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Girl Assaulted In Sex Tape Found; Dangerous Jobs
Aired September 28, 2007 - 21:00 ET
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, breaking news -- authorities say the little girl sexuality assaulted in a shocking home video has been found. And police have now named a suspect. We're on the screen near Las Vegas with all the latest.
Plus, they risk dying just to earn a living -- the men of reality TV's smash, "Deadliest Catch," battling huge storms on the roughest seas for days on end. "Dog" Chapman, America's best known bounty hunter. Storm racers who race at tornados. Men digging tunnels a thousand feet underground along America's most notorious earthquake fault line.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is something you have never seen.
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KING: And a timber cutter who cheated death by chainsaw, but whose brother-in-law was crushed to death by a falling tree.
Inside America's most dangerous jobs, all next on LARRY KING LIVE.
News happening fast as we go on the air.
Our panel to discuss the breaking developments in Parhump, Nevada is Sheriff Anthony De Meo, the sheriff of Nye County, Nevada.
Also is Parhump is Kara Finnstrom, the CNN correspondent.
And in Las Vegas is Ed Miller, correspondent for "America's Most Wanted," who interviewed Darren Tuck, the man who found the tape and turned it over to the sheriff's office. And the big news is the young girl has been found.
How did this happen, sheriff?
SHERIFF ANTHONY DE MEO, NYE COUNTY, NEVADA: We were following up on a tip that we received after the media coverage that was -- after the name was released and the flood of media coverage that was given to this case. And we appreciate that. We got a couple of tips that led us to another jurisdiction. We're going to cover that at our news conference at 7:30 our local time, 10:30 Eastern. But the detectives went down there with the tip. They identified the girl, because we actually had some markings that were just particular to this particular female that we saw in the video. They turned out to be true. We found out additional information as far as the possible connection between this young victim and Mr. Stiles. We're following up on other information that's coming through, through -- the detectives are still gathering some more factual information. They're still on their way back to Parhump, Nevada from where they found the tip and the girl. And I'm going to be briefed on what they -- on everything in a few -- in a matter of a short time.
KING: Can you tell us this, sheriff, is the young girl approximately about the same age as she is in the video picture?
DE MEO: No, older. I'm not going to discuss how old. I don't even know myself. We're getting that information on the briefing. All I know is that detectives shared good news with someone and all of the sudden it spread through the nation like wildfire. And we're pretty -- and I know everybody had a lot of interest in this because of the victim -- the age of the victim. And we appreciate that.
KING: Do we know of any relationship at all possible between the victim and the suspect?
DE MEO: There was -- yes, we believe there was contact with that -- with that victim. Like I said, is the detectives is coming back from this lead they had, from where they made contact with this victim. They're on their way back to Pahrump, Nevada and there's like -- there's a cell phone blackout because of the dessert terrain you have to cross.
Once they come back into Pahrump, we're going to have a -- we're going to -- I'm going to get briefed by the detectives. We're going to make sure we have a news conference, as we promised the news, when we have breaking news we're going to make sure we give it to you guys as soon as possible.
KING: Where is the tape now?
DE MEO: The tape is in the hands of Metro -- the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and coordinating the investigation is also the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI is working hand in hand with Metro to make other enhancements of that video, should they be necessary for the prosecution of the suspect in that tape.
KING: Kara Finnstrom is our CNN correspondent. She's also in Pahrump, Nevada -- Kara, this -- the tape -- they got the tape on September 8th.
Do you know why this story broke so much later?
KARA FINNSTROM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was just about a week ago that actually they brought this to the public's attention. Initially, they were doing a lot of questioning of the man, Darren Tuck, who brought this videotape to their attention. But as to why they actually waited those couple of weeks, I'm not sure. They say they questioned him a number of times. They were trying to follow up on leads and got to the point where they felt it was necessary to share this information in the hopes of finding the little girl.
I guess, in a sense, they just felt that the interest of finding this little girl overrode the interest that they usually have of protecting the privacy of someone who is a victim of such an assault. And in this case, once they released the pictures and then today, the name of this little girl, they very quickly found her.
KING: This an example, Kara, of media coverage working well, right?
FINNSTROM: It is. And it's actually very nice to see. It's also very heartwarming, I'm sure, for these detectives, who have been, you know, speaking with us about how difficult this for them. Some of them say they've just never seen anything like this videotape. This girl -- you know, it's very heartwarming that she's been found, but she is still going to have so many issues to deal with. And one of the most disturbing things about this whole story has been that they feel she has been brutalized in the past because of the reaction she has on this videotape.
