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Missing Mom: FBI Searched Dad's House
Aired June 20, 2007 - 21:00 ET
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, another search of the Ohio home of the missing pregnant mom's policeman boyfriend. The FBI says it suspects foul play and offers a $10,000 reward for info on Jessie Davis, nine months pregnant, missing since last week, her 2-year-old son left home alone.
Is there a connection to the abandoned day-old baby found Monday in the next county?
As we await DNA test results, the woman who discovered that newborn girl in the basket on her back porch tells us her story.
It's all next on LARRY KING LIVE.
We've got full coverage of this seemingly ever breaking story.
In Canton, Ohio is David Mattingly, CNN's national correspondent. And Todd Porter, a reporter with "The Canton Repository," who talked yesterday and again today with Bobby Cutts, Jr. The Canton police officer who is the father of the missing woman's child.
David Mattingly, what's the latest?
DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Larry, we just watched about a four -and-a-half search of Mr. Cutts' home. He is the man who is the -- says he is the father of both the children, the 2-year-old son, and of the unborn child in this case.
Police and deputies and FBI went to the home. They went inside. There was a very large evidence vehicle parked out front. They blocked off the street on either end and for about four hours, four-and-a-half hours, they went inside. They were -- brought out probably about 15 to 20 document boxes. We don't know what was inside. They brought out about three or four extremely large plastic bags. Again, they were black. You couldn't see inside them, so we don't know what they were collecting in there.
All the while, about 15 members of Cutts' family and friends were outside. They weren't talking. One person, when we approached them, said, "Just pray for -- for what is going on."
But other than that, they had nothing to say. When it was over, all of them went back inside the house. There was no comment from authorities. This is the third time they have been to that property, twice now that they've searched the house and once that they've searched one of his vehicles -- Larry.
KING: Todd Porter, how did you get to talk to Bobby Cutts again today?
TODD PORTER, "CANTON REPOSITORY" REPORTER, INTERVIEWED FATHER OF MISSING MOM'S SON: I phoned in. It was a brief conversation. I knew that he was going to speak with the FBI at an undisclosed location earlier in the day and I wanted to see how -- just what his mannerisms were, the tone of his voice was following the press conference here, back here at the Stark County Sheriff's Department.
But that was well before -- that was well before this four-and-a- half hour search had taken place. So I'm quite certain that -- that his wife, or at least his feelings, are back to where they were yesterday.
KING: And what about -- you talked with his mother, as well.
What did she say?
T. PORTER: I talked with his mother Renee. She said that they took -- they seized both of his cell phones, that they were looking for a third cell phone. They were looking for a quilt. And, obviously, they were looking for many other things, based on the quantity of things that were taken out of the house.
KING: Did they do anything like a swab, a DNA swab, anything like fingerprinting, to your knowledge?
T. PORTER: Yes, according to Renee, his mother, he was fingerprinted. They took DNA swabs again from him, today before this search. He was read his Miranda rights, but he was not arrested. He was not taken into custody and he was not taken out of the house.
KING: Now, Todd, we, of course, cannot verify that and this is three way, because it's his mother to you to us. But have you ever...
T. PORTER: Well, his -- his mother...
KING: ... heard of...
T. PORTER: Larry, his mother was in the home when the
KING: I understand that.
T. PORTER: ... when the FBI and police arrived.
KING: But have you ever heard of Miranda rights being given without an arrest?
T. PORTER: Well, I have not heard of that. But I think in a case of this nature, if he were to say something during this search, I'm certain that they would want that to be admissible and would leave no stone unturned in the search.
KING: David Mattingly, have you ever heard of Miranda rights being given without an arrest?
MATTINGLY: Not in my experience, Larry. But we did contact the FBI here in Ohio. And a spokesman for the FBI, just a few moments ago, told us a second time that there is no arrest in this case so far. So, again, very unusual that we would hear of Miranda rights being read in a case like this without an arrest. But so far the FBI is telling us here in Ohio that there is no arrest in this case.
KING: We understand that Patty Porter is with us, the missing woman's mother, the mother of Jessie Davis.
Are you there, Patty?
