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U.S. Sovereignty Under Siege?; Supreme Court Hears Illegal Alien Death Row Case; Boy, 11, Saves Girl from Molester

Aired October 10, 2007 - 19:00:00   ET


GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, our nation`s sovereignty under fire. I`ve been telling you about the growing new threat of Mex- ameri-canada. Well, now Mexico`s former president is saying it loud and clear.

VICENTE FOX, FORMER MEXICAN PRESIDENT: What we propose together, President Bush and myself, it`s a trade union for all of the Americas.

BECK: Is anyone paying attention?

Plus, could an illegal alien on Death Row for the rape and murder of two teenage girls soon walk free, all because of a new legal loophole?

I`ll tell you how this case could spring dozens of illegal immigrants behind bars for murder.

And we`ll sit down with best-selling author -- who also happens to be the wife of the vice president. Lynne Cheney joins me to talk about how America has changed. All this and more, tonight.


BECK: You know, hello, America. I was just going to say, you know, a lot of people will say that`s Glenn Beck, he`s talking about how the Islamic extremists are going to come and kill us.

Well, no, actually, what I`ve talked to you about is a perfect storm. Our country is under attack. And tonight`s enemy that I want to talk to you about is coming from within, and this is the most dangerous kind.

I have been saying since 9/11 that America can only truly be defeated if we crumble from inside. Nobody -- nobody seems to want to believe it. Nobody seems to even want to talk about it.

For example, I`ve been telling but the DREAM Act. This is a piece of sneaky legislation that Congress has rammed into the war spending bill.

Now, the future of the national DREAM Act still undecided because a few of us are up on it. California, however, has their own state version that has passed in the legislature and now is waiting for Governor Schwarzenegger to either sign or veto. But here is where it gets good.

If he does absolutely nothing, California`s DREAM Act will become law. And illegal immigrants, almost entirely from Mexico, but I don`t care where they`re from. We`ll be rewarded with a cheaper education than your kids. That, by the way, is against the law. And they`ll also get green cards for the whole family.

So here is the point tonight. Our national sovereignty is being stolen by men who are wearing gloves so they don`t leave any fingerprints. Well, sorry, boys. Some of us have our eyes wide open. We`re witnesses. And it`s time to testify.

Here`s how I got there. All right. When it comes to this DREAM Act from California, I don`t think Governor Schwarzenegger is going to do anything. I don`t think he`s going to sign it, and he`s not going to reject it.

That way, he will be able to blame the whole thing. When it makes California`s illegal immigration problem even worse, he`ll be able to say, oh, it`s crazy, these people. No blame, no fingerprints at the scene of the crime. He`ll just point to the people in Sacramento and take credit for being tolerant. I`m an immigrant myself.

This is where our sovereignty is being stolen under the cover of night, without being able to point fingers at anybody. When nobody is looking.

You know, something else that I have been telling you, and honestly, there`s a couple of things here. First, our president has been giving our sovereignty away and selling our Constitution out. It`s a story that is happening in our Supreme Court today, and everybody has the story wrong. We have that in a second.

And then the other thing that -- I don`t want to be the guy on TV that tells you this. I mean, it makes me feel -- makes me feel like Ron Paul, mayor of Crazytown. It does.

There is an international plan to make the Americas into a European- style government, trade and monetarily. OK? Anytime anybody suggests that, they`re laughed at; they`re ridiculed; they`re made fun of. I get it. I didn`t want to believe this stuff, but I did my homework.

You don`t have to do a lot of homework this week. All you have to do is watch "LARRY KING". I don`t know if you saw president -- ex-president-- Vicente Fox from Mexico on "LARRY KING". Watch this.


FOX: What we proposed together, President Bush and myself, it`s ALCA, which is a trade union for all of the Americas. And everything was running fluently until Hugo Chavez came, and he decided to isolate himself. He decided to combat the idea and destroy the idea...

LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Like the euro dollar, you mean?

FOX: Look, that would be long, long term. I think the process is to go first step into a trade agreement. And then further on a new vision like we`re trying to do with NAFTA.


BECK: Tonight here is what you need to know.

El Presidente, America will never beg Mexico for anything. We`re Americans. We don`t answer to Mexico`s president or even our own, quite frankly. I`ve read the Constitution. Our president answers to us. And I, for one, do not want anything from Mexico, except maybe the occasional trip to Cancun.

