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Nancy Grace

Drunk Dad Drives Wrong Way With Unrestrained 2-Year-Old in Back

Aired October 30, 2007 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, imagine driving down the interstate one evening only to encounter another car hurling itself right towards you, driver drunk, clutching a Bud Light tallboy. Back seat, the driver`s 2- year-old little girl, no car seat, not even a seatbelt. Top it off, no license, no inspection, no insurance, no legal tag. What`s worse, it`s not Daddy`s first time drunk behind the wheel.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Steven J. King is behind bars after driving the wrong way down a highway. Cops say he was drunk, with an open can of beer in the car. But it doesn`t stop there, his 2-year-old daughter also in the car, unrestrained in the back seat as her uninsured daddy drives the wrong way on route 17 in New York. Tonight, the 2-year-old is in custody of family, while her daddy is in jail.

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GRACE: And tonight, formal charges in the case of murder on Craigslist. A gorgeous young woman, a high school valedictorian turned Phi Beta Kappa college grad, answers an ad for a nanny using the highly popular Web site Craigslist, then never heard from again. Twenty-four hours later, 24-year-old Katherine Olson found in the trunk of her car in a Burnsville, Minnesota nature preserve. Tonight, we learn the facts behind formal charges that police kept secret.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Minnesota prosecutors have charged a 19-year-old man with second degree murder in the death of a woman who answered an Internet ad. Michael John Anderson is charged with second degree murder. Investigators say they found blood stains and a handgun in his home. Police say he admitted he was present when 24-year-old Katherine Ann Olson died but claims she was killed by a friend of his, who thought it would be funny. Police found her body in the trunk of her car in a park on Friday, a day after she answered an ad for a nanny posted on the Craigslist Internet site. Anderson`s bail is set at a million dollars.

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GRACE: And tonight, a nursing student, the young wife of a veteran police sergeant, vanishes into thin air, upscale Chicago suburbs. Twenty- three-year-old Stacy Peterson calls family to say she`s coming right over to help them paint, but then she`s never heard from again. Where is Stacy Peterson? And tonight, in a stunning twist, the state reopens the investigation on the same police sergeant`s ex-wife, her death ruled accidental drowning back in 2004. But was it?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What happened to 23-year-old Stacy Peterson? That`s what family and friends want to know as Illinois State Police search for answers, Peterson last seen Sunday morning by her husband, a long-time Bolingbrook police sergeant. Peterson, a pre-nursing (ph) student, apparently leaves her home to meet up with a relative, but she never makes it. Her family tries desperately to contact her with no success. Police say there are no signs of foul play.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of Peterson`s three previous wives was found dead in her bathtub back in 2004, the case ruled to be accidental, but a spokesman for a state attorney saying his office is reviewing the case with an open mind.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. First, a drunk dad races the wrong way down a high-speed highway, his 2-year-old baby girl in the back, no car seat, no seatbelt, just Daddy, baby and a Bud Light tallboy.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was September 30 after 11:00 o`clock, route 17. He lives in Downsville, New York. The guy`s name is Steven King. He`s got an open container. He has no driver`s license. He has no insurance. He`s driving the wrong way on state route 17. He`s got the wrong plates on his car. And then to top it all off, he has his 2-year-old child, a little girl, in the back seat unrestrained.

Now, state troopers notice something doesn`t seem quite right. They stop the car. Even though King refused a breathalyzer, it was obvious by the open container, the unrestrained child and the fact that they smelled alcohol, this guy was not walking the straight and narrow, so to speak. He`s being held. Eleven counts he faces. To top it all off, he was already on probation for three years for the same kind of offense, driving while intoxicated, he being held without bail.

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GRACE: You know, this isn`t just a DUI, driving under the influence. You`ve got this guy with a false tag on the back, a tag to another car, no license, no inspection, no insurance. But the big part is, he`s got his 2- year-old baby girl in the back seat, no seatbelt, no car seat, nothing, coming the wrong way down the interstate.

Out to Ed Miller with "America`s Most Wanted." What happened?

ED MILLER, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": First of all, what a cocktail we`re talking about, both drunk and stupid, stupid to have your own kid in the car with you, endangering her and everybody else on the road, and drunk. Not suspected of being drunk, drunk. Cops say he was definitely drunk.

What happened is, it`s after 11:00 o`clock at night. This child should have been in bed in the safety and warmth of her own crib. Instead, she`s out with dad somewhere, Lord only knows where. We`re assuming he`s trying to make his way home. Cops see this car going the wrong way on route 17. That`s about an hour outside of New York City. They stop the car, and that`s what they found.

