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Nancy Grace

Paris Says Her Wild Days Are Over

Aired May 14, 2007 - 20:00   ET

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DIANE DIMOND, GUEST HOST: Tonight: She says her wild days are over and promises to "live like a nun." But will that help celebutante Paris Hilton avoid jail time? While Paris tries to clean up her act, other celebrities tell the woman who`s famous for being famous to get real. In three weeks, Paris is due to check into a ladies lock-up that is sure to look nothing like a Hilton hotel room. Will California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger do anything to stop it?
Also tonight: They were hoping for a miracle by Mother`s Day. They didn`t get it. Tonight still no sign of young mom Lisa Stebic, missing since May 1 from her upscale Chicago suburb, reportedly after just going out for a jog. Family and friends say Lisa Stebic would never leave her two children behind. Meantime, her soon-to-be ex-husband stuns the family by refusing to take a polygraph. What`s that all about?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities say the searches are not so much about finding where Lisa Stebic is but rather where she is not, upwards of 400 people searching a four-mile radius of Plainfield in hopes of bringing home the mother of two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lisa left with her cell phone. She left with her purse. We do not have an indication of what Lisa was wearing when she left.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Plainfield woman, who worked as a lunch lady at her children`s school, was last seen at about 6:00 PM on April 30 by her husband, Craig. She was in the home they shared, though the two were in the process of a divorce.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The children, 10 and 12 years old, say they last saw their mom at about 3:00 o`clock in the afternoon. We now know that Dad gave the children money to go to the store to buy some candy. At that point, that meant Mom and Dad were left alone in the house. When the children return, Mom is gone. That`s the last time anyone saw her.

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DIMOND: Good evening. I`m Diane Dimond, in for Nancy Grace tonight. Thanks for being with us. First up: The clock is ticking for Paris Hilton and her big trip to the big house.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Paris Hilton could be turning in her Prada and Guccis for some jailhouse duds pretty soon, and they`re definitely not designer. She`s getting some advice, though, before she hits the clink from a surprising source, Candy Spelling, Tori`s mom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like any good mom, Candy tells Paris she`s worried about her and then whacks her on the head with some tough-loving advice.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the first time ever -- I didn`t think I`d ever say this -- it`s good advice from Candy Spelling. People agree Paris Hilton really needs to kind of face reality and just suck it up and go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that Candy Spelling was right on target when she delivered this what I would call e-mail intervention via a celebrity Web site. She said, Paris, get real. Stop confusing this persona of heiress and reality star with a genuine identity. When I look at Paris, sometimes I think of that comic strip, Richie Rich, poor little rich boy, but that`s a cartoon.

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DIMOND: So what do we make of all this, Paris Hilton, the celebutante, as a nun? Let`s go out to Ken Baker. He is with USWeekly.com magazine. Ken Baker, tell us the latest on this. This sounds like a new PR strategy to me.

KEN BAKER, USWEEKLY.COM: To have Candy Spelling scold you?

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BAKER: Well, what`s interesting here is that Candy Spelling is claiming that she`s known Paris since she was a little girl and she feels qualified to be able to tell her what she should be doing. But really, what should be happening is Candy should be telling Paris herself. She shouldn`t be going through the media, through a celebrity gossip site.

DIMOND: Exactly.

BAKER: But that being said, I have to say that Candy makes a great point. She`s basically speaking for all of us. She`s saying, Paris, accept responsibility. You`re going to have to go to jail. You need to change your life. And a lot of people think that. And honestly, I would probably guess that Paris Hilton realizes that`s the case, as well.

DIMOND: Yes. With me on the set here is David Caplan. He`s a celebrity journalist. David, what do you make of this? This does seem like a brand-new strategy now -- no skimpy outfits, no driving in her famous Bentley, no going out on these big shopping sprees. Can Paris Hilton carry this off for three more weeks?

DAVID CAPLAN, CELEBRITY JOURNALIST: (INAUDIBLE) I have faith in Paris. For three weeks, she can carry it off because we`re seeing, really, essentially, the rebranding of Paris Hilton from the sex tape vixen, and she`s really toning it down. Even though she`s allowed to drive, she`s not driving. There are no sexy outfits. We`re not seeing her running around nightclubs with her friends anymore. So I think Paris is reborn, if not for just three weeks.

DIMOND: Now, David, let me ask you this. Where is her sister? Why haven`t we heard anything from Nikki Hilton? Why haven`t we heard anything from her famous friends, Lindsay Lohan, you know, any -- Britney Spears, for example. Where are all they?

