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Paris Gets Ready for Jail; Arizona Teacher/Student Sex Case

Aired June 01, 2007 - 20:00   ET

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PAT LALAMA, GUEST HOST: Tonight: It`s countdown to ladies` lockup for Paris Hilton, Paris already receiving star treatment for a 45-day sentence for drunk driving and violating probation twice cut in half. And the jail plans to keep her in an exclusive private section away from the general prison population. Tonight, just four days away from having to turn herself in, will Paris Hilton make a surprise arrival at the ladies` detention center as early as tomorrow?
And tonight, felony child molestation. An Arizona cheerleading coach, an English teacher, charged with the repeated sexual abuse of a young boy. Bombshell developments tonight. Another student now comes forward with the same allegation, she`s busted on a reported phone call telling victim number one to keep quiet because he`s underage and she could go to jail. Will she face new charges?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was an investigation about a teacher who had possibly some kind of a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old student at Paradise Valley High School.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mrs. Mally (ph) is a married 26-year-old English teacher for the last two years at the school. She`s also the varsity cheerleading coach.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The principal and other administrators at the school began hearing rumors circulating about some kind of inappropriate behavior taking place between a teacher and a student.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Neither police nor the school would tell us whether the alleged crimes took place on campus, only that they began back in October.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She placed the teacher on administrative leave with pay, which is per state law and district policy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) teachers and all that (INAUDIBLE) really nervous about this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are people, apparently, who make very poor choices in their involvement with students, with other young people. It`s very unfortunate.

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LALAMA: Good evening. I`m Pat Lalama, in for Nancy Grace. First, countdown to ladies` lockup for Paris Hilton.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Paparazzi princess Paris Hilton is getting very close to doing time. As D-day draws near, little Miss Paris is stressed out and scared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think she just is extremely nervous about the unknown. I highly doubt that she`s ever been anywhere that the sheets were less than $1,000-thread-count. (SIC)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This has been a tough time for Paris Hilton. A source told "People" this week that her friends and family are worried about her. She`s been breaking down crying. She hasn`t been eating. She`s generally distressed about the entire situation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hilton has until June 5 to turn herself in to the Century Regional Detention Facility in Lynnwood, California. A police spokesperson confirms that once in the clink, Paris will be separated from the general inmate population and placed in a celebrity cell. Officials at the jail say it`s for her own safety.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Obviously, she`s very high profile, so inmates there at the jail will know exactly who she is, exactly when she shows up. And I can`t imagine that they`re going to be very nice.

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LALAMA: All right. She`s going to jail, and dare I say, that`s hot (ph). I`m sorry. I couldn`t resist it. Couldn`t.

Sibila Vargas, CNN correspondent. Is she going to make it? Is she going to survive?

SIBILA VARGAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I don`t know. I mean, if you`ve seen the new digs, it looks a little bit like hell. I`m sure that she would think it`s hell. But she`s going to be staying at the Century Regional Detention Facility. This is in Lynnwood, California. It`s about five miles south of downtown Los Angeles. Again, she`s staying in a 12-by- 8-foot cell.

The women there are, you know, offenders, from murderers -- there`s people that are there for forgery. There are women that are there for child abuse, traffic violation. The list goes on and on. But most of them are there for drug-related offenses. Paris Hilton is going to be spending time with some women that she has probably never thought that she`d be spending time with, that`s for sure.

LALAMA: Right. And you know, I know that jail -- not because I`ve spent time there. As a reporter, I`ve been there. It`s not the Paris Hilton.

And you know, I`m going to do something a little unconventional. I`m going to go first to our clinical psychologist, Patricia Saunders, and here`s why. Because what I don`t get about this story is, you can blame Paris all you want, but it`s really about those of us who are living and breathing the story. And then I think that`s a great jump-off point for the rest of the guests. Why do we care about this woman?

PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, every culture, every society needs heroes and icons that we can look up to, or we can hold in contempt. And I think that Paris really covers both of those grounds. I mean, her fan base are really 10 to 13-year-old girls, who aren`t thinking much about how she`s behaving.

LALAMA: And all the guys who think she`s hot, let`s face it! I mean, come on!

SAUNDERS: For sure. For sure.

LALAMA: But I mean, this is -- all right, you know what? Let`s go right to Tom O`Neil, senior editor, "In Touch Weekly," one of my favorite guests. How`re you doing, Tom?

TOM O`NEIL, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": Good, Pat. How are you?

LALAMA: I`m great. Well, kind of. This story really gets me riled up. Here`s the deal. We`re already talking about who`s going to make the most money over the first picture that comes out of the jailhouse. I`m hearing, like, a half million dollars if she`s got a baloney sandwich hanging out of her mouth and she`s in the fetal position in tears. This is all we`re talking about! I hear she`s having hair and makeup done on Monday. Go for it. Explain all this for us.

O`NEIL: That`s the beautiful little detail in this prelude to going to jail because she`s not due until Tuesday, and we know that the hair and makeup people are due Monday.