So there are still a lot of questions that are out there as far as how she was kept in this situation.
KING: Ed Miller is -- he's in Vegas -- is the correspondent for "America's Most Wanted".
He interviewed Darren Tuck, the man who found the tape.
How did you come to do that, Ed?
How did you put that together?
ED MILLER, "AMERICA'S MOST WANTED," INTERVIEWED MAN WHO SURRENDERED VIDEO: Well, we just finished it just a few minutes ago. And the headline from that whole incident is that Darren Tuck has flunked his lie detector test. That was given just about an hour ago. And he has flunked his lie detector test. He is the man, of course, who said that he found the tape in the desert, that he was riding his dirt bike and he was trying to create a little trail and he lifted up a board and underneath it, he found this tape wrapped in a plastic bag.
But police never believed him and, specifically, they pointed to this thing called poof dirt, which is the thing in the desert, which is dust. And that gets through everything, even plastic. And they said there was no poof dirt on that tape. So they believed he got that tape some other way.
Now, here is where it really gets complicated, because you have to ask yourself, are there multiple copies of that tape?
Is that tape being sold?
Is it on the Internet? How in the world did he get that tape?
Again, he flunked his lie detector test. He did say -- and we just got through finished talking to him -- he did say that he only screened the tape himself, just a few minutes of the tape. It disgusted him. But he had no answer to why he held onto the tape for so long before giving it to police.
KING: Did he tell you -- did he give you any indication as to why he held onto it or how he found it?
KING: What did he tell you?
MILLER: No. He said -- no, he refused to answer that. And he said, you know, that's some issues that we don't want to talk about. He did say that he does not know the person of interest, Chester Stiles, and he says he does not know the child, little Madison.
So, again, he denies knowing anything to do with the tape in terms of its production or its involvement. He said he nothing to do with the rape of this child, only that he had the tape.
But police believe he is a very key, important person in how this case will unravel.
KING: But they don't believe that he's associated with the harm done to the girl, do they?
MILLER: No. They believe somehow he acquired that tape, perhaps through an associate, perhaps through a burglary of an associate. But one way or another, he acquired that tape. He says he was doing it out of the goodness of his heart by turning it in to police, that he felt that, you know, we had to find this child and had to find the man who was raping her. And he said that he was doing something good.
However, he cannot answer why he held onto it for so long. And, again, he flunked his lie detector test, which raises lots and lots of questions.
KING: We'll be right back with more on this extraordinary story, right after this.
We're back on LARRY KING LIVE, discussing this extraordinary case.
Joined now here in studio with ""Dog"" Chapman and his son, Leland. They host one of the great variety -- rather, reality shows. An enormous success. "Dog" has become an internationally famous person.
And in Las Vegas, joined by Harry Kuehn, the co-council for Darren Tuck. Ed Miller just reported, Harry, that your client failed a lie detector test. You want to comment?
HARRY KUEHN, ATTORNEY FOR MAN WHO SURRENDERED CHILD SEX-ASSAULT VIDEO: Well, you know, lie detector tests are measured by -- they have a sliding scale. And it's my understanding in our client's case, he came back deceptive, which is basically the middle area between telling the truth and outright lying. It's not an uncommon result for people who carry baggage and guilt that may not even be associated with what he's accused of doing.
KING: What do you believe your client did?
Did he just find the tape and turn it?
KUEHN: He found it. He kept it for a disputed amount of time and then he turned it in, for the right reason -- the reason that anyone else would turn it in, because he wanted something done. He had some personal issues going on at the time. We haven't disclosed it. We still may have to fight this battle in court, where he's facing the possibility of life, so we don't want to tip everything we know. But he turned it in for the right reason.
KING: Life for what?
KUEHN: Well, the sheriff's department has alleged that he actually played this particular tape for another person. Under Nevada law, that subjects him to a possible penalty of five to life.
KING: Sheriff, have you sowed (ph) -- are you going to charge him?
DE MEO: Yes, we actually filed the charges with the D.A.'s office. We sent it, our case, to the D.A.'s office a couple of days ago and we're charging him with possession of child pornography and exhibiting child pornography. And his counselor is right, one is a Class B felony, which is one to six. The other is a Class A felony. I believe it's 10 to life.
KING: So -- and a question, you don't believe he just found this tape and turned it in?
DE MEO: No, we do not believe he turned that tape in. We were not surprised with the results of the polygraph. We were not surprised previous to his taking a polygraph and we're not surprised the outcome, as I was just informed, that he had failed his polygraph.
KING: "Dog," what do you make of this case?
DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN, STAR OF "DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER": Well, this one of the most...
