 2002 national intelligence estimate that claimed Iraq had WMD.

(on camera): Some former members of the intelligence community we spoke with gave Tenet high marks for improving the CIA. But when it comes to Iraq, they said, the question about Tenet is what he sacrificed in exchange for access to the president.

(voice-over): The debate will go on and on. Tenet has already been invited to testify on Capitol Hill again. Joe Johns, CNN, Washington.

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KING: While going fairly easy on the president, Director Tenet makes Vice President Cheney the heavy. Their relationship, however, wasn't always so bitter. Not warm and cozy but professional is how one person in a position to know described it. In fact, though clearly more hands on than most, Mr. Cheney was at first a welcomed presence in CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

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KING (voice-over): The vice president would visit frequently. Help the Central Intelligence Agency get more money and nudge a reluctant foreign leader from time to time.

JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, FORMER CIA DEPUTY DIRECTOR: It is unusual for a vice president particularly to take that degree of interest in intelligence. But I must say this was a positive thing.

KING: And after 9/11, when some said CIA Director George Tenet should have collected the clues of the attacks were coming, the vice president used an appearance on "Meet the Press" to offer a strong defense.

RICHARD CHENEY, VICE PRESIDENT: I think George clearly should remain as director of the CIA. I think -- I have great confidence in him.

KING: And he appreciated that but things soon took a troubling turn.

MCLAUGHLIN: The relationship with the vice president started off as a very positive thing. And then frictions came into it later on.

KING: Most frustrating were repeated Cheney comments suggesting a possible Saddam Hussein role in 9/11. Long after the CIA had, in fact, ruled it out and told the vice president to stop.

MCLAUGHLIN: We had very harsh conversations on this subject. When we basically pounded the table and said we are done, we are finished, we are not going to go any further on this subject. George did that. I did that. Many other people did that.

KING: Now, in his new book, Tenet takes direct aim at the vice president claiming, "Mr. Cheney was predisposed to war and discouraged serious debate about whether there were any options short of military action."

Tenet is especially furious at this Cheney recollection, again, on "Meet the Press," of a pre-war meeting in the Oval Office.

CHENEY: The director of the CIA said it's a slam dunk, Mr. President. It is a slam dunk. That was the intelligence that was provided to us at the time.

KING: In fact, the choice was already made. The slam dunk meeting came after the Pentagon had issued the first deployment orders and after Mr. Bush went to Congress for war authorization.

Plus, Tenet writes he meant only that the president could make a compelling argument for war. Not that the intelligence was airtight. TENET: The hardest part of all this has just been listening to this for almost three years. Listening to the vice president go on "Meet the Press," on the fifth year of 9/11, you know, and say, well, George Tenet said "slam dunk." As if he needed me to say "slam dunk" to go to war with Iraq.

KING: Two senior administration officials pointed to this 2004 speech to dispute any suggestions the vice president forced his views on the CIA.

TENET: No one told us what to say. Or how to say it.

KING: Mr. Cheney spent most of Friday in Oklahoma ...

CHENEY: Thank you very much.

KING: And the vice president's office said he would have no comment on Tenet's criticism.

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KING (on camera): As director deputy of central intelligence John McLaughlin worked closely with George Tenet.

You just heard his views there about Vice President Cheney. A bit earlier today we also talked about some other headlines in Tenet's new book.

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KING: John, your former boss George Tenet makes a number of serious allegations in this book. I want to start with what I view as the most significant. He says the Bush administration went into the Iraq War without, quote, "a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraqi threat."

You were in the room for those meetings. Is that a true statement? No discussion at all about the seriousness of the threat?

MCLAUGHLIN: Well, George will have to explain exactly what he means. I think what he is saying here, though, John, is that while there was discussion of how to do it, and there was discussion of some of the things that would have to be dealt with, if an invasion occurred, how would you deal with the currency? How would you deal with the oil situation? How would you deal with potential refugees and so forth?

He's saying that he wasn't in a room when a discussion occurred about the basic fundamental question of whether to do it. What are the merits of doing it? And what are the great dangers of doing it? What's the essential benefit? What are the enormous risks?

He doesn't deny that that took place. He is just saying that he wasn't in a room when that occurred and in general meetings I was in did not focus on that either. KING: Well, forgive me. He is the director of central intelligence, a Cabinet level agency. If he didn't think the discussions were taking place, didn't he have a responsibility at the time to raise his hand and say, Mr. President, maybe you are doing this when I'm not here, but have you discussed this, have you discussed that? Are you taking this seriously enough? Isn't that his job?