GRACE: To Pat Lalama, investigative reporter. Where`s the mom?

PAT LALAMA, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Guess what, Nancy? The mother is herself in rehab. So what does that leave this little baby with? The suspect`s sister, who apparently, according to authorities, came to the scene to pick up the child. And we can only hope she`s in good hands with the aunt at this point.

GRACE: To Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. You know, DUI is one thing, but DUI with your baby girl in the back seat, no seatbelt -- not even a seatbelt, much less a car seat, unrestrained, going the wrong way down the interstate, Mike Brooks!

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Father of the year, Nancy. We`ve seen it in many cases. We see it again. This guy -- and he`s being held, but he`s not going to let him out. And he should not get out of jail, Nancy. He should never see this child ever again.

GRACE: To Pat Lalama. You said that the mom is in rehab. Do we know if that was court-ordered rehab, or where is she? Is she in Promises out in Malibu?

LALAMA: It`s hard to tell, at this point, whether the courts put her there. But Nancy, the story regarding this whole family gets better because this man -- I mean, he was arrested last August for driving while intoxicated. He was put on three years` probation. And then in November of 2006, there was a bench warrant, arrested for child endangerment. Then he gets popped this past September. There was a hearing already on the child endangerment, and he`s got another hearing coming up. But it seems like this whole family has got a litany of alcohol-related issues.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining me straight off of a death penalty win, Eleanor Dixon, veteran prosecutor, Joe Lawless out of the Philadelphia jurisdiction. Also with me, Hugo Rodriguez (ph). He is joining us out of Miami, Florida.

Eleanor, when you refuse to take a breathalyzer, what does that mean?

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: Well, that`s an automatic presumption that you are under the influence, at least in Georgia. And that`s how you can use it. So right there, you`re starting off on a bad foot.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Terry in West Virginia. Hi, Terry.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. You look wonderful.

GRACE: Well, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just wondering, does this man have any previous arrest records for DUI?

GRACE: Oh, Terry, Terry, Terry. My very first question. Hit me, Pat Lalama.

LALAMA: Absolutely. It was August of 2006, drunk driving, there again. And he got three years` probation -- no jail time, but three years` probation and a bunch of fines. And of course, you know, what does he do? He drives again with no driver`s license, no insurance. His car wasn`t even inspected. And guess what, Nancy? The plates on the car were the wrong plates. They didn`t match the car. They to some other car that they tracked to a country club. Lord knows what this man`s been involved in.

GRACE: Registered to a 1987 Ford, Mike Brooks, belonging to a country club. Now, explain to me, how does that work when you physically -- and what are the penalties when you physically take somebody else`s tag and put it on your car?

BROOKS: Well, that`s -- who knows if the car is even stolen or not? You know, and I would have run the VIN number of the car he was in to find out who that belonged it. Maybe it belonged to him, maybe it didn`t. But there are stiff penalties for doing that, for taking tags off one car, putting them onto another. Most of these charges he`s charged with right now, Nancy, are felonies.

GRACE: Take a look at the left side of your screen. You`re seeing victims of drivers just like this, victims that have lost their lives on the highways.

Joining us right now is a special guest, Glynn Birch, the president -- the national president of Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Glynn`s son lost his life to a drunk driver, his baby boy. Glynn, thank you for being with us. In this particular case, not only drunk driving, but with a 2-year-old bouncing around in the back seat.

GLYNN BIRCH, MADD NATIONAL PRES.: Yes, you know, it`s near and dear to me, as you mentioned, about my son just being 2 years old. And you`re absolutely right, the driver was drunk. But more important, he had a 2- year-old daughter sitting in the car. Do you know what I would give to have my son here today to do the right thing? And that is, of course, not to drive impaired but make sure that he`s strapped down, restrained. This is ridiculous. You know, at MADD, we receive over 17,000 calls over the whole year complaining and asking questions, Glynn, what can we do to prevent this from happening? Because we see it so often.

GRACE: And your answer?

BIRCH: My answer is, first of all, just like you asked that question, did he have prior convictions? My question is, Why didn`t the driver have an alcohol ignition interlock placed on the vehicle? And what we try to do...

GRACE: And explain -- if you would, Glynn, explain to everybody what that is.