PATTY PORTER, MOTHER OF MISSING PREGNANT MOM JESSIE DAVIS: Yes, I'm here.
KING: Have -- have they given you any leads at all?
Have police told you anything that could help?
P. PORTER: No. We haven't -- I know they have a lot of leads they're following. But they're just continuing to investigate and follow up on all the leads.
KING: What do you make -- how well do you know Bobby Cutts?
P. PORTER: I know Bobby Cutts from, you know, picking up and taking my grandson. We've spent some -- I've spent some time with him in Jessie's when he would come to visit Blake. But he's talked to me, not at length, just about Blake. But I've never really -- I really don't know him as far as having a relationship with him.
KING: But you know he's the father of your grandson?
P. PORTER: Absolutely he's the father of my grandson.
Is he the father, also, of the child due to your daughter?
P. PORTER: Absolutely, he's the father of Chloe.
KING: So he's the father of Chloe, who might well be born or not born yet, we don't know?
P. PORTER: Yes.
KING: What do you make of all this surrounding Cutts -- the search of the house, the four hour search, the reports of fingerprinting and the like?
Does that give you grave suspicion here?
P. PORTER: It's -- it's a very emotional roller coaster feeling for me because he is my grandson's father and I'm glad that they're doing what they're doing. I -- I want every -- every stone unturned and I want the truth to come out. More than anything I want the truth.
KING: Of course.
Did your daughter ever tell you about any problems with him of a violent nature?
P. PORTER: Absolutely nothing of a violent nature.
KING: Did she describe about having a relationship with someone who is married?
P. PORTER: Yes.
KING: And how was she handling that?
P. PORTER: It was a complicated relationship. It was on and off on -- on both sides a lot.
KING: Are you fearing the worst, Patty?
P. PORTER: I am. I can't help but fear the worst. It's been a week today. It'll be a week -- this evening at around 9:30, it will be a week since I've spoke to her. And it -- it is not looking good. But I just -- I'm hoping and praying for the best. I just want to find my daughter.
KING: The last time you spoke to her, what was her mood?
P. PORTER: She was so excited about Chloe. She was -- we had had the baby shower on Sunday and she was, you know, it's that high anxiety feeling right before, you know, that that child that you've carried around for nine months is there and you're -- you're ready to see that precious little face.
KING: Hang with us, Patty.
Don't go away. We -- you have the sympathy of everyone watching.
There will be more guests ahead.
We're devoting the full hour to this.
Don't go away.
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C. FRANK FIGLUZZI, FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: Early in an investigation no one is ruled out. Associates are assessed and it's too early in this stage of this investigation to say that we've ruled out anybody or that we've developed a suspect.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: We're back.
Patty Porter, the mother of the missing girl, is with us and she'll be with us for a few more moments and then our panel will assemble.
What was your relationship with Bobby?
P. PORTER: My relationship?
I mean, how did you get along?
Did you see him?
P. PORTER: With Bobby?
P. PORTER: I would see him when he came to pick up my grandson or bring him home. When he was first born, he used to come to my daughter's apartment and we would be there and some of her siblings would be there. And we knew Bobby just to talk to him while he was there to visit Blake. But other than that, I really didn't have a relationship with him.
KING: Was he nice to you?
P. PORTER: Yes. He's always been very nice to me.
KING: Did you ever inquire of your daughter or him about him being married?
I mean, did you ever, as a mother, say what's going to happen here?
P. PORTER: Yes.
KING: And what did they say?
P. PORTER: Over and over...
P. PORTER: I -- it was very complicated. It was a very complicated relationship for all of them. And once Blake was born, it was even more complicated.
KING: Did Bobby intend to divorce his wife and marry your daughter?
P. PORTER: I don't think either of them ever discussed that. I know that his wife...
KING: Really? P. PORTER: No.
I know his wife left when she found out Blake -- or Jessie was pregnant again. But I -- as to what they had planned on doing, I don't know.
KING: So he is living by himself, to your knowledge?
P. PORTER: I don't know who he's living with right now.
KING: But the wife -- according to you, the wife left him?