CAPLAN: It`s interesting. Friends like Nicole Richey and some of these other young Hollywood stars, and of course, her sister, Nikki, are being very quiet. While in private, they`re voicing their support for Paris, they`re not publicly saying it. I heard today from sources that Nicole Richey has e-mailed Paris and she`s (INAUDIBLE) she completely supports Paris. But they don`t want to take their own PR risk and publicly say, You know what, Paris? You shouldn`t go to jail.

DIMOND: Yes. And what about this Candy -- Candy note? If she knows this girl and she`s worried about her future and really wants to give her good advice, why doesn`t she pick up the phone? Why does she have a letter published in TMZ.com?

CAPLAN: Yes, it`s very passive/aggressive of Candy Spelling, and the fact that she`s going through the media, through TMZ.com, smells a little bit that she wants some publicity herself. But it`s interesting that she did this letter because this is a woman who clearly fancies herself like the first mother of Hollywood.

DIMOND: Oh. Oh, good God! Save all of us from that!

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DIMOND: Let`s bring in Gloria Allred, the true mother of Hollywood, in my opinion. Hello, Gloria. How are you?

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Hi, Diane. Fine, thank you.

DIMOND: I want to talk to you about this pardon because this is sort of the big umbrella thing that`s over all of Paris Hilton. Everyone talks about, Well, maybe she won`t really have to serve any time. There is an appeal going. And then there`s that pardon. Now, let me ask you this, Gloria. In the state of California, your home state, is that the way it works? I mean, I thought you had to, like, serve time before you got a pardon?

ALLRED: Well, I think what`s going to happen is that she has to at least exhaust her judicial remedies, Diane, and she hasn`t done that because she hasn`t even filed her briefs on appeal.

DIMOND: Exactly.

ALLRED: She filed a notice of appeal. The case hasn`t been decided. I think she`s going to have to show an abuse of discretion in the sentencing. I think it`s unlikely she`s going to be able to show an abuse. Maybe she can, maybe she can`t. And that is why the governor is essentially not going to deal with it, at this point, and saying that he`s got more important things to deal with. I don`t know that he will ever grant her a pardon. But certainly, it`s not going to happen now.

DIMOND: Yes. Well, Schwarzenegger`s office has been quoted as saying that he has more important things to think about. But let`s look at a list of the people that he has not pardoned in the past. And when you look at this list, you see that it is entirely made up of convicted murderers. I`m sorry, not pardoned. I`m sorry, not pardoned. Stanley "Tookie" Williams, for example, who was executed recently, and all the rest. You`ll see them here -- Clarence Ray Allen.

Anyway, as you look at them, we`ll continue our discussion. This man we did not have a picture of. And the last two, Kevin Cooper and Michael Morales, are still living. But the governor refused pardons for them. He did, however, Gloria, agree to pardon three people, and I`ll give you their names, James Brown, Antonio Garcia and Alex Webster. Now, all of these had cases from the 1970s. They were drug dealers, but they turned their lives around. These are the kind of people that the governor gives pardons to, not people, Gloria, like Paris Hilton.

ALLRED: Well, exactly, Diane. And by the way, I represent the mother of the murder victim of Michael Morales.

DIMOND: Yes.

ALLRED: And this poor little 17-year-old, who was raped and murdered by Morales -- I hope he never gets pardoned, but -- and he is on death row right now. And the issue of lethal injection is the one that`s holding up his execution.

In any event, I just -- apparently, Paris Hilton has indicated through her spokespersons that she`s not the one who has asked the governor to pardon her. Apparently, it`s some fans of her. I don`t know whether it`s authorized or not authorized. But I don`t think that she should pin her hopes on a pardon by the governor.

DIMOND: No, I don`t -- and I don`t think she is. And by the way, the governor`s office says that they haven`t actually gotten any official request for that.

Let`s bring in Doug Burns. He is the defense attorney on our panel today. So Doug Burns, they kept saying that they were going to appeal. Howard Weitzman, the big criminal defense attorney, went in there with Paris Hilton, sort of like shooting a fly with a canon, if you ask my opinion. You know, he`s pretty high-profile. But what`s the appeal? How would you appeal this case?

DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, no, as Gloria said, I mean, it would have to be an abuse of discretion. The sentence is within the parameters of what`s provided by law, so it`s a very difficult appeal. What I find ironic is the normal complaint is that celebrities are being treated too leniently. Here we just flip that on its head and we say a celebrity is being treated too harshly. It`s ridiculous.

DIMOND: Holly Hughes, you`re the prosecutor in the bunch here tonight. What do you think about the chances for a pardon, or even an appeal, for that matter, laughable?