We must recognize the pattern of deceit. First there was NAFTA. Then the proposed NAFTA super highway that doesn`t exist. Then the talk of a unified North American currency. Then an immigration bill that was defeated. Yet they`re sneaking it in pieces, called the DREAM Act, in the cover of darkness. No mas (ph).

Our forefathers didn`t fight and die to build this country to have it sold to the highest bidder or closest neighbor. To paraphrase a cranky old neighbor I had when I was a kid, "Hey, Mexico, get the hell out of my yard."

Jerry Corsi is the author of "Late Great USA and The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada".

Jerry, first of all, tell me what ALCA is that he was talking about.

JEROME CORSI, AUTHOR, "LATE GREAT USA": ALCA is the name in Spanish for the Free Trade Act of the Americas. This was, just like Vicente Fox said, a plan that George Bush and Vicente Fox had to extend NAFTA all through South America to the tip of Argentina.

And if it hadn`t been for Hugo Chavez, just like Vicente Fox said, George Bush would have rammed this through, and we`d now be in a western hemisphere market, extending NAFTA south.

BECK: OK. Now, we didn`t play -- and you know what? Let me just ask upstairs if we can include this in our newsletter. I`ve got to take some clips from this, because if you miss this interview, it was -- it was fascinating in how telling it really, truly was.

You missed where he said it`s going to be the crushing debt. You`re going to be begging for a new currency.

CORSI: Exactly.

BECK: I mean, if anybody hasn`t said before, why are we spending all this money? We know there`s problems. How is Hillary Clinton saying all of these things that, you know, we should give away this and we should have universal health care?

President Fox explained it. You`ll have a crushing debt, and you`ll beg for a new currency.

CORSI: And Fox was very clear that this is a plan that he and George Bush have concocted together and that it was going to lead -- I mean, Larry King asked directly, like the euro dollar? And Vicente Fox said, oh, yes, long-term that`s where we`re going.

And then he proceeded to say the plan was to evolve NAFTA. I mean, I thought -- I thought this was exactly the thesis of the book that I`ve written.

BECK: OK. Jerry, hang on real quick, because I want to make sure that I cover this one question, because the question that was posed was a South American currency.


BECK: Tell me why that answer -- the question does not match this answer.

CORSI: Well, the question was would there be a currency for Latin America, common currency? Vicente Fox took that immediately, and he said long-term.

He went straight to this Free Trade Act of the North Americas and said it was the extension of NAFTA. Then he wrapped it back around, when asked about the euro dollar, and said it was always the plan in NAFTA in order to get a common currency.

BECK: Jerry, thank you very much.

We all know that there is a problem. But what can we the people actually do about it?

Congressman Ted Poe is a Republican from Texas.

Congressman, I have to thank you, first of all, for being on the program on the radio show today. One of the most honest and frank conversations I think I`ve had with anybody in Congress. So thank you for that.

REP. TED POE (R), TEXAS: You`re more than welcome.

BECK: We were talking about our sovereignty on another issue that we`re covering here in about five minutes, being sold out from underneath us.

But when you look, our Constitution, our sovereignty is being torpedoed from every single direction. You have, obviously, the desire for some to have a united currency here in America.

You have our borders being subverted by our own people in Congress and the president of the United States. We have the Supreme Court now looking at the possibility of making our Constitution secondary to international law.

And these are just the stories that we know about. For the love of Pete, congressman, who is watching the store and defending our Constitution?

POE: Well, really it`s the responsibility of Congress to do that. Obviously, as you said, we are being attacked on many different fronts, many of them internally on weakening the sovereignty of the Constitution. And Congress has a responsibility to make sure that other agencies do not attack it. It`s separation of powers.

We have to make sure the judicial branch is protected even from our own executive branch. That`s just one example, the case that we heard this morning before the Supreme Court.

BECK: You know, I talked to you today, but I just had a couple of secessionists on with me last week. And they don`t agree on anything, on anything except we should dissolve the Constitution, because it`s gone too far down the river. And I think that`s crazy talk.

However, I just saw a new poll today. In Vermont, 8 percent of the people of Vermont say that we should secede, and it would be a good thing for Vermont. That was two years ago.