P. PORTER: The wife -- Kelly was living with her parents. I don't know if she's with him now. I don't know their living situation right now.
KING: You discovered the ransacked house, right?
P. PORTER: Yes.
KING: What led you to go over there?
P. PORTER: We didn't hear from her on Thursday and we thought that Blake was with Bobby. So, you know, I just figured my daughter was taking some time to, you know, just relax. She was at work. She would have been at work until probably close to 6:00.
A couple of times we tried to call and there was, you know, it went right to voice mail, which was odd, that she had the phone off. And then in the evening, my daughter and I both thought it odd that she wasn't answering. But she had been so tired. And I said well, maybe she just went to bed early, you know, after Blake came home. And so I went to bed and I, you know, on Wednesday -- or on Thursday morning -- Friday morning, I'm sorry. Sometimes it's -- the days get very confusing.
On Friday morning, I called her at 6:30, which was normal. She set two alarm clocks. One is a backup so she wouldn't be late for work. And I called her -- I always called her at 6:30. And I was, you know, a little bit upset. And I said, you know, if you're in the shower, whatever, the moment you get out, call me because I'm starting to become very concerned about you.
And then I gave I gave myself, I said, until 7:00, because that was the time that she normally dropped Blake off. And at 7:00 she wasn't there and my daughter and I immediately got in the car and went over there.
KING: And what happened?
What did you -- what did you see?
P. PORTER: Well, when we pulled up, my daughter said I'll go to the front, you go to the back. So I went to the back door and the sliding door was halfway open and the glass door was shut. But it was unlocked. So I opened the door up and I said, "Hello, where are you guys?"
And as I walked through, I noticed that her purse was dumped out all over the floor. And Blake had come running down to me and I could smell him as he came, because he had gone to the bathroom in his diaper. But the whole downstairs really smelled like that. And I said, "Blakey, Blakey, where's mommy?"
And he just -- he said, "Mommy broke the table and mommy's crying."
So I ran upstairs -- well, first I opened the front door, because my other daughter was at the door waiting to get in. And I ran upstairs, you know, thinking maybe my daughter was sick and had passed out. And I looked in the bathroom that's at the top of her stairs, and the bathroom was all neat, everything in order. And as I turned the corner and went to walk into her room, I -- the moment I stood in the doorway, I knew something horrible had happened.
KING: Did the boy said -- did the little boy say anything else?
P. PORTER: Later on he said, "Mommy's in the rug."
KING: And the room...
P. PORTER: He's been very consistent about...
KING: Her room was all ransacked?
P. PORTER: Her room -- she had white sheets and then she had a dark burgundy color and gold comforter. There was -- the bottom sheet was on the bed. It was white. The comforter was gone. The mattress was partially shoved off and the end table was off and the lamp was knocked over and someone had poured bleach all over the floor.
KING: Did you -- you didn't see any signs of blood or anything?
P. PORTER: No.
KING: What did you think?
P. PORTER: I thought someone had taken my daughter.
KING: No thought as to who?
P. PORTER: No thought as to who at all.
KING: We'll be right back.
Patty, you remain with us.
We'll be back.
And our panel will join us.
Don't go away.
KING: Todd Porter remains with us, the reporter with "The Canton Repository."
Patty Porter remains with us, the mother of our missing lady, who is now gone a week.
Joining us now, Candice DeLong, the former FBI profiler; Dr. Cyril Wecht, the former coroner of Allegheny County; Michael Cardoza, the high profile defense attorney, a frequent guest on cases like Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson; and Judge Jeanine Pirro, the former district attorney for Westchester County, a former county judge, domestic violence her expertise.
Michael Cardoza, have you ever heard of the Miranda rights given without an arrest?
MICHAEL CARDOZA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, usually people are in custody when they do that. So you're implying that they are usually under arrest and that's what I have found throughout most of my career. There have been very, very few exceptions where they will Mirandize somebody without bringing them into custody, bringing them to the police station, in the hopes that they're going to get some sort of statement out of them during their investigation.
I'll tell you, Larry, what this tells me is if you look at the investigation as a broad beam of light, this light is beginning to narrow, almost laser beam like, and it's pointing right to Bobby Cutts.