HOLLY HUGHES, PROSECUTOR: I think it is laughable, absolutely, Diane. I agree with what everybody else said. There`s not an abuse of discretion. It clearly falls within what is allowed under California law, which is up to six months confinement in this particular case. And as you pointed out, these are actually fans making this kind of noise, saying, We`re going to appeal to the governor for a pardon. She doesn`t have a chance to get this. And unless they can show abuse of discretion, which I don`t think is going to happen, she`s going to have to go do her time.

DIMOND: Yes. Although the judge did really sock it to her -- you know, no alternative jail -- in California, you can pay a little extra and get a cushier cell. He gave her the maximum, no furloughs, no work releases, nothing. So I mean, he really did sock it to her.

David Caplan, celebrity journalist, is it true that Paris Hilton`s getting death threats on Myspace?

CAPLAN: It is, actually. Fans, or anti-fans, are posting messages on her Myspace page saying that she belongs to go in jail, that she`s not a nice person, and a lot more inflammatory things. So this is a really polarizing debate. You`d think there are so many bigger issues out there, but people are enraged about this.

DIMOND: Yes. Yes. Sue Moss, family attorney, child advocate, come in here and talk to us about the reality of this situation. You know, it seems like it`s easy to -- it`s almost the American pastime now to make fun of the celebutante, Paris Hilton, all of that. Even Patty Hearst apparently was misquoted, we understand, as saying that she had given Paris some advice about how to act in jail. She now says that she never did that. In fact, she worries about the safety of the other prisoners while Paris is in jail.

But what I want to talk with you about, Sue, is the instances of drunk driving and what really happens. And on this program, I know they spend an awful lot of time looking at the faces of young children who have lost their lives to drunk drivers. This is serious business. This is not funny.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Drunk driving is a series epidemic in this country, and the results and the penalties have to be equally as serious. You know you`re in trouble when the best advice is coming from Tori Spelling`s mother, but that`s exactly the advice Paris should take. It`s time to accept what has happened to you, accept the punishment, go serve your term, and then move on with your life. She`s not going to prove to the public that she`s changed her life in three weeks of wearing white. It`s time that she accepts what happens and just move on.

DIMOND: Yes. Yes, I agree with you. You know, in the state of California -- we looked up some statistics here -- in 2004, there were more than 1,600 alcohol-related traffic fatalities in California. In 2005, an extra 100, about 1,700. Again, this is not a joke. And when you look at the faces of the young people that we are putting on the screen -- Nancy Grace puts them on the screen every night that she talks about this program -- that`s the important thing to think about.

I want to bring in Pat Brown. She is a criminal profiler. And I mean, I guess Paris is a criminal for what she has done here. But she certainly does not fit the profile, does she.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, she does have the narcissistic thing going a lot of criminals have, say, I didn`t do anything and I shouldn`t be punished for anything, and I just shouldn`t have to go to jail. Now, if she really was remorseful about what she did, she would say, you know, I was wrong. I knew I shouldn`t have been out there drinking and driving. I knew I shouldn`t have been driving without a license. I was wrong. I`ll do my time. I`m sorry, guys, but I deserve it.

DIMOND: Yes.

BROWN: But is she going to say that, Diane? I don`t think so.

DIMOND: This is me not holding my breath about that, Pat.

BROWN: No. Me, either.

DIMOND: Let`s go back to Ken Baker. He`s the editorial director of USmagazine.com. Ken, what do you think about Paris Hilton and what she may or may not learn about this? I mean, the way I`m reading this right now, they said there was going to be an appeal, there is no appeal. They`re talking about a pardon, there`s not going to be a pardon. She is likely going to go to jail. Is this going to make her rethink the way she lives her life? You`ve seen her in action.

BAKER: Well, what`s interesting is that even though you guys were saying that, Oh, she hasn`t taken responsibility, she did put out a statement where she said that she deserves to be punished, like anyone else.

DIMOND: Yes, yes, yes.

BAKER: Her point -- her point has been, she feels as though she`s being singled out, she`s being made an example of. Very few people will agree with her, but she has said that. But she has said that she will take responsibility for it. Will she change her life? OK, now, that`s a really good question. I just found out today from my experts down in the penal system out here that she`s probably going to spend more like five or six days because she`s going to end up spending -- the judge sentenced 45 because he knew she was going to end up spending maybe 10 percent of that time in jail in actuality. So is she going to learn anything in five or six days? Probably not.

DIMOND: Yes, I bet not.

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BAKER: Paris Hilton will learn when she has to learn. And so far, she hasn`t been put up to that place where she has to change herself. And a point was made that Paris has gone into hiding a little bit. I disagree. She`s been out at Polo Lounge. She`s been at Teddy`s nightclub, which is the hottest spot for young Hollywood...

DIMOND: Has she been drinking alcohol?

BAKER: Yes, there`s been people who`ve seen her around alcohol, who have seen her partying. Whether -- what she`s doing when people aren`t looking, we don`t know. But she really hasn`t changed her lifestyle that much.