Today it`s 14 percent. That`s a pretty significant rise in talk of secession from the United States of America.

Do the people in Congress, the people in the White House, do any of these politicians get it?

POE: Well, I can`t speak for really anybody else, but Congress needs to understand that the American public, regardless of their political beliefs, are very frustrated.

They want the Constitution to be the supreme law of the land. And they don`t -- they don`t think that the Constitution is being upheld, either by Congress or the judicial branch or even the executive branch. That`s why they are frustrated.

And Congress has a responsibility to make sure that the law of the land, the Constitution, is upheld by all three branches of government.

BECK: We just have a few seconds left. I`m sorry that we`ve run out of time. Real quick, you`re one of the good guys, trying to fight for Ramos and Compean in getting them out. You`ve passed a bill in the house to cut the funding for their prison time.

Is it going to go into the Senate? Is there a chance of this being carried in the Senate?

POE: We think so. It passed the House of Representatives overwhelmingly by voice vote. Bipartisan. It`s now before the Senate. Defund the prison authority, not allow them to have any taxpayer funds to keep these two guys incarcerated. And if it passes, they`ll have to be released.

BECK: Congressman, thank you very much. Thanks for all your hard work and watching our Constitution at night.

Now, border agents Ramos and Compean and Gilmer -- Gilmer Hernandez continue to serve their decade-long sentences. I believe they`re no less than America`s first political prisoners. I can`t believe that we`re -- that we`re at the point where I have to ask you to help protect these guys from their own government.

It just goes to show you our Founding Fathers were right. We, the people.

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All right. Let`s find out where I`m wrong, where you disagree. Our national sovereignty is being stolen. If we don`t act now, America will soon be called Mex-ameri-canada. Agree or disagree?

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Coming up, the U.S. Constitution always trumps international treaties. Right? Wrong. I`ll explain as we continue our coverage of the case of convicted killer and rapist Jose Medellin.

Also, Vice President Dick Cheney`s wife, Lynne, is going to stop by, talk about how upside down this country has become. What is life like in America today?

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BECK: Well, for the last couple of days I`ve been keeping you updated on the case of Jose Medellin. Now, this is a confessed gang rapist and murderer who`s sentenced to death in Texas 13 years ago.

After he confessed to being the leader of a gang who brutally raped and strangled two young girls, an American jury found him guilty, only to have an international court demand that George Bush and the American government stop the execution.

The court said that Medellin`s rights were violated because he didn`t have a chance to speak to the Mexican consulate. To be fair, President Bush was only responding to an international treaty from the 1960s that Mexico`s all bent out of shape for.

And still, the president went ahead. He can`t avoid having some responsibility in this nightmare, and wait until you see what a nightmare this is.

Supreme Court heard arguments on this case today, nearly 90 minutes` worth. They were actually being asked to overturn Medellin`s conviction.

What does this all mean? It`s less about Medellin than what else is going on. Foreign inmates who have been tried and convicted may not have access to their consulates. Oh, my goodness.

Now foreign governments are going to tell us how we need to treat criminals who raped and murdered American citizens. And it goes deeper than that.

Sadly, the American mainstream media won`t even give you this much of the story. But trust me when I tell you the nightmare is just beginning.

Mark Smith is a constitutional attorney. He is with us.

Mark, this is really not about this murderer as much as it is a back door into our Constitution, isn`t it?

MARK SMITH, ATTORNEY: That`s correct. I mean, what we have here is a foreign court, based in the Hague in Europe, is essentially telling the state of Texas, specifically Texas judges, how Texas should administer justice.

And this to me is simply a wolf in sheep`s clothing, because once you say that a European court can tell any American court what to do, then when -- how long is it going to be before a European court says hey, the death penalty violates international norms.

BECK: Right.

SMITH: And you American courts cannot apply the death penalty any more?

BECK: You lose everything. You could lose the Second Amendment because you can say the U.N. says no guns, and you`re in violation of international law.

So what this case means is, if the United States Supreme Court, which it could rule this way, it would mean that the Constitution is under international law.

But that`s only the beginning of the nightmare, gang. If they rule the other way, what does it mean?