MCLAUGHLIN: Well, it isn't exactly his job, John. In intelligence, there's a very bright light drawn between presenting the evidence, presenting the intelligence, laying out the case, the situation on the ground. Very bright line drawn between that and recommending policy. In other words, intelligence informs policy but it doesn't recommend policy.

KING: I don't want to dwell on this point, but - so if you are a director of central intelligence and you believe the president is heading off into a war without having the right discussions, or at least you're not convinced he's had the right discussions, it is your view that the director of central intelligence to stay silent, not even raise a stink or in the worst case scenario maybe step down and resign because he doesn't think those discussions are taking place?

MCLAUGHLIN: I wouldn't go that far but I would say that it's certainly the duty of the director of central intelligence when intelligence is being used by the administration or when something's being said by the administration based on intelligence that he disagrees with to inform people of that.

And in that case, we certainly did. Particularly on the case of on the issue of whether there was a relationship between Saddam and 9/11. As you know, many people in the administration thought there was or there could be a case for that and we were pretty strong in recommending that that was not the right course and that that was not the right thing to be saying and we made that clear on any number of occasions so people - we certainly spoke out on that issue and George spoke up on that issue.

KING: As you know, he also says in this book that he believes he has been made a scapegoat for the war and that his comment that the intelligence was a slam dunk case has been grossly taken out of context. True?

MCLAUGHLIN: Well, I don't think he uses the word scapegoat but certainly a lot of anger comes through in some of the comments that you have heard on television. I think that "slam dunk" was taken out of context. I mean, the way it's been described in so many reports is somehow that this was a meeting of which George Tenet said "slam dunk" and then everyone stood up and said, great, let's go to war.

That's not what it was at all. This was a meeting about whether intelligence existed that could be declassified that could be presented in a way that would help people understand why analysts at that time, wrongly we now know, thought there were weapons of mass destruction. And you know, George was asked about this and he used those words and I think what he was trying to say is, look, we can do better. We can take another look and see what additional intelligence is available. This wasn't the pivotal moment in the whole Iraq drama that it has been portrayed as being.

KING: John McLaughlin, thank you very much.

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KING: You can soon hear more directly from George Tenet. He will be Larry King's guest on Monday night on LARRY KING LIVE, part of a special week celebrating Larry's half century in radio and television. That's Monday night 9:00 Eastern.

George Tenet says he was used to sell the war. So does Jessica Lynch. This week, she set the record straight of what happened to her in 2003. But the truth about the convoy's ambush is just part of the story. Tonight, you will see the mission to save the former army private as it unfolded before her eyes.

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JESSICA LYNCH, FORMER POW: On April 1st, while various units created diversions around Nasariyah, a group came to the hospital to rescue me.

KING (voice-over): That is her testimony and this is the tape.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come right. Come right. OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clear on right.

KING: You are looking at never before seen video of that daring nighttime rescue. It was posted by the Web site liveleak.com.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rotor back.

KING: On the extraordinary tape, armored vehicles and at least one tank drive up to the hospital Lynch was taken to after she was captured by Iraqi forces.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a threat ...

KING: After U.S. troops enter the building, we see for the first time the young army private turned prisoner of war lying on a bed apparently unguarded. We can only imagine what she is thinking. This week, she recalled that moment.

LYNCH: Then a soldier came into the room. He tore the American flag from his uniform and he handed it to me in my hand and he told me, "We're American soldiers. And we're here to take you home." And I looked at him and I said, "Yes, I'm an American soldier, too."

KING: In that hospital room, Lynch is asked a question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you in any pain? OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just my back and only when you carry me.

KING: The next sequence shows what happened when Lynch heard the sound of gunfire from outside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where do the windows go out to, Aaron (ph)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is OK. It is OK.

KING: Clearly frightened, Lynch, who spent several days in that hospital with multiple injuries is then stabilized on a stretcher, carried down several flights of stairs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Open up. Coming down.

KING: And then rushed into a military helicopter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three zero.

KING: The first step in the long trip home and an even longer journey for her story to be told. Jessica Lynch says she is not a hero. But it's clear from these images she is a hero.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are doing great, Jessica.

KING: As are the Americans who saved her.