BIRCH: An alcohol interlock is a device that`s attached to the ignition system of the car that when you -- before you start it, you have to blow into the device. If it detects alcohol, the car won`t start. It won`t start. Every child deserves a designated driver. And we want tougher laws. The laws are too weak for child endangerment. We want...

GRACE: I`ve got a question for you, Glynn. What is wrong with Congress? Why are we counting on each of all the 50 states -- and I`m not slamming the states because they`ve come a long way. But why are we waiting? What`s wrong with Congress? Why don`t they get off their duff and do something?

BIRCH: You know, we need to start at the state level. And New Mexico led the way by having a conviction...

GRACE: They certainly did.

BIRCH: ... first-time conviction, alcohol ignition interlocks. And I`ll tell you what. We`ve had three states come on this year, Arizona, Louisiana and Illinois. They now have a law that requires all convicted drunk drivers to have an alcohol ignition interlock.

We`re talking about child endangerment right now. We need to make sure that we have stronger laws dealing with child endangerment. It should be tougher penalties for a driver who is driving his child to the day care or to a movie or anywhere. It should be stricter for a drunk driver when he has a child involved in the violation.

GRACE: With us, the national president of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Glynn Birch.

Out to the lines. Debbie in Georgia. Hi, Debbie. Are you with me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What is your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I was wondering, this man has had a history of drunk driving, and now he`s caught with his kid in the car. And what -- would he possibly be able to lose custody, like they`re doing with Britney Spears, you know, wanting her to not have her visitation and custody because of her drinking? And then here we have this man drunk driving with his kid in the car. Should he be treated any better?

GRACE: You know what, Debbie? You`re exactly correct. And this isn`t his first time.

You know, what about it, Lauren Howard? Why is it that, because he`s not a celebrity, he will probably get some different type of treatment? The only reason they`ve got the baby girl somewhere else tonight is there`s no mommy to send home to. Mommy`s in rehab.

LAUREN HOWARD, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, OK, but -- and Mommy`s not the one who we`ve decided is a criminal. We`ve decided that...

GRACE: Yes, that`s not the issue.

HOWARD: Right. Exactly.

GRACE: I`m talking about him and custody.

HOWARD: OK. So why are you suggesting that he might be treated differently from a celebrity? At the end of the day, if he is regarded as an unfit parent or is a criminal and therefore an unfit parent, he will not have custody of his kid.

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GRACE: The reason I`m suggesting it is because we have not heard one word...

HOWARD: But he`s in jail.

GRACE: As I was saying, we have not heard one word from child protective services about taking custody, even temporarily, away. And that`s the first thing we heard when it came down to Spears. And I`m not saying that they`re wrong.

HOWARD: Nancy, I would be shocked if -- there`s no way that child protective services has not been called in on this case. There`s no way.

GRACE: What about it, Mike Brooks? Agree or disagree?

BROOKS: I agree, Nancy. You know, he`s locked up right now. He`s (SIC) with some relatives, but again, child protective services most likely has been called...

GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute! Were you not watching the show last night, where five investigations went down on one home over the last, I believe, four years, and nothing was done until four of the children show up high on cocaine? So you`re telling me -- you`re convinced, in your nice air-conditioned studio tonight, that child protective services is all over it and they`re going to take this kid away?

BROOKS: I didn`t say they were all over it, Nancy. I said they probably have been notified. Now, New York, they`re decent. In that particular area of Liberty, they have a decent DFACS.

GRACE: Oh!

BROOKS: But what if they don`t...

GRACE: Oh, really? You think they`re decent?

BROOKS: Well, they`re -- Nancy, they`re with a relative. The baby is with a relative right now. You got a problem with that?

GRACE: No, I...

BROOKS: OK.

GRACE: But that is a non sequitur. It doesn`t follow. No, hey...

BROOKS: OK.

GRACE: ... Brooks -- Brooks, I can see you, so you can just forget the smirks and all that. Just because the baby is with a relative tonight does not mean that child protective services has done -- uh, uh, uh! -- has done one darn thing!

BROOKS: But would you rather...

GRACE: And tonight -- no, I would like to finish, number one!

BROOKS: Please.

GRACE: And tonight, I`m calling them out because this baby should not have been in that car to start with. He should not have been on the road. Just like Glynn Birch said, this is not his first offense. And look, what if, God forbid, he meets a car coming the other way? Then it`s going to be woulda, coulda, shoulda.

BROOKS: I agree, Nancy, so -- and you know, you make a good point, I have to admit. But the relatives who he`s (SIC) with tonight, that the baby`s with tonight, if this guy has a problem, why haven`t his relatives intervened in this whole case?