KING: All right.
Judge Pirro, what's your experience with Miranda and non-arrest?
JUDGE JEANINE PIRRO, FORMER D.A. WESTCHESTER COUNTY, NEW YORK: Well, generally, Larry, Miranda rights are given when someone is in custody and under arrest. But what we've seen, with the courts becoming more and more liberal in their interpretation, we've seen police departments advise individuals of their Miranda rights when there is some possible belief down the road that this person might be considered a suspect.
And so what they do is they prophylactically advise someone of these rights to preserve whatever statement might be given so that it's not thrown out. It's an extra protection. But it was initiated originally by the Supreme Court for someone who is in custody and generally under arrest.
KING: Patty, honestly, are you growing at all suspicious about Bobby Cutts?
P. PORTER: Bobby Cutts is my son's -- my grandson's father. This is the most painful part of this whole thing for me, is that I pray every day that it's not Bobby Cutts. This is my prayer, that it is not him. I want it to be someone that doesn't even know us.
KING: Do you have any hopes that your daughter might be living?
P. PORTER: I can't even speak that right now.
KING: Yes. I understand.
Candice DeLong, you're a profiler, what do you make of all of this?
CANDICE DELONG, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, as much as I understand how painful this is for Patty, and her statement that she hopes that it's someone totally unknown to -- to the family and to Jessie, I think that's rather unlikely that that is the case. There's so many things about this situation that point to what I believe is going to turn out to be that she was killed by someone that knows her.
DELONG: Well, a number of things. For one thing, when -- when strangers go into a woman's home to do her harm or a robber, a burglar goes in, they don't generally take the -- anyone out of the home. Then we have the statements of the 2-year-old indicating that what I think would lead a logical person to believe that there was some kind of struggle. And then we have the missing bedspread and the missing mom, a mom who was pregnant.
DELONG: Then we've got the bleach on the floor and her -- she -- she is nowhere to -- we don't know where she is. I think it's rather doubtful that it's going to come back that the baby that was put on the doorstep was Jessie's baby.
KING: All right, Dr. Wecht, what are we looking for forensically?
What were they doing for four-and-a-half hours today?
DR. CYRIL WECHT, FORMER CORONER, ALLEGHENY COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA: Well, let me remind everybody that about 100 black plastic bags were removed from the Scott Peterson home and there was not one bit -- not zilch, zero, zip piece of evidence. So the bit -- the removal -- this is the FBI's approach. This is the way they do it. They overwhelm you.
Number two, the 2-year-old boy knows his daddy. I haven't heard from anybody that he has made any reference to da-da, daddy or whatever he calls daddy. It's very significant.
Number three, looking for DNA and other evidence is meaningless. Not only do you have them in each other's home, but you've got transference from the boy, Blake. So that is going to be absolutely meaningless.
And the other thing is that if the baby is a day-old baby -- and we've been told that by a physician who examined the baby -- and the young lady went missing, what is it, Thursday night or so on, then, allowing even for a day's error in calculation and estimation, you still have a baby that is born three or four days. That is the greatest sign of hope at all, of course, that the lady obviously was alive for a while. She could not have had a baby removed viably if she was dead.
So these are the things, you know, to keep in mind.
And the fact that you've got this umbilical cord tied off, clearly, somebody wanted to save this baby, placing the baby on the doorstep of a nurse, not just anybody's home.
And I agree that this is almost certainly going to turn out to be somebody who knows this young lady. There's no question about it.
KING: Yes, Patty, to your -- Patty Porter, to your knowledge, have the investigators talked with Blake?
P. PORTER: Yes. Blake has -- not those investigators, but by a special children's -- a person who questions children.
KING: Were you there at that questioning?
P. PORTER: No.
KING: Did they...
P. PORTER: And we don't question Blake at all.
KING: Is it true -- did they ask you not to question Blake?
P. PORTER: Right. We don't question Blake at all.
KING: Why is that, Jeanine?