DIMOND: I want to get back to what you said about the prison sentence. Gloria Allred, what the heck is going on out there in California? Why, if you`re sentenced to 45 days, might you serve only four or five? What is it?

ALLRED: Well, there are two factor, Diane. One is, of course, she`s going to get credit for good time. But in addition, there`s overcrowding in the system, and that means -- and as a result of court orders, there`s going to have to be a reduction of the number of inmates in the jails. And the way the sheriff has been doing that is to be releasing certain prisoners, generally the nonviolent offenders, earlier than they have been sentenced to serve because that`s the only way to reduce the overcrowding. We just simply don`t have enough space in the jails.

DIMOND: Yes, I know, but this is such a visible case, and this is, I think, one instance where the system may come down harder on her because if you let her out after two days or four days or five days instead of 45, there`s going to be some backlash. Anyway, we`ll talk more about that and what Paris can expect once she goes to prison with the other inmates.

But first, our "Case Alert." A 91-year-old man -- 91 years old! -- is recovering after he was severely beaten in the face by a carjacker, the entire brutal beating caught on tape. It is so hard to watch! Oh! Leonard Simms (ph) attacked by 22-year-old Deonte Bradley (ph), now formally charged with felony carjacking and assault. Simms, a World War II veteran, does not believe the charges are harsh enough. I don`t, either. How about attempted murder?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He could have killed me. So I think they should have charged him...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For attempted murder?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- for attempted murder.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She comes from a family that for decades have felt they`re above the law. A few years ago, her mother, Kathy Hilton, made a statement that clearly underscores the jam Paris is in now. And those words were, My daughters are stars, and stars may do anything they please. Paris grew up with this -- inherited this certain arrogance, a false sense of privilege narcissistic ambition for being the center of attention.

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DIMOND: And we wonder where Paris gets it from. Hi, everybody. Welcome back. I`m Diane Dimond, in tonight for Nancy Grace. I want to bring in Andrea Macari -- she is a clinical psychologist -- and ask you this simple question. Why do so many of American youth look at this woman as a role model? And what has she done?

ANDREA MACARI, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I would argue with that. I actually think it`s actually very demeaning to say that little kids find her a role model. I think that she`s popular but not influential. I think little kids want her wardrobe, but they don`t want to be her.

DIMOND: That`s interesting. Gee, I hope you`re right.

Let`s bring back Pat Brown. Now, Pat, let me ask you to, A, tell us what it`s going to be like in jail for her, what kind of amenities will she have and not have. And B, you`re a profiler, profile some of the other prisoners for me.

BROWN: Well, I think it`s not going to be in as bad in jail as all that. After all, this is Paris Hilton. Anybody else who goes to jail just gets treated like dirt by the rest of the prisoners. But this is Paris. She`s full of stories. She`s Hollywood. The prisoners are bored. I mean, you know, they`re sitting out that time, too, so they`re going to be excited to have this celebrity in their midst. They can talk to her and -- you know, oh, they`re just going to have a great time. So I think Paris really doesn`t have too much to worry about.

DIMOND: Yes, she`ll gather them all around and have story time in their orange jumpsuits and their granny panties, right?

BROWN: I want to say one thing about as a role model. That`s -- that -- what was it -- what`s the word for that thing? The petition that went out to the governor...

DIMOND: Oh, yes, the pardon request.

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BROWN: Yes. They said she was the hope of youth. And that`s pretty appalling, that they are looking to her as hope. They want to be rich, they want to be famous, they want to be celebrities themselves, and that`s a pretty dangerous role model, in my opinion.

DIMOND: Yes, and to think, though, she should be pardoned or not sentenced to any jail time because she`s brought us so much entertainment and enjoyment.

BROWN: And our hope isn`t Mother Teresa or a woman who is in high, powerful place anymore in politics. It`s now Paris. Oh, gosh help us all.

DIMOND: Yes. I know Mother Teresa. Paris Hilton is no Mother Teresa.

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BROWN: ... with the white clothes on, she will be, but you know...

DIMOND: There you go.

Now to tonight`s "Case Alert." Dutch and Aruban investigators searched the home of two brothers who were one-time suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, missing since May 2005, authorities searching the property where Deepak and Satish Kalpoe live with their parents. Both brothers were escorted from the property by police after objecting to the search. No items were seized from the home.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It all happened here, at Wilcox (ph) and Selma (ph) in Hollywood. Paris was driving her Mercedes here at around 12:30 AM when police say they saw her driving erratically and stopped her. A short time and a field sobriety test later, Paris was busted.

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DIMOND: Oh, what`s a little celebutante to do! She may be going to jail for up to 45 days, but nobody really thinks she`s going to do that.