GRACE: Don`t know. Don`t know.

BROOKS: OK. That`s another question.

GRACE: Don`t know. And you know, that`s another question...

BROOKS: They could pick up the phone and call DFACS, too.

GRACE: That`s another question for Lauren Howard. You know, Lauren, so often, we see family stepping back thinking, Gee, should we do an intervention? Should we call police? What should we do? Why is it that family members so often hold back instead of jumping in feet first?

HOWARD: Well, you know, that establishes the whole theory of what enabling is and how it occurs. But you know, we don`t know if this guy`s got a bad temper, if people are afraid, family members? I think strangers are more apt to really push forward than family members. You don`t know what the power struggle is. You don`t know what the sort of balance of power within the family unit is. I mean, you know, we`ve said this a million times. How do women, or how do people allow themselves to be abused in families? I mean, horrible things happen in families. This we know.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Carrie in Kentucky. Hi, Carrie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, honey. I was wanting to know, was the aunt -- was the child with the aunt when the dad supposedly picked her up?

GRACE: Was the child with the aunt when the dad picked her up? Ed Miller, where was the child before she got into the car?

MILLER: We don`t know where the child was. We know the child was with Dad when the child should have been asleep.

If I could just add one thing very quickly, Nancy? I did a story once trying to find the worst drunk driver in this country. You wouldn`t believe the competition. There are judges that will see a case in front of them, 10 times the woman has driven off the road, crashed, et cetera, et cetera, and she still gets her license back. So there`s also a problem with the judges in this country.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s hard to believe no one was killed after looking at the indictment of Steven J. King, especially considering police say King was drunk, with the stench of alcohol on his breath, glassy eyes, impaired speech, impaired motor function and failure of field sobriety tests. Cops say King was drunk when he drove down route 17 the wrong way with his unrestrained 2-year-old daughter in the back seat of the car, child seat nowhere to be found.

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GRACE: A child seat? Forget about it. She didn`t even have a seatbelt on. While he was driving drunk, clutching his tallboy Bud Light, she was bouncing around in the back seat as he was going the wrong way down the interstate.

Out to the lines. Shauna in Utah. Hi, Shauna.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Congratulations on your twins.

GRACE: Thank you, dear. I can`t wait for them to come. I cannot wait for them to come out. But I guarantee you this, I`ve already got four car seats for them, four car seats complete with snuzzler (ph). They`re not going to be bouncing around in any back seat, I can tell you that much, Shauna.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s good. I need to know, what is it going to take to get these judges, officials to get tough on drunk driving so this doesn`t happen again? This is the second one on your show that (INAUDIBLE) And here you talk, we got some of the strictest laws in the country, we still can`t get it right. What is it going to take to get action?

GRACE: You know, out to the lawyers, Eleanor Dixon, Joe Lawless, Hugo Rodriguez. Joe Lawless, you see it in court every day, like the other lawyers, why is it that judges are still soft on DUI? Is it because they`re comparing it to, for instance, murder one?

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, they`re not always soft on DUI. Most states have enacted laws that give first-time DUI offenders an opportunity to try to get treatment. I think what they should do -- and someone mentioned this earlier, I think Glynn Birch did -- is immediately, when someone is charged with DUI, whether they`re put in a diversionary program or not, there should be one of those alcohol interlock devices placed on their cars so they can`t drive...

GRACE: At the least.

LAWLESS: At the very least.

GRACE: At the very least.

LAWLESS: Now -- now, with a second offense, Steven King is going to face a mandatory jail sentence, and he`s going to have some problems. But the first thing that should be done right away for any first offender is to get an interlock device on the car regardless of the disposition.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The charges against Steven J. King stack up. According to court papers, King not only driving drunk down route 17, but wasn`t wearing a seatbelt. Neither was his 2-year-old daughter, who should have been in a child`s seat to begin with. The car also uninsured and the inspection had expired last May. The police say the license plates on the Chrysler legally belong to a 1987 Ford. King remains in Sullivan County jail without bail.

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GRACE: Also joining us tonight, a name you know very well, Dr. Joshua Perper. He is the medical examiner down in Florida, also author. Dr. Perper, for a man weighing 165 to 175, how much would it take for him to be at least .08, the legal limit?

DR. JOSHUA PERPER, BROWARD COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER: Well, this would take about -- probably about ten -- five to ten drinks.

