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CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Diana: 10 Years Later
Aired August 31, 2007 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM BBC)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Diana, Princess of Wales, has died after a car crash in Paris.
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KING: Ten years ago, today, the world in shock. The blvd people's princess was dead and gone so young. Now, those who were there take us through her final days. And the first doctor to give Diana aid at the crash scene takes you back to that tragic night in Paris, next on LARRY KING LIVE.
A quick note on another topic before we start our coverage of the anniversary of Princess Diana' death.
Idaho Senator Larry Craig is making a big announcement tomorrow. CNN has confirmed that he plans to resign at a morning news conference. This comes just days after initial reports that Senator Craig was arrested in a bathroom sex sting in a Minnesota airport.
Therefore, we will be live tomorrow night at 9:00 Eastern with special coverage of his announcement and the fallout from it.
Now on to the anniversary of a tragedy that touched the world.
Today marked 10 years since Britain's Princess Di died after a Paris car crash. Before we introduce my guests for tonight, take a look at some of the warm words of Diana's youngest son at a memorial today in London.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM MEMORIAL SERVICE)
PRINCE HARRY: But what is far more important to us now and into the future is that we remember our mother as she would have wished to be remembered, as she was -- fun-loving, generous, down to earth and entirely genuine.
We both think of her every day. We speak about her and lock together all the memories.
But put simply, she made all of us and so many other people happy. May this be the way that she is remembered. (END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We begin with outstanding -- by the way, we'll have outstanding panelists throughout the show.
In London is Richard Quest, CNN reporter who covered the Diana memorial service all day today.
And in Paris is Robert Lacey, the royal biographer and royal consultant for "Good Morning America". He watched today's tribute televised in Britain. He was also a consultant for the Oscar-winning movie, "The Queen".
Tonight he's in Paris, where earlier this week, he put together a video tour of Princess Diana and Dodi Al-Fayed's last hours together. We'll see parts of that in the next segment.
Why, Richard Quest, did the younger son officiate?
RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think the reason that it fell to Prince Harry -- or Prince Henry, to give you the official title -- made the address that was so heartfelt and so warming as we just heard, Larry, I think the reason was because William has to be seen to be not one stage removed. That little bit of formality that is always there with the royal family, that makes the likes of you and I wonder, are they not human after all?
Can they not at least show a little bit of emotion?
Well, you know the phrase the heir and the spare. William is the heir. Harry is his spare. So it became much more appropriate, in a sense.
And, of course, Harry's personality is much more bubbly. He's much more off the cuff. He's much more loud, if you like. He did the job spectacularly.
And, Larry, of course, have been witness to so many royal events, you know -- like myself -- the marvelous thing about these royal events is you trudge through weeks and months and years of drudgery, and then every now and again you get this sparkle that you just see something unusual. And you know you're going to be talking about it for years to come.
Earl Spencer at the funeral and today with Harry at his mother's memorial service.
KING: Robert Lacey, would you agree?
Was this is a crowning day?
ROBERT LACEY, BEST-SELLING ROYALS BIOGRAPHER: Yes. And the wonderful thing about it was, there was somehow something of Diana about the way in which he communicated emotion. That's what historians are going to look back on about the Diana years, that she made the British royal family fun, glamorous, human, at a time when, you know, dear Elizabeth, God bless her, is a little bit stodgy. And here we heard in the pulpit words like love, affection, laughter delivered perfectly naturally in a very warm fashion.
And I think those two boys today have taken a big step forward in the national affection.
To strike a slightly negative note, the whole affair was rather messed up by misjudgments on Charles' part and it's one more...
KING: What do you mean?
LACEY: Well, you know, his decision to insist that Camilla should be there, which was only rescinded a few days ago, shows, yet again, I mean I think dear old Diana up there would be looking down and saying, you know, once again he can't get his priorities right. A ceremony for Diana and he was insisting that Camilla should be there.
And it was really saved, as Richard was saying, by the performance of the boys today, and particularly Prince Harry.
KING: Richard, was Camilla correct in not attending?