All right, Doug Burns, as the defense attorney, do you go to the judge or the prison officials or whoever and say, you know, She`s famous, she needs extra security?

BURNS: Yes. No, I think the reality of this, Diane, is that they`re going to keep her separate. They really have to. They have no choice because they could face all kinds of staggering liabilities if they don`t do that. They will definitely keep her separate and protected. And as previously discussed, she`ll get some good time credit, some early release because of overcrowding, but not as much. You made a good point. They`re not going to make it two or three days. No way.

DIMOND: Yes. Holly Hughes, as a prosecutor, you`re not going to complain about that. I mean, she is, after all, Paris Hilton.

HUGHES: Absolutely, Diane. I agree with Doug 100 percent that they`re going to have to protect her to some extent so that they don`t face any liability or charges. And she`s just going to have to do her time locked in a cell probably about 22 hours out of the day.

DIMOND: Ken Baker, real quick, tell us about this new attorney, Richard Hutton (ph). Do you think he`ll ask for extra security for her?

BAKER: Well, Richard Hutton is the foremost DUI attorney in the state of California.

DIMOND: Oh!

BAKER: He started an institute just focused on DUI defense lawyering. So he is very much the guy to go to. In fact, the strategic error that she made was that she didn`t have him on the case from the very beginning.

DIMOND: Absolutely.

BAKER: And now she`s trying to -- she`s trying to play catchup now.

DIMOND: You`ve got to have a specialist!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She will be booked into custody, as we would do with any inmate. All property, all personal property will be removed, will be taken and put into a holding bag, an area, locked up, secured for her. She will be searched, cavity searched, just like any other inmate, and then she`ll be processed through the system.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We interviewed people involved with the sheriff`s department, who told us quite extensively about what to expect there. And, you know, the joke has been made a million times, but it is no Hilton.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of my lawyers tells me that, just this week, somebody that was sentenced to 45 days, just similar to her, was released in less than 24 hours because of the overcrowding.

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DIANE DIMOND, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Look at the clock. Oh, my gosh, write this down: 22 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, 54, 53 seconds, until Paris Hilton must surrender herself, unless, of course, they file an appeal. And when that happens, she`ll be stripped of all cosmetics, there will be no stiletto heels, she`ll have to give up her thong underpants, and have the granny panties they give everybody, no 600-thread-count sheets. It will be more like burlap to her skin.

But this is not the only problem that Miss Paris Hilton has. Apparently there`s another lawsuit pending, a $10 million lawsuit. I`m Diane Dimond, in tonight for Nancy Grace. I want to get more about this from David Caplan.

David, what is this lawsuit all about? And, according to Paris Hilton`s attorney, she cannot appear to defend herself because she`s too distraught over her upcoming prison sentence.

DAVID CAPLAN, "STAR" MAGAZINE: This is a civil lawsuit that was filed in 2005 by Zeta Graff, who`s a billionaire who`s filed this lawsuit against Paris because Ms. Graff was claiming that Paris was spreading vicious lies in the "New York Post."

DIMOND: She`s a blabbermouth. She`s a gossip, yes.

CAPLAN: But she saying that what she was spreading, though, were vicious lives. So Ms. Graff has slapped her with this $10 million lawsuit. And they were supposed to be in court on May 21st. However, Dr. Charles Sofie (ph), a Los Angeles psychiatrist, has filed in papers saying that Paris is so distraught, so emotionally, you know, just a wreck, that she can`t go to court. The judge said, "OK, I agree, Paris is distraught," and August 21st is the new date for this civil lawsuit.

DIMOND: Oh, poor, poor Paris. Yes, this doctor also claims that forcing Paris to participate in this lawsuit would exacerbate her current mental condition. Oh.

All right. Let`s go to the phones. Judy in Wisconsin, what`s your question, Judy?

CALLER: Why didn`t the judge sentence her to house arrest?

DIMOND: Oh, that`s a good question.

Gloria Allred, you`re the attorney out there in California. Do they ever do house arrest for DUIs there?

GLORIA ALLRED, ATTORNEY: Well, actually, I don`t think she`s being sentenced for the DUI, in a sense. She`s really being sentenced for violating the probation that she got.

DIMOND: Oh, that`s right.

ALLRED: And one of the terms of that probation was, Diane, was don`t drive with a suspended license. And your license is automatically suspended if you`re convicted of the DUI. And so it was suspended, and she did drive with a suspended license. And so, therefore, the gift really that the initial judge gave her which was, you do not have to go to jail. You get to be on probation instead. That gift is now withdrawn.