PIRRO: The reason, Larry, that they've asked Patty not to question Blake is to make sure that they don't create a false memory. Remember, Larry, that children can be influenced. And a child cannot attack the premise of a question. Therefore, if someone says to a child, "Did it happen with the right hand or the left?," the child isn't necessarily -- especially at the age of 2, 2 -and-a-half, able to say well it wasn't with the hand that it was done. They would just answer one way or the other.
PIRRO: The police are handling this perfectly, Larry. They're telling everybody not to speak to Blake. You don't want to create a -- a false memory. You want the child to spontaneously say something so that that evidence can lead to further evidence.
And I've got to tell you something, that -- that clearly, when the baby -- when Blake said, "Mommy's in the rug," I am sure someone -- and probably in a way that's involved in play therapy -- somebody asked who was there when mommy was in the rug. And I would suspect that Blake would be able to identify the person if he knew the person.
Because we haven't heard that he identified someone doesn't mean that he didn't say something.
PIRRO: But in the interim, we're protecting the testimony of this child.
KING: We're going to take a break.
When we come back, we'll ask Todd Porter if, when he spoke to Bobby Cutts today, what was his mood.
We'll also talk with Sue Redman, the lady who found the baby on her porch, that 1-day-old baby. She's the nurse.
Don't go away.
KING: We'll be meeting Sue Redman in a little while and we'll talk to Patty in a moment.
Todd Porter, you spoke with Bobby Cutts earlier today, spoke with him before they went through that four-and-a-half hour search. What was his demeanor?
T. PORTER: His demeanor today -- I thought the tone of his voice was better than it was 24 hours ago when I spoke with him. I asked him if he was sleeping any better, if he had gotten any more rest. And he said, yes, he was sleeping a little bit better.
But, Larry, I cannot imagine this guy who was termed an associate by authorities a day ago can still be termed an associate in this case and not at least not a person of interest now although they have not termed him a suspect. They have not said that he is a person of interest, but when you search somebody's house for four, four-and-a- half hours, I think you're a little bit more than an associate in this case.
KING: What do they mean by associate?
T. PORTER: Everybody that they have referred to has been referred to so far as an associate most likely not to cast aspersion on anybody in this case so far.
KING: Thanks, Todd. We'll check back with you, don't go away.
Patty, how involved in Jessie's life was Bobby?
P. PORTER: I know that Jessie spoke to him on a daily basis. It was just a very complicated and strange relationship.
KING: Was it a long relationship?
P. PORTER: Yes, probably at least four years.
KING: Did they ever live together? P. PORTER: No.
KING: Would you say your daughter was in love with him?
P. PORTER: Absolutely.
KING: So they were in frequent contact?
P. PORTER: Yes.
KING: Was he a good father to Blake?
P. PORTER: Yes, he was a good father to Blake.
KING: And Blake loved his father?
P. PORTER: Yes.
KING: Did bobby ever raise any concerns with Jessie or with you about being a father again?
P. PORTER: I think I'd rather not comment on that.
KING: Do you mean there were some concerns? That's important.
P. PORTER: I know, but I'd just rather not comment on that.
KING: All right, so what can we say tonight in closing, Patty, and we'll let you get some rest. What are your hopes? What are your thoughts?
P. PORTER: My hopes are that we just find my daughter. My grandson misses her. He says he misses his mommy. This is such a tragedy for everybody, for every family that's involved most of all for my grandson. He loves his mother so much, and I just pray that we find her soon.
KING: Who is taking care of him?
P. PORTER: Our family. We -- his -- I have three other daughters, and we just revolve him, but he's staying with me.
KING: So he'll be at your house tonight?
P. PORTER: Yes.
KING: Does he ask for Bobby?
P. PORTER: No. Right now -- well, Blake has always carried around a little green truck and he calls daddy's truck and he hangs on to that all the time. But he's very much a Mamma's boy. And he asks for my daughter all the time. He rubs the television and says...
KING: Yes. We'll ask it of the panel and I'll ask it of you, too. If Bobby was the person in the house that day, wouldn't Blake have said so? P. PORTER: I don't know. I really don't know.
KING: It seems logical.
P. PORTER: I think Blake has been -- well, he's been severely traumatized.
KING: Yes, we understand it all. Thank you so much, Patty, the best of luck.