GRACE: And of course, a tallboy is an extra large beer. To Hugo Rodriguez. It`s certainly not helping his case that the only thing he was clutching was not his baby, not his seatbelt, but his Bud Light tallboy.

HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, if he was clutching it, we`ll never know what his blood alcohol is, so we don`t know if he was over the legal limit or not. It`s unfortunate that he was in these circumstances...

GRACE: Well, wait. Doesn`t the law presume when you refuse a drug alcohol or blood alcohol test that you`re over the legal limit?

RODRIGUEZ: That`s a presumption, but I don`t know if it`s beyond a reasonable doubt. And we have no blood alcohol here.

GRACE: Eleanor, response?

DIXON: Well, state still has to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but the presumption is there.

RODRIGUEZ: Well, there`s a presumption there, but I`m not...

GRACE: Go ahead, Hugo.

RODRIGUEZ: There`s nothing to say that he was over the legal limit when he was driving, period. There`s no evidence of that.

GRACE: OK, Hugo. Other than he stunk like a beer, like a brewery, and couldn`t walk a straight line, I guess you`ve got a point.

When we come back: She answers an ad for a nanny on Craigslist Web site, her body found in her car trunk the next day. Murder charges handed down formally, and the cause of death revealed.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Minnesota prosecutors have charged a 19-year-old man, Michael John Anderson, with second-degree murder in the death of a woman who answered an Internet ad. Police found her body in the trunk of a car Friday, a day after she answered an ad for a nanny posted on the Craigslist Internet site.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Last Friday, a park worker in Savage found a purse belonging to 24-year-old Katherine Olson, the victim. Police called Olson`s number. They thought it was just a routine robbery. Olson`s roommate told police that she hadn`t been seen since Thursday morning when she left to meet someone about an ad for a nanny job that had been posted on the Internet site Craigslist.

And this quickly turned into a missing person`s case. Several agencies were involved. And police, with the help of a state patrol helicopter, eventually located Olson`s car in another park in neighboring Burnsville (ph), and Olson`s body was found in the trunk of that car.

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GRACE: Finally, we learn the cause of death, and we also learn what police wouldn`t tell us last night, the evidence they have linking this young man to the death of a high school valedictorian turned Phi Beta Kappa college grad. Straight out to Telly Mamawek, reporter with WCCO News Radio 830 AM, she was in court today. Telly, what is linking him to her murder?

TELLY MAMAWEK, REPORTER: Well, there is a lot of evidence in this case against Michael Anderson. One of the most damning pieces of evidence is a bloody towel that police found in a trash can in a park very near his home. This towel with blood on it had his name written on it with a black marker.

And also, wrapped up in this bloodied towel was the victim, Katherine Olson`s, smashed, broken cell phone. And, also, in that garbage can was her purse. Other evidence that the police have gathered include blood in the home. It is believed this is where Katherine Olson was killed inside Anderson`s parents` home.

Anderson lived with his parents in Savage, Minnesota. And the blood was in his bedroom, on his mattress, on the walls of his room, also on the stairs. There were drag marks on the stairs, bloody drag marks that police found. And, of course, the gun, the suspected murder weapon, was also found in his bedroom, and a spent shell casing.

Police say she was killed, shot once in the back with a .357 Magnum handgun. And it was that handgun that was found in his room, police say, with a spent shell casing, also.

Mike Brooks, it is a forensic avalanche.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE: Unbelievable, Nancy. It looks like they`ve got a rock solid case. You`ve got blood splatter. You`ve got the weapon. You`ve got the ballistics. I mean, they`ve got a rock solid case. But he says, oh, it was another guy that was involved with this, too, that wanted to kill her. But, no, you`ve got his name on the towel. It`s just unbelievable the case they have against him. This kid is...

GRACE: Well, you know what`s interesting, Mike, is the blood that was found on the stairs leading up the stairs, the stair itself, each stair was cleaned off, but the riser, which is the vertical part between the landing of each stair, the riser on each stair had blood on it, so he thought to clean off the stair, but didn`t clean off the risers.

BROOKS: I`ll tell you, the evidence -- and, also, his cell phone records, his e-mail, Craigslist, they just have a plethora of evidence against this guy. There`s no way he can get off.

But one thing that bothers me, Nancy, they charge him with second- degree murder, not first-degree murder. You know, what was the real motive behind this? These are questions that I would still have as an investigator.