The sentence originally imposed, that was suspended, because she got probation, is now reinstated. And she has to go to jail. And I think it`s the correct -- it`s the correct decision to send her to jail. The only question is, for how long?

DIMOND: Now, Gloria, you know, you spent your entire career -- and I`ve covered much of your career -- being an advocate for women. And I just wonder, this puts you in a delicate position, I suppose. Do you support her going to prison? Do you think Paris is a victim in any way here?

ALLRED: I think that it`s correct to send her to jail if the court found, which it did, that she violated the terms and conditions of her probation. And I don`t think that she should get special treatment.

On the other hand, it is not the purpose of the criminal justice system to use one person, even a celebrity, to make an example, to punish them so that other people will learn. She has to be treated not better than anyone else, but also not worse than anyone else.

DIMOND: Not worse, right.

ALLRED: And I do think that a lot of people who have violated the terms of their probation do get sent to jail.

DIMOND: Yes. You kind of walked down that line delicately, Gloria. All right, let`s go to the phones again. Rhonda is calling us from Florida. Hi, Rhonda.

CALLER: Hi, how are you doing?

DIMOND: I`m good. How are you?

CALLER: All right. I just wanted to know, when Paris gets released from jail, will she still have to be on probation, or could they sentence her to house arrest? Or when she gets released, that she`s done with that?

DIMOND: Oh, that`s a good question.

To Holly Hughes, now, I know you`re not a prosecutor out there in California, but what usually happens here? Will she get some probation?

HOLLY HUGHES, PROSECUTOR: She should still remain on probation, Diane. Typically what will happen, when a judge revokes a portion of it, if her original probation was about a year, and he revokes 45 days, he will typically reinstate the balance. So when she is released from prison, she will have to continue on her probation and continue with all the conditions that were originally given to her.

DIMOND: I see. OK.

But, David Caplan, you`re telling me that, even before she goes in to lockup -- I never thought I`d be saying those words, lockup and Paris Hilton in the same sentence -- she`s planning a party.

CAPLAN: That`s right, she is.

DIMOND: What is that?

CAPLAN: She`s expected in Miami this Saturday night at Casa Casuarina, which is Versace`s old mansion, and she`s going to be hosting a big party there in Miami which is the place to go if you`re a celebrity, you`re young, and you want to party. So she`s going to be heading to prison, but she is definitely going to have a good time to the lead-up.

DIMOND: Now, is she driving herself to this party? Or what do you know about this?

CAPLAN: I do know that she`s going to be taken there by private jet. So no driving, no bus, style all the way. And she`s going to be paid in excess of $100,000 to make an appearance at this party.

DIMOND: I got the wrong job. You know? Because I could go to a party, and I`m available. Man, oh, man.

Let`s go back out to -- I`m sorry -- Ken Baker. Ken, I spaced on your name there for a second. She`s also preparing for her prison by taking karate lessons? Have I got that right?

KEN BAKER, "US WEEKLY": Well, she`s been going to the gym a lot. She`s been pumping iron. And I think really what it is, is stress control. I mean, she`s trying to mitigate her stress, because this is a very stressful time.

And I think that we are seeing Paris continuing to live her life. Like David said, she`s going to attend this party. It`s well-known that Paris gets six figures just to show up for whether it`s five, 10 minutes, an hour, it doesn`t matter. She gets paid six figures. That is her career.

DIMOND: I would take five figures, OK? Just five figures.

Andrea Macari, I`ve got to come back to this again, because I really hope that it`s true. Given all of this, is this going to be a wakeup call for Paris Hilton? What you know of her, could this be a turning point in her life or is this going to be just a little nuisance?

ANDREA MACARI, INSTRUCTOR OF PSYCHOLOGY: I doubt it. She is a psychologist`s worst nightmare. She`s the worst kind of patient to have. She lacks insight. She has no remorse. She minimizes her responsibility for things. She`s cognitively unsophisticated, shall we say, AKA kind of dumb. Even the most talented shrink isn`t going to be able to put a dent in this. And you know, Diane? That`s just not hot.

DIMOND: Yes.

Sue Moss, what happens now? She serves her time. Then she gets out of prison. She goes back to making, you know, what is it, the real life or whatever with Nicole Ritchie, and being the celebutante again. Is there no more lesson for her than that?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Well, we as a society have enabled Paris Hilton to do what she`s done, and now the P.R. backlash is devastating to Paris` career.

But I`ll tell you something: As this P.R. backlash continues to get worse and worse for her, her P.R. agent is thinking maybe he should go back to giving legal advice, although that didn`t work out so well for her, as well. When she gets out of jail, she`s going to have to start rebuilding the brand that is Paris Hilton. But since we`re all interested, she`ll probably do a good job at that.

DIMOND: Yes, I`m not sure how much it will really affect her brand, but we`ll see.