P. PORTER: Thank you.
KING: We wish you nothing but the best.
P. PORTER: Thank you so much.
KING: Patty Porter.
One quick thing before we go to break. Isn't that a logical question, Michael Cardoza? If it was Bobby in the house, wouldn't Blake mention it?
CARDOZA: Well, you would certainly think he would have by now. But again, remember, you're dealing with a 2-year-old child. And he may well have said it, Larry, but the police may not be letting it out because I think they know that that evidence will not come into court. He's not old enough to testify in a trial.
As Jeanine said it may lead to other evidence, but what Blake said will not come in. I mean there may be a legal war over that, but it's my legal opinion Blake certainly will not be able to testify. So his statement of who was there will not come into evidence.
KING: When we come back, Sue Redman will be with us, the lady who found the abandoned baby on her porch; also Tim Miller, the Equusearch director who met with the family of Jessie Davis today. Don't go away.
KING: Joining us now from Worcester, Ohio is Sue Redman who found an abandoned baby on her porch on Monday night. DNA tests are still underway to determine if there's any connection to the missing pregnant mother. What was that like to open your door?
SUE REDMAN, FOUND ABANDONED DAY-OLD GIRL ON HER PORCH: Well, it was very shocking. I had anticipated finding maybe some farmer's produce in the basket that was at my doorstep. But when I found a sleeping infant, it was a real shock. I asked...
KING: You're a nurse, aren't you?
REDMAN: Yes, I am a nurse.
KING: So what was your immediate thoughts to do, was to care -- what did you do right away? REDMAN: Well, it was 88 degrees out, and I was concerned about how warm this infant would be. So I brought her immediately into our air conditioned home and instructed my husband to call 911 because I knew this was not a legal thing that was going on.
I did not want to handle things in the basket until the deputy sheriff arrived at which point he asked me to undress the baby so we could determine the sex of the baby. And I was confident there would be maybe a note in the basket telling me whose baby it was and what they wanted me to do with it, but there was no note in there.
KING: Was it a girl?
REDMAN: Yes, it was a little girl. Yes. And when I undressed her, this is when I observed a very, very young infant. The umbilical cord was still moist and tied off with a black rubber band and a fresh meconium stool in the diaper. So she was a very, very, very young little girl and beautiful.
KING: And sue, the missing mom story was already big news in Ohio. Did you feel a connection?
REDMAN: Well, not immediately we didn't. The deputy sheriff worked with us for about an hour-and-a-half before one of us brought that incident up and said oh, my gosh, do you suppose it is.
So it was not an instant thought that went through any of our minds. My thought was that it possibly could belong to someone that I know. I have worked in the school system for many years and had close relationships with young gals who trusted me, who had confidence in me. And I kind of assumed maybe it came from one of them. However, at this point I could never say that it wasn't Jessica's baby.
KING: Anything to indicate the baby was of a mixed race?
REDMAN: No, not at this point. The baby is very white. However, I've learned that bi-racial babies and even full African- American babies can be born very, very light. It had no Negroid features. So as far as thinking that it was going to change color, I could not speculate on that.
KING: Where is the baby now, Sue?
REDMAN: The baby remains at Worcester Community Hospital. And it will soon be going into foster care through the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) County Children's Services.
KING: No one has asked or claimed her?
REDMAN: No, no one has come forward.
KING: Do you have any gut feeling about this?
REDMAN: Well, I guess I want -- I want to believe that it's some local gal who has some connection to me. KING: Yes.
REDMAN: But I guess I don't know if I hope it's Jessica's or hope it isn't Jessica's.
KING: I understand.
REDMAN: You know it's -- I don't know which is the best at this point.
KING: It's a Catch-22. Thank you, Sue.
REDMAN: Yes, thank you.
KING: Sue Redman in Worcester, Ohio. Curiouser and curiouser.
Next Tuesday, former Sir Paul McCartney with his fellow former Beatle, Ringo Starr; with John Lennon's widow Yoko Ono; and George Harrison's widow, Olivia Harrison. A historic interview celebrating the one-year anniversary of Cirque du Soleil's Beatles tribute show, "Love." We'll be live on location in Las Vegas next Tuesday, June 26 on LARRY KING LIVE.