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KING (on camera): Jessica Lynch's nightmare in Iraq began three days into the war when her convoy was ambushed. Here's the raw data. Nine soldiers killed in the firefight. Two died after being captured. Six were held captive, including Lynch but five as a group and released after three weeks. Still to come tonight, Hillary Clinton admits she is multi-lingual and we know how painful that can be.

Also tonight, a beauty queen taking on some ugly customers.

There she is. Miss America.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I actually chatted online with the predators. Eventually I was the 14-year-old decoy in the sting house.

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KING: See it go down as Miss America and crime fighter John Walsh team up against sexual predators.

Also, Alec's apology for going ballistic on his daughter.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is just going through a hard time right now.

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KING: Questions now. What drove him to say what he said? How rare is his rage? Can he patch things up with his daughter? Answers ahead on 360.

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KING: Ordinarily the resignation of a deputy secretary of state wouldn't be big news but there's a twist. Randall Tobias stepped down today. A State Department official telling us Tobias had patronized a local escort service run by Deborah Jean Palfrey, the woman now know as the DC madam.

Ms. Palfrey, now facing federal charges has told ABC News she plans to call Tobias and a number of other high-profile clients to testify at her trial. Secretary Tobias, by the way, had once served as the president's AIDS czar during which time he came under fire for emphasizing marital fidelity and abstinence over condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS.

Now, a southern accent, a candidate named Clinton and the economy, stupid. Sound familiar? They are the raw ingredients of campaign '92 updated with a twist. Raw politics tonight. Chef Tom Foreman dishes it up.

TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: John, it's been a rough week in Washington but now look what's creeping out of the political woods. The economy.

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FOREMAN (on camera): A late (ph) commerce report says the housing slump has spurred the worst quarter of economic growth in four years. Only a slim majority of Americans thought the economy was doing well before this news and have you noticed your gas prices? So heads up. This could be a big-time sleeper issue for both parties.

A big-time headache for Democratic Senator Jim Webb going away. His aide was caught carrying a gun into the Capitol a month ago.

SEN. JIM WEBB, (D) VA: I think this is one of those very unfortunate situations where completely inadvertently he took the weapon into the Senate yesterday.

FOREMAN: Now the U.S. attorney's office says it will not press charges.

Hillary Clinton may have to drop her on again, off again southern drawl.

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON, (D) NY: I come too far from where I started from.

FOREMAN: Some say the tendency to chat like the locals is pandering. She says, no. She's lived all over the country. Just talks that way.

CLINTON: I lived about a third of my life in Arkansas. And I lived about a third of my life in Illinois. And I eve lived about a third of my life on the East Coast. And I think America is ready for a multi-lingual president.

FOREMAN: On the red carpet. Angelina Jolie was in DC turning heads for a new nonprofit, Global Action for Children. Will she run for office?

ANGELINE JOLIE, ACTRESS: I don't -- I certainly don't think anybody here wants this.

FOREMAN: Don't sell yourself short, Angie. "Elle" magazine has posted a picture of Newt Gingrich posing with someone in a eagle costume in bed. Write your own caption.

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FOREMAN (on camera): And speaking of the animal kingdom, you can get your four-legged friends into the election spirit with Fat Cat Inc.'s Political Animal chew toys. Fido and Fluffy can pounce on the prez, howl at Hillary or eat up Arnold. He comes if two flavors, political pro, or movie mangler.

They also have a Ross Perot and they have a great big Bill Clinton in shorts and sneakers. That is the jogging style and that is "Raw Politics." John?

KING: I saw Tom walking around the bureau with those things earlier and he was having way, way, way too much fun. Don't miss "Raw Politics" and the day's headlines with the new 360 daily podcast. You can get it at cnn.com/ac360 pod cast or go directly to iTunes where already it's one of the top downloads.

Chances are when you think Miss America, you don't think crime. Then again, it is a part talent contest and the reining queen with help from John Walsh is honing her talent for luring bad guys into the waiting arms of law. More now from CNN's Gary Tuchman.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The new Miss America is Miss Oklahoma, Laura Nelson.

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There she is. Miss America. Strutting her stuff in a swim suit.

LAURA NELSON, MISS AMERICA, 2007: Here, come on in. My phone's ringing. I have got to go grab my phone.

TUCHMAN: And there she is again luring a suspected sexual predator into the lair of "America's Most Wanted" host John Walsh. The two of them teamed up, setting up an elaborate sting to help bring child molesters to justice with Miss America acting as the bait. NELSON: I chatted online with these predators. I talked on the phone with the predators and then eventually I was the 14-year-old decoy in the sting house.