KING: "Dog" is the famous bounty hunter.
D. CHAPMAN: This one of the most horrendous crimes, of course, there is. I mean, besides murder, this is the worst. And to put this on film, I mean this guy -- I believe there will be a suicide or something on this guy. I mean this is usually how these cases end up. Before the authorities or I get to them, they end up hanging themselves or, you know, blowing their brains out. This is unbelievable. I mean there, you know, there's actually groups of these guys that do pass around these videos that they make. And I applaud Nevada for having such laws. Ten to life is right on. I mean you see that kind of stuff, you pass it on and this guy looks like his conscience was guilty. He went to the authorities, which, you know, will show up in sentencing, and turned it...
KING: But he's not the culprit, though. He's...
D. CHAPMAN: No, he's not the culprit. But I mean, you know, birds of a feather flock together, allegedly. So I think that he had a conscience check, went to authorities. And the day of sentencing, the judge will probably take that into consideration.
But I mean this has got to be stopped. I mean it's not just America that this happens in. It's all over the world.
KING: Well, what do you make of the culprit, the alleged?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, the alleged culprit -- I mean, allegedly -- and we see the guy on film, you know what I mean? So I mean this like -- how can you live with yourself?
KING: You mean Chester Arthur Stiles.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes. We've been taking a really good look at his mug shot, because we're waiting for, you know, the FBI is in the -- I don't think they've actually issued a warrant for his arrest for to us get in on it yet.
Leland said dad, are we ready to go?
I said, well, once the warrant issued and we're asked or, you know, we can never be given permission but...
KING: What would you do?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, I'd start with, you know, he's a convict, number one, so he's got a record. So I'd look at his last known address, his best friends, his parents. You know, he's got a partner that he's got to go to.
KING: Would you (INAUDIBLE), If they asked you, would you go after them?
D. CHAPMAN: If they ask us to do this, this what we specialize in, crimes against women and children. We would go after him for $1.
KING: Sheriff, might you ask "Dog?"
DE MEO: Well, that's not going to be my decision to make. We believe that these crimes occurred outside of our jurisdiction. We know that there's an FBI warrant for his -- for Stiles' arrest. We know that the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department has a warrant for his arrest. The warrant that Las Vegas Metro has is a nation warrant. And, on top of that, he has a fugitive warrant that was issued by the FBI.
We want this individual. We wanted him before, when he was a person of interest, because he actually had these warrants for his arrest and I know Metro wanted that information, as well.
DE MEO: So any way of bringing him to justice, of bringing him into the criminal justice system would be -- would be appreciated.
And I will tell you this, I hope that he's taken alive in custody. I want this person to spend a long time in jail and not take this other option that was just discussed by "Dog." I want this person to be prosecuted in the criminal justice system.
KING: I know "Dog." "Dog" will be -- there's no doubt, "Dog" will be on the trail here.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you.
KING: There ain't a doubt about it.
Sheriff, without being too explicit, you've seen the tape.
DE MEO: Yes, Larry.
KING: How bad is it?
DE MEO: I've seen part of the tape. I -- Larry, I'll tell you this, I only saw a small part of the tape in order for us to get some kind of graphic. And the reason why we had the tape for awhile is because we did not want to expose the victim. The only clear picture we had was of the victim. So I was we're going to put on the Internet and what we're going to post. I did not see the whole tape.
I will tell you this, in my 32 years in law enforcement, I have never come across anything of this nature and I don't think anybody in this particular line of work could be ready for this type of thing. No one could be ready for this in the field of law enforcement. There's no way we can make anyone in training be aware of this. My heart goes out to those in law enforcement that work for -- with sex crimes and these particular incidents, because it's -- it's heart-rendering. It really is. It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking.
We'll be back with more on the same topic, right after this.
DE MEO: And I...
KING: We'll be right back, sheriff. Don't go away.
KING: We're back.
Leland, about the way, the son of "Dog," are you little "Dog?"
Would you go out with your father after this guy?
LELAND CHAPMAN, "DOG'S" SON, ALSO A BOUNTY HUNTER, WORKING WITH HIS DAD SINCE AGE 13: Absolutely. You know, I believe our whole family would love to catch this guy.
KING: And you believe that he's crossed state lines?
L. CHAPMAN: Just from the facts we've heard, yes, I would believe that.
KING: Harry Keane, where is your client now, Darren Tuck?
Oh, no one told me he's gone.
KING: Kara Finnstrom, do you continue covering this in Pahrump or do you go to Vegas?