KING: Joining us now from canton is Tim Miller, the director of Equusearch. He met with the family of Jessie Davis today. What's your read on all this, Tim?
TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, EQUUSEARCH: Well, you know, when I heard about it in the very beginning, Larry, I thought, you know, it didn't look good. We've been involved in a little over 700 cases and we learn how to read these, you know, pretty much right on anymore. And I didn't like this one from the beginning when we got the phone call yesterday to ask if we could help.
I knew we couldn't turn this family down, so I'm here today. We met with family. We met with law enforcement and kind of got somewhat of a game plan up. I've got more people flying in from Texas. We're bringing in our sonar equipment. We're bringing in our drop-down cameras. We're bringing in our small drone airplane and a lot of other things.
KING: Does it...
MILLER: We're going to be starting to do a search tomorrow, and, you know, I'm -- I don't want to sugarcoat anything. I certainly hope we can bring her home alive, but I don't see that happening.
KING: So it appears fruitless?
MILLER: Well, I mean, our efforts aren't going to be fruitless. We know this for a fact, that, you know, if something did happen to her, the sooner she's found the easier it's going to be able to determine the cause of death. Hopefully there will still be some evidence around her for the, you know, detectives to work with and try to find out who did this and make an arrest on it.
And also, Larry, I know this, too. I think that, you know, my own experience, I know that there's one thing worse than having a murdered child, and that is probably knowing out there someone out there and never being able to say good-bye. So you know if something has happened, this family needs their closure, they need to be able to say their good-byes and have a funeral and somehow or other try to put their lives together.
MILLER: So you know I figure we're going to have a huge turnout on the search. And again after 700 plus searches, we've gotten fairly experienced the in this, and we've had a lot of success. And I made the family -- I made law enforcement a promise today that we're not going to leave until we bring her home.
KING: Tim, you are a special soul. I salute you and thank you for your information. We'll keep in constant touch.
Tim Miller, the search director of Equusearch.
Candice DeLong will be leaving us after this segment, former FBI profiler. From what you gather, from watching the mother, what did you gather?
DELONG: Well, obviously, you know, her heart is breaking and she seems very, very, I think, worried. I was a psychiatric nurse for almost a decade before I went into law enforcement, and I've seen that look before.
Look, this is an intelligent woman. She knows this doesn't look good. There are so many things about in that look bad. And there are so many things about the fact that the mother is -- she's not there. Jessie is not there. A body hasn't been found. That tends to rule out infant or fetal abduction, you know, the cases where we've heard in the past couple of years where a pregnant woman is killed by someone who wants to get her baby. Generally speaking, in those cases the mother body is found very, very quickly, either it happens in the home or close by. That hasn't happened here. So it's -- she looks very worried, and I think that certainly -- I hope it doesn't turn out to be the way that it's looking but...
KING: Yes, not good. Candice, thank you, we'll be calling on you again. Candice DeLong, the former FBI profiler.
We'll be back with Dr. Wecht, Michael Cardoza and Judge Pirro right after these words.
KING: Judge Pirro, do you have any thoughts about Patty Porter?
PIRRO: You know, Larry, I think the most significant thing that Patty said was what she didn't say and that's, Larry, when you asked her the question whether or not Bobby Cutts had expressed any concerns about being a father again. You will recall that he has...
PIRRO: ... this will be his fourth child, one with his married wife, one with another woman and two with Jessie. The fact that that she couldn't answer that question tells me, and I'm sure it sent off alarms in a lot of people's heads, was he concerned about another child, more child support.
But I think, Larry, the most significant thing that happened today was not so much the Miranda Rights or being called an associate, it was the search warrant that was signed by a judge. And in order to get a search warrant, Larry, you need probable cause, and I think that that probable cause affidavit would have tremendous facts in it and would tell us a lot more.
KING: But search warrants don't necessarily lead to the perpetrators.
PIRRO: No, of course not, Larry, but in order to get a search warrant, in order to get a judge to sign, you've got to have probable cause, and there's some probable cause here.