TUCHMAN: They worked with the computer crimes unit from New York's Suffolk County Police Department. They posted a photo of Nelson online, a photo taken when she was 14 years old. The former Miss Oklahoma pretended to still be 14. Chatting with potential predators. Luring them into a trap.

JOHN WALSH, "AMERICA'S MOST WANTED": Really it's a fact that they are so compulsive and so driven that they'll be talking online to who they think is a 14-year-old girl and they will risk everything to come here to get inside this house and have sex with a 14 year old girl.

TUCHMAN: They say that the sting was a big success, capturing four suspected predators. Including this one, a 21-year-old man Suffolk County police call "the Phantom." Cops have been trying to catch him for two years.

WALSH: And you admit you came here to have sex with a 14-year- old girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not to have sex. To hang out.

WALSH: To hang out? That is not what you said on the Internet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

WALSH: You were pretty explicit. You said you wanted to do certain things to this 14-year-old girl. It's a bad day for you, buddy.

TUCHMAN: But a good day for Miss America. Whose pageant winning platform Internet safety for children.

NELSON: We get a lot of great change things from the Internet but there is a negative side, too. And something that people don't always know about or think about.

TUCHMAN: John Walsh says he's proud of his partner in crime fighting.

WALSH: Takes a lot to stand out there, look at a man that might be 45 years old that you know is intent upon either hurting you or molesting you or having sex with you, get them in the house.

TUCHMAN: Lauren Nelson wore a crown on the head. Now she wears courage on her sleeve. Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.

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KING: By now, you have probably heard his angry tirade. Up next on 360, Alec Baldwin speaks out the first time about what he says drove him to called his 11-year-old daughter a pig. And why he wants to quit his hit show on NBC.

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ALEC BALDWIN, ACTOR: To tell you how I feel about what a rude little pig you really are. You are a rude, thoughtless little pig.

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KING: That blistering phone message that Alec Baldwin left for his young daughter has now been heard around the world. It was leaked, of course, to the media and since then Baldwin has been doing damage control. Today he took his case to ABC's "The View." More from CNN's Randi Kaye.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please welcome Alec Baldwin.

RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Alec Baldwin came to "The View" to explain what drove him to say this.

BALDWIN: You are a rude, thoughtless little pig.

KAYE: As everyone knows by now, Baldwin left that phone message for his 11-year-old daughter Ireland.

BALDWIN: My deep, deep, deep and seemingly endless frustration about this situation, which is complicated, led me to end up saying something to someone that I really meant to say to someone else.

KAYE: Translation ...

BARBARA WALTERS, "THE VIEW": You said it to your daughter and you meant it for your ex-wife.

BALDWIN: I think that goes without saying.

KAYE: Baldwin and his ex-wife, actress Kim Bassinger, have been tangled in a bitter custody dispute for years.

HARVEY LEVIN, TMZ.COM: She has accused him of having an explosive temper, being unreasonable, being abusive. He has accused her of being psychologically unstable. Addicted to various things. They have slung the mud every which way.

KAYE: But this time, the mud landed on the child both claim to love.

ROSIE O'DONNELL, "THE VIEW": Surely you know that, you know, when people heard the message which was really never supposed to be leaked. A private conversation between you, the message machine and your daughter, was leaked to the press. The problem that most people had, I think, was the use of the word "pig." BALDWIN: Obviously calling your child a "pig" or anything else is improper and inappropriate and I apologized to my daughter for that.

KAYE: Baldwin also wants off his hit TV show "30 Rock."

BALDWIN: So I have asked NBC to let me out of my contract to let me leave the show.

KAYE (on camera): But NBC said, no. The actor said he'd rather be a full-time activist for divorced dads, fathers caught in custody battles just like his. He's written a book about the issue, due out later this year.

BALDWIN: What I don't learn in parental alienation is that affection for the alienated parent or loyalty to the alienated parent is portrayed as betrayal of the custodial parent.

KAYE (voice-over): It is worth nothing that Ireland might be feeling betrayed, as well.

WALTERS: You love your child and people know that. Have you talked to Ireland? Where do things stand now?

BALDWIN: Well, the -- that falls into the category of something that I can't talk about because it's going to be ongoing procedures and so forth and things like that.

KAYE: On LARRY KING LIVE this week, TV therapist Dr. Phil McGraw offered to help.