LALAMA: Oh! God help us!

O`NEIL: What does that mean? Well, only somebody who really knows the paparazzi cares about this. Monday is the day that magazines like "In Touch Weekly"...

LALAMA: Oh!

O`NEIL: ... ship our covers to the press. So she knows that the tabloid pictures about how she`s going to look in advance of going to jail will be depending on how she looks on Monday, not Tuesday. She knows that. She cares so much, so she`s actually having her entourage arrive that day.

LALAMA: But, OK, let`s -- oh, that was beautiful. That was beautiful. David Caplan, kind of like hanging off of that -- of Tom`s comment -- I mean, what -- is there something really sick about our society that we think that this woman is worth this kind of attention? And let me just also say it`s been VH-1`s best week ever.

DAVID CAPLAN, VH-1: Well, I think it definitely does say something about our society. We love celebrities. And the reason why, you know, we love Paris Hilton is because she`s aspirational because of her lifestyle, her...

LALAMA: Oh!

CAPLAN: It`s true. That`s the reason. You know, like any celebrity, they tend to be better-looking than us. They have great jobs.

LALAMA: Oh!

CAPLAN: So by her having this whole team of stylists arrive at her home 9:00 in the morning on Monday, that`s what we expect from Paris Hilton. I really think we`d be disappointed if we saw Paris Hilton go into that jail in just raggedy clothing, no makeup. We`re expecting a bit of a fashion show, similar to how Naomi Campbell attended her community service here in New York a couple months ago.

LALAMA: All right. Well, call me evil, but I can`t wait to see her without the hair extensions, OK? That`s all I`m waiting for.

(LAUGHTER)

LALAMA: I just can`t wait. All right, I want to go to former detective Donald Schweitzer from the Santa Ana, California, Police Department tonight. How`re you doing tonight?

DONALD SCHWEITZER, FORMER DETECTIVE, SANTA ANA POLICE DEPARTMENT: Great.

LALAMA: Let me ask you a question. I know from covering every celebrity DUI case known to man, 23 days is really about normal, wouldn`t you say? People are saying, Oh, you know, she`s -- the selective prosecution. She`s going to get the good time. There`s the overcrowding. She`s going to get the special section where nobody can harm her. And really, the sheriff`s department needs to protect her, do they not?

SCHWEITZER: They do. The amount of time that she`s gotten is appropriate for the crime she`s committed. But I do have to admit that in LA County, most people get less time than that because they`re released earlier because of overcrowding.

Paris Hilton is a blue-blooded American with privilege, wealth. She`s got all of the things that life could give her. America loves the story because she`s not above the law. The law`s applying to her, and she`s going to do her time.

LALAMA: Sheryl McCollum, former director of MADD, I believe. Do I have that correct?

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, FORMER DIR., MADD GEORGIA: Yes, of MADD Georgia.

LALAMA: Hi. How`re you doing? Listen, I mean, this must be an insult to you, the way -- I heard her sister say just recently, you know, This is so outrageous for a traffic violation. Well, come on. I mean, I`m sure these are nice girls. I don`t need to portray -- you know, have any kind of disdain for them. But that`s sheer stupidity. This is drunk driving.

MCCOLLUM: Right.

LALAMA: She`s lucky a child didn`t get hurt. And she violated her probation three times. I have no problem with her being rich. I don`t mind rich people. I wish I was one. But the fact is, this behavior is just -- it`s, like, they`re indignant about it, are they not?

MCCOLLUM: It`s out of control. She needs to go to jail, period. And when they say, Well, nobody`s gotten hurt -- not yet. I`m not willing to wait when it`s my children or somebody`s mother, grandmother, until there`s that kind of action to say, Hey, now it`s serious. Now we need to do something.

LALAMA: You know, you`re so right. I`m so happy we`re showing pictures of DUI victims. We cannot lose sight of what drunk driving has done to this society.

Gloria Allred, one of my favorite people in the world, advocate for children, great lawyer, author. Does it not sicken you that they`re talking about street cred now that she`s going to jail?

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: It does, Pat. And it sickens me because what we should be talking about is that she violated the law. And she was told that she was not to drive, and she drove on a suspended license. And part of the conditions of her probation were, obey all laws. She did not obey all laws. That is why she is going to jail. And I think that she should serve her time. And what really concerns me, Pat, is, she`s going to make, I think, potentially a mountain of money off of this.

LALAMA: Right. Right.

ALLRED: She`s going to profit from this. She`s going to keep a diary, according to reports.

LALAMA: Right.

ALLRED: She may sell that for over $1 million. I`d like her to donate that money, if she makes it, from her diary of what happens to her in jail, to MADD, to Mothers Against Drunk Driving. She shouldn`t profit one cent.

LALAMA: Yes, if any of us have an ounce of integrity, we`ll, like, start an appeal to make sure that money does go to MADD. I`ll be behind you, Gloria, the whole way.

I want to go to an old friend of mine, and I haven`t seen him or talked to him in years, John Burris. How`re you doing, John?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Hi.