SMITH: Well, I think the reality is that, unfortunately, there`s going to be five votes in favor of upholding the international court`s jurisdiction here, because you have four judges who are totally against the death penalty, and it doesn`t matter what the facts are. They`re going to vote against the death penalty here. Four judges that are -- you know, will basically be for the death penalty.

And then you have Justice Kennedy in the middle. Justice Kennedy has repeatedly cited, favorably, foreign precedents and foreign law. He`s the swing vote on this case.


SMITH: I have very little doubt that he`s going to come out in favor of international law. And that is going to be a problem for the American Constitution, Glenn.

BECK: All right. OK. So you`ve got the American Constitution over here. But if they do by chance rule the other way, doesn`t it break the back of the federal government?

Doesn`t it almost make our Constitution into -- into the Articles of Confederation, where a state could say, "We`re not honoring that treaty. We`re not doing that treaty. We`re not going to hold to that one. That`s the president saying it"?

SMITH: No, I don`t think that`s necessarily the case, Glenn, because bear in mind that when the Vienna Convention, the treaty that we`re talking about, was enacted, it was enacted in 1963.

When it was enacted, the idea was that foreign policy of the United States was to be carried out by the president of the United States and not by any states or any courts.

What we have here, Glenn, is that, essentially, courts are trying to carry out foreign policy, and that`s not what the 1963 convention was about. It`s essentially saying that the president of the United States wants to carry out a foreign policy, the president can.


SMITH: And nothing about what the Supreme Court could rule will affect the fact that the president is our foreign policy boss.

BECK: Why can we not declare this treaty unconstitutional? If I can`t put little baby Jesus into a courthouse square because it`s unconstitutional, why can`t the Supreme Court say, "You can`t sign any federal -- any international treaties that destroy the Constitution. It`s unconstitutional"?

SMITH: That`s right. I think what you can see and what the Supreme Court could do is to say, look, the Texas courts are sort of their own sovereign unit; and therefore, it`s inappropriate for the president of the United States to essentially over -- overstep his bounds in telling them what to do.

So I think you could see the court come out and say, hey, there`s no jurisdiction by this foreign court in the state of Texas, Texas courts can just simply blow it off.

BECK: But real quick. I`ve only got about ten seconds. You say it`s going to go the other way, don`t you?

SMITH: I fear that it`s going to go 5-4 in favor of the internationalists, because of Justice Kennedy and the swing vote.


Coming up, an 11-year-old boy stops a 61-year-old man from molesting a child. Man, our country`s going to hell in a hand basket. Proof, though - - good news -- heroes come in all shapes and sizes.

Also, somehow I passed Secret Service clearance, because Lynne Cheney -- yes, the one that`s married to the vice president, and author of the new book "Blue Skies, No Fences" -- will be here in just a few minutes.


BECK: Well, anytime that a dangerous pedophile is caught, we should celebrate and congratulate the hero who helped get that sexual dirt-bag off the street.

But when the hero is a kid himself, that kid deserves even more credit. Eleven-year-old David Silva was on vacation at Disney World with his family when he spotted this creepy guy who looked suspicious. He told his dad about it, and they both kept an eye on this guy, who eventually did try to molest a little girl.

Due to David, the little kid`s, quick thinking, and the swift action of authorities, David saved the day and an innocent little girl.

Joining me now is the hero himself, David Silva, and his father, Dave.

First of all, Dave, can you -- can you tell me exactly what happened?

DAVE SILVA, FATHER: Well, he approached my daughter and her friend at the slide with Dave there behind. He didn`t realize Dave was watching my daughter. And he was asking her strange questions like, "Where are your parents? Can you point them out to me?"

And Dave alerted me. So he kept an eye on him.

BECK: So hang on. David, why did that seem weird to you? What was it that -- that made you say this isn`t right?

DAVID SILVA, SPOTTED CHILD MOLESTER: The questions he was asking her.

BECK: I`m sorry? What was it?

DAVID SILVA: The questions he was asking her.

BECK: OK. Have you and your dad sat down and talked about people like this? Or how do you know about people like this?

DAVID SILVA: I just knew that it wasn`t right.

BECK: OK. And so you went to your dad, and then Dave, what happened there?

DAVE SILVA: Well, we kept an eye on him for about an hour. I knew something wasn`t right. Those questions, you know, "Can you point your parents out to me," that kind of did it for me.