PHIL MCGRAW, TV THERAPIST: I will sit down with them behind closed doors. No cameras, no media, no nothing. I can resolve this situation.

KAYE: And today we learned Baldwin took him up on that offer. Dr. Phil said he had an intense conversation with Baldwin yesterday and has also reached out privately to Bassinger. Dr. Phil, Rosie, Barbara, sometimes it takes a village. Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.

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KING: While no one would condone the language Alec Baldwin used in his phone message to his daughter, that term he used today, parental alienation, is in fact a real issue in many divorces.

Psychotherapist J. Michael Bone specializes in high conflict divorce counseling and has spent more than a decade and a half dealing with bitter custody disputes. We spoke a bit earlier.

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KING: Dr. Bone, let me begin simply by asking your assessment of Alec Baldwin's interview this morning on "The View."

J. MICHAEL BONE, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, the part of it I saw, which was, I think, most of it, I believe he was genuinely sorry after what he said in the voice mail message apparently to his daughter earlier in the week or last week, whenever that was.

KING: One of his explanations is he thinks he is displacing the frustration with his ex-wife onto his daughter. Let's listen to a quote now from that now infamous voice mail by tmz.com.

BALDWIN: You've made me feel like (EXPLETIVE DELETED). And you've made me feel like a fool over and over and over and over again. And this crap you pull on me with this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) phone situation that you would never dream of doing to your mother. And you do it to me constantly and over and over and over again.

KING: It is disturbing to listen that. Yet again, how common is this behavior?

BONE: Well, I think the circumstance of -- that he may well find himself in, as I understand it, may be that he has great difficulty seeing his daughter if that, in fact, is what's going on here.

So the person in his position when that is the case is that they are met with an avalanche of frustrations over simply just trying to see their own children.

And as a consequence, they've -- ultimately, it's not uncommon for them to occasionally blow up, explode and say unfortunate things, and this truly was an unfortunate thing. I cringe when I hear it. And from what I can tell on the interview on "The View" today, I believe he cringes when he hears it.

But it's the kind of thing then that's typically portrayed as being emblematic of who that person is and not atypical. And I think it really -- in these cases where there has been a great difficulty in maintaining relationship with the children, and it's often referred to as parental alienation, it's -- it's really more atypical.

KING: Well, you have studied this and written extensively on it. Alec Baldwin has his own theories on parental alienation. Let's listen.

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BALDWIN: And what you learn in parental alienation is that affection for the alienated parent or loyalty to the alienated parent is portrayed as betrayal of the custodial parent.

And that parent communicates in very subtle and not so subtle terms that "This person is not a part of my life, and I don't want to have anything to do with them, and I don't want you to, either."

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KING: Dr. Bone, is that an accurate assessment?

BONE: In part, I think it is. I think -- and he says is portrayed. I think really more to the point to say that when children are in this kind of situation, they're the ones that feel that they are betraying the other parent if they warm up to what's referred to as the targeted parent. So I think there is some accuracy to what he described generally in the dynamic, yes.

KING: He says he'll quit his job, that his relationship with his daughter is more important, that he wants to write about divorce and custodial rights. What does that tell you about this man right now?

BONE: Well, I think it's a kind of thing, really, that you hear quite a lot with these parents that go through this. It's not just fathers. It's mothers, too. It would be incorrect to say that this is just something that mothers do, that fathers are the recipient of. It can be the other way, around, as well.

But it's very common for parents in this situation of being what we refer to as the targeted parent to really be so moved by this that it's a life changing event. And many of them will really devote their lives to trying to change the way the system works or, more accurately, doesn't work sometimes.

KING: Dr. Michael Bone, thank you very much for your time.

BONE: You're welcome.

KING: In a moment, Scientology and the worst mass shooting in American history.

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KING (voice-over): They say they came to provide comfort. They call it disaster relief. Or is it something else?

RAY GIUNTA, BAPTIST MINISTER AND PSYCHOLOGIST: It was just an induction ceremony into Scientology.

KING: Scientology on the Virginia Tech campus. Both sides of the story that's stirring up passions.

Also, do you make it on food stamps? One governor wanted to know how hundreds of thousands of people in his state live. See how he did and how they do it every day. Next on 360.

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KING: We began this hour with the impact of two words: slam dunk. In our next hour, a 360 special on the deadly power of two others: Stop Snitchin'. Preached by rappers, promoted by big record companies and practiced on the inner city streets. The message: if you see a crime, even a murder, don't talk to police.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: If there's a serial killer living next door to you, though, and you know that person is, you know, killing people, would you be a snitch if you called police and told them? CAMERON "CAM'RON" GILES, RAPPER: If I knew that the serial killer was living next door to me?