LALAMA: Nice to see you. Remember from the Rodney King civil case?

BURRIS: I remember.

LALAMA: I followed you around the courthouse all the time, asking questions.

BURRIS: Those were good days.

LALAMA: Yes, they were the good days. John, let me ask you, would you just love to represent Paris Hilton? Come on! Come on! You would love to be her attorney, wouldn`t you.

BURRIS: Well, she`s already got a lawyer, but sure, I would have represented her. That wouldn`t have been a problem for me. I would have represented her and tried to get the best situation I could for her. Hopefully, I would have been able to keep her from going to jail, or at least cut it down to some other issue.

It seems to me, given this lady has a severe alcohol problem, if I were representing her, I think I`d try to work harder on trying to get her into some kind of rehabilitation program and make that more a condition of probation. Granted, she`s done some illegal things in terms of drinking, but she obviously has a real problem. And what you really need to do is try to address yourself to that. I think I`d have been a stronger advocate for trying to get her into some kind of rehab, and not just a celebrity rehab thing to say -- to keep her from out of a trial (ph), but to recognize, obviously, this woman has a real problem and we need to deal with it.

LALAMA: John, I respect that, and I think good lawyers do want to try to help people overcome their issues. But Holly Hughes, prosecutor, I`m not buying that in this case. The three times she was stopped, she wasn`t drunk, she was just being a brat. I didn`t know. I`m busy. I don`t read the stuff. You know what? What do you think if I told a cop that, Oh, I didn`t read the stuff, I`m busy, I didn`t know, my -- and she blames her poor publicist, who, like, comes back like a lapdog, Oh, OK, I`m back. I mean, do you buy is business that she`s got a problem?

HOLLY HUGHES, PROSECUTOR: She`s got a problem, all right, Pat, but it`s not alcoholism. It`s just thinking she`s above the law and she doesn`t have to follow the rules same as anybody else. They did give her an opportunity. They did try and address the problem. They put her on probation. She certainly has the money to go and get herself alcohol treatment, if that`s what`s necessary.

Alcoholism isn`t her problem. She just thinks she doesn`t have to follow the rules. As you pointed out, she was stopped three different times after being given probation...

LALAMA: Right.

HUGHES: ... after being given a little slap on the wrist and the opportunity to serve her sentence outside of a jail cell. Now it`s time to pay the piper. She doesn`t think that she has to do what everybody has to do? Well, let her go sit still for 23 days and think about that, Pat.

LALAMA: Yes, well, this is where the good parenting could have come in, if it had been there. And I`m going to get a lot of you-know-what for saying that. But you know, your children need to learn responsibility.

Listen to this, everybody.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Paparazzi princess Paris Hilton is getting very close to doing time. As D-day draws near, little Miss Paris is stressed out and scared. Hilton has until June 5 to turn herself in to the Century Regional detention facility in Lynnwood, California. A spokesperson says once in the clink, Paris will be separated from the general inmate population and placed in a celebrity cell. Officials at the jail say it`s for her own safety.

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LALAMA: And for more, of course, on the Paris Hilton story, tune into "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" tonight 11:00 PM Eastern. And speaking of "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT," my good friend, Sibina -- oh, excuse me, Sibila. Forgive me!

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LALAMA: All the times I`ve been on TV with you! Oh!

VARGAS: I know. It happens.

LALAMA: Yes. OK. Thank you. You can call me anything you want. Take Lalama and just ruin it.

VARGAS: All right. OK.

LALAMA: Sibila, you know, when do we expect -- I mean, do we expect her to come early?

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VARGAS: The speculation is that she will come early because she wants to get away from the media frenzy. But like you`ve been saying, this is one of the biggest stories. And we don`t know why, but there is a media frenzy around her. And I don`t see her going in this weekend. Well, she might go in this weekend, but I tell you, she`s not going to get away from the paparazzi and the people that are going to be there because I imagine that`s going to be a 24-hour media frenzy.

LALAMA: Right.

VARGAS: But she is expected to go in, at least, she has to go in by June 5. And that`s 11:59 PM, so she`s got until that time. What time it happens, I don`t know, but it`s going to be a surprise.

LALAMA: Thank you, Sibila. Sibila.

OK, now, Patricia Saunders, repeat for me what you told me. Tell the guests what you read to me. This to me tells the whole story of the ruination of our society.

(LAUGHTER)

SAUNDERS: One of the people in Paris`s entourage allegedly said that this is going to be a fabulous experience for her because she`s going to get enviably skinny because I assume the diet of mystery meat with secret sauce, and that her skin is going to be able to breathe because she won`t have any makeup or hair products on. And this is really the most sickening, you mentioned it before, Pat, is that she`s going to get a lot of street cred.

LALAMA: Yes.

SAUNDERS: I think one of the thing that`s driving the media frenzy is that here is a hero with very clay feet that are crumbling all over the place.

LALAMA: Gloria Allred, very quickly, we talked about the street cred, and she`s still going to make money. Very quickly, what does this tell us about a society, our society?