FINNSTROM: We're going to stay in Pahrump. In about 45 minutes, the detectives will be back here and will be holding a press conference. The sheriff has said there are a lot of details that they've collected, including some more information about the possible relationship connection between Chester Arthur Stiles -- he's the suspect that they're looking for -- and this little girl, Madison. So, hopefully, we'll get some more information about that, as well as any progress that they may have made on tracking this man down.
KING: Sheriff, can you tell us the physical and emotional condition of the girl now?
DE MEO: She's safe. She's in good condition. My understanding -- that's the first question I asked from my detectives. She's in good condition. We're getting cooperation as far as from her mother. We're going to release some of those other details at 7:30, because I don't know myself. My detectives just wanted to let me know very -- some information that makes us (INAUDIBLE) give us some relief and give the nation some relief, as well.
And we're requested that her -- that the victim's picture be taken off the media. She's not -- we don't need to put her picture up there anymore. The picture I want up there is the one of the suspect, of Mr. Stiles. And I want that picture up there so that the nation could be aware of it. That's the one we're looking for. He's a primary suspect in this case. And we're just requesting that every -- all the phone calls now that we get -- and we got thousands of phone calls, thank you so much, media -- that we get the phone calls with the location of Mr. Stiles. I would request that he turn himself in to the nearest law enforcement agency so that we can bring this -- bring closure.
KING: And the sheriff has already told us she is older, right?
You haven't said how much older, but she's elder?
DE MEO: She's older. I will -- we'll go with that, because that's the information that I was -- I was made aware she's older. Like I said, the cell phone contact that we get is very sporadic in our -- and between the two jurisdictions. So we're going to -- I'm going to make sure I give the press everything, make sure you get factual information, Larry.
I know that that's what you'd want.
KING: Ed Miller, I guess from a media standpoint, it doesn't pay to show her picture anymore, does it?
MILLER: No, other than the fact that the picture is out there. And, you know, by using that child's picture that generates interest. It goes to show that people have a heart and people are very interested in this. And that goes to the heart of what "America's Most Wanted" is all about, because the theory behind this, as you well know, millions of extra eyes and ears are out there. And now we want to focus those eyes and ears not on the little girl anymore -- we know she's safe and sound -- but on Chester Stiles.
Somebody must know this guy. Somebody must have seen him somewhere -- at the car wash, the hardware store, the fast food joint or maybe saw him crossing the border. He could be anywhere. And that's the important thing now, to find him, not just for this case now, mind you. Remember, he has a history of child sex crimes. He's wanted in Las Vegas for other child sex crimes.
KING: "Dog," you give him any shot of getting away?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, you know, I want to dub this guy right now Chester the Molester. I give him no chance of getting away. I mean if the FBI is in on it, I've worked with the Nevada police and sheriff's department. They will hunt this guy down.
I agree with Ed right there, that we need other eyes and ears. We need to find this guy. He does smoke cigarettes. He has to buy them. He has to get gas. He has a cell phone. You know, there is a large reward. I'm sure the rewards will start building.
Larry, when the rewards start building up and it's worth someone to turn him in for say $50,000, $60,000...
KING: Like a bounty hunter.
D. CHAPMAN: Like a bounty hunter, they're going to -- well, someone's going to give him up for the cash, you know what I mean? But this is a modern-day Charlie Manson guy. I mean, you know, remember the horrendous stuff that freak did. And this guy, to do this to a child and video record it, you know, that's two crimes, life in jail. Chester the Molester has got a problem.
KING: Sheriff, how bad was she reacting?
DE MEO: So, I have to -- I'll have to defer that to later on. My understanding is that she's OK and we're getting -- we've got cooperation from her mother, I think. And so we're going to, as I said, at 7:30 our time, 10:30 Eastern time, I will be able to provide those details. I just don't want to make it a guess and then it turn out to be wrong. I want to make sure you have the facts. And I want to make sure I actually have the facts, as well.
And I appreciate the effort that they've given. And Ed's right. Mr. Miller is right. The fact of the matter is "America's Most Wanted," from our effect, we never see the faces of the victims that these predators, you know, place in this type of jeopardy and place in these type of situations. You know, we have to remember there's -- that this happening across our nation, unfortunately, and across the world, where innocent children are being victimized by these individuals, the predators. I can't speak the vernacular. I wish I could on TV. But people understand that this is an individual that has to be taken out of society and has to be placed in prison.
KING: Leland, you are following in your father's footsteps now?
L. CHAPMAN: Trying to.
KING: Is he good at it yet?