GRACE: Well, this is something I learned, out to you, Eleanor Dixon, that in this jurisdiction, as Mike Brooks correctly points out, he`s charged with murder two. To get a murder one indictment in that jurisdiction, you`ve got to go to a grand jury. So it ain`t over yet, Eleanor.

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: No. And there`s so much evidence of planning, the fact that he was on Craigslist, asking for somebody to be a nanny, talked to her as somebody named Amy. That was the name he gave. He had a gun. All the evidence of the planning and then hiding the body afterwards, it would be a great murder one case.

GRACE: Well, also, back to reporter with WCCO News Radio 830 AM joining us, Telly Mamawek, Telly, another thing is, when police finally confronted him with all the evidence, didn`t he say, "OK, OK, OK, I was there when he was murdered, but my friend did it, he thought it would be funny"?

MAMAWEK: Yes, he did. Initially he did deny it, but then, after continued police interrogation, he admitted being there when she was killed, but, as you say, claimed it was a friend who did it. But the county attorney for Scott County, Pat Siliberto (ph), says, no, he is the only person involved in this case. No one else is implicated here.

GRACE: Joining us tonight from the "St. Paul Pioneer Press," reporter Elizabeth Mohr. Elizabeth actually visited the defendant in jail. She was also in court today.

What did you learn, Elizabeth? And thank you for being with us.

ELIZABETH MOHR, "THE PIONEER PRESS": Sure. There was a lot that came out today that we didn`t know before in the criminal complaint as far as all the forensic evidence. But as far as what I learned about the actual defendant, he was very tight-lipped. He said he`s been instructed not to talk to the media about details of the case, which makes sense.

But he was expressionless. He was emotionless throughout the entire bail hearing. And when I talked to him, he said that there are still a lot of things in the complaint that still need to be gone through. And he ended the interview, then walked away.

GRACE: When you spoke to him behind bars, what was his demeanor?

MOHR: Very calm, very collected. He wasn`t fidgety. He didn`t seem nervous. I don`t know. I mean, he could -- he didn`t seem frazzled in any way. But I have no idea what it`s like to be in jail.

GRACE: Elizabeth, did you see any signs of mental defect or mental disturbance whatsoever?

MOHR: I guess I`m not really one to determine that, but he seemed pretty normal.

GRACE: Well, did he act unusual? Was he coherent?

MOHR: Very.

GRACE: Did he make complete sentences?

MOHR: Very. Absolutely.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. Did he make complete sentences?

MOHR: Yep. Yep.

GRACE: So when he answered you, was it responsive or was it non- responsive?

MOHR: He was responsive. I would ask him a question. He would either say, "I don`t think that I can answer that question" or, you know, he would think about it for a minute and then say, "Nope," or, you know, I asked him if he`d ever been arrested before, just, "Nope," simple answer. But he was there with me. We had a conversation.

GRACE: Joining us also tonight, as you have met him earlier, Dr. Joshua Perper. Dr. Perper, using Luminol and leuco crystal violet, investigators found a lot of blood there in the home. Tell us how that works.

DR. JOSHUA PERPER, MEDICAL EXAMINER: Well, Luminol, both tests are using chemical reaction based on the iron which is present in the blood. But in this case, they had much better than that. They have real blood, which was not washed. And on this real blood, they can take even samples for DNA, so they will know for sure that the blood is belonging to the victim. In other words, not only finding the blood, but identifying it.

GRACE: To Lauren Howard, psychotherapist, Lauren, we know that she was shot in the back, but unusually her legs were bound together with some type of a red twine. What does the binding of the legs together suggest psychologically?

LAUREN HOWARD, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I think it`s very consistent with the perpetrator, alleged perpetrator, being -- suffering from sort of powerlessness. This is an entrapment. He ensnared. He captured. He drew someone into his web, if you will, and then bound them and executed them. I mean, that`s sort of the impression we`re getting here, of someone -- and as he`s being described now, with a very flat affect, emotionless, kind of one-note, and that also speaks to somebody who really lacks a sense of power.

GRACE: Interesting. Interesting. Very interesting.

Out to the lines, Katrina in Ohio, hi, Katrina.

CALLER: Hi, Nancy, I think you look so beautiful, and I wondered how you didn`t gain so much weight in your face.

GRACE: Oh, it`s because you can only see me from the ears up. If you could see the rest of me, you`d be shocked. You`ll see.

CALLER: You look beautiful. You really do. Congratulations. God bless you.

GRACE: Thank you. What`s your question, dear?