ALLRED: Well, I think it tells us that we are fascinated by a celebrity, but we do want a celebrity to be treated like everybody else when it comes to the law. They shouldn`t be treated any better than anyone else, but they shouldn`t be treated worse than anyone else. And we`ll have to see how the system works in this instance. I think that LA County will make sure that she is not hurt but that she does serve her sentence.

LALAMA: Oh, that`s all we need is a lawsuit from somebody because the sheriffs didn`t take care of her.

To tonight`s "Case Alert." Captured, two suspects who stormed into a Chicago bank and opened fire, killing a bank teller and injuring two others now in custody. The unidentified masked gunmen, the target of an intense FBI manhunt since the deadly robbery on May 22. No word on the third masked gunman. Court appearances up next. The two suspects now behind bars.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it`s official. The rumors are true. After reviewing her case, LA County sheriff`s officials say Paris Hilton will spend at least 23 days behind bars, not the 45 days originally sentenced. The Hiltons` attorneys dropped plans for an appeal, perhaps signaling her lawyers know a good deal when they see one.

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LALAMA: I`m Pat Lalama, in for Nancy Grace. Former detective Schweitzer, is she likely, in your experience, to be a good girl when she gets out? You think? I mean, If we all had her millions, and you know -- I don`t know, maybe she`s got this sense of entitlement that will never go away. But is there a chance for her to say, You know what? I grew out of this experience.

SCHWEITZER: Serving time in an 8-by-12 concrete cell with a metal bed, eating slop three times a day, being watched, being afraid of going to the bathroom -- it`s a very humbling experience. And I would think that she, like most of us who would have to endure that, would be a different person coming out. I don`t know her well enough to say, but we certainly hope that she uses this as an experience to grow.

LALAMA: Tom O`Neil, what do you say? Is she going to be a good girl when she gets out?

O`NEIL: Not a chance.

(LAUGHTER)

LALAMA: Then all of her street cred would go to hell, right? I mean, forget about it!

O`NEIL: The reason we love Paris Hilton is because she has become a very important soap opera character in pop culture.

LALAMA: Oh!

O`NEIL: We turn all our stars into this. She`s the rebel. She`s the bad girl who`s naughty and sometimes ditzy. And she claims she doesn`t know (INAUDIBLE) She`s rich. She is every middle American girl`s fantasy...

LALAMA: Oh!

O`NEIL: ... of who she wants to be...

LALAMA: Oh!

O`NEIL: ... somebody who is above...

LALAMA: Don`t say that!

O`NEIL: Oh, come on! You know, someone who could be...

LALAMA: Oh! Get over here! I want to talk to you.

(LAUGHTER)

O`NEIL: Now, wait, wait, wait. So my prediction is...

LALAMA: Oh!

O`NEIL: ... she arrives at jail, because she knows how to play this part, with a Bible in one arm...

LALAMA: Oh, mamma mia!

O`NEIL: ... a little kitty in the other and a veil, Pat. I`m guessing a veil.

LALAMA: Yes. Oh! A black veil or white? (INAUDIBLE) a Madonna or - - what are we talking about here?

O`NEIL: Black veil. Black.

LALAMA: David Caplan, do you think this -- I mean, I think this is a woman -- and again, this is not a personal insult. She could be the nicest girl on earth. But it`s a girl who made herself famous by going to clubs and having sex on tape, OK? Is that all it takes in this society? Don`t you want more out of the people you worship?

CAPLAN: Yes, I mean, she definitely is a, quote, unquote, "celebrity" who stands apart from others because, really, what made her a celebrity is nothing artistic or creative. Most celebrities are actors, singers, musicians. They did something creative. Really, what Paris has done is she`s capitalized on her image and on her brand, and she`s being very successful in that. She`s perceived as a very sexy, stylish person.

LALAMA: Oh!

CAPLAN: So what does a sexy, stylish person do? They release a fragrance. They have a nightclub named after them. So she`s done great.

LALAMA: Oh!

CAPLAN: She`s more, really, of a branding expert or a celebrity, I feel.

LALAMA: Well, OK, I tell you what. She can have her perfume. She can have all that stuff. But the fact that she made a record -- I`m a music purist, and that just burns my you know what, that this woman is (INAUDIBLE) the new music industry thing. You take the looks first and then you model them and give them a CD. She sells 75,000 in the first week, dismal. But yet Eliot Mintz (ph), her publicist, says, Oh, that`s quite impressive!

Sibila, Sibila, what is she famous for? What is she -- what`s her talent?

VARGAS: Not quite sure. She`s famous for being famous and famous for having everyone, even us, talking about her right now. But you know what I think is really sad about this whole thing? I saw the pictures of her holding the Bible and also another very spiritual book, and I thought to myself, you know, maybe there is a chance for this woman to redeem herself. This is her opportunity. Really, I mean, a lot of people go to prison and they get help, they find religion, they find God and they change their lives.

LALAMA: You`re such a good girl, Sibila!