QUEST: Absolutely. No question about it. And what I think is really interesting about what Robert has just said is that the lessons were not learned. Ten years ago, virtually, the Queen stood in front of the nation and said lessons will be learned.
Well, I think it's a justifiable question to say what lessons were learned if, on the memorial service of Diana, the woman who -- rightly or wrongly -- was accused of being the adulteress who broke down the marriage, was invited?
It would have been a travesty, Larry.
I mean I know, as a CNN correspondent, I'm not supposed to give opinions. But let me come off the fence, if I may, and say that having watched today...
KING: Go ahead.
QUEST: ...having watched today's service, Larry, if Camilla had been there when the boys were speaking, if Camilla had been there when the bishop of London said enough is enough on the speculation of her death, frankly our stomachs would have churned.
KING: How did the average Brit react to this today, Robert?
Was this a big event throughout Britain or another day?
LACEY: Well, the two main channels carried it. The striking thing was that there was only a small crowd outside. Quite a lot of Americans seemed to be there. No television monitors outside, as there were so memorably 10 years ago, when the applause from outside swamped into the Abbey.
One of the interesting things, of course, is that Harry looks rather like his Uncle Spencer, the red hair and all that sort of thing. And whereas Spencer delivered a divisive message 10 years ago, suggesting that these boys were going to go off in a different direction, here was Harry, the perfect gentleman; but, also, healing the occasion very well.
But when he finished speaking, there was just a smatter of applause outside and there was no walkabout afterwards by the royals, either.
KING: Is Charles going to be king, Richard?
QUEST: Oh, yes. I mean you have to understand one fundamental point. The nature of monarchy is that the elder son takes over. You don't pick and choose your monarchs like your presidents. And once you accept that basic premise, it follows that Charles will take the crown. That is unless illness or otherwise.
This man has been groomed all his life. This is what he has worked for all his life. And maybe Robert might disagree with me, but I cannot see circumstances now that would prevent Charles from taking the throne when his mother passes.
KING: I've got...
KING: We'll ask Robert.
I've got to take a break.
When we come back, Robert Lacey will retrace Diana's movements that deadly night on the streets of Paris. And we'll hear more about Diana's controversial life from an author of the major best-seller who wrote the book on her, Tina Brown.
As we go to break, more of Harry's touching words at today's memorial.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM MEMORIAL SERVICE)
PRINCE HARRY: Laughter, fun and folly -- she was our guardian, friend and protector. She never once allowed her unfaltering love for us to go unspoken or undemonstrated. She will always be remembered for her amazing public works. But behind the media glare, to us, just two loving children, she was quite simply the best mother in the world.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are gathered here to remember with love and gratitude, Diana, Princess of Wales.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I pray that according to the riches of his glory, he may grant that you may be strengthened in your inner being with power through his spirit. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let this service mark the point at which we let her rest in peace.
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KING: Joining our panel of Richard Quest in London and Robert Lacey in Paris is Tina Brown, the author of "The Diana Chronicles," former editor of "The New Yorker," a good friend. Always good to see her. And we'll bring Tina into the conversation in a moment.
Earlier this week, Robert Lacey took a CNN crew around the streets of Paris, tracing the last hours of Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed's lives.
Let's take a look.
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LACEY: I've come back to Paris 10 years after the Princess of Wales died to see what happened in her final hours.
They started here in the Place Vendome, which, until August 1997, was famous for this column, which was built from the kylon (ph) that Napoleon captured in one of his victories.
But that all changed on the night of August 30th, 1997, because now the Place Vendome is famous as the spot from which the Princess of Wales began her final journey from The Ritz Hotel.
The Ritz Restaurant was where they had their final meal. It was rather a mixed up evening. Diana looked really distraught, said someone who saw her.
And then they left.
One of the mysteries of that night is why they didn't stay in The Ritz. They were safe here. This was his father's territory, his father's fortress. They had the imperial suite booked for them, reserved for them. But for reasons we don't know, and all the police inquiries haven't revealed, they decided to -- to go out and try and fight their way back through the traffic of Paris to get back to Dodi's flat, where they had started that evening.