CALLER: My question is, did anybody look into the -- I guess we`re cutting out here, but did anybody look into the person that he -- like the friend, he said?

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GRACE: Oh, Katrina, Katrina -- Liz, did she say it would take two people? Right. I know. I know look into the friend that he was talking about. From what we know, Telly, there is no such friend. I think I`ve got Telly with me. Telly, are you there?

MAMAWEK: Yes, I am. Here I am. No, police do not believe that there was a friend involved at all. They do not believe that version of events. They think he did this on his own by himself.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Jewel in California. Hi, Jewel.

CALLER: Hi, Nancy, you have my respect.

GRACE: Hi. Thank you. Thank you, Jewel. What`s your question tonight?

CALLER: Since this guy has no kids and placing ad for a nanny would attract young female respondents arriving alone, doesn`t this lean towards premeditation?

GRACE: Jewel, it absolutely does. And I`m sure that`s what the state is going to be arguing when they make this case to a jury. We believe here that there will be a murder one charge coming down which will require showing intent.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The criminal complaint filed today shows cell phone calls between Anderson and Olson last Thursday, the day she went to Anderson`s Savage home for a supposed babysitting job. Anderson is charged with second-degree for killing her, leaving her body in the trunk of her car at nearby Kramer Park (ph), and dumping her purse at Warren Buffett Park (ph). Under the purse was a garbage bag containing Olson`s smashed cell phone wrapped in a bloody bath towel. The towel had Anderson`s name written on it in black marker.

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GRACE: Why would you write your name on the towel? You know, whatever reason, it`s certainly helping the police piece together the picture of what happened in this case.

Out to the lines. Arusiac in Indiana, hi, Arusiac.

CALLER: Hi, Nancy, how are you?

GRACE: I`m hanging in there, dear. What`s your question?

CALLER: My question is, has anyone checked the (INAUDIBLE) people who placed the ad in the Internet?

GRACE: Are you saying is there a possible lawsuit against them?

CALLER: Pardon me?

GRACE: Are you asking, is there a possible lawsuit against Craigslist?

CALLER: It`s not that, but if you put an ad, if somebody has to be checked and see if it`s coming in the right places, because it`s a lot of people on them, you know, Internet checking those kind of things.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. What about it, Eleanor Dixon?

DIXON: Well, I think it`s a huge enterprise and too much to check every little thing, so that might be impossible.

GRACE: And what about it, Joe Lawless, agree, disagree?

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t think there`s any cause of action. I just think it`s a warning to everyone out there, you have to be cautious when you`re doing anything on the `net.

GRACE: Hugo?

HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, they have no responsibility. You voluntarily go into the program and post your ad. But, Nancy, I just wanted to tell you that Ms. Olson`s roommate said that she spoke to a woman before she went for this babysitting job.

GRACE: And you`re trying to suggest...

RODRIGUEZ: No, I`m just trying to suggest to you that that`s what her roommate told the police.

GRACE: Hugo, we all know that the woman that she spoke to, the alleged woman, was calling herself Amy, and the phone number was the defendant`s cell -- I don`t know why you`re shaking your head no.

RODRIGUEZ: I`m not suggesting that you`re wrong. I`m just saying that her roommate said that she spoke to a woman. There may be other people involved. I`m just saying there may be other people involved. That`s all I`m saying.

GRACE: Mike Brooks, do you want to explain or do you want me to do it?

BROOKS: It`s very simple. Maybe this person, this Amy, did Anderson kind of disguise his voice to try to sound like a woman? That`s what it sounds like it is.

GRACE: It went to his cell phone.

BROOKS: Absolutely.

GRACE: They got his Internet. They looked at the computer. They found out where he had been going back and forth on Craigslist. And she also said to her roommate, which Hugo is conveniently leaving out, "Gee, this Amy really sounds strange on the phone."

So, OK, out to Alex. Alex on the lines. Hi, Alex, what`s your question, dear?

CALLER: My question is, do the parents have any responsibility? Did they see the blood? Where are the parents through all of this?

GRACE: Good question. Eleanor?

DIXON: They may have some responsibility, but it sounds like they were not in the house when it happened.

GRACE: Why would they have responsibility? This is a 19-year-old man. I mean, they`ve gotten him through school. He`s got a full-time job refueling airplanes. Glad he didn`t work on my plane. But long story short, why are you saying the parents have responsibility?

DIXON: Only if they knew and failed to give information to the police. That`s when they would.