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, sir, he's good at it. Leland is absolutely following in my footsteps. He kind of -- you know, I -- in the old days, I would tuck my head and charge. Leland's more of the modern-day bounty hunter, more technology, easy dad, we'll catch him, you know, let's do it stylish. Let's take his picture first...
KING: He's not going to beat anybody up.
D. CHAPMAN: No. He doesn't have to beat anybody -- or threaten to beat anybody up, you know?
But he's -- I'm very proud of my son. He's one of many sons that work with me.
L. CHAPMAN: I love it. I couldn't picture myself doing anything else.
KING: That's really great.
Good luck to all you do.
L. CHAPMAN: Thank you. KING: "Dog" will be back with us. We've got lots more to cover.
We thank our guests.
And we'll -- of course, CNN will stay atop of this story. And at 7:30 Pacific, 10:30 Eastern, that press conference where the sheriff has obviously told us, a lot more is going to be revealed.
We'll be right back.
Don't go away.
KING: Before we look at a strange case in Washington, let's go back to Pahrump, Nevada and have Kara Finnstrom, our CNN correspondent, just give us a general recap of the story as it goes with regard to the young lady.
FINNSTROM: Well, it's really the best possible ending that could have happened. Deputies have found this little girl. They got a call from her mother, they believe. All the information just kind of filtering back here. But the sheriff believes the actual call came from the mother, who had heard the little girl's name circulated through these press reports.
She contacted local authorities. They went out and identified her and found not with the attacker but with her mother. They say she is safe.
They are still looking for this person that they have now identified as their main suspect in this case. His name is Chester Arthur Stiles. Their hope now is to turn all the attention from this little girl to this man who, they believe is their suspect in this case.
He's also wanted by the FBI, and some police in the area, Las Vegas area, on some other charges of lewd conduct on a minor, so this is someone who they say has been on the run, and they're hoping that getting out pictures of him, circulating them can hopefully stir up some leads.
KING: Thanks, Kara. Kara Finnstrom on the scene in Pahrump, Nevada, where she'll remain.
Next, earlier this month a young woman named Tanya Rider went missing after leaving her job in Seattle and her husband tried to list her as missing. But he says at first no one would listen. Then eight days after her car plunged off the road into a ravine, Tanya has found alive after authorities traced her cell phone. She's recovering. She has kidney problems and other injuries.
Let's get into that story with Tom Rider, the husband. He's in Seattle, and Sheriff Sue Rahr, King County in Washington State. All right, Tom, what happened to Tanya? TOM RIDER, TANYA RIDER'S HUSBAND: Tanya drove off the road, and was trapped in her car for eight days in a ravine that 50,000 people a day drove by and no one could see her.
KING: And you reported her as missing how soon after you couldn't find her?
RIDER: We work different shifts so she would work doctor -- we're both working would it two-jobs. She would work while I was sleeping and I was working while she was sleeping. So I didn't know until Saturday. I kind of got a feeling something was going wrong because she hadn't called me and then her work called me Saturday morning, sometime around 9:00 a.m. to let me know she hadn't come to work and ask what was wrong and then I kind of broke a few speed limits getting to Bellevue.
I called the Bellevue Police Department, and after I talked to her boss up at the Nordstrom Rack and the police department came over, starred a missing person's case or started taking a report.
RIDER: Then they found video evidence of her getting into her car at the Fred Meyer after her shift at 9:00 a.m. on Thursday morning and leaving Bellevue, which tied their hands and took it out of their jurisdiction.
KING: Of course she got into her car, that meant she no longer could be considered missing?
RIDER: Because she is an adult, she can go where she wants. That's one problem I discovered.
The other problem that I recently talked to the detective that found her, I offered him his money and he turned it down. He says that they had to actually obtain a search warrant against Verizon to get the cell records of me calling her the hundreds of times that I called her, and it hitting on that cell tower in that little five-mile circle where she was found.
KING: Wow. All right, Sheriff Rahr, how do you respond to this?
SHERIFF SUE RAHR, KING COUNTY, WASHINGTON: Well, this case was a very tragic case. There was an extraordinary set of circumstances that we had to deal with here. When her husband originally reported her missing, we went through our normal protocols. We assigned this case to a missing person's investigator.
She jumped on it, and contacted the bank, contacted Mr. Rider, and there was a mistake in the information originally. We were told that she was the only person that had access to her bank account. When we found activity on that account, we believed that she was actually using her card, which made it appear that she was probably still alive and well.
Once we realized that Mr. Rider himself actually was able to get into that account, we learned from him that it was actually him doing the bank activity. At that point, we accelerated the investigation. We had enough information to go to Verizon and say we really believe that this woman may have been a victim of an accident or be in some sort of danger. That allowed us to get those records before obtaining a search warrant.