This is the very back door, The Ritz Club, from which they emerged hoping to fool everyone. But one or two of the paparazzi -- who were, of course, not on foot. They had motor bikes. They could drive faster than the Mercedes. One or two of them saw what was going on, called out and the others joined in.
As the Mercedes came down here from the Rue Camembert into the Rue de Rivoli, which is one of the chicest, smartest streets in all of Paris, the paparazzi came out of the corner and the Mercedes headed to the Place de la Concorde.
Coming around the Place de la Concorde, Henri Paul speeded up. He was now getting in the open. The paparazzi must have been close to them on their motor bikes, coming up alongside the car, taking pictures through the windows, disconcerting Diana, but, more particularly, Dodi.
He came down toward the River Seine, swung around to the right onto one of the highways running along the side of the river and started to speed up the Mercedes.
And by now Henri Paul was really steaming. He had the chance of turning up right. That would have been the quickest way to get back to the flat. But that would have involved winding streets again, and he wanted to show that he could throw off the pursuing photographers.
And so now here we're approaching the Alma Bridge, where Diana was to die.
Something happened here, as he entered the Alma Bridge, which is a matter of controversy to this day, that the car turned and skidded. We can see that Henri Paul put the brakes on. It spun around and it hit here -- the 13th pillar, the unlucky 13th pillar under the Bridge of the Alma.
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KING: Excellent report.
Tina Brown, why didn't they stay at The Ritz that night?
TINA BROWN, BEST-SELLING AUTHOR, "THE DIANA CHRONICLES": I spoke to Dodi's uncle, Hassan Yassin, who was in the hotel that night and had arranged to have a drink with Dodi and Diana. And he said, you know, himself, he said if I had been Dodi, I would have taken her to the jungle, not to The Ritz.
So I said well, why did you think that he took her there?
And he said they had the publicity bug, both of them.
It's a sad judgment, but the truth is that there was that great mix in Diana. There was this fatal attraction she did have for the media. On the one hand, she was fleeing them. On the other hand, there was a part of her that did want to have those photographs in the paper the next day.
KING: So she kind of liked them chasing her?
BROWN: She didn't like them chasing her, but she liked the pictures when she wanted the pictures. And this was the big problem with press. You know, you can't open that Pandora's box and then have them go back when you want it. The truth is, they should have stayed home and ordered up, that's what they should have done.
Richard Quest will be...
BROWN: But they...
KING: Richard Quest will be leaving us.
Hold, it Tina.
Will Diana be long remembered?
QUEST: No question. She is part of the fabric of the United Kingdom. She's part of the fabric of the world now. Whether the same intensity, whether the same level of interest, well, of course, that will diminish over the years.
But the fact is that the Princess of Wales will be always, and to some extent -- she'll always be one of those people, that by putting her picture on your magazine, in your newspaper, you will sell more copies. And until the final speculation about the exact cause of death and the circumstances is put to rest, then I'm afraid that the speculation will just continue.
KING: I'm told now that Richard will be with us, even though he is not listed with us.
However, Richard, you can be always be with us, listed or not.
Imagine being one of the first people on the accident scene helping treat a fatally injured woman and finding out the next day who she was. We'll hear what that was like when we talk to the first doctor to work on Diana at the crash scene, next.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Britain's Princess Diana has been seriously injured in an automobile accident.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It occurred after midnight Paris time in a tunnel near the...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She complained continually about the press and actually had been forced into side streets...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As we understand it, Princess Diana has been taken to an area hospital.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We still have no word, no official reaction from Buckingham Palace.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The car, the front of it is totally smashed in.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Diana, the Princess of Wales has died at the age of 36.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM BBC)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is BBC television from London.
Diana, Princess of Wales, has died after a car crash in Paris.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think I'll believe that Diana is dead until I see the cortege go by.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was just so lovely. (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's touched everybody's hearts.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We've now got to get on with life. And I think the Princess of Wales would want everyone to carry on.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We're back now, joined by Dr. Frederic Maillez.
He gave first aid to Princess Diana moments after the crash.
Doctor, where were you?