COOPER: Yes.

GILES: No. I wouldn't -- I wouldn't call and tell anybody on him, but I probably would move. And I'm not going to call and be, like, you know, "The serial killer is in 4E."

GEOFFREY CANADA, PRESIDENT & CEO, HARLEM CHILDREN'S ZONE: What you allow to have happen when you eliminate any connection between the community and the police force, you allow criminals to literally get away with murder.

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KING: "Stop Snitchin'", a 360 special hosted by Anderson Cooper, coming up at the top of the hour.

The funeral for one of the Virginia Tech victims was held today. Maxine Turner was just 22 years old. She would have graduated this spring.

At the school, spiritual advisers continue to reach out to students, but the arrival of one religious group is being met with accusations it's trying to take advantage of this horrible tragedy.

CNN's David Mattingly reports.

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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They are grieving, confused and emotionally shaken. And there is no shortage on the Virginia Tech campus of helping hands or shoulders to lean on. But some claim not all the goodwill is driven by compassion.

When the Church of Scientology set up a tent in the middle of campus just days after the killings, critics say the church was recruiting, not comforting.

GIUNTA: I went to the service to watch and see what they would say, thinking it might be a memorial service to honor the 33 people, and it was just an induction ceremony into Scientology. So it was very inappropriate at this time.

MATTINGLY: Nine days after the traumatic loss of life, we found the Scientologists had moved, and their tent was going up off campus. Ministers Sylvia Stanard says their mission is to provide assistance.

(on camera) Is it appropriate for any religion to come to a campus like this when so many people are hurting, to recruit?

SYLVIA STANARD, CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY: Nobody's recruiting. I don't think people are recruiting. That's -- yes. That would not be appropriate, but that's not what's happening.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Over the last week, Stanard says volunteers have offered comfort to hundreds of students. One technique they used is called the locational assist.

STANARD: Like take a look at the church.

MATTINGLY (on camera): Just look at the building?

STANARD: Just look at the building.

MATTINGLY: OK.

STANARD: Good. Look at that red car there.

MATTINGLY: OK. Again, just look at the car?

STANARD: Exactly.

MATTINGLY: OK.

STANARD: Good. Look at that...

MATTINGLY (voice-over): She demonstrates the Scientology technique for helping someone reconnect to the world around them and step away from their internal problems.

Another technique looks like a massage. This is called a nerve assist, a way to promote physical healing by stimulating nerves.

(on camera) Where did this idea come from?

STANARD: This comes from the Scientology technology that was developed by L. Ron Hubbard, and this is specifically for physical problems.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Stanard says their presence at Virginia Tech is similar to disaster relief missions by Scientologists at Ground Zero after 9/11 and along the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina.

But some have questioned the motivations behind those missions, as well.

Michael Pattinson is a former Scientologist and outspoken critic of the church.

MICHAEL PATTINSON, FORMER SCIENTOLOGIST: They want people whose lives are ruined by something, which is part of the dissemination or expansion technology Scientology uses to get new members.

STANARD: We're here to really give them other people that they can talk to that can help them in their lives and feel like something can be done about it.

MATTINGLY (on camera): Scientology volunteers on campus were also passing out copies of this booklet. It's called "The Way to Happiness". It was written by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Scientology Church. It promises to help get your life back. Ten thousand copies of these were handed out in one week.

(voice-over) Students we encountered did not have a problem with contact they had with Scientologists.

KATE GRIFFIN, STUDENT: They just helped -- took us through a kind of workshop, they called it, I guess, to try to get your mind off everything. It was really strange. I felt weird and funny doing it, but it helped in the end, and I wasn't offended by what they were doing.

MATTINGLY: University officials say they have heard no complaints. Virginia Tech has an open door policy toward all religious groups, and Scientologists say they may return to the campus in the future.

David Mattingly, CNN, Blacksburg Virginia.

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KING: Up next on 360, could you live on a food budget of just $3 a day? Why the governor of Oregon is trying to do just that.

Plus, a major terror plot is foiled in Saudi Arabia. The explosive details ahead on 360.

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KING: Think about what you spent for coffee this morning or maybe lunch this afternoon and ponder this question: could you live on a food budget of just $3 a day? Three dollars for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

The governor of Oregon is trying to see if he can do it. Why? CNN's Dan Simon reports.