VARGAS: Well, you know what?

LALAMA: You`re always looking for the best in people.

VARGAS: I am looking for the best, and I really hope that Paris Hilton does that, and I hope that she doesn`t turn this around to, you know, profit from this. And if that is the case, then this is really a disgrace.

LALAMA: Well, I don`t think she`s going to like the fashions from the biblical times, to tell you the truth. But let`s hope for the best.

To tonight`s "Case Alert." The man known as "Dr. Death" for performing more than 130 assisted suicides walks free from a Michigan prison, Jack Kevorkian behind bars eight years for lethally injecting terminally ill patients by way of a, quote, "suicide machine." After years of acquittals and defying legal orders, Kevorkian convicted in 1999 in the murder of a terminally ill Michigan man. And now Kevorkian, on two years probation, says he plans to work on legalizing assisted suicides.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is not going to be "The Simple Life" San Quentin. This is the county jail. She`ll be in a 12-by-8 cell. She won`t have her cell phone or her Blackberry. She`ll have to share phones.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lot of people are going to want a piece of her. You know, it`s -- it`s too tempting of a target. But I think it`s fair to say that jail is not going to be fun for her.

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LALAMA: I`m Pat Lalama, sitting in for Nancy Grace. And I am so thankful that I have Patricia Saunders, clinical psychologist, here to hold my hand because I -- this story makes me nuts! I don`t wish any ill will. Let me just make that clear. She`s a beautiful, wonderful girl, a nice girl. I don`t think she`s an evil person. But do you think, in your experience, that this is going to make a difference? And do you agree with my friend, John Burris, who`s a defense attorney, that she needs help? I don`t think she`s got a substance abuse problem. I don`t get that feeling.

SAUNDERS: Well, we really don`t know. We don`t have enough information, really, about her. I wouldn`t be surprised, considering some of the other young celebs who have major substance abuse problems. And she certainly needs treatment for that.

But I think that she may not learn from this experience. Paris is a girl in a bubble. She didn`t learn from getting her driver`s license suspended.

LALAMA: Right.

SAUNDERS: She went out three times. And in order to have a conscience, or as we shrinks call it, superego, which monitors your own behavior, you have to learn from negative consequences. And in the past, she hasn`t. So although it`s going to be a pretty horrible week for her...

(CROSSTALK)

LALAMA: It might humble her a bit.

SAUNDERS: I think so. But I think her publicists and her entourage are going to turn it around and make it just something else that`s special.

LALAMA: Yes. Real quick point I want to make. It`s all the yes people around who don`t help her, either.

When we come back: Felony child molestation. An Arizona teacher sexually abuses, allegedly, a young boy student. Now a second student comes forward with the same stunning allegations.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mrs. Mally is a married 26-year-old English teacher for the last two years at the school. She`s also the varsity cheerleading coach. The district is sending home this letter to parents stating Jennifer Mally was, in fact, arrested on charges of sexual conduct with a minor, this after rumors reached administrators and police. With Mrs. Mally behind bars and her students talking about the arrest...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My friends don`t believe it, but I just have this feeling that it`s true.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s also married, and that`s just weird for having a teacher and a student. And he`s a minor, also.

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LALAMA: I am Pat Lalama in for Nancy Grace tonight. Now, we`ve shifted to Arizona. This is a really interesting story for a lot of reasons. My understanding is that there are allegedly two victims. And then, about a year ago, she was in trouble with the school because she was inappropriately text messaging yet another student.

Amanda Keim, how are you doing? You are from the "East Valley Tribune," a reporter. What`s with this woman?

AMANDA KEIM, REPORTER, "EAST VALLEY TRIBUNE": Well, Pat, Jennifer Mally is a 26-year-old teacher at Paradise Valley High School in Phoenix. This is her second year teaching at the school. And originally, she was charged with 17 felony counts of sexual misconduct with a student. She allegedly did a text -- or allegedly slept with a 16-year-old sophomore who had been in her English class the year before. And that`s what she`s facing the charges on.

And then, not too long after she was charged in that incident, an 18- year-old student came forward and said that he had slept with this teacher, also.

LALAMA: Right.

KEIM: So she won`t be facing any charges in that case, since the student was 18, but she has pled not guilty to the felony counts of sleeping with the 16-year-old.

LALAMA: It`s definitely not pretty. Nicole Partin, investigative reporter from Atlanta, hi, Nicole, let me ask you a question. Now, am I correct that there are a total of seven teachers and/or coaches and/or administrators in this same district who have all been in trouble for similar reasons in the last year?

NICOLE PARTIN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: That`s absolutely right.

LALAMA: Seven people. Something stinks, OK?

PARTIN: Right.

LALAMA: What in the world is going on in this district?

PARTIN: Well, you know what? We don`t know. But here we have a case of this lady, who as was just stated, has pled not guilty. We`ve got to remember that there is an audiotape recording of a conversation with the teacher and this young 16-year-old victim where she is admitting to the sexual misconduct. Then she goes to court and says, "Not guilty."