DR. FREDERIC MAILLEZ, IN TUNNEL AFTER CRASH, GAVE DIANA FIRST AID: I was coming back from a birthday party and with my friend Mark. We passed by the tunnel De l'Alma and we saw the wreckage. We saw the Mercedes and the accident just happened, obviously, because the smoke was all still on the air. The clockson (ph) was still working and nobody was around the wreckage.
So, obviously, the accident just happened, around 30 seconds after the accident.
KING: Did you treat her first?
MAILLEZ: I first made a medical assessment, because there were four victims. So I did a very quick medical assessment and I phoned the emergency services to say -- to tell them exact location of the accident and how many victims were in the car, what condition they were and how many. I asked for the ambulances and the equipment necessary for this kind of situation.
KING: Now you did not know it was Princess Di, nor did you know until the next day.
But did you know that this accident was fatal?
MAILLEZ: You know, I learned the next morning. When I turned on CNN I learned that she was dead and she died from an internal hemorrhage. Internal hemorrhage, that means it's internal. And that means you cannot see it from outside. And when I was treating her, during the first minutes, I wasn't aware of this internal hemorrhage.
So when I left the scene, I felt -- stupidly, I felt that maybe she could make it.
KING: Did she make any sounds at all?
MAILLEZ: First when I arrived, she wasn't conscious and she had difficulty breathing. So I helped her to breathe with my respiratory bag. Little by little, she reacted a little bit more. But she didn't speak at all. She was still -- she remained unconscious.
KING: Was her face injured?
MAILLEZ: Her face was not injured. And I really remember seeing a beautiful woman. I was quite surprised to have in my hands -- when I left her head to help her breathing -- I was discovered to surprised to discover a beautiful face, a sophisticated lady. And I really -- I know it may be surprising, but I really remember her as a peaceful face. And she was like sleeping. And she didn't show any suffer or any pain.
KING: Did you look after the companion sitting next to her, Dodi Al-Fayed?
MAILLEZ: He was obviously dead. He died immediately after the accident.
KING: Were paparazzi around taking pictures?
MAILLEZ: I realized -- I was inside the car to have better access to the face of the young lady. And I realized there were a lot of flash, a lot of pictures taken. And there were at love a lot of people close to the wreckage.
But at no point did they hamper me doing my job. I don't have any complaint against the paparazzi. That's why I wanted to set the record straight and I wanted to tell the media that the paparazzi didn't misbehave on this scene.
KING: Thank you, Dr. Maillez.
Dr. Frederic Maillez, first on the scene that tragic night 10 years ago.
Trevor Rees-Jones was my guest in March of 2000. He survived that crash.
Here's a bit of what he had to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM LARRY KING LIVE, MARCH 2000)
TREVOR REES-JONES: The first memory I've got in hospital, the one I would still put my finger on as the first memory, was my mom telling me I had been in an accident. And through a piece of cardboard that she was able to write the alphabet on and various words and numbers, I was able to sort of try and point as -- and to ask what happened to the other passengers.
And then, you know, that was enough for that day. The next day, then, she was able to tell me that everyone else had been killed and I was the only person that survived. (END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: When we come back, Richard Quest, Robert Lacey, Tina Brown remain with us.
And we'll be joined by Myriah Daniels, who was Dodi Fayed's faith healer. She was with Dodi and Diana the last week of their lives.
Don't go away.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM MEMORIAL SERVICE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was the people's princess. And that's how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In good times and bad, she never lost her capacity to smile and laugh, nor to inspire others with her warmth and kindness. I admired and respected her for her energy and her commitment to others.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CHARLES SPENCER, 9TH EARL OF SPENCER, BROTHER OF DIANA: I stand before you today, the representative of a family in grief and a country in mourning before a world in shock.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: Remaining with us in London is Richard Quest, the CNN reporter. In Paris, Robert Lacey, the royal biographer and royal consultant. And in New York is Tina Brown, author of "The Diana Chronicles," the former New Yorker editor. That book a runaway bestseller. Joining us here now in L.A. is Myriah Daniels, Dodi Fayed's healer.
What do you mean?