We watched him for about an hour. And we were leaving the pool area, and we saw him on the beach. Well, before we saw him on the beach, we said to ourselves, "We should go tell the lifeguards keep an eye on this guy," because as we were watching him no kids came up to him, no parents. He didn`t seem to be with anybody. He just seemed to be focusing his attention on the kids.

And as we were leaving the pool area earlier, he`d looked at my daughter and her little friend in a really sick way. And I knew something was up.

And we saw him on the beach. We said, "Let`s keep an eye on him." So we let my daughter play on the slides right there. And after about two, three minutes he started walking behind the building with a little girl behind him.

We still kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt, but I was scared to death. Something was holding us there on that beach, telling us not to leave. And I was afraid that he was going to abduct this girl.

So what we did is we ended up walking behind, and I stood in the walkway and asked Dave to go to the top of the hill and see. My first fear was that he was going to be walking away with this girl and bringing her to a car or abducting her. What Dave saw was bad, too, but at least the girl went home with her family that night.

BECK: Dave, any regrets on having your son go up and him being the one to see what he saw?

DAVE SILVA: Well, I had a choice, leave my daughter down on the walkway with him or have him go 25 feet up the hill, where I could still -- I was right there with him.

I never expected him to see something like this. I thought maybe he`d be seeing the little girl being pulled away, and then I would have jumped into action.

BECK: And he was videotaping what he was doing to the little girl. And he`s in jail now. He`s got an arrest record a mile long. He had a gun in the car, et cetera, et cetera.

And you have not been deposed, either of you, yet, right? You`ll testify against him coming up?

DAVE SILVA: In two weeks we`re supposed to be giving our depositions to the prosecutor and the defense attorney. The trial is supposed to go into November, but it will probably be sometime in `08.

BECK: David, go play baseball. Go be a kid for a while. Sorry this happened to you. But good job on keeping your family safe.

And Dave, you`ve raised a good, smart kid.


BECK: Coming up next, would a good person to lecture students about legal ethics be a disbarred lawyer who aided and assisted her terrorist clientele? Yes, one university says yes, sure. I`ll tell but it next in "The Real Story".


BECK: Well, her husband is the second most powerful person in the free world. Let`s be honest, this is an interview I don`t really want to mess up. There are people with guns behind the fake billboard. My sit- down with Lynne Cheney here in just a second.

But first, welcome to "The Real Story." If you saw last night`s show, I have to apologize that I`m going to bring this back so soon, but it`s time now for part two of America`s favorite new game show called "Name That Criminal."

Yes, that`s right. Last night`s contestant guessed right on Sandy Berger. I`m sorry, but tonight we`re going to have to make things a little bit tougher for you. Here`s clue number one. As an attorney, this person made a living defending, shall we say, unpopular criminals. One of her more famous clients was a terrorist who carried out attacks against the World Trade Center.

Clue number two, after defending this client so well that he actually got a life sentence in prison, our mystery criminal decided to break federal law by helping him transmit messages to his fellow terrorists overseas, messages that could have gotten thousands of people killed.

Clue number three, this person reportedly won a major contribution to her defense fund from Mr. himself, George Soros, through his Open Society Institute. And your final clue, America, after being convicted of providing material support to terrorists, disbarred and sentenced to 28 months in prison, our mystery criminal is now one of the featured speakers at next week`s Hofstra Legal Ethics Conference. Yes, legal ethics. Legal ethics.

Well, if you don`t know her name, you probably remember her face. Here it is. Oh, yes, sexy, she is. Our mystery criminal today is none other than disbarred, disgraced, convicted felon, former attorney Lynne Stewart. So there you go. Stop the music. Are you tonight`s big terror winner?

Sorry, sorry, we`re all losers in America, because the "Real Story" is, once again, our country has been hijacked by the institutions who put the rights of radical activists above the responsibility to provide a fair education. Lynne Stewart is a woman who defends her support of terrorists by saying, and I quote, "By whose definition is a group designated terrorists?"

I don`t know. Call me crazy. I say we draw the line at people who try to kill Americans by blowing up buildings. But maybe that`s just me, I`m thinking out loud here. This is a woman, during her trial, she said, and I quote again, "Institutions which perpetuate capitalism and institutions of government have to be attacked," end quote.