KING: Does that satisfy you, tom?
RIDER: No. I think that there's some things that need to be done to streamline the process. Eight days in a car alone is unacceptable. I mean I understand this isn't the first time it's happened. One woman survived, and some others have died because they're an adult and can go where they want, and because of the -- I didn't know -- the detective I spoke to said you actually had to get the warrant, and then the sheriff just said that they went to them and said that it was, they had enough information and Verizon gave them the information. So there's conflicting information there. I'd like to know which is the case.
RIDER: Because ...
RAHR: Yes, I think what I want to clarify is a phone user or a family member of the person cannot go to the phone company and just say "I need this information." There are two ways to get that information. One is with a search warrant. The other way is if there are exigent circumstances.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep looking directly into the camera.
RAHR: Meaning we can articulate why we think this person's life is in danger. Once they were we were able to establish that she had been gone, there had been no activity on the bank card, we crossed that threshold where we could get that information from the bank. Typically that level of information isn't present, as soon as somebody is reported missing. We get about 600 to 700 reports every year of an adult that has gone missing.
RIDER: I understand that and how many of them die?
RAHR: It's very, very rare.
RIDER: According to the detective I spoke to, actually, 275 cases actually are missing and you do do an investigation, and out of those, some of them you're too late for. One of them you're too late for is too many. I don't think it -- hang on -- I don't think it's the Sheriff Department's fault. I'm not the bashing them.
KING: You think it's the law.
RIDER: I think it's the law. And I think we ought to be able to do something that wouldn't violate anybody's privacy, maybe just the phone company giving the cell tower it's hitting and not the numbers that are calling.
KING: I got to cut but I promise you, Tom, we're going to do more on this, sheriff as well, we'll do a lot more on this. This is important. Tom Rider and Sheriff Sue Rahr. I'm glad his wife is going to recover.
Up next, one of the deadliest careers in the country. It has a lot of danger and not a lot of dollars. Why do these professional fishermen do it? We'll go fishing for answers with a pair of people you know from the show "Deadliest Catch." Stick around.
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KING: We're back. Before we continue, Tom Rider, the last guest told me is he totally broken. They're opening up an account at Washington Mutual in Seattle in the name of Tom Rider his wife through extraordinary medical bills. If you'd like to help, Tom Rider, Washington Mutual in Seattle.
For the rest of the hour we look at some of America's on the job heroes. Joining me here in the studio along with Dog Chapman is Captain Phil Harris who you probably recognize from Discovery Channel's "Deadliest Catch." He's an Alaskan crab fisherman and in Tampa, another crab fisherman form "Deadliest Catch", Jonathan Hillstrand. In 2005, the Bureau of Labor Statistics ranked the 10 most dangerous jobs, and commercial fishing was number one.
Before we talk let's take a look at the stormy seas these guys face on a regular basis. In this clip, a fisherman has just fallen overboard.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Man overboard! Man overboard!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get the (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Get a life ring and get on the bow!
ANNOUNCER: The "Time Bandit" was the deckhand's only hope for survival.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's go, let's go, let's go!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not yet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here we go, here we go!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got him. See how far it goes! We got him. We got him. He's up. Stand by.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw you. I saw you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) disappear man. You scared us, man. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) here, here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED), my legs are shaking.
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KING: Captain Harris not only am I going to ask why do you do it? But why is it the most dangerous job?
CAPT. PHIL HARRIS, CRAB FISHERMAN, "DEADLIEST CATCH": Well, so many different things happen at once. The weather, that water was probably 38, 39 degrees, you know, that guy, that was a one in 1,000 shot that Jonathan got him back, but you know, you're dealing with weather. We were out there when it's blowing 100, 130, 150. My personal best is 200 miles an hour, 200 knots.
KING: Two hundred miles an hour?
KING: Why do you do it?
HARRIS: I don't know. I keep asking myself the same thing. It's just another day at the office for me.
KING: Is it very financially rewarding?
HARRIS: Yeah, yeah, it can be and I guess that's what's kept us into it. It has to be in your heart. Like Dog doing what he does. You got to have it in your heart.
KING: Jonathan Hillstrand, why do you do it?
CAPT. JONATHAN HILLSTRAND, CRAB FISHERMAN, "DEADLIST CATCH": Started out with the money, gets in your blood, and I missed the season out of 27 years, I missed an open season two years ago and it was killing me sitting in town knowing everyone was fishing without me.
KING: Do you train young people to break in the profession?