MYRIAH DANIELS, FRIEND OF DODI FAYED: Holistic healer.
KING: Holistic healer, meaning?
DANIELS: Like a physical therapist, but instead of using machines, I use my hands and I have a natural gift for feeling the body, fixing body parts. And I treat the...
KING: You've worked with Dodi?
DANIELS: ... whole person -- yes. And I have worked with Dodi for many, many, many years.
KING: And how did you come to be with him and her? DANIELS: I met him through people in the entertainment industry, and he called me to come be a big cannon to help him to impress this woman when he took her on this trip and that's quite an honor, and, well, the rest is history.
KING: Did you treat her?
DANIELS: Yes, I did. That's why I was there, yes.
KING: So you treated both of them...
KING: ... for two weeks.
DANIELS: Yes, I did.
KING: And your impressions?
DANIELS: My impressions are the one thing that a lot of people keep asking is, what were they like? And the bottom line is they were like two people who -- they come from the same stratosphere and they would have probably been very good friends no matter what happened.
But they definitely were two people who had just met and they were having like that new romance where you're excited and happy and you feel invincible and how could anybody think anything bad could happen? You're invincible. It's new love.
KING: Tina, would you say the same thing about the two of them?
TINA BROWN, "THE DIANA CHRONICLES": I think it was a great summer fling for Diana. I think it was a wonderful consoling sort of romance of retaliation for Diana because Charles had just given a 50th birthday party for Camilla at Highgrove. Dr. Hasnat Khan, the Pakistani heart surgeon, who she had been mad about for two years, had just dropped her and she was in a very, very vulnerable and fragile state.
And then along comes this invitation from Dodi's father to come to the South of France where she meets Dodi, and of course, Dodi was wonderful to her, kind, soothing, sweet, lavished attention on her and made her very happy in those last weeks, yes.
KING: Richard Quest, do you think that marriage, if they got married, would have worked?
RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Oh, Larry, what a question.
KING: I just ask it. I don't know. Do you think it would have worked or not?
QUEST: Well, you know, the point is, we don't know how close any question -- we know about the ring that was bought. We know supposedly that they were planning to get engaged. Frankly, I don't believe that to be the case. There's no evidence. And similarly on the question of whether or not Diana was pregnant at the time of her death, I don't believe the evidence shows that to be the case.
DANIELS: Oh, I can tell you for a fact.
QUEST: If you fell, Larry...
KING: Hold on, hold on. Yes?
DANIELS: I can tell you for a fact that she was...
KING: Hold it, Richard.
DANIELS: She was not pregnant. That is a fact. It is a physiological fact, and I don't want to get into details why, but I work with people on a very intimate level of their body. She was not pregnant at all, period.
KING: OK, Richard, continue.
QUEST: I was merely going to finish off, Larry, by saying, if you think I am dancing around with great inability to answer your question, you're right.
KING: Robert Lacey, what was it like to go back to Paris for that night and go through that again?
ROBERT LACEY, ROYALS BIOGRAPHER: Very moving, very poignant. It's that here, hearing the doctor just a bit earlier who was just over here, one of these cars flashing through. He sees the chaos. He said the claxons were going.
You know, we're hardened folk, we who, you know, write about these things. But when you come and actually see it, I was amazed by what a short journey it was and for me suddenly all the conspiracy theories floated right away.
You could just see how it absolutely made sense for this man to try and speed along here as fast as he could, because he just got free from the little streets. He could get rid of the paparazzi. As Tina says in this book, Dodi had quite a record of telling his drivers to step on the gas and lose pursuers.
He liked to impress his girlfriends. I was very interested just now when Myriah said she was invited along to impress this woman. There was a lot of that going on that night, and I think that was a factor in the speed that ended too fast in the tunnel here.
KING: You buy that, Myriah? I mean, he asked you to go to impress her. DANIELS: I traveled with him for many, many years. He was the one to always say, you know, Myriah, put on your seat belt, whether it was the helicopter, the plane, the train, whatever, he always was telling people to take it easy and slow down. I don't quite buy it that he was telling anyone to speed up. That just was not congruous with who he was.