And finally, this is a woman who is now being paraded out at a university as if she has some sort of insight to offer as to where the line of ethics really is. I`ve got news for you, Hofstra: Unremorseful, socialist criminals who can`t even define what a terrorist is knows as much about ethics as you and the rest of your universities seem to know about common sense.

Monroe Freedman is a professor of law at Hofstra University. He`s also a speaker at their upcoming conference.

Monroe, her session on lawyering on the edge makes about as much sense as having a conference with Jeffrey Dahmer and saying that his stance on little Laotian boys is on the edge, as well. The heads are in the freezer. She`s way over the edge.

MONROE FREEDMAN, HOFSTRA LAW SCHOOL: Are you asking me for a comment on that?

BECK: No. Yes, of course, I`m asking you for a comment on that.

FREEDMAN: I didn`t hear the question, the question mark. Yes, Lynne Stewart is speaking at a conference at Hofstra University Law School. The conference is on "Lawyering at the Edge." Implicit in that is that a lawyer can go over the edge.

Lynne Stewart was invited to speak as a caution to our students of the lawyer who over-identifies with a client and who loses herself. Lynne Stewart was disbarred. She was convicted. She was sentenced to over two years in prison. I can tell you, I don`t have a single student who says, "I can`t wait to get my law degree so I can emulate Lynne Stewart and get myself disbarred and convicted."

What they realize from seeing in real life somebody who over- identified with her client and went over the edge is what they have to be careful of.

BECK: Yes. We have -- excuse me, sir. I`m sorry. I know I didn`t hear the period there. But you`ve got Ron Kuby who is speaking, as well. He`s a devout socialist. You have Gerald Lefcourt. He is another of Stewart`s most vocal defenders. You also have -- I believe his name is Michael Tigar.

FREEDMAN: Michael Tigar.

BECK: Yes, who also represented her. I mean, this is like a symposium on how to not kill Jews with Mengele, Hitler and Ahmadinejad. Sorry, is this like a symposium on how not to kill Jews by Hitler, Mengele, and Ahmadinejad?

FREEDMAN: No, that`s preposterous.


FREEDMAN: I was the first director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council. That would never happen.

BECK: That would never happen. But this one -- no...

FREEDMAN: You`re being very silly. Let me tell you...

BECK: No, I`m not being silly, sir.

FREEDMAN: Well, let me tell about some of our other speakers.

BECK: OK, tell me about them.

FREEDMAN: Let me tell you about -- who we invited, we tried to get from the very beginning, we tried to get members of the Justice Department, the Bush Justice Department, including the lawyer who wrote the torture memo. We have tried to get a prosecutor from Guantanamo who...

BECK: I wonder why they wouldn`t come on to your university. I just wonder why -- I mean, Columbia University did this recently when they invited the Minutemen. They practically threw the podium at the man. I wonder why you can`t get anybody but socialists and criminals to come to an American university.

FREEDMAN: Sir, we have had the most distinguished lawyers and judges in the country at Hofstra University. We are doing that again. There was a recent...


BECK: So are you saying -- are you saying that Lynne Stewart is -- let me ask you this question. Will you denounce Lynne Stewart and say that she is a criminal and what she did was an abomination to our country?

FREEDMAN: Lynne Stewart is being introduced as a lawyer...

BECK: That`s not the question, sir.

FREEDMAN: ... who went over the edge...

BECK: I`m sorry, sir. That`s not the question. Will you denounce Lynne Stewart as a criminal and what she did was an abomination to our country?

FREEDMAN: I do believe those things.

BECK: Again, would you say it?


BECK: Go ahead. I`m sorry. Go ahead. Will you say it?

FREEDMAN: Lynne Stewart -- Lynne Stewart was convicted of an abominable crime...

BECK: No, that`s not what I said.

FREEDMAN: She was disbarred.

BECK: That`s not what I asked. I know the history. I know she has been convicted. I`m asking you for a personal standpoint, sir.

FREEDMAN: I was not at that trial.


FREEDMAN: I have not read the transcripts.

BECK: So you don`t know. She might be innocent.

FREEDMAN: The case is on appeal.

BECK: It could be completely -- it could have screwed that up, because of bad, unethical attorneys maybe?

FREEDMAN: Lynne Stewart is being invited as a caution to our students of the dangers to a lawyer...