HILLSTRAND: Not recently. We have the same guys. But we do safety drills all the time. We prepare ourselves for the worst case scenario, and that's how we stay alive. We replace our steering lines before they go out, and then you're in a big storm you lose your steering lines, we replace them before they go bad, things like that.
KING: Are there natural fishermen, Phil?
HARRIS: Oh, yeah. You have to have it in your blood. You'll take a guy that likes salmon, for instance he'll go after and he's really good it and he can't catch other species but he's ...
KING: He's a salmon specialist.
HARRIS: He's a salmon specialist, like crab for us.
KING: What do you like best?
HARRIS: I'm a crab fisherman.
KING: You're a crab man?
HARRIS: I like it. I need the weather. I like it when it gets really rough and you're right on the edge.
KING: Where are you doing it mostly?
HARRIS: We're out in Bristol Bay and we go northwest of the Purpoff (ph) Islands, off by Russia, right up in the, 400 miles out.
KING: Dog, how do you explain it? You're pretty gutsy.
CHAPMAN: I just met him, cool brother. Similarities, same bracelets. There's a lot alike. Just he's crazy and I'm not. No. We were talking about Chester the molester and he said, Dog, I got a plan for him. Let's take him on the boat. So I mean you got to have a calling. I kind of watched him. I want to get to know him because I watched his show. He's a brave man but he's got it in his heart. I don't think it's all for the money. I think it's the thrill of the victory. And only you can do it and you've got to do it right and something you can do better than anybody else in the world and that's the kind of man he is.
KING: My little boys are here tonight. I know they're going to want to meet you. Thank you. I'm sorry about the limited time but we had the big case breaking. We're going to do more on this, have you back, I want to discuss the whole facet. How many men are on the boat?
HARRIS: We have six. Six guys on our boat.
KING: Think you got it tough, huh, Anderson? Anderson Cooper, the host of AC 360, he will be with us at the top of the hour. What's up, Anderson?
COOPER: Larry, we're going to be following the incredible story you were telling us, about word that a young girl named Madison is safe and sound tonight. Police had released their picture with news she was a sex abuse victim. Tonight, police are looking for a man they call a suspect in her abuse. They're going to release more information during our broadcast. And we'll have that for you.
Also tonight we're going to take you back to Burma, the country the military government there calls Myanmar. Soldiers did more cracking down today. The monks who led protest marches in the country's largest cities were locked up. There's no telling how many people have been killed so far. Another day is just beginning there. We'll have the latest at the top of the hour, Larry.
KING: Thanks, Anderson. That's Anderson Cooper, AC 360 10:00 Eastern, 8:00 Pacific.
Up next, the guys who sometimes get high on the job and sometimes they go deep to do their dangerous jobs. We'll meet them, when we come back.
KING: Welcome back. Building's a dangerous job. And my next two guests know about it. Danny Foster joins me from New York. Maybe you've seen him on Discovery Channel's "Build It Bigger," he's the host of the show and joining me from Washington ironworker Paul Dillard. He is on an episode of the show that focuses on roller coaster building. Wow. Take a look at Danny and Paul as they work together to build a new roller coaster at Busch Gardens in Virginia.
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DANNY FOSTER, DISCOVERY CHANNEL: Locking this piece together takes 32 bolts and tons of nerve.
I just want, look at him do that. Oh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look, mom, no hands.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's nasty, Paul, that's just nasty.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going to have you out here in a second.
FOSTER: Clint and Paul keep it light, but ironworking is now joke. So right now with the fourth pin out, this entire piece of track, this huge piece is totally cantilevered on just these bolts here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come in the basket with me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ooh, oh, oh! What are you doing, dude?
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KING: Danny Foster, how did you come to host "Build It Bigger"?
FOSTER: Thanks for picking that clip, Larry.
I got the job actually by answering an ad on the Internet. I was in grad school about a year and a half and finishing my masters in architecture, procrastinating and not wanting to finish my thesis. There was an ad, you like big buildings, you like big architecture, send us a tape. Three minute tape later, about three weeks after that, I've been an airplane to South Korea, Russia, Malaysia and Finland, and China for the past year.
KING: Are you the host and do you go up in the apparatus or just host?
FOSTER: I am the host and that's what makes the show different. I don't go and sort of point and talk about stuff, as you can see, we actually get up on top of the stuff because to understand how amazing Paul is, you get a sense if you see me panicking up there that what Paul's doing is out of the ordinary and that he is sort of a breed above.
KING: Paul, why do you do this?