KING: Do you think the driver was doing it on his own?
DANIELS: Yes, I do, yes. But, see, on the way home from the Paris airport that afternoon to the Paris apartment, he was -- I was in the car with Henri Paul behind Dodi and Diana's car, and Henri Paul was driving so recklessly he almost got us killed getting off the freeway. He cut off from the number one lane all the way across and we went across not just the off-ramp but we went across a little bit the median.
KING: Were you in the hotel that night?
DANIELS: No, and I was down at my favorite restaurant on the Champs-Elysees, having dinner, laughing and having fun. To this day that will kill me. I can't believe that I could have been laughing and having a good time at that moment, yes.
KING: Was she happy when she died, Tina?
BROWN: I think that she wasn't happy, no. I think that last night in Paris became a nightmare for Diana. I think it started by her really going along with Dodi, wanting to impress her, as Robert says. The whole night was an evening of Dodi rushing around buying her gifts and trying to take her to a restaurant, chasing around and showing her the villa that had belonged to the duchess of Windsor that now her his father owned, that was another trophy he wanted to show her.
And I think by the time she got to The Ritz she was tired and she was fed up. And you know, the saddest thing was that she was sighted crying that night in The Ritz Restaurant as they waited for a cable to be found for them.
That to me is a very poignant last image of Diana. I think at that point, going through her head was the thought, why aren't I just home with my boys? What am I doing in this crazy scene? And I think she was very unhappy at the end, yes.
KING: We'll take a break. Richard Quest, thanks so much, as always. One of the great reporters, Richard Quest of CNN covering this all day. We appreciate him being with us. Much more to come on this tragic anniversary when we come back from the man who looked out for Diana's safety in the '80s and early '90s.
As we go to break, Princess Di's close friend Elton John with "Candle in the Wind," the classic he rewrote in her memory, and debuted at her funeral to raise funds for her favorite charities.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, MUSIC PLAYING, "CANDLE IN THE WIND) ELTON JOHN, MUSICIAN (singing): And it seems to me you lived like your life like a candle in the wind, never fading with the sunset when the rain set in. And your footsteps will always fall along England's greenest hills, your candles burned out long before your legend ever will.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We're back with our panel. We are joined in London by Ken Wharfe, who was the head of Diana's security detail from 1986 to 1993.
What were your thoughts, Ken, when you learned of the occurrences 10 years ago tonight?
KEN WHARFE, HEAD OF DIANA'S SECURITY DETAIL, 1986-1993: Well, I think, like a lot of your guests have said, Larry, I mean, I was incredibly shocked in 1997. And today in London was a very poignant moment, and I agreed with suddenly what the bishop of London said.
But I think -- more importantly, I thought the speech made by Prince Harry was indeed something from his heart, something that wasn't scripted from him. This was something that he really meant. And I think what he identified in his mother was this wonderful humorous lady that enjoyed fun, that loved her two children. And certainly her legacy is what we see in both William and Harry.
But it was a special day, but I do think the bishop was right when he said that it is now time to consider moving on from this tragedy, because it is a tragedy. Ten years ago we lost one of the most influential members of the royal family that did change the face of the British monarchy.
And I just hope we can do that. But of course, the one lingering aspect that is going to keep this alive is the uncertainty perhaps of where this inquest ends in when it reconvenes in October this year.
KING: What are your thoughts on the security that night?
WHARFE: Well, Larry, I think -- you know my thoughts on this. We've discussed this in the past and I've discussed it heavily over many, many years. We've had two major inquiries here, first by the French, the magistrate, Herve Stephan, and then last year Lord Stevens, the former head of the Metropolitan Police, concluded that this was a tragic accident.
I think it was a tragic accident. In fact, I know it was, and we look at the facts here. We've heard Trevor Rees-Jones. We know that he was in a very difficult situation. But one thing is for certain, and I'm adamant that had Scotland Yard retained the responsibility for looking after the princess, Diana, we would not be having this discussion.