LALAMA: Right. And you know what? Donald Schweitzer, a former Santa Ana P.D. detective, you know, my understanding is that the detectives had him, the alleged victim, call her, and that`s where she made the confession, for lack of a better term. There`s [Nothing wrong with that, correct? That`s part of the rules of engagement in cop work?

DONALD SCHWEITZER, FORMER DETECTIVE: In investigating sexual assault cases, this is the norm. Usually, the best evidence that we get is through this type of secret taping. A lot of times we`ll wire a victim, and they`ll meet with the perpetrator in a park, and we`ll get that information. But sometimes this is as good as it gets. Hopefully, in this case, she made some really incriminating statements.

LALAMA: John Burris, defense attorney, do you have a problem with the cops having him call? And the second question I`m going to ask you is that he admits to initiating this. Does it make it any less of a crime?

JOHN BURRIS, FMR. PROSECUTOR, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: No, I don`t think that`s a crime what the police have done, in terms of the investigating tool. I mean, the problem she has, of course, if she made admissions on it, or she tried to get the witness not to be truthful, you run into a lot of different issues for her.

I don`t see that as a problem in as much as they were investigating a particular crime, as opposed to entrapping some person to get them to do a crime they had not already committed and there was no propensity to do that crime. Here we have a situation where an alleged crime has been committed and the officers were, in fact, using that person to see if they can gather more evidence of that crime. So I don`t think a successful effort to suppress that admission would take place, based on what I see now.

LALAMA: Holly Hughes, prosecutor, what do you think about all of this, the fact that the student said that he first didn`t tell the truth, but then he didn`t want to lie to cops, and then he comes and changes his story and says, "Yes, we did, and I initiated it." As a prosecutor, does that make it any less criminal to you?

HOLLY HUGHES, PROSECUTOR: Well, no, Pat, it doesn`t. And you`ve got to remember, the 18-year-old is the one who initially lied and said nothing happened, and then went back and said, you know, I don`t want to lie to the police, so, yes, in fact, we did have sex.

She`s not charged with having sex with him. Speaking specifically about the 16-year-old who says, "Gee, I initiated it," that makes absolutely no difference. She is the adult, for God`s sakes. This is a woman we have entrusted our children to, Pat. She`s college-educated. She`s got a teaching certificate. This isn`t someone with diminished capacity who says, "Well, gee, he came onto me, and I`m a lonely woman, and I didn`t know any better."

This is a married 26-year-old woman who is supposed to be teaching our children and instead she`s going to bed with him. I mean, that is absolutely inexcusable. No, it makes no difference that the young man said he started it. She should have known better.

LALAMA: Owen LaFave, you`re a special guest. I`ve always wanted to talk to you. You`re the ex-husband of Debra LaFave. We all know the story of Debra. You know, I just wonder, is it a shock to your system? I mean, does a spouse have a clue that their partner is having some issues with underage sex? I mean, what were the red flags for you? And what advice do you have for this woman`s husband?

OWEN LAFAVE, EX-HUSBAND OF TEACHER WHO HAD SEX WITH STUDENT: You know, I`ll tell you, the thing that was unique about my circumstance is, obviously, I knew there was something going on, but I had no idea that it involved a student. And it came as a complete shock to me. And my heart really goes out to the husband, because not only are you dealing with the situation of infidelity and broken trust and heartache, but you`re also dealing with the humiliation that the woman she was having her -- excuse me, the person she was having the affair with was a child, and now it`s reached national media attention.

LALAMA: You know, did you want to forgive? Do you want to say, "I don`t believe this, I want to get my wife help and get this behind us," or were you just like done with it the minute you heard about it?

LAFAVE: Well, I think, you know, when it comes to a child, your first impulse is, "It can`t be true."

LALAMA: Right.

LAFAVE: But obviously, you know, for my circumstance, once the details started to come out, which incidentally, the two stories are very similar. You could almost exchange the names.

LALAMA: Exactly.

LAFAVE: And the stories are that similar. You know, once I had gotten the details, at that point in time, I pretty much made up my mind that the relationship was over.

LALAMA: It must be so tough.

And I want to get to you, Patricia, in a second. But, Gloria, what`s wrong with a district where seven adults have been charged with this kind of thing? Is there something in the water? Or does the fish stink from the head, if you know what I mean in that district?

GLORIA ALLRED, ATTORNEY: Well, yes, I think that there is an issue, I think, nationwide. And, by the way, Mr. LaFave said this was an affair. I would differ respectfully with him. It`s not an affair. This is about child sexual abuse, if, in fact, it occurred.

LALAMA: Right. Right.

ALLRED: It wasn`t a relationship; it wasn`t an affair. This is a person who did not respect the boundaries that should exist between a teacher and her student. This is a person who didn`t respect the age difference and her position. She betrayed the trust, if, in fact, she did what`s alleged.

So I do think we have to look at this nationwide. We have to reiterate to teachers what their responsibility is and make sure they know that they will be prosecuted if they betray that trust.