GRACE: With that, I agree. Everybody, we`re taking your calls live, but I want to tell you about a police sergeant`s wife gone missing. Maybe you can help. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators are searching for any clues in the whereabouts of 23-year-old Stacy Peterson of Bolingbrook. She was last heard from on Sunday morning when she was supposed to do some painting at a friend`s house but never showed up. State police are handling the investigation, but Bolingbrook police are also talking to family and friends. Right now they say there are no signs of foul play.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just trying to do what we can to support the family, and hopefully she`ll come home safe and sound.

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GRACE: A police sergeant`s wife goes missing. She`s just on the phone with her family saying she`s coming over to help them paint.

Out to reporter with the "Chicago Defender" Kathy Chaney, what do we know, Kathy?

KATHY CHANEY, REPORTER: We don`t know much more at this point than we knew earlier. She went out with her husband, the sergeant of the police department in Bolingbrook, Sunday morning around 10:00. She was supposed to meet up with a friend or a relative later on that afternoon to help paint a house that she didn`t make it to that appointment.

Her family tried to contact her all day to no avail. Her husband said that he spoke with her last Sunday evening around 9:00. After that, her family was still trying to contact her, couldn`t get in touch with her. Around 4:00 Monday morning, they called the Illinois state police and reported her missing.

GRACE: Ed Miller, what more can you tell us?

ED MILLER, REPORTER, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": I spoke to Illinois state police investigators before coming on the air, so I jus wanted to make sure I can answer your questions before you even ask them. They will not say whether or not she took her car. They won`t tell me whether or not she has her purse and cell phone with her.

So we have no idea whether or not she really is making cell phone calls or whether there`s cell phone activity or whether there`s credit card use, all the questions I know you want to know or, for that matter, her car, whether or not she took her car. And we don`t know for sure whether or not the husband did receive that 9:00 p.m. phone call from her.

But then, again, he`s a cop. So if he is lying about it, I`m sure he would know that there`s a way to figure out for sure whether or not she did call him at 9:00 p.m.

GRACE: You know, to Dr. Joshua Perper, medical examiner joining us out of Florida, also author, Dr. Perper, I`m very intrigued with the other wives. I think this is either the third or fourth wife. The other wife who died by drowning in a completely dry bathtub, a completely dry bathtub. How is that possible?

PERPER: Well, it`s possible if, number one, she had some kind of medical condition, such as seizure or diabetes or heart disease, and collapsed in water. And I don`t know what was the condition of the bathtub at the time when they found her. Was there a plug in the bathtub or not? Could water go through it?

And, basically, there are a lot of other questions about her medical condition and the relationship with her husband. So, it`s possible...

GRACE: You know, putting it like that, Dr. Perper...

PERPER: Highly suspicious.

GRACE: Yes, it is suspicious, but putting it like that, the tub could have drained. Everybody, we`re talking about wife number three. The one missing is wife number four. Mike Brooks, weigh in.

BROOKS: Tell you what, Nancy, if the police department, they ought to put this guy on the box, give him a polygraph about both.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody.

A police sergeant`s wife, Stacy Peterson, vanishes into thin air. Out to the lines, Lisa in Minnesota. Hi, Lisa.

CALLER: Well, hi, Nancy!

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

CALLER: I love watching your show, though.

GRACE: Thank you.

CALLER: So why aren`t they checking in? Because they`re saying no foul play, but why not the husband? Because he`s been there four times. That last wife, the third one, died in the bathtub.

GRACE: A dry bathtub, I might add. To Ed Miller, are they? Are they checking into him? He has not been named a suspect.

MILLER: Well, not officially, of course, but, you know, there are some charges against him. He could very possibly be a rogue patrol officer, and everybody is being very careful about this. Twenty years ago, he was accused of some impropriety, fired from the police force, but then brought back.

But, obviously, the fact that state investigators are involved proves to me that the locals are a little afraid here that he might turn out to be some big embarrassment to them and that`s why they called the state in.

GRACE: With us, Ed Miller from "America`s Most Wanted," and Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI.

Let`s stop to remember Army Sergeant First Class Terry Wagoner, 28, Piedmont, South Carolina, killed, Iraq. On a second tour, awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal. Remembered for his laugh, his loyalty, nicknamed Sparky by best friends, loved coffee and making repairs. Leaves behind parents, Scott and Catherine, sisters, Angie, Tiffany, grieving widow, Kate, daughter, Diana. Terry Wagoner, American hero.

Thank you to our guests, but most of all to you, for inviting us into your home. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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