It is my view that this is being kept alive by the ridiculous accusations perpetrated in the media by Mohamed al-Fayed suggesting that the prince, Philip is involved in colluding with MI-5, MI-6, and the CIA is actually almost laughable if not ridiculous.
I think the sooner the coroner looks at the facts and concludes once and for all this was a tragic accident, we can move it on. But I do say this. That it was the failures of the security that night that brought about this tragic accident.
It's interesting to hear there that Martha (sic) Daniels said that Dodi Fayed was very keen to say to people put their seat belts on. If he had just said that that evening, put his own seat belt on and the princess of Wales, they would have survived this tragic accident.
KING: One can only wonder why he didn't. Was she paranoid, Tina?
BROWN: Actually, I don't think Diana was really paranoid. I think that Diana had a lot to be paranoid about. The fact is that although I completely agree with Ken that this was not a murder, it was a tragic accident, Diana was spied on a lot and there was a lot of conspiratorial stuff going on around her.
For instance, the famous Squidgygate tape that we all heard played. It was said at the time to be recorded from a cell phone just as a kind of accident by an amateur. But in fact, I talked to a lot of audiotronics (ph) experts and they have all said the same thing, which is that that telephone call was tapped from a land mine (sic) at Sandringham where she was and then rebroadcast very likely.
Because it certainly wasn't tapped from a cell phone. Nothing about the audiotronics says that that phone call was a cell phone. So people were spying on her, there is no doubt about it.
KING: Myriah, was she likeable?
DANIELS: She was likeable. And in the two weeks that I knew her, she came up to you and she gave you a good, solid handshake. She seemed like a very strong person. I didn't know much about her before that. I didn't pay attention to the news and the press. She was...
KING: Was she affectionate with Dodi?
DANIELS: She was very affectionate with Dodi. And I will be the first to say that, yes, this was just an accident, a horrible accident. But it was the way the day was going. Everybody was moving too fast. Everything was out of control. If there is any conspiracy, this is not the night that it happened. This was an accident. That's it.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DIANA, PRINCESS OF WALES: Life is mostly froth and bubble. Two things stand like stone, kindness in another's trouble, courage in your own.
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KING: There's the now horrific entrance to that tunnel in Paris where Princess Di and Dodi lost their lives. Robert Lacey is there.
Robert, how have these two boys turned out, in your opinion?
LACEY: Absolutely spectacular, I think particularly in view of what happened to them. One of the interesting things Harry said today was our lives have been in two parts, the Diana part and the since- Diana part in which he then went on to say, you know, they always talked and laughed about their mother.
But I think a lot of people expected that that second part would go wrong, and it hasn't. And it may be the sentimental monarchist in me, but I think a lot of credit for that should go to the queen and Prince Philip, who, of course, in the week that followed, what we're now remembering, were greatly criticized for not coming down to London and salving the wounds of the nation while Britain had its famous nervous breakdown.
And their priority then was to look after the two boys. There's a wonderful example in Tina's book of Prince Philip suddenly breaking into a discussion, saying, don't you realize these boys have lost their mother?
And I think, you know, that the Windsors are always written off as unfeeling people and, of course, Diana brought a great new dimension to them, but I think here perhaps the queen and Prince Philip, they may not have been great parents, but they have been very good grandparents and we see that result in the two boys today.
KING: Tina, do you think she would be very proud of them?
BROWN: I think she would be immensely proud of them. You know, they have become the best combination of Windsor and Diana because, you know, William, in fact, is a very conservative young man. Although he seems as accessible and as modern and as charming as Diana, and he is all of those things, what's wonderful about him though is he also is a Windsor, kind of sober, restrained, in control of his emotions, which he has to be, because he's the future king.
And then of course, Harry -- as Diana used to say about him, Harry is the naughty one just like me. And he is. He's an absolutely all over the place, out there, but very brave and fun and a terrifically charming young man.
KING: By the way, are he and his girlfriend -- Kate Middleton, they had broken up, are they back together? BROWN: They are back together, very much so. I think William will marry Kate. I think, you know, again, he's a very monogamous man, actually, William. He wants the security having had so much turbulence in his life. He has really found solidity with Kate. And I'm sure he will marry her, yes.