LALAMA: Absolutely. Let`s take a caller, Jean from New Jersey, hi, Jean. You with us?

CALLER: Yes, hi, Pat, thank you for taking my call.

LALAMA: My pleasure. What`s your question?

CALLER: I just want to know, why isn`t there a requirement for teachers to have some type of psychological testing?

LALAMA: I know who`s going to answer that. Clinical psychologist Patricia Saunders, why not?

DR. PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, the reality is, is that psychological testing doesn`t necessarily pick up pedophilia, or the fact that somebody...

LALAMA: That`s true.

SAUNDERS: ... that a man or woman is a sexual predator. The psychological testing, not that refined, and people are going to lie about it.

LALAMA: But are there things we should look for? I mean, you know, you don`t want to unfairly indict someone if they`re not responsible just because they have a weird look on their face. But what should we as parents do? We`ve got seven people in this district who have been in trouble. That`s outrageous to me.

SAUNDERS: Well, my thought is that maybe it`s somewhere out on the pedophilia sexual abusers network, but you can`t tell who a sexual abuser is until they act.

LALAMA: Right, and you don`t want to unfairly accuse.

To tonight`s "Case Alert," the father of cover girl Anna Nicole Smith`s baby girl and only living heir files a nearly $1 million fraud and malpractice lawsuit against his former attorney. Larry Birkhead seeking damages from Debra Opri for allegedly defrauding him out of hundreds of thousands of dollars during the custody battle over baby Dannielynn.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are people, apparently, who make very poor choices in their involvement with students, with other young people. And it`s very unfortunate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Paradise Valley Unified School District is referring to Jennifer Mally`s alleged poor choice to have a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old student.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There were rumors of inappropriate activity, and the principal began looking into that, and then quickly turned that investigation over to the police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mrs. Mally is a married 26-year-old English teacher for the last two years at the school. She`s also the varsity cheerleading coach. The district is sending home this letter to parents stating Jennifer Mally was, in fact, arrested on charges of sexual conduct with a minor. This, after rumors reached administrators and police.

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LALAMA: I`m Pat Lalama in for Nancy Grace tonight.

Owen LaFave, you know, speaking from personal experience for you, did you consider your ex-wife a sick person, an evil person, or both, or neither?

LAFAVE: Yes, I think a sick person. And, actually, I`d like to clarify. Oftentimes -- and I myself are guilty of -- you know, call it relationship or an affair, but, you know, when you get down to it, it`s statutory rape. And any woman who has an interest in a child, I mean, there`s something sick about that individual.

LALAMA: Yes. Patricia Saunders, why are people interested in really young people?

SAUNDERS: Well, that`s what we call pedophilia.

LALAMA: Right. But, I mean, of course, there`s a textbook or 50 of them on why this happens, but is it really that rare for women? We`re hearing more and more about it.

SAUNDERS: No, it`s not that rare. The few studies that are available show that between 10 and 20 percent, closer to 20 percent, of all sexual child sexual predators are women.

LALAMA: That`s shocking.

Gloria Allred, I`m going to ask you. You know, I`ve covered so many of your big cases in L.A. and know where you stand on a lot of issues, but, you know, you talk about the double standard with this, where men are treated one way, women are treated the other. I think there`s a double- double standard in that John and Ken, the two radio guys in L.A. -- you`re probably familiar with them -- I`ve heard them talk about unattractive female pedophiles. And they`ll go, "Ew, that`s pedophilia!" But when the perpetrator is attractive, suddenly it`s not pedophilia, and that the kid must be happy, he`s telling all his friends. Doesn`t that kind of disgust you, that there`s also this other standard based on the looks of the perpetrator?

ALLRED: I do think, Pat, that you have a point, that there often is a double standard. And I call these people who -- if, in fact, they are convicted of charges of sexual misconduct with children -- I call them what they are, which are child molesters. That`s what they are.

And the looks don`t matter. In other words, what the appearance of the perpetrator of the child molestation is, is not what is important, whether they have blonde hair, or they`re brunettes, whether they`re dressed nicely, they`re young, they`re old, male or female. What`s important is, what is the impact on the child? And a 16-year-old boy may think, "Hey, I`m a hero, I`m a big deal to my classmates." But this could have a long-lasting negative impact on him, as well.

LALAMA: It just seems like in this society there still is this standard that, if she`s a hot babe, it`s OK, baby. That`s a great life experience.

John Burris, do you have a problem with that? Do you see that standard? And let me ask you this. Since you thought Paris needed help, do you think these kinds of alleged perpetrators need help or do they need prison?

BURRIS: No, I have to tell you, I`m strongly against this type of conduct, certainly having had children gone through public school systems, and all other kids. I think that we have a public trust -- teachers have a public trust when we put our children there. And if a woman, or a guy, abuses that trust, they have to be punished.

Now, I think you have to send a clear message out to everyone. When you see all this stuff happening with women and men on children, I really am offended by it, because I do think that children are most vulnerable -- they don`t have the ability to make decisions, other than, "This might be fun," or this, that and the other, or girls may be shockingly abused.