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DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A cheesy publicity stunt? Far from it, insists Oregon's governor, Ted Kulongoski.

GOV. TED KULONGOSKI (D), OREGON: Peanut butter.

CHRISTINA SIGMAN-DAVENPORT, FOOD STAMP RECIPIENT: Peanut butter and jelly sandwich, that's essential.

KULONGOSKI: That's what it is. Peanut butter.

SIMON: This shopping trip is designed to raise awareness about hunger.

KULONGOSKI: There it is.

SIMON: When the governor took office four years ago, Oregon had the nation's highest hunger rate.

(on camera) In other words, more people here than anywhere else in the country were having a hard time putting food on the table. So here at the state capital, the governor and his administration made fighting hunger a top priority and this year came up with a novel P.R. campaign.

(voice-over) That campaign? To eat like someone living on food stamps.

(on camera) People don't think of governors eating peanut butter sandwiches and instant soup. But that's what you're doing.

KULONGOSKI: I have to tell you that I'm understanding a lot better how difficult it is for a citizen on food stamps to be able to stretch their budget.

SIMON (voice-over): To qualify for food stamps in Oregon, now in the form of a debit card, a family of four can make up to $38,000 a year. The average food stamp allotment here is $21 a week per person, or $3 a day.

SIGMAN-DAVENPORT: Can I make a suggestion here?

KULONGOSKI: Yes.

SIMON: Helping the governor shop is Christina Sigmund Davenport. She works for the state agency that administers the stamps, so it's ironic that Davenport herself is receiving them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes!

SIMON: With three children and a husband out of work, Davenport felt she had no choice.

SIGMAN-DAVENPORT: You know, your shelter expenses, your utilities, my son has cerebral palsy so he has a higher needs day care. Once you have all those expenses come out, there's nothing left for groceries. There just isn't.

SIMON: The Bush administration has proposed cutting food stamps from about 185,000 people nationwide because they receive other government aid. Kulongoski, a Democrat, is lobbying the White House and Congress to keep the program as is.

The governor's experience made a lot of headlines here in Oregon. A publicity stunt?

KULONGOSKI: If I thought that this is what it took to get this issue out to the public and tell them how important it is, I don't care what they call it. I'd do it every week.

SIMON: For the governor, it's just one week of hardship. But for the more than 400,000 Oregonians who collect food stamps every month, it's an ongoing struggle.

Dan Simon, CNN, Salem, Oregon.

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KING: We made a mistake last night in our piece about Andrea Yates, the Texas woman who drowned her children. In our story, we erroneously reported that forensic psychiatrist Park Dietz lied on the stand, leading to appeal and a new trial for Yates.

While an appeals court concluded Dr. Dietz gave, quote, "false testimony" during the trial, the court also noted that the record did not show that Dr. Dietz intentionally lied.

CNN and 360 regret that error.

Up next, a major twist in the shooting death of a state trooper. Who it seems really pulled the trigger.

Plus, the videotape shocked even the most cynical New Yorker. A 101-year-old woman beaten and robbed. Did police finally catch the attacker? 360 next.

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KING: "The Shot of the Day" coming up, the karate cat. Looks like he's ready to pounce. But see how it all ended in just a moment. First, though, Erica Hill from Headline News joins us with a "360 News and Business Bulletin".

ERICA HILL, HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: John, we begin tonight in Saudi Arabia where the Saudi government is saying security forces have arrested 172 militants over the past nine months. They are accused of plotting attacks against senior officials as well as oil, military and security installations.

In upstate New York, authorities now say they believe police gunfire killed a state trooper this week, not an escaped convict. It happened Wednesday at a farmhouse where the man had barricaded himself.

Hours later, the house went up in flames. The suspect was found dead in the charred wreckage, clutching a rifle.

And now to New York City where police say they are questioning a man in connection with that brutal mugging of a 101-year-old woman. The crime was caught on surveillance video. And it's pretty tough to forget.

The man they are talking to was arrested on drug charges. Police are not calling him a suspect in the mugging, only a person of interest.

As for the 101-year-old victim, Rose Morat, well, she got a standing ovation today at a senior center where she and another mugging victim at 85 years old were being honored for their courage.

And on Wall Street this Friday, a third straight record close for the Dow. Blue chips ending the week at an all-time high of 13,120. It's after a gain of 15 points on a session. The NASDAQ added 2. The S&P fell slightly, John.