KING: Ken Wharfe, how old were they when you knew them?
WHARFE: Well, I knew William -- William was about 5, Harry was about 3. So that was around '86. And I remember a great, great story when I first met Diana at Sandringham. It was the house in Norfolk, one of the queen's residences. And I, like most people, were sort of rather frightened about meeting a member of the royal family for the first time.
And as I went into this room, there was William was trying to play the piano and Harry was de-stamenizing this huge vase of royal lilies. And Diana said to me -- Ken, she said, I don't envy you looking after my two boys, they can be a real nuisance.
At which point William turned around and said, I'm not a nuisance, and Harry said, neither am I. At which point, the vase of flowers fell off the desk and they both scuffled out of the room, pursued by their mother.
And I though, hang on, I have walked into something that is pretty damn near normal. And I think what Tina says is absolutely right. I think what you see now in William and Harry is this almost repeat of their mother. But I think it's great because it has changed the face of the monarchy. They don't speak like their father and they really appeal to their generation of people.
KING: Myriah, was Dodi in love with her?
DANIELS: They were discovering each other, but I must say, listen to your bodyguards. That's the most important thing. People need to know that the bodyguards were not being listened to. Had they listened to them, security would have been really...
KING: Why weren't they listening? That seemed stupid.
DANIELS: I -- honestly, Dodi was not used to this sort of a thing and he was really just trying to show the woman a good time and take good care of her, but he wasn't used to handling something like this. He really just didn't know. He was not being pompous. He just didn't get it.
KING: We'll be back with our remaining moments 10 years later. Don't go away.
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DIANA: I'm not a political figure. I am a humanitarian figure and always have been and always will be. PRINCE WILLIAM OF WALES: We were left with no doubt at all that we were the most important thing in her life. And then after that it was everyone else, it was all her charities and everything (INAUDIBLE). And to me that is a really good philosophy. She loved caring for people and she loved helping.
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KING: Tina Brown, in our remaining moments, what's the future of William and Harry and their stepmother Camilla?
BROWN: Well, I think William is going to be an excellent king and a very popular one. I think that Harry has the most difficulty in a sense. He was very bitterly upset that he wasn't allowed to go to Iraq as he had wanted to, to serve with the army, and has been apparently very distressed ever since because he feels now that his role has been shot from underneath him. But I think eventually he'll probably do something with Africa because that really is his great passion.
KING: What about their relationship with Camilla?
BROWN: Well, they are very fond of Camilla. They are very much appreciative of the way Prince Charles, you know, has been made so happy. And actually, you know, Camilla likes to drink her gin and smoke cigarettes and sit in the country and watch the racing and they sort of love hanging out with her. They are very fond of Camilla. I think that's a good relationship.
KING: Do you agree, Robert?
LACEY: Yes, I do. And, you know, let's not forget they were right on the inside of the marriage. We on the outside blame everything on Camilla. You know, they loved their mother, but they must have seen she was a difficult character to live with. Children are very understanding about this sort of thing, and as Tina says, Camilla makes their dad happy, and that makes them happy.
Let's not forget they were sort of at the heart of one of the problems over this service. They wanted Camilla there. They invited her, and it was only with second thoughts that Camilla backed out.
KING: Only have quickly 30 seconds, Ken. Will she be long remembered?
WHARFE: I think she will be, Larry. I think for all the reasons and all the guests here have said, I think Diana made an amazing impact on the lives of many people. She had her faults. We know that. But I think Robert's point is very, very wise. I think William knew of the problems.
And I think he, as a young man, wants to move this forward. He appreciates the love that Camilla has for her husband and that's good. And that's the way kids work today. And I just hope this is the beginning of a moving on.
KING: Myriah, you think all the conspiracy theories will eventually peter out?
DANIELS: I don't know if they will. But they should. And I know my final word would be, I'm so sorry that we did not get her home safe and sound. And I'll hold that with me the rest of my life. And I just -- I'm sorry.
KING: You were there, thank you, dear.
DANIELS: Thank you.
KING: And thanks to all of our panelists.
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