BECK: I appreciate it.

FREEDMAN: ... of over-identifying with a client.

BECK: Thank you very much, sir. And I have to tell you, I use this interview and your symposium as a caution to American parents. This is the kind of crap your kids are going to be fed in these universities. Pay attention! It`s just a caution.

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BECK: She is the author or co-author of 10 books. She is a big history buff. She is the wife of the vice president of the United States, Dick Cheney. Lynne Cheney, author of the new book, "Blue Skies, No Fences: A Memoir of Childhood and Family."

What an honor to have you here.

LYNNE CHENEY, WIFE OF VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: Well, it`s just so much fun for me to be here.

BECK: Thank you. OK, so let me -- I want to cover a lot of things in a short period of time, but let me talk a little bit about the book. You have this same kind of affinity for Wyoming that I have for Wyoming, and Montana, and Utah, and Idaho. It`s a different world; the people are different there.

CHENEY: And we were so lucky to grow up there in the `40s and `50s, which were a period of great confidence in our national life. We`d just won World War II. We`d come through the Depression, of course. And people just had great faith in the future and great hope for their own personal lives and a great concentration on children. It was a great time to grow up, in terms of having the community`s eyes on you and the community`s pride invested in you.

BECK: I can tell you that my staff says -- I just got back from Idaho. I spent the weekend in a small town in Idaho called Rexburg. And the people are different. And my staff says to me every time I come back, "You`re different. You`re calmer. You`re more at peace."

CHENEY: Oh, that`s interesting.

BECK: It`s anchoring. I think the people in the larger cities -- and especially here in New York City -- we become so cynical, so disconnected from each other, there are so many forces that are driving us apart instead of bringing us together. What could we possibly do to bring us back together?

CHENEY: Well, you know, I find good parents creating a little shelter for their children from the corrosive cynicism of the culture, from a lot of things that are going on in the culture, you know, TV shows that the kids shouldn`t get near.

When I was growing up, TV used to be a family hour, from the time it went on until the time it went off, which was about 10:00 in Casper, Wyoming. But we all watched TV together. It was a unifying family thing to do. Now, you know, you just have to be so careful if you even have it on for what the children might hear as they pass through the room.

So a lot of things have changed. The culture has become a lot less friendly to children. But good parents, I know, try to erect a little shelter from this storm for their kids and I think do a pretty good job of it.

BECK: I talk to my father. He`s 80 years old and a wise man. He has seen more than I have, just because of his age. You haven`t seen a lot more than I have, but you have seen more than I have. Do you fear for our country? Do you see the things that are coming down the pike the way we -- and if we don`t reconnect, that we just -- we won`t make this? This is a tough road to hoe.

CHENEY: Well, you know, one of the things I think people are really tired of is the constant fighting. You know, whether you see it on TV, whether you see it in debates, whatever it is, people going after each other all the time. I was so happy to be able to spend my time writing a book in which I could talk about, you know, the concerns that all of us have.

One of the pieces of wisdom I take away from my mother, who -- you know, she had a hardscrabble life. She grew up in the oil fields of Wyoming in what was basically a tent with wooden sides. She hadn`t seen a lot of the world, but she was very wise. And one of her pieces of wisdom was: People are just people, you know, that we all have differences, but that underneath it all there`s this unifying humanity that we need to pay attention to, we need to respect one another.

BECK: You know what? How do you get there? I mean, here you are, the wife of a guy who is, for a good number of people, Darth Vader.

CHENEY: I know.

BECK: I mean, he`s Darth Vader. He was loved before he got into the vice presidency. Everybody loved Dick Cheney. Now, Darth Vader.

CHENEY: So many people still love Dick Cheney.

BECK: I do.

CHENEY: The Darth Vader thing is so far removed from reality. You know, it`s not reality-based.


CHENEY: I laugh at it.

BECK: I was invited to speak to the president about, I don`t know, six weeks, eight weeks ago, and I was moved at how I could see how touched and tender he was on every soldier in America.

CHENEY: Oh, that`s really interesting.

BECK: Are there times with you and the vice president where you can feel the pain? Can you share anything on the heart side of making these decisions?