KING: Thanks, Erica.

Stay right with us. It's time for the "Shot of the Day". Check this out. This video tip came to us from a 360 viewer.

They call this the karate cat. A kitty with a Zen-like karate stance. But watch out. The other cat doesn't like it. He wonders what's going on. And then...

HILL: It's amazing.

KING: ... attacks.

HILL: It almost looks look fake. I feel like I'm watching "The Karate Kid" but it's with a cat, which is a lovely one.

But you know, our 360 viewers, they love their cats. So I'll see your cat, John, your karate cat, and I'll raise you Amazing Sam. That's right. Amazing Sam, he's a little close to the TV. The video was shot by Lily, who says Sam started attacking the TV when she was watching a recording of the Winter Olympics.

Getting a little workout in there. He could try boxing, maybe.

KING: A future Olympic judge there.

But Erica, one more cat you have to see before you start your weekend. This picture from another 360 viewer. Meet the vampire cat.

HILL: Ooh.

KING: She's a bit scary. She is. She's a bit scary, but her owners tell us she's usually a nice kitty. She was having a bad day when they took this picture.

HILL: Oh, poor thing and now being flashed all over the television. It was just a bad day. Poor girl.

KING: We tend to do that with those pictures.

And Erica, you have a great weekend.

HILL: Thanks, you too.

KING: If you out there have a "Shot" idea, tell us about it at CNN.com/360. We'll put some of your best clips on our air.

Now, a helping hand. Nearly two years ago, the Gulf Coast was devastated by hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Thousands of people were left without nearby emergency care.

Today, though, residents of some of Louisiana's hardest hits areas are finally getting the help they need because of one man. CNN's Randi Kaye shows us how he's "Giving 360".

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DR. MIKE KOTLER, PHYSICIAN: Hello. Good morning.

RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Dr. Mike Kotler is a man on a medical mission. Since 2005's devastating hurricane season, he along with two colleagues, have made the nearly impossible happen, providing accessible emergency care to struggling Louisiana communities by opening urgent medal centers like this new one just outside New Orleans.

KOTLER: OK. What about electrolytes?

KAYE: But getting to this point has been tough. Drive 43 miles southeast and you see why: Plaquemines Parish, an area so devastated by the storm surge it was entirely under water.

KOTLER: If you notice all the clocks stopped at 5 of 5. That's incredible.

KAYE: Kotler, who was medical director here, felt compelled to do something. The community needed emergency medical care close by. So, along with a few local residents, all of whom lost their homes, Kotler and his crew worked for no pay with no offices and through endless layers of bureaucracy to get money and resources to rebuild.

KOTLER: Their hearts were in the right place, but if we did not push it and really get cantankerous, and it still wouldn't be open.

KAYE: It did happen. Plaquemines Medical Center opened its doors less than a year after Katrina hit, in a temporary building, and now, treats more than 100 patients each week.

KOTLER: It was a tremendous feeling at the grand opening. It was fraught with so many different issues. To see it happen was really emotional.

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KING: That's a great story.

Up next, in major cities all across the country, people are dying, and no one's talking. Why? Two words: Stop Snitchin'. It's a criminal code of silence preached to kids in hip-hop lyrics. If you don't think it affects you, think again. Find out why in our 360 special. That's up next.

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KING: Hello again. I'm John King. Coming up, Anderson Cooper brings you a special report on the Stop Snitchin' phenomenon. See a crime, even a murder, and say nothing. The code of silence preached by rappers and others.

First, though, the "360 Bulletin".

A top State Department official has resigned, a State Department source telling us that Randall Tobias patronized an escort service run by Deborah Jean Palfrey, the woman now known as the D.C. Madam.

She's facing federal charges and tells ABC News she plans to call Tobias and a number of her other high-profile clients to testify at her trial.

LiveLeak.com has posted never-before-seen video of the rescue of Jessica Lynch from an Iraqi hospital. In the video, she's clearly frightened. She cries out when she hears gunfire outside. The U.S. soldiers, though, who rescued her calm her down.

And in upstate New York, state police now believe a trooper was killed by friendly fire and not an escaped convict. The trooper was killed Wednesday when they tried to arrest the suspect in a farmhouse. A standoff ensued, and hours later, the house went up in flames. The suspect was found dead in the burned wreckage, holding a rifle.

Those are the headlines. Our 360 special starts right now.

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