PAUL DILLARD, IRONWORKER: I think I just love the adrenalin rush, I love the camaraderie between my fellow workers. I mean, we depend on each other for our lives. It's just a close bond that we have, but I just, I love the rush. It's just something I feed off of.
KING: I guess -- is building a roller coaster a specialty?
DILLARD: You can't have a fear of heights. A specialty? Not really. I believe any ironworker, all of my union ironworker brothers could do the same thing that I was doing there. We're all skilled at working at high altitudes.
KING: What's the most dangerous part, Paul, falling, a fear of falling?
DILLARD: It's -- the fear of falling, you forget about that after awhile. You know, you have to, in order to do your job. You have to just put that on the back burner.
And just focus on the task at hand, and before you know it, it's just like you're walking on the sidewalk after awhile.
KING: well, you guys are amazing. I wish we had more time. We're going to do a whole new show on this because the breaking news story cut down all this time. We appreciate both of you. You're just ...
KING: You guys are amazing, I wish we had more time. We're going to devote a lot more - we're going to do a whole new show on this because obviously breaking news story cut down all this time. We appreciate both of you.
Up next a guy who runs when he sees a storm brewing on the horizon but he runs toward the danger, and another man who goes out on a lot of limbs to do his job. Don't go away.
KING: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE. We're sorry for such limited time. We had planned a whole show with longer segments devoted to this. So our final guest in Los Angeles, Sean Casey, he's a storm chaser, an extreme filmmaker and IMAX cinematographer. In Seattle a timber cutter and that's rated the second most dangerous profession. What do you mean by storm chasing, Sean?
SEAN CASEY, STORM CHASER: We're actually going into tornados. We have an actual tank that we drive into the path of tornados.
KING: For filming?
CASEY: Yeah, our idea is to make an IMAX film like no other and be as close as possible. Because it's one thing to film with a telephoto lens a couple miles away. It's quite a thing to have a wide angle lens and be right there in front of it.
KING: Scary, huh?
KING: Aaron, timber cutting, how did you get into that?
AARON ABRAHAMS, TIMBER CUTTER: My father was a timber cutter. It's kind of a popular profession where I grow up and I always wanted to be one.
KING: And what constitutes the danger?
ABRAHAMS: Falling trees and running chainsaws, Larry.
KING: So you can get killed by a chainsaw, can't you?
ABRAHAMS: Yeah, you can get killed by most things around you out there.
KING: Have you come close, have trees fallen close to you?
ABRAHAMS: Yeah, trees have fallen close to me. Trees have fallen on me.
KING: Why do you do it?
ABRAHAMS: I started it because a lot of people told me not to, and I keep doing it because I love it. I can't imagine doing any other job in the world.
KING: Is it well paid?
ABRAHAMS: I make an OK living. Not the greatest, but there's a lot more than money involved.
KING: Why do you want to go into a tornado, Sean?
CASEY: I want to go into a tornado because I want to get a shot that's never been gotten before, and that's a tornado coming directly at us, and impacting us, our vehicle and camera.
KING: Have you gotten that?
CASEY: Not yet.
KING: Have you come close?
CASEY: We've been inside seven tornados already but not the right one. So we're going ...
KING: Did you get tossed around?
CASEY: No, but that vehicle starts to make a lot of interesting sounds when you get pelted by all that debris.
KING: I wonder why you wouldn't get tossed around since it's swirling.
CASEY: Well, we don't go into violent tornados. If we went into an F5 tornado we'd be picked up and deposited on the next county over. We stick to tornadoes that have wind speeds of less than 150 miles an hour.
KING: Is the bigger the tree the harder the job, Aaron?
ABRAHAMS: Sometimes, Larry. It just depends. Bigger trees you stand in one spot for longer, smaller trees you have to be kind of a track star and be moving all the time. Things that constitute danger are bad ground, things that have been blown by the wind and they're scattered around all different directions and they get bound up and their dangerous. All kinds of different things.
KING: What do you make of these guys, Dog?
CHAPMAN: They're both as brave as can be. Storm chaser, he's in a tank, brother, sitting in the tank and like I can only go in if there's 150 mile-an-hour wind and it's creepy.
CHAPMAN: He's crazy. Paul is outrunning the timber is falls, all of these jobs pay a little bit and I think a lot of people say well you make a lot of money, dangerous jobs but it's not really that. I think it's the payoff is the heart, the job, the satisfaction of getting something dangerous done.
KING: Thank you very much. Continued good luck. Get that one you want.
CASEY: We'll get that shot.
KING: And we're going to do a lot more as we promised. Thanks, Dog for sitting in.
CHAPMAN: Thank you, sir.
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