CHENEY: Well, both of us have spent time with wounded veterans recently, and every time we do that, you know, I kind of just have this little anxiety before we`d have these gatherings. And in the end, you know, I`m wrong to have that. They are just inspiring to me.

You know, you go there, and your idea is you`re supposed to be maybe providing some entertainment, some help for these people who`ve been wounded severely and defending our country. You know, their spirit is so good, and their values are so good...

BECK: It`s amazing.

CHENEY: ... and their attitude is so wonderful that it`s this reverse thing where they end up lifting your heart and lifting your spirit.

BECK: Here`s something I found out in your book that I had no idea. I guess I could just ask it this way, and then you could tell the story. Mitt Romney being a Mormon, do you think that`s a problem for some people, being a Mormon?

CHENEY: Well, it certainly shouldn`t be. I mean, I think we`ve passed a long time ago in this country the idea that people`s religion ought to be some sort of political topic.

BECK: Personalize this, and tell me the story -- I had no idea your connection.

CHENEY: Well, my father`s family was Mormon. My great-great grandmother, her name was Katurah Vaughan, was converted in Wales in 1848, which is already amazing. I mean, the church, one year after settling in Salt Lake, was in Wales proselytizing -- converted in Wales in 1848 across the ocean. She was a servant girl, never been more than a few miles from home, got on a sailing ship, crossed the ocean, went up the Mississippi up to Missouri, lost her husband, lost her child, was two years in Council Bluffs before she finally made it across to Utah.

But what grit this woman had. What determination, and what hope. You know, she was driven by the idea that she would find, as the Mormons used to say, she would find New Zion. And I loved that story. I didn`t know it growing up, because my father fell away from the church. But when I discovered it as an adult and did more research and understood it more fully, I wanted to write it down for my children. It was really the beginning of "Blue Skies."

BECK: You know, it`s really amazing, because it`s the same American spirit that we seem to have lost in many ways. And I`m so glad I know that. Thank you very much.

CHENEY: Well, it`s been terrific to be on your show. Thank you.

BECK: Lynne Cheney, author of "Blue Skies, No Fences." Back in a minute with a recap of last night`s debate. Stick around.


BECK: Well, if you`re anything like me, last night you probably spent glued to your television set watching the Republican presidential debate. For anyone keeping score at home, this was the eighth Republican debate so far this year. But what separated this one from the rest was, in this debate, it was -- well, it was in Dearborn, Michigan, and then there was Chris Matthews. He was the moderator.

Oh, oh, and I`m pretty sure Fred Thompson was there. Yes, yes, Fred Thompson was finally making his long-awaited primetime debut. And, oh, you know, the -- I mean, the anticipation of Fred Thompson making it to this debate, I compare it to the anticipation of "The Phantom Menace." Remember, when all the "Star Wars" fans who couldn`t wait for "The Phantom Menace" to come out and they were standing in line at theaters, "Oh, this is going to be so good," and then you got into the theater, and it started, and you`re like -- the question was, last night, would the same fate fall on Thompson?

Weight of the world on his shoulders, "Law & Order" star, could he handle the pressure and rise to the occasion and show the American people that he`s, indeed, truly presidential material?


CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC HOST: Who is the prime minister of Canada?




BECK: He has got my vote. And that Matthews guy, that`s an important question, let me tell you that right now.

Now, in all fairness, there is one particular Thompson gaffe that I want to show you here. A lot of people talked about it today. It was a moment where he seemingly had a loss of concentration, and it took what seemed like forever to regain his train of thought before finishing his answer. Personally, I think the critics are making something out of nothing. But, you know, you decide for yourself.


THOMPSON: We`re enjoying low inflation. We`re enjoying low unemployment. The stock market seems to be doing pretty well. I see no reason to believe we`re headed for...


BECK: This is wrong. This is wrong.


THOMPSON: An economic downturn.

MATTHEWS: Thank you, Senator.


BECK: I apologize, Fred Thompson. I apologize. I`ll get a dictionary and look up "fair." OK, that`s it for tonight. Don`t forget my free e-mail newsletter. Tomorrow, we`ll feature even more about last night`s GOP debate, including my complete analysis of Ron Paul`s implosion. You haven`t even begun to see my definition of "fair" yet. Yes, Ron Paul says Iran`s no threat to us. Read all about it in the newsletter. Sign up right now at From New York, good night, America.