LALAMA: But the life-long repercussions...

BURRIS: I really feel very strongly about this issue, so I don`t have a great sympathy. Now, as a defense lawyer, I certainly would try to represent them and see what I could do, in terms of keeping them out of prison. But I recognize, when you cross the moral standards in this country, that you have to be punished for that, because it sends clear messages to others. And we really want to hold people to a strong standard here when you have the public trust at hand.

LALAMA: I`ve always liked you, John Burris. Good integrity.

Amanda Keim, what`s next for Ms. Mally? Is she -- I think she`s on house arrest, or am I mistaken or not?

KEIM: Yes, that`s correct. She was actually placed on administrative leave in the district April 25th, paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation. She`s under house arrest, like you said, and is not allowed to have contact with the students. The next thing we`ll find out is the pretrial court conference scheduled for July 12th.

LALAMA: Oh, very good.

OK, Holly Hughes, prosecutor, do you have any sympathy for these people? Is it a sickness? Do you feel like, you know, something bad happened to them in their childhood and we need to treat it rather than incarcerate?

HUGHES: No, I have no sympathy. These are people who have the public trust, the trust of the parents, the trust of the school board, and they violate that trust. And not just once. I mean, this happened multiple times. This woman is charged with 17 counts.

LALAMA: That`s chronic. It seems chronic.

HUGHES: Exactly. And I`ll tell you what else. She had sex with another student, that 18-year-old. And even though she`s not charged with it, you talk about flawed choicing skills? Boy, this woman is the queen of them. We need to start incarcerating these people, because everybody else that we hear about in the media, they`re getting slaps on the wrist.

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LALAMA: It seems to me -- sorry for interrupting -- but it seems to me a lot of judges are kind of like, "Oh, we`ve got to feel sorry. I`ll give you a chance." This is incurable! It`s incurable.

HUGHES: That`s right.

LALAMA: Melissa from Arkansas, I believe you`re here and you`ve got a question?

CALLER: Yes. I was wondering, what can we as parents do when -- do you know there`s something going on with a teacher and student, has told the school about it, and the school has chosen not to do anything about it?

LALAMA: Good question. Donald Schweitzer, former detective from Santa Ana, California, P.D., what do you recommend?

SCHWEITZER: You`ve got to go straight to the police. If the school is not going to take the appropriate action, you`ve got to go to the police. If the police don`t do anything, you`ve got to go to the media. You`ve got to be very loud and make everybody know what the problem is. Just don`t rely on the school.

LALAMA: Great answer. You can`t be quiet, can you? And a lot of people are afraid. They`re afraid to take on the beast, but we just cannot be.

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LALAMA: I`m Pat Lalama in for Nancy Grace. And what a week in America`s courtrooms! Take a look at the stories and, more important, the people who touched all of our lives.

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NANCY GRACE, CNN HOST: I see people kill when they run through red lights.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not with the statistics you see...

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GRACE: Sta-sta-sta-sta-statistics? B.S.

No, you wait. No, you wait.

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GRACE: No, that is not what I said.

We just heard from Rikki Klieman about...

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GRACE: OK, I`d like to finish. No, no, no, no, no. She was there visiting a friend. We didn`t see her at the bar.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s not even 21 years old. Apparently, her last movie, "Herbie: Fully Loaded," was foreshadowing.

GRACE: Lohan giggling at the end of a public service announcement against drinking and driving. Well, she was wrong. They`ve got plenty to talk about now. Hanging out with your friends, great, but crashing your car, DUIs and alleged cocaine, not so great.

Dad, hey, thanks, Dad. Out to you, Bethany Marshall. With friends like that, who needs enemies? Why is the father making public statements that his daughter is addicted to OxyContin? You know the judge is going to hear that. Why don`t we just give up on cocaine and heroin and porn, too? That`s going to happen everywhere.

She was on a horsie-high. She just loaded up on heroin, according to her. I`m sure she was very compliant. I`m surprised she didn`t just lay down right there on the floor and tell them anything they wanted to know.

What was she, Rip Van Winkle? How long was she asleep? She had to get out of the house, had to go 100 yards, and get into the car.

That doesn`t sound at all in character. OK, Jean, cough it out, right now.

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LALAMA: Go get `em, Nancy.

Tonight, let`s stop to remember Army Private First Class Zachary Gullet, just 20, from Hillsboro, Ohio. A graduate of Ohio University`s police academy, Gullet dreamed of becoming a state trooper and marrying his girlfriend, Karen. A warm friend and little brother to the soldiers. His favorite food, Kentucky Fried Chicken. Gullet leaves behind grieving parents, Colleen and Mike, brothers, Benjamin and Alan. Zachary Gullet, an American hero.

Thank you to all our guests and to you at home, for being with us tonight. I`m Pat Lalama in for Nancy Grace. Nancy, I`m honored, as always. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. sharp Eastern, and have a great evening.

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