When we come back, to Chicago and the mysterious case of missing mom Lisa Stebic.

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DIMOND: April 30th was the last time that she was seen. And she works at a school cafeteria, so she reported for work that day. They saw her. Her husband is the last one that says he saw her late in the afternoon on April 30. He said that she normally would leave in the evening to go do exercise, come back 10:30 or 11:00. She was never seen again. Her cell phone, her credit cards, they haven`t been used since that April 30th date.

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DIMOND: Welcome back. I`m Diane Dimond, in for Nancy Grace.

Well, Mother`s Day came and went. They were hoping for a miracle, some way, somehow, to find missing mom Lisa Stebic. She left home presumably for a jog, left her two children behind, and her soon-to-be ex- husband, and has not been seen since. No suspects, no evidence, no leads, a terrible tragedy for that entire community.

Michele Fiore is a local radio reporter there with WBBM Newsradio. Michele, I know you spoke to the chief of police today. Still, no leads, no suspects?

MICHELE FIORE, REPORTER: I did. I talked to Chief Don Bennett this afternoon, and he told me that today detectives spent time just trying to tie up some loose ends over here. The tips do keep coming in, he says, especially since Lisa`s story has gone nationwide. You may recall that divers took some time last week searching a couple of retention ponds near the Stebic home, but they found nothing.

Today, they went out. I should say that the visibility was reported as zero, but that police did a very thorough search despite that difficulty. Chief Bennett says, though, that they have no plans to be back out in the water. When I talked to him today, he also spoke about the children, the 10- and 12-year-old children of the Stebics, and he tells me that police have not had contact with those kids since the day that Lisa went missing.

Now, at that time, the children were reporting that they did see their mom after school, as was typical for them. Mom would get home first from work. Dad got home later. And that`s it. Police do still want to talk to the kids again.

However, now that Craig Stebic is using an attorney in all this, everything police do has to go through Craig Stebic`s attorney. So Chief Bennett told me they did put in a request to have the children go over to the Will County advocacy center. Police say that they actually made that request several days ago, and even at that time were offering dates at which the kids could go there to be interviewed by somebody other than the Plainfield police. But Chief Bennett said that, so far, Craig Stebic`s attorney has not given the go-ahead on this issue.

DIMOND: Now, see, this is bizarre to me, to Michelle Fiore, of WBBM radio, because he`s a divorce lawyer. He`s not a criminal lawyer.

FIORE: Yes.

DIMOND: This seems just so strange.

Let`s bring in Melanie Greenberg. She is a cousin of the missing woman and has been very active in the search for her.

Thanks a lot for being with us, Ms. Greenberg. Now, there was a huge search this weekend. I want to talk to you about that. But first, I really want to talk about the children. Have you seen them? Do you think they might know more than they`ve been able to tell police?

MELANIE GREENBERG, LISA STEBIC`S COUSIN: You know, I don`t know if they know anything more. I do understand that they did see their mom that Monday, April 30th, after school. I last saw Lisa`s daughter on Friday, and the children did spend a lot of time with Lisa`s family this weekend, with Mother`s Day. Because of the massive search on Saturday, it was thought best to get the children out of Plainfield for a while.

On Saturday, we had over 150 emergency personnel searching, as well as over 275 volunteer searchers fanning out all over Plainfield. And the family just want to express our profound gratitude to all of those volunteers that came out, to take time out of their Mother`s Day weekend to help search for Lisa.

DIMOND: And you know, Melanie, actually, we`re hearing reports that it may be as many as 400 people were there. Let`s go to the phones, lots of calls on this. We`ll try to get a couple in.

Michelle from New Mexico is calling. Hi, Michelle.

CALLER: Hi, how are you?

DIMOND: I`m great. And I`m from New Mexico, so I`m glad to hear from you.

CALLER: Oh, thank you.

DIMOND: What`s your question?

CALLER: I`m wondering if they searched the house. If he was the last one to see her, maybe she`s still in that house.

DIMOND: Oh, that`s a good question. Ed Miller is with "America`s Most Wanted." And he`s been on this case from the very beginning. He does lots of cases like this. Ed, what do you know about that? Have they searched inside that house?

ED MILLER, REPORTER, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": Well, they have searched inside the house, but my sources tell me that, as of now, this investigation is severely hindered because of the husband. In other words, they did a very quick search in the very beginning. They did speak to the children in the very beginning, as well as they did speak to the husband, Craig, in the very beginning.

But as you well know, in any investigation, they do follow-up questions. And the husband is not cooperating. Through his attorney, he says he is cooperating, but that`s not really the definition that police believe cooperation is.