KING: Michael, why do you smile?
CARDOZA: I smile because I've seen a lot of search warrants signed by judges that at times really don't read the search warrant. I mean, they sign it very perfunctorily. I was in court a couple weeks ago doing a preliminary hearing when some officers walked in and asked the judge to sign something. Thirty seconds later, they're walking and I said, "What are you guys doing here?" "Oh, we just had the judge sign this search warrant." Unfortunately, it happens that way sometimes.
PIRRO: I think what's significant is that was the third search of that house and you don't need to be a Supreme Court justice to figure that one out.
CARDOZA: No, I'm not discounting what you're saying, Jeanine. I'm just saying that oven times -- not oftentimes, seldom that happens, but it does happen. And I think the mother knows a lot more than she's saying. And I think the police are keeping a lot to themselves, too, as they rightfully should.
KING: Dr. Wecht, are we going to turn up a lot in this?
WECHT: Well, I hope Jessie Davis is alive. If she has been killed, I hope her body will be found quickly because in the Laci Peterson and Chandra Levi cases, we were unable to come up with absolutely anything at all. DNA plotting that will allow you to make certain examinations, there may be fibers, there may be some material underneath the fingernails. There may be even something about the mechanism of death that will allow the investigators to focus in on the likely perpetrator. So I hope as everybody does that she is alive. And if she isn't, I hope that body will be found quickly.
KING: Quick call from Clovis, California -- hello.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, Larry. I was just wondering if the police have taken any look at the estranged wife of Bobby Cutts. If anyone has a bone to pick with Jessica, I would think it would be her. And I wondered if maybe she could have hired someone to do it if she didn't do it herself.
KING: Is that a thought, judge?
PIRRO: Well, clearly, the police have looked at all of the close potential suspects here. And I don't think there's any question but that they have spoken with her and they tried to find out where she's been in the last few days around the time that Jessie was missing. Clearly, she would be right on that radar screen.
KING: If you killed someone, Dr. Wecht, isn't it hard to get rid of a body or not so hard?
WECHT: Yes, it's not so easily accomplished. And again, I can't help but get back to the matter of his whereabouts, Police Officer Cutts, the use of a patrol car, the absence of any abrasion or marking of any kind on his body and so on. I'm not suggesting that he is not the prime suspect. We all know that. That's common sense. You don't have to be a detective or lawyer to understand that. But I think that so far I'm not aware of anything that they have come up with. And all this business of an FBI search and bags and search warrants and so on, I agree with the defense attorney that's been made. And I'll hearken back to my comment, 100 bags out of Laci Peterson's home came up with zero, so you know don't get excited about that.
KING: Michael, should Bobby be looking for an attorney, criminal attorney, now?
CARDOZA: Oh, I got to tell you, absolutely, innocent or not innocent. As they say, he should lawyer up right now. I mean, yes, yes, yes, and he should keep his mouth shut, too. I can't believe that he's doing interviews with people.
It harkens back to Scott Peterson. A lot of how he was convicted came out of his own mouth and his own attitude. So you know, I've got to think, Bobby, be quiet in this case, let the case work out. And it also tells me -- I can only imagine they looked at the ex-wife like the caller says, but something tells me that little boy has given them information that we don't know about. The police know that that pit of evidence or who was in there cannot come into evidence so they are looking for other stuff.
KING: Jeanine, we've only got 30 -- go ahead, Jeanine.
PIRRO: You have Equusearch coming up from Texas to look for Jessie. And I read an article today written by Todd and he said that Bobby Cutts is a prisoner in his own home. If somebody can come from Texas to look for Jessie Davis, why isn't Bobby Cutts out there looking for his wife?
KING: Thank you all very much.
And by the way...
KING: By the way, thank you all. Equusearch is asking any volunteers to come tomorrow morning at 8:30 a.m. to the Greentown Fire Department in Uniontown, Ohio. That's right near where Jessie lives. They need volunteers, Uniontown, Ohio, 8:30 a.m. tomorrow morning at the Greentown Fire Department.
Tomorrow night's guest is comedian Kathy Griffin.
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