In other words, if you really are looking for your wife, whether or not you`re getting divorced -- that is the mother of your children -- you would say, "Sure, come on in. What can I do to help? Ask me anything."

DIMOND: Absolutely.

MILLER: And, of course, he`s not doing that. He`s saying, well, let`s see when we can set up a date that`s mutually acceptable to all of us. The key thing here is -- and we investigated this last weekend, made it public -- that Dad gave the kids money to go buy candy at the store. So there was a time there when no one was in the house. The children were out of the house, and only Mom and Dad were home alone.

DIMOND: So there was opportunity.

MILLER: That`s right. The kids come back from the store, and Mom is gone. What happened to her, we don`t know.

DIMOND: And not only that, Ed, but this man, you know, the whereabouts of his wife is unknown, and he is going along with his defense attorney to, a, not do a polygraph test, and, b, go into court and claim full custody when his wife may be lying -- soon-to-be ex-wife may be lying hurt or even worse somewhere.

His attorney is Dion Davi, and he put forth a statement to us today. "All courses of action that I have taken have been in the best interest of my client and his children. We have in no way intended or hampered the investigation that the police are conducting," he says. "With the exception of the polygraph, all requests made by the Plainfield Police Department have been met or in the process of being met. We intend to fully cooperate and assist in any way possible with the investigation."

Melanie Greenberg, does your family think he is being upfront here? Do you all suspect him?

GREENBERG: Well, you know, I don`t want to speculate on anything that`s going to impede the police investigation. But Lisa`s family -- you know, I just don`t know if Craig is getting the very best legal advice. As you pointed out, this is a divorce attorney. And we would just urge Craig to take the polygraph, to answer any follow-up questions that the police department may have.

DIMOND: Because he`s not a suspect. He`s not been named as a person of interest. So why not cooperate? That`s what you`re saying.

GREENBERG: It`s been two weeks today. Today is two weeks that Lisa has gone missing. And I can`t imagine what is more urgent than that.

DIMOND: Right.

GREENBERG: You know, we would like -- you know, if there`s any further information that he might be able to give the Plainfield police that might assist them in their investigation.

DIMOND: Our hearts just go out to you, Melanie. I wish we had more time.

GREENBERG: Thank you.

DIMOND: Thirty seconds, Pat Brown, the FBI`s involved. What kind of perpetrator have they profiled, Pat?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, I`m guessing they`re looking very heavily at that husband, because, who else is there to look at, at this point? You know, this man, if he were innocent, he would be not doing if he`s doing. If he was innocent, there would be no physical evidence in his house, no physical evidence in his car, no physical evidence anywhere near him. So what`s his problem?

DIMOND: So open the doors, and let the sunshine in.

BROWN: Absolutely.

DIMOND: That`s it for me tonight. I`m Diane Dimond, sitting in tonight for Nancy Grace. She`ll continue to watch the missing mother of two, day 14. How many more days? And we`ll be right back.

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DIMOND: Well, Lisa Stebic, suburban Chicago housewife, still missing. I want to go to our guest, Andrea Macari. First of all, actually, let me go to Holly Hughes. Holly, you`re the prosecutor here. Is there any way to force access to her two children so police can question them? They may have crucial information.

HUGHES: Absolutely, there is a way to do it. I don`t understand why the husband wouldn`t just allow access. But if he is refusing access to those children, they can have a guardian ad litem appointed by the court who is going to operate in the best interests of the children, and that guardian can be there and be present while those children are, in fact, questioned.

DIMOND: Yes, I wonder actually why that hasn`t been done. It has been 14 days so far.

Now, to Andrea Macari, she is a clinical psychotherapist. Let me ask you, Andrea, these children, let`s hope for their sake that the worst has not happened here, but even if Mom does come home sometime, this is going to affect them for the rest of their lives.

MACARI: Absolutely. Oh, my gosh. Imagine the sense of betrayal and confusion and guilt they must be experiencing. And, you know, 10 million American kids each year are witnesses to domestic violence. We can only wonder what they might have seen before.

DIMOND: Oh, it just makes my heart hurt. Thanks a lot.

Well, tonight we remember First Lieutenant Ryan Jones, just 23 years old, Westminster, Massachusetts, a graduate of Worcester Polytechnic Institute. Jones was a university orientation leader, a favorite among the students he helped get acclimated at the school, co-captain of his high school`s football team, and a member of the National Honor Society. Jones received the Monty Tech Purple and Gold Award for being his high school`s most positive role model. He leaves behind a grieving family, including parents Kevin and Elaine. Ryan Jones, an American hero.

Thanks to you all and all of our guests. Our biggest thanks, of course, is for you, the viewers, for being with us and inviting us into your homes. I`m Diane Dimond. Nancy`s back tomorrow.

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